Draft Day Chat
by wilriv21 on Jun 7, 2010 11:00 AM PDT
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PrintMajor League Baseball's First-Year Player Draft starts at 7 p.m. ET, presented live by MLB Network and MLB.com.
Baseball America Jim Callis Mock Draft has the Giants selecting Yordy Cabrera with their first pick.
FanHouse Frank Pilliere Mock Draft has the Giants selecting Yordy Cabrera with their first pick.
Yordy! Yordy! Yordy!
MLB.com Scouting Report: Yordy Cabrera
Is you ready for some drafing? Some Monday Nite drafting?
What rumors have you heard? Who do you want the Giants to select?
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Christian Colon
I don’t know anything about any prospects.
The Giants don’t fare well against pitchers.
+1
My Big board: 1st round (taking into where players should be drafted otherwise Sale would be number 1)
Colon
Raunado
Harvey
Gykoro
Cole
2nd Round
Foltynewcz
Biddle
Cechini
Jaffe
Shipman
3rd Round
Jaffe
Olt
Buckel
Lewis
4th
Brian Guinn
Mitchell Taylor
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It seems to me that Ranaudo and Harvey will be gone.
I’ve also heard rumors tracing Biddle to the Brewers in the first round. I bet they take Harvey at 14 if he’s there, but I’m not sure Biddle gets to us in the second round.
Proud father of Barry Zito. As long as he keeps throwing strikes, that is.
Watched Ranaudo pitch on Saturday against UCI, and wasn’t really impressed.
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Jun 7, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Maynard, I have a delay. Was looking for voucher all weekend and FINALLY located today. Will mail ASAP. Regards, Larry.
No problem Larry. Just send it when you get a chance.
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Jun 7, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I like him but...
I can’t stand his agent.
01.19.2010
r.i.p. buster posey
Wave them home Tim Flannery, wave them home.
I think they will take either Colon or Sale (if he is still on the board)
I am not sure about Cabrera. Seems kind of old for a high school player. He will be 20 in September!
WHY IS BENGIE?!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 7, 2010 11:07 AM PDT reply actions
I’d love Sale, but I don’t think he drops to us. I think Colon’s the best pick, even though his Boras-ness could make things… interesting. Plan C. is Austin Wilson, at least in my mind. I know this draft is shallow in hitters and deep in pitching, but we really do need some lumber.
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The two Sale’s confuse me. One is supposed to go early and the other late first round, right?
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Jun 7, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Chris Sale, the pitcher, will probably be gone in the first 10 picks. The DBacks and Indians are looking at the trio of Harvey, Pomeranz and Sale. They might buck the trend and take a position player. The Astros are in love with Sale. They might take Deshields, but then the other Sale will likely go to the Jays.
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Both are supposed to go early
C Sale (LHP)-anywhere from 4-6
J Sale (OF)-anywhere from 8-11
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John Bowker: One of the 3 best OF's on the Giants roster
hmmm. I could have sworn I’d seen the latter going later.
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Jun 7, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Most people will be surprised if he makes it past the Astros
But I think it will be stunning if he makes it past 11 with the Blue Jays
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Most have Colon @ 25. Fairly surprised.
Bummed out if we don’t draft him at 25 though. Seems that we value Cabrera’s bat over any other teams out there. Yet many others are interested in Colon.
Do these draft gurus ever have anything original to say? If a player is projected to go in the high rounds, it can be assumed that he has “tools”.
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG
OT
…your boy Malcolm Glazer is 1.6 bil in the hole? ouch.
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Me too! I strongly support a strategy in which we target highly talented players, and end up selecting the best and most talented of the bunch.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
this doesn't jive with the "Giants' Way"
whereby we draft oddly proportioned players with funny names.
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Tony Wolters
From a post over at Andy Seiler’s MLBBonusBaby:
The Asst GM for the Giants came for a personal workout a week and a half ago and said if he is there at 26 they would take him. So we will see? I agree with you 2nd -3rd.
by coach33 on Jun 7, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Andy’s awesome. Can’t wait to read his opinions during and after the draft.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Jun 7, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=7172549&topic_id=8080130 – Dustin Pedroia? GIMME GIMME GIMME!
it seems like he should be able to stick at SS
if his range and arm are as legit as they say….if his bat is even half decent, he should move fast.
Isn’t everybody a lot more laid back this year? I feel the same way and it’s a nice change, but part of me misses people almost getting into fisticuffs over Beau freaking Mills.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Jun 7, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
I think it’s because the big league team is doing pretty well. Back in the dark Beau Mills days, the draft was the high point of the year.
/threatens to throw self down stairs
by scotterduder on Jun 7, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh yeah, I can see them being interested in him
A quote from that link:
“Base running: He’s a baseball rat, one who plays the game the right way, especially on the basepaths.”
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by theghostofjasonellison on Jun 7, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Is that a compliment? A baseball rat?
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Jun 7, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
conjures images of ty cobb.
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I think it's a variation of "gym rat"
Someone who is first to arrive and last to go home, does nothing but work out and try to improve all the time. I guess it means someone who lives, breathes, eats and drinks baseball. So yeah, it’s a compliment, unless the person saying that is his girlfriend, while rolling her eyes.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Well then cool. Also, rats are cool pets.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Jun 7, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
We should only draft Wolters if he agrees to re-work his batting stance. We don’t need to be spending millions on a left-handed version of the Aaron Rowand patented “poop” stance:
http://www.youtube.com/baseballamericavideo#p/u/5/3BVBv2xSfK8
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
that’s the trademarked “I’m poopin!” stance to you. the DMCA takedown notice will be on its way from his lawyers.
by wcw on Jun 7, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
For some reason I really want Drew Cisco at pick 74.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Jun 7, 2010 11:30 AM PDT reply actions
Just say no
To Yordy
"Life is like a grapefruit. Well, it's sort of orangy-yellow and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, too. Oh, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
by operation carrot on Jun 7, 2010 11:31 AM PDT reply actions
agreed
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Some high school pitcher with a dick agent is going to slide and the giants will draft him.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
ZITO!!!!!!!!
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Well if his dick has it’s own agent, he’s probably pretty special.
The Magic is inside all of us.
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Yep. I’m thinking we’re going into this like the Cardinals of last year. If a Shelby Miller type slips, we take him and worry about the signability later.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Jun 7, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
No, these days they’re calling them “Dylan Covey.”
"Row(and) will come out of this. You stay with your guys and he is one of our guys." - Bruce Bochy 05-31-10
"...and with Titanic's transverse bulkheads and watertight doors, it renders this vessel practically unsinkable." - "Shipbuilder" magazine, 1912
Chuck Norris' dick has its own agent
And its own dick.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Austin Wilson could be that guy
although he’s not a pitcher, I would like to see us break the bank for a toolsy power hitting HSer
this would be completely ok by me.
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C’mon, if there was a scout/GM that could identify the PBA at more than a 10% success ratio, he’d be a god by now.
This ain’t the football draft where you have a pretty good chance of identifying the PBA in the first few rounds. Take a look at the history of the baseball draft, even teams that use the PBA philosophy have no better success ratio than the other teams.
The best thing to do get a good mix of high-risk, high-reward prospects with steadier, high-floor, low-risk guys – and a good mix of HS kids and college guys. And don’t be afraid of taking chances on guys that appear to be very difficult to sign in the mid rounds (7 to 20).
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
I’ll give you an example. The NY Times had an article today about the first 6 picks of the 1992 draft the Yankees picked Derek Jeter at #6. The 5 guys picked in front of him were: Phil Nevin, Paul Shuey, B.J. Wallace, Jeff Hammonds, and Chad Mottola, by the Astros, Indians, Expos, O’s and Reds.
Now, are you going to tell me that those 5 other teams didn’t think they were choosing the “Best Player Available”?
You can do a similar list in almost every year the draft has been around.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Dear Giants
Please have a good draft. Me in 5 years will appreciate it mucho.
Signed,
Still a Giants Fan
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
I’d like to take Colon if he is there. If Ranaudo is there I could see the Giants taking him, but I don’t think he gets past the Sox/Twins.
I’m not sure how far Cox slides because he wants “Alvarez money” but if he gets to us I would love it.
Proud father of Barry Zito. As long as he keeps throwing strikes, that is.
cox has been hinted to not go past texas if he slides that low but i would love to have him too.
"Life is like a grapefruit. Well, it's sort of orangy-yellow and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, too. Oh, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
by operation carrot on Jun 7, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Given the number of picks Texas has I would be surprised if they went for a big bonus guy, especially with the sale going on, but they do have a history of drafting expensive guys. I’m assuming you mean their second pick, right? It seems highly unlikely that Cox gets drafted with an unprotected pick.
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yeah their second
Im hoping that there money problems lead them to pass on him. Anything that means no yordy
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by operation carrot on Jun 7, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
/their
"Life is like a grapefruit. Well, it's sort of orangy-yellow and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, too. Oh, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
by operation carrot on Jun 7, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Colon has a good chance of getting to us. The mock I made yesterday is way out of date already, but I don’t see any good fits for Colon. Maybe Tampa? Eh…
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From KLaw chat
Aaron B. (Novato, Calif.)
Does Colon have the biggest range of where he could be selected of any first-rounder?
Klaw
(3:10 PM)
No, he’s going somewhere between 10 and 17 as far as I can tell. Vitek has a wider range (9 to somewhere in the 20s), to choose one guy.
So much for my expertise haha. I guess there are no teams heavily linked to Colon, but like Grant last year someone will just pull the trigger because they like the whole package.
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the same team that selected Grant Green is talking about selecting Christian Colon this year. Go A’s!
Actually, when I mocked it, that was the only team that I saw taking Colon. I get the feeling that 10 might be a bit early. This is the first time since like 99 the A’s have picked in the top 10, I wonder if they will go high upside.
Proud father of Barry Zito. As long as he keeps throwing strikes, that is.
That Aaron B. dude is a dick
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
Tampa?
Didn’t they take a HS SS a couple years ago first overall?
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Tim Beckham
Not to be confused with successful professional athletes Gordon and David Beckham. Or successful Spice Girl Victoria Beckham.
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Gordon Beckham is suffering through one of the worst sophomore slumps we’ve ever seen – so don’t be so quick to bestow the term “succesful” on him.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
he is still a professional
for now
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Yep
But he’s still far away.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
From someone who has never watched the draft...
About what time will the Giants be picking? I have finals to studystudystudy for (2 tonight, one tomorrow morning), so I can’t spend much time on the intertubes. But I’d like to see the Giants pick live. So how fast does the draft move? It has to go faster than NFL, right?
Kevin Pucetas: well, he's not Todd Wellemeyer!
Last year was the first time I watched it. I seem to remember it was about every 5 minutes, quick at the beginning and then slowing down.
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So that’d mean 6PM PST or maybe even a little later, I suppose? That’s good news… I get off work at 5 and I have a half-hour MUNI ride back to Noe Valley.
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does Castellanos fall?
if so, he is interesting, and Sabean has telegraphed that we are willing to spend
I got the feeling our pick would be slightly early for him. Seems like most teams like Colon better than him. Not sure how he compares to Gyorko though… I’d probably prefer Castellanos but it seems as though the FO may feel differently, sounds like they’ve been seeing a lot of Gyorko lately.
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I think Colon is gone well before #24, though I’d snap him up in a second.
I like Castellanos better than Gyorko for eventual upside.
Interesting
Someone earlier mentioned SF worked out Gyorko and then another post over at Andy Seiler’s Bog mentioned SF working out Wolters so apparently the organization is thinking middle infielders? If so, why not Colon or Wolters?
I’m definitely in this boat. If there’s someone available who’s at all signable and wouldn’t be a huge reach, I’m hoping for a MI with some pop.
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Is Colon’s bat supposed to translate well with wood? i know he’s played in wood bat leagues in the past, does anyone know how well he did?
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Jun 7, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Last year when he broke his leg?
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Jun 7, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
though the critiques are that he is not fast enough to stick at SS and his bat has a limited ceiling. I’d still take him, since even at 2b nearly MLB-ready defense and a decent bat are a really valuable commodity
He’s not fast but from what I’ve heard he’s quick and good with his hands, and has a fantastic arm. You don’t need to be super fast to play the middle infield as long as you’ve got good reaction times. Case in point… Troy Tulowitzki isn’t anyone’s idea of a speedster, but he’s consistently a plus defender at short.
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Holds himself like an arrogant SOB. Looks like a real gamer. Intangibles!
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Jun 7, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
as much as i hate the guy, i’d do unspeakable things to have him instead of renturibe.
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I was referring to Colon
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by Giant among Angels on Jun 7, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
ah. well replace “unspeakable” with “bad” and “hate” with “don’t know enough about to judge” and it’s pretty much the same deal.
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scouts said the very same thing about Colon back in HS yet he continued to excel at collegiate level. Colon plays WELL ABOVE his tools. The highest compliment I can give the kid is that he is a baseball player.
he stays at SS in the majors?
if so, I am absolutely on board taking him before Castellanos, though I think his very high chance of making the majors has him picked midround.
Here’s the stats for the entire Team USA last summer. Note the HRs and slugging, and SBs from Colon, with no drop in avg or OBP. Also, note how well Tyler Holt did. If we can get Colon at #24 and Holt in round 2 or 3 it would be a coup.
Just close your eyes and imagine the top 4 hitters in our lineup at the end of 2012 being Holt, Colon, Posey, and Panda – that would be a dream come true. And the D up the middle would be way above-average. And don’t get me started on the OBP of the first 3 guys – talk about setting the table!
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Holt is a CF. Neal will be in LF, Kieschy in RF, and they’ll hit at #5 and #7, repectively. That would leave the 6th spot open for Pill or Belt (playing at 1B). We have a plan!!
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
/Sabean follows plan for 3 days before dropping it entirely when he realizes Jermaine Dye is still available.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Jun 7, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Austin Wilson por favor
"I tell him straight, 'If you're going to lead, you have to be the first to practice. You have to come in, get your work down and be prepared for practice,' " assistant coach Keith Smart said. "He needs to figure out why he is having stomach problems and he's got to watch how LeBron (James), Kobe (Bryant) and D-Wade (Dwyane Wade) work. He needs to mimic that if he wants his teammates to speak volumes about him." -Keith Smart on Motna Ellis
Fun game going on right now http://all-access.cbssports.com/player.html?code=ncaa&media=182163
College of Charleston and Coastal Carolina. Been watching this throughout work today. Been back and forth since the first. Currently tied 8-8 in the 7th.
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Jun 7, 2010 12:31 PM PDT reply actions
any interesting prospects? i know names but not really teams.
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Coastal Carolina JR OF Rico Noel
Coastal Carolina JR 3B Scott Woodward
Coastal Carolina SR C Jose Iglesias
College of Charleston SR 2B Joey Bergman
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Jun 7, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
This game has been amazing. Tied at 10. On to extra frames.
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Jun 7, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Or his other brother, Gary
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We should really go after this Harper kid.
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Cox's agent: We want..... more money
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I am curious to see what LAA’s first day will look like. A lot of early picks.
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by Giant among Angels on Jun 7, 2010 12:46 PM PDT reply actions
Quick Yordy Cabrera scouting report (pics)
Pro’s
Con’s
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Good news on Colon?
I just found this thread – good idea. I’ll post a couple of comments here that I had already posted on an older thread.
If Colon gets by the A’s at #10, then there’s a growing consensus that there’s a good chance he falls all the way to the mid-20s. Apparently, neither the Reds nor the Astros want to spend much over slot with their picks in the teens, and they’re worried that Colon will be difficult due to his ties to Boras. This may be one time when Boras’s reputation helps us?
Also, I once again have to voice my serious doubts over the Yordy Cabrera consensus i the updated mocks. I first saw that suggestion come out about 10 days ago. It’s just so much against Sabes’s MO to let it get out so early. If he really loves Cabrera, you would never see him linked to us. When you’re picking at #24 you’re too worried that somebody will swoop in and steal him from you. This looks like the standard mis-direction from the braintrust
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The Twins scare me
I could see them popping Colon.
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by Gobroks on Jun 7, 2010 1:28 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
but they’re twins…
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I saw that gif
cannot unsee
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Yeah, that would be the final bullet to dodge. But, the Twins need a lot of help with their pitching, and I can’t see them passing on one of the several highly-rated HS pitchers that are sure to be there for them.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
I'm hoping Wimmers falls to them
He seems like the perfect fit for the Twins
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If Wimmers gets past the Reds then the Twins would be a next logical choice, fingers crossed.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
I think the only way Wimmers falls past the Reds though
is if D-Mac falls. I mean Wimmers is from Cincy and has the HS BA record-over guys like Ken Griffey Jr
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Yeah, although I’ve seen Vitek connected to the Reds for the same reason – he’s a local regional guy.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Vitek is a hard guy to peg
If the Pads pass on him, I don’t see any great fits-maybe the Rangers with their unprotected pick?
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Ranaudo
I’m actually glad it looks like we’re dodging the Ranaudo bullet (fingers crossed).
Here’s an updated scouting report, from a scout I respect, that saw him pitch at UCLA this weekend. He really panned him, and it had nothing to do with his injury – pertinent quote:
Ranaudo’s arm speed was too slow to belong with some of the better high school power arms I have seen this year. He would not belong in the same conversation with pitchers like Tago, Covey, Allie, Taillon or Walker. As far as college pitchers go, he lacks the power of a Jake Thompson, the control of a Seth Rosin, or the pitch-ability of a Seth Blair
Link: http://baseballbeginnings.com/2010/06/07/anthony-ranaudo-update/#more-4239
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Jim Callis
The Callis mock that you linked to is definitely the most entertaining one I’ve seen so far. It has several names coming out of left field (no pun intended!).
The biggest surprise by far is Jake Skole going off at #15, and Boston eyeing him at #20. Now that would be a meteoric rise! This is the first time that I’ve seen his name surface anywhere in the national media. You got to admit, I was the first one to tag him as a rising sleeper – when nobody else had even heard of him.
He also has Peter Tago going at #18, and Drew Vettleson up to #28 – which are huge jumps up the board.
I can’t wait to see which prognosticator comes the closest.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 7, 2010 1:34 PM PDT reply actions
No way.
If they don’t pick somebody, they can’t teach him to swing at every pitch.
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Ouch
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Is there a huge difference between Tate and Reggie golden?
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(3:41 PM)
Tate faced better competition and had a little looser body. I saw Golden’s swing a few times last summer and all I could think was “Wendell Fairley.” I am probably light on him, but it was several disappointing looks.
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Wow, props to KLaw for even knowing who Fairley is. My (admittedly very low) opinion of him just went up a few ticks.
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That's funny...
… ’cause every time I see Brian Sabean all I can think of is “Wendell Fairely.”
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We need a poll
Hey, wilriv, why don’t you edit this thread to add a poll for our 1st rounder?
I would suggest names like Colon, Cabrera, Dylan Covey, Gyorko, Stetson Allie, and Tony Wolters, but I’m sure I’m leaving some out.
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Austin Wilson!
He’s sick but signability could be an issue, apparently he’s very enamored with Stanford.
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He'd be nice...
IF we had any track record of developing hitters.
With that said, I don’t trust the Giants developing the kid into the 5 tool superstar he’s hyped up to be.
Gotta start somewhere. As much as it’s reasonable I have trouble with the idea of avoiding good prospects because we can’t get our shit together and get them ready for the bigs.
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Or if we had even the sleightest chance of signing him, considering our budget. I would rather take the $4M + it would take to sign Wilson and use it on some high-risk, high-ceiling HS kids in the mid-round, or several international free agents next month. Wilson is just too risky to put all of our eggs in his basket.
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by a mile. if we’re willing to go over slot, i’d take wilson and give him whatever he needs to sign. if not, i’d go castellanos, unless there are whisperings that he’s going to need serious cash in order to sign. I hadn’t heard any, but then again I’m certainly not the most in-touch when it comes to the draft.
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Besides the money demands, many, including me, doubt that he’ll ever hit consistently in the pros.
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yeah you do sound really low on him. while he seems like a pretty legit prospect to me I’d defer to you on this one… you definitely know more about this than I do.
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I’m not an expert, and I’m probably wrong, but when you spend that kind of money on a HS kid, you need more than 3 possible above-average tools. IMHO, 4 is the minimum.
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I just don’t know who’s a better bet that’s likely to fall to #24.
by wcw on Jun 7, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d take Drew Vettleson, Jake Skole, Mike Lorenzen, Garin Cecchini, Tony Wolters and a few more over Castellanos at #24. All of those kids have just as good stats and upside as Casty, and they have at least 4 plus or above-average tools (many have 5).
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is Skole going to be on the board at 24? I like him, too.
by wcw on Jun 7, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe
although he floated out a price tag of ~6 mill. I think he’ll sign, but not until Aug 17 (how the hell, do I know the signing date?)
Also, if we draft him I think we should nickname Nick “The King of the Castellanos”
…like king of the castle
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It's neck-and-neck between Colon and Castellanos...
…with 1% of precinclts reporting.
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That would be precincts
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well, I just voted Colon, but I still think he goes in the teens, especially if he really does have better hands and range than Renteria already. with Colon gone, probably Castellanos, unless Wilson is both available and signable
by wcw on Jun 7, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
You’re probably right about Colon not being there at #24. However, you’re wrong about his range and hands in comparison to Rent. Colon’s range is better now that Rent’s and his hands are his #1 asset – both defensively and offensively.
He has soft and sure hands at SS – that’s why every report says “he catches everything that he ges to”. His strong and quick hands are where he generates most of his bat speed from.
The 2 big knocks against Colon are arm strength and range. I agree he has slightly below-average arm strength for a major league SS, but his pre-throw footwork make that less of an issue. I watched every play that he made in the 3 games this past weekend, and he has better than average ranged at SS due to his very quick feet and he’s so smart and intuitive that he always seems to be right where the ball is hit.
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I think I may not hate Rent’s range as much as most. he’s slipped from the days when it was a plus skill, but I still see his range as league-average, which is a lot more than Uribe can offer.
and hey, maybe Colon falls and we snag him. arm strength is nice, but if his skills are as you describe, turning him into a defense-first 2b like prime-era Mark Ellis is hardly the end of the world.
by wcw on Jun 7, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
The latest from Piliere
Word is that the D’backs would indeed take Barrett Loux over Pomeranz, but not over Chris Sale
Please, please, please Mr. Cleveland Indian, don’t take Chris Sale 1 pick ahead of the D’backs.
I want Sale to go to the Snakes, so they can be snake-bit when his arm/shoulde implodes.
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Uh-oh wilriv
You better hope that we take Wolters at #24, or that this Piliere rumor isn’t true:
More compensation round pick buzz continues to roll in. The latest involves the Atlanta Braves at 35. Word from industry sources is that they are on high school infielder, Tony Wolters in this spot
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The whole “safe”—“limited upside” thing with Colon. Tied to his power? Not flashy enough on D? Where is the love?
Monday June 7, 2010 5:26 Brett
5:26
Frankie Piliere:
Just sort of comes down to what he is right now is exactly what he’s going to be. Power isn’t going to take off and probably doesn’t have star upside.
He contradicts himself in consecutive sentences
What he is “right now” is a “star” – clearly one of the top 5 college players in the country. Not to mention a top 5 player worldwide in his age group.
Right now: he’s hit 16 HRs in 60 games - which translates to over 40 HRs in a full MLB season (154 starts)
Right now: he’s slugging .621 - which would put him on an elite level even for MLB 3rd basemen!
Right now: he’s got an OPS of 1.059 - what other MLB SS has that?
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Andy Seiler has a draft chat going on
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Mayo just said (off hand)
Maybe the Royals take Colon
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by Gobroks on Jun 7, 2010 3:14 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
KLaw says the same. I think it'd be early for him, but if he's being considered that early I doubt he makes it to us.
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If you’re the Royals GM who is your pick?
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Grandal made the most sense of the guys discussed there. I’m a Karsten Whitson fan, and I think Christian Colon makes a ton of sense for them.
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I think it's a great pick by KC
I mean they are really lacking in middle INF prospects and Colon is a legit top 10 prospect.
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by Gobroks on Jun 7, 2010 3:26 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Who'd-a-thunk it?
Remember the Pirates were heavlily criticized last year for taking BC catcher Tony Sancez at numer 4? He was described as an above average defensive guy with a good arm, but not a MLB-worthy bat. Well, just the opposite has proven true this year:
Sanchez is batting a robust .318/.423/.460 in the Florida State League (high A), showing patience and gap power. However, his defense – at times praised more than his bat entering last year’s draft – has really lagged behind. Sanchez has thrown out just 7 runners in 50 basestealing attempts, and leads the league with seven errors.
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Who knows how he hits in the majors though. Reminds me a bit of Jeremy Brown in terms of tearing up the low minors. That said, I think he does actually make it.
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Exactly
A 22 year old man OPSing at a .880-level in high A, is not that impressive to me – although it is more acceptable for a C. Brandon Belt was drafted more than 100 places behind Sanchez, is a similar age, and look what he’s doing at high A.
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No Cowart or Castellanos?
Interesting…
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by Gobroks on Jun 7, 2010 3:28 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
KG had the Marlins taking Yordy
that would make me ecstatic
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KG is a hack that only gets jazzed about the northeast and LA area teams.
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and toolsy international prospects
He loves them
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plz no.
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Hmmm
No AJ Cole in the pitchers profile?
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by Gobroks on Jun 7, 2010 3:31 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Law said he’s unlikely to go in the first.
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Really
Wow how the might have fallen. He entered the year as the 2nd best prep arm behind Taillon
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I can't see him dropping past the 1st supplemental.
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Grandal still around at 24?
Would you grab him?
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=2255
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Nah.
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Why not?
Because we already have Buster?
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That's part of it
Plus I just don’t think he’s that great of a prospect-and with Buster he doesn’t really fit with the Giants. Plus I’d be pretty surprised if he lasted past the Red Sox.
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Gird your loins...
Only about 6 more minutes until we have to put up with 3 hours of Bud Selig mangling name and words – and looking like a doofus.
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Even if Colon falls that far,
he’s got Boras for an agent.
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Who will be the 1st MLB.com analyst to criticize a pick?
My guess is that only Mayo may (he’s probably still ashamed over last year). Reynolds and Gammons – not a chance.
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Colon to KC #4
Shitfuck
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With Whitson going to the Pads
Any chance Vitek drops to us?
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