minor lines, 6/24/10
by steve S on Jun 24, 2010 10:34 PM PDT
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PrintHighlight from the Giants' farm: John Bowker homered and doubled twice--which on a night devoid of other highlights was an many XBH as the rest of the Giants farm system had combined. Also notable, Henry Sosa allowed just 2 ER in 7.0 IP.
AAA: Fresno defeated Portland 6-2
Fresno: LF : John Bowker: 3 for 5, HR, 2 2B, CS
Fresno: 2B-SS Manny Burriss: 2 for 3, 3B, SH, E
Fresno: SP Henry Sosa: 7.0 IP, 7 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 2 K
Fresno: RP Geno Espineli: 1.0 IP, 2 K
Portland: RP Aaron Poreda: 2.0 IP, 1 K
Bowker had a big game, leading off the 5th inning with his 7th HR, which was his third XBH of the game after having previously doubled twice. Burriss added a couple hits in his ninth PCL game.
Making his fourth start, Sosa pitched seven full innings with just 2 ER allowed after having pitched no more than five innings in his previous three starts. He threw 59 of 90 pitches for strikes, although he had just 2 K. Espineli had 2 K in a perfect 9th inning. Poredo, whom the White Sox drafted in the first round three years ago and included in the Jake Peavy trade last summer, had 2.0 perfect IP in his fifth PCL appearance. He had made nineteen appearances in double-A to start the year.
AA: Richmond lost to Akron 3-2
(with no runs scored over the final six innings)
Richmond: SS Brandon Crawford: 0 for 2, 3 BB, SO
Richmond: CF Clay Timpner: 2 for 4
Akron: 3B Lonnie Chisenhall: 2 for 4, E
Richmond: SP Daryl Maday: 7.2 IP, 11 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 1 BB, 4 K
Akron: SP Nick Hagadone: 3.0 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 3 BB, 7 K--2 WP
Timpner had two of the Fly Squirrels' five hits (all singles), keeping his AVG above .300. Crawford drew three walks as the only other Squirrel to reach base at least twice. He raised his OBP to .351. He has 36 BB this year, surpassing his last year's total of 30 BB about a week ago. Chisenhall is probably the Indians top prospect currently in the minors. While every Aero in the lineup had a hit, he was one of just two with multiple hits. The Aeros' eleven hits were all singles.
Maday allowed a season-high 11 H to raise his BAA above .250. He also induced four GiDPs while posting a 15/3 GO/FO line. Facing 31 batters, he ended up one batter short of pitching his first complete game of the year. Hagadone, whom the Indians acquired from the Red Sox in last summer's Victor Martinez trade, continues to rack up a lot of strikeouts but also a lot of walks and consequently a lot of runs. For the season, he has 66 K and 45 BB in 56.2 IP.
A+: San Jose lost to Modesto 7-2
San Jose: 2B Charlie Culberson: 2 for 4, SO, CS, E
San Jose: 3B Drew Biery: 2 for 3, SO
Modesto: C Jordan Pacheco: 3 for 5, HR, SO
San Jose: SP Eric Stolp: 5.0 IP, 8 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 1 BB, 3 K--1 HR
San Jose: RP Jason Stoffel: 1.0 IP, 2 K
Culberson and Biery each had two of the Giants' seven hits (with just one XBH), raising their respective AVGs to .317 and .276. Culberson also committed his 10th error. The Rockies' Pacheco, who started for the Cal League in Tuesday's all-star game, had three hits, including his 3rd HR.
Stolp appeared to have his sinker working given his 11/1 GO/FO line, but he also gave up his share of hits, leading to 4 ER in 5.0 IP. Stoffel had 2 K in a perfect 9th inning.
A-: Augusta lost to Kannapolis 4-2
Augusta: DH Nick Liles: 3 for 4, SO
Augusta: 3B Chris Dominguez: 1 for 3, BB, E
Augusta: SP Chris Heston: 5.1 IP, 8 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 2 BB, 2 K--1 HB, 1 WP
With the GreenJackets' only multi-hit line among their nine hits (all singles), Liles singled three times to raise his AVG to .315. Dominguez was the only other GreenJacket to reach base twice, while he also committed his 17th error.
Heston, who had allowed 4 ER over his previous four starts combined, allowed 4 ER in this start. His ERA is 5.43 through fourteen starts.
ssA: Salem-Keier lost to Boise 10-7
Salem-Keizer: SS Julio Izturis: 2 for 4, HBP
Salem-Keizer: LF Ryan Scoma: 3 for 4, BB, SO
Salem-Keizer: SP Edward Concepcion: 1.2 IP, 5 H, 8 R, 6 ER, 4 BB, 3 K--1 HR, 1 WP
Salem-Keizer: RP Mario Rodriguez: 3.1 IP, 1 H, 2 K
Scoma reached base four times as he had three of the Volcanoes' fourteen hits (all singles). Izturis was one of two other Volcanoes to reach base at least three times.
Concepcion was even less effective in his second start (8 R in 1.2 IP) than in his first start (5 R in 3.0 IP). Rodriguez provided effective long relief retiring ten of eleven batters. He has yet to allow a run in 8.1 IP over three appearances.
R: Giants defeated Athletics 5-4
Scottsdale: 2B Carlos Willoughby: 2 for 4, 2 SB
Scottsdale: SP Armando Paniagua: 4.0 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 0 BB, 8 K--1 WP
Scottsdale: RP Ryan Bradley: 2.0 IP, 1 BB, 5 K
Willoughby had two more hits and two more steals. He now has 6 SB in three games. All six of the rookie Giants hits were singles.
The 20-year-old Paniagua had an impressive U.S. debut with 8 K in 4.0 IP. Last summer in the DSL he had 34 K in 31.1 IP, along with a 3.73 ERA. Bradley struck out five of the seven batters he faced in his pro debut.
DSL: Giants lost to Nationals 5-2 (8.5 innings)
Dominican: 2B Alberto Robles: 2 for 4, 2 SO
Dominican: SP Ariel Hernandez: 5.0 IP, 2 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 4 BB, 5 K--1 HB
Robles (19.9 y.o.) had two of the Gigantes' four hits (all singles), raising his AVG to an even .200. In two starts this year, Hernandez (18.3 y.o.) has 9 BB in 8.0 IP, but his ERA in four total appearances is just 2.79.
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WILLOUGHBY???
Sad pornstache is sad.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
"...and is the reason 'why' really something we should be striving for?" - (guess who)
by victor frankenstein on Jun 24, 2010 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he has the "green light"
To borrow a phrase, Willoughby is a beast!
He’s been on first base 5 times in the first 3 games. He’s promptly stolen secnd base on each occasion, and then stole third base once. He’s too good for the AZL, hopefully htey promote him quickly. He would be an upgrade for the underachieving middle-infielders in Augusta
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
at the very least, he needs to be moved up to Salem at some point soon
Chris Gloor: my lefty is bigger than your lefty
by crazedcrustacean on Jun 25, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Although they have a little MI crunch at the moment with Jurica, Izturis, and Campbell sharing two positions.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
He raised his OBP to .351. He has 36 BB this year, surpassing his last year’s total of 30 BB about a week ago.
I like this
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"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Neal Crawford is real.
/banned for the Neal diss
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
tsk tsk tsk.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 25, 2010 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I do, too, although I’d like to see his increased discipline show up a little bit more in some correlary stats. His Iso has seen a little bump up but not as much I’d like to see with that kind of increased walk rate (.102 last year, .133 so far this year). His LD% (notoriously unreliable in minor leagues, I know) is actually dropped slightly from last year in CT and he’s still a pretty heavily ground ball hitter. In theory increased patience correspond to increased hard contact, and I’m not sure we’re seeing that this year with Brandon.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
The loss in power could just be a product of (1) bad luck and (2) the park, though if you’re comparing it to last year in CT, I guess you can’t blame the park too much. If you look at Fred Lewis’s stats from 2008 – 2009, he upped his BB% from 9.8 to 10.7%, but saw his iso drop from .158 to .132. His iso is up to .173 this year.
I’m pretty worried about him not being able to make adjustments at the big-league level, I think it’ll be a bit ugly when (if) he first comes up, and I am a little worried about his lost power, but his BB% increase this year is a good sign.
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Adopted parent of good old Wendell, he tries so hard. You'll get a hit someday son!
by theghostofjasonellison on Jun 25, 2010 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I’d agree with all of that (except maybe using Fred Lewis as a comp — his development track was also so bizarre that he may just be a sui generis). Hopefully another leap in development will come next year in Fresno, although of course, there’ll be no way of knowing what those numbers mean, since anybody who can pitch is in the majors.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
I'm not worried about his lack of power
He’s never going to make a living as a power hitter in the majors, so I’m kind of glad that he’s not hitting for much power now. Hopefully this will make him accept the fact that he’s not a power hitter, and make him concentrate on making consistent line-drive contact and working the count to get more BBs. His glove and his OBP are going to be what keeps him in the majors – if he does make it.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
To me his power was the only thing that boosted him above Adrianza, though. If he’s going to be a .370 SLG shortstop, then I’ll boost Adrianza over him in the depth chart in my mind. If he’s going to hit .240 with a decent OBP and 12-15 HRs a year, he’s a lot more interesting prospect in my mind.
Strangely (and I say this with almost no understanding of how MLEs are calculated), minorleaguesplits currently has his MLE this season as .195/.274/.287, while his MLE from his time in the EL in 2009 was .217/.244/.301. Given that he’s repeating a league that he’s not young for, you’d like to see a little more improvement than that.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
Partly that’s BABIP: His was .332 last year, .294 this year. If you click the “neutralize luck” button on minorleaguesplits, Crawford’s OPS goes from 669 last year to 780 this year.
Aha. Thanks Evan.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
Adrianza
You have a much higher regard for Adrianza’s bat than I do. I know somebody posted yesterday how relatively great a slugging % Adrianza has this year, but if you analyze the internals you’ll see that any success he’s having this year with the bat is entrely attributed to the “Cal League Effect.”
At home this year (SJ Stadium is one of the few “fair” parks in the league) Adrianza’s slash line is: .236/.344/.282/.626 – with a K-rate of over 20% in 118 ABs. You’ll notice that his slg. is over 100 points lower at home than on the road.
Crawford’s slash in SJ last year was: 0.365/0.459/0.654/1.113 – with a K-rate of over 23% in 59 ABs.
Now, granted these are extremely SSS, and Crawford is 2.5 years older than Adrianza. However, the point I want to make is that we’ve all seen how even guady Cal League numbers get shredded in the pitcher-dominant Eastern League (as evidenced by Crawford, Neal and Kieschnick to name a few). So, I have almost no confidence that Ehire will be able to hit above .240, get on-base above .300, and slug above .300 (except for very short spurts) if he played in the Eastern League for the next 2.5 years.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Now, granted these are extremely SSS, and Crawford is 2.5 years older than Adrianza
You can really stop right there. That point trumps any other micro-comparisons for me. And 2.5 years is actually underselling it a bit. Adrianza is 2 years 8 months younger (to the day) and plays at 3 years younger seasonal age. He’s always been able to take a walk, and has time to grow, which Crawford, at 23 doesn’t so much.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
I should say, though, that your original comment is quite wrong — I have no faith in Adrianza’s bat, and if put to it I’d say I don’t think it’s very likely he’ll ever be a productive major leaguer. I do however, think, that of the two he’s slightly the more likely one to become a productive major leaguer because he has so much more time to develop. At 23.5 years of age, Crawford’s at a point where he should be more or less a finished product from a prospect perspective.
Somewhere in the archives is a long winded posted I put up three or so years ago where I actually looked at every starting player in the majors and how old they were when they got to the majors (man I must have been bored that day!), and outside of catchers who were apparently a special case, there were I think 3 guys in all of MLB who had come to majors at 25 or older and very very few who’d debuted after their 24th birthday. Crawford will be 24.3 on Opening Day 2011. The Giants do tend towards glacial development with position players (Fred Lewis has since become one of those very rare cases), but still, odds say Crawford’s chances of being a big league starter someday are very slim.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
How about Marco Scutaro as a comp? He broke into the majors at the age of 26, and that was only for a handful of at-bats. He had one good season in the minors power-wise (out of about 7), but mostly he walked a bit, kept his average around .250 – .275, and didn’t have a whole lot of power. Granted, he didn’t seem to have a partial season as brutal as Crawford’s was in Connecticut last season, but if Crawford turned into Scutaro with good defense at SS, I’d be more than happy.
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Adopted parent of good old Wendell, he tries so hard. You'll get a hit someday son!
by theghostofjasonellison on Jun 25, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, the older Scutaro anyway. He had some pretty brutal seasons in Oakland.
Also known to haunt as theghostoftravisdenker and theaccidentalghostofsergioromo.
Adopted parent of good old Wendell, he tries so hard. You'll get a hit someday son!
by theghostofjasonellison on Jun 25, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
There are examples — in Grant’s front page piece on Torres the other day he came up with Melvin Mora as the uber-example of late bloomers. But the problem of course is that outliers are, pretty much by definition, bad comps. They tell you that outliers do exist and that’s pretty much it. Trying to guess who they may be is just punchers luck, right?
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
I see Belt is still in A+.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 24, 2010 11:21 PM PDT reply actions
Any word on Zach Wheeler and his fingernail?
.277/.399/.518 out of a shortstop?!
Keep on, keepin' on, Ryan Cavan
Not to worry
Our Giants’ crack medical staff has previously assured us that he’ll be back in no more than a few weeks. What’s that you say? It’s been 37 days since he last pitched? Hmmmm, that’s puzzling. It’s not like the med staff has a history of mis-diagnosing injuries and rehab time, right?
To paraphrase Inigo Montoya from The Princess Bride" = I don’t think they know what that word means.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
His fingernail will be fine
They removed one of his ribs, so it should be taken care of now.
"I never think I’m a good player or a bad player. This is what I’m thinking: I can play. And I want to play." - Juan Uribe
by EliminateMe on Jun 25, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
According to Baggs in the Merc today
He’ll be back soon.
Wilber Bucardo: Carlos Silva with a younger brother.
That's the exact phrase they used more than 3 weeks ago
Not to mention the exact phrase they’ve used on Freddy Sanchez twice in the past year – and we all know how that ended up.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Cookyman makes me :-(
These Bowker updates just make me angry.
"Row(and) will come out of this. You stay with your guys and he is one of our guys." - Bruce Bochy 05-31-10
"...and with Titanic's transverse bulkheads and watertight doors, it renders this vessel practically unsinkable." - "Shipbuilder" magazine, 1912
Since the Brass has decided that Bowkermania isn't a major leaguer,
I hope they will turn him into something useful via trade. I mean not just compensation for Bengie Molina’s portion of the pregame spread like they did with LOLFRED.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
the way they’ve handled him hasn’t exactly increased his trade value.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 25, 2010 7:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Cameron Lamb?
So the Volcanoes have played 7 games now, and worked through their starting rotation 1.4 times, but still no sign of CamLam. Certainly he pitched well enough as a sterter in the AZL last year to deserve a spot in the starting rotation – especially when an old man bullpen-castoff like Shane Kaufman apparently is holding down one of the spots.
I swear, the moves and decisions that the Giants are making in their farm system this year (especially in the lower-levels) are not inspiring confidence.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
He’s listed as being on Salem’s roster, and I would assume he’d be in the rotation, unless he was hurt or something. Hopefully someone on here has some info regarding his status.
Chris Gloor: my lefty is bigger than your lefty
by crazedcrustacean on Jun 25, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
MIA
Now that the AZL has gotten started, and all affiliates have their rosters finalized, there are 3 MIA pitchers I’d love to know the status of: Wilbur Bucardo, Jason Jarvis, and Kelvin Marte.
Anybody have any info on any of these guys? Also, what was Craig Clark’s injury? He’s been out quite a while at this point. Did he have something season ending?
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
Franciso Peguero
Apparently whatever the injury he has/had that kept him out of the lineup for 15 days between May and June is still bothering him. He’s only been used as a DH in all 8 games since he’s returned. I can’t believe that the Giants would want to stunt his deelopment by playing Simmons in RF over Peguero.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
LOL YOU
Actually thinking he’s going to be a consistent player in the majors.
01.19.2010
r.i.p. buster posey
Wave them home Tim Flannery, wave them home.
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