Way post-game thread: In a surprising development, the Giants declined to offer run support to Matt Cain
by Grant Brisbee on Jun 19, 2010 3:51 PM PDT
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I’m glad I missed this game.
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Me too
For once comcast’s screws ups helps me out
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Grab Some Pine, Meat
Still cheering for Kevin Frandsen
John Bowker: One of the 3 best OF's on the Giants roster
*screw ups
Proud father of Mike Krukow (who is more than 3 times my age)
Grab Some Pine, Meat
Still cheering for Kevin Frandsen
John Bowker: One of the 3 best OF's on the Giants roster
at least the Dodgers lost. Wait, the Red Sox won! Fuck.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD!
mccoven diversity: Romosexuals, Velezbians, Nerb's--they're all here...
by greatgiantfan on Jun 19, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Vincente Padilla pitched for LA vs. the Red Sox
If he doesn’t get hurt, he’ll probably go vs. the Giants at AT&T.
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
The funny thing is that Grant is away
So he made this a few days ago. Probably set it to post this late in case the game goes to extra innings.
I was promised lasagna.
Missed it.
Was at the beach. In WAIKIKI, bitches. BOOYA!
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And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
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well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD!
mccoven diversity: Romosexuals, Velezbians, Nerb's--they're all here...
by greatgiantfan on Jun 19, 2010 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
With pecs.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
"...and is the reason 'why' really something we should be striving for?" - (guess who)
by victor frankenstein on Jun 19, 2010 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions
/in before Lars
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
Today in Miami
The Marlins giveaway today is Marlins Air Horn aka vuvuzela and it is noisy
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
So it’ll be like 100 fans in the stadium armed with vuvuzelas? Not impressed… :-P
by AGiantAmongMarlins on Jun 19, 2010 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions
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"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
"...and is the reason 'why' really something we should be striving for?" - (guess who)
by victor frankenstein on Jun 19, 2010 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
LA lost
on a Pedroia (he grew up a Giants fan) hit.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Giants fan or not
Still a prick
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
he did? where did he grow up?
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Wasn't that the guy we picked ahead of CC Sabathia?
Vallejo is closer to San Francisco than Woodland…
by short_shifter on Jun 19, 2010 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Re-post
Fred Lewis is becoming annoying
He is no longer passive aggressive, he is just plain aggressive.
Today:
Fred Lewis Role call for all the FAGS on my page. If you don’t delete yourself I will do it for you ok. If you have a Twitter name by these names you so GAY—-SFNando, 55Franchise Kelly McQuiggan and goldengatebias home girls get your you what off my page. Oh yeah another W today run tell that…..LOL more jealous fans(giants)
Yesterday:
Fred Lewis Attention all naysayers!!!! Get the **** off my page and go back to Twitter. If I find you lord knows what will happen. Keep it up you lame fans. Keep talking about me on Twitter and following me on Facebook. All your players hugged me and said they were happy for me even your coaches but we still got the W. How you love that???
Here apparently
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Jun 19, 2010 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Fred Lewis
All you hattin Giants fans thanks for making me better
Yesterday at 8:29pm
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Jun 19, 2010 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
The Frandsen to the rescue
Kevin Frandsen
FDOT, remember we are in the same boat the people who hate on what you say or do are jealous of the fact they have to PAY to watch you play. Only way for people to feel good about themselves is to put you down. Let them!! and continue to shove it up there ass.
Yesterday at 9:37pm · 3 people
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Jun 19, 2010 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I see this as a direct reference to Sabean. Go Franny!
Whatever Sabean thinks about the IQ of the average baseball fan, you just proved him right.
by cybermaldonado on Jun 19, 2010 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Never liked that guy
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG
by Useful_Idiot on Jun 19, 2010 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Sigh...
Having gone to Bellarmine and SJSU and played ball with Kevin, I’m disappointed to see him react this way in public view. I can’t really say I’m surprised though.
Also, I thought he would have known the difference between “there” and “their.”
Hitler was a Dodgers fan.
Not at spelling, clearly.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Jun 19, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I would doubt that the real Fred Lewis would post something like that.
Buster Posey: "I'm a catcher." Brian Sabean: "I'm an idiot."
by rxmeister on Jun 19, 2010 4:23 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm pretty sure it's the real Fred Lewis
Either it’s him or it’s somebody who has access to lots of the real Fred Lewis’s personal photos, and has people commenting pretending to know him in the real world or be related to him.
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Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
and fwiw
It looks like he’s removed that post from his Facebook page. Not to defend it at all, but apparently he thought better of it after the fact, at least.
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Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
oh dear :\
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"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Yeah, I liked him before, but if that really is him, then thank you Fred, that makes it a lot easier to not like you. I understand that you hate all the fans that tried to make you a scapegoat, but really, what was said is way over the line.
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by theghostofjasonellison on Jun 19, 2010 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions
:/
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Jun 19, 2010 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL Fatso Broxton!
Makes Pedroia look stupid on two swings then lays one down the middle for Pedroia to hit the game winning single.
Buster Posey: "I'm a catcher." Brian Sabean: "I'm an idiot."
by rxmeister on Jun 19, 2010 4:20 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I saw that
When broxton came in I was like god dammit, and after seeing what pedroia did on the first 3 pitches I thought it was going extra’s. What’s funny is dip shit tim mccarver was like “If I were pedroia’s friend ethier over there in right field i’d play really shallow because his 2 stike approach has no power to the opposite field”. Low and behold broxton (retard status) throws a low and away fastball on the outside corner and exactly what buck the dumb fuck mccarver said happens, LOL nice throw ethier.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Here is what . . .
. . . I take away from this game.
1. Cain was—pitch count or no, “horse” or no—perceptibly tiring in the 7th. Bochy’s old-school thought (or whatever) patterns are “He’s pitching well so why take him out? Dude deserves a chance to go for the W.” A phrase that gets repeated a lot around this household is one from a medical treatise on fatigue: loss of fine motor control is the first symptom. “Fine motor control” means the ability to do delicate tasks with the muscles—such as exactly control pitches. Cain should not have started the 8th, but certainly should have been out after the walk to Lewis. Bochy probably have cost Cain an L, and certainly cost him two or three Earnies.
2. Santiago Casilla has been an optical illusion. Three batters faced with 2 outs already and no third out is, for him, a good performance: be glad he didn’t give up three straight boombahs. He was not a good pitcher, he is not a good pitcher, and he never will be a good pitcher.
There’s lots more, but those are, to me, the high points—or, more correctly, the low points.
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Cain should NOT have been pulled after getting two easy outs followed by the Lewis walk. I’m no Bochy fan, but he would have needed a crystal ball there to see that .190 hitter going deep. Either you have one, or you’re using the gift of hindsight.
As for Casilla, you are probably right about him, but in this game he was beaten by a little broken bat bloop. You surely cannot fault him for that. In addition, they’re down two runs in the eighth. Who did you want there, Brian Wilson?
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by rxmeister on Jun 19, 2010 4:33 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
No seers needed.
The .190 is meaningless, as others have already noted; and the Jays are a team on which everyone can, and always tries to, go deep. Nor is it hindsight: I said aloud at the start of the 8th that Cain should not be out there, and I repeated it even louder when Lewis walked. You weren’t here to hear me, but trust me, it was said. Let me repeat: loss of fine motor control is the first symptom of fatigue onset.
Who do I want there? No, not Wilson, because at that point the game could have gone on to 19 innings. (Which is why switching in Schierholtz was, to say the least, bizarre, unless Burrell had a naggy something we didn’t hear about.) Neither Bautista nor Casilla ought to be on the big-club roster, and their presence artificially reduces the realistic options. I’d have to look back and see who was used when, but definitely not Casilla (or Bautista)—probably whoever else was available. When did Martinez pitch? (I have a terrible memory.)
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That's what she said
I like my beer cold ... my TV loud ... and my romosexuals flaming.--Homer Simpson
Martinez pitched on Tuesday
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Thank you.
Probably not wise to use him, then, but basically ABC (Anybody But Casilla), and ABB, too.
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Yeah, for now I trust Casilla more than Bautista
but really, neither of them should be on a MLB roster
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The only other RHP options were Romo and Mota
Casilla is on the staff only because Medders went on the DL. Mota had fatigue problems all last week (he’s not at an age where 9 appearances in 16 days is a fair workload). Bautista is on the staff because Joaquin was ineffective to say the least in April.
The money lies in the RBIs
-- Jeff Kent
See the note below . . .
. . . (or above, the formatting here drives me up a wall) about Affeldt’s career performance vs RHB and LHB. The handedness thing can be overdone (especially by knee-jerkers like a Bochy).
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No, I can't.
Even though it is much easier for a pitcher to improve significantly late in his career, because pitching is an initiating act, not a responding act. But there is zero reason to believe that Casilla after quite a number of consecutive years of unremitting badness suddenly found The Secret Of life®. In Torres’ case, his 2009 was internally consistent and of nontrivial duration.
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Even if you DID say Cain should be pulled, it doesn’t mean it’s the right move, even with what happened. Two outs man on first are situations even tired pitchers can get out of, and Cain would probably not agree with your assessment. Not only that, but you didn’t care for what reliever he had warming up anyway, so what’s the point of changing pitchers?
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by rxmeister on Jun 19, 2010 4:58 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
You are conflating issues.
Whether Cain should have been pulled and who should replace him are separate matters. Certainly what Cain, or any pitcher being removed from a game, thinks is about as irrelevant to decision-making as it gets. I have never heard of a manager whose strategy for changing pitchers was to wait till the pitcher signals him that it’s time to take him out (pardon the assorted indefinite antecedents there); most managers rely on the opposition batters, and personal observation, for that information.
As for Casilla, that’s just compounding the folly: wait too long, then throw gas on the fire. Affeldt was usable (now that I recall), and has throughout his career been almost exactly equal in effectiveness against RHB and LHB (.741 OPS for LHB, .746 for RHB), so where’s the problem?
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The point I’m making is simply this. Sometimes the right move turns out wrong, or the wrong move works out well. Just because you wanted Cain pulled right before the homerun doesn’t mean you were right. The pitcher you wanted to bring in there could’ve easily given it up as well. A tired Matt Cain this season is better than a rested Joey or Affeldt.
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by rxmeister on Jun 19, 2010 5:20 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh.
A tired Matt Cain this season is better than a rested Joey or Affeldt. Gee, I didn’t know that. I thought a tired Matt Cain might—like any tired pitcher—you know, sort of, um, walk men? Maybe let pitches creep out into the zone? Silly me. Matt Cain, even when tired, doesn’t do that. Boy, live and learn.
Yes, sometimes the right move turns out wrong, and the wrong move turns out right. But the smart money is usually on making the right move. Bochy made the wrong move. As usual.
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If you don't want to walks, Affeldt is the last dude you send out of the pen
The money lies in the RBIs
-- Jeff Kent
ahem
If you don’t wanttowalks, Affeldt is the last dude you send out of the pen
The money lies in the RBIs
-- Jeff Kent
Hem - A
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"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
"...and is the reason 'why' really something we should be striving for?" - (guess who)
by victor frankenstein on Jun 19, 2010 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Humph, I'm multi-tasking.
You think this the only blog I douche in?
The money lies in the RBIs
-- Jeff Kent
Oh, like the women do.
Hey, you went there with the douching thing.
Plus, on the social networks they really do.
Plus plus, I’m still smarting over that “old/gay” remark.
/raspberry
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"...and is the reason 'why' really something we should be striving for?" - (guess who)
by victor frankenstein on Jun 19, 2010 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I APPROVE OF RXMEISTER'S CONFLATION
The decision on whether or not to take out a pitcher isn’t made in a vacuum. The actual decision on whether or not to remove a pitcher absolutely is influenced by who a manager has to choose from in his bullpen. If Bochy had something akin to the Padres’ bullpen to go to in the situation he faced today, that would’ve been a far different thing than if he had Arizona’s bullpen to go to—or the Giants’, for that matter.
Today, Bochy had a rested bullpen, so in theory, he could’ve chosen just about any of his relief pitchers. I also happen to agree with your point that Bochy errs on the side of managing for stats (letting a starter stay in for a W, or bringing in Wilson just so he can get a save). And I also agree that Cain was most likely tiring. He had been leaving many of his pitches up that inning, even as he retired Buck and Encarnacion. The walk to LOLFred was of the 4-pitch variety. So, actually, I agree in principle with the idea of taking Cain out after the Lewis walk.
But the question was asked, who would you have had replace Cain? Your main point here was “anyone but Casilla or Bautista”, because, evidently, you think Casilla and Bautista are the worst pitchers on the Giants roster and that they don’t belong in the major leagues. You also sort of suggested Martinez, which I thought was a little odd, given that Joey just started on Wednesday. Eventually, you said Affeldt would’ve been a better choice, which I find really puzzling, the way Affeldt has pitched of late.
The problem with just saying “Cain had to go”, without conflating the issue of who would’ve replaced him, is the fact that each of the available choices to replace Cain (save for Wilson) came with significant risks of their own. Casilla and Bautista we’ve already covered. The others were:
- Affeldt: 1.80 WHIP; walks and command have been a significant problem all season.
- Mota: Probably the best choice here, but he has been going through some significant regression of late.
- Romo: Best WHIP on the staff, but brings serious Gopher-tude. I’m not sure if Romo vs. Hill wouldn’t have ended up with the same result as Cain vs. Hill did.
- Runzler: Really has struggled against RH hitters this season. 1.74 WHIP, 6.28 ERA vs. RH hitters.
Those were the choices, unless you want to consider bringing Wilson in there. None of the non-Wilson relievers inspire that much confidence the way, say, a Luke Gregerson, a Mike Adams, or even a Justin Mujica might in that situation.
So, again, I think I might’ve opted for Mota. But the point here is, Bochy doesn’t have the luxury of simply saying, “Cain’s fine motor control is gone—get him out of there. I don’t care who you bring in, just get Cain out of there!!” He has to make a determination on who would be more likely to get an out than Cain. If he looks down at his bullpen and sees a bunch of guys who also are lacking fine motor control, and who present equal or greater risk of failure than leaving in Cain would present, then maybe the decision isn’t as easy as you seem to think it is.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?
Question: how do you have an ERA vs. RH hitters? Is this from outings in which he only saw RH hitters?
No, I understand that, but I’ve never seen an ERA vs. handedness, probably for the reason of what do you do if you face a lefty and then a righty?
Say the lefty comes up first and singles and then the right hander drives him in with a double but fails to score in the inning. Does that count as an earned runner for right handers or left handers?
It isn't ERA:
I used OPs as a proxy for general quality of pitching, for which it is passable.
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Fair enough, but
Runzler: Really has struggled against RH hitters this season. 1.74 WHIP, 6.28 ERA vs. RH hitters.
(I realize this isn’t your quotation.) This is just my curiosity as to how this would actually be accounted for.
Durned if I know.
Baseball Reference does not show ERA in its platoon splits.
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Good point...
I was going off Runzler’s splits from MLB. Somewhere in the dark recesses of my mind I had the same question you did, but that question never made it to the conscious part of my brain. I don’t know how MLB gets that particular stat. Using tOPS+ here probably makes more sense. LHBs’ tOPS+ vs. Runzler is 49. RHBs have a 138 tOPS+ against Runzler.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?
There are numerous questionable assumptions there.
One is that a pitcher of a certain reasonably established quality level is not to be judged by that established level, but by what he did in his last outing or two, aka the “hot hand” theory, aka Bochy management style. If Jeremey Affeldt is good enough to be on your roster in the bullpen, and is rested, then you bring him in when he is an otherwise reasonable candidate. If you think Affeldt and Mota and Romo and Runzler are inadequate for that situation, then (excepting perhpas Runzler, whose splits are still SSS) they ought not to be on your staff. If they are on your staff, you have perforce decided that they can pitch when it is appropriate (not recently overtaxed, and no huge, established platoon differential). Affeldt matches those criteria.
I think the decision is comically easy.
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I disagree about Torres’s 2009, but never mind that—Casilla hasn’t been unremittingly bad at all. He was very good in AAA in 2005-06, and had a solid rookie year with the A’s in 2007. Then he fell apart.
But as you said, it’s so much easier for a pitcher, especially a relief pitcher, to work things out at an advanced age. Casilla obviously has outstanding stuff, and his results, in his few innings this year, have been superb. Sure, there’s a good chance he’ll relapse; but he’s the perfect sort of pitcher to have as the fifth or sixth man out of the pen, because sometimes you get lucky and he turns into Joe Nathan or something.
Who?
Rookie year in 2007? Casilla came up with Oakland in 2004. His ERA history is this:
Year Org IP ERA
2004 oak 5.2 12.71
2005 oak 3.0 3.00
2006 oak 2.1 11.57
2007 oak 50.2 4.44
2008 oak 50.1 3.93
2009 oak 48.1 5.96
2010 sfo 10.1 0.87
career 170.2 4.85
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He didn’t pitch enough from 2004-2006 for those stats to mean anything.
2007 and 2008 look fine.
Really, the aberration here is his bad 2009 season. Those look like the stats of a serviceable major league reliever.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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Shirley, you jest?
A career 4.85 (which includes his 2010 to date) is a “serviceable major league reliever”? On whose team? And 4.44 is a “solid” year? You and I are reading from very different scripts.
(And that oddball 2008 of “only” 3.93 is because his ERA was way under his actual pitching quality.)
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And 4.44 is a "solid" year? You and I are reading from very different scripts.
Apparently we are, considering I never said “solid.” A 4.44 ERA isn’t great or anything, but if you can put that up in the majors, you can stay in the majors, especially with the kind of live arm that Casilla has that could be dominant.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
I quote:
. . . and had a solid rookie year with the A’s in 2007.
I realize that that wasn’t you, but I was responding in general to all comments made.
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The peripherals were fine. 9.24 K/9, 4.09 BB/9. The HR rate was too high but not terrible.
His career FIP is 4.50, which is definitely bad for a reliever, but far from horrendous.
I was promised lasagna.
"Far" . . .
. . . is a relative word. In this instance, it is, so far as I am concerned, immediately adjacent. Of all his career stats, the only one not worse than average is his K/PA rate, which is slightly better (but his K/W is also below normal). Thank you, but you may have him, I don’t want him.
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Of relievers with 40 innings pitched last year, 23% had a FIP over 4.50. I don’t think you can say that 1 in 4 MLB relievers is “horrendous” (or, actually, worse than horrendous).
I was promised lasagna.
It kinda sounds like you’re nicely defining the bottom of the pool, there.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Probably, but how many teams currently have 7 above replacement pitchers in the pen? Not many, I would think.
And the point is that he could improve. He ditched his old slider and replaced it with a curvball. He’s also currently averaging two more MPH on his fastball than before. If this leads to him shaving, say, .30 points of ERA, he’s a 4.20 pitcher, which is decent.
It’s not that he’s been OK, just that he’s been close enough to OK that it makes sense to take a flier on him.
I was promised lasagna.
Well, if we assume (for the sake or argument) that the top 77% of relievers are above replacement level and these relievers are randomly distributed, then the chance of any 7 relievers all being above replacement level is (0.77)^7 = 0.16. And with thirty teams, we might expect (on average) that around 5 teams have entirely above average bullpens, so, as you said, not many.
That said, things probably aren’t distributed randomly, so who knows.
Shirley, you must be a slut!
In 2007 Jairo Garcia did not arrive in the Bigs until June 3. 13 appearances later his ERA was 0.57 and he had 2 Wins. He made 11 appearances in July and allowed runs in only 3 of those games blowing 2 saves. He did not pitch well in August allowing runs in 7 of 13 appearances, yet had 0 BS, 5 Holds and 1 Win. In September he did not allow a run in 7 of his 9 appearances but only one of those was a Blown Save.
That’s a pretty good year for a guy who is basically around to pitch garbage innings and the occasional extra-innning.
The money lies in the RBIs
-- Jeff Kent
The guy throws 100 mph, and unlike someone like Merkin Valdez, the fastball isn’t his only pitch. Someone with an arm like that is capable of putting it together at any time.
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by rxmeister on Jun 19, 2010 5:24 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
True.
But “putting it together” usually requires some impetus—a good pitching coach, the fear of being DFAed, something. No one has ever doubted that he has the basic tools—whyever do we suppose the A’s hung on to him for so many years despite his performance? But an old saying of mine (in print since 1982) is that the problem with great young arms is that so many of them come attached to shitty young pitchers. And that is also true for not-so-young arms.
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Come now. I know you’re not actually ignorant of what the term “rookie” means in major-league baseball. So why on earth would you pretend that you are? What rhetorical tactic is served by this silliness?
I’m pretty sure rookie eligibility ends after you’ve pitched 10 2/3 innings.
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Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
LOL BORK
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"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
So I missed nothing?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 19, 2010 4:25 PM PDT reply actions
I fell asleep after the giants hit in the top of the 8th
I’m extremely pleased that happend.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Would convey exactly the same message without the caption.
Whatever Sabean thinks about the IQ of the average baseball fan, you just proved him right.
by cybermaldonado on Jun 19, 2010 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions
OT: site loss.
For most of last night, I was unable to raise either this site, the main SBnation site, or any other SBnations site I tried: the browser kept reporting server not found. Did anyone else have problems?
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yes
Around I think 11 pm our time it straight up died.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Times like that you can check the IRC channel on dalnet #thecove there’s not usually anybody there, but ya might get lucky.
IRL channel? IROC?
Auto racing?
“…ya might get lucky.”
Ohhh…social network.
/runs away
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
"...and is the reason 'why' really something we should be striving for?" - (guess who)
by victor frankenstein on Jun 19, 2010 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions
why would you be mad about uribe DHing, he’s been playing with a balky hamstring and sore elbow since early may.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Might be a great time to give him a day off, then!
I’m glad he’s on such a hot streak, but he’s not really one of the best hitters on the team, and thus should never be starting at DH.
He should be given tomorow off
but you know bork, he will run him out there at DH or 3B again thinking he’ll magically remain healthy.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Travis has 2 starts this year, right?
…or does he just have the 1 in Arizona?
Proud father of Mike Krukow (who is more than 3 times my age)
Grab Some Pine, Meat
Still cheering for Kevin Frandsen
John Bowker: One of the 3 best OF's on the Giants roster
Two
One in Arizona, one against the Cardinals.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
Ah, thanks
Good thing we have a defensive specialist as our primary PH
Proud father of Mike Krukow (who is more than 3 times my age)
Grab Some Pine, Meat
Still cheering for Kevin Frandsen
John Bowker: One of the 3 best OF's on the Giants roster
Remember last year, when at one point we briefly had four first basemen on our 25-man roster? Wheeeee.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. Because all 50th Round picks go to heaven (or at least extended spring training).
Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
Well, to be fair
Guzman and Garko would be more useful on this current team than Ishi.
Proud father of Mike Krukow (who is more than 3 times my age)
Grab Some Pine, Meat
Still cheering for Kevin Frandsen
John Bowker: One of the 3 best OF's on the Giants roster
And apparently my son can play 1B, 3B or LF
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, who has been resurrected and has returned to..(reads)...Fresno? And is also an outfielder now.
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
Yeah...
I barely trust him at 1B (no offense)
Proud father of Mike Krukow (who is more than 3 times my age)
Grab Some Pine, Meat
Still cheering for Kevin Frandsen
John Bowker: One of the 3 best OF's on the Giants roster
No I agree
He is pretty clanktastic. But I still love him so.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, who has been resurrected and has returned to..(reads)...Fresno? And is also an outfielder now.
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
Yeah-I think he'd be fine as a RH bench bat
Proud father of Mike Krukow (who is more than 3 times my age)
Grab Some Pine, Meat
Still cheering for Kevin Frandsen
John Bowker: One of the 3 best OF's on the Giants roster
I'm watching you pal.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, who has been resurrected and has returned to..(reads)...Fresno? And is also an outfielder now.
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
Does Buster sit for awhile?
He’s 1 for last 22.
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
It'd be nice if people like bengie molina and aaron rowand weren't on this team
Having to hit between those black holes abd automatic outs means you just get jammed and thrown bad pitches.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
You're half right.
He’s been following Sandoval but hitting in front of Molina and Renteria.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
"...and is the reason 'why' really something we should be striving for?" - (guess who)
by victor frankenstein on Jun 19, 2010 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
Rowand and molina do not belong in any major league line up, renteria is a MUCH better option than both of them at this point.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
WOW
This phillies twins game is unbelievable.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
9 HRs and counting
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 19, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Ridiculous
I can’t believe the twins came back, and then ross gload gets a charity home run from citizens bank park.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
LOL PHILLIES
Their bullpen is so fucking shitty that it makes me feel good about the giants.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
9 runs in the last 3 innings?
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
3 pinch hit home runs in that game
Still shocked at how awful the phillies bullpen is, I knew it was bad but I didn’t know it was diamondbacks bad.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Missed The Game
Thanks to Toy Story 3.
Apparently we made the right choice.
The 25 minutes of previews was a bit much, though.
I've got just three words for you: Duck The Fodgers
by IanRogue on Jun 19, 2010 4:55 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
/drools, waits for torrent
An’ if you’re shaking your head because of my experience with Cox – well, I went with a different torrent provider successfully on Iron Man 2
(Frankenstein Jr’s assessment: “It’s a sequel.”)
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
"...and is the reason 'why' really something we should be striving for?" - (guess who)
by victor frankenstein on Jun 19, 2010 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Scanning recent World Cup scores
WHAT THE FUCK
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 19, 2010 4:57 PM PDT reply actions
SHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quiet you!
We’re watching the Cameroon match right now!
Anybody else you want to laugh at feel free.
LOL
Germany
Spain
England
US
France
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 19, 2010 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Would anyone even care if the ref had screwed Cameroon or any other country besides the U.S.?
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
They’d care in Cameroon.
And it would probably be at least mentioned here.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
There’s a really good Cameroonian restaurant in North Oakland. Or maybe South Berkeley. I can’t remember which side of the border it is.
Apropos of nothing…
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. Because all 50th Round picks go to heaven (or at least extended spring training).
Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
Do I care anyway?
Whatever Sabean thinks about the IQ of the average baseball fan, you just proved him right.
by cybermaldonado on Jun 19, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Definitely yes. There are much more rabid soccer fans than U.S. soccer fans.
Also known to haunt as theghostoftravisdenker and theaccidentalghostofsergioromo.
Adopted parent of good old Wendell, he tries so hard. You'll get a hit someday son!
by theghostofjasonellison on Jun 19, 2010 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Really? I didn’t see it. What happened?
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 19, 2010 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
It was a first-class jobbing by a third-world dipshit from Mali, the nation inhabited by lying thieves.
"You can always recover from the player you didn't sign. You may never recover from the player you signed at the wrong price." --Billy Beane
"I am not an idiot."--Brian Sabean
by Sabean's_Folly on Jun 19, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not the third-world lying scumbag ref who deliberately jobbed the US
Maybe you feel a strong kinship to pieces of shit of that particular ilk.
"You can always recover from the player you didn't sign. You may never recover from the player you signed at the wrong price." --Billy Beane
"I am not an idiot."--Brian Sabean
by Sabean's_Folly on Jun 19, 2010 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow
You have, like, 6,000 comments. Been around for two years.
How did I not know you’re an asshole?
I was promised lasagna.
LOL soccer
Nobody gives a shit about this sport in the USA, and suddenly because it’s the “world cup” everybody sits down in front if the TV and watches a bunch of low scoring tie games. I love my country, but I couldn’t care less if they win a meaningless game of soccer.
Buster Posey: "I'm a catcher." Brian Sabean: "I'm an idiot."
by rxmeister on Jun 19, 2010 5:29 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
This is exactly why I first and foremost support my favorite players rather than the US team. Half of Americans don’t give a shit, and the other half think soccer is an inferior game.
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG
by Useful_Idiot on Jun 19, 2010 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I’m pretty much pretending that never happened. My reply was completely ignored, and I see 2-3 similar (sometimes worse) “name callings” every day, that, at worst, have jponry or howtheyscored (or some non-mods) politely asking the poster to calm down, and most of the times not even that.
I didn’t get any official warning anyway, so…whatever.
I was promised lasagna.
Here's an unofficial ass essment.
Is there some comment count standard that qualifies you as a “VIP” and grants you immunity from assholiness?
Not from what I’ve seen.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
"...and is the reason 'why' really something we should be striving for?" - (guess who)
by victor frankenstein on Jun 19, 2010 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I think having a long-standing reputation as a level-headed and substantive poster should have a huge amount of sway.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
On the other hand, having a long-standing reputation as an annoying troll…
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. Because all 50th Round picks go to heaven (or at least extended spring training).
Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
Which part of my comment do you take issue with?
Mali: Third world country, in fact one of the poorest in the entire world, by definition a “Third World Nation”.
Koman Coulibaly: Referee in question. He’s either brutally incompetent or he deliberately screwed the US team over.
If you ascribe to the former, then the whole of FIFA competition comes into question, for by employing incompetent referees they compromise the integrity of the game.
If you ascribe to the latter possibility, as I do, then Coulibaly is nothing more than a lying scumbag piece of shit, from a third world nation.
So, am I an asshole for pointing out the obvious, or ar YOU the asshole for your pathetic knee-jerk reaction to an accurate post?
"You can always recover from the player you didn't sign. You may never recover from the player you signed at the wrong price." --Billy Beane
"I am not an idiot."--Brian Sabean
by Sabean's_Folly on Jun 19, 2010 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions
wow
Your justification of your use of “third world” is pretty idiotic.
I mean, if I started shouting about Kim Batiste by calling him “a black son of a bitch,” would that not be racist? I mean, it’s true. He’s black. But deliberately pointing it out for insulting purposes is, y’know, racist.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. Because all 50th Round picks go to heaven (or at least extended spring training).
Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
That’s like making an anti-black racist comment, then justifying it with “Well, he is black, isn’t he?”
Where he is from has nothing to do with him refereeing a poor game.
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG
by Useful_Idiot on Jun 19, 2010 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Dude, look at the comment directly above yours. I made that point two hours ago!
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. Because all 50th Round picks go to heaven (or at least extended spring training).
Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
Oh
But nobody listens to you. It’s more meaningful coming from me. ;)
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG
by Useful_Idiot on Jun 19, 2010 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't go flogging Mali
I agree with “It was a first-class jobbing”, and I’m guessing I would agree with what I think is probably your level of disgust with what happened.
But I don’t agree with making a point of which of the three worlds (there’s only three, right?) the ref is from, or what type of people you think inhabit that particular country in that particular world. I think there are plenty of “third-world” refs who would’ve made the right (non-)call in that situation, and plenty of first and second-world refs who might well have made the same disgraceful call Coulibaly did. After all, lying thieves exist in every country, including ours.
Mainly, I disagree with somehow tying the egregiousness of what Coulibaly did, with where he is from.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?
Yeah thats pretty bad
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 19, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Sparkling Youtube commentary.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
"...and is the reason 'why' really something we should be striving for?" - (guess who)
by victor frankenstein on Jun 19, 2010 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions
How is that possible?
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Jun 19, 2010 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Marlins fans running out of steam. The vuvuzelas are quieter.
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
How many people would you say are at that game?
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
109
"You can always recover from the player you didn't sign. You may never recover from the player you signed at the wrong price." --Billy Beane
"I am not an idiot."--Brian Sabean
by Sabean's_Folly on Jun 19, 2010 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD!
mccoven diversity: Romosexuals, Velezbians, Nerb's--they're all here...
by greatgiantfan on Jun 19, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
always give 110%
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD!
mccoven diversity: Romosexuals, Velezbians, Nerb's--they're all here...
by greatgiantfan on Jun 20, 2010 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions
OMGGGGGGGG
Giants fans of my generation (30-ish) will doubtless freak out about seeing this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slUOHCMb-Rg&feature=related
OZZIE SMITH, I HATE YOU AND YOUR ASS FACE.
Come to think of it, Oquendo had more of an ass face than Smith. Fuck both of them.
(And apologies if this has been posted on MCC already; I saw the link on Facebook, and didn’t see it here at quick glance)
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. Because all 50th Round picks go to heaven (or at least extended spring training).
Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
Although Will Clark did have trouble with black players, he got into it with Ozzie Smith. He got into it with Shawon Dunston during the 1989 NLCS, He couldn’t get along with Jeffrey Leonard.
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I’m pretty sure Ozzie Smith is the only black player to sucker punch him in the back of the head on the field, though!
I know Clark wasn’t exactly a saint. But fuck Smith and Oquendo anyway.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. Because all 50th Round picks go to heaven (or at least extended spring training).
Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
I heard the reason why Smith (and Dunston) hit him was what he said to them (something that starts with the letter “n”).
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I haven’t, but if so, obviously, he’s a dipshit.
But you will never convince me of anything other than Fuck Oquendo and Smith. Eight-year-old emotions run high!
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. Because all 50th Round picks go to heaven (or at least extended spring training).
Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
Emotions of an eight year old, that is. Not emotions from eight years ago.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. Because all 50th Round picks go to heaven (or at least extended spring training).
Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
Clark has mellowed quite a bit since then but he was known for being a racist in the late 1980s.
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I am aware of this, yes.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. Because all 50th Round picks go to heaven (or at least extended spring training).
Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
these aren’t allegations to be thrown about lightly
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD!
mccoven diversity: Romosexuals, Velezbians, Nerb's--they're all here...
by greatgiantfan on Jun 19, 2010 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions
But the thing was he seemed to only dislike blacks. I knew someone who worked for the Giants in the early 90’s, who is Korean and Clark had no problem with him. This guy helped me get an old Giants magazine autographed that had Clark and Williams on the cover.
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
And him only disliking Blacks is fine!
I know, I know, that’s not what you said. But still, its not cool for him to ‘only dislike blacks’ by any means.
Proud adoptee of Dick Tidrow the mastermind behind Tim Lincecum, Matt Cain, Buster Posey and many more. Also known as "The Reason".
ya know, I’d like to see some substantiation here. He may be a good ol’ boy, but that doesn’t make him a bigot necessarily. Also, anyone with that attitude in baseball is a pariah these days, and I don’t see that being Clark’s MO.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD!
mccoven diversity: Romosexuals, Velezbians, Nerb's--they're all here...
by greatgiantfan on Jun 19, 2010 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not aware of it being substantiated at all. But it was widely rumored back in the day. I always dismissed it, cause, y’know, I was an eight year old who worshipped Will Clark. But I was aware of the rumors.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. Because all 50th Round picks go to heaven (or at least extended spring training).
Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
Ask Jeffrey Leonard. Supposedly Leonard’s nephews were running around the clubhouse, and Clark used the “N word” when he referred to them. Leonard and Clark had a confrontation, and it’s believed the Giants subsequently traded Leonard to solve the problem.
Buster Posey: "I'm a catcher." Brian Sabean: "I'm an idiot."
by rxmeister on Jun 19, 2010 7:58 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
To be fair, they might also have traded him because he was in steep decline – his last really good season was 1984, though he was solid in 1987 – and, with Butler, Maldonado, and Aldrete (who was coming off a career year), they didn’t really need Leonard.
I actually went to a game at the ’Stick a day or two after Leonard was traded. It was a giveaway day – a free baseball with (fake) signatures of all the Giants players. A bleacher bum asked me if it had Leonard on it. It did.
“Give it back to ’em and ask for a new one without that bum!” he said.
That ended up being a pretty nice trade for the Giants, incidentally. Leonard was pretty much done, and Riles, though not a spectacular player, had a good year and a half for the Giants.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. Because all 50th Round picks go to heaven (or at least extended spring training).
Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
Butler, Aldrete, Maldonado, AND Mitchell, come to think of it. That was when they started moving him to left field.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. Because all 50th Round picks go to heaven (or at least extended spring training).
Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
I'm going with "Innocent until proven guilty"
Not that my opinions of people are always based on the US legal system. But in this case, when it involves a very strong accusation against someone of whom I’ve always had a pretty favorable opinion, I think I’m going to wait to see something more substantial than what I’m seeing here. Or I’ll ask Jeffrey next time I see him. Admittedly, it’d be different if we were talking about, say, Steve Garvey. And with Tommy Lasorda, heck, I endorse flat-out making stuff up.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?
All these years I've held a grudge against Maldonado
But watching him flying into that pile of red in defense of Clark…well, my grudge just softened a little bit.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?
Worst part about this game
Posey’s epic slump continues
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG
No
Worst part about this game: Bengie Molina playing for th esecond day in a row doing nothing but shorten the line up and give the pitcher that much more confidence.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Kind of like . . .
. . . giving away the DH by batting a virtual pitcher 9th.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
He's worse than a pitcher
Because you know that unless he hits a home run, he has done nothing to benefit the team. He also is cancer if people are on the bases, seeing as he chokes harder than pablo and hacks at anything and usually FPOM’s.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
What’s amazing is that the last THREE times they’ve had day games following night games, a time where teams who have good young catchers tend to rest them, Bengie has caught on every one of those occasions. Either they’re giving him one last chance to save his Giants’ career, or more likely, (and far more scary) they don’t think they can win without him in the lineup.
Buster Posey: "I'm a catcher." Brian Sabean: "I'm an idiot."
by rxmeister on Jun 19, 2010 5:56 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Very good point
Unfortunately, I think its the latter. I seriously think that bork and smugbean think bengie molina is one of the best catchers in the game and they “need him to get hot” or they can’t win without him. Bengie molina insists he’s fine and wants to go out and play everyday, he’s done and should give it up and realize he’s hurting the team and one of our greatest prospects of all times development. Unfortunately bengie does not care about the team, his only concern is getting enough starts to get very incentive in his contract because he is clearly the least effective catcher in the league and is now a liability and will be done after ths year.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
I totally forgot about his games played incentive clause. Could it be that Bochy is trying to help him reach those incentives even if it’s detrimental to the team?
Buster Posey: "I'm a catcher." Brian Sabean: "I'm an idiot."
by rxmeister on Jun 19, 2010 6:48 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
He signed a one year 4.5 million dollar deal with 1.5 million in incentives that are all based on # of starts I believe.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
I say just give it to him and sit his ass down more often.
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
He should only start when timmy and cain are pitching, that’s it. There’s no reason to have him shortening the line up 4 out of every 5 games and playing every single fucking night game followed by a day game. I don’t understand why the fuck bork thinks molina needs to catch the 5th starter, let alone zito.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Here are the details:
(From a February 19 column by Baggarly.)
He’d earn a $250,000 bonus for his 90th start at catcher, and additional $250,000 payouts for each five games he starts beyond that, maxing out at 115 games. That’s six triggers worth $1.5 million – which could bring his total earnings to $6 million.
(It bears mention that his contract language is very specific: He doesn’t get credit for games caught. He has to start behind the plate. And starts at any other position, including DH, obviously wouldn’t count, either.)
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Nope, you know bengie will demand to play non stop and insist he’s in great shape and feels like he’s taking great swings and wants to help the team win. You know that bork eats that up like bengie does a buffet by himself, Mmm veteran gamer calling the best games in the mLB and what a great bat he’s got Mmmm. Bork thinks bengie is just around the corner from a massive hot streak, but in truth bengie is just trying to get as many starta as possible so he can hit that 115 mark. Once he hits that and the 6 million is all guaranteed, he will tell everyone he’s “injured” and hit the DL for the rest of the season while he eats himself to death.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
is it possible for us to decline the DH
and let the pitcher bat? I was wondering this before the game, but SBN wasn’t working to let me comment.
should've put Cain out there
of course, his bunting skills are really only useful if there’s someone on base for him to move over.
Sent to Fresno Richmond San Jose Augusta Salem-Keizer in 3…2…
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Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. Because all 50th Round picks go to heaven (or at least extended spring training).
Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
still, the drill with batteries is probably recycleable
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD!
mccoven diversity: Romosexuals, Velezbians, Nerb's--they're all here...
by greatgiantfan on Jun 19, 2010 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Mark reynolds on pace to crush his strikeout record
But also on pace for 40 dingerz, I’d take that from scott.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
OT Reminder:
The newest Dr. Who on BBC America at 6:00 pm (Pacific). Curiously, once again (at least on Directv) no HD.
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Silurians!
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Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. Because all 50th Round picks go to heaven (or at least extended spring training).
Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
I’m wondering which classic series adversary they’ll back next year. I think it should definitely be this:
Or maybe these:
Or even this guy:
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Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. Because all 50th Round picks go to heaven (or at least extended spring training).
Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
Can’t fool me. The giant red spider lady and the dildo-face Dalek are both from the new series!
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Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. Because all 50th Round picks go to heaven (or at least extended spring training).
Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
I don’t know about you, but my Directv does not carry BBCA in HD at all. So it would not be at all curious for Doctor Who to not be broadcast in HD (which is why I tend to just DL the latest eps as they air in the UK and watch ’em on my Mac).
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
But . . .
. . . we have watched many previous episodes (this season) in HD—last week’s was, I believe, the first not so available. Just BBCA just plain give up on HD?
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BBCA didn’t give up on it – Directv has never carried the channel in HD. Ever. Perhaps you were watching widescreen SD. But it was not HD.
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
Well . . .
. . . I’m too lazy to look back, or even discover where to look back. But my possibly tricky memory recalls seeing both standard and HD on the grid. But whatever . . .
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NO HITTER ALERT
Ok, so it’s just A-ball, but the GreenJackets are getting no-hit through six.
They could be Giants...but not really.
Radio feed:
http://www.wrdwam.com/
(click on “listen live here” in the upper right corner)
They could be Giants...but not really.
AND THE WIN!
Dan Cook with the walk-off hit in the 10th. Final score, 5-4.
/dancing cats GIF
They could be Giants...but not really.
OT
Watch out for Tiger Woods at the US Open on Sunday.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Especially if you dance naked on a pole for a living.
Buster Posey: "I'm a catcher." Brian Sabean: "I'm an idiot."
by rxmeister on Jun 19, 2010 6:00 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Matt cain truely is fucked
On a day when the king of no run support is cain’d brutally, zack grienke avoids being cained with a 2 out singles rally by the royals in the 7th.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Julio lugo with his first extra base hit of the season
I’d fine clayton richard for that epic fail.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Sympathy for Cain
I’m there with us being pissed at the team failing to support Cain but I sure hope that:
1) Cain would have screamed “Get the fuck off my mound” if Bochy tried to take him out before the home run, and
2) Cain would tell us, “Thanks, but I’m the one who walked Lewis and grooved a pitch to Hill. It’s on me.”
2) Yes, those two runs are his fault. Definitely not his fault that he ended up with a loss for it though.
They are . . .
. . . “his fault” only if you choose to believe that he, or any pitcher, can pitch any indefinitely large number of innings without getting at all fatigued.
Most of what a major-league manager does could be executed by a reasonably bright bat boy. What a manager chiefly gets paid to do is to know when to take pitchers out (and when not to). When a man who has been demonstrating near-perfect command starts to be less than perfect, and the game is tied or close, it’s time to make the move. Any fool can say after the fact that he must have been getting tired, but the manager who is actually earning his salary is the one who sees the issue before it blows up on him and the pitcher and the team.
Maybe some days Cain can go 130 pitches, maybe some days only 90. There is no tablet on which some one number is graven: it is up to the manager to see which kind of day the man is having.
Decreases in fine motor control are the first symptom of fatigue.
Fine motor control is the coordination of muscular, bone (skeletal), and neurological functions to produce small, precise movements.
—NIH
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Fine motor skills are the coordination of small muscle movements which occur e.g., in the fingers, usually in coordination with the eyes.
—Wikipedia
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I dunno, Mr. O...
…but is throwing a baseball – various grips/fingerpressures notwithstanding – really a small, precise movement?
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
"...and is the reason 'why' really something we should be striving for?" - (guess who)
by victor frankenstein on Jun 19, 2010 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd say . . .
. . . that the hand grip and control involved in the release of the ball fall into that category. Observing tired pitchers’ deliveries provides anecdotal confirmation: the usual mark of a tiring pitcher, which even radio and TV commentators will notice given enough opportunity, is that the man can no longer locate his pitches with the precision he had in earlier innings.
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Honestly, re #2, doesn’t he always?
“A huge no-no,” Cain said. “That’s why a two-out walk will hurt you so much, because these guys will beat you with the long ball. You can’t give those guys extra chances.”
“You just get comfortable throwing in tight ballgames like today,” Cain said. “It comes down to one or two mistakes that decide the ballgame. You try not to be that guy. Today, I was that guy.”
They could be Giants...but not really.
Colby Lewis tonight against the ’Stros – 9 IP, 2H, 1ER, 0BB, 9K
They could be Giants...but not really.
Giants are thankfully their luck stars they are going to Houston next.
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Knowing the giants they'll somehow fuck it up
and make whatever scrubs who are starting for the astros look like gods. Matt cain will be pitching on 4 days rest, good thing bork tried to make him to the distance today in a scoreless game.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Better to face the Astros than to face the two teams the miss in interleague: Rays or Yankes.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
This is true
It’s going to be brutal playing the dodgers and red sox at home, hopefully the giants can make it a 3-3 homestand to salvage some hope.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Colby Lewis has been crazy this year
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Grab Some Pine, Meat
Still cheering for Kevin Frandsen
John Bowker: One of the 3 best OF's on the Giants roster
Yeah, he’s a pretty amazing story. Not sure what changed with him, but playing in Japan certainly worked wonders on his K/9 and K/BB rates.
I’m glad he got this win. The last time he pitched a CG, he got seriously Cain’d:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SEA/SEA201004300.shtml
They could be Giants...but not really.
Yeah I watched that game
It was brutal caining by both teams, but then again every single game the mariners play the pitcher gets cain’d. If cain pitched like colby lewis did today.. he’d have taken a complete game L LOLOL.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Soccer fans...............
Whatever Sabean thinks about the IQ of the average baseball fan, you just proved him right.
British, French, Spanish, etc. fans find them just as annoying as you do. It’s not a soccer thing, it’s a South African thing
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG
by Useful_Idiot on Jun 19, 2010 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Have the Giants announced they will skip the 5th starter yet?
If they do, Tim will miss the Dodgers.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
They are skipping the 5th starter
They announced it the other week I think, knowing bork he’ll dusty baker his pitchers dry with our LOLpens status.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
LOL RAYS
Just pissed away a 5-1 lead with a bunch of errors, epic late innings failure all over baseball it seems.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
5-3 orioles
Kevin milwood battling the daunting task of getting his first win of the year.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Just got back from the Phillies game and LOL at the THe Phillies for still calling Lidge “Lights Out Lidge”
Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!
LOL
I saw that it was 9-3 and stopped watching the game and I came back inside my house and saw it was 9-4 in the 9th. I then proceeded to see a bullpen meltdown so brutal and awful it made me feel amazingly better about the giants, as well as their LOLpen.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
We didn’t get that game out here. We got Dodgers at Red Sox.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I get 3 different fox channels on my direct tv, two of them had red sox dodgers and the other one had phillies twins. Sure was awesome watching broxton blow it, and then the phillies showing up even the DB’s pen.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Where are you?
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
santa cruz
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
How do you get 3 FOX channels there? You have access to the NY and LA FOX ones?
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I guess, I think I have some weird package that allows mw to view a lot of different fox channels. There’s like 15 different fox channels and I can view all of them for some reason.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
I only got one for my Directv: KTVU
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Yeah I get KTVU on channel 2 and then there’s a bunh of random fox channels in the 600’s.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Alfredo Simon in for the save for Baltimore.
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Please god
I was very pleased to not see the same goon who blew it last night. We best pray they don’t win via 3 bloop singles again.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
There's the lead off walk
And he missed badly on all the balls, we’re fucked.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Sorry guys!
I was busy moving into STANFORD
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I’m jealous.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Jun 19, 2010 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you there for school or moving in nearby? Either way, nice location, I’m way jealous
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Adopted parent of good old Wendell, he tries so hard. You'll get a hit someday son!
by theghostofjasonellison on Jun 19, 2010 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Rains
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Also, if you’ve ever wanted to try archery for free, check out the Stanford Archery team. They coach free beginners’ practices during the year on Fridays, though as a (masters’?) student, you’ll probably only be able to get into there at the end of the quarter.
If you have any questions, feel free to shoot me an email: s p e c k o p s {at} y a h o o {dot} c o m.
I probably won’t have time for anything fun this year (haha) but that sounds pretty awesome.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
There are so many awesome opportunities to do random stuff there, and I somewhat regret not exploring every nook and cranny further during my time there.
I guess if I had to recommend a single thing to actually do at the university: screw the archery team. Go enroll in Social Dance 1 with Richard Powers. The man is a genius, and every person who ever attends the Farm should take at least one class with him. The problem is that his classes can be addictive: once you’ve taken Social 1, you’ll probably want to take Social 2 and 3 as well.
Seriously
The marlins pen, brewers pen, and rockies pen are all epic failing in the same moment.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
wow
Eckstein grounded out to short.. and tony gwynn jr didn’t score? That’s like someone hitting a double and bengie molina not scoring from 3rd.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
O's win
Millwood wins his 1st game, Simon with the save
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Incredible
Can’t believe terrible ass simon got out of that lol, milwood accomplishes the impossible.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
I don't understand
How does tony gwynn not score from 3rd on a ground out? I don’t understand why the padres didn’t squeeze, its guaranteed success with eckstein in the box and TGJ on 3rd.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Wow
So the marlins bullpen explodes in the 11th and walks in 3 runs with 2 outs, and then the rays pen comes right back and loads the bases with no outs.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Every single game has been epic bullpen meltdowns
Like stuff so bad even the giants worse moments this season seem minor in comparison.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Stupid Rockies mascot behind home plate is stupid
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Seriously
Thank god for the orioles lock down bullpen.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Rockies win
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
LOL
Epic fail by the marlins, you get it to a one run game with 2nd and 3rd and no outs and don’t do anything, even more LOLs than the giants.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
This
The mariners have also scored 5 runs, as did the orioles therefore we should feel awful as giants fans.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
LOL REDS
Wish you used all this suckage when we were playing the last 2 games of the series against you.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
I will always love matt cain
Even if he’s forced to pitch to a immobile walrus behind the dish who could care less about anything but ending the game.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Bittersweet memories, that is all I'm taking with me
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?
Poor Matt Cain
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
What's more likely to happen this year
A giants player scoring 100 runs, or one of our starters winning 20 games.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
20 game winner.
But both are unlikely.
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
Haha I thought the same thing
When I thought that, I instantly came to the conclusion “20 game winner without a doubt, even though it won’t happen”. There’s no way any giants player will score 100 runs, I’ll be shocked if we get more than one person above 80.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
SFgiants.com Headlin
“Cain runs out of magic as jays top giants”
Seriously?
Sure is nice how we have a bunch of retards covering the giants who seem to think the offense is never to blame. The title should read “Offense takes the day off, cain tosses gem and loses”.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Fun with Giants Facebook
Kenny Helwig
Folks chill, it was a 10am start time. Those guys were up at 6am just to play baseball…..they will be ok
4 hours ago
I don’t think you realize how Time Zones work.
Doug Dais
Yeah but I think we can all agree that America is the best country in the whole goddamn world though right?
4 hours ago
Doug Davis? Oh, nevermind. I don’t think this is the thread you thought it was.
Frank Delauter
They’ll getem tomarow .
7 hours ago
You managed to get the contraction right…That’s a start.
Jodi North
They are paid to play… it should not matter where they play… they need to step up and play.. I to love the team… but baseball is new every inning that’s why we love it…they do play hard… but the luck goes the other way sometimes
The Giants are a team…teams play baseball…did I leave the stove on….I could go for a stick of gum…a baseball team has 9 players…was 9 a good movie…I suck at writing haikus
Fabian Flores
Cain pitch awsome!!!! But giants hit the ball and Molina stop grounded giving double play. Giants of heart go giants!!!!!
7 hours ago
This is just awesome. Thank you internet gods.
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
Interesting
No molina or rowand love in this batch, are the casual idiots finally on the DFA molina bandwagon?
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
SHIFT FUCKING A, so yea, i missed the game since i was at a wedding, in the Los Gatos area, HOLLER
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Drank ALOT with NEW family
Sierra Nevada brew, then went to Los Gatos Brewing company, drank a few there, then went to Los Gatos Lodge, where i am now
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
I used to abuse the lodge in high school, sup burnin spot LOLOL.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
by sfgiants420 on Jun 19, 2010 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Dude, this place is a SHITHOLE
but whatever, it’s got internet, and i’m back in the east bay tomorrow. My step brother drinks pretty hard core. makes me jealous though that his girlfriend is here, mine’s stuck in Ohio :(
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
dude, i can get all the free beer i want because of my step mom
she lives in Chico, and works with people at Sierra Nevada, so she gets it HEAVILY discounted. All this beer from Sierra Nevada i’ve never heard of, i now get
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
but really, today was pretty awesome… really makes me wish my girlfriend was here as well… oh well, haven’t seen her in over a month
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
BOOOO!!!
Long distance stuff sucks. Been there. Never done it halfway across the country though. That sounds brutal.
FREE BUSTER POSEY
yea, it BLOWS
i keep telling her to come out to California, since she’s never been. But it’s allllllll about money… i don’t really believe that a whole lot, we’ve been dating for almost 2 years, she’s 20, i’m 22, stayed with her parents (parents are AWESOME). Guess just being at this wedding today made me miss her that much more
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
actually my first wedding
/notice how i didn’t bring up anything about the giants tonight.
But, yea, she’s never been west of the mississippi, so i sent her a message telling her that sooner or later she has to make it out here since i’ll be gone from school for good by december since i’m graduating in December
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
for sure
so we’ll see when i get a message back, i’ll tell you what it’ll be “I TOLD YOU I HAVE NO MONEY” my response always: “YOUR DAD’S A LAWYER” so there’s nothing left to really say
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
LOL!!!
If she pulls that, just tell her to tell him to work a few more divorce cases and she’s got a ticket right there.
FREE BUSTER POSEY
but seriously, she works a job at the bakery, her dad’s a lawyer, has a lil bro who’s getting a full ride to Colorado, and her lil sis is like almost 8
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
I would say YES
but my girl would say NO, we’ll see what she says tomorrow with her message back to me :)
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Man this picture of Cain always makes me feel so sad.
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
don't be, just feel good he's an all star
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Don't worry. He has a friend join him.
by Natto on Jun 19, 2010 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Now I am more sad.
Someone get that doll they use to have kids point out where they were touched.
WE WILL GET YOU HELP, MATT
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
See, i wouldn't even want him as a friend to sit next to
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
OT: I’d just like to say something, it might be a fanshot, but RIP Manute Bol, a Golden State Warrior and a true gentleman of the NBA trying to benefit his country, you will be missed, and WAY WAY WAYYYYY TOO YOUNG, thank you for the memoreis Manute!
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
A few weeks ago Tom Tolbert (a former teammate in 1989) mentioned on the air that he heard Bol was really sick and near death. He was trying to confirm it. I guess his source was, unfortunately, right.
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Jeeze
i mean, i know i didn’t really watch him play much, but it’s not really what he did in the NBA that made me feel really bad, it’s what he was doing for his native country of Sudan. My dad (a life long warriors fan) talked to me about Bol, even though he didn’t really play for them much. But regardless, the guy supported his country so much he’d LITERALLY do anything for them, i dont know who in their right mind could think he wasn’t a good guy
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
It wasn’t that. Tolbert knew the guy and liked him. He just mentioned in passing on the air about Bol, who had returned from Sudan.
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
That’s really something. I had no idea that he mentioned it, wow, and you know, i really had no idea what he really went through, what with traveling to Sudan to support his country, going every which way to make money, and also going through that car accident in that cab. it’s really sad
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
I don’t even want to imagine what borked line up we’ll see tomorrow. I know for a fact that bork will find someway to put bengie in the DH spot and up in the order. We’ll definitely have a scott sighting as well, hopefully uribe finally gets a day off.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Fun Fact
The Giants have lost 12 games when allowing 3 runs or less, 2nd most in the majors behind the Cubs. 5 of these losses have been pitched by Matt Cain.
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
This is a disturbing fact
I’m really glad bengie molina is on this team.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
I am very seriously disturbed . . .
. . . by what I learned today about Molina’s contract (check upthread). His incentives for games started at catcher, which incentives could easily reach 1.5 million dollars, run up to 115 games started at C. Considering that Whiteside is inked in for 20% of all starts (JSanchez), to get Molina to his max incentives leaves exactly 15 appearances available (at most) for Posey in the entire season.
Does anyone here want to place a bet against Bochy trying his mightiest to give an aging, inadequate catcher his max incentive bonus however he can? All becomes shockingly and frighteningly clear.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
You don’t think it’s already frighteningly clear? We were discussing this earlier in the thread and we were all saying that he will get that no problem, and then some. What worrys me is I think that bork and sabean are convinced that they can’t win without molina and need him to “get hot”. It’s as if they don’t realize molina cripples the team and shortens the line up significantly. Not only that but his defense is terrible, people run on us as if johnny damon is behind the plate, and oh yeah LOL “WILD PITCH”.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
There's a difference.
Bochean being stupid is one thing. We talk about it all the time here, and I incline strongly to the belief that it is so.
But playing Molina independent of any confused, fuzzy idea of his worth mainly or wholly so that he can be rewarded for, I don’t know, career gaminess (smelling gamy?) with incentive money is a whole other level of vileness. I am not saying that Bochy has consciously said to himself "I’ll play Bengie no matter how terrible he is, just so’s he can get the money I never did"; but I cannot escape the strong suspicion that subconsciously that is very much biasing his decision-making.
As for Sabean, who can say? I have quite enough trouble understanding the minds of intelligent, sane people.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
The "Good Luck, Sanchy" Lineup
RF Torres
2B F Sanchez
LF Huff
3B Uribe
DH Burrell
1B Posey
SS Renteria
CF Rowand
C Whiteside
P J Sanchez
They could be Giants...but not really.
I’m glad that Panda is getting a day off, but I hope that this isn’t the beginning of Renteria playing every single game.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
eww
Adopted father of Eric Surkamp, the next great big-eared soft tossing lefty in SF Giants History!
by Speedforthewin on Jun 20, 2010 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I would be more accepting of this lineup if Nate was in there instead of Rowand
Adopted father of Eric Surkamp, the next great big-eared soft tossing lefty in SF Giants History!
by Speedforthewin on Jun 20, 2010 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions
This reminds me of the classic Felipe Sunday afternoon lineup.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. Because all 50th Round picks go to heaven (or at least extended spring training).
Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
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