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minor lines, 6/15/10

Highlights from the Giants' farm: Brandon Belt hit 2 HRs while reaching base five times, John Bowker homered again while reaching base three times, and Steve Holm reached base in all four plate appearances.  Also notable, Madison Bumgarner allowed 2 ER in 6.0 IP, and San Jose had six hitters with at least three hits.

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AAA: Fresno defeated Portland 9-2

Fresno: SS Edgar Renteria: 2 for 2, BB
Fresno: LF John Bowker: 2 for 4, HR, BB, GiDP
Fresno: C Steve Holm: 3 for 3, 2B, BB

Fresno: SP Madison Bumgarner: 6.0 IP, 8 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 0 BB, 1 K--1 E
Fresno: RP Osiris Matos: 1.0 IP, 1 K
Portland: SP Cesar Carrillo: 3.2 IP, 12 H, 7 R, 7 ER, 2 BB, 2 K--1 HR, 1 WP

Bowker homered for the third straight game.  Holm reached base in all four of his plate appearances, with the three hits raising his AVG to .260.  In his second rehab game, Renteria reached base in all three plate appearances.  Every Grizzly in the lineup had at least one hit.

Pitching on seven days rest following his brief suspension, Bumgarner allowed just 2 ER in 6.0 IP to improve his W-L record to 7-1 through thirteen starts.  He did have a season-low 1 K and a 7/7 GO/FO line.  Matos pitched a perfect 7th inning after having allowed 7 ER over his previous three appearances.  Carrillo, the Padres' first round pick five years ago, allowed a season-high 7 ER.

AA: Richmond defeated Binghamton 5-2

Richmond: LF Thomas Neal: 1 for 2, 2B, BB, HBP
Richmond: 3B Conor Gillaspie: 2 for 4

Richmond: SP Clayton Tanner: 6.0 IP, 6 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 6 K

Neal reached base three times, including once via his 16th double.  Gillaspie, one of two Flying Squirrels with two hits, raised his AVG back above .240.

In his twelfth start of the year, Tanner had a season-high 6 K.  With just his second quality start over his last six starts, he lowered his ERA to 3.65.

A+: San Jose defeated High Desert 15-11

San Jose: 1B Brandon Belt: 4 for 5, 2 HR, BB
San Jose: 2B Charlie Culberson: 3 for 5, 2B, HBP, GiDP
San Jose: 3B Joel Weeks: 3 for 4, 2B, BB, SO
High Desert: DH Dennis Raben: 3 for 4, 2 HR, BB, SO

San Jose: SP Eric Stolp: 4.1 IP, 8 H, 8 R, 8 ER, 3 BB, 6 K--4 HR, 1 WP
San Jose: RP Edwin Quirarte: 1.0 IP, 2 K
San Jose: RP Jason Stoffel: 1.0 IP, 2 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 1 BB, 2 K--2 HR

Belt hit his 7th and 8th HRs while having four hits and reaching base a fifth via a walk.  Culberson and Weeks, two of five Giants with three hits, reached base four times.  Raben, the Mariners' second round selection two years ago, was one of two Mavericks with 2 HRs.

With winds officially blowing at 23 mph from RF to LF, Stolp allowed a season-high 8 ER.  He allowed 4 HRs after having allowed just 2 HRs previously this year.  Quirarte had 2 K in a perfect 8th inning.  Stoffel allowed a couple more big flies in the 9th inning--the first HRs he has allowed in his pro career.

A-: Augusta lost to Charleston 4-3
(allowing a run in the bottom of the 9th inning)

Augusta: LF Daniel Cook: 3 for 4
Augusta: RF Ryan Lollis: 2 for 4, 2B

Augusta: SP Jeremy Toole: 5.1 IP, 6 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 0 BB, 4 K--1 HR, 1 HB

Cook and Lollis combined for five of the GreenJackets' seven hits, with Lollis's 7th double being their only XBH.  They raised their respective AVGs to .267 and .294.

After four straight starts with at least 6.0 IP, Toole fell a bit short of that mark today.  His ERA remains below 2.50, though.

DSL: Giants defeated Cubs2 13-0

Dominican: CF Jesus Galindo: 4 for 5, 2B
Dominican: SP Juan Nova: 5.0 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 3 K--1 HB
Dominican: RP Marvin Barrios: 4.0 IP, 1 H, 6 K

Undeterred by hitting in the final spot of the batting order, Galindo (19.9 y.o.) had four hits, raising his AVG to .227.  He hit .244 in 168 AB a year ago.  Nova (18.8 y.o.), making his third pro start, and Barrios (17.8 y.o.), making his second pro appearance, combined for the shutout.

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BELT.

Dude’s svelte.

.277/.399/.518 out of a shortstop?!

Keep on, keepin' on, Ryan Cavan

by ryanmiles on Jun 15, 2010 10:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Fast track that Baby Giant!

The money lies in the RBIs
-- Jeff Kent

by hokysmksbw on Jun 15, 2010 10:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Tanner a prospect again?

9/3 GO/FO line is nice. He’s walking a few too many this year and his Ks are worrisomely low on balance, if good tonight, but that 60+% GB% is back, and that I like.

by wcw on Jun 15, 2010 10:56 PM PDT reply actions  

His stuff is just so dinky, though. I can’t believe he’s got any chance of getting major league hitters out with it. Pat Misch at this level was a power pitcher by comparison.

My Bucardo is better than yours.

A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.

by Roger on Jun 16, 2010 3:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m puzzled as to why people are putting so much weight on ground-ball percentage these days. Did I miss a memo, or an important scrap of research?

All else being equal, a ground-ball pitcher has some clear advantages over a fly-ball pitcher. But no GB% can even begin to make a 4.1 k/9 pitcher interesting.

by Evan on Jun 16, 2010 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Batted ball bias.

Ask me about my blog.

by xanthan on Jun 16, 2010 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

we'd all rather have Jorge Bucardo

but prior to this level, for a lefty, Tanner’s k% was adequate, his velocity is adequate, and he’s young. last year, though, his similarly-adequate gb% seemed to evaporate, so I wrote him off. if it’s back (and it seems to be) and his k% comes back (and recent starts have been promising), maybe we shouldn’t write him off.

by wcw on Jun 16, 2010 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

What I’m saying is that his diminished gb% last year made no difference to me, nor does its current rise imake any difference. (2009 was actually a much better year for Tanner than 2008 or 2010, because he finally got a decent strikeout rate going.) Do you have some concrete reason to believe gb% is especially important in appraising pitching prospects?

by Evan on Jun 16, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

GB's go for fewer extra base hits and home runs

Thus they are more desirable than non-GB’s.
However, I would look at that third after K rate and walk rate.

Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all

McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.

by baetown415 on Jun 16, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think Fangraphs has done some work suggesting that because of superior Major League infield defense, minor league groundball pitchers with low strikeout rates will do better than their MLEs suggest. They aren’t necessarily going to be great, but they can turn out better than their minor league stats suggest they would be.

I feel prickishly demanding!

I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.

by giantsfansince1981 on Jun 16, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

that sounds plausible …

by Evan on Jun 16, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting stuff here. There are links in that article to the past articles as well.

by marcello on Jun 16, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

But his velocity isn’t at all adequate. Any time I’ve seen him (going back to his year in the Sally and now in the EL) he works with a fastball at about 86-87 consistently and off speed stuff in the high 70s/low 80s. Nor does he have particularly good movement or noticeably great spot command.

My Bucardo is better than yours.

A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.

by Roger on Jun 16, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Belt – for the season: .394/.509/.633/1.142 with 8 HR, 25 2B, 52 BB, and 55 RBI

I believe that BS has told him he won’t get promoted until he gets his average over .400 and stops walking so much. LOL

Let’s hope they give him the ticket to Richmond as soon as he finishes playing in the Cal. vs. Car. All-Star Game next Tuesday. The game is in Carolina, so they can save some $$$$ for Sabes’ buffet table if they just send him on to Richmond after the game.

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

by Fla-Giant on Jun 15, 2010 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

After looking at that stat line, I had to change my pants.

I feel prickishly demanding!

I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.

by giantsfansince1981 on Jun 16, 2010 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Incredible

But bork and sabean will say “You don’t get our of the minors by walking and hitting singles” BORK BORK BORK.

"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."

by sfgiants420 on Jun 16, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

that line looks vaguely familiar...

.359/.412/.597/1.009, 12 HR, 25 2B, 23 BB, 59 RBI

by druncan on Jun 16, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Congrats SJ Giants!

They clinched the first half division crown with their win! They have a 5.5 game lead over Modesto with 4 games to play.

Five SJ Giants will go to the Cal League vs. Car. League All-Star Game next Tuesday:
Belt, JC Perez, Westcott, Fitzgerald and Surkamp. Their skipper, Brian Harper will be the head coach for the Cal League All-Stars, so expect all of the little G’s to get plenty of playing time.

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

by Fla-Giant on Jun 15, 2010 11:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Sixth straight first half title for the Li’l Giants. Man if they could just bottle that success and ship it north. That’s with 4 different managers, isn’t it? Kim, Decker, Skeels, and now Harper?

My Bucardo is better than yours.

A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.

by Roger on Jun 16, 2010 3:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Marvin Barrios - keep your eye on him

Barrios is an intriguing prospect. He’s a 17 year old pitcher from Panama City, Panama. He’d probably get blown over by a gust of wind, cuz he’s 6’3" and only 145 pounds.

He’s only pitched in 2 games so far, but has given up 0 runs and only 3 hits in 6 innings – with 1 BB and 7 Ks. Batters are only hitting .143 against him, and for a RHP, he handles lefties very well.

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

by Fla-Giant on Jun 15, 2010 11:28 PM PDT reply actions  

If he’s got any velocity or any quality offspeed stuff that’s a pitcher I’d like to keep tabs on. If 6’3" 145 at 17 can turn into 6’5" 230 pounds or so, then boy will he be sumthin’.

Goodbye, Steven Johnson, we hardly knew ye. Seriously, that was short.

by quincy0191 on Jun 16, 2010 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

When he signed, Barr called him a power arm that threw in the low-90’s.

Hector Sanchez: Underrated. Fighting body bias since the 2009 off season. I still love you, son, even if you're fat.

by tedfordfan on Jun 16, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

His GO/AO = .38

So he gets a lot of fly balls. He seems to throw up in the zone, but still survives (leading me to think he does have good velo and a lively FB).

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

by Fla-Giant on Jun 16, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

hard fastballs up in the zone are the ones that get swingthroughs

by wcw on Jun 16, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think he was an international signing who got a significant bonus last year.

by Dan from NM on Jun 16, 2010 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I want...

…Charles in charge!

I must admit, Culberson is starting to make a believer out of me. He’s certainly found something new and is simply pounding the ball on a consistent basis. Almost as importantly, he hasn’t had a K in 5 straight games – so his power surge has not been a product of blindly swinging for the fences. Let’s see how he’s doing a month from now.

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

by Fla-Giant on Jun 15, 2010 11:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Hey

Any guy who can do this:

Is cool with me

Proud of both my adopted son, Baggs, and my ward, Ryan LOLlis.

by grape on Jun 16, 2010 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hope they move Belt up soon!

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on Jun 15, 2010 11:47 PM PDT reply actions  

srsly

Maybe Sabes is waiting for everyone to just intentionally walk him all the time, so there’s no way to avoid it?

Goodbye, Steven Johnson, we hardly knew ye. Seriously, that was short.

by quincy0191 on Jun 16, 2010 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Clearly hasn’t proven himself.

I feel prickishly demanding!

I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.

by giantsfansince1981 on Jun 16, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Positive, hopeful spin: they learned not to overreact to SSS like they did with Crawford last year.

I’m hoping that they let him play in the CAL-CAR all-star game and then keep him on the East Coast at AA.

Hector Sanchez: Underrated. Fighting body bias since the 2009 off season. I still love you, son, even if you're fat.

by tedfordfan on Jun 16, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Negative spin, they think he lacks power and aren’t interested in a singles hitter with plate discipline because they don’t care about plate discipline.

I don’t think this is the case, and more they’re just waiting to move him up. I think letting him get through the All-Star game makes sense. It’s a nice transition point, and half a year at AA is plenty of time to evaluate him/let him adjust. If they don’t move him up then, I’ll start to wonder.

I feel prickishly demanding!

I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.

by giantsfansince1981 on Jun 16, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hope they move Belt up soon!

I’d like to see him tighten up a notch or two.

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by leftymalo on Jun 16, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm going to see SJ next week Friday and Saturday

My heart hopes he’s still there. My head does not.

by marcello on Jun 16, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

What time is Friday's game?

Anyone up for a McCoven SJ Giants get-together?

Noonan. Nooooonan!

by Giant Fan in Singapore on Jun 16, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

CORREA!

And my ward Lolis.

Good job boys.

Proud of both my adopted son, Baggs, and my ward, Ryan LOLlis.

by grape on Jun 15, 2010 11:56 PM PDT reply actions  

oh hey

amid all the Belt hubbub, Thomas Neal finally inched his SLG over .400!

Now hitting .284/.345/.404 and rising every day!

Get back on the Neal bandwagon, kids, because it’s about to take off!

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on Jun 16, 2010 1:14 AM PDT reply actions  

I’m not really a fan of the 5.1% unintentional walk rate. His walk rates were never particularly good, but 5.1% for a big guy like him is deep in hacker territory. When that improves, I’ll be back on the bandwagon.

I was promised lasagna.

by Cookyman on Jun 16, 2010 5:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Neal is Big?

Not disputing the concerns about low walk rates, Cookyman, but I do have a question about seeing Neal as a big guy. I assumed that but was surprised when I saw him at Trenton that he did not stand out that way. So I looked him up — the stats say 6’1", 205. Knowing how they stretch those things, let’s say it’s more like 6’, 200, which is what he looked like. That’s no Jason Heyward. I liked how he was hitting the ball, but I don’t see him physically intimidating any pitchers in the Show.

by NearestNorwich on Jun 16, 2010 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd say 6'1" is correct.

He stood a little taller than me when we had our picture taken together last year in SJ, and I’m 6’ tall.

Noonan. Nooooonan!

by Giant Fan in Singapore on Jun 16, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

C’mon, the difference between 6’0" and 6’1" for an OF is meaningless. The important thing to note is his body-makeup, and Neal is a chiseled, physical specimen – with all the natural physical attributes to allow him to be a great player in the majors. The only thing that will stop him is what’s between his ears.

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

by Fla-Giant on Jun 16, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope you're kidding

I only commented that he is indeed 6’ 1" and that this stat isn’t fudged.

Noonan. Nooooonan!

by Giant Fan in Singapore on Jun 16, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

He’s definitely a legitimate 6’1. The three times I’ve interviewed him, I’ve had to look up to look him in the eyes (I’m 5’11"). Not like Timmy, who I was definitely a bit taller than.

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by BruteSentiment on Jun 16, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m hoping the walk rate gets better as he starts to hit better overall. Maybe was pressing a bit.

I feel prickishly demanding!

I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.

by giantsfansince1981 on Jun 16, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

His walk rates up to this point were all pretty decent, with 11+% last year. I also hope that as he continues to hit better, his walks follow.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on Jun 16, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bad blood in the high desert?

Look out for possible fireworks in the SJ vs. High Desert game tomorrow.

After Belt hit his 2nd HR of the game in the top of the 9th inning (to make the score 14-8), the very next batter, Culberson, was deliberately plunked – maybe on the next pitch. The Giants went with Stoffel in the bottom of the 9th, and he didn’t retaliate, so SJ still owes HD a payback. Look for it to come early in tomorrow’s game

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

by Fla-Giant on Jun 16, 2010 1:27 AM PDT reply actions  

Tyler Graham needs more love. I was at the game tonight and Graham’s triple was unreal. It was at most a double (one hop and hit the wall) and he legged out an easy triple. The guy has unreal speed

"But if he's swinging at real flies, well, in that case there are two definite solutions: 1) Fresno 2) Ritalin." - howtheyscored

by CPGiant756 on Jun 16, 2010 1:54 AM PDT reply actions  

Well I’d like to see where he is when his BABIP normalizes a bit. I am rooting for the guy big time though, because everytime I would listen to Bumgarners starts in Connecticut, they made him sound like a defensive god. Im pretty sure he could step in and be one of the better defensive center fielders in the league right now, its just up to his offense to catch up.

by superk1ng on Jun 16, 2010 4:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Defensive god did you say?

Andres Torres raises his hand…and catches what should have been a double.

I feel prickishly demanding!

I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.

by giantsfansince1981 on Jun 16, 2010 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

LOL High Desert boxscores

Things that can survive a nuclear holocaust: Cockroaches. Twinkies. Warriors fans. ...Also, Giants fans; but we'd find a way to blame the nukes on Brian Sabean.

by lurkers UNTIE on Jun 16, 2010 2:12 AM PDT reply actions  

Leonardo Fuentes (I believe the player that Renteria encouraged to sign with the Giants) is getting off to a nice little start in his pro career in the DSL, with a .295/.396/.500 line. Nothing earth shattering certainly, but a hint of patience, a hint of power. For comparison sake the highly touted (and paid) Miguel Sano is also in the DSL and hitting .316/.413/.579. Sano is 6 months younger (and a SS) but they’re both playing in their age 17 season. Fuentes is also the youngest position player on a Giants squad that’s generally a little old for the DSL.

My Bucardo is better than yours.

A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.

by Roger on Jun 16, 2010 3:37 AM PDT reply actions  

Here’s some hot Fuentes action for you, including pic and story in Spanish.

by Dan from NM on Jun 16, 2010 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bumgarner=Kirk Rueter

Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.

by rotorueter on Jun 16, 2010 6:26 AM PDT reply actions  

There are worse comps.

I feel prickishly demanding!

I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.

by giantsfansince1981 on Jun 16, 2010 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I could just change my handle to RotoAngryHobo

Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.

by rotorueter on Jun 16, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Steve, I don’t think it gets said enough, so let me say it again – thanks for your posts and all the work you do. These posts are one of the main reasons I keep coming back to this site.

by Sayhey on Jun 16, 2010 7:17 AM PDT reply actions  

Anyone here interested in taking a flier on Ian Snell?

Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!

by say hey nation on Jun 16, 2010 7:57 AM PDT reply actions  

Yes

He reminds me of felipe paulino, has great stuff but has lost his confidence due to losing culture and needs a change of scenery.

"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."

by sfgiants420 on Jun 16, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sure — his middle name is Dante.

I feel prickishly demanding!

I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.

by giantsfansince1981 on Jun 16, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hell no!

I was up in the Seattle area this past month, so I heard a few of his starts and he was awful. You just knew there was no chance the M’s were going to win even before the game, and based on some of his quotes after, it sounded like he either doesn’t have a clue that he sucks or doesn’t care. He’s not someone a winning team has in their rotation.

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by crazedcrustacean on Jun 16, 2010 10:22 AM PDT reply actions  

Who are you talking about?

The Giants don’t fare well against pitchers.

by SF Pete on Jun 16, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ian Snell

He was just released by the Mariners and cleared waivers, so he’s an unrestricted FA who can be signed for the League minimum.

My vote would be to see if he’ll sign a minor league contract and go to Fresno to work on his game. I would rather have Snell there, than Matt Kinney.

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

by Fla-Giant on Jun 16, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Average Stats

Does anyone know where to find the average line of hitters in a certain league? I’m trying to find what the average triple slash line is for a player playing in the Eastern League.

by KCE on Jun 16, 2010 10:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Thank you, sir. Poked around on BB-Ref earlier and couldn’t find it (or didn’t look closely enough).

by KCE on Jun 16, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

There is so much there

It can sometimes be hard to find exactly what you’re looking for.

by marcello on Jun 16, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not sure where to post this, so I’ll leave it here…

Profile: http://www.msnsportsnet.com/profile.cfm?id=101817

Morgantown native Andy Altemus signed a free agent deal with the San Francisco Giants

After starring for Morgantown High School and Morgantown Post 2, Altemus only had one Division I offer. The offer was from Youngstown State but Andy had always dreamed of wearing a Mountaineer uniform. He chose the Junior College rout and had two solid seasons at Potomac State under Coach Doug Little.

When he arrived at Hawley Field as a junior the lanky right hander had to once again battle the odds of not having a plus fastball. He earned his time on the mound with a nasty split finger fastball and pure determination and competitiveness.

They could be Giants...but not really.

by esseffgeez on Jun 16, 2010 11:05 AM PDT reply actions  

Don’t keep us in suspense – what college DID he attend?

"Row(and) will come out of this. You stay with your guys and he is one of our guys." - Bruce Bochy 05-31-10

"...and with Titanic's transverse bulkheads and watertight doors, it renders this vessel practically unsinkable." - "Shipbuilder" magazine, 1912

by Lyle on Jun 16, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sometimes dreams DO come true!

They could be Giants...but not really.

by esseffgeez on Jun 16, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

It states right in the blurb that he went 2 years to Potomac State JC. Obviously he graduated from there this spring, had no good offers from a 4-year college, so he just signed with the Giants as a FA.

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

by Fla-Giant on Jun 16, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Read again, padawan

It talks about his 2 years at the JC, then says “when he arrived at Hawley Field as a junior” – so I’d assume this was written from the perspective of whichever school he attended for his junior year, and that school’s ballfield is name Hawley Field.

"Row(and) will come out of this. You stay with your guys and he is one of our guys." - Bruce Bochy 05-31-10

"...and with Titanic's transverse bulkheads and watertight doors, it renders this vessel practically unsinkable." - "Shipbuilder" magazine, 1912

by Lyle on Jun 17, 2010 6:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're right

I’m now assuming that Hawley Field is the home of the WVU Mountaineers, and that Altemus was able to play his Junior year there this past Spring.

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

by Fla-Giant on Jun 17, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

That would seem likely

And btw, I enjoy all your prospect-related posts – keep up the good work!

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by Lyle on Jun 18, 2010 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

how did he arrive as a junior at a junior college? (all frosh and sophs there). After Potomac, did he move on to a 4 year? I tell ya, the suspense is killing me

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by foothillsfan on Jun 16, 2010 1:20 PM PDT reply actions  

It’s very early but it seems that Fuentes and Barrios were pretty good signs for 400,000 K. Perhaps come July 1st the Giants might be better served signing 5-7 latin prospects for 2-2.5 million rather than going after that one big fish.

by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Jun 16, 2010 9:50 PM PDT reply actions  

That’s usually always true. The record of the international FA with large signing bonuses is pretty dismal on the whole and especially so for the young hispanic kids with no playing record (Miggy Cabrera is the one big signing I can think of that was an undeniable hit — other than Migs, Wily Mo Pena might have had the best career of the huge bonus guys). Conversely, most of the superstars who have come from the Caribbean and points south (Pedro, Vlad, etc) have been pennies on the dollar signings. The record is really pretty clear that spreading your money broadly (through the use of development academies with lots of kids getting lots of coaching) is more efficient and productive than than blowing your budget on one or two “big impact” 16 year olds with heavy price tags.

That’s especially true as inflation hits the signing bonuses. 10 years ago Cabrera was a near record signing at $1.9 million (Byung Yun Kim and Chin Hui Tsao got $2.2 in I think the same offseason). Now he’s not even in the Top 10.

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by Roger on Jun 17, 2010 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree, and I would add that it applies to the USA amateur draft also. I think it is much better to spread $4M over 4-6 HS kids that fall to the middle rounds (3 – 10), for whatever reason, than to blow the whole wad on 1 HS top-10 pick. The history of the draft is so rife with failure (even in the top 10) that it’s best to spread out the risk.

It’s just too bad that you can’t trade draft picks in baseball. If you could, and I was a GM, then I would always be trying to trade my first rd. pick for multiple lower rd. picks (like Bill Belichick has done for the Patriots in the NFL draft the past few years).

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by Fla-Giant on Jun 17, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Although, generally speaking, the top 10 picks give you a much higher likelihood for impact talent than the rest of the draft put together.

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by Roger on Jun 17, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Even when you only look at top 10 HS picks? Surely you’re right when you compare the generic top 10 pick vs. a generic rd. 3-10 pick 1-to-1, the top 10 pick will on average be more successful. But, I bet if you ran a statistical analysis of the success rate of top 10 HS picks versus a handful (let’s say 4) of later rd. HS picks, that the handful of kids would win out. Of course, I would insist on stacking the deck in my favor by only putting highly-ranked kids that dropped out of the 1st two rds. due to bonus demands, college scholarships, injuries, or short-term performance drops.

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by Fla-Giant on Jun 17, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ll do a random survey on that in the near future. Though I have to point out that your scenario of people who fall out due to bonus demands sort of contradicts your notion of spreading out a little money on lower guys. Typically the one’s who fall due to bonus demands don’t lessen their bonus demands because of it.

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by Roger on Jun 17, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

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