You wonder if it occurs to the Giants that Posey easily could play first base, third base or a corner outfield in the long run, adding years to his career. Again, if you get that cleanup hitter, you can afford (post-Molina) to sign a light-hitting catcher who handles the pitching staff well.
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Yes, it has occurred to the Giants.
For this reason: face recognition.
I am certain that Sabean has realized Posey can sell more tickets playing first base than by being hidden behind catcher’s gear.
And wtf Smoltz about Pitch counts – wasn’t he always hurt himself?
"Sometimes when I get up in the morning, I feel very peculiar. I feel like I've just got to bite a cat! I feel like if I don't bite a cat before sundown, I'll go crazy! But then I just take a deep breath and forget about it. That's what is known as real maturity."
by cybermaldonado on Jun 12, 2010 11:47 AM PDT reply actions
I don’t know about that. Mauer owns Minnesota.
You want to see a walk? Then go watch the mailman.
by SeeingStars on Jun 12, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Plus they’ve been doing all right selling Bengie the last few years, haven’t they?
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"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Hey! Stop agreeing with me. I want a Posey/Panda C/3B platoon!
You want to see a walk? Then go watch the mailman.
by SeeingStars on Jun 12, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I think
It’s safe to say that Sandoval will never catch another game in his life.
I was promised lasagna.
do you mean posey?
because thats how i feel…
by projectmayhem713 on Jun 12, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
He'd need surgery on both knee's
Considering he’s over 300 pounds now and 5’11, he’d be out of the season after two games.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
yeah
Like Molina?
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"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Jun 12, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I mean, it’s obvious, but the thing a lot of the people calling for Posey to move to first or corner outfield don’t realize is that he is not going to hit .429 forever. He is going to be a good hitter. But he is not going to be anything special as a hitter for first base or left field or right field. As a catcher, he could very well be one of the best in the league. But if he’s a 1B/LF/RF, he’s unlikely to be anything special.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
But the Giants should try to get into the position to afford to sign a light-hitting catcher who handles the pitching staff well.
/trolling
by Grant Brisbee on Jun 12, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, seriously, why would you want a great hitting first baseman and a great hitting catcher when you can have a good hitting first baseman and a crappy hitting catcher?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
ahem
I think you can only copyright something if it exists in a reproducible form.
by KrazyKrabMeat on Jun 12, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I daresay you're right . . .
. . . but I happen to have the HTML code for copyright memorized, but not that for trade and service marks.
OK, I looked: Because it’s The Giants Way!®
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He will be special wherever he plays. He is obviously a special player. He would probably be much better than his peers at C, but that doesn’t mean he won’t be better at other spots. I think he would make a great SS. 1B seems like a waste, though.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 12, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I certainly think he could hit well enough to play any up the middle position. But those are a lot tougher positions to move to.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Let’s assume Posey would catch ~130 games. You want to trade ~20 extra games of Posey for ~130 games of a bad hitting catcher?
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
do not forget the daily wear and tear that catchers go through. not only physical but also mental. the kid can play and SF organization does have plenty of other positions that a ready, fresh 155 games Geraldo Posey can supply.
Plenty of catchers have been able to hit and catch. This issue is severely overstated.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
OTC, Baby
how many have done so with its organization have had concerns of strength/musculature and stamina about the kid? The guy is fairly new to the position, has a ton of baseball athleticism and should play 155 games a season.
I would love to see the Giants move him to either 2b, 3b, SS, RF.
concerns of strength/musculature and stamina
Back to this again?
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Jun 12, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
It's never been asked
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 12, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
"I would love to see the Giants move him to either 2b, 3b, SS, RF"
Me too. In a decade.
"That sort of thing only happens to white people."
- Kirby Puckett joking about the fairy-tale nature of his friend, Cal Ripken Jr., homering in his final All-Star Game
Yeah hittting catchers grow on trees
You can’t have both sides of the argument
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
These are two different, unrelated statments
- Players who can catch well and hit well are very rare.
- Of the catchers who can hit well, the majority manages to continue hitting well in spite of the wear and tear of catching.
There’s no contradiction here.
The first statement is obviously true. As for the second one:
Over the past 15 years or so, the only good hitting catcher I can spot who started declining at a really early age is Russell Martin, and, to a much lesser extent, Jason Kendell (who had 5 great years, then 2 bad years, then 2 good years, then was never good again). Both were overworked, catching over 140 games a year.
On the other hand you have Posada, Piazza, Pudge, Victor Martinez, and Javy Lopez, who all remained very good for a long time. Mauer and McCan are now in their 6th year catching in the majors, and are showing no sings of decline.
As long as he isn’t overworked, Posey should do just fine for at least for 4-5 years. If, after, those years, we see that he’s a good enough hitter to be a really good player at another position, and decide that we want to re-sign him, THEN we can start talking about giving him either the Victor Martinez treatment (splitting time between 1B and C), or the Biggio treatment (just moving him to 2B/3B/OF), depending on just how good his bat is, and how well his legs are doing.
I was promised lasagna.
by Cookyman on Jun 12, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Compared to what?
Saying “remained very good” is meaningless unless there are some grounds for comparison with what sorts of hitters they might have been with less catching in the mix. That’s why studies try to use men with comparable early-career stats but who play at different positions, to see how the position tends to affect the hitting.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Uh, I apologize for not conducting an actual scientific research for the purpose of this comment.
I didn’t try to argue that catching doesn’t affect hitting, only that most catchers can take 5-6 years of catching without falling apart.
I was promised lasagna.
rec'd above
especially since Timmy, Cain, Sanchy are here now and through much/all of those 5-6 years.
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"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2010 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Where it shows up . . .
. . . is down the line, in later years. As best I recall, studies show that if you compare the careeres of players whose first couple of years or so (I’m not sure of the comp periods used) were very much alike for batting and sort them by primary position played, those who decay worst are #1, catchers, #2 second basemen, #3 everybody else. More or less.
Posey could be a highly useful player catching 108 games a year and playing 1B another 27 games (see the proposed rota elsethread).
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Another thing to remember
Is that Posey is young in catcher years. Most catcher make it to the majors after at least 2-3 full years of catching in he minors, as well as a few more in high school or college (or Latin America). Posey has caught in only one minor league season, and only 2 college seasons. So he’s fresher than most catchers were when they made the majors.
I was promised lasagna.
Just like pitchers and women, it’s not the age, it’s the mileage that you worry about.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Though
Of the catchers mentioned above, the one most similar to Posey in mileage was Russell Martin, who only caught for two years in the minors, and was a 3B in college. So I don’t know what to make of that.
But, like I said, the guy was seriously overworked. The morons let him catch 139 game in his rookie year, 145 in his 2nd year, and 149 (!!) in the 3rd. It was during that year that he started losing his power (.330 SLG and only 3 HR in the second half).
I was promised lasagna.
And even then, there’s a correlation/causation risk by automatically linking his decline with overuse (which you’re not explicitly doing) instead of linking it with his blackened soul.
by Grant Brisbee on Jun 12, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
And what compounds that is that a bunch of those non-catching days often saw him at 3rd base, so he virtually NEVER got a true day off. Way to go Joe Torre!
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
This is getting ridiculous
You’re saying that Posey would be a “special” hitter even at 1B, and can play a great SS? You do realize that you’ve just declared that he is Alex freaking Rodriguez at his absolute prime, right? Because that’s the only player in the HISOTRY OF THE FUCKING GAME who fits that description.
40 great PA’s, and he’s an inner-inner circle HOFer as far you’re concerned? Are you serious?
I was promised lasagna.
And, quite frankly, the “save his career” argument is dumb as well. The Giants have control over Posey for six years (it could have been 6 1/2, but they brought him up early this year, so… um, yeah). That’s it. After that, he’s a free agent and there is absolutely NO guarantee that he’ll sign with the Giants. The very idea that we have to worry about Posey when he’s 35 is romantic and idyllic and all, but it’s also stupid.
Hector Sanchez: Underrated. Fighting body bias since the 2009 off season. I still love you, son, even if you're fat.
what about 3b with Sandoval at 1b?
if and only if they can get another catcher (not a punch and judy guy) and Sandoval continues to have weight issues.
It’d be a lot easier for the Giants to find a good hitting 3B or 1B than another good hitting C.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
YES!!! This is the point. This. THIS. THIS!!! Why can’t we have a awesome first basemaner? There are a lot of them. Everyone else gets one. I want one too
lol
using “Giants” and “find a good hitter” in same sentence.
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"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
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by natteringnabob on Jun 12, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL SCHULMAN
This is like the KNBR callers dream gone wild, with a taste of giants front office puppet.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
This is Bruce Jenkins.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
oh
I get them confused, probably because they sound exactly the same and are ro and mo apologists.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
by sfgiants420 on Jun 12, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Might have more to do with the wake-n-bake.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 12, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
That one slugger
Is Pablo Sandoval, if he rights his ship of awesomeness we’re going to be just fine.
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take some pitches and look for something to hit?
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
by sfgiants420 on Jun 12, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
concede the high strike
only swing at pitches from shin to belt
The money lies in the RBIs
-- Jeff Kent
don't be afraid to hit with 2 strikes?
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
by sfgiants420 on Jun 12, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
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The team needs a legitimate power threat. Panda has never been a real power threat, he has developing power.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 12, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
He hit 25 HR and slugged .556 last year.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Wow, 25 home runs! That looks like “developing” power to me. Let me know when he consistently hits 35+
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 12, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
He was 22 years old.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
in the majors for his first full year, too
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
Not to mention he plays half his games at AT&T which supresses DINGERZ
Proud father of Mike Krukow (who is more than 3 times my age)
Grab Some Pine, Meat
Still cheering for Kevin Frandsen
John Bowker: One of the 3 best OF's on the Giants roster
I think you're a moron
but I can’t be sure. You’re probably not a moron. But what you said makes you sound like one.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
That depends . . .
. . . on your definitions. He is about a 1.6 PF, which is not “big slugger” but is quite respectable. Indeed, he was almost 1.7 last year, and that, which might be representative, is more than just “healthy”.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Power is a luxury
wanted, but not needed. I’d rather not pay the premium, which is usually legit prospects, while not in the offseason. IF Pablo gets adjusts some he can threaten the longball
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by Giant Voodoo on Jun 12, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
No trading away our prospects. I don’t care about anything else—-go ahead and take on expensive contracts (Mike Lowell), or sign one of the pitching divas (Pedro or Smoltz) but no trading Brandon Belt, or Brandon Crawford, or the like.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
No Untouchables
you wouldn’t trade a BCrawford? I would like to see the development of Belt at The MeatGrinder before I say I wouldn’t trade the fella. Neal, Bumgarner, – do we have any other prospects – they are all on the table to be dealt
Not for a rental.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Corey Hart
The organization has given up on Nate and Bowker, and there is not much OF help coming with Neal or Roger anytime soon.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Jun 12, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I wonder.
It’s early days, relatively. If Neal exploded and burned up the EL for the rest of the season, it’s not impossible for him to be moved, with reasonable safety, to the big club. Outstanding players—which he would have to show that he is—can make the jump from AA to the bigs, and have been doing so for maybe 20 years now.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Others to consider
I could see Dayton Moore and Brian Sabean work on a deal for either David DeJesus or Jose Guillen.
Only want Guillen if we give up Rowand
I’m a DDJ fan though
Proud father of Mike Krukow (who is more than 3 times my age)
Grab Some Pine, Meat
Still cheering for Kevin Frandsen
John Bowker: One of the 3 best OF's on the Giants roster
Would rather they worked on a deal for Gordon, as 3B is slim too.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Jun 12, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Corey Hart scares me
He apparently is a below average defensively and has just tapped into his DINGERZ gland this year, in a ball park made for DINGERZ. I think he’d be a decent acquistion but wouldn’t be a good clean up hitter and I wouldn’t trade a top 10 prospect for him.
Proud father of Mike Krukow (who is more than 3 times my age)
Grab Some Pine, Meat
Still cheering for Kevin Frandsen
John Bowker: One of the 3 best OF's on the Giants roster
I agree. They’ll want waaaay too much for him based solely on the season he’s having right now.
Fuck Armageddon, this is hell.
Good thing we don't have a GM who will overpay in trades, and relies on SSS
…wait
Proud father of Mike Krukow (who is more than 3 times my age)
Grab Some Pine, Meat
Still cheering for Kevin Frandsen
John Bowker: One of the 3 best OF's on the Giants roster
Sabean wants to trade Crawford, Madison Bumgarner, and all our top prospects for Alfonzo Soriano
Also why not sign Carlos Delgado when he is healthy in the middle of the year to get us in the playoffs. If we had Delgado he could probably hit 10 hrs and we could have him start at first, pinch hitting. Posey could take over most catchers playing time, play at first, and pinch hit. Bengie could continue to play some at catcher, pinch hit in clutch. Pat the Bat pinch hits and occasionally plays in out field. Pablo stays at third
"Who Wants some pudding pops?, delicious and nutritious!
Hm
“The rotation is fine. The bullpen, glitches aside, is solid. If you start the lineup with Andres Torres, Freddy Sanchez, Pablo Sandoval, Aubrey Huff, Juan Uribe and Buster Posey, that’s six good hitters – period.”
Agree or disagree?
agree, i think...
i think our rotation is way better than “fine” though ,and he completely forgot the eyes sores that are hitters 7 and 8
in soviet russia, run scores you!....and giants still have terrible offense
by slackersphere17 on Jun 12, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
If we had signed jon garland, our rotation would be without a doubt the best in baseball. Unfortunately we have a wild card 5th starter for the second season in a row, madbum save us pls.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
by sfgiants420 on Jun 12, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
If 7 and 8 are Burrell and Nate
…that really shouldn’t hurt your eyes
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Agree. Just need Whiteside > Molina and a power hitter and we could go places maybe.
I like how he didn’t mention Rowloland.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 12, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah
I was surprised to agree. It’s probably still a bit early to think Torress will continue as he has but overall those six are actually pretty good.
by Into the Void on Jun 12, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Torres
370 PA as a Giant with a 135+ wRC+
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He ended with TWO periods. How could you disagree?
by The Double Deuce on Jun 12, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Problem solved.
Platoon the Panda and the Posey between FB an C.
"Sometimes when I get up in the morning, I feel very peculiar. I feel like I've just got to bite a cat! I feel like if I don't bite a cat before sundown, I'll go crazy! But then I just take a deep breath and forget about it. That's what is known as real maturity."
by cybermaldonado on Jun 12, 2010 12:14 PM PDT reply actions
I don’t want one of our better hitters spending all their time on Facebook.
by The Double Deuce on Jun 12, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Aww crap. Fined by the abbreviation police again. My life is a total waste….
"Sometimes when I get up in the morning, I feel very peculiar. I feel like I've just got to bite a cat! I feel like if I don't bite a cat before sundown, I'll go crazy! But then I just take a deep breath and forget about it. That's what is known as real maturity."
by cybermaldonado on Jun 12, 2010 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions
This is a stupid idea
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 12, 2010 12:20 PM PDT reply actions
This
Proud father of Mike Krukow (who is more than 3 times my age)
Grab Some Pine, Meat
Still cheering for Kevin Frandsen
John Bowker: One of the 3 best OF's on the Giants roster
is a smart comment
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga... CHONE WAR projection= 12.7
Current Team: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Molina, Renteria, Schierholtz... CHONE WAR projection= 12.6
The Giants developed several catchers who had respectable careers (Yorvit Torrealba comes to mind) and let them slip away. Shouldn’t Eli Whiteside at least get a look? He seems to be a gamer, and the pitchers like throwing to him.
I can’t tell if you’re serious when you list gamer as an actual attribute but I totally agree with you.
You want to see a walk? Then go watch the mailman.
by SeeingStars on Jun 12, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Really?
Dude’s 30 years old and has never hit in the minors. You guys really think he could be a solid starter?
by The Double Deuce on Jun 12, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
/goes to Whiteside’s BR page and realizes Natto sponsors it.
/LOLs.
by The Double Deuce on Jun 12, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I like Eli. As a backup I mean.
You want to see a walk? Then go watch the mailman.
by SeeingStars on Jun 12, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m sure that many will disagree, but I think that Buster Posey should be kept away from squatting behind the plate as much as possible. Offensive talent such as his shouldn’t be abused.
People still don’t recognize when Natto copypastes sfgate comments?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
What she isn’t telling you is that those are Natto’s comments.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jun 12, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
/Mike Piazza
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD!
mccoven diversity: Romosexuals, Velezbians, Nerb's--they're all here...
by greatgiantfan on Jun 12, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
OT: FRED LEWIS LOL
That was not awesome, baby.
In one of the odder moments we’ll see all season, college basketball announcer Dick Vitale experienced a scary moment when he was hit by a line drive in the Tropicana Field stands at the start of Thursday’s game between the Tampa Bay Rays and Toronto Blue Jays.
The incident happened on the first pitch of the game as a blast from Toronto’s Fred Lewis(notes) rocketed into Vitale’s season-ticket seats by the third base dugout and hit him square in the ribs.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
fuckin love that freddy kid
in soviet russia, run scores you!....and giants still have terrible offense
by slackersphere17 on Jun 12, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jun 12, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
My apologies
I was so excited upon reading it I had to post it, FREDEMPTION <3<3<3.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
As I keep saying . . .
. . . all that’s needed is two things: excise the Molina cancer, and use what’s left intelligently. Sad to say, one is about as likely as the other. I will take the liberty of repeating here something I originally included in a FanPost, a proposed rotational use of the available players (here modified by substituting Burrell for Bowker):
Player : Day # 1 2 3 4 5 6 days used Torres CF x CF CF RF CF = 5/6 Schierholtz RF RF RF RF x RF = 5/6 Burrell x LF LF x LF LF = 4/6 Rowand LF CF x LF CF x = 4/6 Uribe 3B 2B SS x 2B SS = 5/6 Renteria SS SS x SS SS x = 4/6 FSanchez 2B x 2B 2B x 2B = 4/6 Huff 1B 1B 1B 1B 1B x = 5/6 Sandoval x 3B 3B 3B 3B 3B = 5/6 Posey C C x C C 1B = 5/6 Whiteside x x C x x C = 2/6
(Bowkermaniacs can substitute his name for Rowand’s.)
That is a set of lineups that will score some runs—enough runs, with any reasonable projection of the current pitching, to very seriously contend.
Right now, based on what has actually gone forth between the white lines (as opposed to projections from career stats), the Giants look like the 5th-best team in the majors, heading for 96 wins. Regrettably, the 4th best is Colorado, projecting to 98 wins (and San Diego also for 96 wins). I realize that the current W/L columns differ, but if luck evens out, that’s what current performance levels suggest. (Current actual wins pro-rate to 89, and current actual R/OR numbers project to 94 or 95 wins; actual batting and pitching component stats project to that 96.)
And all that was achieved with grotesquely inefficient use of the available talent. Follow the rota listed above, or a reasonable facsimile, and this is a somewhat above-average run-scoring club. So No, please, no whopping mid-season trades, except to dump the Molina and, perhaps, Rowand (unless some super-bargain could be found requiring no great investment of talent in the trade—ha!).
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
It’s the mid-season ‘contention’ move that makes me the most nervous.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 12, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Too much Rowand
I see where you’re going with this, but would just prefer Torres in CF and Rowand as a 4th OF.
Even if Rowand improves and Torres regresses, I don’t see Roawand approaching Torres’ value.
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Agreed.
But I, at least, am a rock-solid believer in giving men occasional days off throughout the season, so a four-man OF rota is necessary. I’m not crazy about Rowand as the 4th guy, and still awaiting the late-reporting precincts before I call the election for Burrell as the 3rd, but I’d rather have some occasional Rowand than three guys trying to play the next 102 games in a row. If Bowker holds up at Fresno, I’d be quite willing to swap him in for Rowand (though with trepidation), but first you need for Rowand to recover a bit (so he’d have at least fringe/marginal trade value), then an actual trade (for which I’d take nobody meaningful in return, and even eat much of his salary).
Or the team could trade a young pitcher (the staff sems set for a good while to come) of real quality—say, just as an example, Wheeler—for an outstanding young outfielder (I’d take any OF position) at or close to the threshhold of major-league play. The non-OF positions are solid enough for now, even with the older guys like Huff, FSanchez, and Uribe, that there is no immediate (meaning for 2011) need to do anything major there; it is the OF corners that are questionable. (We don’t even know yet for sure that Schierholtz is what we hope he is.)
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Thank god, we aren’t being forced to watch scrubs blight sox. Phillies red sox = winner, plus dick stockton >>>>>>>>>> joe buck, to bad tim mccarver is doing color.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
But . . .
. . . any reasonably bright 12-year-old >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the aptly named Dick Stockton.
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On another board I frequent, someone likes to call him Dick Fresno.
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Wait this article must be a re-print
We already got Pat Burrell-we need don’t a power bat,
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Seriously though this is a terrible idea
if Posey isn’t the starting catcher next year, I’ll break things.
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So stupid
posey has the best arm I’ve seen for a catcher since ivan rodriguez in his prime, he is as much as as catcher as I’ve seen since joe mauer debuted.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
LOL
He is so stupid that even dick stockton is insulted by his lack of intelligence.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Good thing i’m not watching baseball today, until the giants game tonight
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"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
i'd rather feel that way about the Red SAUX
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Independent league signing FTW
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 12, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I think . . .
. . . that “once” is as many times as it can be done by any one person.
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way to go, Local Ties
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by greatgiantfan on Jun 12, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I bet he’s glad he signed that ridiculous over-priced extension, because he’d be lucky to get 3 years at 9 million after this year LOL.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
LOL SCHMOE JOE
brb giving up 1st pitch grand slam home run to a rookies first at bat LOL
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I really like Tyler Cannon on UVA
Oh, and sorry I left the GDT yesterday-but Ramirez was the other guy that ESPN showed as part of CSUF’s 1-2 punch
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Christian Colon with a relay throw strike to home plate to nail the runner. Me likey Christian Colon. Oh then leadoffs the bottom of the inning with a single to LF.
What channel are you watching on?
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by Giant among Angels on Jun 12, 2010 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
ah, it shows up on an alternative channel.
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by Giant among Angels on Jun 12, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
2B
If he’s not going to be a C (which I don’t recommend), Posey’s best position would be at 2B. Having seen him play the infield at FSU, I don’t think he has the range to play SS full-time, but 2B should be no problem. He has the quick feet and the strong arm to be able to turn the double-play with no sweat. 2B is where his bat would be such a huge advantage over the other 2B’s in the league.
That being said, the Giants have more, and much better, 2B (not to mention 1B, 3B, and LF) prospects coming up throught the minors now than they do at C. The only reason to move Posey off C, is if they can sign/develop another C that would be above-average behind the plate and with the bat. Not a likely prospect in the near future. Until then, Posey moves to C as soon as we can drop/bench Bengie – which is no later than the beginning of next year (unless Sabes pulls another brain fart and signs him for another year).
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One point of contention
the Giants have more, and much better, 2B (not to mention 1B, 3B, and LF)
I don’t think the Giants have any good 3B prospects.
I agree with the rest of what you said, though.
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The middle IF is going to be very questionable moving forward. Noonan and Crawford look like the best shots at sticking, but even they don’t seem that special.
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by cain1rstballothof on Jun 12, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe.
I am not expert in the Giants’ prospects, but is it not the case that Crawford, like Neal, remains possible, deoending on the next few months?
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Crawford’s value is at SS. At this point he just hasn’t done anything with the bat (beyond his first 4 week at SJ last year) to make any kind of case for hitting well enough to be an asset at 2B.
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Right.
But the issue was “middle infield”. SS Crawford is one half of The Maybe Kids®, the other being Brock Bond at 2B (see appropriate FanPost).
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I was replying on the assumption that the comment meant Crawford was a candidate to take over 2B.
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I just meant that by 2012 maybe one of Crawford or Noonan would pan out, meaning there would only be one hole to fill in the middle IF, which I presume would belong to Uribe.
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by cain1rstballothof on Jun 12, 2010 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm pretty high on Crawford
He is definitely a top 5 prospect. Not sure about Noonan
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Noonan is young so he has that going for him
but his OBP is awful this year.
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Hopefully he can have a good 2nd half
I’m more optimistic with him than I am with Kieschnick and Ford…and I guess if you throw Gillaspie into that group you can
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/high 5
He’s really improved his contract rate this year – only 20 K’s in 150 PA’s (13.3%). That’s really good. So the AVG shouldn’t stay in the .250’s for too long. His BB walk rate is back to being awful, though. I don’t know what last year was about. And he’s lost some power.
But I still like him!
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His skill set seems to change from one month to the next, but he remains one of the youngest players in the league, and it’s a very low-offense league this year. I still see a decent chance that the lightbulb goes on for him, and he starts hitting and doesn’t stop.
Yeah
I have no idea what type of hitter he is anymore, but he’s generally managed to flirt with league average despite always being young for the level he’s in, so he still looks like he might turn out to be a solid 2B one day.
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Depends on how you define prospect
Certainly Rohlinger and Downs are much more likely to be at least average MLB third-basemen, than any C that you can point to. Much less likely to ever come though, and surely much further away, would be Biery and Dominguez.
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Eh, I'd take Hector Sanchez over Downs and Rohlinger
I see them more as utility guys. I will agree that there isn’t a lot of depth at catcher, but I think the reason for that is because Posey is a can’t miss prospect which is why Jenkins article is stupid.
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LOL BLANTON
How much farther can you fall?.
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OHAI
Posey’s defense is plus. The Giants lied, or are dumb. Play him at catcher, where he will make the all-star team every year, be the darling of the town and nation, and if and when his contract is up, decide whether or not to re-sign him as a C or (if he really does fall off a cliff, like that lousy Joe Mauer) at 1B, or just let him go to New York and join the Randy Winn/Brett Tomko/Cody Ransom Pension Program as Timmy’s personal catcher.
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ask Don Imus
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SUCK IT ENGLAND
Bruce Jenkins is a fucking moron. Why do people read him again?
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people read bruce jenkins?
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
they must
he still has a job
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LOL lineup
Tonight’s Starting Lineup: Torres CF, Sanchez 2B, Huff RF, Uribe SS, Burrell LF, Posey 1B, Sandoval 3B, Molina C, Zito LHP
Mehlina sighting, no rowand = ftw.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Apparently bork thinks batman and mehlina are excellent defenders, plus without their bats the line would clearly would be screwed.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Huff in right with Zito on the mound? Fun times.
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by cain1rstballothof on Jun 12, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I'm a bit scared as well.
If Boch was smart we’d have Nate in RF, Burrel in LF and Huff at first. Then maybe that Catcher we have could play his position.
Jeaaaggaahh
by Soulbrother16 on Jun 12, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
That makes too much sense. When you’re moving two of your best hitters out of position for scraps you’ve gotta be a Bochy.
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by cain1rstballothof on Jun 12, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
lol what the actual fuck
uribe cleanup?! How many teams hit their fucking SHORT STOP clean up??
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Werd
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by cain1rstballothof on Jun 12, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess
but seriously. That makes no sense. And posey should be higher in the order already for the love of fuck
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5
have SS’s with wOBA’s over .340. Uribe is tied for 2nd with .356
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Crazy. Uribe should be in the starting lineup even when
Rent comes back from his injury
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agreed.
I like the rotation owlcroft posted above a lot.
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Great point
gives people rest and days off, so that works out extremely well, i agree
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They are really going to put Huff in RF?
LOL This will be pretty stupid
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 12, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
This reminds me of the the whole “Move Tim Lincecum to the Bullpen and Watch Him Dominate” argument.
Man, Aubrey Huff has been worth 2.0 WAR already this year WTF
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wow
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Has to be
No Miguel Cabrera.
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holy fuck Justin Morneau holy fuck
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Why do players playing the same position the the same league have slightly different positional ratings? Does it have to do with playing another position (DH in the AL)?
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Isn’t his BABIP still in the 400’s?
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Yeah, but it doesn’t change the fact that he’s been nuts so far.
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He's been incredible
I watched all of his and mauers at bats in the series they played against the A’s recently. morneau has a barry bonds esque eye, him and mauer have a flawless opposite field approach and really waste a fat pitch on the outside part of the plate.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Morneau has a pretty proven track record of being a hacker, I don’t know about Bonds-esque eye.
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Bonds-esque is a bit much, but ‘hacker’ seems pretty strong too. .358 career OBP and 68 walks per 162 games isn’t really hacker territory.
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His unintentional career walk rate is 8.5%, which is just about average. But for a guy with his power and lack of speed, it’s pretty bad.
This is the first time in his career that his O-Swing% is significantly higher than average (it’s exactly average this year). Maybe hacker is a bit strong, but he’s been impatient.
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I guess I was just looking at a SSS, but then again any hitter looks bonds esque with his eye compared to giants.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
He’s been taking tons of walks this year, but the .370 average probably has a lot to do with that. It’s possible that pitchers pitching around him that much forced to learn some discipline, though.
coughpablocough
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If pablo was patient, he’d get free walks all the time but instead he hacks at anything like it’s the last pitch he’ll see.
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.306
Not that much higher than his career .293
That’s the cool thing.
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My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
Current Pass Recipients: Posey, Whiteside, Huff, Sanchez, Torres, Uribe
Sure, but 2.1 fielding runs doesn’t seem ridiculous.
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I’m not going to argue with the 2.1 — could be about right, who knows — but I think we do know that Pujols is a much, much better fielder than Dunn, so that column provides an object lesson in the perils of SSS.
Well, yeah, but I think we can all agree that Aubrey Huff has been surprisingly awesome this year.
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Or maybe . . .
. . . in the very practice of rating fielding with such precision.
(Precision is not accuracy: if I say yesterday’s game first pitch was at 1:06:32:17 pm, I am strikingly precise—but if it was actually somewhere around 7:15 pm, I am awfully inaccurate.)
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There’s nothing wrong with precision in such numbers; you just have to recognize that the error bars are very high.
Disagree.
Stating a measure of which one is inherently quite unsure out to some degree of precision simply because it can be calculated to that precision leaves most observers with the impression that those decimal places have significance beyond the width of the maker’s calculator window.
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In other words
There’s nothing wrong with precision in such numbers; you just have to recognize that the error bars are very high. That many people fail to recognize that is the problem, not precision itself.
I generally agree, though. When I mention someone’s defensive numbers I tend to use very general descriptions (“great”, “averagish”, “poor”, “above average”).
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Oh man, I can’t wait for this to become a discussion about significant figures!
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Actually, I can't.
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GROUGTHINK ALERT
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Don't you try to out-semantics me
I currently can not wait for something that has already happened. If so, I am not waiting, but hoping it reoccurs.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
Or:
You are not currently waiting for something that has already happened, but before it happened you were waiting for it, and at the moment it happened, you had been waiting for it. (Past perfect tense.)
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My comment was in the present
And at the time, it would have been impossible for me to wait for it because of this:
Stating a measure of which one is inherently quite unsure out to some degree of precision simply because it can be calculated to that precision leaves most observers with the impression that those decimal places have significance beyond the width of the maker’s calculator window.
Which is, of course, a description of why significant figures are the only ones you use in a calculation.
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Yoo hoo
Or, more correct, “you” who? Many people, including not a few nominally in baseball analysis, use far more decimal places than are significant. In many cases, even the integer component is hazy at best. (My favorite example is park factors.)
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Oh FFS
Which is, of course, a description of why significant figures are the only ones you should use in a calculation.
I am positive you could work that out from the context.
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Replace . . .
. . . “you” with “one” and I’m fat and happy. In fact, I’m fat anyway. Sort of.
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also
SSS and all, but Dunn seems to be taking to 1B in an acceptable fashion so far.
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It's crazy
I think UZR had him at something like -25 at 1B (although that may have been SSS) and people were saying how much better he was.
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This is all still very early so it could mean nothing, but the Nationals swore that Dunn was still learning and getting comfortable at the position during his early time with the new team, so maybe there is something to that. It’s not like he played 1B regularly with the Reds.
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Yeah, if he can learn to play 1B adequately
then he’ll be amazing with his bat.
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IIRC, that was his ideal position when he came up
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by greatgiantfan on Jun 12, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m pretty that, as long as you have 4 limbs and at least 1 eye, it’s pretty much impossible to actually cost 25 runs at 1B.
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Yeah he's a DH playing in the NL
I’d love to have his bat in SF though
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LOL WHAT
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.390 OBP.
He has been a very pleasant surprise. I remember when we didn’t have a RF.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 12, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
it’s addition by subtraction
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by greatgiantfan on Jun 12, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
oh, wait
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by greatgiantfan on Jun 12, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Aarghh.
It just shows, again, how really, really easy to would be to have good squad out there: just ditch BM and it all falls into place: Posey back to C, Huff back to 1B, Schierholtz out in RF again.
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/bork notes molinas 2 hit performance from the previous night, says bengies back to star form
/bengie goes 0 for 4 with 4 pop outs to shallow right.
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“Mo had some great swings and got into hitters counts and just missed those 4 fastballs right down the middle flyed out on mmmmmmm”
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Just ditch BM.
That would work wonders.
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by cain1rstballothof on Jun 12, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
There would be a lot less "wild pitches"
I understand tim was a little errant in the first, but I personally think bengie should have blocked both of those wild pitches.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
I've been meaning to ask . . .
. . . about those (had to get the game by radio). How close were each of those WPs to being PBs? I really want to dislike BM, but I also want to be fair. Eyewitness accounts, anyone?
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I thought they both should have been blocked, they were wild pitches but if molina still possessed and lateral movement he’d have blocked them pretty soundly.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Yeah, this
I mean they were difficult, but Posey and Whiteside would’ve blocked them
Proud father of Mike Krukow (who is more than 3 times my age)
Grab Some Pine, Meat
Still cheering for Kevin Frandsen
John Bowker: One of the 3 best OF's on the Giants roster
this-ish
they were FBs that bounced before or on the plate, I thought he could have easily blocked the 2nd one, but the first took a pretty crazy hop
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Just ditch dump BM
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD!
mccoven diversity: Romosexuals, Velezbians, Nerb's--they're all here...
by greatgiantfan on Jun 12, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I really have to strain to see that happening.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
no splash hits for BM
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD!
mccoven diversity: Romosexuals, Velezbians, Nerb's--they're all here...
by greatgiantfan on Jun 12, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I bet Boch and Pat the Bat are going to love each other. I bet Sabean signs him up for next year too. Fucker.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Jun 12, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Finally
Carlos silva is going to lose, although he is gonna get cain’d.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
OT: i know this might be annoying since i didn’t really say much here… but POKEMONZ, drop Adam Lind for Brennan Boesch or Jonny Gomes?
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
annoying pokermanz OT is annoying
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD!
mccoven diversity: Romosexuals, Velezbians, Nerb's--they're all here...
by greatgiantfan on Jun 12, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Someone in my league just dropped Sandoval.
SORRY, CHIPPER JONES, BUT THERE’S A NEW UNDERPERFORMING THIRD BASEMAN SHERIFF IN TOWN!
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
THERE YA GO
so nevermind, i wont do anything about LInd then
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
he hit a 2 run dinger off jiminez last night
clearly elite pokemonz
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
or was it aaron hill?
I just know it was one of the two dudes on there teams battling the mendoza line.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
I get the two mixed
but Lind is SEVERELY underperforming, between him, Teixeira and Sandoval, i’m not sure who’s worse, oh and throw in Kinsler, that’s my team right there
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
LOL struggles
Sandoval is having a great year compared to lind and teixeira. Pablo is in his 2nd full season and is ridiculously overweight and pressing himself to much. Where as teixeira is one of the most over-paid, over-rated players in the game and I’m glad he won’t be starting in the all star game. No idea what the deal with lind is, probably just hacking away teixeira style and getting worse results.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
I mean, Mark was not too bad last year dude
Kinsler was just pathetic since he was hurt. Pablo should definitely be hitting better though, RBI wise
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
startin' to think about grub
marinated filet mignon, bbq’d + corn + sauteed spinaci + libation
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD!
mccoven diversity: Romosexuals, Velezbians, Nerb's--they're all here...
MMMMMM
that sounds pretty damn good. I’m going to Petars in Lafayette, with my dad and his fiance (whom i’ve never met)
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
yikes, let’s hope she’s older than you
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD!
mccoven diversity: Romosexuals, Velezbians, Nerb's--they're all here...
by greatgiantfan on Jun 12, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Bout dad's age... but she's cool
Don’t really mind her too much at all
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
i thought you haven’t met?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD!
mccoven diversity: Romosexuals, Velezbians, Nerb's--they're all here...
by greatgiantfan on Jun 12, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, kinda
she came over just a little bit ago, but we really haven’t talked yet, or much at all, this is just a lil weird
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
been there…just go along for the ride. Where did you stash your gf for the summer?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD!
mccoven diversity: Romosexuals, Velezbians, Nerb's--they're all here...
by greatgiantfan on Jun 12, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
She's in Cleveland while i'm here in the Bay Area
It’s just a little awkward, but i’ll take your advice, won’t see her much after this weekend or when i go to school
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
I had to witness both my parents confronting their ex’s latest squeezes from time to time; not terrible, but socially uncomfortable.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD!
mccoven diversity: Romosexuals, Velezbians, Nerb's--they're all here...
by greatgiantfan on Jun 12, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
YIKES
that would be very interesting. I mean, it’s just my Dad and his new wife, so i mean, my mom’s passed away a while ago, so to me, it’s just “get used to it and deal”
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
do you think your mom would approve?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD!
mccoven diversity: Romosexuals, Velezbians, Nerb's--they're all here...
by greatgiantfan on Jun 12, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Definitely!
and pretty much, that’s all that matters, and Dad’s happy, so i’m happy, it’s just, getting used to it. Same with moving out of this house
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
knowing that should help quite a bit, as long as she’s not a shrew
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD!
mccoven diversity: Romosexuals, Velezbians, Nerb's--they're all here...
by greatgiantfan on Jun 12, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
the one thing however i’m gonna have to do is get a dog for myself, since they’re taking our dog
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
aaagghhhh. but, you’ve been pretty much gone for awhile anyway
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD!
mccoven diversity: Romosexuals, Velezbians, Nerb's--they're all here...
by greatgiantfan on Jun 12, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Yea, been reallllly attached to my dog though for a while, we’ve had her for like 5 or 6 years, and she’s the greatest… but yea
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
dogs are the best
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD!
mccoven diversity: Romosexuals, Velezbians, Nerb's--they're all here...
by greatgiantfan on Jun 12, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL A'S
6/12/10 A’s lineup: Davis CF Barton 1B Ellis 2B Kouzmanoff 3B Cust LF Fox C Carson RF Pennington SS Sheets RHP
Cust at 3rd… pls giants hitters maximum doubles.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
So I won't be going to Toronto to catch Fred vs the Gigantes :(
I will, however, be at Fenway Park against the Dodgers. In the bleachers. Should be fun.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
WHAT THE HELL!!!!!
Toronto is WAYYYYY better than Boston
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
I just realized
Tampa, New York, Boston, and Toronto are the 4 best teams in the AL.
Poor Baltimore.
I was promised lasagna.
and their neighbor the Nats are getting a ton of pub with Strasburg and Harper,
Do not feel sorry for the Birds cuZ they have a ton of young talent
But so does Tampa. And Boston and NY have the money.
I wonder what their record would be if they were in the NL central.
I was promised lasagna.
The NL central is the worst division in baseball by a staggering amount. If you put the rays in the division instead of the reds or cardinals, they’d win 130 games.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
And Chris Tillman and Adam Jones.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga... CHONE WAR projection= 12.7
Current Team: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Molina, Renteria, Schierholtz... CHONE WAR projection= 12.6
The bat doesn’t look like it’s going to work out, but at least he’s a good defender.
I was promised lasagna.
I couldn’t think of anybody else.
Oh duh, Mark Weathers.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga... CHONE WAR projection= 12.7
Current Team: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Molina, Renteria, Schierholtz... CHONE WAR projection= 12.6
yeah but family decided not to go to Niagara falls, so I am staying in Boston all 5 days.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
Not a bad idea
Niagara is OK, i mean, it’s nothin special
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
OT: Oh hey sweet commercial for the All star game, Timmeh is in it
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
which network did you see that on?
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
yeah I just rewinded my tivo and saw that commercial, timmy sportin the shades yo.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Oh And good for that kid Daniel Nava from Redwood City for the Red Sox, first career at bat, GRAND SLAM
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Not only that, he did it on the first PITCH
2nd time in MLB history (Kouzmanoff did it too)
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
HEY I HAS A QUESTION
Did the Giants keep Posey down long enough this year to delay his free agency?
Eugenio Velez: Really fast... at getting picked off. SICK BURN!!
Yeah they got an extra year of team control
but he is likely to be a Super2
Proud father of Mike Krukow (who is more than 3 times my age)
Grab Some Pine, Meat
Still cheering for Kevin Frandsen
John Bowker: One of the 3 best OF's on the Giants roster
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