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No time for a full post today, which is a shame because it was scheduled to be the annual McCovey Chronicles Money Madness Post, in which I give away prizes and money and prizes. But the day job comes first today...

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What is the primary reason for Barry Zito's early success?
Sharper curveball, which also prevents hitters from sitting on a mid-80s fastball
84 votes
He's more focused/less distracted/not as pressured/etc....
130 votes
Better changeup and/or slider
67 votes
Improved location and command
237 votes
Improved luck, and not much more. His BABIP is insane right now.
62 votes
Socks. It's the socks.
400 votes

980 votes | Poll has closed

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He just found the right combination of starlets is all.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on May 6, 2010 12:29 PM PDT reply actions  

TEH STARLETS FINALLY ALINGED!

Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!

by say hey nation on May 6, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Zito is a cunning linguist when it comes to starlets

Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard

by SoFa King Mike on May 6, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

If they get tired of him they just tap him on top of the head.

It’s conjoined fail, attached at the fiasco. - Grant

by jhiat00 on May 6, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not just a cunning linguist

… but a master debater.

"The questions are so stupid. I don't believe in rivalries. I don't believe in curses. Wake up the damn Bambino, maybe I'll drill him in the ass."
- Pedro Martinez, asked about the Curse of the Bambino

by achiappanza on May 6, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

allegedly

if Freddie Sanchez, Mark DeRosa and Aubrey Huff are the answer, I guess I just didn't understand the question.

by nogooddeed on May 6, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

His unsustainable HR/FB rate!

Ask me about my blog.

by xanthan on May 6, 2010 12:30 PM PDT reply actions  

SUSTAINABLE

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on May 6, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

It seems fairly impressive that his FIP is only 4.05 despite no HR given up so far AND a low BABIP.

He’s also improved his groundball rate markedly though… I wonder if that’s made a difference for him.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on May 6, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I need to check out his slider, it appears that him throwing it 10%+ of the time has done something to him as a pitcher.

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by xanthan on May 6, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Its interesting that he’s changed his fastball usage the last couple years to the point where it’s almost like a change of pace pitch for him, rather than the pitch he works off of and builds off of.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on May 6, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

So that makes it normal.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on May 6, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

xFIP, you mean!

/adjusts nerd spectacles

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by xanthan on May 6, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

WOOPS

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on May 6, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

And FIP treats BABIP as a pitcher skill, in a sense. So, it’s not going to ding him for the .220 BABIP or whatever he’s got right now.

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by xanthan on May 6, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, it wouldn’t? I thought it involved normalizing BABIP and LOB%

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on May 6, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

See comment below.

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by xanthan on May 6, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Er, nevermind. I’m retarded.

Ask me about my blog.

by xanthan on May 6, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tell me something I don’t know.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on May 6, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

You want to marry changeups.

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by xanthan on May 6, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

aw yeah

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on May 6, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

BACK OFF BITCH CHANGEUPS ARE MINE

"The thing is, it happened."
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner

by walkoff baltimore chop on May 6, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think she knew that already.

Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller

by Johnny Disaster on May 6, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

DARN

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by xanthan on May 6, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well she’s wanted to marry so many people things some get forgotten.

Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!

by say hey nation on May 6, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

he’s also reduced his walk rate so far this year.

LOL…he’s got as much WAR so far this year as he had in 2008.

"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket

"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me

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by DrStankus on May 6, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think you mean

Fewer ho is.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on May 6, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

or more antibiotics

"I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."- Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti

"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw

"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)

by natteringnabob on May 6, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s got to be location/command. Even with the BABIP, he’s got the best FIP and xFIP of his career so far.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on May 6, 2010 12:32 PM PDT reply actions  

which

I assume is due to 2.55 BB/9 or whatever it is

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on May 6, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Isn't his BABIP something like .285?

That’s normal, right?

"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.

by hairball on May 6, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

more like .228

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on May 6, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

TOTALLY NORMAL

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on May 6, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

whoops

misread the fan projection line at fangraphs as the 2010 stat line. D’oh!

"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.

by hairball on May 6, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I haven’t checked but it seems to me (LOL EYES) like Tim, Barry and Matt have all had very command this year. They’re walking a lot less people.

Belted!

by AndYourBirdCanSing on May 6, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, of course they’ve had very command this year. Who hasn’t?

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on May 6, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

Belted!

by AndYourBirdCanSing on May 6, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

also

it’s “fewer” people.

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by bondslegend on May 6, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
Mr. F! | comics | art | New Nattowear | Unofficial McImage Directory

by Natto on May 6, 2010 12:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Only teh wussies like teh cats!

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by xanthan on May 6, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

sawx

Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond.
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's

by Giant among Angels on May 6, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

OBAMA IS HITLER CAT

Belted!

by AndYourBirdCanSing on May 6, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!

Goodbye, Steven Johnson, we hardly knew ye. Seriously, that was short.

by quincy0191 on May 6, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

The real reason is that Fred Lewis is no longer on the team to destroy his ERA.

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by xanthan on May 6, 2010 12:36 PM PDT reply actions  

I blame Sergio Romo’s face

Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard

by SoFa King Mike on May 6, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure what this means…

Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller

by Johnny Disaster on May 6, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

However, Agent Velez is waiting in the wings…

Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.

by Solidarity on May 6, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Combination of socks and BABIP

My Son.
2010 Giants: "The thing is, it happened."

by GiantPain on May 6, 2010 12:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Again, I call red herring on Grant's BABIP reference

It’s normal, IIRC.

"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.

by hairball on May 6, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

it's .228

not normal. career is .274

My Son.
2010 Giants: "The thing is, it happened."

by GiantPain on May 6, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

See above

Misread his stat line at fangraphs.

"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.

by hairball on May 6, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was going to say. Throwing canyons has finally paid off. Order of important to Zito’s success:

A) Throwing canyons.
B) Sweet socks.
C) Other stuff.

In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.

by cornball on May 6, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Location, location, location

Been hitting his spots, and when he misses, he misses in the location where he won’t get burned. I am hopeful that he can keep hitting his spots this consistently, but I expect him to start walking a few more.

Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond.
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's

by Giant among Angels on May 6, 2010 12:45 PM PDT reply actions  

OT: This paragraph makes me happy

“Catcher: Russell Martin, Los Angeles Dodgers (93 percent):

Folks think he’s still 2008, but he’s actually 2000 and late. Apologies to Fergie and, frankly, anyone who still thinks Russell is an All-Star catcher. The appeal was the speed, of course, but he’s on pace for a career-low seven steals this year while the Dodgers are actually top-10 in the majors in stolen-base attempts. I mean, come on. James Loney has four! Add to the lack of steals a .250 batting average (it’s dropped each season since ‘07) and it’s not good news. Especially since Martin has had at least 500 at-bats in each of the past three seasons. If you’re gonna have that bad an average (his on-base percentage is also trending downward and is currently at a career low), you’ll need more than 10 or so home runs to make up for it."

by Cheeeese! on May 6, 2010 12:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Russell Martin

Suck it

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"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me

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by DrStankus on May 6, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lineup: Rowand CF, Renteria SS, Sandoval 3B, Molina C, Huff 1B, Uribe 2B, DeRosa LF, Schierholtz RF, Cain P.

NO NOT RENTERIA IN THE TWO HOLE DAMN YOU

My Son.
2010 Giants: "The thing is, it happened."

by GiantPain on May 6, 2010 12:47 PM PDT reply actions  

To be fair

Renteria has a .370 OBP

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on May 6, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

to be fairer

Matt DownSSS’ is .517!

"I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."- Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti

"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw

"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)

by natteringnabob on May 6, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

to be fairest

one of all!

Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.

by rotorueter on May 6, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

His BR sponsor
Mets Rule Yankees Stink sponsor(s) this page.

This guy is gonna make the Hall of Fame!!! Seriously, look at his stats.

Uhhh…

I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on May 6, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, look at them.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on May 6, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

You look at them.

I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on May 6, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously, look at them.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on May 6, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, I’m not falling for that again, ok?

I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on May 6, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe if I wait a few minutes and try again.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on May 6, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

You should seriously look at them now. Seriously.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on May 6, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, someone’s gotta look at them!

"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.

by hairball on May 6, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

not it

It’s conjoined fail, attached at the fiasco. - Grant

by jhiat00 on May 6, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I vote for Natto.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on May 6, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I second this motion.

All in favor say Aye.

Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!

by say hey nation on May 6, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aye.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on May 6, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aye

GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.

by groug on May 6, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

EYE

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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
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by bondslegend on May 6, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

EYER

It’s conjoined fail, attached at the fiasco. - Grant

by jhiat00 on May 6, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I

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#2 in Fanshots

Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.

by scout6 on May 6, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nay

いつも納豆、もっと幸せ!!

by Fermented Soybeans on May 6, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

HAHAHHAHAHAHA

awesome

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on May 6, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Money Down the Stretch, Nerds!

The money lies in the RBIs
-- Jeff Kent

by hokysmksbw on May 6, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd like Bowker and DeRosa to be switched.

Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond.
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's

by Giant among Angels on May 6, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

canes > switches

if Freddie Sanchez, Mark DeRosa and Aubrey Huff are the answer, I guess I just didn't understand the question.

by nogooddeed on May 6, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL BOWKER

Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.

by rotorueter on May 6, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

NO NOT RENTERIA IN THE TWO HOLE DAMN YOU

TWSS

"The thing is, it happened."
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner

by walkoff baltimore chop on May 6, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Renteria in the two hole

highly treatable if caught early!

"I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."- Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti

"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw

"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)

by natteringnabob on May 6, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

LOL Philly fans!

I over heard Fantasy talk today reagrding a trade. THe guy asked his friend if he would trade Jeter and Haren for Halladay as he had JROLL for SS when he returns! His friend then says "Halladay is lock for 9 ip, 1 er and 9k. "

They are going to be shocked when he has a few bad games.

Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!

by say hey nation on May 6, 2010 12:49 PM PDT reply actions  

sustainable!

"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket

"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me

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by DrStankus on May 6, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL GIANTS BEAT HIM

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Thanks to roger
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by bondslegend on May 6, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I knew most ppl would do the comedy socks option

I chose command because that is the right answer. Good command = less walks + batters not making good contact = low BABIP/HR Rate. It may not be sustainable but this seems logical.

Back on the market.

by positiveuphemism on May 6, 2010 12:49 PM PDT reply actions  

The socks are pretty awesome though

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on May 6, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I suppose they could be a little tighter which is causing his legs to function just enough differently to cause the increase in production. Kinda like those tight shorts that are supposed to make you run faster or something.

Back on the market.

by positiveuphemism on May 6, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not convinced it’s not the socks. Stranger things have happened . . .

in the best shape of my life

by Prussian Creole on May 6, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Double negative

BANNED

"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.

by hairball on May 6, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

warranted and totally correct

not nearly the same thing as saying “i’m convinced it’s the socks.”

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on May 6, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which is precisely why I said it that way. I’m not 100% convinced it’s the socks. I’m saying there’s a chance it may be but that I am, as of yet, unsure.

in the best shape of my life

by Prussian Creole on May 6, 2010 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wrong

It’s litotes.

in the best shape of my life

by Prussian Creole on May 6, 2010 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I learned something today.

Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller

by Johnny Disaster on May 6, 2010 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bork

Rowand CF
Renteria SS
Sandoval 3B
Molina C
Huff 1B
Uribe 2B
DeRosa LF
Schierholtz RF
Cain P

"The thing is, it happened."
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner

by walkoff baltimore chop on May 6, 2010 12:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Dammit.. I shouldn’t have Shift-A’d.

"The thing is, it happened."
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner

by walkoff baltimore chop on May 6, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

TWSS!

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on May 6, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hang on, that’s not the “give-up” lineup.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on May 6, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL DOWNS!

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on May 6, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Uribe’s elbow isn’t sore so that he won’t start every day. Geez.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on May 6, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Today, I’d like Uribe over Downs

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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's

by Giant among Angels on May 6, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK

I’d like them both over renteria please.

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Thanks to roger
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by bondslegend on May 6, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Correct Call !!

Matt Downs MLB , Now with More STATZ goodness !Matt Downs Fangraphs The Juan Uribe of 2011 !

by nvsfg on May 6, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

This lineup doesn’t have enough Edward James Olmos.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on May 6, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's a trick question - there can never be enough Edward James Olmos

Even a biopic of the Life of Edward James Olmos narrated by Edward James Olmos does not have enough Edward James Olmos in it.

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by grape on May 6, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do you suppose he keeps Schierholtz in the eighth spot because he has hit well in the eighth spot?

by Evan on May 6, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Absolutely.

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by xanthan on May 6, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

and I give you, Rowand in the leadoff spot

by NateEveryday on May 6, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

It makes too much sense.

by chilibean_3 on May 6, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

It just makes me mad to see Bengie hitting fourth.

In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.

by cornball on May 6, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

No time to read everyone's comments...

since I’m headed over to loot the prize vault of all the prizes and money and prizes Grant was going to give away today.

I voted “location and command”. He really seems to be pounding the strike zone more than his previous seasons as a Giant.

I also think the he’s pitching with more confidence/swagger, so maybe the “focused” thing is part of the equation.

Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!

by Goofus on May 6, 2010 12:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Barold Von Zitenburg

Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond.
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's

by Giant among Angels on May 6, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Baron Unterbheit!

In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.

by cornball on May 6, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Henrik Zetterberg?

GIS for his wife.

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW

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by jctGamer on May 6, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

cleared his lower mind…

Bonds stands alone.

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by nostocksjustbonds on May 6, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

To the Stat Cave, nerds!

Barry Zito’s average pitches per inning by season:

2007: 17.34
2008: 17.81
2009: 16.67
2010: 14.70

SSS this season, of course, but still: he’s averaging nearly two pitches fewer compared to last season and more than three pitches fewer per inning compared to two seasons ago. That adds up to an extra 10-20 pitches over the course of a game, which translates to more energy/less stress, which translates to better command, which means he can go further into games and save the bullpen. He’s already gone 7 innings or longer in starts 4 times this year. He did that 8 times all of last season.

Giants Baseball: TORTURE

by Kitspool on May 6, 2010 12:58 PM PDT reply actions  

yesterday was crazy

5 pitch inning? 6 pitch inning? Awesome to see the opposition doing that for once.

"I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."- Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti

"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw

"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)

by natteringnabob on May 6, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Through 6 games

2008: 28 ip 540 pitches(~19 per inning) 7.53 ERA
2009: 35.1 IP 615 pitches (~17 per inning) 3.51 ERA
2010: 42.1 IP 620 pitches (~14 per inning) 1.49 ERA

I JUST DID SCIENCE!

Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!

by say hey nation on May 6, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

arithmetic=/=science

if Freddie Sanchez, Mark DeRosa and Aubrey Huff are the answer, I guess I just didn't understand the question.

by nogooddeed on May 6, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

So if he had made a chart then?

Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller

by Johnny Disaster on May 6, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he’s allowing less pitches per inning because he’s allowing less baserunners. The fewer people on base, the fewer pitches he has to throw.

GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.

by groug on May 6, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I realize now the pitches per inning stat is more correlation than causation—or rather, it’s a function of his improved command and fewer walks.

Giants Baseball: TORTURE

by Kitspool on May 6, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Didn't see this when I wrote below.

"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.

by hairball on May 6, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

FEWER pitches per inning

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Thanks to roger
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by bondslegend on May 6, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't care

GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.

by groug on May 6, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fewer BB, fewer hits.

"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket

"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me

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by DrStankus on May 6, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's a result stat, not a cause stat

Pitching with better control is probably the reason for this.

"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.

by hairball on May 6, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Papers please!

It’s conjoined fail, attached at the fiasco. - Grant

by jhiat00 on May 6, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

ha!

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on May 6, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I see you went to the Phoenix Suns school of Spanish.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on May 6, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

IF YOO DOTN LIK IT YU CAN GEET OUT!

It’s conjoined fail, attached at the fiasco. - Grant

by jhiat00 on May 6, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

The chick in Spanglish is pretty darn hot.

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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's

by Giant among Angels on May 6, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dude, she was like 12 years old in that movie.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on May 6, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

The maid. Her daughter in that movie has been in other movies.

Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond.
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's

by Giant among Angels on May 6, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

(supposed to be a question)

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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's

by Giant among Angels on May 6, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

The one who isn’t Penelope Cruz

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"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me

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by DrStankus on May 6, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Paz Vega

Way better than Penelope Cruz in my opinion.

by BestHyperboleEver on May 6, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s a tough call.

Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond.
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's

by Giant among Angels on May 6, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Watch Sex and Lucia

It will no longer be as tough a call.

by BestHyperboleEver on May 6, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

not hyperbole at all

that is the greatest movie ever, holy shit

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on May 6, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, she's a babe

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Thanks to roger
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by bondslegend on May 6, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

hmmm, Palm Pictures

/Aubrey Huff updates Netflix account

if Freddie Sanchez, Mark DeRosa and Aubrey Huff are the answer, I guess I just didn't understand the question.

by nogooddeed on May 6, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Adam Sandler?

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by Solidarity on May 6, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOS SUNS! Stupidest jersey evar! Well almost.

Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!

by say hey nation on May 6, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

What should it have been?

Los Sols?

"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.

by hairball on May 6, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actual Spanish.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on May 6, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Worst. Team Name. Ever!

It’s conjoined fail, attached at the fiasco. - Grant

by jhiat00 on May 6, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

unless you count the numerous worse team names in the WNBA

Bonds stands alone.

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by nostocksjustbonds on May 6, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're right.

The Kalamazoo Placebo Birth Controls IS a terrible name!

by Every6thDay on May 6, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Those are all better than ‘Actual Spanish.’

It’s conjoined fail, attached at the fiasco. - Grant

by jhiat00 on May 6, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Phoenix Actual Spanish is a great basketball name.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on May 6, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

nuh uh

It’s conjoined fail, attached at the fiasco. - Grant

by jhiat00 on May 6, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Bellarmine Bells?

In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.

by cornball on May 6, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

i am a st ignatius alum

and i always laughed at their name…thatd be like calling us the st ignatius ignatians

by ir1shgiant on May 6, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I enjoyed playing lacross against St Ignatius!

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW

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by jctGamer on May 6, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I enjoyed playing getting beaten at lacross against St Ignatius!

fixed

by ir1shgiant on May 6, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

We won in 1994!

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW

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by jctGamer on May 6, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

If only Bells was spelled Belles, then an all-boys school would be represented by a debutante mascot.

In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.

by cornball on May 6, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Scottsdale Artichokes

It’s conjoined fail, attached at the fiasco. - Grant

by jhiat00 on May 6, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

anything Ball State

if Freddie Sanchez, Mark DeRosa and Aubrey Huff are the answer, I guess I just didn't understand the question.

by nogooddeed on May 6, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s too good to true, right?

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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's

by Giant among Angels on May 6, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Toronto Raptors

"I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."- Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti

"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw

"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)

by natteringnabob on May 6, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

ok I read about this once

and I was thinking the same thing – put it in spanish! Then I read that they made a conscious choice to NOT put many of these jerseys in spanish because the bulk of spanish speaking fans actually say things like “Los Suns” and “Los Spurs”

If you don't like Brandon Medders you're not a true fan.

by wjackalope on May 6, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

That makes a lot of good sense, actually.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on May 6, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would buy a Los Tiburones jersey

Immediately.

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW

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by jctGamer on May 6, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Correct.

In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.

by cornball on May 6, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah I guess it kind of does

I mean, if we were discussing a mexican baseball team or a european soccer team or something that had a name in spanish or italian or whatever, we’d probably not translate the name when talking about them

If you don't like Brandon Medders you're not a true fan.

by wjackalope on May 6, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team

by bondslegend on May 6, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Los Lonley Boys

Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller

by Johnny Disaster on May 6, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Los Lobos

The Giants offseason moves - "meh"
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum, who could do whatever he wants to do.

by SFGuy on May 6, 2010 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Posey's lione so far

4-5, 3 RBI, HR, 2 2B, 9 total bases

It’s also 7-7 in the bottom of the 9th

Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond.
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's

by Giant among Angels on May 6, 2010 1:03 PM PDT reply actions  

no power

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on May 6, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

sadly this is true

he is powerless to stop Sabean and Bochy

"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.

by hairball on May 6, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Passed balls: eleventy thousand hundred
Game calling: none

Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.

by rotorueter on May 6, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

He might be a 4th OF on this team

Belted!

by AndYourBirdCanSing on May 6, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

The last 2B was in the top of the 9th to tie the game

Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond.
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's

by Giant among Angels on May 6, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

So, you’re saying he’s clutch? That might help him.

Belted!

by AndYourBirdCanSing on May 6, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

CANT HIT HOMERS IN THE CLUTCH

"I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."- Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti

"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw

"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)

by natteringnabob on May 6, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Future San Francisco Giant, Brett Pill has been practicing and successfully GIDP to end the top of the 9th.

Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond.
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's

by Giant among Angels on May 6, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are you sure about that?

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on May 6, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Giants IT

new algorithm.

"I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."- Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti

"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw

"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)

by natteringnabob on May 6, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s not my son’s fault that he works with idiots.

"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket

"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me

Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.

by DrStankus on May 6, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Science

"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.

by hairball on May 6, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would have also accepted “I’m HIV positive.”

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on May 6, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

And the Grizz just lost.

"The thing is, it happened."
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner

by walkoff baltimore chop on May 6, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Posey doesn’t know how to win.

I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on May 6, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

On Rohlinger's E

Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond.
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's

by Giant among Angels on May 6, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

DFA ROHLINGER NOW

"The thing is, it happened."
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner

by walkoff baltimore chop on May 6, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

But how is his gamecalling?

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by Natto on May 6, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

How do you think the other team scored 7 runs?

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on May 6, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

THANK GOD WE HAVE WHITESIDE!

"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.

by hairball on May 6, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

brought in 4 foxes and a couple turkeys

if Freddie Sanchez, Mark DeRosa and Aubrey Huff are the answer, I guess I just didn't understand the question.

by nogooddeed on May 6, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

MOLINA HAD A LINE LIKE THAT ONCE IN THE MINORS BUT BIDED HIS TIME UNTIL TWO SEASONS HAD PASSED

Giants Baseball: TORTURE

by Kitspool on May 6, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

THIS

And doesn’t this idiot’s inability to play baseball like a human being (and more like a caveman!) only PROVE how much of a MORAN Sabeen is?

by Every6thDay on May 6, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

No 3B?

I am unimpressed.

The money lies in the RBIs
-- Jeff Kent

by hokysmksbw on May 6, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

the only triple for Posey

Is a slice of triple chocolate cake that he eats every day when he goes out with his girlfriends to lunch. I bet he’s glad not to be in the majors so he can go see SATC 2 in peace!

by Every6thDay on May 6, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

so does that mean he is the slowest guy on the team?

Proud adopted parent of the ball dudes, who have grounded into 109 fewer double plays than the Giants.

by DJ Tofu on May 6, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pffft! Only 1 RBI??

It’s conjoined fail, attached at the fiasco. - Grant

by jhiat00 on May 6, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

or 3....

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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's

by Giant among Angels on May 6, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pffft! Only 3 rbi?

It’s conjoined fail, attached at the fiasco. - Grant

by jhiat00 on May 6, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

SUSAN!

“Get me everything you can on this…” squints, turns head side to side like a dog hearing a high-pitched noise, squints again, farts “… this Buster Posey. Apparently he plays for us in …”

“…Fray-no?”

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on May 6, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

puts me in a good mood, that man does

Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
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by Useful_Idiot on May 6, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

We need stats that quantify how awesome a player looks.

Specifically how good their socks look. I’m sure theres a correlation, there has to be!

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by GiantBrass on May 6, 2010 1:03 PM PDT reply actions  

OT: LOL JaMarcus

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by sadison bummedgarner on May 6, 2010 1:06 PM PDT reply actions  

LOL RAIDERS

"The thing is, it happened."
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner

by walkoff baltimore chop on May 6, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL A's

"There he goes. One of god's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."

by KINGofCRA5H on May 6, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is he the new Britney Spears?

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on May 6, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

is his 16 year old sister pregnant?

if Freddie Sanchez, Mark DeRosa and Aubrey Huff are the answer, I guess I just didn't understand the question.

by nogooddeed on May 6, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I bet he will be employed in 2012

Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!

by say hey nation on May 6, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

NFL Holdout

Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!

by say hey nation on May 6, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

My impression is that not only is his curveball back in top form, his location is improved in some respects. Namely, when he makes a mistake, it’s usually inside or outside, and not up and over the plate. The curveball is really grinding in on right handed batters and dropping out of the strike zone… which is helping him induce grounders, and keeping the ball out of the air. His GB/FB is 1.22, which is the highest of his career so far, and he’s been getting plenty of help from the defense, as suggested by his BABIP.

He’s not giving up walks, he’s inducing ground balls, and he’s KEEPING THE BALL DOWN. They all strike me as a product of improved command, but I think a lot of that hinges on that curve; namely, knowing exactly how that curve is going to break, and using it to great effect. In past years, his curve has kind of faded in and out, which was contributing to him leaving balls up and out over the plate.

Also, those socks are fuckin’ sweet.

Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.

by Solidarity on May 6, 2010 1:08 PM PDT reply actions  

TWSS

"The thing is, it happened."
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner

by walkoff baltimore chop on May 6, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond.
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's

by Giant among Angels on May 6, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

clubhouse man fail

“let’s see… you’re 5’5”… here’s a 75XXXXXXXXXL, that should be about right"

"I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."- Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti

"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw

"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)

by natteringnabob on May 6, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nobody else vote...

75 votes for the socks!!!

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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
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by SneakToBetterSeats on May 6, 2010 1:13 PM PDT reply actions  

OMG U

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on May 6, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

no

needs 109

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on May 6, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

wow, 6 more votes before i finished my message, LAME

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by SneakToBetterSeats on May 6, 2010 1:13 PM PDT reply actions  

It's totally the socks. It's like when the 49ers rode their throwback jerseys to the Super Bowl.

Proud parent of Will the Thrill, standard-bearer of The Giants Way.

"I was jacked leaving that room. I didn't even want to visit another room. It was not enough time," Tebow said. "We were excited, we were enthusiastic. There was passion. It was just intense, and it was ball, and it was juice. The juice level in that room was high, and it was awesome."

by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on May 6, 2010 1:19 PM PDT reply actions  

The Giants prefer

There’s MAGIC in that there.

The money lies in the RBIs
-- Jeff Kent

by hokysmksbw on May 6, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm just irritated at the lineup

Why does DeRosa get this never ending rope, and for the love of good, why not drop Edgar to 8th and move up guys who are actually hitting? BORK’s rule should be the pitching manager – don’t allow him anywhere near the hitters.

Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.

by Aadik on May 6, 2010 1:19 PM PDT reply actions  

well to be fair

before Rent injured his hamstring, he was starting to hit fairly well again (no power, but still).

And DeRosa isn’t really getting a never ending rope, he’s gone from hitting 5th to hitting 7th. And even though he’s irritating me, it would be silly to bench him after a month.

I’d much rather see this lineup with Nate and Rent switched though.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on May 6, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did you know that Nate has leads all outfielders with a .423 BA in the 7th inning or later? Or that Renteria is 0-14 in his career against Ricky Nolasco?

This can only end well!

Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.

by Solidarity on May 6, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

no I didn't

but nobody in the Giants offices did either.

"I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."- Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti

"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw

"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)

by natteringnabob on May 6, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

26 ABs!!!!

O topic if he goes 0-3 his next 3 ab’s after the 7th that average will drop to 375

Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!

by say hey nation on May 6, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Typical useless baseball stats. You could probably just make them up since nobody would bother to cross-check something so stupid.

Speaking of, did you know that Derek Jeter is hitting .537 in Wednesday day games since 2003?!?!?!

Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.

by Solidarity on May 6, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did you know that BLB was batting 1.000 when ever he hit a ball 450+ feet?

Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!

by say hey nation on May 6, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

predictable

"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket

"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me

Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.

by DrStankus on May 6, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bork Logic

veterans who don’t hit, will eventually. young guys who don’t hit get benched immediately. young guys who do hit either bat 8th so it won’t mess them up or are benched so that veterans who don’t hit get more chances to start hitting. got it?

Bonds stands alone.

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by nostocksjustbonds on May 6, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

OT: OATS

i enjoy granola

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on May 6, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

OT: PAUL AND OATS

It’s conjoined fail, attached at the fiasco. - Grant

by jhiat00 on May 6, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

OT: GARFUNKEL AND OATES

"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket

"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me

Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.

by DrStankus on May 6, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

GROATS

"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket

"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me

Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.

by DrStankus on May 6, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

GROSS

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on May 6, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Merideth Baxter

The Dog who Shot My Face

"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket

"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me

Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.

by DrStankus on May 6, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sergio Romo

’s stupid face

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on May 6, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Face

Starbuck Pictures, Images and Photos

These pretzels are making me thirsty

by NuschlerFace on May 6, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

wat

that’s OG BSG bro

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on May 6, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey!

That’s not Bradley Cooper!

Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard

by SoFa King Mike on May 6, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

He probably should play there, actually.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on May 6, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

TWSS

It’s conjoined fail, attached at the fiasco. - Grant

by jhiat00 on May 6, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL AL DAVIS
Davis believed Russell could turn around the fortunes of his struggling franchise when he drafted him. He stood by him during his struggles, revealing when he fired Kiffin in 2008 that the coach did not want him.

“He is a great player. Get over it and coach this team on the field,” Davis read from a letter he sent Kiffin before the firing. “That is what you were hired to do. We can win with this team.”

Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, who has been resurrected and has returned to..(reads)...Fresno? And is also an outfielder now.

#2 in Fanshots

Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.

by scout6 on May 6, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

You know it's bad when Lane Kiffin thinks someone is a douche.

So.

Biggest NFL number 1 pick bust?

or FATTEST NFL number 1 pick bust?

Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, who has been resurrected and has returned to..(reads)...Fresno? And is also an outfielder now.

#2 in Fanshots

Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.

by scout6 on May 6, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope Russell pulls an MC Hammer and loses his entire fortune. What an arrogant, lazy bastard

Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG

by Useful_Idiot on May 6, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did you ever see the MC HAmmer made for TV movie it was funny.

Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!

by say hey nation on May 6, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

a documentary?

Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG

by Useful_Idiot on May 6, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

maybe, but i remember a movie

Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!

by say hey nation on May 6, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Too Legit?

Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, who has been resurrected and has returned to..(reads)...Fresno? And is also an outfielder now.

#2 in Fanshots

Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.

by scout6 on May 6, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

YES! The shooting scene was the best!

Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!

by say hey nation on May 6, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am in shocked by two things when ever I see a pic of Al Davis:
1)That is actually alive
2) that he actually still talks

Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!

by say hey nation on May 6, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m going to be cynical and say that it’s mostly luck. He’s on a nice hot streak now, but his FIP is going to be 4.25 by the time the season is over.

by Evan on May 6, 2010 1:42 PM PDT reply actions  

LOL ALL OPTIONS OTHER THAN SOCKS

Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team

by bondslegend on May 6, 2010 1:50 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

this

If you don't like Brandon Medders you're not a true fan.

by wjackalope on May 6, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I dont like the lineup!

Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
SCIENCE

by CB30 on May 6, 2010 1:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Cains pitching. What did you expect?

by DFARowand on May 6, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Final games of series

2-5.

"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket

"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me

Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.

by DrStankus on May 6, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are they all sweeps and avoiding sweeps?

Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
SCIENCE

by CB30 on May 6, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

no

1-3 in games where there’s a chance for the Giants to sweep. It is all HOU and the last homestand.

"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket

"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me

Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.

by DrStankus on May 6, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

What about games where we got sweeped?

Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
SCIENCE

by CB30 on May 6, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Swept*

/is stupid

Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
SCIENCE

by CB30 on May 6, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

2-5

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on May 6, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's the socks

"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn

by 49er16 on May 6, 2010 1:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Socks take the u out of sucks, and they add an o. Therefore, they remove the suck from Zito, and add socks to him.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on May 6, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Since Grant is busy, I guess Natto or jponry is going to have to post the Open British Election Results Thread when the polls close in four minutes.

Giants Baseball: TORTURE

by Kitspool on May 6, 2010 1:56 PM PDT reply actions  

hmmm

I don’t think I get this one.

"I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."- Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti

"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw

"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)

by natteringnabob on May 6, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I voted for Changeup.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on May 6, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Back off, man.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on May 6, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s just a vote! I swear it didn’t go any further than that!

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on May 6, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dimpled chad not what you think!

by Every6thDay on May 6, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Changeup you can believe in?

It’s conjoined fail, attached at the fiasco. - Grant

by jhiat00 on May 6, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lincecum’s changeup?

FREE BUSTER POSEY

by djp4cal on May 6, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

OT

for no good reason at all, i just changed my avatar to the Brain Wilson bubbahead

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on May 6, 2010 1:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Is she your girlfriend?

"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn

by 49er16 on May 6, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

OT -- Invited to a hookah bar after Sharks game

What do I do? I don’t even smoke.

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW

I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry

by jctGamer on May 6, 2010 2:05 PM PDT reply actions  

I don’t either but smoking hookah is fun every once in awhile anyway

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on May 6, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good thing I only do it every once in awhile!

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on May 6, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I don’t smoke but I like hookahs.

Ask me about my blog.

by xanthan on May 6, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

XANTHAN LIKES THEM HOOKAS

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW

I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry

by jctGamer on May 6, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

HOOKAHS AND BLOW

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on May 6, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just don’t inhale

Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard

by SoFa King Mike on May 6, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just bring your cocaine and tell that you don’t smoke

Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond.
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's

by Giant among Angels on May 6, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

“Sorry, that shit will kill you.”
/snorts a fat line

It’s conjoined fail, attached at the fiasco. - Grant

by jhiat00 on May 6, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

OT

Went through all three interviews with a company. I am definitely qualified and aced the interviews. I dont think there are any other candidates at this moment. They emailed me for a consent for background check and references. I’m in, right?

by projectmayhem713 on May 6, 2010 2:06 PM PDT reply actions  

sounds like it

congrats!

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on May 6, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

keep the faith and good luck. Don’t forget to send the interviewers thank you cards.

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW

I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry

by jctGamer on May 6, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

theres another question

what is current etiquette on that. if i found the job an de interwebz, communicated mostly through email. is it an email thank you that should take place afterwards? especially since I dont have physical addresses for paper thank you cards?

by projectmayhem713 on May 6, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL OLD

I don’t know. I have not interviewed for 10 years now. I got my job the old fashion way.

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW

I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry

by jctGamer on May 6, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

sexual flavors?

Let’s just say Baskin Robbins’ top management is reaping in the benefits of 31 flavors….

/Win the inning
//Renteria - Still not a VD but I crush a lot
///Willism is Realism

by Scooter Ellis on May 6, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

knee pads and astroglide.

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW

I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry

by jctGamer on May 6, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve never had to interview. Though I took a really fun class in college about being the intervieweE and the intervieweR

Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond.
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's

by Giant among Angels on May 6, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

email thank yous are just fine.

never sent a paper thank you

"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket

"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me

Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.

by DrStankus on May 6, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I say it’s in the bag.

It’s conjoined fail, attached at the fiasco. - Grant

by jhiat00 on May 6, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

i hope so

my current boss is a huge cocknocker and i would love to hand in my notice today.

by projectmayhem713 on May 6, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I say take the high road. Usually a cocknocker would expect you to say or do something to piss him off on the way out.

It’s conjoined fail, attached at the fiasco. - Grant

by jhiat00 on May 6, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

THIS.

You’ll still need those references in the future.

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW

I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry

by jctGamer on May 6, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

i plan on keeping it short and sweet. “here is my two week notice, i wrote it in crayon and drew pictures so you can understand it”

by projectmayhem713 on May 6, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're working for Bochy now?

BORK!

/Win the inning
//Renteria - Still not a VD but I crush a lot
///Willism is Realism

by Scooter Ellis on May 6, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

As a professional recruiter...

Usually the background check is a sign you got the job. They usually cost the company anywhere from $75 to $1000 dollars depending on what they entail so they don’t like running too many of them. Congratulations, as long as your background is clean and you didn’t lie.

Proud adopted parent of Jackson Williams, who'll learn to handle major league pitching by catching in AA.
Don't give him the game ball Dusty...
"You gotta win every inning"

by The Neuschler on May 6, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

kind of what i was thinking

by projectmayhem713 on May 6, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol @ that guy that lied on his resume and was the headcoach of notre dame for like a week

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW

I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry

by jctGamer on May 6, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

NLOLtre Dame!

George O’Leary.

In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.

by cornball on May 6, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

also

breathed a sigh of relief when it was only criminal and not credit. criminal is clean but i effed up that credit crap a long time ago…

by projectmayhem713 on May 6, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

With everyone having been out of work lately a lot of companies are dropping the credit because it nixes good candidates.

Proud adopted parent of Jackson Williams, who'll learn to handle major league pitching by catching in AA.
Don't give him the game ball Dusty...
"You gotta win every inning"

by The Neuschler on May 6, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

what is credits?

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW

I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry

by jctGamer on May 6, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not hating...

Most people aren’t fortunate enough to have played baseball beyond high school so it’s often hard for them to understand the mental side of things and just how tough they can be. However, when it’s your job to play baseball day in and day out slumps and pressure can take on a life of their own. What’s worse is that for a lot of star players it’s something that they have never dealt with in their entire life. Most of them were stars from Little League until they hit the big leagues and even though baseball is a humbling game if they’ve been through a slump it was most likely brief. Just imagine you’ve been doing your job for roughly 20 years and one day you just can’t produce, oh yeah and there are a couple of million people watching you do it.

I was fortunate enough to get to play actual baseball in to my mid-twenties and played professionally for a couple of seasons (sorry, you’ve never heard of me). When I was 19 I went in to the season expected to hit third and anchor the offense, but all of a sudden I couldn’t throw the ball from third base to first. I could throw to second, I could throw home, but I everything heading to first base wound up in the dirt or right field. It was totally unexplainable, I changed my throwing motion, changed my grip and went in to a big slump at the plate, eventually I was moved to left field to finish out the year and the bat came back. I took a couple of weeks off, thought about giving up the game but decided to just make the move to left field. A couple of games in to fall ball, the shortstop got hurt and I had to shift to SS. We had the wheel play on for a bunt, but the batter pulled a butcher boy and I wound up taking a grounder stepping on the bag and throwing a seed to first. After that I had no problems the rest of my career. I know it’s hard to believe, but I think something very similar happened to Zito. He had some kind of mental block that may have been alleviated by Lincecum and Cain or just time, but it seems to be gone and I expect he will return to form.

Proud adopted parent of Jackson Williams, who'll learn to handle major league pitching by catching in AA.
Don't give him the game ball Dusty...
"You gotta win every inning"

by The Neuschler on May 6, 2010 2:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Dude couldn’t throw to 1st. Dude figured it out. Thinks the same with Zito.

It’s conjoined fail, attached at the fiasco. - Grant

by jhiat00 on May 6, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

rec'd

Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, who has been resurrected and has returned to..(reads)...Fresno? And is also an outfielder now.

#2 in Fanshots

Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.

by scout6 on May 6, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

whether or not this is applicable in any way to Zito, this is interesting. I’d read a story/article/book about this for sure.

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on May 6, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks

I’ll take that in to consideration and I mean that. Anything to get back in to baseball, never really considered the media angle because I’m told they’re all child molesters, but it worked for Kuiper and Krukow, they’re not regular media types.

Proud adopted parent of Jackson Williams, who'll learn to handle major league pitching by catching in AA.
Don't give him the game ball Dusty...
"You gotta win every inning"

by The Neuschler on May 6, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Everyone in the media are child molestors?

YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL

by heimy25 on May 6, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

everyone knows that…

Bonds stands alone.

Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants

by nostocksjustbonds on May 6, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Have two friends who "made it"

And they confirm that roughly 99% of sports writers are wife beaters, child molesters, rapists or take part in other nefarious acts.

Proud adopted parent of Jackson Williams, who'll learn to handle major league pitching by catching in AA.
Don't give him the game ball Dusty...
"You gotta win every inning"

by The Neuschler on May 6, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is better than the regular media though

They’re at a full 100%.

Proud adopted parent of Jackson Williams, who'll learn to handle major league pitching by catching in AA.
Don't give him the game ball Dusty...
"You gotta win every inning"

by The Neuschler on May 6, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

So

they’re Steve Garvey?

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on May 6, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Precisely

That, or Russell Martin.

Proud adopted parent of Jackson Williams, who'll learn to handle major league pitching by catching in AA.
Don't give him the game ball Dusty...
"You gotta win every inning"

by The Neuschler on May 6, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

ask the Baron

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on May 6, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

absolutely

at the risk of sounding unduly harsh, stories of guys who didn’t make it and how they didn’t quite make it are in some ways more compelling than stories of dudes that did. I bet people would eat that stuff up. I know I would.

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on May 6, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

Assuming you are talking about things happening in the minors, IMO there’s never enough of that kind of writing.

"I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."- Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti

"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw

"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)

by natteringnabob on May 6, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

that’s what Urban keeps saying. He said that Zito relaxed out there and is trying to have fun. I’m thinking that signing that fat contract put a ton of expectations on him that he couldn’t possibly live up to and has only recently learned how to deal with it.

Bonds stands alone.

Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants

by nostocksjustbonds on May 6, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

how would you explain

his ever declining numbers since he won the cy young award in 2002? hmmmmm

by ir1shgiant on May 6, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

no one was watching while he was in Oakland…

Bonds stands alone.

Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants

by nostocksjustbonds on May 6, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pressure

He won the Cy and everyone stopped hoping he would be great and started expecting it. For example if Wellermeyer goes 7 innings and gives up 3 runs everyone’s pretty excited. If Lincecum does the same, people are pretty ho-hum that creates a lot of pressure for some guys. Expectations replace hopes.

Proud adopted parent of Jackson Williams, who'll learn to handle major league pitching by catching in AA.
Don't give him the game ball Dusty...
"You gotta win every inning"

by The Neuschler on May 6, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Chuck Knoblauch Disease

/Win the inning
//Renteria - Still not a VD but I crush a lot
///Willism is Realism

by Scooter Ellis on May 6, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

TOO SOON I KNOW CHUCK KNOBLAUCH PERSONALLY UR5 SEE YOUAT THE PARK!!!

It’s conjoined fail, attached at the fiasco. - Grant

by jhiat00 on May 6, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

OH YEAH, IF I WAS 5 I WOULD HAVE GOTTEN THAT DAMN BATTING HELMET AT THE PARK LAST WEEKEND!

/Win the inning
//Renteria - Still not a VD but I crush a lot
///Willism is Realism

by Scooter Ellis on May 6, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I DONT FEEL BAD BECAUSE IVE NEVER EVEN BEEN TO THE PHONE BOOK OR THE CITY FOR THAT MATTER. I HAVE TO BUY MY BUBBAHEADS FROM TEH INTERNETZ!

It’s conjoined fail, attached at the fiasco. - Grant

by jhiat00 on May 6, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

as I always say about this kind of post

thanks and hope any of you others with actual baseball knowledge of actual baseball will post it now and again.

"I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."- Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti

"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw

"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)

by natteringnabob on May 6, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

i played baseball in little league

and when I was 12 they used me as a pitcher sometimes, but I didn’t throw very hard, so they’d put me in as a reliever after our pitcher who threw really hard and so it was like every pitch was a changeup because the hitters were used to the fast pitching and so maybe zito should only be a reliever and he should pitch after someone who throws really fast believe it would work because i played baseball so I know more than you its science

If you don't like Brandon Medders you're not a true fan.

by wjackalope on May 6, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you played in the minors, your stats would be listed on BR.

The Giants offseason moves - "meh"
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum, who could do whatever he wants to do.

by SFGuy on May 6, 2010 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Woohoo!
I confirmed at GreenJackets BP today, Zack Wheeler hit 98 mph in 1st pro win last night. Consistently 95-97. #sfgiants

https://twitter.com/billybyler/status/13507070426

YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL

by heimy25 on May 6, 2010 2:11 PM PDT reply actions  

he'll be throwing 88 within two years /bitter

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on May 6, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

When that happens, we’re going to see some serious shit.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on May 6, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

+109

It’s conjoined fail, attached at the fiasco. - Grant

by jhiat00 on May 6, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m hoping I can make this reference for the third consecutive day tomorrow. I’ll be that much closer to breaking the record.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on May 6, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ll remember to set you up (if I remember).

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by jhiat00 on May 6, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

thats awesome

so let me run this through my madison velocity calculator…. hmmmm…. as i suspected, this means that when he arrives in the bigs in late 2011 he should still be able to hit 90. fantastic!

by projectmayhem713 on May 6, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

also, that ground ball rate is just fucking awesome, I hope it’s not just a SSS aberration.

by superk1ng on May 6, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I declare his numbers sustainable

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by AXmrdrir on May 6, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can’t wait till Jerome Williams starts throwing 95

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by Scooter Ellis on May 6, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Regression of Barry Zito's BABIP

I’ve gotten tired of the notion that everything eventually regresses to the mean. This is not true. I mean, assuming that a low BABIP is purely luck, is also assuming that the only kind of good pitcher is a power, strikeout kind of pitcher. There are plenty of good pitchers that pitch to contact, and a low BABIP is precisely the outcome of that approach.

Barry Zito is not going to be blowing hitters away and racking up Sanchez-ian and Lincecum-esque K/9 numbers. He will put up decent strikeout numbers, and fool a decent amount of hitters, but in general, he is a control guy that knows how to keep a hitter off balance, and get weak contact. He has the lowest ld% of his career, and over 6 starts, that can’t be dismissed as a statistical anomaly. Bottom line, he is pitching well right now. If he continues to pitch this well, those numbers are sustainable.

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by AXmrdrir on May 6, 2010 2:13 PM PDT reply actions  

but

everything does eventually regress to the mean. that’s what makes it “the mean.”

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by delorean on May 6, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

The question therefore is...

has Zito’s mean changed, due to improved command or location?

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by jponry on May 6, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

preciselyamundo

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by delorean on May 6, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I don’t think even the most optimistic Zito fan here (othe than maybe Mychael Urban) would think he’s going to finish the year with a sub-2 ERA. But does the way he’s pitched this year OTHER than ERA suggest that he’s still a ~4.5 FIP pitcher? I don’t think so, but it’s probably too early to tell.

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by jponry on May 6, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am just tired of hearing “those numbers aren’t sustainable” vs. “that level of performance isn’t sustainable”. Sometimes we have to step back from the statistics to get a sense of context.

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by AXmrdrir on May 6, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Au contraire

The statistics actually provide us with a sense of context.

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by howtheyscored on May 6, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unless that context disagrees with me, then the numbers are wrong.

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by xanthan on May 6, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

harsh

but fair

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by delorean on May 6, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t understand why people have such a hard time understanding that we actually watch the games first. The first step in our process is to use our eyes to see what’s going on. We like baseball because we actually do watch baseball. We don’t just print up box scores, check fangraphs, come up with an opinion on a player or a team, and then watch the game to confirm it. That’s the opposite of what people do.

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by howtheyscored on May 6, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wait, these games are on TV?

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The internet is on computers now?

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by Solidarity on May 6, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, the numbers are the output, and sometimes there seems to be a lack of focus on the input.

Believe me, I am not afraid of the stats. I am in the process of getting my six sigma black belt certification. But sometimes we fall into the habit of explaining the numbers with more numbers.

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by AXmrdrir on May 6, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

0100101001010101110100100101010

1010101010000100100100011110100101

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by delorean on May 6, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, now you’re just letting your emotions get the better of you

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by AXmrdrir on May 6, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe because the numbers explain it better than "feelings"?

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by bondslegend on May 6, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

But there has to be a physical, tangible reason for those numbers. Zito doesn’t just decide to lower his LD% then fucking poof….lower LD%. No, he has to improve something about his performance. be it, control, movement, the chick he is giving herpes to, or the fucking socks.

this isn’t a debate between numbers and feelings. It’s simply questioning how we use those numbers.

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by AXmrdrir on May 6, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

But you’re describing a way of looking at numbers that nobody follows. We don’t say: Zito’s line drive rate is better because Zito’s line drive rate is better. That doesn’t make any sense. We say, “Zito’s pitching better. Oh, apparently his line drive rate is better. How is he doing that?”

That’s the whole point of the poll and the discussion in this thread even. Grant says that we know the numbers are better. We’re trying to work out why. Is it luck? Is it mental? Is it mechanical? Is it coital?

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by howtheyscored on May 6, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

is it hosiery-related?

(it’s definitely hosiery-related)

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by delorean on May 6, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also

Canyon-related.

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by cornball on May 6, 2010 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

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by bondslegend on May 6, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

You’re underestimating the “shit happens” factor. Numbers fluctuate!

In 2005, Zito’s line drive rate was 21.7%; the next year, it was 16.5%. A huge difference! But if you average the two together, you get very close to his career average.

by Evan on May 6, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

But sometimes we fall into the habit of explaining the numbers with more numbers.

I’m still failing to see how that’s a bad thing. We watch the game. We see something we want to understand better. We look at the numbers. The numbers do or do not make sense. If they do, great. If they don’t, we either need to understand what we saw better or we need to understand the numbers better. If we need to understand the numbers better, we explain them with more numbers.

But it all comes back to having seen the game and wanting to know more about what we saw. At no point are we forgetting that is game is not played with stat sheets.

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by howtheyscored on May 6, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

but as stated above, people say “are these numbers caused by lucK” the short answer is “No”. They are caused by Zito pitching extremely well. The real question should be is his upshot in performance caused by luck.

I am not doubting that most people realize that, however i just get a little frustrated when people say “his numbers” when they mean “his performance”

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by AXmrdrir on May 6, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think you have that backward.

If he’s performing well, his numbers will be good.

If he’s performing well and his numbers are bad, those numbers are being caused by bad luck.

If he’s performing poorly, his numbers will be bad.

If he’s performing poorly and his numbers are good, those numbers are being affected by luck.

Anecdotally: Say there’s a man on second with two outs and the Giants are playing to hold him at second. Zito gets a ground ball, which is good. The ball finds the hole where the defender would have been, the runner scores. Two outs, man on first.

Same man on second. Same number of outs. Giants aren’t holding the runner. Same exact ground ball. Now it gets eaten up by an infielder and the runner is thrown out at first. No damage, inning over.

That’s not specifically luck, but it illustrates the point. Zito’s performance was exactly the same, but the numbers are different. We could just as easily be talking about bloop singles or seeds that find gloves, though. And those things are luck based. And they affect the numbers specifically, and not the performance.

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by howtheyscored on May 6, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I understand that. I am saying that the sample size is sufficient for us to say, with a reasonable degree of confidence, that it has not been all luck.

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by AXmrdrir on May 6, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nobody's saying it's "all" luck

but there’s no way he keeps playing as well as he has been. It’s literally not possible for a pitcher to sustain that level of performance. He can be good without being AS good as he has been.

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by bondslegend on May 6, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed 100%.

As for the luck comment I made, I was simply addressing “howtheyscored’s” above post.

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by AXmrdrir on May 6, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the only thing anybody has attributed to luck so far has been Zito’s abnormally low baserunners allowed on balls in play numbers. That perfectly describes the “seeds finding gloves” phenomenon and is something that is very likely to even out.

Other things, like his walk rate or his k rate, his control, the effectiveness of his slider, nobody is chalking those things up to luck. At least not as far as I see.

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by howtheyscored on May 6, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes, but the hitters are also just not making that solid of contact, as evidenced by the 3 baserunners from last nights game. I don’t think his current WHIP will be sustainable, but, at the current level of pitching, it could be very, very, low.

Monday Monkey lives for the weekend, sir.

by AXmrdrir on May 6, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

The “zero home runs allowed” thing might be a wee bit lucky as well.

by Evan on May 6, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

SUSTAINABLE

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by howtheyscored on May 6, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with howie.

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by jponry on May 6, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

howie agrees with jponry

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by groug on May 6, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I do.

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by howtheyscored on May 6, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

groud agrees with groug

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by delorean on May 6, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

That would never happen.

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by groug on May 6, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

You know who else thinks that?

GROUD.

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by delorean on May 6, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

z

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by Johnny Disaster on May 6, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

HOLY SHIT YOU’RE RIGHT

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by groug on May 6, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

lolwut

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by bondslegend on May 6, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

No. Wrong

In a case where there is no special cause variation, things will assume a normal distribution about the mean. Meaning, that some data points are above, and some below the mean.

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by AXmrdrir on May 6, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

well, sure.

regressing to the mean doesn’t mean the mean will be achieved, just that it hangs out in the vicinity.

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by delorean on May 6, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

on this topic

my road to the show character Josh Snow (yes, JT’s son who plays 3B) is a career .320 hitter through minors and majors. in his 4th year in the bigs i am hitting .470 with 24 home runs in about 240 AB’s. I am waiting for that cpu imposed 2 for 60 slump, but its not happening.

by projectmayhem713 on May 6, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

over 6 starts, that can’t be dismissed as a statistical anomaly.

yes, it can.

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by jponry on May 6, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

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by jctGamer on May 6, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

jponry

the number of batters faced is adequate to form a reasonable degree of confidence in these numbers. However, if there is some other, special cause factor affecting his pitching, that could cause a shift in the numbers. I can’t really think of what that would be.

Monday Monkey lives for the weekend, sir.

by AXmrdrir on May 6, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

luck
quality of opponents
socks

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by delorean on May 6, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

We must adjust for the socks!

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by xanthan on May 6, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

The LD% is a bit iffy to me, simply because (as many have said) it’s rather subjective and up to the official scorer.

However, the markedly increased groundball rate has me pretty optimistic.

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by jponry on May 6, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just hope that after Zito’s first horrible start that people don’t go nuts saying he’s back to old Zito.

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by heimy25 on May 6, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I need something to complain about, dude.

by chilibean_3 on May 6, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

YOUR LOSING ME MCCOVEY

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by jhiat00 on May 6, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I already have it copied to my clipboard

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Would WIlson's command be Alt+F4?

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by scout6 on May 6, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Natto

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by natteringnabob on May 6, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

That is guaranteed to happen.

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by Johnny Disaster on May 6, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I never said...

that this level of pitching is sustainable. You cannot judge or predict future performance based off of past numbers. Dude could fall apart tomorrow and never recover.

However, I am merely arguing against the foregone conclusion that there will be some large regression on the order of .050 in his BABIP. his performance may regress, but that can’t be predicted.

Monday Monkey lives for the weekend, sir.

by AXmrdrir on May 6, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s absolutely a foregone conclusion. No one in the game has had a BABIP over the course of a full season below .245 or so in years. No one in the game has had career BABIP below .264 in years. Sooner or later, he’s heading back toward his career average.

by Evan on May 6, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sooner or later

Hey, later might not come this year. Yah never know.

That’s like the definition of a fluke season.

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by DrStankus on May 6, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unless he has made a tangible improvement. In which case, it would improve his numbers. It is likely that he can’t keep up this level of performance for every start, hence, his numbers will regress. But, they could very conceivably be much better than his career average, because, well, he could very well have an above average year.

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by AXmrdrir on May 6, 2010 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right. But Zito’s BABIP numbers are already among the very best in the game. It’s like expecting Lincecum to improve his strikeout rate or Webb to improve his ground-ball rate or Halladay to cut down on his walks. It could happen, but it means he’d become an even more extreme case.

So I’m betting against it.

by Evan on May 6, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, I meant an improvement over his past few seasons. I would say that it appears he has made an improvement, so his numbers should reflect this.

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by AXmrdrir on May 6, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

The past few seasons his BABIP has been at or above his career average. Regressing to the career average would STILL be an improvement on the past two years. There’s nothing wrong with saying Zito’s pitching better (he is) AND he’s had some breaks go his way. It’s baseball, it happens.

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by Ott on May 6, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

The thing is, it does.

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by howtheyscored on May 6, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Socks.

Cuz I ain’t falling for this shit.

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HAWT SOCKS

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by ringleader3 on May 6, 2010 2:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Someone get bold

OK, I know no one predicted this kind of year for Zito. But is anyone right now going to come out and say that they aren’t waiting for the other shoe to drop? That you are certain we are seeing a new level of Barry that is going to more or less going to stick?

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by achiappanza on May 6, 2010 2:33 PM PDT reply actions  

I think he will finish the year with an ERA under 4.

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by jponry on May 6, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

that's not that bold, really

Assuming he has the same # of starts as last year (Yes, I know it would be more accurate to fiddle with innings, this is Q&D)

He could have like a 4.88 ERA in his final 27 starts and end up with an ERA under 4. His worst year with the Giants he had a 5.15

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by DrStankus on May 6, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

fine

3.5

BOLD

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by jponry on May 6, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

now that is BOLD

It’ll require him to be about midway between his 2007 4.53 ERA and his 2009 4.03.

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by DrStankus on May 6, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Uribe

7 RiBeYeZ in the last 5 game

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by delorean on May 6, 2010 2:35 PM PDT reply actions  

7 RBIZ despite like a .180 batting average

C
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C
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NERBZ

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by djp4cal on May 6, 2010 2:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Freddy who??

I thought we traded that dude

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by delorean on May 6, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

So, Renteria is out? How does that work?

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by xanthan on May 6, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Soo

That means Renteria gets lots of days off? And Freddy too? And maybe Huff?

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by GiantPain on May 6, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

What’s he going to do, play left field?

by Evan on May 6, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

They’re going to give Rent, Freddy and Pablo more days off? Or something?

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by jponry on May 6, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't it be hilarious

if Freddy became a bench player

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by jponry on May 6, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOLderson

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by CB30 on May 6, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

it would be delicious

if it meant they are playing the guy that will actually hit and field.

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by natteringnabob on May 6, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pablo can play first

they can give Huff days off too

by superk1ng on May 6, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Probably not Pablo

probably Huff (shift pablo to 1B).

Maybe they’ll sit huff vs lefties or something? I think I suggested this a while ago in some form, maybe in that “what to do when freddy sanchez comes back” thread.

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by GiantPain on May 6, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d endorse that, but that’s only a quarter of the games.

by Evan on May 6, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

the other 3/4

Sit either Rent or Freddy, depending who’s slumpy or wants a day off.

If you have a guy who can play every IF position, you can get him into the lineup almost every day.

Of course, Bochy might set a record for # of different lineups used, but we kinda expected that anyway.

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by GiantPain on May 6, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

OT: Where is a good place to find the projected starting pitchers over the next week?

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by jhiat00 on May 6, 2010 2:42 PM PDT reply actions  

go to the MLB site for the team

and under “news” they list “probably pitchers”.

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by natteringnabob on May 6, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Found it thanks!

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Romo got some love on MLB Tonight just now. So did Boch

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Grant, dont lie to us we know McC is your real job

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dude, wtf!!

nightmare fuels should have subject lines attached!!

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by delorean on May 6, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

fuuuuuuuck

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by CB30 on May 6, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

D:

"The thing is, it happened."
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner

by walkoff baltimore chop on May 6, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who buried Tina in the pet cemetary?

It’s conjoined fail, attached at the fiasco. - Grant

by jhiat00 on May 6, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

TINA!

eat the ham!

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on May 6, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sometimes, dead is better

Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
SCIENCE

by CB30 on May 6, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Socks!

The avatar has spoken.

by kdl on May 6, 2010 2:56 PM PDT reply actions  

today is National Go-Without Pants day

IN TIMMY WE TRUST

by LincecumFTK on May 6, 2010 3:00 PM PDT reply actions  

I thought it was National Beverage Day?

Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry

by GrahamCrakalaka on May 6, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or, as it's known in my household,

“Thursday”

Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team

by bondslegend on May 6, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

In my household

It’s called the afternoon.

In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.

by cornball on May 6, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

going without pants or drinking?

IN TIMMY WE TRUST

by LincecumFTK on May 6, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes.

Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller

by Johnny Disaster on May 6, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

They kind of go hand-in-hand

Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry

by GrahamCrakalaka on May 6, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Going without pants. I usually wear pants when I drink.

In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.

by cornball on May 6, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah man I thought the game started at 3:10

Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry

by GrahamCrakalaka on May 6, 2010 3:04 PM PDT reply actions  

LOL YOU

Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team

by bondslegend on May 6, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

failure

IN TIMMY WE TRUST

by LincecumFTK on May 6, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

It does. In the Navajo Nation.

Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller

by Johnny Disaster on May 6, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Arizona?

Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry

by GrahamCrakalaka on May 6, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Arizona doesn’t observe Daylight savings… so it’s 4:10 there as well. The Navajos on the other hand…

Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller

by Johnny Disaster on May 6, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

What about them?

Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry

by GrahamCrakalaka on May 6, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Daylight savers, the lot of them.

Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller

by Johnny Disaster on May 6, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who?

Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry

by GrahamCrakalaka on May 6, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

WHAT A DUMMY!

HEY EVERYBODY LOOK AT THE DUM-DUM

by chilibean_3 on May 6, 2010 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL Bowker
hankschulman Bochy also said best way for DeRosa to break out
of slump is to play his way out. It’s easier to allow cuz Gs are scoring runs, winning

"The thing is, it happened."
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner

by walkoff baltimore chop on May 6, 2010 3:23 PM PDT reply actions  

god what a fucking moron

Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team

by bondslegend on May 6, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe it would help if he wasn’t hurt. Fucking dumbass manager.

In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.

by cornball on May 6, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm hoping the Giants release Bowker so he can get a chance somewhere else.

The Giants offseason moves - "meh"
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum, who could do whatever he wants to do.

by SFGuy on May 6, 2010 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's figured out how to pitch inside

The “book” is “up and in, low and away.”
That doesn’t work for Zito, nor does it work for many softtossers. The up and ins just get hammered. This year, Zito pitches more “up and away, down and in”. Now, when the hitters stop trying to pull him, his results may vary. Or if he starts getting his fastball up or more out over the plate.

if Freddie Sanchez, Mark DeRosa and Aubrey Huff are the answer, I guess I just didn't understand the question.

by nogooddeed on May 6, 2010 3:23 PM PDT reply actions  

I’ve been enjoying watching Zito pitch. I’ve also never said that before in my life.

I voted improved change/slider because I do think having that extra non-curve slow stuff has allowed Zito to set up both the curve and fastball better. On reflection, I would have to say the folks saying the pitch command is the key are probably right.

On that note – he’s apparently getting more groundballs, too. I hadn’t noticed that before. I’m hoping that’s part of his changed (revamped?) approach, and will stick around.

I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?

by Ott on May 6, 2010 3:52 PM PDT reply actions  

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