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Suppose you did get Sabean's job.

Ignoring the myriad of things you don't even know a GM does and sticking strictly to player-personnel issues, what--exactly--would you do, and in what order?  Try to keep reality in mind: no Velez-for-Pujols trades need apply.

(My own thoughts below the jump.)

Star-divide

It's bitter, but sunk costs are, well, sunk. The team needs to recognize that, get over it, and move forward. I have numbered these for ease of later discussion, but they are pretty much all of equal priority, which is urgent.

1. Excise Molina from the roster, literally a.s.a.p. There are teams who think themselves contenders who have had catchers go down, and that's a starting point. In trade offers, go for what might be had, but be willing to accept a 73-year-old ball dude (meaning a face-saving organizational player) and no cash in return. If nothing whatsoever materializes at once, bite the bullet and DFA him. A team that would take both him and his remaining contract, even with effectively zero back, would be a gift.

2. Tell DeRosa to have the surgery now. A healthy DeRosa in 2011 is a needed asset, because this organization has no worthwhile position-player help in the near pipeline (if any anywhere) and few trading chips of any value.

3a. Wellemeyer is just not a pitcher with a role on a team that wants to win something. His occasional teases are just that: he has no history whatever to suggest that he is anything other than league-average or worse. Flush him out in much the same way as Molina: whatever you can get, if anything, is just a bonus.

3b. Maybe Bumgarner still has things to learn. Let him learn them from Dave Righetti. Starting now.

4. Rowand, at his best, is a below-average hitter and only so-so fielder. He, too, has to be gone, though the rush is less imperative; in time, his BA will probably go up (low BABIP right now), so hold on, play him maybe 2/3 time, mostly in LF, wait for both his value to rise a bit and for someone else's needs to be more pressing, than dump him for whatever you can get back. Screw the money, it's long since blown out the window.

5. Get a good, solid, young--just ready for the bigs--outfielder. Do this by trading a real-value correspondingly young pitcher; the starting staff is set for a while, so a Wheeler or a Maday can be let go if corresponding value is gotten back. A CF type is preferred, but a corner is acceptable if he is at least defensively average (and, of course, is a great bat).

6. Fire Bochy. And Flannery. Wotus interim, till a suitable candidate aware of the arrival of the 21st century can be identified. (For all I know, that could be Wotus, or Decker--but please, no knee-jerk "from within" hirings just for the sake of it). A sane manager will give the position players playing time in something like the rotation I laid out elsewhere. Oh, screw it, I'll repeat it here:

Player   :     Day #   1     2     3     4     5     6
Torres                CF     x    CF    CF    RF    CF  =  5/6
Schierholtz           RF    RF    RF    RF     x    RF  =  5/6
Rowand                LF    CF     x    LF    CF     x  =  4/6
Bowker                 x    LF    LF     x    LF    LF  =  4/6
Uribe                 3B    2B    SS     x    2B    SS  =  5/6
Renteria              SS    SS     x    SS    SS     x  =  4/6
FSanchez              2B     x    2B    2B     x    2B  =  4/6
Sandoval               x    3B    3B    3B    3B    3B  =  5/6
Huff                  1B    1B    1B    1B    1B     x  =  5/6
Posey                  C     C     x     C     C    1B  =  5/6
Whiteside              x     x     C     x     x     C  =  2/6

(But we hope Rowand is replaced by a traded-for-pitcher new OF.)

7. Get Casilla and Bautista back to Fresno before the otherwise-inevitable blowups can occur. These are guys who can look good for a while because they can throw hard, but each has a well-established major-league history of major failure. Find out, right now, whether any of Sosa, Hacker, or Pucetas is useful or not; none is likely to be worse than Casilla/Bautista.

That's about all that is immediate. For all the grousings about the veterans, there's nothing better in the pipeline save pipe dreams. Maybe Neal or Crawford will suddenly perk up, but it's a hard truth that AA is where they separate the contenders from the pretenders.

The organization needs to be rebuilt from the ground up. We try to skate by with what we've got (after the moves above) and hope the scotch tape holds for a couple of years.

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by GovernorStephCurry on May 31, 2010 9:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Can I be president of your fan club?

You’re making an awful lot of sense. I could see some degree of success with your suggestions.

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by can of corn on May 31, 2010 9:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Thank you kindly for the offer, but. . .

no. My lady does say, however, that you could be vice-president.

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by owlcroft on Jun 1, 2010 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

You know, I honestly wouldn’t mind Molina and Rowand both coming off the bench. That’s a lot of bench money, but whatever. When rested, I think Molina is a better asset than Whiteside. And Rowand has some value with the bat and brings good defensive value off the bench. Not panicking about moving those two could buy you some time to squeeze something out of their trade value. I don’t think there’s any reason to just cut bait completely as long as you’re willing to let them ride pine. Fine backups, the both of them.

I’m 100% with you on number two. DeRosa needs as much recovery time as possible. Get the damn surgery. Get it last week, already.

I don’t care about Wellemeyer. He probably has no place on the team, but I prefer him on the roster to rushing Bumgarner unnecessarily. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if the 20 year old with one pitch and two week old velocity was worse for us than Wellemeyer in the short term. I don’t see the benefit. It seems bad for his development, and it seems bad for the team this year. If Wellemeyer on the roster means Bumgarner in Fresno, that’s what I want. However, I don’t really care if Wellemeyer goes away and Joe Martinez or Eric Hacker (preferably YEAH JOEY). Joey can fill in as a fifth starter, and transition to long relief later if need be. It would be win/win.

For number five, I don’t know how you get that. I have no problem with dangling some chips, but we really don’t have that many. Get lucky in a trade? Get lucky in the draft? I guess you just have to kick some tires and see what’s up.

I think most of your moves are pretty agreeable, though. Really, I just wouldn’t panic to SUNK COST DFA Molina or Rowand. Both can sit on the bench just fine for lack of a better player while you take your sweet time trying to find a new home for them.

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by howtheyscored on May 31, 2010 9:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Molina

I would be careful about benching him because he said something like he never wants to be a back-up, and one of the best things about this team is the chemistry. I would worry that Molina would turn into a clubhouse cancer.

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by Gobroks on May 31, 2010 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

In spite of the team, he would convince Buster to go on his special 4,000 calorie a day diet.

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by GovernorStephCurry on May 31, 2010 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

And Rowand has some value with the bat

What value would that be? He’s in an epic slump, and seems completely lost at the plate. And this is after tweaking his mechanics to improve. I don’t have the stats to back me up at my fingertips, but my guess is that the value of his bat is not much better than the average scrub from AAA.

Also, Molina would not be an effective bench player. He really would be a whiny little girl if he sat for Posey and Whiteside. Remember, he’s the guy who can’t understand why he didn’t get offered a lucrative multi-year deal in the off-season. He would need to be traded or cut loose.

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by can of corn on May 31, 2010 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

The trouble with Rowand

is he is the biggest enabler for Bork. What I mean is that Rowand is incredibly streaky. There are road trips where he can really get going offensively. There are also times where he can’t tell a slider from his elbow and looks awful. In the end he’ll end up with a line of .265/.310/.390. Which means Bork will continually play him hoping to catch a hot streak

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by Gobroks on May 31, 2010 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, if we can get #6 done…

Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?

by tobias on Jun 1, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

That would definitely help the team

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by Gobroks on Jun 1, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

He’s not giving us any value right now, but I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt off the bench. Either he gets some time off and gets back to normal, or he gets some time off and we get rid of him for nothing. He has plenty of history to suggest that he’s capable of being a 90+ OPS+ hitter. He looks fucking terrible right now, but I don’t think it’s worth throwing that away for nothing when there’s really nobody pushing him off the bench anyway. Who comes up to replace a PANICDFA’d Rowand? Do we get Ford and his .650 OPS in AA? Or do we go with Neal’s .680 AA OPS? Kieschnick? Clay Timpner? Ben Copeland? Joe Borchard? Eugenio Velez?

I just don’t see what part of bringing any of those guys up to the major league roster for no reason other than getting rid of Rowand is better than letting Rowand spend some time on the bench to see if he can possibly bring his value back up to a place where we can actually get something out of him.

And with Molina… I mean, I get that he wouldn’t take well to it, but I’d at least expect him to do his damn job. If he wants out so bad, he can either do what we ask while we figure out a trade or retire on the spot. If he’s really causing trouble in the clubhouse, he can get one of those mystery injuries and take a 15-day DL spot away from the team to cool the fuck off.

I just don’t like the idea of throwing these guys away for absolutely nothing out of sheer panic when there are perfectly good backup roles for them to fill while we try to work out a better arrangement for them somewhere else.

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by howtheyscored on Jun 1, 2010 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

And I know… Rowand off the roster leaves room for Burrell… . … .

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by howtheyscored on Jun 1, 2010 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

but Scott and Pat are buds

so, unfortunately, he stays

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by hokysmksbw on Jun 1, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Trading Molina was a good idea two years ago

Now, since no other team wanted to sign him, I have a hard time seeing a team give up anything for him.

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by natteringnabob on Jun 1, 2010 7:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

LOL Molina for Niese

/facepalm

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by Gobroks on Jun 1, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

fuck it. pull the trigger.

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by beat_la_25 on Jun 1, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I honestly wouldn’t mind Molina and Rowand both coming off the bench

Other than the huge contracts, these are the types of players we should have off the bench. Sabean has over the years filled out his lineup with veterans and expected the kids to breakthrough off the bench (if there were any on there). A smart GM would take a chance on a guy like John Bowker in left and have a veteran backup plan on the bench if Bowker falls on his ass. The veteran has a better chance of performing off the bench. Bowker is going to fail as a bench player and people are going to point to his high number of inconsistent at bats as a true sampling of the player he’s going to be. And it’ll be bull.

This is my bi-monthly PLAY BOWKER rant.

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by ResDog on Jun 1, 2010 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

My name is daveinexile

And I aprove tis message.

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by daveinexile on Jun 1, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

/brings rifle into the frame.

Kyle Stratford : Brian Sabean :: Toby Flenderson : Michael Scott

by jhiat00 on Jun 1, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

/ pulls pin holds granade and grins back.

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by daveinexile on Jun 1, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with most of your moves

a couple disagreements though: I think Wellemeyer is fine as a long reliever-I’d call up Joe Martinez at the expense of Bautista/Jairo and move Wellemeyer to the ‘pen. I’d also keep MadBum in Fresno, until at least July and maybe even August (or beyond).

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by Gobroks on May 31, 2010 9:52 PM PDT reply actions  

this

I think Wellemeyer is a problem but more or less the same as every other option and much less important than the first 2. I lump Bautista/Casilla in the same category, and generally agree that the mediocrities might as well be rotated around in case one can rise above. But having Bautista around to throw innings like today and in the 12-1 game, well, that’s fine. They probably don’t need two (and frankly if the pitching is thin enough that Casilla needs to fill in for injured pitchers, the team’s kind of in trouble).

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by natteringnabob on May 31, 2010 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

You had me at "excise Molina."

I find it significant that you have a list of seven items, as seven is a number used in the Bible to symbolize perfection. I don’t think that is a coincidence.

The only thing I am puzzled by is the fact that Renteria is still the starting SS. Shouldn’t he be DFA’d?

by Squire_Boone on May 31, 2010 10:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Place Renteria on the infinity-day DL.

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by howtheyscored on Jun 1, 2010 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Your de facto wish is granted.

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by Alex_Lewis on Jun 1, 2010 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

No.

I know that the current here flows against Renteria, so there is a whole separate post thread on that topic. A rotation (see the table in the post start) of Uribe, Renteria, and Sanchez in the middle infield gives reasonable value.

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by owlcroft on Jun 1, 2010 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’d keep Molina on the team. As whiny and annoying as he is, I think he has value as a “veteran” clubhouse guy, as he’s seemingly well liked by his teammates, which means something to the players. I’d also rather have him as an option on my bench than Whiteside over the course of an entire season. Plus for what it’s worth he has been a lot more patient this year at the plate than in recent years. He’s not going to be an OBP machine but at least he’s not sub .300 OBP this year. Plus with more rest and given work on a treadmill, maybe he can find some of his lost power as well.

Rowand I would put on waivers immediately. Not only is he grossly overpaid, but he just flat out fucking sucks. I have no use for somebody that is 100x worse than Pedro Feliz when it comes to 2 strike counts and hopelessly flailing at off-speed pitches in the lefties batter’s box.

DeRosa should have had surgery 3 weeks ago. It’s just ridiculous. And I think Uribe should start at SS, and Renteria would actually be a nice option off the bench as a pinch hitter and sub or spot starter. Given his fragile health, his days as a starting player are numbered, if not completely over already anyway.

Also, I’d send Bowker down and call up Burrell, who I think is a better fit for the team as a RH hitter off the bench, and spot starter at 1B.

Gimme Torres in CF, with Mole at 2b, Panda at 3b, Huff in LF/1B, Posey at C/1B, Burrell at 1B, Nate in RF, Uribe at SS, Molina at C of course, and while I know everybody hates him, I actually wouldn’t mind Velez on the roster as a super utility bench guy. He’s “versatile” granted his D sucks, but at least if someone were to come down with an unfortunate injury and big head has already managed himself into a problem, we wouldn’t need to put Timmy in RF.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 1, 2010 1:03 AM PDT reply actions  

I HATE Velez.

just a sambple of carbon-based wastage

by Gaahl on Jun 1, 2010 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hate Rowand more. Velez is only 9 pts in OPS behind him and he’s played less. They’re both awful, but one at least is payed like he’s awful. The other is supposed to be at least AVERAGE. Not below replacement level. Yeah yeah his defense…which other than range is terrible.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 1, 2010 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Velez kicked my dog. I stand by my hatred.

just a sambple of carbon-based wastage

by Gaahl on Jun 1, 2010 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

sigh.

Rowand has been one of the most consistently average players in baseball over the last 2 years. Yeah he’s sucking this year, but Velez is nowhere even close to as good as Rowand.

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by Viliphied on Jun 1, 2010 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

This.

Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.

The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga... CHONE WAR projection= 12.7

Current Team: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Molina, Renteria, Schierholtz... CHONE WAR projection= 12.6

by dregarx on Jun 2, 2010 1:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Look beyond this year and you’ll find Velez is a lot worse than Rowand as a hitter and fielder.

Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.

The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga... CHONE WAR projection= 12.7

Current Team: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Molina, Renteria, Schierholtz... CHONE WAR projection= 12.6

by dregarx on Jun 2, 2010 1:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’d make sure Blockhead never again starts Molina and Rowand in the same game until they both start hitting. And I’d absolutely keep him writing in Torres until the shiny wears off. It’s either Posey-Huff-Torres-Rowand-Scheierholtz or Molina-Posey-Huff-Torres-Scheierholtz the rest of the way. “Third place is: you’re fired” if you don’t mind a movie quote.

Keep Wellmeyer. He’s a fifth starter, but we knew that. He wasn’t supposed to be this year’s guy who does better than Zito so we can all hurr-durr… Let him eat innings now and hope the bats come around. In late July if we’ve taken a nice lead he’ll be taking a load off other arms. If we’re actually in a tight pennant race later, start skipping his starts.

DeRosa. Surgery. Now. Isn’t there a clause in every player contract that you can fire him if he refuses team medical advice? There’s no Schilling-esque bloody sock-and-staples approach that will fix him this year.

Send down John “AAAA” Bowker. It’s just not going to happen. Burrell up as soon as he’s got his stroke.

Play Fresno Express with the bullpen.

Kick the crap out of the trainers and/or the groundskeepers. WTF is up with all the hamstring and groin pulls? Either the warm-up is wrong or they’re playing on clay.

Wait and see what’s on the waiver wire next month, and don’t be shy about paying a little extra for one player who could put this over the top.

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by S.F. Giangst on Jun 1, 2010 5:38 AM PDT reply actions  

I don’t really see the point of DFAing Rowand. If nothing else, I think he has some value to us as a backup.

But I mostly agree with the other stuff. I’m not itching to rush Bumgarner just yet, but if he keeps pitching well, it doesn’t have to be long.

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by jcb9 on Jun 1, 2010 5:56 AM PDT reply actions  

My list, in order

1a. Fire Bruce Bochy. Hire Andy Skeels. Enough said. You have to have priorities.
1b.. John Barr named Director of Scouting, with total authority.
2. Tell Mark DeRosa to have the surgery yesterday (assuming that’s what the second opinion recommended). Enough said.
3. Excise Bengie Molina. He’s made it clear he’ll be an unhappy camper as a backup. I appreciate the warning: he’s gone. A trade for a organizational soldier would be fine. Buster Posey becomes the regular catcher, with Whiteside as a backup. Huff returns to 1B. Burrell gets called up, and is told explicitly that he’ll be a PH and occasional LF/1B.
4. DFA Aaron Rowand. Oh sure, explore trade options. A ham sandwich in return would look pretty good right about now. Tagg Bozied for Aaron Rowand? Done! Andres Torres is the regular CF. Bowker starts in LF. Schierholtz starts in RF.
5. When Renteria returns, he’s the SS backup for Uribe.
6. Wellemeyer gets 2 more starts on the road. If there’s no improvement, he’s replaced by Kevin Pucetas.
7. Grant is hired as the head of Public Relations, in charge of all media responsibilities.
8. BruteSentiment is hired as SF’s website director of content (reports to Grant).
9. The baroness is hired as website co-director (also reports to Grant).
10. Xanthan is hired as Statistical Analyst/East Coast scout.
11. I appoint Evan as my successor as GM, then resign after appointing Roger and myself as heads of the video production department (newly-created, if necessary).
12. World peace ensues. Giants win championship in 2014.

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by Lyle on Jun 1, 2010 6:11 AM PDT reply actions  

Why Skeels?

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by jcb9 on Jun 1, 2010 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like everything I’ve read about him, basically. I hear Decker can be a bit hyper.

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by Lyle on Jun 1, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

fixed

7. Grant is hired as the head director of Public Relations. Grant’s boss is hired as VP of Public Relations, in charge of all media responsibilities.

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by j14 on Jun 1, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ooh, nice touch!

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by Lyle on Jun 1, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Reporter: “Sir, is there any word on Madison Bumgarner’s ETA to the majors?”

Grant’s boss: "Well, I’d tell you about it, but the llamas are watching….

….

….

ALWAYS!"

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by quincy0191 on Jun 1, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

/humps the reporter’s microphone

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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 1, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

1) Order the players to improve their approach/discipline, or they sit. To make the point, put Rowand on the bench for a few games to work on his swing. No more “we don’t want to take away their aggressiveness” or “let him swing his way out of it.” Order certain players to take until they have a strike from time to time. Rowand can have his spot back when his swing is worked out and he isn’t swinging at first pitch sliders in the other batter’s box.

2) Whiteside to the minors. He got a couple big knocks, quit while we’re ahead. Maybe he’s made some adjustments like Bochy said; let him prove it by hitting everyday in AAA, where there aren’t any good pitchers.

3) Burrell (in a week or so) takes Whiteside’s 25-man spot and Velez’s 40-man spot. Velez’s best hope is a Torres-like career path, and he’s got awhile before he turns 32. If anyone wants him, they can have him.

4) MadBum kept down until July. Go with a 6-man rotation for two starts when the team has those two stretches with no off days (around All-Star break). Hopefully, Wellemeyer pitches well enough in the next few starts to catch an interesting quasi-prospect from a pitching starved team, but, if he doesn’t, just DFA him. If he has a string of 2-3 bad starts now, bring up MadBum a little early.

5) Affedlt on the 15-day DL. Hamstrings don’t heal overnight. Start fielding healthy players, stop hoping they grit and warrior spirit their way through the pain.

6) Surgery for DeRosa. Even an 80% healthy DeRosa isn’t worth trotting out there when there are several healthy alternatives. It’s going to take a long time to get that wrist right, START NOW.

7) Posey splits time with Bengie at C and plays at 1B vs. lefties. Bengie should be better starting less, and hopefully, he gets hot and is worth something at the deadline.

8) Send Bowker down to get consistent AAA at-bats. Call him up every 10 days to get a couple starts in a row. Call him up earlier/more often if there are injuries, or keep him up longer if Schierholtz or Torres struggle. Just don’t let him rot on the bench anymore. After Rowand has gotten hot for awhile, and if Torres has continued to play well, deal Rowand (eat salary), and start Bowker 4-5 times a week.

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by jasomack on Jun 1, 2010 6:30 AM PDT reply actions  

bowk riding the fresno shuttle’s not gonna work. you’d burn his options inside of a month and i don’t think he sneaks by waivers.

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by beat_la_25 on Jun 1, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Options don't work that way

It’s on a season basis, so once he’s sent down the first time (even at the end of spring training ala Pill or Ford) it counts towards his option years. After that you can bring him up or down as many times as you want without using up more options.

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by EliminateMe on Jun 1, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

ah, wasn’t aware. good to know.

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by beat_la_25 on Jun 4, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Get a good, solid, young—just ready for the bigs—outfielder. Do this by trading a real-value correspondingly young pitcher; the starting staff is set for a while, so a Wheeler or a Maday can be let go if corresponding value is gotten back.

You want to trade Maday for a “good, solid, young—just ready for the bigs—outfielder”? Try to trade him to the Cardinals, I hear they’re also interested in trading Pujols for Velez.

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by Cookyman on Jun 1, 2010 6:36 AM PDT reply actions  

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by S.F. Giangst on Jun 1, 2010 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

My bad (possibly).

I know little about Maday, or even Wheeler; I just keep seeing them mentioned here as the next peelable banana. If there are no top-rank pitching prospects beyond Bumgarner, the organization is in even worse shape than I thought.

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by owlcroft on Jun 1, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wheeler & MadBum are legit prospects

And then Jason Stoffel, Henry Sosa, Eric Surkamp, Matt Graham, Clayton Tanner, Craig Clark & Aaron King all cracked the BA top 30.

Not to mention the “intriguing” arms of Jose Casilla, Jorge Bucardo & Ed Concepcion.

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by Gobroks on Jun 1, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

So . . .

. . . what are we waiting for?

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by owlcroft on Jun 1, 2010 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

If a young, near mlb ready player were going to be had, it would probably take 4 of those guys to pry him loose. Teams just don’t give away cheap talent.

Just get the damn surgery, Mark DeRosa.

by oldjacket on Jun 1, 2010 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are you saying . . .

. . . that aside from Bumgarner, there is no pitcher in the Giants minors potentially worth a good same-age position player? I’m not disputing, just honestly asking.

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by owlcroft on Jun 1, 2010 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wheeler for sure. But after the big two, they’re all fringy or really raw.

by Evan on Jun 1, 2010 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah that's true

…my comment was kinda misleading

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by Gobroks on Jun 2, 2010 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Crap, I just typed out a long response. Somehow deleted the whole thing without posting. Thoughts to come later….

by Missing Barry on Jun 1, 2010 8:31 AM PDT reply actions  

tl;dr

The Giants offseason moves - "meh"
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by SFGuy on Jun 2, 2010 2:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

re: #5

I look at Alex Gordon and the cluster that the Royals call a front office and I see oppertunity.

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by daveinexile on Jun 1, 2010 9:01 AM PDT reply actions  

+1

He strikes me as a classic change of scenery player

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by Gobroks on Jun 1, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Alex Gordon is Fred Lewis?

Belted!

by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jun 2, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's not a bad comp

Lewis was supposed to be the next BLB and Gordon was supposed to be the next George Brett

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by Gobroks on Jun 2, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOVELOVELOVE

this comment.

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by beat_la_25 on Jun 1, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bochy is the culprit at this point

If Posey became the everyday catcher, everything becomes clearer. Bowker should be playing ahead of Rowand. Molina and Rowand are acceptable backup players, and Wellie is an acceptable 5th starter, though I’d trade them (with money) if I could get a hitter or even a good reliever. Downs should be on the team.

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by nogooddeed on Jun 1, 2010 9:01 AM PDT reply actions  

Where would Downs play? Would you install him at 2nd and if so part time ore full time?

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by daveinexile on Jun 1, 2010 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

He’d make a good all-around backup on this team. I’d use him at 2B, SS, 3B, 1B, and LF.

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by Lyle on Jun 1, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

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by nvsfg on Jun 1, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bowker, Torres, Nate – starting OF
Panda, Renteria/Uribe/Sanchez rotating at the middle IF spots, Huff – starting IF
Posey – starting C

Molina and Rowand off the bench. Molina gets maybe 25, 30% of the starts behind the plate to keep Posey fresh. Some of those Posey can play 1B against LHP with Huff on the bench, but most of them Posey will probably be sitting. Rowand will get some starts against LHP for Bowker/Nate, but it will not be a strict platoon for either of them.

Bowker – gets at least 150 PA’s of consistent PT. If he’s horrible, then we can go with another option. If he’s ok or even just starts hitting towards the end of those 150, then he gets at least 200-250 PA’s. If he’s providing positive value overall (not “good” value, just “better than replacement” value), he gets 300+ PA’s. I want to know what Bowker can do. I don’t expect this team to make the playoffs this year, so I think finding out if Bowker fits into our long term plans is a good use of a starting spot.

Joe Martinez – #5 starter. Skip him when we can keep other starts on their normal pitching schedule. Bumgarner should be focusing on improving his skills, specifically his offspeed stuff, rather than trying to earn an MLB spot. His performance isn’t what’s important, he’s not ready for the bigs and shouldn’t be auditioning for a spot right now.

Trade any veterans we can at any point this season, most likely at the trade deadline. Whatever we can get back is good. Be willing to eat money on their contracts if it means getting back more talent in exchange, but I don’t see that as likely, so just flat out salary dumps for as much of the salary as possible is good. Honestly, none of these guys are part of our long term plans, and the playoffs aren’t that likely for us this year, so whatever we can get to help out in the future is good. The only guys that I see as part of our future are Torres (if he keeps giving us value for the minimum) and Zito (because he does give us production, though we’re way overpaying for it, and nobody wants his contract). Hopefully Huff keeps hitting and we can trade him as early as possible, and let Ishikawa get some PA’s to finish up the season. Finding if Ishikawa fits into our future is good, too, so I’d really be pushing to move Huff by the trade deadline at the latest. If Ishikawa can get 200-250 PA’s in the last 2 months of the season, that would be nice.

Ishikawa – bench for now, as I discussed, hopefully Huff is moved so he gets to start consistently, if Huff stops hitting he gets more starts but for now he’s just a backup

DeRosa – surgery

Burrell – would consider keeping him as a bench bat, but probably decide against it.
Guzman – same as Burrell, if he hits enough to warrant some time up in the bigs as a RHH, consider it. Currently he’s not

Downs – on our bench. As long as Renteria/Uribe/Sanchez are healthy AND performing, I don’t see starts for him, but that’s not too realistic. He’ll get some time in place of them all over the infield (I’d also give someone like Panda the day off every once in a while and let Sanchez/Uribe play 3rd, or Downs in case of injury/lack of performance).

Velez – possibly on the bench, in consideration with Burrell/Guzman. He can play many positions (even if not well), is fast, can be useful as a pinch hitter and pinch runner….but he should not ever start unless injuries force it.

Whiteside – sorry, I like you….but you’re not on this roster

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by Missing Barry on Jun 1, 2010 9:51 AM PDT reply actions  

Really great post, as I’ve become accustomed to from you. Although I don’t fully agree that we can’t compete this year, I do think that we should at least find out what pieces we do have for the future, but we can probably compete AND find out at the same time.

OF – Fully agree, and while I didn’t think much of Nasty Nate last year, I think he’s at least earned a chance. I would also play him in CF every one or two days a week, just to see how he handles it. He’s useful in right, but would be great if he can play center. Would be nice to see if Bowker settles in, once he knows he has the spot for a while.

IF – I agree with as well, though I really wouldn’t like to see Renteria anymore. I’d put Downs in in place of Renteria, just to see what we have for the future. Renteria is probably the best SS we have on the roster defensively, but if you think we can’t compete this season, then playing him really is useless. I’d like to see what we have with Ishi, but I would feel bad about getting rid of Huff; I think he’s a pretty good player, and a good clubhouse presence.

As with Molina, I would probably send down Whiteside and give Molina a start or two a week, with Posey at C the rest of the time. I would play Posey more, though, just so he can get accustomed to ML pitching. I don’t want to wear him out, but I think he’s athletic enough to play C 3 out of 5 days, and 1b at least 1 out of 5 days, if not the last of 5. Of course, I’d bring back Whiteside once Molina gets traded/released, as I just kinda like Whiteside.

JoeMart – Definitely fifth starter. Looking through the 2011 free agent class, outside of Povano, there aren’t many starters I’d rather have then him (since we probably couldn’t unload his full contract).

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by theghostofjasonellison on Jun 2, 2010 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

And to be clear it’s not that I think we can’t “compete”, it’s that I think in the end, come October, we’ll be sitting at home. This team isn’t bad, and we’re a few games over .500 as of right now, I expect us to be competitive, I just think actually making the playoffs is unlikely.

by Missing Barry on Jun 3, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

i like your position player moves

a lot. Make it so.

However, Welly, Cassy, and Bauty are all A-OK with me for the nonce.

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by delorean on Jun 1, 2010 9:56 AM PDT reply actions  

I agree with everything except 3a

I would cycle Martinez, Hacker and Pucetas into the 5th spot and hope one of them pitches adequately. I think Bumgarner needs a full year in Fresno.

Everything else was right on.

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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 1, 2010 11:21 AM PDT reply actions  

err...3b

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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 1, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

No problem

Nate has 3b covered.

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by Lyle on Jun 1, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Generally I agree. I would not, however, bring up Bumgarner. I’d leave him in AAA all year, and I’d tell him that his concern is developing pitches, not getting into the big leagues. He’ll be up soon enough.

I’m not sure what Rowand and Molina could bring in trades, but I’d see. I’d keep both on the roster though. If they’re unhappy as back-up players, then they should learn to suck less.

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by giantsfansince1981 on Jun 1, 2010 11:23 AM PDT reply actions  

1. Yes
2. Yes
3a. Meh. I’ll give him a few more starts before I declare him a bust; he’s been awful on the road, but excellent at home. If he can show a little consistency he could be a good #5. If not, Hacker/Pucetas gets the call, Bautista gets sent down, and Wellemeyer moves to long relief
3b. No. Bumgarner is not ready for the bigs, and I don’t want to waste service time on him learning things he should be learning in Fresno.
4. Yeah
5. I don’t know who you have in mind, but acquiring a good, young centerfielder who is just ready for the majors is going to require quite a bit. More than just Wheeler or Maday, who are both at least a couple years away and therefore have serious potential for derailment. Personally, I’m happy with a starting OF of Bower/Torres/Schierholtz; solid to excellent defensively, streaky but potentially excellent offensively. Basically, rotate them with guys like Uribe through the middle of the order depending on whether they’re on a hot streak or cold streak.
6. Bochy yes, Flannery no (why?). I’d give the interim manager position to someone based on the results of a test involving the questions: who should start, Rowand or Schierholtz? Is Renteria better than Uribe? etc.
7. Already sent Bautista down for Hacker/Pucetas to replace Wellemeyer. Casilla can stay; I like his secondary stuff and he seems to have decent control and he’s striking everybody out (7 of 9 outs via the K).

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by quincy0191 on Jun 1, 2010 12:20 PM PDT reply actions  

i don’t see that outfield as potentially excellent, offensively. they might be potentially adequate, but i’m not even convinced of that.

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by delorean on Jun 1, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

wha?

Torres is already excellent offensively, Schierholtz is at least adequate, and if Bowker can show that his improvements from last season carried over to ML, he has potential for excellence too

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by Viliphied on Jun 1, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Torres has been a very pleasant surprise.

But perhaps my bar for “excellent” is higher than yours and quincy’s. He’s been good, which is more than any of us ever hoped for. Schierholtz is adequate, and Bowker, well, I’m still not convinced he’s even a bona fide MLer, much less an excellent one. Hopefully he gets the opportunity to prove himself, but I’m not holding out hope that he’ll get the playing time.

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by delorean on Jun 2, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

among players with 150+ PA

Torres has the 28th highest wOBA in the majors. While playing +D in CF. He’s tied for 15th in the majors in WAR, even though he’s been spending a lot of time at a less premium defensive position. If that’s not excellent, I don’t know what is.

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by Viliphied on Jun 2, 2010 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Offensively, any one of them is better than Rowand and probably better than DeRosa; defensively, Bowker is the worst and he’s probably comparable to DeRosa while Torres and Schierholtz are excellent; financially, the three of them are much better options. Right now, fielding a Bowker/Torres/Schierholtz outfield would be an immediate and significant upgrade overall. Perhaps not excellent, but probably average with potential for more, and that’s enough for this team right now. It’s not like any better options are immediately available (barring a Carl Crawford signing).

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by quincy0191 on Jun 1, 2010 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Plus there’s the whole “finding out if they’re part of our future or not” thing we’ve somehow not managed to do up to this point. When you actually know that, you might just find out you don’t have to throw money at DeRosa or give up on a guy for not magically turning into a 25 HR hitter overnight! Or you might find out you have no real options and you should probably get yourself a nice Holliday….

by Missing Barry on Jun 2, 2010 6:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

i agree with this 100%

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by delorean on Jun 2, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

2. Tell DeRosa to have the surgery now. A healthy DeRosa in 2011 is a needed asset, because this organization has no worthwhile position-player help in the near pipeline (if any anywhere) and few trading chips of any value.

This is what really baffles me about the DeRosa situation. I could understand if it was a one-year deal and they were trying to ride him in to the ground… but they have him next year, too! If he’s broken next year, they’ll look just as stupid, or worse if he sucks this year AND he’s broken next year…

And I disagree with the Bumgarner thing. YEAH JOEY or my boy should get shots first.

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by Sammy Danger on Jun 1, 2010 12:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Problem with signing a "veteran"

35 year old guys with Penn educations who probably don’t plan on hanging around ball forever don’t want to go under the knife if they can avoid it.

by Bitter Fan on Jun 1, 2010 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL Chron (SFGate) stat page

Look at the name listed between Bowker and Velez

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by hokysmksbw on Jun 1, 2010 12:29 PM PDT reply actions  

/ groans

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by daveinexile on Jun 1, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Out with the old, in with the (relatively) new

Tell Bengie and Rowand they are backups, effective immediately. DeRosa goes under the knife. Bowker starts in left with the hope he proves a 20+ HR threat. Wellemeyer doesn’t bother me as much, but why not rotate a few guys (Joey, Pucetas), hoping to strike Sadowski-gold every now and then?
Finally, do everything I can to sign Carl Crawford in the off-season (is this a good idea at all? I’ve convinced myself it is.)

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2. CF – Carl Crawford
3. C – Buster Posey
4. 1B – Pablo Sandoval
5. 3B – Mark DeRosa
6. LF – John Bowker
7. 2B – Freddy Sanchez
8. SS – Juan Uribe

by InTimmyWeTrust on Jun 1, 2010 4:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Fun fact

Carl Crawford’s full name is Carl Demonte Crawford. There was a previous guy in the ML, a guy who got in 1 game as a pitcher for the Phillies in 1996 named Carlos Lamonte Crawford.

Weird.

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by DrStankus on Jun 1, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd love to sign Crawford

I’d rather have Crawford than Jason Bay-but apparently the Yankees love them some CC.

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by Gobroks on Jun 1, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I believe Gardner turns into a 4th OF

or maybe Swisher does

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by Gobroks on Jun 1, 2010 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Doesn't it seem like Crawford

gets way more love than a guy with a 360s OBP as a top end should get?

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by DrStankus on Jun 1, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I dunno, I think he’s the poster child for how far statistical analysis has come, really. Crawford does a lot of little things well, from 2004-2009 Fangraphs has him averaging over 4 WAR per season, and he’s on pace for another ~4 WAR season or so, and Fangraphs doesn’t take his baserunning into account (though it does take SB/ CS into account). rWAR is much more pessimistic on him and I can’t quite figure out why – they don’t like him as much as a defender, they don’t like him much as a hitter (estimates look low, but I don’t think they include SB/CS in the bat runs like Fangraphs does…but the funny thing is, he barely gets any runs from his baserunning in Rally’s, despite his ridiculous SB/CS numbers which I think are included in their baseruns….that seems off to me, unless they set the success rate at too high a percentage…..

Crawford’s age worries me, though, depending on how long a contract we’d be talking about….

by Missing Barry on Jun 1, 2010 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really? I think his age is a plus

He’ll be 29 IIRC, which isn’t too bad-especially comparing him to Bay who is 32 and he got a 4 yr deal. Plus I think Crawford will age much more gracefully than Bay.

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by Gobroks on Jun 1, 2010 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I suppose 29 for a free agent isn’t bad….but he’ll still be leaving his prime in the beginning of the contract. Depends on how long the contract is, of course.

by Missing Barry on Jun 1, 2010 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd feel safe going 5 years with Crawford

3-4 would be ideal, but unlikely

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by Gobroks on Jun 2, 2010 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

There’s honestly not much I would do differently then Sabean at the moment. The bed has already been made in the offseason, there’s not much to do other than lie in it. I especially don’t care for the idea of firing a manager mid-season. Most managers are full of bizarre favorites and counter-productive in game tactics. There’s no need to possibly make life miserable in the clubhouse just to change the nameplate on the door.

I would be looking for ways to quietly kick Molina to the curb, if only because he’s the one with a ready replacement.

Just get the damn surgery, Mark DeRosa.

by oldjacket on Jun 1, 2010 6:04 PM PDT reply actions  

We gave away Freddie Lewis for a roll of toilet paper

If that is what we received for Lewis, what do you think we get for
Molina? Perhaps a roll of toilet paper that is slow to unravel.

by bradleybear on Jun 1, 2010 6:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Used toilet paper

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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 2, 2010 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve been looking over the season’s statistics, and I have come to the conclusion that Santiago Casilla is the greatest pitcher in the history of baseball. No way am I sending him down.

by Evan on Jun 1, 2010 7:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Seriously, as I look over his record, there’s a lot to like. Back in 2005-06, he was just nuts in the PCL — 105 strikeouts in 83 innings, with pretty good control and a respectable home-run rate.

The next year, he got 50 innings in the majors and wasn’t half bad, striking out more than a batter an inning, though he allowed too many HR and his ERA wasn’t very good. In 2008 his strikeout rate plummeted, without any improvement in his control, and in 2009 it plummeted again, leaving him a frankly terrible pitcher.

But maybe the Giants have fixed him. The (very) early returns couldn’t be better, and obviously he still throws very hard.

by Evan on Jun 1, 2010 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

… and more generally, if there’s one thing Bochy has shown he’s pretty good at, it’s building a bullpen. If he thinks Bautista and Casilla are ready to turn the corner, I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt.

by Evan on Jun 1, 2010 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

/plays videogame and blogs about it

by Evan on Jun 1, 2010 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dammit. I had a fatalistic sense that I was writing this that something like last night would happen ASAP.

by Evan on Jun 2, 2010 6:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

If I were Sabean, I’d probably be working hard to manufacture a plausible “injury” to get Rowand on the 15-day DL a la Fred Lewis.

I can’t think of very much else to do. As oldjacket said, at this stage there’s a much greater impact to be had replacing the manager than the GM.

Surgery now for DeRosa sounds fine, I guess.

I’d also send down Buster Posey for 2-3 weeks and then call him up for good. No jerking, no retarded decisions re: service time.

What else… I prefer Pucetas or Yeah Joey! as 5th starter.

Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.

The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga... CHONE WAR projection= 12.7

Current Team: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Molina, Renteria, Schierholtz... CHONE WAR projection= 12.6

by dregarx on Jun 2, 2010 1:17 AM PDT reply actions  

I’d also send down Buster Posey for 2-3 weeks and then call him up for good.

What is the deal with Posey, anyways. Are we comfortable he’s not on track to be Super 2? Is he almost assuredly on track to be Super 2? I didn’t pay attention when we brought him up, I was so flummoxed by the decision to call him up to play 1B so we could move Huff into LF……

by Missing Barry on Jun 2, 2010 6:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

He probably will be a super-2 if they don’t send him down again.

by Evan on Jun 2, 2010 7:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Actually, I think it’s guaranteed. The super-2 cutoff is generally around 130 days, and the all-time high is 140 days; Posey’s around 145 by my calculations.

by Evan on Jun 2, 2010 7:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Then why the hell is he up? Why didn’t we just bring him up at the beginning of the season? How does anything about the way we’re handling Posey make sense at all? God I hate this franchise so, so much.

by Missing Barry on Jun 2, 2010 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Look, if he hadn’t spent those 32 games working on his catching technique in Fresno, he wouldn’t be ready to play first base in the majors. Why is this so hard for you people to understand?

by Evan on Jun 2, 2010 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jeez, it really isn’t that hard to figure out. It has to do with the pitching. The pitchers in AAA through like MLB infielders, so having him catch was obviously a way to get him use to the throws by our infielders. Plus the 1st base bag in AAA is larger and we don’t want him to be confused.

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by say hey nation on Jun 2, 2010 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I was really hoping the Giants had found some loophole on the days of service to get him up a few days/weeks earlier. Silly me.

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by ResDog on Jun 2, 2010 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

LOL 6 MILLION DOLLARS FOR A CRAPPY FAT CATCHER WE DIDN'T EVEN NEED!

BONUS LULZ BECAUSE THAT CATCHER HAS A BAD ATTITUDE!

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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 2, 2010 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

There’s no reason for him to be up. He’s up to play first base. What the fuck is that about? Really? He hasn’t caught a damn inning since he came up. At this point, I honestly hope they send him back down when they call up Burrell (not that I love that idea) just to save the money. Of course then it’d be brutally obvious that’s what they’re doing, but whatever. He can go back to catching in Fresno for a bit. This is all pretty rediculous.

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by giantsfansince1981 on Jun 2, 2010 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd avoid this

by signing Posey to a long term deal today.

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by Gobroks on Jun 2, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

So we could move Schierholtz out of the lineup.

Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.

by Cody_ransom on Jun 2, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

And in conclusion . . .

Now that posting has dried up, let me wrap it with a few last thoughts. These reflect some changes from the original post ideas and some comments on some other proposals in evidence.

Bumgarner : OK, I am willing to accept that he still needs development work, and would be willing to accept Joe Martinez as the 5th starter. Whenever Bumgarner is ready, whether later this year or not till next year, he becomes the 5th starter and Martinez either sticks in the bullpen or is gone, depending on what he does this year.

The OF : If Burrell can still hit, something we should know fairly soon (I knew that one game was as much as he was going to have to wait before being a starter), he can take the role assigned to Bowker in the rotation-use table atop this post; if not, bring back Bowker. If Burrell does make valuable enough contributions to mitigate his glovework, then let’s see if Bowker again tears up the PCL. If so, while it still doesn’t prove anything, I’d bring him back as soon as Rowand can be disposed of.

Otherwise, I see no reason to change anything from what I first set forth. Please note that in no case of a player to be disposed of—Molina, Rowand, Wellemeyer—do I suggest that they have any real and definite trade value: that was the point of the opening sentence about sunk costs. Rowand will probably have a hot streak at some point—soon, we hope—and bring his stats up to the level Bochean types like, at which point he is disposed of for as much—or as little, who cares?—as the market will bring. You might be surprised what some of these guys might fetch from somewhere: un sot trouve toujours un plus sot etc. etc.

I am more convinced than ever that none of the three mentioned above has any value for the Giants in any capacity whatever.

And I still expect Casilla and Bautista to torch the joint given time and gasoline enough.

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by owlcroft on Jun 6, 2010 1:40 AM PDT reply actions  

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