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by steve S on May 30, 2010 11:14 PM PDT
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PrintSunday highlights from the Giants' farm: Juan Perez homered among four hits, and Pat Burrell homered in his Giants debut while also singling. Also notable, both Ehire Adrianza and Tyler Graham had three hits, and both Brock Bond and Wendell Fairley reached base four times.
AAA: Fresno lost to Salt Lake City 6-5 (10 inning)
(after allowing one run in both the 8th and 9th innings)
Fresno: 2B Brock Bond: 2 for 4, 2B, 2 BB, SO, CS, E
Fresno: LF Tyler Graham: 3 for 5, 2B, SB, CS
Fresno DH Pat Burrell: 2 for 5, HR, SO
Salt Lake: LF Peter Bourjos: 3 for 5, BB, IBB, SB
Fresno: SP Joe Martinez: 5.1 IP, 6 H, 3 R, 0 ER, 3 BB, 6 K
Fresno: RP Waldis Joaquin: 1.2 IP, 1 H, 2 K
Fresno: RP Brandon Medders: 1.0 IP, 1 R, 1 ER, 2 BB
In his first game in the Giants organization, Burrell had two hits, including a HR in the 4th inning. Batting leadoff, Bond reached base four times, pushing his OBP up to .406. He also committed his 8th error. Batting second in the lineup, Graham had three hits. He has hit .379 in 66 AB with Fresno. He also has 10 SB. Bourjos, whom Baseball America ranked as the Angels' #2 prospect, reached base four times while batting leadoff. He has had a somewhat disappointing first two months in the PCL, hitting .267/.315/.382 through 165 AB.
After five scoreless innings, three unearned runs were charged to Martinez's record in the 6th inning. This start brought his ERA below 3.50, while Joaquin improved his ERA to an even 1.00. Medders walked two of the five batters he faced in his first rehab appearance.
AA: Richmond lost to Bowie 6-2
(allowing two runs in both the 8th and 9th innings)
Richmond: 3B Conor Gillaspie: 2 for 4, 2B, SO
Richmond: SP Clayton Tanner: 5.1 IP, 6 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 3 K--1 HB
Richmond: RP Tony Pena Jr.: 1.0 IP, 1 H, 1 K
Gillaspie was the only Flying Squirrel to reach base, including once via his 10th double.
Tanner made his first start in two weeks. There's nothing too remarkable about this start statistically aside from issuing just one walk as his walk rate has generally been too high this year (BB/IP of 0.45). His walk rate has been inconsistent. While he's basically averaged two walks per start, he has never issued exactly two walks in one of his nine starts, issuing one walk in five starts and issuing at least three walks in the other four starts. Pena allowed both runners he inherited with no outs in the 9th inning to score but otherwise maintained his sub-2.00 ERA.
A+: San Jose defeated Rancho Cucamonga 7-6 (10 innings)
(despite allowing four runs in the 9th inning)
San Jose: CF Juan Perez: 4 for 6, HR
San Jose: SS Ehire Adrianza: 3 for 5, 2B, SB
San Jose: 2B Charlie Culberson: 2 for 4, 2 2B, BB, SB
San Jose: LF Wendell Fairley: 2 for 3, 2 BB, SB
San Jose: SP Justin Fitzgerald: 5.2 IP, 6 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 3 BB, 5 K--1 HR, 1 PO
San Jose: RP Jason Stoffel: 1.2 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 2 BB, 1 K
Perez had four of the Giants' eleven hits, raising his AVG to .348. He led off the bottom of the 1st inning with his 6th HR. Fairley also reached base four times, raising his OBP to .352, although his SLG is just .289 given that he has just 3 XBH in 128 AB this year. Adrianza's three hits lifted his AVG above .250. Culberson had his 15th and 16th doubles, raising his SLG to .539 in May. He also had just his second walk among 115 AB this month.
After five straight starts with at least 6.0 IP, Fitzgerald fell an out short of the quality start. He also allowed a season-high 3 BB. Stoffell had his 3rd blown save in the 9th inning but did pitch a scoreless 10th inning for the win.
A-: Augusta hosting Asheville suspended in 5th inning with Asheville leading 3-2
(This game is scheduled to be finished tomorrow ahead of the regularly scheduled game.)
Augusta: 2B Ryan Cavan: 2 for 2, 2B
Augusta: SS Ydwin Villegas: 1 for 1, BB
Augusta: SP Chris Heston: 5.0 IP, 7 H, 3 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 5 K--1 WP
The GreenJackets' middle infielders both reached base in their first two plate appearances, with this game being Villegas's debut in full-season ball.
Heston bounced back from his previous two starts (16 ER on 21 H in 7.0 IP) with this solid effort, getting his ERA back below 7.00.
DSL: The Gigantes had their regular Sunday off-day
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Burrell in the headline while Sanchez never was
GRM won’t be happy about this.
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
Obvious Bias
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
Patt Burell's Name Was Not In All Capitol Letters With Smily Faces And Harts All Around It
I smell bias.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
Actually I Am Happy To See That My Complaint Has Been Heard And The Change Requested Has Been Made
by giantsrainman on May 31, 2010 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions
You should be embarrassed
You’re a running joke. And not in the way where it’s friendly.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
Whatever
Your opinion just does not matter to me.
by giantsrainman on May 31, 2010 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Why do you post here?
My Son, fourth outfielder extraordinaire.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
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by NuschlerFace on May 30, 2010 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions
What kind of prospect is Justin Fitzgerald? I know the person who is hosting him.
The Giants offseason moves - "meh"
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I believe he's likely a fringe prospect at best
He’s 24 and from a college (UC Davis IIRC). That said he seems to be having a terrific season, so maybe he’s got a shot.
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Still Holding Out Hope For Charlie
Culberson is a beast. He told me to pass along to the McCoven that the BB was for gyuys.
Still Holding Out Hope For Ehire. The young 20 year old is heating up with the weather.
Still Holding Out Hope for JCP. The Jackal is doing well at the leadoff spot.
The Flying Frounded Squirrels are running in mud. C’mon fellas act as you care! Don’t let The MeatGrinder eat you alive.
Good to see Burrell has his dingerz stroke. Keep hacking brother and you will be able to see the CIty from your dugout.
If Rohlinger gets sent to DL who will the GIants call up Downs?
I'm still fairly high on Ehire
JCP is intriguing-BTW what do you think of the star of his alum, Andrelton Simmons?
And I gotta think the Giants will bring back Downs, instead of using a 40 man spot on Berroa
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do not know anything about the fella. The was a school in Idaho that the Giants used to go to annually in the draft. Believe Bernard, Ellison and some other dude were drafted from there so would not be surprised if SF went back to that same school for another draft prospect.
What are your thoughts on a 3 day draft? I believe it is a day too long. Day 1 should be first 3-5 rounds. Day 2 could be remainder of draft.
So do you have a new mock? Which players are on your Top 5 dudes to draft list?
Simmons is a SS/RHP projected to go in the 2nd-3rd round
I think a 3 day draft is a day too long.
I like your suggestion of 5 rds on day 1 and 45 on day 2.
I’m almost done with a new mock and my top 5 are:
1-C. Colon-SS-CSU Fullerton
2-K. Cowart-3B/RHP-HS (Ga)
3-N. Castellanos-3B-HS (Fla)
4-M. Foltynewicz-RHP-HS (Ill)
5-S. Allie-RHP-HS (Ohio).
Ranaudo’s injury history and reaction from the injury looks worse than I thought it would be and he scares me. And I thought Vitek might have Dan Uggla defense at 2nd but it sounds like he has Velez defense at 2nd, so no thanks. Apparently Wilson can’t hit a breaking ball.
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*oh and I should add
Credit to Fla-Giant to selling me on Folty.
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From Fla-Giant's sell job? here ya go
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2010/5/25/1487121/draft-talk#38325533
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His frame and projectability sound similar to Zack Wheeler. I too love pitchers who can bust a bat and get groundouts.
Hmmm the first name I thought of was Tim Alderson
because of how polished he sounds. But I love Sinkerballers and I love preps who can throw a change up. Just get Tidrow to help him sharpen his breaking ball and he’ll be good to go.
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Mike Foltyabcdefghijlklmnop
Mike Foltynewicz: I throw a two-seam fastball, four-seam fastball, curve, slider, and changeup. Early in the inning or game, I’ll get my four-seam 93-95 MPH, touching a 96 or 97 every once in a while. I’d say I sit with my four-seam 90-93 MPH, and my two-seam 89-91 MPH. Usually I’ll throw my two-seam to lefty batters, throwing it at them and trying to break It on the inside corner. My curveball is more of a 12-to-6 break and my slider is that hard break to the left. I throw the curve at probably 71-74 MPH and the slider up to the 78-80 MPH range. Throwing my slider after my fastball gets a lot of batters because the two pitches look alike. My changeup is a circle-change, comes in around 85 MPH, and has that hard bite down and to the right. I had a splitter at one point but I put that to the side – it may help me down the road at some point, but not right now.
I like what I see
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I can't him making it out of the Supp. 1st
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That analysis on Folty is a bit off. From the 3 reports that I’ve read he doesn’t really have a curveball to speak of – certainly not one that he can throw for a strike – so he’s rarely thrown it this season. And his slider is more of a slurve, so it doesn’t have the “hard break” that this report speaks of.
HIs go-to pitch, after the hard sinking FB, is the change. He already has an above average one (very rare for a HSer with such velo on his FB), with good movement. His change is thrown with the same motion and arm-speed as his FB, so it’s been very effective for him.
If he had any half-way decent breaking pitch the analysts would surely be talking about him going in the middle of the 1st round – given his plus FB and above average changeup.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Oh, I see. I thought it was just a gimmick for an analyst to write about the prospects in the first person voice. It makes sense that he wants to talk up his breaking pitches, because that’s the main thing that’s keeping him from being drafted higher.
One thing I should have added above, is that Folty is also downgraded due to his tendency to be a nibbler and not let his dominant stuff do the work for him. Because of that he’s walked more batters than the scouts like.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
The MLB draft is different than the NBA and NFL drafts where you see immediate results of a draft prospects. MLB draft can produce a lot of incorrect evaluations and many top draft picks never see the MLs.
With that in mind my philosophy is to go with a baseball player rather than an athlete. I might lose out in a lot of high ceiling guys however I believe I would get enough talent to compete. For example, I wanted Mike Leake in 2009 draft. I saw Leake as a floor of a #3 starter but more likely a #2 starter. While the Matzeks, Wheelers, Turners, etc have higher ceilings I would not be surprised if half never succeed.
So in 2010 I have the same feeling of Christian Colon. I see him as Derek Jeter Lite. To me his floor is an ASG or two however I see him as a 5+ time ASG. Gut feel.
+1
I agree with your analysis of Colon. If he’s there at #24 I’d take him in a heartbeat – even over Ranaudo. I think he can easily stick at SS, given his bat remains a plus.
His D is certainly no worse than Jeter’s or Ripken, Jr. (and they are both future HOFers). With Colon you get the same type of intangibles that Jeter and Ripken provided. He’s the type of player that can set the tone for your whole team – a natural winner. He just always seems to be in the right place at the right time – especially in the big moments and big games.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
I no longer think Ranaudo will still be there at #24. Apparently he put it all together in his last outing against the Florida Gators on Wednesday night. He finally had his control and location back – with a good breaking curve that he was able to throw for strikes. If he follows this up with another good outing in the NCAA Regionals this weekend, then I can’t see him falling past #20.
For the record, I was never worried about the elbow, because he was still throwing with the save velo when he came back. The reason that he was being knocked around by the hitters was that he couldn’t locate or control any of his pitches. Even college kids can hit a 93 mph FB when it’s thrown right down the middle of the plate.
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45 rounds in a day? Wouldn’t that take like twelve hours? Besides, I don’t think anyone actually watches the selections after the third round or so (do they even televise after that round?), so does it really make a difference to wait an extra day for the irrelevant picks of the last 20 rounds?
Goodbye, Steven Johnson, we hardly knew ye. Seriously, that was short.
Well IIRC the last rounds are in a conference call style
And if they televised all 50 rounds I’d watch it-but then again I’m probably the only 18 yr old without a facebook so…
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Believe MLB Network is only televising Day 1 which is Round 1 and the Supplmental Round. That would be a total of 50 picks. It begins at 3:00pm PT
Yep-June 7, right?
I just got MLBN at my house today.
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Much oblige for above link.
Regarding the MLB draft I found the best sources for prospects a team may be considering are Jonathan Mayo and Jim Callis/John Manuel from BA. Especially as draft day nears these guys have the sources to know whick players a team is honing in on.
This week the draft should be taking shape.
Yep those guys are very good
As of right now the first 6 picks look pretty much set. Not sure what the Mets will do though. IMO they should take Colon.
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Shame on you!
Sounds as if Colon is dropping in the draft. Will be interesting to see what the Giants will do if Colon, Ranaudo, O’Connor, Folkz are available.
I'd grab Colon in that scenario
And it wouldn’t be that difficult of a decision.
Also I think I’m almost as high on Colon as you are-If I was running the Royals I’d think about popping him at #4. But I hope he gets to the Giants.
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the kid can flat out play. I think the Reds will grab him. It will make me cry because then they will have drafted BOTH the guy I wanted in 2009 (Leake) and then the guy I wanted in 2010 (Colon), Colon would be a star in Cincy,
Definitely
Plus if he can stay at SS he gives them a legit prospect at SS (no offense, Zach Cozart) or he can give them the flexibility to trade Brandon Phillips if he gets too rich for their blood.
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Heh I just realized I made a pun
(no offense, Zach Cozart)
cuz he’s more known for his defense
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Happy Memorial Day
thanks to all our vets
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Someone tell Ginats Brasz
That there’s no DH in the NL and if he wants to play for the Giants he’ll have to be some semblance of a fielder.
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btw
Salem Keizen had their first game of the season today. I’m not sure the box score is correct though, it said that Joseph and Stoffel played in that game. As Joseph also played for Augusta and Stoffel played for San Jose today, this seems highly unlikely.
heh
last season
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by MetalFaceDoom on May 31, 2010 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I must have missed what happened to Roger K…haven’t seen him in the line-up in over a week.
.277/.399/.518 out of a shortstop?!
Keep on, keepin' on, Ryan Cavan
er...
maybe it’s just that in his past 10 games, he’s 2 for 37
.277/.399/.518 out of a shortstop?!
Keep on, keepin' on, Ryan Cavan
Back spasms. 7 Day DL.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
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Weird. Gillaspie seems to have transitioned from a guy who couldn’t do anything but walk into one of the worse hackers in the system. His secondary average is as bad as Dominguez. His walk rate is worse than Juan Carlos Perez. Until yesterday his OBP had been below .300 for weeks.
I wonder if he thought he was being too passive last year? If so, it hasn’t worked. His SLG and BA are just as bad as last year.
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How does Juan Perez project, as a hitter? Is he likely to be a middle-of-the-order hitter, or more of a set-up guy? And, for that matter, how does he look in the OF, given that we tried him at 2B for awhile? Is he just a hitter looking for a defensive spot? Does he have enough arm for RF? Enough speed for CF? Or is he a future LF only?
Matt Downs: the next in a long line of decent hitters the Giants will discard for no good reason.
The Lunatic Fringe was right!
I think we drafted him because he hit a bajillion and two HRs in JC as I recall, so I’m guessing power is his best tool. They do seem to be trying him all over the field defensively, though interestingly only toward the more premium end of the scale thus far.
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Is it just me
or does the system look pretty desolate beyond Mad Bum since Gerald was called up?
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
yeah, it seems to...
a lot f the bats i had high hopes for this year are struggling, especially neal. go JCP and belt !
it was always that way. We were a top 15 system on the strength of the top 2 prospects. When MadBum gets called up, our system will look a lot like the dodgers after their promotion of kershaw. Some talent left, but way the fuck down the line.
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That, and we have a lot of high-ceiling guys in SK and extended spring training. Once the short season teams start playing, there’ll be a few more prospects to watch, like RafRod
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by theghostofjasonellison on May 31, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Forgot about Raffy
LOOOOOVE him.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Once again, they are all suspects until they can achieve success at the AA level then they become prospects. The MeatGrinder that is AA has chewed up many of suspects/prospects throughout the years.
I did not figure the A+ San Jose 2009 team to all have success at AA Richmond in 2010. Neither did I expect them all to cower in the corner en masse.
We can only hope that a few wake up before September.
“a lot”?
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any word on when wheeler will be back?
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Force of habit
For the first ten seconds or so, I couldn’t figure out why Posey wasn’t mentioned.
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