minor lines, 5/3/10
by steve S on May 3, 2010 10:34 PM PDT
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PrintHighlights from the Giants' farm: Joe Borchard hit for the cycle, Nick Noonan homered among his three hits, Clay Timpner reached base in all four plate appearances, and Eric Hacker had a quality start to win his fifth straight start.
AAA: Fresno defeated Colorado Springs 14-4
Fresno: 2B Brock Bond: 3 for 6, SO
Fresno: CF Mike McBryde: 0 for 6, 3 SO
Fresno: 1B Buster Posey: 1 for 3, 2B, 2 BB, SO
Fresno: RF Joe Borchard: 5 for 6, HR, 3B, 2B
Fresno: SP Eric Hacker: 6.0 IP, 6 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, 7 K--1 HB, 1 BK
Borchard had the big night, hitting for the cycle with his 5th HR, 2nd triple, and 3rd double. He raised his AVG to .367. Bond's three hits raised his AVG to .319. Posey was one of several other Grizzlies to reach base three times. McBryde, the only Grizzlies starter without a hit, had the oh-fer with the hat trick.
Hacker had another fine start, although statistically this might have been his worst start of the year with two runs allowed. The conditions were presumably quite favorable for hitters with the wind officially blowing out to LF at 23 mph. Hacker has won all five of his starts.
AA: Richmond defeated Altoona 9-5
Richmond: 2B Nick Noonan: 3 for 5, HR, 2 SO
Richmond: SS Brandon Crawford: 2 for 3, 3B, 2 BB
Richmond: CF Clay Timpner: 3 for 3, HBP
Richmond: SP David Mixon: 5.0 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 4 K--1 BK
Altoona: SP Tim Alderson: 5.0 IP, 9 H, 5 R, 4 ER, 0 BB, 8 K--1 HB
Noonan homered for the second straight day, and the three hits raised his AVG to .241. Crawford and Timpner both reached base four times. Crawford's line is now .250/.355/.395 through 76 AB. In comparison to last year, his AVG is lower, but his OBP is higher.
Mixon had another effective start. After allowing 4 ER in his first start of the year, he has allowed just 4 ER over his subsequent four starts combined. He now has a 2.51 ERA. Facing his former team, Alderson, whom the Pirates acquired from the Giants in the Freddy Sanchez deal, had 8 K after having had just 7 K over his previous four starts. He also had a season-high 9 H, raising his BAA to .330.
A+: San Jose had its first scheduled off-day
(Their next scheduled off-day is May 25, with three doubleheaders schedule in that time frame as well.)
A-: Augusta hosting Greenville was postponed by rain
(A makeup doubleheader is scheduled for tomorrow.)
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LOL @ Alderson.
Happy to see Noonan and Crawford killing it at the top of the order. On base 7 times combined, and scored 5 times.
LOL Noonan
Nick Noonan hits an inside-the-park home run (2) on a pop up to shallow left field.
Unfortunately, it wasn't LOL
The center fielder and left fielder both dived headfirst for it, and collided. Both had to leave the game, though both were able to get off the field mostly under their own power.
It was the second collision in two days at The Diamond, after seeing Darren Ford and Roger Kieschnick collide yesterday.
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by BruteSentiment on May 3, 2010 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Kieschnick’s numbers are just abysmal so far this year. How’d he look to you compared with last year?
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Where the heck has his power gone?
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Into the wind turbines being run by his awesome ability to swing and miss, I’d guess.
22 K in 94 PA!
5 BB!
That’s downright Domindingerzesque! Except without the domindingerz!
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It’s not that different from last year, is it? Just doesn’t have the shiny AVG to hide it.
I was promised lasagna.
Well, the shiny SLG really. .532 down to .319. Ugh!
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I think the real question is...
where the heck has the Cal League gone?
by NeifiChicken on May 4, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Brock Bond: Possibly a viable second baseman. If he could hit .300, his OBP would be Bonds-lite.
Goodbye, Steven Johnson, we hardly knew ye. Seriously, that was short.
Well the guy just keeps getting on base. But he still has no power at all. He has a .415 OBP right now, and his MLE is still just .270/.348/.322. He needs to at least find some gaps to be a useful player, and he’s getting old enough that I think it’s fair to be skeptical that the SLG is ever going to show up.
His ISO comprable to Duane Kuiper’s minor league numbers – and he’s actually hitting home runs even less frequently than Kuiper did in the minors, if you can believe that.
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Brock Bond: 2 HR in 1242 PA
Duane Kuiper, minor leagues: 7 HR, 1817 PA
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Is he as good in the field?
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From what I hear, he’s probably not even adequate at 2B.
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I keep seeing this and wondering where does it come from. I’ve seen him play and he’s certainly adequate ithough not flashy.
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so if this is true
he’s no glove, no hit? I certainly hope he runs fast or he’ll never make it to SF.
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by natteringnabob on May 4, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
He makes a lot of contact, but he has no power. And he’s not really fast or athletic. It’ll be interesting to see how his career turns out.
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Hope he at least gets a cup of coffee or two. I can’t help but root for a guy with such a strange, old-school skill set.
Plus, there’s the whole drafted by mistake thing. I mean if that doesn’t make you want to see a guy make it to the bigs, nothing will.
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He was drafted by mistake!? How do I not know this story?
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I’m with you, I want to know more.
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by Speedforthewin on May 4, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
The story is, the Giants actually wanted Casey Bond at that spot — whom they took in the next round, and who is now out of baseball.
at least they got Bonds…
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 4, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
When I read it it came from Jack Hiatt — which is about the worst place for a negative review to come from if a guy wants to see SF. On the bright side, Hiatt likes his bat.
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Link?
I’ve been looking around and the only negative comments on his defense come from here.
As I’ve stated, he’s not dazzling to watch but he’s no Eugenio either. When the Grizzlies were here in Portland last weekend he made a play ranging to his right for the final outs of the game that showed pretty good range, well within what should be expected for a 2nd baseman.
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I read it in the print edition of BA, in one of their organizational reports last year — same one that told the story of his being drafted by mistake. But those reports are behind the subscriber wall which I’m not, so I can’t give you a link. The story had a bunch of quotes from Hiatt, first on the mistaken drafting, then on Brock’s surprising offensive showing since becoming a pro, and lastly on his defense.
With the caveat that I read this about 8 months ago and am going on only my fairly decent memory, Hiatt’s quote on his defense was something along these lines: “he doesn’t really have great hands or natural instincts, but we’ll keep moving him around and see if he sticks somewhere. He hits wherever we put him, though.”
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I’m glad your memory is doing well, mine blows.
Thanks for the clarification. I’ve followed Brock since his days here in SK and have not seen glaring holes in his defense like those that have been described so I’m always curious about how things like that get started.
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I'll put in a tidbit from my upcoming scouting report here regarding Alderson
Just my observations on Tim Alderson:
No speed gun, but velocity appeared to have a touch more jump than in the past. In the first couple of innings, his fastball was very hittable. Appears to be throwing it with a little more sidearm than before, lending it to have more of a cut in on left-handers. Curveball is what it was before: his best pitch. Most of his strikeouts came from it, and he was locating it in the zone. Wasn’t doing that with the fastball or changeup. Windup has a bit more hand movement than before. Still is landing and locking his plant knee. Was inconsistent on floating over, but came a little more over than he was last season.
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FWIW, I saw a note in Baseball America that Alderson apparently convinced the Pirates to let him go back to his old high school mechanics that the Giants had altered as he thought he would get a couple ticks back on his fastball. (Or that’s what I recall of the note.)
I recall something earlier this season where Alderson was complaining that the Giants tried to overhaul his delivery and it messed him up. Do you know anything about that? I always thought they should have overhauled his delivery, but I didn’t know they tried.
I know they tried...
I didn’t really get to see his pre-Giants windup, so it’s possible what I saw yesterday was him back to it. I know the Giants were more concerned about the arm motion than the awkward leg kick, which is what most people keyed in on. He didn’t appear to be fighting his leg the way he was in Connecticut last year, but it still looks awkward to me.
His fastball remains a problem, though. Hitters were locked in on it, and most of the hits he gave up were solid hits off of it. Even the ball that Neal hit that was dropped in the first was a solidly hit, squared up ball. Most of the game, I was at the side so I didn’t get to see if it had any late motion, but it was awfully straight, even if straight at an angle from the sidearm throwing.
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by BruteSentiment on May 4, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought the story was that they had to create a windup delivery for him, because he never used one in high school — he always threw out of the stretch. Did I totally make that up?
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You are correct.
That delivery and arm action may scare some people off. He pitches exclusively from the stretch, something they start pitchers with in their freshman and sophomore seasons. Alderson stayed with it and made it work for him.
That’s from his 2007 draft card on MLB.com
http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/events/draft_report/y2007/tracker.jsp?mc=alderson
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Eric Hacker, ex - Yankee farmhand.
Will management promote him to the bigs or is he this year’s Ramon Ortiz – nothing more than a useful tool for Fresno?
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by victor frankenstein on May 4, 2010 3:47 AM PDT reply actions
Hacker just keeps striking people out
WTF?
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I hadn’t thought of Ramon Ortiz, but he’s a good comp. You don’t have to have great stuff to put up good strikeout numbers in AAA.
I imagine that we will find out in September.
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 4, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
2009 K/9 leaders in the PCL (min. of 120 IP)
Age SO/9 SO/BB P.J. Walters 24 8.4 2.57 Carlos Alvarado 31 8.2 2.73 Ramon Ortiz 36 7.9 3.35 Mitch Atkins 23 7.8 2.44 E. Caridad 25 7.8 2.48 Matt Kinney 32 7.7 2.98 Lenny DiNardo* 29 7.5 3.34 Adam Ottavino 23 7.4 1.45 Hector Ambriz 25 7.3 2.58 David Purcey* 27 7 1.4
I have no idea who Carlos Alvarado is.
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Brandon Crawford's line isn't great
But he’s drawing walks, which is a great sign.
Last year, he drew just 20 walks in 423 PA in AA. This year, in just 94 PA, he’s already up to 11 BB.
His strikeout rate’s down a bit, too – last year in AA, he struck out 100 times in those 423 PA. This year, 17 times in 94 PA. That’s about 18% of the time instead of about 24%.
So that’s progress at least.
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Man, it would be pretty sweet if he could just repeat that line in the bigs.
.250/.355/.395 with good defense? Yes, please.
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I’m holding out hope that it clicks for Crawford at the dish. C’mon Stephen Drew Jr.
Please tell me we have moved past the dark ages of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
I've heard JJ Hardy as a comp
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I’m pretty pleased with Crawford’s year so far.
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Me too. I think he’ll show a bit more power, but I could definitely live with that average and that OBP.
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by theghostofjasonellison on May 4, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s starting to square the ball up. His triple would’ve been a home run in Fresno or San Jose. Not sure about SF, would depend on the wind that day.
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by BruteSentiment on May 4, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
will it be affected though?
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Effectively.
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by victor frankenstein on May 4, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Borchard!
This kid may have a big future!
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He is having a nice season. I like the fact that a once highly rated prospect hangs in there and may get another shot at the bigs (probably not in SF)…
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yes
It would be nice to think that if he kills for half a year he could end up in SF, but that’s not going to happen.
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by natteringnabob on May 4, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I think we have our fill or corner OF’s who bounce between AAA and the bigs, but maybe the Yankees will throw us some scraps for him. I’d certainly prefer him over what they have now….
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Winn hit a HR!
I was super happy for him, even if it was for the yankees.
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I am happy for him too…. but that does not change the fact that he is not very good
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Pretty much
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In this line
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Borchard was a beast when he played for Stanford. Shit, every guy on that team was a beast that year. It’s strange that not a one of them even really made a dent in the bigs.
Monday Monkey lives for the weekend, sir.
There is something about the approach that they teach hitters at Stanford that doesn’t lead to success in the majors. Or, that’s the theory at least. If I’m remembering correctly, they emphasize an inside-out approach.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
But Dave McCarty was such a superstar.
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Jeffrey Hammonds FTW!
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I remember when the O’s drafted him out of Stanford. They had taken Mussina the year or two before and people were pumped. What a bust he turned out to be!
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Hammonds
he certainly didn’t live up to his talent-potential, but he did make an all star team (aided by Colorado stats), though it seems that injuries are what did him in as he never played more than 128 games in a season.
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 4, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s fair, but the hype was tremendous. He was the 4th overall pick and ended up with a career .272 .338 .449 line. IMO That is fine, but not 4th overall pick fine…
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Eh, probably better than <a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/grillja01.shtmlhttp://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/grillja01.shtml" >this guy. And way better than this guy. In fact, the history of #4s is not particularly a star studded affair, despite a nice little stretch there at the beginning.
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Yikes! Format fail. How’d I do that?
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I’m sure I am just injecting my own biases. I had just returned to Baltimore in 1991. Camden opened in ’92 and the team was young and exciting. They has done well in the first round with Gregg Olson, Ben McDonald, and Mussina in successive years. The expectations for Hammonds were very high and he was good when he got there. The problem was he could not stay healthy and never really amounted to much. I always liked him and was thrilled to see him in a Giants uniform in 2003.
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right. definitely would want more out of a #4 pick.
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 6, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
wait
I just noticed something…
Fresno: 1B Buster Posey
@@$^&&%$^&(
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What suprises me most about Posey at first is that he got sent back down to AAA to get more experience at CATCHING and yet he is playing first. And did I say suprised? Nothing Sabean does suprises me much any more.
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He caught yesterday, he’ll catch tomorrow. They just put him at first every few games to save his knees but keep his bat in the lineup.
Yeah
even I’m not freaking out about that. Isn’t this like his first game at 1B? Not a big deal.
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No, I think he’s played a few. But I don’t mind as long as the bulk of his PT comes at catcher
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I'm all for swinging the bat on off-days
but they’re one month into the season so “a few” makes me nervous. Especially when the other catcher is Holm. I’d rather see some old ML guy, or another kid who might have a chance at something.
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by natteringnabob on May 4, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
What?
What other catcher do the Giants have that would play for posey?
And it makes sense for them to not have him catch EVERY game, since nobody can do that.
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that's my point
I don’t think he’s going to learn much from Holm, and I don’t think Holm is ever going to play in SF again.
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by natteringnabob on May 4, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
So who should it be?
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6 games at 1B
to 17 at catcher, according to baseball-reference.
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I admit, I get a little annoyed when I see ‘1B’ besides Posey’s name in the boxscores.
But if they are truly “saving his legs” or whatever, I’m OK with it. I just hope the Giants think Posey can actually, you know, catch. Because they’re going to need him next year.
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17 games at C, 6 at 1B through 24 games.
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by natteringnabob on May 4, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
This
I think the only reason people freak out is because the organization shows signs they may not think Posey is a good catcher.
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by Speedforthewin on May 4, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
nah
My concern is that his value is MUCH higher at catcher than at 1B. You can put any old fat power-hitter at 1B, whereas a catcher with pop is a much more valuable commodity. Ipso facto, Gerald is worth more behind the plate.
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Yeah, that too. I get really confused when people want to shift Posey around. It just doesn’t make a lick of sense. To steal a phrase from GRM, IT’S FLAT ASS WRONG!
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I think most people want to shift him around so that he might actually stand to have more than 17 PA in something like 35 games. This is not such a horrible thing.
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I get the feeling that it’s not about this season, but long term and how Posey will eventually break down because of the workload of catching. I think it’s premature, because for the time span that the Giants will control Posey, they should look to play him where he’s most valuable. By the time he’s a free agent, he’ll most likely be off the team, and I really don’t care if he’s playing 1B or 2B for the Yankees.
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That is like my kid trying to save her ice cream so she can enjoy it for as long as possible on a 90 degree day in the desert
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I think the only reason people freak out is because the organization shows signs they may not think
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by victor frankenstein on May 4, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Would help you to think of it as saving him for September, when he is playing in the bigs?
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by Johnny Disaster on May 4, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I think he’s (partially) a backup plan at 1B in case Huff implodes. I don’t think the Giants can think long term about what’s going to happen in September. Over the past few years, the Giants moves seem more reactionary than well thought out planned moves.
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This is true, but the team (among others) clearly felt he was gassed by the end of last year.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 4, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
he admitted he was tired while playing in the AFL
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 4, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
He should have been, he’d been going almost non-stop for a year and a half.
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Yes, I’m one of the others as well. Keeping him in AAA, limiting his workload and having Decker observe and work with him for the first half of the year is pretty much what I was hoping for, so him getting regular starts at first doesn’t bother me…
I’m wondering if they use his first base days to also do side sessions/drills for catching.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 4, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t know why they let him play arena football in the first place.
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Giants decision-making process….
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 4, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
The Giants Way
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 4, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
My hope for Posey is that, once he does get called up later this year (and let’s face it, Molina WILL be on the team all of this year), he’ll split time between 1b and C, and we can say goodbye to Whiteside. Something like 2 games at 1b, 2 games at C, one day off. I’m sure Bengie would bitch even about that (I’M SUPPSOED TO CATCH WELLEY!), but it would be a somewhat fair way to break him into the majors and get him ready for catching all of next year.
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by theghostofjasonellison on May 4, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t think that Whiteside would go anywhere when Posey comes up. On the days that Posey does play 1B (for example), Bengie is already at C. I just think they always want a C sitting on the bench, ready to plug in as necessary. Having your backup C starting at 1B would blow their minds.
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And worth remembering is . . .
. . . that Whiteside seems to be able to get a fine performance out of just about any pitcher he catches (not just JSanchez), significantly better than BM. Granted, it’s the classic SSS, but the difference is not minor. (Incidentally, note that a lot of people who speak of “catcher’s ERA” don’t know how to calculate it correctly, something that involves nromalizing IP for each man on the staff.)
If one thinks Posey needs mentoring at catching, Whiteside seems the obvious candidate, another argument for bringing Posey up now.
I’d also be a lot happier if I saw that Posey was getting time at 3B rather than 1B. It would be nice to give the 270-or-more-pound Pablo some time off now and again. (And if they’re so worried about his weight, why not let him catch a couple of games a week? He was quite good at it, and it’d help take and keep some pounds off.)
Indeed, I wouldn’t at all mind seeing, in the longer run, Buster and Panda alternating days between C and 3B, keeping each healthier longer.
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I wouldn’t at all mind seeing, in the longer run, Buster and Panda alternating days between C and 3B, keeping each healthier longer.
Oh, you’ll have to get in line for that suggestion. It’s got a long history hereabouts.
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I agree with Xanthan
If it’s meant to save Posey’s legs then it’s ok but it’s annoying because Sabean said something like
“no one thinks Posey is ready to catch 100 games in the majors”
and playing 1B doesn’t help him catch
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My whole thing about it is this, if you’re saving his knees, and that is fine if that what’s going on, then on his off days at catcher play him at a position where he could have a substantial impact for the club in the future like second base or shortstop. I am not advocating a position switch, he needs to be a catcher.
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Second base is a position where it’s very easy to get hurt if you don’t know what you’re doing. At first he can stay out of trouble.
Thats true I’m am just seriously worried that if they do decied to do a postiotion switch it will be to first base full time. Sabean and Co. have done nothing to build my confidence in them making smart decisions.
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Yeah, but there’s only so much you can worry about. Moving Posey permanently to first base at this point in his career would be SO ridiculous that it doesn’t even make my top twenty Giants worries.
Oh ya there is no doubt I am being overreactionary (is that even a word?) I just want to see Buster as the everyday catcher in SF and not Molina and that is the root of my bitchery.
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(in other words, no).
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He should be playing third. He could even potentially stay there. His bat wouldn’t be quite as much of a plus at third as behind the plate, but he’d be in the lineup more often. And let’s face it, unless next year’s Camp Panda is more successful than this year’s, Sandoval is not going to last long at 3B. He’s already getting into Prince Fielder territory.
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Sabean:
SSS
"Well, um, actually a pretty nice little Saturday, we're going to go to Home Depot. Yeah, buy some wallpaper, maybe get some flooring, stuff like that. Maybe Bed, Bath, & Beyond, I don't know, I don't know if we'll have enough time."
OT: Anyone catch this tidbit?
From Baggs:
While manager Bruce Bochy has frequently contemplated moving Schierholtz up in the order — including to the leadoff spot — chances are he’ll be back in the eighth position as the Giants begin a six-game road trip today against the Florida Marlins. Bochy readily admits part of his decision-making process is grounded in superstition.
“I like Nate where he’s at right now, in the eight hole,” he said. “He uses the whole field, he runs well if we need to bunt him over, but mostly because he’s had success there, and I don’t want to mess with that.”
I mean WTF! Is he a freaking Tarot Card reader too? What bothers me so much is not that he is basing his lineup on a hunch, a feeling in his bones, witchcraft, or idolatry. What bothers me is that he is admitting it. What if the next time you were flying, the pilot came on over the loudspeaker to say that the flight was going really well on the current heading, so instead of bothering with trivialities such as weather, mountains, or where other planes might be, he did not want to mess with success, and he was going to keep things exactly as they are.
Bruce Bochy, you are a moron
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Sad to say...
But at least Bochy’s playing him.
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by BruteSentiment on May 4, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
That is an admirably positive way to spin it, but the problem is that if his qi is somehow disrupted, Nate will find himself below Velez on the depth chart (again). If I got a chance to interview Bochy, my first question to him would be, “What is the statute of limitations on these superstitions?”
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Paying attention to Bochy’s public pronouncements about the teams decision making process is a bit of a mug’s game – he and Sabean clearly don’t believe in full disclosure. Having said that, the two other reasons he gave are perfectly fine for an 8th place hitter, as is Nate’s ability to avoid walking.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 4, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Nate at leadoff? Nate Schierholtz at leadoff? That guy? Leading off? Seriously?
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I feel like we used to have a pretty decent leadoff hitter….Ted Lewin or something? I wonder what happened to him.
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by BruteSentiment on May 4, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Nate should be third
Base, that is!
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Better option than Rowand IMO. The guy with the empty average and NO FUCKING WALKS.
1st pitch of the game….ground out to SS.
This
I semi-get putting Rowand at lead-off, but I’d certainly be open to trying Nate that instead. No matter who it is who grounds out to secondbase, the end result is the same.
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I am by no means defending Bochy. But baseball is a saturated in superstition. Always has been, always will be.
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Hacker should be on the big club....
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I don’t think that is out of the realm of possibility if he keeps up his current performance. Last night was he worst performance of the year and it came with a 25 MPH breeze blowing out and at an altitude of over 6000 ft (and against a lineup with multiple guys with signigicant major league experience)…
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This
Alderson, whom the Pirates acquired from the Giants … had just 7 K over his previous four starts. He also had a season-high 9 H, raising his BAA to .330.
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by victor frankenstein on May 4, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Is Sharlon Schoop an organizational guy now?
I see he got sent down from AA to A. Maybe he’ll just never figure it out.
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 4, 2010 3:43 PM PDT reply actions
That’s certainly how it looks. All hail Adrianza!
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