Buster Posey called up
by Grant Brisbee on May 29, 2010 11:09 AM PDT
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PrintWith the offense in need, the Giants called up Buster Posey. He'll replace Bengie Molina, who is in the middle of a terrible sl...
Wait, no. He's not replacing Molina. Posey will be playing mostly first base, with Aubrey Huff moving to the outfield. With Huff in left, Torres in center, and Schierholtz in right, the Giants will be able to sit the ultra-slumping Aaron Rowand, and...
Wait, no. That's not what they're doing. They're essentially bringing up Posey to replace Nate Schierholtz in the lineup for a few days each week.
I'm excited to watch Posey, and I'm excited by this move, but I'm not sure how much it's going to help the team. Why does the rationale behind every decision made by this organization have to be so weird? The real battle right now should be between Rowand and Torres, with Rowand slowly starting to reclaim his job if Torres comes back down to earth.
The Giants have two of the best young catchers in the game on the roster right now. If you can think of an easier way to get corner infielders, I'd like to read it....
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Hooray!!!!
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG
Wait, no. He’s not replacing Molina. Posey will be playing mostly first base, with Aubrey Huff moving to the outfield. With Huff in left, Torres in center, and Schierholtz in right, the Giants will be able to sit the ultra-slumping Aaron Rowand, and…
I wish they were doing this, though
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG
by Useful_Idiot on May 29, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
what kills me
is Bochy won’t even do it once.
He talks every off season about giving Rowand more time off during the season, but he never sits the stupid fucker down.
by NateEveryday on May 29, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Gamer. Grit. Veteran. True love. Blah blah blah.
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
by can of corn on May 29, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
What I posted on Baggs
Why on earth does Nate (who’s hitting .291/.366/.405 and playing great defense) lose AB’s to Aaron Freaking Rowand (who’s hitting .231/.265/.408)? How long can this ridiculous veteran fetish continue to go on? Rowand is a worse player, but continues to play every day because we owe him $12M? Do the Giants not understand the basic concept of sunk cost, or is Bochy this asinine?
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
I can’t think of any reason except that he is afraid to bench the guy with the big contract. Also, Rowand is really at .231? Wow, I didn’t realize it was that bad
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG
by Useful_Idiot on May 29, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
.231 is terrible, but almost every team has a starter struggling at that level. The .265 OBP, on the other hand, is otherworldly bad.
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on May 29, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
The K/BB ratio — i.e., the overall approach — is dreadful beyond words. I don’t see what Rowand has done in the past two years to justify the untouchable status he’s been given at the expense of Schierholtz.
by Grant Brisbee on May 29, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t see what Rowand has done in the past two years to justify the untouchable status he’s been given at the expense of Schierholtz.
Cash 12 million checks.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 29, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
"see, that's why we can never have anything nice."
if Freddie Sanchez, Mark DeRosa and Aubrey Huff are the answer, I guess I just didn't understand the question.
Do they write a separate check for each dollar?
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on May 29, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
The first year it was 24 million checks for .50 cents
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 29, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
They were bitter about getting snookered in the negotiations and decided to take it out on him by making him sign and cash huge numbers of checks.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on May 29, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
If Schierholtz had those numbers, they’d send him down (even if it meant a DFA), and say “He’s clearly not ready for the majors at this point” — and I’d agree with them.
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on May 29, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
or any other young player over the past 5 years. Ortmeier, Bowker (1st and 2nd stints), Lewis, Rajai, Schierholtz, etc.
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by Speedforthewin on May 29, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
The two weeks immediately following his return from the DL play a large role in that. As shown with Velez last season, hero-like contributions over a short amount of time lead to large leashes. That, and the contract.
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by Speedforthewin on May 29, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Aside from that one time he caught the ball against the center field fence and saved DIrty’s no-hit bid, Rowand has done almost nothing to make the team better since he’s been here. Torres covers more ground out there, his arm is no worse than Rowand’s, and he’s a better hitter/baserunner.
At least for the $19 million we pay Zito, we get a pitcher who eats up innings, never misses starts, and has been decent to occasionally excellent the past couple years.
Giants Baseball: TORTURE
His BABIP is also .254. His K rate and and ISO are around his career average (and the best they’ve been with the Giants), though he is being even less patient then usual.
I don’t really think it’s clear Scheriholtz is the better hitter. If he is, it’s not by a ton.
I was promised lasagna.
Yeah
I’m not on the bench Rowand bandwagon.
My Son, fourth outfielder extraordinaire.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
What I would like to do is keep Davis and Lewis and never sign Rowand and DeRosa.
Or, even better: release Schierholtz and sign Dye. Then we could be the first team in history to have an OF entire made up of expensive players who aren’t any better than the free, younger player the team released to make room for them.
I was promised lasagna.
Fred Lewis
.291 / .331 / .477, 3 HR
/sobs
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. Because all 50th Round picks go to heaven (or at least extended spring training).
Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
Molina, Rowand, Renteria, DeRosa, Sanchez
I don’t need to put anything else; their stats, their salaries, anything.
Just their names will suffice.
/sobs
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
Rowand.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Speaking of Lewis
He seems to have lost his patience – his K/BB stands at an ugly 42/7. Right now he’s making up for it with more power than usual and an even higher than usual BABIP, but I don’t know if it will last.
I was promised lasagna.
He’s been striking out about as often, I think, but not drawing very many walks.
He did get two today, though.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. Because all 50th Round picks go to heaven (or at least extended spring training).
Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
Did you calculate his line by yourself? None of the sites are that up to date.
I was promised lasagna.
The one good thing about ESPN’s player profiles is they the stats update almost-live.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. Because all 50th Round picks go to heaven (or at least extended spring training).
Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
Yeah
I use ESPN during games. Did last night for the FREDDY SANCHEZ OPES WATCH.
Generally their stat pages will update ~ 30 seconds after each play.
My Son, fourth outfielder extraordinaire.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
gameday has live BA and OPS too
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You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
I’d say the one thing Rowand has over Schierholtz is the ability to hit ~15 home runs in a season’s worth of at-bats. He’ll make a ton of warning track fly outs on the way there, and he’s aggravating to watch, but if you’re looking for “pop” in your lineup, you’ll find more of it in Rowand than you will in Schierholtz, sadly.
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
I could easily see schierholtz hitting 12-15 homers in a season
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
Yes, with 600 AB
Nate should be able to hit 15 HR IMO
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
I don't think so.
Let’s DTM. Assume 600 AB and a .280 BA: that’s 168 hits. Schierholtz’s career PF is 1.45, but assume 1.50; that’s 252 TB expected. Singles, doubles, and tripes typically make up 1.30 to 1.35 of a PF; assume 1.33, which gives 223 TB excluding HRs. That leaves 29 TB from HR, or about 7 HR.
Sure, you can jiggle this and that, from BA on up, but if you can find a way to make the expected HRs a two-digit number, I think you’ve jiggled outside the ranges of reasonable possibility.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Add the fact that Schierholtz is on record as saying that he’s changed his approach this year and has stopped trying to be the power-hitting corner outfielder that everyone wants him to be, and is instead letting himself be the speedier gap hitter that he really is.
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
7 HR's at AT&T
maybe 15 at a different park. But the point is, I don’t think Rowand is going to break 15 either.
Proud father of Alex and Fred Lewis.
I ain't denyin' there wasn't no bottle.
12 and dropping for Rowand
if Freddie Sanchez, Mark DeRosa and Aubrey Huff are the answer, I guess I just didn't understand the question.
I was never good at math.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
I do like
his defense. And that crazy stance at the plate.
Rooting for the Yankees is like cheering the tanks at Tianamen Square.
That OBP is just pathetic. LOL @ Giants fans everywhere for suffering through this horrific mismanagement
"You can always recover from the player you didn't sign. You may never recover from the player you signed at the wrong price." --Billy Beane
"I am not an idiot."--Brian Sabean
by Sabean's_Folly on May 29, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
AARON ROWAND BATS GOOD IN TEH LEADOFF SPOT!
What happened to all that science I recall fondly from the offseason?
"I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."- Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on May 29, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
The Giants DON’T understand sunk costs, AND, we owe Rowand $12 mil for this season, plus $24 for the 2 seasons after this one….
Proud supporter of the Fightin' Hydrants.
by Little Napoleon on May 29, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I’d rather we just not talk about that.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
You never know which day it will be when Rowand just figures it out again.
So you gotta keep him in their every day just in case.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on May 29, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd like to see 162 game W/L projections for A) a lineup with all Schierholtz and B) a lineup with all Rowand
"You can always recover from the player you didn't sign. You may never recover from the player you signed at the wrong price." --Billy Beane
"I am not an idiot."--Brian Sabean
by Sabean's_Folly on May 29, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
What you posted on Baggs
Do the Giants not understand the basic concept of sunk cost, or is Bochy this asinine?
The answer to this question is: Yes.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?
Nate cannot pull the fastball because of the sore shoulder
just not enough batspeed, Power is not the issue. If he could slap .300 BA with a .360 SLG, he’d play every day and hit #2, but for now he can’t do much more than bunt or lob weak bloopers.
The money lies in the RBIs
-- Jeff Kent
Meh
LET POSEY CATCH
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner
by walkoff baltimore chop on May 29, 2010 11:11 AM PDT reply actions
I wish they had the balls to bench Rowand or Molina. I’m looking forward to watching Posey play.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Veterans Gamey Gamers Gritty Toughing it Out Getting Into Their Groove Hitting Their Stride Making Plays Little Things Looks Comfortable.
The last time a major Bay Area sports team won a championship was January 29, 1995. Brian Sabean began his tenure with the Giants in 1996. There's only one explanation: Space Nazis are using HAARP mind-control rays on Northern California. We're through the looking glass here, people.
by Gabafnerhagen on May 29, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
You forgot calming it down.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on May 29, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Sometimes I actually wish we were a small-market team. The Twins always put their best players on the field.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
and then lose them to bigger market clubs
See: Torii Hunter, Johan Santana.
Unless you are Joe Mauer.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
As it turns out
The Twins got the majority of the good years from both of those players.
Though Johan is still a good pitcher, he was dominant mostly as a twin.
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
Torii Hunter has been good for the Angels
About as good as he was for Minny, seems to me.
So I’m not certain it’s a bad thing for that to happen for either club, especially since Hunter was replaced with Denard Span.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Hasn’t Hunter’s stellar defense been more reputation than reality of late? If so, the Twins definitely had the better years.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
yeah
That is true, but Hunter and Morales are the only legit power guys on the Los Angeles Angeles of Salinas this year, so I don’t think they really mind, especially with Hunter’s D coming from a premium position. Abreu’s been okay too.
The Twins are a great example of why you let veteran players leave your team rather than overpaying for somebody that another team was content to let leave, so long as you have a competent farm system to replace them cheaply.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Speaking of the Twins: Justin Morneau. HOLY CRAP!
OPS+ of 216 so far this year. We need a Morneau type hitter!
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
He leads all of baseball with 3.9 WAR so far this season.
3.9!
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
That is crazy good
We should scout Canada moar.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Steve Nash!
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
/scully’d
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on May 29, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
inb4 Rios for Lincecum
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
The Twins also have a lot of good players. I would take any of Joe Mauer, Justin Morneau, Michael Cuddyer, Jason Kubel, Delmon Young, Denard Span, or Orlando Hudson in this lineup.
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
My point is that other than maybe Nick Punto, there’s nobody in that lineup where I’m saying “Why the fuck is he playing every day?” like I do with the the Giants and most other major league rosters.
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
Of course this happens on a Saturday
so instead of the asshattery of KNBR that I know and love, I get the asshattery of Jonathan Coachman that I know and hate.
The last time a major Bay Area sports team won a championship was January 29, 1995. Brian Sabean began his tenure with the Giants in 1996. There's only one explanation: Space Nazis are using HAARP mind-control rays on Northern California. We're through the looking glass here, people.
Posey will not make the team better
As long as the player he’s replacing is Nate Schierholtz.
My Son, fourth outfielder extraordinaire.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
this
/hopes Bengie breaks arm pushing button at fast food drivethrough
if Freddie Sanchez, Mark DeRosa and Aubrey Huff are the answer, I guess I just didn't understand the question.
Shoulda happened months ago
buy out his arbitration years plz
No.
I like Posey but he’s shown nothing yet. There is no rush to buy out his arb years. He’s still just a catcher prospect, hopefully a good one, but that’s still a catcher.
See the long list of recently failed catcher prospects.
Let's bring the...
thats the risk
but I’d say it’s a smart risk. Evan Longoria is on the best contract in baseball history because of smart risks like that.
I just don’t see the rush. Why can’t they do this at the end of this year, or next year.
Let's bring the...
He still won’t be in arbitration by the end of next year. There is no rush between now and then. If it costs a little bit more, that’s because he’s been doing well.
Let's bring the...
The rush is to sign him as long as it is possible. Look at Longoria’s deal – do you think he’d sign it now? It’s the best contract in baseball, buy far (from the team’s point of view).
I was promised lasagna.
But you can still do this next year after he’s first done something in the majors. Buster is not Longoria. Long contracts are not always a good thing.
Let's bring the...
No, you won’t be able to do the same deal. His price will go up by then. And he might not want to sign any long term deal, like Lincecum. Again, Longoria wouldn’t have signed the same contract after his first year.
It is obviously a risk, but not a huge one. The point is that the player signs for what is likely to be below market rate fee. In exchange he gets a guarantee that he’ll never have to work again. It’s a kind of deal that only unproven players sign. If you wait for them to prove they’re worth it, you’re going to miss your shot.
Of course, Sabean is frightened of the unproven, so he’ll probably wait.
I was promised lasagna.
I'm still stunned by Longoria's contract
Did heblow through his bonus money? I imagine it was something similar to what Posey got, and he got 6 MM + guaranteed.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
But his agent was never going to sign that kind of deal… he always seemed to want year to year kind of contracts.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on May 29, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, I only heard about it after his amazing 2008. I don’t know if the Giants tried to sign him in 2007.
I was promised lasagna.
Because I have no evidence, all I can go by is my own (admittedly faulty) memory, but my impression is that his agent’s strategy was to avoid a long term deal from the gitgo.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on May 29, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s what I remember too, there weren’t even talks about a long term deal until after 2008, so I don’t know what would have happened.
I’m not actually faulting the Giants for not locking him up or anything, he had barely pitched in the minors and everybody expected him to fall apart. Just trying to show why the Giants may not be able to sign Posey to a relatively cheap deal in a year or two. All it takes is one good season and the price goes waaaay up.
I was promised lasagna.
failed catcher prospects
1. Sandoval
2. Posey
"I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."- Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on May 29, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
failed catcher prospects blocked by a large mass
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
Shoulda happend in the offseason, and Bengi should have been a Met.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on May 29, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
and then we'd have signed Rod Barajas
Which considering his production this year would have been the best case scenario.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
I agree with Grant's Boss
The real battle right now should be between Rowand and Torres, with Rowand slowly starting to reclaim his job if Torres comes back down to earth.
Also, I hope Buster gets a standing O as big as the one he got for catching a foul ball while catching bullpen last year.
"I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."- Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on May 29, 2010 11:15 AM PDT reply actions
GIMME BUSTER! GIMME BUSTER! GIMME BUSTER! WHY’D YOU GIMME BUSTER??
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
by satyricrash on May 29, 2010 11:15 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Lulz.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on May 29, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
just to note, I was saying
GIMME BUSTER (after the super 2 deadline)! GIMME BUSTER (after the super 2 deadline)! WHYD YOU GIMME BUSTER BEFORE THE SUPER 2 DEADLINE IF YOU WERENT JUST GOING TO HAVE HIM START THE SEASON UP HERE AND WASTE 5 MILLION ON FUCKING TUBBY MOLINA YOU STUPID FUCK!?
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
One or the other of those plans…
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on May 29, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, so the total cost of this move+signing Bengie is north of $10MM.
Yikes
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"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Trying to figure out the FO’s rationale is making me grumpy…. I’m just gonna go watch some more of the crazy frog brothers video.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on May 29, 2010 11:15 AM PDT reply actions
Impossible to figure out the rationale of an irrational entity.
All you can really do is shake your head, laugh, and hope to wake up from this bad nightmare to find that Sabean and Bork are with the Padres, and DePodesta is GM of the Giants.
"You can always recover from the player you didn't sign. You may never recover from the player you signed at the wrong price." --Billy Beane
"I am not an idiot."--Brian Sabean
by Sabean's_Folly on May 29, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Or watch this. Warning – NSFGW.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on May 29, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Not Safe For George Washington?
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
Not Safe For Giant Whales.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
crazy front office
is crazy and, um, front-like
Turns out you can spell Ugnio Vlz without 4 E's
by The Gene Hackman on May 29, 2010 11:19 AM PDT reply actions
also
/in before lars
lolGiants
Turns out you can spell Ugnio Vlz without 4 E's
by The Gene Hackman on May 29, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Why does the rationale behind every decision made by this organization have to be so weird?
This should be on the T-shirt.
Sabean.
Too proud to do a full face/palm so this is what we get instead.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on May 29, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
.....
….
…..
Few things: if you’re not going to replace Rowand or Molina, two of the worst-hitting players on the team, why are we starting his arb clock? If you’re Brian Sabean, why do you feel the incessant need to say the exact opposite of what you’re going to do when discussing promotions considering it has no effect on anything except what your fans know? And if you’re Buster Posey, how do you not pack an automatic weapon when you know you’re going to SF, home of the idiots who have been jerking you around so much?
Goodbye, Steven Johnson, we hardly knew ye. Seriously, that was short.
Sabean has been saying Posey would likely be called up soon.
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG
by Useful_Idiot on May 29, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
As of yesterday, he was saying that the decision was “day to day.” So he was true to his word.
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And by yesterday, I mean Thursday. Buh.
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"And if you’re Buster Posey, how do you not pack an automatic weapon when you know you’re going to SF, home of the idiots who have been jerking you around so much"
Well, if Posey is good, this might add $5MM+ to his lifetime earnings. That buys a lot of peace
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"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
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I’m really excited to watch him play, but I’m wary about how the management is going to handle him. What happens if he catches a game where the starting pitcher is wild? What if he falls into an early offensive slump? What happens if Molina complains to Bochy about the kid not paying his dues?
I haven’t liked how they’ve handled Posey up until this point, and I’m doubtful it’s going to drastically improve unless he lights the baseball world on fire right out of the gate. Hopefully he’ll catch a Lincecum no-hitter or something and get some more time behind the plate.
I’m worried abut Molina complaining. Molina will complain all year long if Posey begins taking starts away from him. And if Bochy is the manager listening to his complaints, it won’t end well for Buster.
Can’t wait to read his blog about it. DON’T LIGHT A FIRE UNDER ME!
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by can of corn on May 29, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
This is exactly why I don’t even bother to read his blog anymore
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by Prussian Creole on May 29, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I hope Molina does complain
really loud. Maybe it will lead to him getting DFA’d. They don’t like their soldiers to be out of line.
nah soldiers are our minor leaguers
Molinas a fucking captain in their eyes and captains can do whatever the fuck they want
No
Molina complaining = everyone defending Molina
It never works out the way it should/the way it would if anyone else complained
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by Prussian Creole on May 29, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
/Fred complains, gets traded for three beets and a turnip
/Molina complains, gets three year contract extension
The #1 greatest threat to America: BEARS
/in before GRM rationalization
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by Josh from Hollywood on May 29, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
mmmm goulash
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"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on May 29, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
if the fans start booing Molina and Rowand, maybe it will get done.
too bad, but that’s about the only way to make our feelings known.
if Freddie Sanchez, Mark DeRosa and Aubrey Huff are the answer, I guess I just didn't understand the question.
this may not work
Rowand got booed when he struck out three times in his first game back from injury earlier this year. After a nice ovation before his first AB no less.
"I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."- Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on May 29, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Rosterbation
Torres-CF
Posey-C
Sandoval-3B
Huff-1B
Uribe-SS
Nate-RF
Sanchez-2B
Bowker/Rowand platoon-LF
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Switch Posey and Sanchez, for now. Why have Sanchez hitting 8th?
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG
by Useful_Idiot on May 29, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Deckchairs. The order matters less than the players who are in the lineup.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Batting order is pretty important, though. And it’s for the sake of discussion
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Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG
by Useful_Idiot on May 29, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
It is not very important.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Hitters at the top of the order get more at-bats, which is why usually pitchers hit ninth. I’d like Sanchez to get more at bats
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG
by Useful_Idiot on May 29, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
True, but . . .
. . . the differences really are small. I seem to recall someone once figured that standing the lineup upside-down (pitcher leads off) for a whole year might cost 12 runs; that may not be exactly correct, but Google up some analytic studies and you’ll see a clear consensus that it matters, but very little.
And, much to my amazement (but I believe the studies, which look correctly done), batting the pitcher #8 really does help (if microscopically).
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
In terms of wins, not in terms of player development. Putting Posey in the lineup somewhere where he’s more likely to see good pitches and/or see more pitches with runners on base is not a bad thing, though I’d still rather see Sanchez batting seventh. He’s a high-average, low-power hitter in front of higher-power, lower average hitters, and then the pitcher. You set yourself up to strand a lot of runners that way.
I’d bat Posey 7th, and move him up to 6th if/when he shows a comfortable approach at the plate and some good at-bats.
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But still bottom tier.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on May 29, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
NEVER.
Well, maybe next year. Actually, unless Bowker hits .400 the rest of the way he wont be around next year.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on May 29, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I like this
granted, deck chairs, but this is how I would arrange them:
CF Torres
2B Sanchez
3B Sandoval
1B Huff
SS Uribe
LF Bowker
C Posey
RF Schierholtz
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by Speedforthewin on May 29, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Absolutely. Short term, batting Posey 7th makes some sense. With his on-base skills, he should be batting 2nd. But this gets our best players on the field.
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by Giantsfan4life on May 29, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
If his on-base skills are in fact better than Sanchez’s, move him to bat second after he’s demonstrated that at the major league level. I only expect that Posey will take at least a couple of weeks before he’s settled in.
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This is what i would like to see
Torres CF
Sanchez 2B
Posey C
Sandoval 3B
Huff 1B
Uribe SS
Nate Rf
Bowker/Rownad LF
But it’s never going to happen.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
I would be on board for this
Yes, very much so.
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"I told the family lovingly slide"
BUSTER?
i hardly know her!
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by sadison bummedgarner on May 29, 2010 11:24 AM PDT reply actions
They say it's wrong to hope for an injury
But, I’m gonna be honest with you here, I really hope Rowand and Molina get injured.
I would never wish injury on anyone.
On the other hand, I do wish that either of them get accidentally DFA’d.
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by walkoff baltimore chop on May 29, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
That's apparently only Romo
I still am completely nonplussed that occurred.
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Run into each other on the basepaths and have career ending injuries.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on May 29, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope Rowand and Molina discover their true calling as buddy detectives tackling wacky crimes in San Francisco.
Molina: Is this a shell casing from a .38?
Rowand:
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
What the heck? That should read:
Rowand: /squats
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
/Rowand runs head first into the shell casing.
Rowand: “Yep, feels like it to me.”
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 29, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Tough Police Chief: Goddammit, you two. That’s 10 millon dollars of damage done to public property. You’re off the case. Your gun and your badge, now!
Molina: Why are you saying these mean things to me? I tried hard! I am proud of who I am!
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
/Rowand runs head first into the Chief’s desk to hand over his badge and gun.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 29, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
/misses and goes through plate glass window of 5th story office.
by E Ticket on May 29, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
/Bochy writes his name into the lineup for tonight.
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
a .38?
too small.
He’s the shell casing from the main gun on the USS Iowa
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"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
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This sounds like Nash Bridges. Bengie already has the Cheech Marin accent.
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I really hope he does not have an early slump that causes bochy to relegate him to the bench / aaa.
by commodoregiant on May 29, 2010 11:26 AM PDT reply actions
/relegate him to DFA
Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me.
McCoven: We're all happy to be wrong.
by atxgiantsfan on May 29, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
baggs
Despite what some folks continue to write, including fan comments, bloggers and credentialed journalists, I really and truly believe that service time has had absolutely zero impact on the ongoing decision to promote Posey or leave him in the minors. And really, if you’re a fan of a contending club, especially one with a competitive payroll, you should applaud your front office for not letting service time issues stand in the way of what they believe to be a sound baseball decision.
any thoughts?
Choppin' broccoli
we were just hoping that they were minding the cash register
Just get the damn surgery, Mark DeRosa.
But if that’s true, then why did they leave him in the minors? Was one game really enough to convince Buster that he’d gone from NOT READY to READY?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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by jponry on May 29, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
rec'd x 10000000
"I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."- Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on May 29, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
THIS
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by walkoff baltimore chop on May 29, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Given this org’s obsession with changing opinions and playing time of young players from one game to the next (Bowker, Lewis, Schierholtz), would this REALLY surprise you?
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by Speedforthewin on May 29, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t agree with a single sentence of this. I think that service time had a ton to do with it, and that decisions based on a working knowledge of service time ARE sound baseball decisions. I guess I understand the argument that Molina’s salary is greater than the savings we got on keeping Buster down, but that still isn’t 100% clear.
The only thing that will kind of suck is if they ditch the Super-Two rule in the upcoming CBA. Then all of this will have been for naught.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Really, service time was the only saving grace for the FO
They had to make stuff up to defend their idiotic statements about this matter. If you take that out of the equation, there is absolutely no logic, nor defensible reason for keeping Posey in the minors as long as they did, or for signing Bengi Molina in the first place.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Didn’t you hear? ZITO’S CONTRACT HAS NO IMPACT ON THIS TEAM’S BUYING POWER WHATSOEVER. NONE AT ALL. WHEN THEY SAY IT LOUD, THEY MUST REALLY MEAN IT.
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if they do ditch Super 2
I would imagine that everyone who would have got it would be grandfathered in.
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"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
/font office shill.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on May 29, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Wingdings! Verdana! They rule!
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Now you’re thinking lik Baggs!
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on May 29, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
God damn.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on May 29, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
My thoughts exactly
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG
by Useful_Idiot on May 29, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
“you should applaud your front office for not letting service time issues stand in the way of what they believe to be a sound baseball decision.”
“Service time issues” simply means “financial issues” in this case. And by that logic, we should applaud the front office for the Zito contract. I mean, well done for not letting financial issues stand in the way on an extra 2 wins over replacement each year.
And in terms of dollars per win, the Zito move will be way better than this.
by sarf_london_niner on May 29, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
That would be fine obviously. I don’t expect that to happen. I expect them to take the attitude of “well if he works out well and we have to pay an extra £5m, that’s a good thing isn’t it?”
by sarf_london_niner on May 29, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Whoops
Would explain a lot though. “We don’t use those new fangled exchange rate stats – that’s more of an Oakland thing”
by sarf_london_niner on May 29, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
that’s like 10 million dollars!
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on May 29, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Nyet,
If the front office management was really doing this they would not have singed Molinia and Buster would have started the season in The Bigs. What we have here is – yet another – case of Sabean panicing and not have the courage of his convictions to see his plan out. Even if the plan only need to run 3-4 weeks more.
Threat level that the 2010 Pads finish with more wins than the 2010 Giants is currently at: 39%
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by daveinexile on May 30, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
It's REAL simple
They made this move because there has been TONS of criticism (more than usual) towards management’s poor decision making this week. They always make reactionary moves like this when even KNBR starts to criticism them. Remember when Ralph and Sabean argued about Benitez? Yeah, he was waived like a day or two later.
by Hobbes2d on May 29, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
THIS
THIS and THIS.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on May 29, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Total PR move.
Baer finally waived the white flag after the KNBR interview.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
And of course they do it on a Saturday so the regular weekday guys can't talk about it
or interview anyone in management about it.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on May 29, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This too
It’s total political strategy. That’s what I hate about the SF FO. They run it like a fucking political campaign. It’s all about gloss and wonky wonkiness, and not about actually, you know, solving problems. Management? That’s for all the little people a.k.a. lunatic fringe to worry about.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
If you reduce the payroll number by Zito and Rowand's salary it's not a competitive payroll.
at least as long as we have this management in place.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on May 29, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Is it just me, or is Baggs getting kinda cranky lately?
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Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
Maybe Baer threatened his credential
/only half kidding
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Clearly this is the worst thing to happen to this accursed organization in its storied one hundred twenty seven year history.
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
No one is saying that.
It just seems odd to bring him up now. And people are unhappy with the way the Giants seem to manage their resources. Almost everyone is saying they’re excited to see Buster play.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
EXCITED AND CONFUSED
also, nobody was really clamoring for that Schierholtz bum to get shown the bench
Just get the damn surgery, Mark DeRosa.
I'VE NEVER FELT THIS WAY BEFORE!
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
you must never have had a crazy girlfriend
read: a girlfriend
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
you must never have had a crazy girlfriend wife.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
My current girlfriend is suspiciously sane.
But I’ve learned to keep my guard up.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
don't trust her
the crazy will reveal itself. I am married, so I know.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
it’s amazing how long they can keep it hidden
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"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
They mask it by smelling like flowers.
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No, jponry, I have to disagree with you. All we ever do here is complain about things. We even take good things as bad things. And then we take them out of proportion. In fact, we take them so far out of proportion that we lose all sense of scale. Sandoval hit a homerun – god, the fucker should have taken a walk! Nate Schierholtz is hitting surprisingly well – why the fuck isn’t Bowker playing!?!?
We just want to complain. That’s all we ever do. About anything. And the more positive something actually is, the more we hate it. That’s what we do.
/ignores everything that contradicts this.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on May 29, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hate everyone and everything
and I am the most positive person here.
Get off my lawn, Buster Posey!
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
I think
the other thread featured a lot of people grappling with a couple of horrible things they didn’t believe. Like the organization was trying to avoid super-two. Or that they didn’t really intend to move him to 1B. Or move Huff and bench Nate to keep Molina in the lineup.
I don’t know why that has to be read as complaining about Posey being elevated. It’s just that this particular transaction has undermined a lot of assumed logic that is not borne out by reality.
"I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."- Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on May 29, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
No, it’s obviously the worst move that has ever been made by any team in any sport ever, even children’s leagues.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on May 29, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
And every hit that Posey gets is another atomic bomb in the Hiroshima that is this Giants season. I can’t believe you don’t see this.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on May 29, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
They need to readjust the time streams.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on May 29, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
DON'T CROSS THE STREAMS
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
we'll burn those bridges when we come to them.
if Freddie Sanchez, Mark DeRosa and Aubrey Huff are the answer, I guess I just didn't understand the question.
Five times worse than that, at least.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on May 29, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F4uhUnvzZQ
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So ambitious, like one of those pictures you dressed up in your favorite costume and then hand them out to family
/Win the inning
//Renteria - Still not a VD but I crush a lot
///Willism is Realism
Dreamy.
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner
by walkoff baltimore chop on May 29, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
This movie is way way way funnier than it has any right to be. On top of that, the commentary track is brilliance.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on May 29, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I was in shock at how funny it was. And I’m a fan of that type of shit!
I'll punch Greg Evigan in the beard if I ever see him!
by NuschlerFace on May 29, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I hated that movie
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
Well eat me then!
I'll punch Greg Evigan in the beard if I ever see him!
by NuschlerFace on May 29, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Not hungry
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
I refuse to believe this
After seeing the 5 tons of awful that was Walk Hard.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
boooooooooo
Walk Hard was awesome.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. Because all 50th Round picks go to heaven (or at least extended spring training).
Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
“I’m telling you, I’ve had it. I’ve had it with all this crap. You took her side every time. All you care about is fruit and touching yourself. Well, fuck you.”
My Son, fourth outfielder extraordinaire.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
boooooooo turkey
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by sadison bummedgarner on May 29, 2010 11:31 AM PDT reply actions
I sincerely hope
That Posey hits well enough to convince management that they don’t need to rush DeRosa back, and let him have his surgery.
My Son, fourth outfielder extraordinaire.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
DeRosa is finished
I think that is why Posey is being called up.
The DeRosa surgery news will be swallowed up by the Posey news.
if Freddie Sanchez, Mark DeRosa and Aubrey Huff are the answer, I guess I just didn't understand the question.
Good thing we dropped 12 mil on him for two years.
even though we knew he had just had surgery…
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Between FSanchez and DeRosa
I have to believe that many organizations would have punished the GM/team doctors/whomever by now.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
I couldn't believe they let him do that interview
With the clickety flappity horror show of a wrist, and the “wrist surgeon” gaffe. It certainly made me like him more though. He’s keepin’ it real in a crappy situation, it seems.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
The actions of a guy with nothing to lose who doesn’t give a fuck what twat-faced front office spinners want him to say.
by E Ticket on May 29, 2010 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
anybody got buster's MLE's?
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by sadison bummedgarner on May 29, 2010 11:34 AM PDT reply actions
.294/.369/.435 according to ML Splits
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
AKA
Not really much better than Schierholtz.
And worse if you take the defense that we’ll lose into account.
Posey at first base DOWNGRADES THIS TEAM if done the way they’re going to do it.
Fuck.
My Son, fourth outfielder extraordinaire.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
/facepalm
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner
by walkoff baltimore chop on May 29, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm starting a "boo Molina and Rowand" movement
cause I think the fans have to force the issue. It is ridiculous to bench Nate in favor of either one of these guys. Molina and Rowand can sit on the bench and count their money.
if Freddie Sanchez, Mark DeRosa and Aubrey Huff are the answer, I guess I just didn't understand the question.
You’d have more effect by dropping by Field Club 121 front row and booing the front office folks.
Molina and Rowand are who they are. As long as they’re giving 100percent, much as we all despise their presence, its not their fault. Between the lines, as far as I know, they are trying to be as accountable as possible, and thats all that any reasonable person can expect from them.
They’re just the messengers in Sabean’s never-ending farce
by E Ticket on May 29, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would agree about Rowand. He at least shows hustle and has some nice catches under his belt this season that he had to be pretty mobile for.
I wish I could be convinced Molina was giving 100 percent. He is slower then last year. Makes little attempt to go after balls that are thrown away from his target and his ugly extendobat swings are so goddamn ugly.
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
the fact that he’s a “professional athlete” and shows such clear disdain for his physical condition is all I need to know.
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+109
Threat level that the 2010 Pads finish with more wins than the 2010 Giants is currently at: 39%
Spoiler: Grumpy older Giants fan is Grumpy.
by daveinexile on May 30, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Baseball Prospectus has him at .313/.397/.494.
by Dan from NM on May 29, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you serious? That seems almost as generous as the projections for Wieters. I love Buster, but I don’t foresee him coming anything close to that. Especially when he’ll have virtually NO protection in our shit lineup.
MLS has his MLE at
.294 / .369 / .435
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
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Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
i want to see this line up today
1) Torres CF
2) F.Sanchez 2B
3) Sandoval 3B
4) Huff LF
5) Uride SS
6) Posey 1B
7) Shierholtz RF
8) Whiteside C
9) J.Sanchez P
what do u giants fan think ?
by SanPabloGiantsFan on May 29, 2010 11:42 AM PDT reply actions
I like it, but if Whiteside is in there then Posey might as well play at C
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by Useful_Idiot on May 29, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
true, but
we all know that wont happen.
"There he goes. One of god's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
by KINGofCRA5H on May 29, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Don’t you know Whitey is Sanchey’s personal catcher?!
01.19.2010
r.i.p. buster posey
Wave them home Tim Flannery, wave them home.
me either
I want Posey to PLAY regardless of position. I care little for positional value, when nobody at any position is hitting.
Besides, Jonathan has pitched quite well this year, perhaps Whiteside has a bit to do with that?
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
You are wrong
Playing Posey at first, and pushing out Schierholtz’s defense and offense in right, as well as forcing Huff’s awful defense in left, MAKES THE TEAM WORSE.
My Son, fourth outfielder extraordinaire.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
not if our pitchers strike out everyone they face
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Which they don't.
So, again, playing Posey at first base makes the team worse.
My Son, fourth outfielder extraordinaire.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
I said "I care little for positional value"
I didn’t say the Giants shouldn’t care. I am not certain how much worse we can actually get on offense. On defense, I see the point, but I want Posey to play so much that I am willing to look past that.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Positional value relates to individual performances
I’m talking about the team.
My Son, fourth outfielder extraordinaire.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
And I think you're overrating Schierholtz
The Giants TEAM has to be better with an honest to god good hitter like Posey in the lineup. As good as Nate is in RF, he’s a dud at the plate more often than not. Surely the Giants have enough middling outfielders that they can find someone to play in our cavernous RF.
Look I am not saying that Posey at 1B is good. It’s not, it sucks, he should be replacing Bengie altogether and we should send Bengie to a farm upstate, but if this is what we get, it’s better than Posey rotting in Fresno.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Posey for Schierholtz is basically a wash
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 29, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not just about Nate
In order for this move to work, Posey’s offense has to not only be better than Nate’s (Nate, after all, is hitting .291/.366/.409). It also has to be better than the defensive liability of Huff in left field.
Let’s say, for instance, that Posey’s offense over the course of the next year is worth, oh, 5 runs more than Nate’s would have been.
It’s a damn good bet that Huffs defense will be about 10 runs worse than Nate’s (since Torres will shift).
That is a negative value move.
My Son, fourth outfielder extraordinaire.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
What?
My Son, fourth outfielder extraordinaire.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
I pretty sure he replied to the wrong person. Or wasn’t reading closely. Or recently suffered a blow to the head.
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on May 29, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Recent bong hits are also a possibility.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on May 29, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
AVATAR PROFILING!!!
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on May 29, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
NO U!
Facepalm thyself!
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 29, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
That is just the sort of statnerb nonsense that makes me pull my hair out
5 more runs allowed per season, or the best position prospect we’ve had since Will Clark?
Hmm.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
This is why positional adjustments make all the sense in the world
Posey isn’t going to be Will Clark. He is going to be a guy who hits good for a catcher. A decent bat who gets on base at a reasonable rate.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 29, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not saying he'll be Will Clark
And I know he isn’t supposed to be a 1B. But it isn’t like we have Joe Mauer and are forced to start him at C because we have Justin Morneau at 1B. We have crap at 1B and more crap at catcher.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
That “crap” at 1B is leading our team in OBP (Torres and Renteria don’t have enough AB’s the qualify).
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on May 29, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
It's still Aubrey Huff.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Any giants fan complaining about aubrey huff needs to take a look at his stats and how good his defense has been. Not to mention all you have to do is look at aaron rowand and bengie molina and you are instantly reminded how bad they are.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
take a look at his stats and how good his defense has been.
Huff’s 2010 UZR: 0.0
Last time his UZR was above 0: 2004.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. Because all 50th Round picks go to heaven (or at least extended spring training).
Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
I'm not complaining
I like Aubrey Huff- just not at 1B, and not at cleanup. Besides, POKEMONZ.
Look, I agree with everyone here that Posey ought to be at C. I’m just saying that him being at 1B shouldn’t actually make us worse. You can bust out whatever statnerb positional adjustment stuff you want, I get it I really do. But for God’s sake it’s still Buster Posey rather than somebody else. It’s not like we’re sitting Nate for Velez.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
You're just refusing to take defense into account.
Which is fine, I guess. Oh, and calling people who disagree with you nerds. Classy.
My Son, fourth outfielder extraordinaire.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
not nerds
nerbs. Difference.
Nerds like Star Trek. Nerbs like Billy Beane.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
You keep moving the goal posts
Posey at 1B means Nate sits on the bench. Take a lok at Nate’s hitting stats to date. Posey isn’t expected to hit that well yet. So basically we have moved laterally.
The offense neither improves or gets worse. The only thing we have left to establish a difference is defense. Huff in LF vs Torres in LF and Nate in RF makes the defense worse.
I am not really sure how to explain it better than that.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 29, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, this is your mistake. You’re comparing him to Joe Mauer. Catchers like Joe Mauer is appear once in a generation. Posey’s bat is much more likely to be a Russell Martin type – great for a catcher, but not very good for a 1B.
I was promised lasagna.
+1
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 29, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Let me ask you this
Who in our organization right now would you pencil in at 1B today, if you had a choice? Any player from any level.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Johnny Bench!
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 29, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Aubrey Huff?
My Son, fourth outfielder extraordinaire.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
IAWTC
Posey should be catching obviously, but Huff’s defense can’t be THAT bad at LF. He has played it professionally before in the AL. It’s not like we’re asking him to be our closer.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
It's not that bad
But it’s a lot lot lot worse than Andres Torres’s, which is who SHOULD be in left.
My Son, fourth outfielder extraordinaire.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
The last time he played outfield before this season was 2006. And the last season in which he got regular starts in the OF, he was rated at -4.2 UZR in RF.
Just because he was an outfielder does not mean that he is still an outfielder, much less a good one.
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
oh but he leads the team in OBP
UZR WAR OPS+ BABIP FUBAR
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
so... much... willful... ignorance...
My Son, fourth outfielder extraordinaire.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
You aren't really interested in backing up any of your arguments
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 29, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
not anymore
Not really. I have read the stats you guys have shown me, and I cannot argue with them. I just think it’s silly to say that it’s a bad thing for Posey to be in the lineup over Nate Schierholtz. Posey will be our starting C next year God willing, it can’t hurt to get him some major league batting experience.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Not really. I have read the stats you guys have shown me, and I cannot argue with them.
That is pretty apparent.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 29, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
How can I argue with numbers on a page that have been compiled by professionals?
I understand that the numbers say what they say. I know what they mean and I’m not trying to troll or insult any of you, I have great respect for the knowledge and opinions of everyone here. I just think Posey in the lineup is good wherever he may play. I understand I am in the minority here.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
The best postition prospect we've had since Will Clark...
BEING PLAYED AT THE WRONG POSITION
My Son, fourth outfielder extraordinaire.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
Posey should catch for chrissakes
is he gonna make a mistake or two…? look at Bengie, can’t move his fata..enough to catch an inside curve ball. Can’t weaken your whole defense to accomodate Bengie fu///ing Molina.
if Freddie Sanchez, Mark DeRosa and Aubrey Huff are the answer, I guess I just didn't understand the question.
Oh but Tweedledumb and Tweedledumber will do just THAT.
"You can always recover from the player you didn't sign. You may never recover from the player you signed at the wrong price." --Billy Beane
"I am not an idiot."--Brian Sabean
by Sabean's_Folly on May 29, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Sancez > Whiteside is a pretty good thing. Posey > Molina. Tomorrow is the day that matters.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on May 29, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
And....
my signature is still correct.
:(
My adopted son is RHP Steve Edlefsen, currently above Gerald Posey on the catching depth chart.
D:
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner
by walkoff baltimore chop on May 29, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought Grant didn't work on the weekend?
Oh……….Yay Buster
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
his boss does
"I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."- Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on May 29, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Llamas: always watching
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on May 29, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
What I can’t find, and sorry for the denseness here — if Posey is being called up, who’s getting sent down or on the DL?
Still backing Notgardo, wheresoever he may wander. (Don't forget to wriiiite!)
Behind-Closed-Doors Meeting:
Bochy: Okay, seriously, Timmy. What the fuck was that all about?
Lincecum: I’m sick of it, man. I can’t take it anymore. If I have to throw one more god damned pitch to Bengie Molina while he sits in the lineup fucking my run support every god damned start, I’m going to fucking riot.
Bochy: Okay, well… I mean, you have to realize that you don’t make the decisions here. Bengie is a good Giant. He calls a good game. He knows how to handle you. We can’t just discount th—
Lincecum: He called a fastball down the middle last week and got crossed up when I threw him a fastball down the middle. The guy walks up to the mound and asks if we’re still friends. He’s making me pitch like shit because it’s the only way I can think to fucking get rid of him.
Bochy: Listen, Tim. I didn’t want to do this but I have to be stern with you. Now you list—
Lincecum: No, you listen, you slow fuck. I’m tired of this. It’s done. I quit. I’m retiring. Fuck this team. I can’t do it anymore.
Bochy: Wait! Okay, no more Bengie. Just let us throw Whit—
Lincecum: Posey.
Bochy: Just calm down. We’ll try Whitey for a few—
Lincecum: Posey or I burn this shit to the ground.
Bochy: Just give Whitey a ch—
/Lincecum gets up and starts to leave.
Bochy: Jesus, stop! Wait. Here…
Bochy picks up the phone, dials
Bochy: Hey Brian, yeah it’s me. It’s time to move with Operation Falcon Claw. The mongoose is breaking chain. Call in Falcon Claw. I repeat, call in Falcon Claw.
Lincecum: Well?
Bochy: It’s done.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on May 29, 2010 11:56 AM PDT reply actions 27 recs
Tyrannosaurus rec'd
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Wrecking ball.
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner
by walkoff baltimore chop on May 29, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Until you find out the fine print of Operation Falcon Claw means calling Vinny Castilla out of retirement to play 3rd.
Recreations regardless!
I thought it was Bobby Bonilla
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
C'mooooooooooooon Bobby...
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
green plz
"I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."- Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on May 29, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I knew there was a plan!
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
WHO TOLD YOU ABOUT OPERATION FALCON CLAW
the cubans are going to be pissed….
in soviet russia, run scores you!....and giants still have terrible offense
by slackersphere17 on May 29, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
More green for Timmy.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Lincecum has mentioned on several occasions how much Molina has contributed to his success
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG
by Useful_Idiot on May 29, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
He says the right things
Because he isn’t going to throw Bengie under the bus as long as His Fatness has favored meatwad status.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 29, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
He didn’t have to say anything, he’s gone out of his way to praise Bengie. He specifically singled Molina out when crediting his teammates after accepting his second Cy Young.
He’s said that throwing to Molina has been a privelage, and even wrote off people who downplayed Molina’s value to the pitching staff.
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG
by Useful_Idiot on May 29, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
He said all those things in his acceptance speech in front of a stadium full of Giants fans
He was expected to say that. He knows how to deal with the the press.
Basically, you are buying the cliches. Nothing wrong with it, but it doesn’t make what he says the truth.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 29, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
“If people don’t understand what Bengie means to this team, I don’t think I could explain it to them,” Lincecum said.
Agree to disagree then, but that doesn’t sound like cliche to me.
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG
by Useful_Idiot on May 29, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
"If people don’t understand what Bengie means to this team, I don’t think I could explain it to them," Lincecum said.
This is a classic non-answer. Tim should be a politician when his career is over.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 29, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
It would be a non-answer if Tim had left it at that, but he then went on to explain that Bengie relaxes him, gives him confidence, and generally makes things easier for him.
“There’s a feeling like, `We’re in this. We’re the battery. Let’s go.’”
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG
by Useful_Idiot on May 29, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I am sure Bengie tucks him in at night as well. Perhaps Molina was too busy working out and dieting to make sure Tim was relaxed and comfortable over his last 3 starts.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 29, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
And if it was someone else, would he feel like. “We’re not the battery. Let’s not go”?
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on May 29, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
He probably wouldn’t go out of his way on several occasions, even when he isn’t asked, to credit Bengie. He doesn’t mention the coaches, no Righetti, not the older pitchers on the staff. He talks about Bengie.
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG
by Useful_Idiot on May 29, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Common Sense: "Hey Tim, you realize that you need run support, right?
Tim: “Well, yeah.”
Common Sense: “Well, then lose the hack-machine anchor and take responsibility for your own game. This Posey kid actually hits and gets on base. He’s part of your battery. Now you can go.”
Cain: “LOL INEVITABILITY!”
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 29, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree, I would love for Posey to be our catcher and get all the playing time, but it is unfair to Bengie to act like he has been worthless
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG
by Useful_Idiot on May 29, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Matt Cain: Southern philosopher
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on May 29, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
According to the giants media, cain was “under performing” before last nights start. He had a 3.01 era over his last 3 starts before last night… God I fucking hate the giants brain dead front office.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Is this a Lost thing?
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
lol
that’s awesome.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Are the coaches, Righetti, older pitchers on the staff also whiny, sensitive crybabies?
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
I don’t think Timmy has been praising Molina because he feels like Bengie needs a pick-me-up
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG
by Useful_Idiot on May 29, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
If Timmy truly believes what he is saying
Obviously he must think that mentality is important in baseball. Therefore, it’s not a stretch to think that Timmy feels he needs to go out of his way to say things like that about the guy who will be catching him for the foreseeable future, when said catcher is so sensitive.
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
Yes, I was being 100% serious.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on May 29, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I mean, FFS. Really?
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on May 29, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
lol rlly
if Freddie Sanchez, Mark DeRosa and Aubrey Huff are the answer, I guess I just didn't understand the question.
Operation Falcon KLAW, amirite?
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on May 29, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Viewed from the future.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on May 30, 2010 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions
I’d like this little subthread preserved for posterity:
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2010/5/25/1486920/giants-not-calling-up-posey#38302301
Truth is stranger than snark.
I’m very very excited to see Gerald play but dammit I wanted to see him at C. God I really hope they bench Scott and Bengie but if they’re not going to bench them why is Posey up starting his clock? Also I hope he hits well enough so that people don’t just call him a bust…shit I’m nervous.
01.19.2010
r.i.p. buster posey
Wave them home Tim Flannery, wave them home.
This is so true
I don’t know how much more clearly it can be stated: Playing Posey at first makes the team worse. It does.
Playing him at catcher makes the team better.
My Son, fourth outfielder extraordinaire.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
Playing him at first doesn’t make the team worse as long as Rowand is the player rotated out
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG
by Useful_Idiot on May 29, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
That isn't going to happen
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 29, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Moot, as that is not what is going to happen.
My Son, fourth outfielder extraordinaire.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
Not everyday, but Rowand could sit a few times per week
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG
by Useful_Idiot on May 29, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Moot, as that is not what is going to happen.
My Son, fourth outfielder extraordinaire.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
by GiantPain on May 29, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, that isn't going to happen either
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 29, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
If Rowand keeps hitting like he is hitting and Torres stays hot, Torres will see more time in center
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG
by Useful_Idiot on May 29, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Not unless we get a new manager
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 29, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
What are you basing this off of?
You have seen how the manager has handled the roster the last couple of years, right?
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
I realize Bochy generally does a very poor job of handling the lineup, but if Rowand continues at his abysmal pace then Torres’ contributions will force the issue. Again, Rowand will never be flat out benched, but he won’t continue to start every single game
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG
by Useful_Idiot on May 29, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Randy Winn
Remember him?
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
This
I am not sure where this faith in Bochy’s decision making is coming from.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 29, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s not faith in Bochy’s decision making. Rowand is looking worse than Randy Winn did, and Torres is forcing his way into the lineup. I could be wrong, but I think Torres is going to get more playing time
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG
by Useful_Idiot on May 29, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
You realize this someone has to make that call, right?
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 29, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, but even the dumbest man in the world gets some things right.
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG
by Useful_Idiot on May 29, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess we will find that out
I mean, it appears we have all the ingredients in place.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 29, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Rowand is looking worse than Randy Winn did
This can’t be possible, can it? I mean, really. Randy Winn looked horrible with a capital 0; for 0fer.
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
I wouldn’t know where to go to find the stats, but I don’t remember Winn ever being determined to swing at every first pitch or slider in the dirt, or have a .270ish OBP
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG
by Useful_Idiot on May 29, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, Randy Winn was always a very solid defender. Rowand has his special moments, but his range isn’t great in center and his arm is questionable
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG
by Useful_Idiot on May 29, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Right now
Rowand’s OPS and OPS+ are essentially identical to Randy Winn’s last year. Randy Winn was playing right field while Rowand is in center field.
Plus, it’s likely the Rowand’s numbers go up again. Even if just.
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
By the way
The fact that Aaron Rowand’s OPS and OPS+ are essentially identical to Randy Winn’s from last year is a horrifying fact.
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
Career with the Giants
Rowand: .262/.322/.413, 90 OPS+.
Scheirholtz: .285/.326/.414, 91 OPS+.
Pretty identical. Now, Schierholtz is younger and started the season much better, but Rowand is still better defensively. Whatever difference there is between them, it’s not very big.
Of course, the fact that the difference isn’t very big is a sign of how poorly run this club is, since it refuses to let one play but gave a $60M contract to the other. But it doesn’t mean that Schierholtz is better.
I was promised lasagna.
How does the fact that those are Nate’s first 200 ABs and Rowand has had nearly 4000 affect that analysis? do you expect a players first 200 AB to be at or near his career average?
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on May 29, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
This is an honest question by the way…
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on May 29, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not sure what you mean by 200 AB’s, Nate has 630 PA’s. I definitely think Nate can improve from his current line, but I don’t know if it’ll make up for the fact that right now Rowand is the better defender. Nate’s probably a bit better overall right now, but not by much.
In two years the difference should be pretty big, though.
I was promised lasagna.
You are correct, I looked at the wrong column…
I don’t really buy that Rowand is the better defender, but I will agree that they are probably not all that different in overall value. I just think Nate has a better chance going forward to improve than Aaron.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on May 29, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s tough the compare the two because Nate hasn’t received regular playing time. He seems to be more patient this year, and I wish he could get enough regular at bats so that we can find out whether thats a fluke or not.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Also
Nate does not include AJ Piersynski amongst his friends.
Which is nice
by E Ticket on May 29, 2010 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions
in this line with my whole family and putative descendants
if Freddie Sanchez, Mark DeRosa and Aubrey Huff are the answer, I guess I just didn't understand the question.
skipping AA?
are we sure he’s ready?
Proud adopted parent of the ball dudes, who have grounded into 109 fewer double plays than the Giants.
Pat Burrell - sucks at hitting in 2010 but great at predicting the future
So Pat, what will REALLY happen on 12/21/2012?
/Win the inning
//Renteria - Still not a VD but I crush a lot
///Willism is Realism
That date would be way more awesome if it were 12/21/2112
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on May 29, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Pat: A bunch of morons will show themselves
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on May 29, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
The Giants have two of the best young catchers in the game on the roster right now.
who’s the other one? (unless you count Panda) What have I missed?
Proud adopted parent of the ball dudes, who have grounded into 109 fewer double plays than the Giants.
It's Panda
My Son, fourth outfielder extraordinaire.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
Did you read the next line about corner infielders? If Posey is a 1B, then all you have to do is look at 3B.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on May 29, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Juan Uribe, clearly
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG
by Useful_Idiot on May 29, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Baggs:
It also would be wrong to assume that Posey will be a super-two. That’s because it’s wrong to assume he will stay in the big leagues and accrue time the rest of this season. I do believe there’s a very good chance Posey will return to Fresno when Renteria returns, or perhaps even when DeRosa rejoins the team.
This would be stupid. Why bother calling him up then?
01.19.2010
r.i.p. buster posey
Wave them home Tim Flannery, wave them home.
Better than Velez
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
velez is alive still?
IN TIMMY WE TRUST
by LincecumFTK on May 29, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
This would be stupid. Why bother calling him up then?
Keeping Downs’s roster spot warm.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on May 29, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Posey isn't ready............
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
he'll go 0-4 tonight, not ready
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
daskf;jpdsiojzcvxkl
Fuck you Brian. Fuck you right in the ear.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
"Out on bail, Buster outta jail, San Francisco dreamin..."
by SoFa King Mike on May 29, 2010 12:29 PM PDT reply actions
H e looks like a cartoon character there. Maybe it’s the eyes
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG
by Useful_Idiot on May 29, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL MLB.com
Using Posey at first would enable the Giants to keep Bengie Molina, an astute handler of the pitching staff, behind the plate. First baseman Aubrey Huff will move to first base.
"I never watched baseball on TV. It's slow and boring. I'm not a fan. Never was." - Jeff Kent
Haha.
"There he goes. One of god's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
by KINGofCRA5H on May 29, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner
by walkoff baltimore chop on May 29, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I really can't believe
That the Giants have figured out a way to bring up Buster Posey and make the team worse at the same time.
My Son, fourth outfielder extraordinaire.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
MAGIC INSIDE!!
"There he goes. One of god's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
by KINGofCRA5H on May 29, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
what happened again?
does it matter?
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
That the Giants have figured out a way to bring up Buster Posey and make the team worse at the same time.
I think that about sums it up
by NateEveryday on May 29, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL GIANTS
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 29, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
we can have 2 first basemen? How come no one has thought of that before? This is brilliant!
Proud adopted parent of the ball dudes, who have grounded into 109 fewer double plays than the Giants.
I like that Bengie is playing so poorly there is absolutely no defense for starting him anymore outside of pitcher handline.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on May 29, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Handling, too.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on May 29, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
HANDLES THE BAT AND PITCHERS WELL
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Bengie
an astute handler of the pitching staff, behind the steaming plate of gravy-topped french fries.
if Freddie Sanchez, Mark DeRosa and Aubrey Huff are the answer, I guess I just didn't understand the question.
MLOLB.Com
Hitting 74 on the radar gun but hitting my spots.
by VidaWantsYourCar on May 29, 2010 12:34 PM PDT reply actions
Beat me to it
Hitting 74 on the radar gun but hitting my spots.
by VidaWantsYourCar on May 29, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
why does Schierholtz have to take the fall for this punk?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD!
mccoven diversity: Romosexuals, Velezbians, Nerb's--they're all here...
ugh, yeah
we need his defense but watching him with the bat right now is painful.
"There he goes. One of god's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
by KINGofCRA5H on May 29, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
it appears that Torres has leapfrogged His Gamerishness in every aspect of the game of baseball.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD!
mccoven diversity: Romosexuals, Velezbians, Nerb's--they're all here...
by greatgiantfan on May 29, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
except salary, perhaps
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD!
mccoven diversity: Romosexuals, Velezbians, Nerb's--they're all here...
by greatgiantfan on May 29, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
We are one Bengie Molina season ending injury from most of our problems being resolved. Unfortunately, even if his quadricep or hamstring disintegrated nobody would even notice
We're In This!
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
more torture….give it to me!
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD!
mccoven diversity: Romosexuals, Velezbians, Nerb's--they're all here...
by greatgiantfan on May 29, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the Giants got the idea to both call up Posey and do something stupid from this post.
And so, as always, I blame Grant.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
without even looking at that link, I blame Grant
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD!
mccoven diversity: Romosexuals, Velezbians, Nerb's--they're all here...
by greatgiantfan on May 29, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
DAMN YOU FRISBEE!!
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on May 29, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s almost as if they think a young player HAS to take the place of another young player. They finally give Schierholtz a meaningful stretch of ab’s and now he is relegated to the bench again. I don’t care what they say about his defense behind the plate, he should have been there from the start of the season. Our rotation is going to be throwing to Posey for many seasons, why not get it out of the way now. No catcher regardless of how poorly they call a game would hurt this rotation that much.
by theimmortalbenard on May 29, 2010 12:41 PM PDT reply actions
Bowtie should call up a manager from AAA
if Freddie Sanchez, Mark DeRosa and Aubrey Huff are the answer, I guess I just didn't understand the question.
No one has brought this up yet:
Molina is giving up free bases left and right. Posey is likely to do a much better job of preventing stolen bases. It’s possible Bochy said F this, we need to be able to stem the tide and so Buster was born.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on May 29, 2010 12:43 PM PDT reply actions
the stolen base thing is on the pitchers
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD!
mccoven diversity: Romosexuals, Velezbians, Nerb's--they're all here...
by greatgiantfan on May 29, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
In part.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on May 29, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
surrrre
all the pitchers
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Buster coming up and playing the lion’s share of catcher is the best possible scenario… so I am doubtful it will happen that way.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on May 29, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I wonder if Buster can catch lazy foul pop ups 30 feet from home plate?
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Buster would throw the ball into CF every time he tried to throw someone out.
01.19.2010
r.i.p. buster posey
Wave them home Tim Flannery, wave them home.
can he even reach second?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD!
mccoven diversity: Romosexuals, Velezbians, Nerb's--they're all here...
by greatgiantfan on May 29, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
He would throw the ball into the view level
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 29, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
He'll 1-up Latos
as Buster’s throw will reach Oakland Coliseum and cracked the windshield of Ray Fosse’s car.
/Win the inning
//Renteria - Still not a VD but I crush a lot
///Willism is Realism
by Scooter Ellis on May 29, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
This would make the call-up worthwhile
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 29, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
What are the odds that Molina pouts again, now that Buster has been called up?
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
He's probably so excited
“This kid’s going to be a great first baseman some day”
My Son, fourth outfielder extraordinaire.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
if he does the fans should boo his a//
if Freddie Sanchez, Mark DeRosa and Aubrey Huff are the answer, I guess I just didn't understand the question.
At this point, something needs to be done to get rid of Bengie and Rowand
Bite the bullet and trade em for pixie dust, even if means eating $23M (Rowand).
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
I agree. I would pay all of their contracts
if it meant Buster at C every day and Nate in RF every day.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
it seems that the logjam always comes down to Rowand…
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD!
mccoven diversity: Romosexuals, Velezbians, Nerb's--they're all here...
by greatgiantfan on May 29, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
IT's a simple question of
“Do I want to make this team better?” You’re going to pay the same amount of money out no matter what…
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
LOL Baggs commenter
Just have to share this; I think it’s sadly funny.
My 90-year-old mother is a casual fan. I mentioned to her this morning, "Matt Cain threw a great game last night."
Her response: "Did he win?"
Giants Baseball: TORTURE
I'd laugh if it didn't hurt.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Posey is just keeping 1B warm for Brandon Belt
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
So it turns out girls don’t actually have cooties.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on May 29, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Dangit. I screwed up the joke template.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on May 29, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's a thought
Whiteside’s catching Sanchez tonight, Molina is obviously catching Timmy on Monday (against Jimenez)…so what if Posey catches Wellemeyer tomorrow? You give Molina the weekend off to rest, so he’s fresh for Monday. Wellemeyer has pitched well at home, and I don’t he gives a crap who catches him. And it’s your fifth starter, so expectations are low.
Giants Baseball: TORTURE
Makes sense, so I doubt they do it.
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on May 29, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Time to dust this off, I suppose
It’s Buster time.
by Natto on May 29, 2010 1:47 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
epic win
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG
by Useful_Idiot on May 29, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Is that his arbitration clock?
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
When it hits 12, that means nuclear annihilation, right?
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
they’ll never explain that.
see you in another life, brother
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
close
Mystery Men. The movie
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
OT: Noms
I am eating pierogies, and they’re amazingly delicious.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Jimmy Johns Sammich
Adopted father of Eric Surkamp, the next great big-eared soft tossing lefty in SF Giants History!
by Speedforthewin on May 29, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
spaghettios
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG
by Useful_Idiot on May 29, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Seriously?
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
…Yes? Am I missing something?
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG
by Useful_Idiot on May 29, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess I’ve just never met someone who copped to eating Spaghettios. I mean, I’ve done it, but I was in the middle of the wilderness with only a fire pit to work with.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I freaking love spaghettios. Also, I’m on a budget
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- LUHG
by Useful_Idiot on May 29, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
OT: The Duke
Did you guys see that Duchsherer is going to miss the rest of the season? That sucks.
My Son, fourth outfielder extraordinaire.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
I know! He’s on my damn fantasy team!
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Another of my white whales bites the dust
LOLARS
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 29, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm so glad we didn't sign him in the off-season!
Just kidding. He was one of those guys I thought would be a nice fifth starter. Although I am now happy we didn’t sign him in the off-season.
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
Oh, and speaking of Dukes
The Marmaduke movie. Yup.
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
lol
that explains why his right hind leg is so black
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
If he was a Giant, he’d pitch through it.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on May 29, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
After taking a week off to calm the nerve down.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Carlos Silva...
7Ks through three?! What the hell happened to that guy?
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Also..
Thanks for ruining my MLB.com, FOX! Really appreciate it1
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Steroids!
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
I’d be lying if I told you that it hasn’t crossed my mind.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Sometime change of scenery does work for some guys
Remember Penny’s crazy September for the Giants after getting pounded hard (TWAMS) by the AL East. I sure hope Burrell can find that magic coming home…
/Win the inning
//Renteria - Still not a VD but I crush a lot
///Willism is Realism
by Scooter Ellis on May 29, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
That's What Alyssa Milano Said?
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Alfred Molina?
"I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."- Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on May 29, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Awwwww Yeah
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
I’m looking forward to watching Posey hit. I’ve always liked watching the line drive type hitters, partly because that was my style in Little League (gap power only!); and it’s always nice to see someone you’ve been waiting for make his (second) debut.
Here’s hoping Posey bats a solid .290 with some walks and doubles.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
This is pretty exciting. Though this loses a lot of it’s appeal with Gerald at 1B a majority of the time. I wonder what it will take for him to get behind the dish 4 or times a week. How low does Bengie’s numbers have to sink for this to happen.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on May 29, 2010 2:12 PM PDT reply actions
hankschulman
C’mon now. We ask twice a week. Bochy likes Rowand better.
RT @ara1979: Why are you guys not asking about the Giants benching Rowand?
4 minutes ago via TweetDeck
Well… yeah. I’m soooooo tired of Bochy.
TORRES WILL PLAY CF!!
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 29, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
“C’mon now. We ask twice a week. Bochy likes Rowand better.”
Oh, I’m sorry, I thought you were a reporter. If it’s a big enough issue to ask him about twice a week, why not write a story about it?
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on May 29, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly. Hank is full of shit. They are all full of shit
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on May 29, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
All giants media is, nothing but aaron rowand apologists and sabean defenders trying to act like they know more than everyone.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Errmm rowands a veteran he had a great 2007 season gold glover errmm
Even more evidence B&S are brain dead and cant stop for a second jerking off to a baseball card thinking “career year” as they touch themselve. Why is it that the giants “management” are completely oblivious to things we’ve been aware of since 2008?
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
/after game sabean says posey isn’t ready for the majors till 2013 and “cant call a good game”, signs molina to extension 2 year 18 million dollar extension.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
/bork pinch hits molina for posey with bases loaded 1 out trailing by 1 run in the 9th looking for some “power”. Molina promptly GIDP’s on a 1st pitch fasrtball and posey gets sent down for “not performing up to expectations”.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
An 0-fer wouldn't surprise me in the least
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 29, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
0-1 as pinch hitter
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
0-0, 4 BBs
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on May 29, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
/Shawon curses Gerald
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on May 29, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
hankschulman Fresno loses Posey but gains Burrell. The deal is official. Pat the Bat is a Giant (or at least a Grizzlie).
My Son, fourth outfielder extraordinaire.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
I have a sense of impending fail
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
The Bat's Scenarios
1) He stinks in Fresno and is let go – no harm done as it was basically a tryout.
2) He does well in AAA, as should ALL AAA hitters in Sabean’s world and joins the Giants as they DFA Velez – I’m OK with this as Velez will never be in San Francicso as a Giant again. Looking forward to 100 games of Burrell in left…=(
3) By some strange luck, Burrell actually regains his hitting stroke and put up delicious numbers – YAY, somebody extend Sabean to infinity!
/Win the inning
//Renteria - Still not a VD but I crush a lot
///Willism is Realism
by Scooter Ellis on May 29, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't like any of these options
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Why?
He costs basically nothing – the Rays are still footing the bill. What’s the harm?
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Option 1: Waste of time
Option 2: Burrell’s defense in LF
Option 3: Sabean forever
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Why is 1 a waste of time? A guy who’s had some major league success gets a look in a situation where he can’t harm anything. Not blocking anyone, no risk.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
It's a waste of my time reading about it
And whomever paid for a ticket in Fresno to watch him blow chunks. Of the three options, I would prefer #2.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Well You Better Like It Because One Will Happen For Sure
I highly doubt Bork will use Burrell as strictly a power PH like Giambi and Stairs so one of my 3 scenarios WILL happen a la my Burrell sense.
/Win the inning
//Renteria - Still not a VD but I crush a lot
///Willism is Realism
by Scooter Ellis on May 29, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
This is a summary of Burrell's career as a Giant
First game as a Grizzlie: 2-4, HR, 3 RBIs
/AAA pitching isn’t that good, promoted to AA
First game as a Flying Squirrel: 1-4, 3 Ks
/Bat speed looks good, promoted to the Giants, Ishi DFA
First game as a Giant pinch-hitting: 1-1, 2B, RBI
/Becomes new everyday LF
LOL MYCHAEAEOUEL URBAN
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
This is so funny
http://www.csnbayarea.com/pages/landing?blockID=238558
Consider this extremely informed speculation. I know this team. I know its needs. I know the way the organization thinks.
I know that Pat Burrell is not going to be a Giant.
My Son, fourth outfielder extraordinaire.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
BOOK IT!!
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 29, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Urban tweets
#sfgiants fans, please stop thinking Pat Burrell might be an option. I know this team. Dude is NOT an option. He’s a DH at best. Book it.
To clarify, #sfgiants fans: Burrell will NOT be a Giant, guaranteed. Blogged about it at csnbayarea.com.
My Son, fourth outfielder extraordinaire.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
LOL
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 29, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm just in a bitching mood right now
Rowand and Molina won’t sit, so I was digging around trying to fan my misery. I always knew that Rowand was overpaid and wasn’t as good as he is being treated. But I never fully appreciated just how much he has been over-rated.
The guy has had exactly two seasons above a 100 OPS+ in his entire career. And those were in hitters parks. How did this guy get a 5 year 60 million dollar contract and superstar treatment?
Man, this front office terrible.
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
OPS+ is park-adjusted, y’know.
And he had OPS+s over 100 twice in partial seasons.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. Because all 50th Round picks go to heaven (or at least extended spring training).
Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
I ignored the partial seasons
I want to bitch, gulldurnit.
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
I haven't anticipated a LOLINEUP like this in a long time
guillermo mota: adopted for his veteran relieving savvy
SFGiants It’s official – Posey recalled from Fresno and Joaquin optioned to triple-A. Posey is batting 6th and playing 1st base tonight. #SFGiants
FREE BUSTER POSEY
Torres rf,
Sanchez 2b,
Sandoval 3b,
Huff lf,
Uribe ss,
Posey 1b,
Rowand cf,
Whiteside c,
Sanchez p
My Son, fourth outfielder extraordinaire.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
lol nate =(
My Son, fourth outfielder extraordinaire.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
Um.. rowand should be hitting 8th.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Yeah, since Sanchez bunting over Whiteside has worked REAL well so far this season.
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
Fixed
Um.. rowand should be hitting 8th sitting on the bench.
"You can always recover from the player you didn't sign. You may never recover from the player you signed at the wrong price." --Billy Beane
"I am not an idiot."--Brian Sabean
by Sabean's_Folly on May 29, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL GIANTS ROWAND APOLOGISTS LOLOL
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
I could crap a turd that could put up a line like Rowand's this season, and I could crap a turd smarter than Bochy.
"You can always recover from the player you didn't sign. You may never recover from the player you signed at the wrong price." --Billy Beane
"I am not an idiot."--Brian Sabean
by Sabean's_Folly on May 29, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
You are truly a champion pooper
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Before we crown him champ, I want to see a poop-off between him and Howie. Well, I don’t want to see it, but I do want to hear about the results.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on May 29, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
for one, I don't want to see the poop-off.
but would like to follow it on GameDay
if Freddie Sanchez, Mark DeRosa and Aubrey Huff are the answer, I guess I just didn't understand the question.
They don't have to be a MENSA candidate to be smarter than Bochy
"You can always recover from the player you didn't sign. You may never recover from the player you signed at the wrong price." --Billy Beane
"I am not an idiot."--Brian Sabean
by Sabean's_Folly on May 29, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
i anticipate walks by posey leading to double plays by sir rowand
guillermo mota: adopted for his veteran relieving savvy
We can only pray rowand weakly flys out or strikes out on 3 pitches
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Is this a prediction or what it will be tonight? I don’t see that Baggs has posted the lineup yet
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on May 29, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Real
From the SFGiants twitter, now confirmed by multiples
My Son, fourth outfielder extraordinaire.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
/bork sticks rowand in 6th spot, whiteside in 7th stating he “prefers experinced veteran proffesional hitters ahead of the less experinced ones”.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Does anyone know . . .
. . . whether Schierholtz is 100% right now? He was clearly in some pain after that wall collision on the one hit of the game. Has he possibly aggravated that shoulder injury?
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
I pointed this out last night, and nobody’s listened so far. I think they’d just rather bitch about Bochy.
Give Nate a damn day off; it’s not like Bochy would bench Rowand and Molina in the same game, anyway.
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
Just so.
My problem is not with giving Schierholtz the day off, it’s with not permanently moving Rowand to LF. His CF skills are adequate at best, and Torres is so obviously superior that it needs no discussion. I am about the opposite of a Rowand fan, but it still seems likely that he’ll eventually have a hot streak and come up to his norms; mind, his norms are unexciting at best, and even at them he does not hit well enough for a corner outfielder (nor even for a less-than-brilliant CF), but there’s nothing better in the cupboard unless one continues to have wet dreams about Bowker.
About the best this team can field right now would be this:
1. Torres # (CF)
2. Sandoval # (3B)
3. Huff * (1B)
4. Uribe + (2B)
5. Schierholtz * (RF)
6. Posey + ©
7. Rowand + (LF)
8. pitcher (P)
9. Renteria # (SS)
But I’d be willing to take a flyer on Bowker in LF, just to see; and I’d be willing even to try Pat the Bat there if he absolutely tears the cover of the ball at Fresno for a month or so.
The one indisputable move this team needs to make right now is to excise the cancer that is B. Molina. Trade him for a 73-year-old ball dude, or DFA him, but get his clog out of the drain.
Sadsly, there are few position prospects behind Posey, probably none close to ready, and I don’t know of any at AA or above that are of potential star (much less superstar) quality.
Worse, I’m beginning to wonder if The New And Improved Nate wasn’t an optical illusion . . . .
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Decent analysis on the whole
But Rowand’s CF skills are not “adequate at best”.
He’s actually pretty good. Career UZR/150 of 7.6, and he appears faster than ever this year.
My Son, fourth outfielder extraordinaire.
My rule for the 2010 Giants: Everyone with an OPS over .800 gets a pass.
Uribe is a better second baseman than Sanchez? I disbelieve, if only from casual observation.
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
No . . .
. . . he’s a better-hitting second baseman. And (like Davey Johnson), I’ll take offense over defense every time, unless the defense is absolutely, positively comical. While on a career basis, FSanchez’s numbers are a bit better than Uribe’s, I think that Uribe is the better hitter these days; but I wouldn’t go postal if Sanchez were subbed for Uribe on that list. (And in fact I think that rotating all three middle infielders on a maybe 2/3-play-time basis is the best arrangement.)
(Sidebar: I just noticed what the board software did to a capital “C” in parentheses. I love this software like—as an old silent-movie speech frame once put it—a barber loves a safety razor.)
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
I generally really like SBN’s software, but its autoformat “features” are horrible.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. Because all 50th Round picks go to heaven (or at least extended spring training).
Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
I misunderstood your meaning in “fielding” the best team, since your post started with talking exclusively about defense.
Uribe has been a pleasant surprise in some ways this year, but his OBP is a bit inflated by Oliver Perez, and he isn’t hitting for average in the way that he was last year (with a hearty .325 BABIP). In fact, he’s only a .257 career hitter, and never really with enough power to warrant those kinds of numbers (.431 SLG, .174 ISO, .731 OPS).
I think that Sanchez and Uribe both figure to be worth roughly 2-3 WAR to the team this season, but I think that Uribe has more value to the team as a shortstop, since I am starting to doubt that we will ever see a healthy Edgar Renteria ever again.
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
Sorry . . .
. . . by “fielding” I meant simply “putting on the field”.
Curiously, Uribe’s BABIP right now is 17 points over his career figure—but his career figure is about 15 points below normal. So the question becomes “Is Uribe’s 2010 BABIP unusually high, or has he just had a below-average luck factor for much of his career?” Or is he hitting balls differently, which could change the BABIP? Much could be said, but I don’t think any answer is obviously right or obviously wrong.
I am less pessimistic about Renteria, but I do hope he gets enough time: another of those patented Giants’ rush Return Before Ready© jobs and he will be out for the year.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
In his KNBR interview, Sabean said Renteria could be another 3 weeks before he’s back, at which point he’ll have missed about 2/3 of the season to date. As far as I’m concerned, Uribe is this team’s everyday SS until further notice.
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
OT: LOL JOBA CHAMBERLAIN FAT
Yankee’s with a 10-5 lead in the 7th against the powerful indians, joba chamberlain comes in with 2 outs and nobody on and proceeds to give up 5 straight runs LOLOLOL.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Did Jaoquin play at all since he was called up?
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on May 29, 2010 2:41 PM PDT reply actions
He was just covering Affeldt’s bullpen spot while he was day-to-day. I assume that Joaquin would have had Medders’ duties, and everyone else moves up a role. Affeldt’s supposedly ready to play starting today.
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
JOBA WOULD BE CY YOUNG IN NL!!
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. Because all 50th Round picks go to heaven (or at least extended spring training).
Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
JUST LIKE ALL THOSE CY YOUNGS JOHAN HAS WON SINCE HE MOVED TO THE NL!!
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 29, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
susan waltman in tears in tthe club house, how the fuck is that fat bitch employed?
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
sheesh
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
parabolas excite me
if Freddie Sanchez, Mark DeRosa and Aubrey Huff are the answer, I guess I just didn't understand the question.
When I listened to the post game highlight reel it was hilarious. While joba was blowing it susan waltman was audibly grunting and slamming her fat fists against the desk, it was a must listen.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
stupid ass national media insanely over-hyping the yankee’s per usual. The same group of people who said granderson would hit .300 with 40 home runs and afraud would “bounce back” with a 60 home run campaign.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
his 5.5 era and 4 meltdowns as the setup man (who never pitches with less than a 3 run lead) shows how true that is.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Plus hordes of Yankees fan defending the Joba Rules experiment. AL = Superior league, superior hitters, blah blah blah…
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
Simply put, you stick a guy like Chamberlain in the NL, and he’d look like Cy Young. Sorry, NL fans, but your pitchers aren’t as good as you think.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on May 29, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
And it’s articles at this that remind me that the guys at Fangraphs and MLBTR are not as smart as they act sometimes.
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
Bah. When did I develop a typing deficiency? (Don’t answer that.)
like* this
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
LOL JOBA IS ONE OF THE BEST YOUNG PITCHERS IN BASEBALL LOLOL /BUSTER ONLEY
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Olney is a Dodgers fan, which says a lot about his tastes.
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
looks like Molina's tummy
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
he’s there to play center. An all first basemen outfield
"Life is like a grapefruit. Well, it's sort of orangy-yellow and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, too. Oh, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
by operation carrot on May 29, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
OT: Just watched Avatar for the first time last night.
Sucked. Just as expected. Sure it was impressive visually, but, it’s not like I was standing at the Glacier Point Overlook or the South Rim of the Grand Canyon, I was looking at a screen.
Terribly predictable. Extremely self-aggrandizing, atrocious dialogue and weak characters.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
it was dances with wolves. in space.
"Life is like a grapefruit. Well, it's sort of orangy-yellow and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, too. Oh, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
by operation carrot on May 29, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
also pocahantes. in space
"Life is like a grapefruit. Well, it's sort of orangy-yellow and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, too. Oh, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
by operation carrot on May 29, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
The antagonist character appears to have been written by 5 year old hippie offspring.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Pocahontas meets Ferngully.
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by Giantsfan4life on May 29, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
missed those.
Toys meets Star Trek meets Jurrasic Park.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
It was incredibly simplistic
in handling a complicated dilemma. Killing people and destroying their civilization is bad.
Thanks James. I really needed Avatar to tell me that.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
I didn’t think Avatar was a bad movie, per se; I thought it wasn’t as good as James Cameron thought it was, a belief that bled through in every frame of the film. I also resent what it’s going to do to an industry that’s wasteful enough as it is.
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i liked it liked i liked terminator salvation. It was entertaining and it was worth the money for the effects alone. However it should not have been nominated for an oscar nor should it be the highest grossing movie of all time. no that honor should belong to Frogs
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by operation carrot on May 29, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
The first sentence of this reply asploded my brains.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
boom headshot
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by operation carrot on May 29, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Avatar improves by 50% if the Na'vi lose
Look, it’s basically Pocahontas. So stick to the source, and make it a tragedy. You’ve got that scene where it looks like the Na’vi are going to lose, until all their forest friends show up and save them. Just cut that, and have them lose. Defeated by technology. Like what really happened.
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15%
Maybe. Too much fail happening throughout the movie.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
don't ruin the sequel!!
I’m sure we’ll be introduced to some kind of space whale that can defeat interstellar ships
We don't have to improve our ability to get people on base to improve our offense. If we sign FAs with decent RBI totals they will bring those RBIs with them. Its science. Or magic. We aren't exactly sure. The IT department hasn't responded to our telegram. --Sabean's offseason master plan
Shift+A
Why is it that when I accept that it’s better that Posey not be called up, the Ginats brassz calls him up?
El Person!!!
QUICK! ACCEPT THAT IT’S BEST TO HAVE HIM PLAY FIRST BASE!!!
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 29, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Consider, if you will,
the Giant problems that emerged over 5 years regarding how to keep both Willie Mac and Orlando Cepeda in the lineup. It led to Mac in left, with Mays covering 2/3 of the outfield, not that Mac was inept.
I we only had such problems!!! Oy!!
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OT: Joe buck yourself
I don’t mean to be rude, but joe buck is fucking atrocious. I have never understood how this boring dolt gets jobs, clearly the LOL HALL OF FAMER FATHER card will never stop giving him pity jobs. I figured after his call of the 2007 super bowl that he’d be out of work for the rest of his life. It’s hard to have less talent in a booth than joe buck and tim mccarver.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Tim McCarver untalented?
BUT WHAT ABOUT HIS GAME CALLING SKILLS? WITHOUT THEM, BOB GIBSON WOULD HAVE BEEN LUCKY TO BE HALF AS GOOD AS WILLIAM VANLANDINGHAM!
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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YEAH I FORGOT HOW MUCH KNOWLEDGE HE HAS ABOUT CALLING THEM FASTBALLS DOWN THE MIDDLE DAMN HE REVOLUTIONIZED AN ERA!
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Tim McCarver: making "douchebag" real since 1982
if Freddie Sanchez, Mark DeRosa and Aubrey Huff are the answer, I guess I just didn't understand the question.
i thought he did a good job on the 07 super bowl
both he and Aikman just called/analyzed the game well, made decent commentary and stayed out of the way. I agree he sucks but I thought he did well there.
His call of the Tyree catch was the worst call of a huge moment in sports history
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I know it was unexpected
but that’s what makes broadcasters great, being able to deal with the unexpected and still get the job done
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He doesn't like you
I don’t like you either
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bbblarrrgh
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by natteringnabob on May 29, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
IM BACK WITH MORE FUCKING RAGE
GODDAMIT WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK YOU STUPID FUCKING MORONS THAT ARE RUNNING THIS TEAM. YOU FUCKING IDIOTS!!!! BUSTER POSEY IS A FUCKING CATCHER AND AUBREY HUFF IS ACTUALLY PLAYING PRETTY WELL AND BENGIE MOLINA IS FUCKING TERRRIBLE SO WHY THE ACTUAL FUCK ARE YOU REPLACING THE GOOD PLAYER WHILE KEEPING THE SHITTY ONE ON THE FIELD, YOU FUCKING HACKS?!
GOD FUCKING DAMNIT. I knew they were going to do this but I’m still fucking pissed. Fucking bullshit.
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Holy shit I am so angry about this
holy shit.
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I actually threw something when I read the SFGiants tweet about it
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now THAT'S excitement!
Giants Baseball: It’s Infuriating Inside!
"I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."- Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on May 29, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Giants Baseball: It's keeping money on the field
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Giants Baseball: There's apoplexy inside!
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by Sabean's_Folly on May 29, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s not replacing the good hitter. He’s replacing Nate Schierholtz.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
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The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
even so
it’s fucking retarded to play A CATCHING PROSPECT AT FIRST BASE!!! ARRGGHHHHHH I AM SO MAD ABOUT THAT. Why would you do that!??!
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Sabean panic move that the great unwashed are eating up like it will actually make a difference
WHY IS BENGIE?!
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 29, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
HE'S NOT EVEN THAT GOOD WHEN PLAYED AT 1B!!!
ALL OF HIS VALUE IS THAT HE’S A CATCHER WHO HITS BETTER THAN MOST CATCHERS!! His UPSIDE at 1B would be maybe league average? And Molina isn’t playing well enough to deserve to stay in the lineup! IT IS SO GODDAMNED RETARDED!!!!
here we go again.
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Yep
/shrug
What can we do. We are in the minority. They have been selling Posey to the schmoes as a OMG BANGER STUD so that when he gets here and doesn’t hit like a league average 1B, people will be wondering what happened.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 29, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
and theeeeeeeeeeen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7luMp6lb9M
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by natteringnabob on May 29, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Ain't it fun bein a fan of a franchise run by fuckwits?
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by Sabean's_Folly on May 29, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I AGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY
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by walkoff baltimore chop on May 29, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Deep breaths, gentlemen.
In all eras 1st base has often been a “pivot” position which the manager can use to “balance” the lineup in order to rest or show off or platoon various players, The DH in the AL has made this less necessary for those teams since that’s a built-in platoon. But in the NL, 1st base often becomes the platoon position, the idea being that any ham-fisted buffoon can catch a ball thrown to them.
It was true even in 1958 when not one team in the AL had a player with more than 465 AB’s at 1st. Six (of eight) teams had one player with around 300 and another with around 200.
In a remarkable contrast (and unique, I think) is that in the National League of 1956 every single team (8 for 8) had a 1st baseman with 460+ AB’s.
Without looking, can anyone name who it was for the Giants?
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I'm sorry
I refuse to listen to anyone who tries to reason that this makes ANY amount of sense. This is fucking retarded, end of story. Rowand and Molina are fucking terrible, and Posey is like 10x more valuable when played at catcher. This move is retarded.
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if any buffoon can play 1B, then why don’t we put Posey at C and Molina at 1B, at least we can get Posey some catching time. Giving Molina an easier job in the field might also help his bat (at least it doesn’t hurt).
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Because Molina is not just ANY buffoon. He's the biggest, fattest, slowest, whiniest buffoon in the NL.
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by Sabean's_Folly on May 29, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not saying it makes sense
simply that it is a traditional mode of management.
I respect your passion, bondslegend.
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use the reply button
“passion” is an interesting word for it. And I know that your point was valid, but I will not let this go. This is so fucking stupid that I can’t even see straight while thinking about it. It makes no sense to call him up and play him at 1B.
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Note
recently in mlb 10 I hit an oppo HR with Posey in ATT park. If he does that in real life, I’ll settle down a little bit. This move is fucking moronic, but at least we get to see the dude hit. For like 3 ABs until he strikes out the first time, then it’s back to the bench.
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Well, let's not use MLB video game to value these guys
I hit a 402 foot opposite field shot into the cove today with Bengie Molina in MLB 09…
Amusingly, the camera bounces when the ball is hit over the wall like that, as though it is following a ball bouncing on the ground outside the stadium.
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Wow
the only one I’ve seen do that in the game is pujols. The camera bouncing thing is hilarious
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yeah
I was pretty stunned both that I hit one there, and that the guy doing it was Bengie Fucking Molina.
I just started playing again starting with 09 rosters. The AI is sub Brian Sabean on trades. I was able to get Grady Sizemore for Rowand and some youngsters. And Brian Roberts in a similar crap centered deal. I think I might have had to part with Randy Winn in that deal?
Helps that I can sign a PED free Manny to play LF and Adam Dunn for 1st. Ben Sheets is a much easier contract to swallow when I’m likely to not play all 4 years of it, so I traded Randy Johnson.
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I love video game roster moves
they’re so much easier
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LOL
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LOL
at first I thought this was in the fantasy baseball portion of the thread. I was going to freak out
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LOL!
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by Sabean's_Folly on May 29, 2010 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
OT
Hendrick’s Gin and Fever Tree tonic make a delightful G&T
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YES!!
drop in a slice of cucumber and holy shit
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Cucumber?
I’ve never heard of that.
I’m with the classic, lime.
I bet my wife would like that though.
Hmm, would I have the same effect with a Vlassic pickle?
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I'm gonna guess no.
I went to a place that claimed to have the best G&T around, and apparently the cucumber was their secret. It was incredible. Very refreshing.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
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I’ll remember this on one of our blessed Sacramento summer days.
Blessed? I mean blasted.
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Beefeater is real solid
Especially for the price. IIRC you can get a handle for ~$20.
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LOL MARINERS
nothing needs to be said.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Both SP’s got Cain’d
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on May 29, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow. Walkoff GS for Morales
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on May 29, 2010 4:05 PM PDT reply actions
LOL KENDRY MORALES HURT WHILE CELEBRATING WITH TEAMATES LOL
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
So stupid
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by Giant among Angels on May 29, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
It helps . . .
. . . to keep the lineup and the defensive placements quite separate in one’s mind.
Posey is, in effect, playing an outfield position; the shuffling that accomplishes that is largely immaterial: Huff in LF is not likely to make much difference. So the question becomes “Is Posey a better bat than some one of the outfielders?” The obvious answer is, Yes, better than Rowand, so logically the OF should be Huff/Torres/Schierholtz, and that would be a modest offensive improvement (perhaps more than modest, depending on one’s opinions of when, if ever, Rowand will return to his norms).
Of course, that is not the OF we get: Schierholtz, not Rowand, has been benched. But before everyone gores postal on that, consider that there is a very real chance that Schierholtz may have significantly aggraveted his shoulder injury with that wall collision last night (it was obvious that he was in pain immediately after), and may need a day (or more) off. In that case, it becomes “Who would you rather have in the lineup: Posey or Bowker?”
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"Who would you rather have in the lineup: Posey or Bowker?"
Sophie’s Choice: McCoven Edition!
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Huff in LF is not likely to make much difference
Any logic behind this? We’re replacing a good fielder with a bad fielder. Why wouldn’t it make much difference?
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I think he means Huff vs. Posey, rather than Huff vs. Torres/Schierholtz.
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Because . . .
. . . it normally takes a long while before even major differences show up.
We forget what a wonderfully sensitive game baseball is, and the niceness of the measurements we use in it. For example, the difference between a .260 hitter and a .300 hitter (if both are everyday players) is about a hit a week. For a really bad LF (and I’m not at all sure Huff falls into that category) to make a measureable difference would likely take many games. Yes, he could seriously, even comically, muff the first ball hit to him (though he looked OK last time out), but he’s no Chris Smith out there, so I doubt it.
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For a really bad LF (and I’m not at all sure Huff falls into that category)
He’s hardly played any LF, but in RF, he has a career UZR/150 of -32. -29 as an outfielder overall.
Adam Dunn: -18 in RF, -34 overall in the OF.
And most of Huff’s time in the outfield came in 2003 and 2005, when he was 26 and 28. He’s 33 now.
Yeah, he’s pretty bad.
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wait, I fucked that up
I was looking at TZ by mistake, not UZR/150.
Dunn: -52.6 in RF, -52.6 (wow!), -13.3 overall.
Huff: -13.8 in RF, -11.6 overall
Still pretty bad.
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Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
And now I fucked up by typing -52.6 twice. Oops.
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Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
It was for emphasis.
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SSS ALERT
Dunn has only played about 87 games’ worth of innings in RF. That’s why the numbers are so wacky.
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I don’t know where you’re getting your numbers…
According to Fangraphs, Huff is a career -13.8 UZR/150 in RF, -11.6 overall in the OF, and even that number is misleading because his 2006 numbers are very SSS (only about 25 games worth), and severely drag down his overall numbers.
Look, I’m not going to argue that his Ichiro out there, but he’s not a -12 like Adam Dunn. He’s more like a -5, which was his rating in 2005 when he got the most playing time there.
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(And now I see your reply above after posting this, so you don’t need to tell me where you got your numbers.)
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I believe the difference between Huff and Scheirholtz in LF is probably something like 10 runs over a full seasons, possibly more. For Posey to improve the team, he needs to add more than 10 runs per season with his bat. So he doesn’t just need to outhit Schierholtz, he needs to outhit him by over 10 runs per season (or 20 points of wOBA). Not a huge difference but still an important one.
The real comparison, though, is Molina vs. Schierholtz. Schierholtz is probably at least 10 runs with the bat (this is assuming Molina sustains his current pace, and Nate has a .330 wOBA – halfway between his projections/current line and his career line), and 5 runs with baserunning. Add the 10 runs on defense between him and Huff, and you got 25 runs over a full season, or about 15 over what’s left of this season.
That’s halfway between a win and two wins. Pretty significant for a team in a tight playoff race. Plus it helps the future by giving Posey time at C, and giving the Giants a better look at Schierholtz. It might help catcher defense too, though I’m not sure.
I was promised lasagna.
Posey vs. Bowker isn’t really the choice here. If they’re calling up Posey, the choice is Molina vs. Schnierholtz.
Once they make DeRosa come of the DL, the choice could become Bengie vs. Torres.
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And people continue to overlook the “Schierholtz is probably hurt” bit.
HEY GAYS, NATE IS PROBABLY HURT. ODDS ARE THAT HE WASN’T GOING TO PLAY TODAY.
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I come back from vacation to this?
LOL US.
Giants making good moves, but for the wrong reasons, and still managing to screw them up.
Molina’s march to .200 continues.
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Rowand and Molina
The .200 man march?
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Molina Marches toward Mendoza Line?
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Loldoza line
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BORK'D
Buster Posey call-up could be short term, Bochy acknowledges
also some interesting points in there as to how Posey would be integrated, and that it won’t affect Molina at all.
via baggs
and this
Finally, I asked Bochy why he selected Nate Schierholtz to sit rather than give struggling Aaron Rowand a day. Bochy said there’s a good chance Rowand will be out of tomorrow’s lineup, and it’ll be a daily decision after that.
As for tonight, Bochy liked a couple of Rowand’s swings last night, especially a deeply hit sacrifice fly.
Maybe I was watching a different game?
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by Giant among Angels on May 29, 2010 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
As for tonight, Bochy liked a couple of Rowand’s swings last night, especially a deeply hit sacrifice fly.
Bochy continued to describe the flyball as though it was “dancing for him” and reminded him that there is beauty in the every day activities of life.
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Bochy added that Rowand looked particularly light on his feet during pre-game stretching, and was “showed good balance” while brushing his teeth.
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by Josh from Hollywood on May 29, 2010 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Bochy ended by saying that Rowand gets in and out of his car with the elan of a batting champion.
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by Sabean's_Folly on May 29, 2010 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
After 200 or so swings, Bochy found 2 swings he liked.
So as long as Rowand can keep getting a couple of good swings every 20 games, he gets to keep his job.
I wonder why Baggs doesn’t follow up that question with another one asking how does the same logic apply to Schierholtz and Bowker? Oh, that’s right. He already knows the answer and doesn’t want to get booted out of the room.
Same day, different softball.
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did you hear Kuiper in the pregame last night?
Tom asked him what the heck is going on when the guy looks so terrible on sliders low and away time and time again. Duane dodged the question, but pointed out that Aaron really believes he’s doing fine and just getting beat by bad luck.
I can honestly that I don’t think I’ve seen people look that consistently bad against one pitch since Pedro Serrano couldn’t hit a curveball in “Major League”.
In my (often faulty) memory, I don’t even recall Feliz looking as bad as Rowand on pitches low and away.
There was a time when Matt Williams looked even worse on the low and away slider
WHY IS BENGIE?!
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 29, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Jeff Kent’s weakness was the low and away slider, but when he was going good, he was disciplined enough to lay off the pitch. Um. That’s the difference, I guess.
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mark reynolds is the master at looking terrible on down and outside sliders, but rowand takes it to a level even vlad Guerrero and pablo are impressed by.
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it is impressive. i'm not even angry.
does anyone have that pic that was floating around of Aaron missing that Carlos Marmol slider last year?
I could use a laugh.
Like I said, Bochy doesn’t want to bench Molina and Rowand on the same day. That said, I don’t see Posey catching a game until maybe Cain’s next start, since you want familiarity for Todd “Gas Can” Wellemeyer, and Posey surely can’t be ready to catch Timmy or Barry’s stuff.
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Buster will never be ready to catch Tim or Barry.
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Maybe Nate did hurt the shoulder last night and they don’t want to advertise that fact…
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 29, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
and that it won’t affect Molina at all.
Of course it won’t.
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 29, 2010 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Get the extinguisher
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by Giant among Angels on May 29, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
If a butterfly flaps its wings in China is there a tidal wave in Molina’s gut?
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he's usually polar opposite in speech/action
so i hope this means that Buster is here for good, and will be catching tomorrow.
Baggarly also pointed out that with Downs unavailable for recall (10-day rule), it was going to be Posey or Velez. I suspect that Ishikawa will get the DF-axe when DeRosa or Renteria comes off the DL, whichever comes first, (Vegas probably has a betting line going on that one) but I can totally see Posey not being around for the long term.
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I'd much rather this being the case
and send him down so everyone can play their normal position. If he’s coming up here, please let him catch.
I really really really hate to say this, but if the only way to convince Bochy and Sabean to replace Molina with Bochy behind the plate is for Molina to suffer a severe injury, then I won’t necessarily be upset if that happens.
I don’t hate Molina, I hate Sabean and Bochy for putting me in this situation to wish injury on Molina. Fuck you, Brian Sabean. Fuck you, Bruce Bochy.
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with Posey behind the plate. not Bochy. :O
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Molina gets injured, Sabean brings Bochy out of retirement to be player-manager because of the experience he brings to the table.
LOL!
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by Sabean's_Folly on May 29, 2010 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup
I say this over and over but it’s the same thing I was rooting for in 07 with Dilfer. If that injury had happened a few games earlier that team might have just been “meh” instead of historically awful on offense
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Face it:
Until surgery excises the Molina tumor, there’s little value to Posey being here. He can’t play SS or 2B, and at other positions he’s just not that likely to be a season-changing improvement.
Mind, if Molina were ever disposed of in some way, I for one would like to see Posey start off slow, maybe 50% catching, while Whiteside (who really does know how to catch) helps him grow—but that’s a whole other discussion.
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“He can’t play SS”
I know he played multiple positions, but isn’t this where he played most of his college career before settling behind the plate at the end?
Anyone have his numbers/reputation as a SS at FSU? (/lazy)
Can’t really say that he’d be MLB ready to play a middle INF position. Doesn’t really matter what he did at FSU. THat was years ago.
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by Giant among Angels on May 29, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I mean, it’s like riding a bicycle. He’s not going to unlearn how to play shortstop, and probably has the physical tools to do so, though possibly only at the college level and not in the majors. But if he’s not getting regular reps there, you really don’t want to try in unless it’s the 23rd inning or something, in which case Posey will probably have already pitched at that point.
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It’s more like riding a bycicle in a freestyle competition, and you don’t just drop it for years at a time and come back at full tilt.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 29, 2010 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Which is what I said.
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of course
many many players play SS in their youth, since they are likely the best athletes on their teams.
IIRC, Posey did play his first full season at SS at FSU.
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he played all 8 (or 9?) positions in one game in college. Probably wouldn’t suck very bad in at least some of them.
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9.
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by walkoff baltimore chop on May 29, 2010 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
He was originally a SS at FSU, but he switched to Catcher as a sophomore.
Bengie Molina was a college shortstop, too. Pat Burrell played third base. It doesn’t mean you can play there in the majors.
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lol, this reminded me
Bochy inserting Randy Winn at third base when Feliz was moved to catcher.
i know it’s different, that was an emergency situation caused by Bork. But still, i remember Bochy saying that was the move he made because he remembered Randy Winn had played some third base in college.
this
LOL BOCHY
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
wasn't posey a closer for a bit too?
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Yes. Thus my lame joke about him pitching a 23-inning game.
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Guh. Pitching in a 23-inning game.
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careful
with typos like that you might give the fucking morons in charge some ideas
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Don't worry, those fuckwits don't read ANYTHING
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by Sabean's_Folly on May 29, 2010 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m really fine with Old Man Whiteside being Buster’s mentor over Molina. I know we like to make jokes about him being Sanchez’s personal catcher, and how he catches no-hitters, but he’s really a good catcher who’s got the misfortune of being a poor hitter, and I would argue that Sanchez is probably the hardest guy to catch on the whole team. Heck, I wouldn’t want Bengie behind the plate for him at this point, between Sanchez’s movement and somewhat unpredictable control.
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I think it'd be cool if Buster went all Zobrist/Jose Oquendo.
But only for a season.
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I’m just praying B&S don’t retard posey.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
retard! The controller! Retard! Retard! Retard the controller!
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Gabe Gross just made a ridiculous catch in LF against Detroit. Reached over the wall to take a HR away.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 29, 2010 4:47 PM PDT reply actions
I saw that. Amazing.
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wow that was a INCREDIBLE CATCH. God damn that was sick, the perfect jump with great arm extension. The coolest part is he commandingly made that catch and didnt barely make it, damn that was sick. I didn’t hear glen kuiper’s call but I imagine it contained joe buck intensity per usual.
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+1! Fuck yeah!
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Man my starting rotation this week has been killer.
Capenter, Cain, Cueto, Hudson and Anderson.
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pfft
Carpenter too.
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oof
that’s why I hate H2H leagues. whoever’s playing you is scarewwwed
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I got
Jaime Garcia, brett cecil, and cj wilson off waivers in a 14 team league that doesn’t count ERA.
Looking really good so far, just made some other unfortunate acquisitions (beckett, harden) that haven’t turned out so well
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Actually, its jponry
and in the pitching categories, I am only winning ERA and WHIP. She is beating me in K’s and Saves, and we are tied in Wins.
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wow
wasn’t her team supposed to suck?
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I think she was autodrafted
then had to make a bunch of changes. She is still stuck with SIRM, though.
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Not a bad starting rotation
Kevin Slowey, Billingsley, Edwin Jackson, Ben Sheets, Andy Pettitte
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yeah, I remember the pitching not being as bad as I thought it would be
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LOL Ordonez just caught a ball in RF while falling down after bumping into the wall
WHY IS BENGIE?!
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 29, 2010 4:55 PM PDT reply actions
Barely knicked the wall. I laughed at him.
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Carlos Silva is 7-0? What the fuck!
He is responsible for a third of the Cubs wins (he had one ND that was quality).
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don't worry
Posey will be back in the minors in no time!
Half of DeRosa + Half of Renteria > Posey
YAY!
Dammit, Why do I have to root for Aaron Cook today?
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Because it’s easier than rooting for Jimenez or Francis.
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Oh shit, I just saw the replay of Huff taking the line drive off his head.
Fuck.
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That’s DAVID Huff, guys. Indians pitcher.
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Man, we really are a bunch of negetive schmucks
The bright side: they probably won’t do it all year. Posey will have to move to C at some point (right? RIGHT?!).
That will be awesome.
I was promised lasagna.
Can you seriously fucking blame us?!
Our team does shit like bring up one of the best catching prospects in years to PLAY HIM AT FIRST BASE instead of replacing the current catcher who is terrible.
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Try to imagine the most fucked up lineup scenarios. The kind that come out of coked up, brain damaged meth heads. Let your imaginaton go wild. And THAT is what goes on in the mind of Sabochean.
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by Sabean's_Folly on May 29, 2010 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions
JASON HEYWARD, MFERS
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…What about us?
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Him. What about him. I cannot read and type at the same time.
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another HR
dude has been a fucking beast in pretty much any fantasy format this year, and I have him in 4 of my 5 leagues
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Ah. My Fangraphs WPA page stopped updating, for whatever reason.
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seriously
dude has 10 HRs now, 29 walks, and before tonight was hitting .295/.422/.568. Almost .130 between BA and OBP! And he’s a rookie!!! Insane
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I'll trade you Velez for Heyward, straight up! Velez goes vrooooooooom! Heywood makes no car noises as far as I can tell.
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by Sabean's_Folly on May 29, 2010 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL Baggs
Bochy and Molina met for awhile today, but not to discuss Posey’s call-up. They went over Molina’s swing and compared tape from last year. They noticed Molina had been closing himself off and he’s going to try to make some mechanical changes during batting practice today.
As for the Posey move, Bochy said, "This doesn’t affect Bengie in any way."
Serious question: Would Bochy have sat down Molina to discuss flaws in his hitting mechanics if Posey HADN’T been called up today?
Giants Baseball: TORTURE
i hate this team
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I'm with you, brother.
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by Sabean's_Folly on May 29, 2010 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions
No,
But they would have sat down to a delicious meal.
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And the sixth-placeNew York Giants' first baseman in 1956 . . .
. . . with 516 AB’s, a BA of .256, and a whopping 59 RBI’s was . . .
. . . Bill White. Yes, that Bill White who went on the stardom with the Cardinals.
His 59 RBI’s were 2nd on this lamentable offensive team. Maybe their league-worst offense was what drove them from New York. Mays led the team with 84 RBI’s, and the team itself was by far the worst offense in either league.
By far. Opponents just pitched around Mays, who managed to hit 36 homers anyway. For the year, the ’56 Giants averaged just 3.5 runs per game (540 total runs), 50 fewer than the next worst team and 240 fewer than the Cincinnati Reds, the best offense in MLB. This, after winning the World Series in a romp just two years earlier.
Even the Giants of this year average 4.06 runs per game. The ‘56 version had three starters (400+ AB’s) with a BA under .230.
But let’s talk catchers, since that’s the buzz of the moment. The Giants of ‘55-’57 simply didn’t have one. Really, they had like half of one each year. In ‘55 Ray Katt his .215, in ’56 Bill Sarni hit .230, and in ’57 Valny (!!) Thomas hit .249 in 88 games, the most he would ever play in the majors. What a sad, sad display. I’m a big time old fan, and I’d never heard of any of them. With three other players also hitting under .250, I wonder where they hit in the lineup. No wonder they had A’s-like crowds at the Polo Ground.
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