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minor lines, 5/24/10

Highlights from the Giants' farm: Buster Posey had four hits, Juan Perez reached base in all five plate appearances, and Thomas Neal homered as one of his two hits.

Star-divide

AAA: Fresno lost Memphis 8-1
(allowing all eight runs in the first two innings)

Fresno: C Buster Posey: 4 for 4, 2B
Memphis: LF Allen Craig: 2 for 5, HR, SO

Fresno: SP Eric Hacker: 4.0 IP, 11 H, 8 R, 8 ER, 2 BB, 4 K--2 HR
Fresno: RP Henry Sosa: 3.0 IP, 3 BB, 3 K
Fresno: RP Osiris Matos: 1.0 IP
Fresno: RP Joe Paterson: 1.0 IP, 1 H, 1 BB, 2 K
Memphis: SP Adam Ottavino: 5.0 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 4 BB, 2 K--2 WP

After a fairly extended streak with no multi-hit games, Posey had a hit in all four plate appearances, raising his AVG to .344.  Craig, who made the Cardinals' opening day roster but has spent most of the season in the minors, had his 2nd HR.

Hacker, who had not allowed more than 3 ER in any start previously this season, had easily his least effective start of the year, ballooning his ERA from 2.20 to 3.49.  Sosa pitched three scoreless innings in long relief, lowering his ERA to 1.38.  Matos and Paterson each pitched a scoreless inning, with Paterson returning to the PCL after three weeks in the Cal League.  Ottavino, the Cardinals' first round pick four year ago, had his second straight start with just 1 ER allowed, but his ERA does remain above 4.00.

AA: Richmond defeated Binghamton 3-2

Richmond: SS Brandon Crawford: 1 for 4, HR, 2 SO
Richmond: LF Thomas Neal: 2 for 4, HR

Richmond: SP David Mixon: 5.2 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 3 BB, 4 K--1 HB, 1 PO

Crawford and Neal, perhaps the top two prospects on the Flying Squirrels' roster, had their 5th and 3rd HRs, respectively.

Mixon bounced back from his previous start (6 ER in 4.0 IP) with a near quality start.  He had a 9/1 GO/FO line.  Although the 3 BB were a new season high, his K/BB ratio remains nearly 3.50.

A+: San Jose defeated Modesto 4-2

San Jose: RF Juan Perez: 3 for 3, 2 BB, 2 SB
Modesto: CF Tim Wheeler: 3 for 4, 2B, SO, SB

San Jose: SP Justin Fitzgerald: 7.0 IP, 7 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 5 K--1 WP
San Jose: RP Brian Anderson: 2.0 IP, 1 BB, 2 K--1 WP
Modesto: RP Rex Brothers: 1.0 IP, 2 H

Perez had three of the Giants' fourteen hits and both of their walks as he reached base in all five plate appearances, further improving upon the .383 OBP with which he entered the day.  Wheeler, whom the Rockies drafted 32nd overall a year ago, had three of the Nuts' seven hits, raising his AVG to .273.  Both Perez and Wheeler now have 8 SB.

Fitzgerald matched his longest start of the year with 7.0 IP.  He has pitched at least six innings in each of his last five starts.  The couple earned runs did nudge his ERA upwards to an even 2.00.  Anderson had 2.0 scoreless IP in his fifth appearance.  Brothers, the 34th overall selection a year ago, struck out two of the three batters he faced.  In his first full pro season, he now has 11 H, 10 BB, and 22 K in 21.1 IP.

A-: Augusta lost to Rome 3-1

Augusta: 1B Luke Anders: 1 for 4, 2B, SO
Augusta: LF Nick Liles: 1 for 4, 2B, 2 SO, SB

Augusta: SP Kyle Vazquez: 7.0 IP, 7 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 3 K
Rome: SP Brett DeVall: 6.0 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 3 K

Liles' 9th double and Anders' 14th double were the GreenJackets' only two hits.

In his eighth start, Vazquez had his third straight quality start despite allowing a season-high 7 H.  Still, his BAA remains just .222, and his ERA just 2.61.  Devall, whom the Braves drafted 40th overall two years ago but was limited to just ten starts a year ago, made just his fourth start this year, which was definitely his most effective start of the year.

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by capn on May 24, 2010 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Needs to work on his RBIs.

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by victor frankenstein on May 25, 2010 5:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

/wears mitt on head

uses mask to catch ball

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by natteringnabob on May 25, 2010 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

look how many runs he made Hacker allow! Jeez. Of course, he’s not ready!

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by nostocksjustbonds on May 25, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

So he hits when he's a catcher-but struggles when he plays 1B

Screw SSS-I hope the Giants believe these results

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by Gobroks on May 24, 2010 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

he's probably asleep during those games

he is RESTING there, you know.

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by natteringnabob on May 25, 2010 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

On the verge of a promotion to AA.

Somewhere in the minor leagues, Joe Paterson is pitching.

by imovermyhead on May 24, 2010 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

would be interesting to see how he handles The MeatGrinder

by wilriv21 on May 25, 2010 5:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Can you get that on whole wheat?

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by victor frankenstein on May 25, 2010 5:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

RBI's?

Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all

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by baetown415 on May 25, 2010 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

rbi.exe not found

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by victor frankenstein on May 25, 2010 5:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thomas’s SLG is inching back up toward .400!!

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by jponry on May 24, 2010 10:38 PM PDT reply actions  

He’s getting real.

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by Natto on May 24, 2010 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

He just might be real

01.19.2010
r.i.p. buster posey

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by sanfrankid on May 25, 2010 12:03 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Wheeler is realer

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by delorean on May 25, 2010 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

LOL Hacker

That’s how you pitch your way out of a promotion.

Also, JC Perez seems to be doing well. Hopefully he’s not just a product of the Cal league

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by Gobroks on May 24, 2010 11:05 PM PDT reply actions  

that’s kind of sad. at least if you are going to have a game like that you’d want it to come in the majors (and preferably in Coors Field in the mid-90’s against the ’27 Yankees)

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by capn on May 25, 2010 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can guarantee Juan Perez is the real deal

What? What’s that? BABIP? What the fuck is that? Suck a bag of dicks.

by marcello on May 25, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nerd stats

Not important AMIRITE?

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by Gobroks on May 25, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

improved walk and k rates mean something

by zeisenbe on May 25, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was mostly joking, as I'm a fan

But the BABIP is actually a red flag. If that drops ~100 points (not sure what his xBABIP would be, but that seems like a safe approximate), his line is going to look a lot different and nowhere near as impressive.

by marcello on May 25, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

true

I don’t think anyone thinks he can sustain a 1.000 OPS but he does have a great iso and has significantly improved his k/w ratio these last couple weeks. i obviously don’t think he’s going to sustain a .400 OBP but I think he will improve significantly from last year. plus, include the fact that he has speed and is a good defender (from what I heard) in the OF and we might have a legit prospect.

by zeisenbe on May 25, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah Joey!

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by Speedforthewin on May 25, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brock Bond went 0-2, with 3BB
If only he had SOME semblance of power or speed.

by superk1ng on May 24, 2010 11:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Man, if he plays decent defense I’d consider him for a leadoff spot on this team. Hell, we all wanted Nick Johnson’s .400 OBP at first base; I’ll take the power drop to push it to 2B. It’s not like we’ve got any other serious options.

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by quincy0191 on May 24, 2010 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

he has so little power, I don't have much hope for him

If all you ever do is slap singles, major-league pitchers will stop walking you.

Well, non-Giants pitchers. Our team will issue you four straight balls.

by wcw on May 25, 2010 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Brian Bocock says "He's right, you know."

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by EliminateMe on May 25, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

a guy who can slap 2-out RBI singles

would have been very useful on that road trip

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by hokysmksbw on May 25, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know this is conventional wisdom, but on the other hand: Brett Butler. Ozzie Smith. Luis Castillo. David Eckstein.

Granted, Brock Bond has even less power than these guys. Brock Bond has as little power as anyone who has ever played in the majors.nBut still: pitchers have trouble throwing strikes. If you can foul off pitches, you can work a lot of walks.

by Evan on May 25, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bond, reportedly, plays significantly crappier defense than any of those guys, though. Most of those guys at least started out as decent shortstops.

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by rotorueter on May 25, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seems like reports on his defense have been better lately. But yeah, it’s very unlikely he’ll ever get the chance to play regularly, so we’ll never know what sort of OBP he could put up.

by Evan on May 25, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

it’d still probably be better than most of the current team.

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by nostocksjustbonds on May 25, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn’t think it was possible to have less power than Luis Castillo.

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by thehavenot on May 25, 2010 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brandon Crawford is having a nice May so far: .289/.404/.474. Oh please please please please be real.

by Dan from NM on May 24, 2010 11:19 PM PDT reply actions  

his overall line is looking pretty nice at .360/.420ish

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by jponry on May 24, 2010 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

almost like Edgar…

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by capn on May 25, 2010 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

and

Crawford will cost 400K for that production his first few years, not $9 mil

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by jponry on May 25, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, but he lacks major league experience.

Ask me about my blog.

by xanthan on May 25, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

and he does not move like he has all of his cartillage disolved in hydrochloric acid

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by capn on May 25, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

So yesterday steve commented on Posey’s lack of multi-hit games, and today he goes 4 for 4. Hey steve, got anything to say about Neal’s power, Bumgarner’s K rate and velocity, Brandon Crawford in general, Villalona’s legal status, or Wheeler? Because I’d be glad to hear about it.

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by quincy0191 on May 24, 2010 11:25 PM PDT reply actions  

steve s's minor lines

Magic Inside

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by baetown415 on May 25, 2010 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

With great power ...

comes great responsibility.

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by daveinexile on May 25, 2010 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think for me the most memorable moment along these lines was sitting in the stands at a Cal League game several years ago remarking to the person next to me that Steve Holm could stick around the organization for a long time as a good organization soldier, although perhaps never a prospect. Whack—the next pitch easily clears the LF fence. A few innings later, Holm comes to the plate again. I remark something like, “Should I say again that Holm is just an organization soldier?” Whack—next pitch sails over the LF fence. I’m glad he proved me wrong and got an appreciable stint in the majors.

by steve S on May 25, 2010 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

2 BBs is like 2 week’s worth for JC! It’s hard to argue that he should be taking more walks when he’s making such consistently solid contact so far this year.

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by Fla-Giant on May 25, 2010 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

The organization now has a new role for JCP. He is now batting leadoff for San Joser so we should see a new game from JCP. More walks and steals for the new table setter. He also had an assist.

by wilriv21 on May 25, 2010 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I like him better at leadoff – and in CF (didn’t they have him playing a lot of games at 2B last year?).

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by Fla-Giant on May 25, 2010 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Perez is the new Velez!

VROOOOOM!

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by EliminateMe on May 25, 2010 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like him at CF as well

but not at the expense of Peguero

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by Gobroks on May 25, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

As someone who's followed him pretty closely for the last year plus

He seems to go on walk tears. Maybe everyone does, I’ve just noticed it with him. 5 in the last week!

by marcello on May 25, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

So...

Martinez it is, then.

WHY IS BENGIE?!
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 25, 2010 7:35 AM PDT reply actions  

I hope so

his numbers have been looking pretty good, especially the GB%

by wcw on May 25, 2010 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Crawford

I’m encouraged by Crawford’s rebound after his scary dip towards to the Mendoza line a few weeks ago. Also, his HR was to left field, which means he’s not trying to pull everything over the RF fence like like year at Dodd. HIs K rate at AA is still way too high (21.6%), but it’s down from last year (24%), and his BB rate is way up over last year: 14% vs. 4.8%. I think he’ll be fine as soon as he stops seeing himself as a HR hitter (thanks to his brief display in SJ last year), and starts just trying to get on base.

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by Fla-Giant on May 25, 2010 7:57 AM PDT reply actions  

he is very streaky. Right now he is riding a wave.

by wilriv21 on May 25, 2010 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but last year when he started going bad in AA, he had only that one downward streak the rest of the year. He admitted in an interview during the AZ Fall League that he had gotten into the bad habit of trying to yank every pitch he swung at over the RF fence due to his power surge at SJ.

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by Fla-Giant on May 25, 2010 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Tommy Joseph

Let me be the first to predict that Tommy Boy will be packing his bags and takng up residence in Salem, Oregon sometime in the next 3 weeks. He’s obviously overmatched in the SAL, so let’s give him some time to rebuild his confidence in the NWL. It’s not like there’s another high-profiel C he’ll be replacing there, and the move will allow H. Sanchez to start full time in Augusta.

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by Fla-Giant on May 25, 2010 8:01 AM PDT reply actions  

AAA would be good for his confidence, but they have a catcher there who might be there for quite a while…

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by capn on May 25, 2010 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

No way. Just promote Posey to AA so he can face some real pitching.

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by tedfordfan on May 25, 2010 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

I forgot about that…

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by capn on May 25, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

One thing you have to love about Tommy Boy is that he times his hits well. He’s averaging close to 1 RBI for every hit he has. If he can just keep that up throughout his career he’ll be a 100+ RBI man every year. Come to think of it, maybe that’s the problem. If he just had better hitters in front of him he’d have RISP more often and his avg. would be way up. ;-)

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by Fla-Giant on May 25, 2010 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

He knows where the money lies.

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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on May 25, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rex Brothers

Am I the only one that’s amazed that the LOLRox have aready moved Rex Brothers to the pen? The dude was a highly-touted 1st round pick less than a year ago, after a very good career as a SP in college. Even if you’re 100% dead set on him being your closer someday in the big leagues, you still have to have him start games and work on his full repertoire of pitches at this point in his career. Besides, he may surprise you and turn out to be a quality starter, which is more valuable than a closer. You can always move him to the pen later.

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by Fla-Giant on May 25, 2010 8:07 AM PDT reply actions  

Maybe there is an injury?

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by say hey nation on May 25, 2010 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, he didn’t start any games last year either.

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by say hey nation on May 25, 2010 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, I looked. They started him out in the pen as (pitching around 1 inning per game) in the 2 months that he pitched in the NWL and SAL last year aftter signing quickly. He had no history of arm troubles in college, that’s why he was drafted so high out of such a no-name, small school.

Here’s what MLB.com wrote about him last year:
“There’s some effort to his delivery, but he can maintain velocity deep into starts.” And that was when he was sitting at 92-94 mph – often touching 96. And he already had an above-average slider, so all he needed was to add a slow 3rd pitch liek a changeup and he should have been a top SP prospect.

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by Fla-Giant on May 25, 2010 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

No they drafted him as a reliever

They wanted to “fast track” him to the bigs. IMO if he’s going to close, he should be in Tulsa (Rockies AA team)

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by Gobroks on May 25, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

every time I read that name I think there are two brothers

by wilriv21 on May 25, 2010 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

It took me awhile to realize it was one person

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by say hey nation on May 25, 2010 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sounds like a carnival.

.277/.399/.518 out of a shortstop?!

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by ryanmiles on May 25, 2010 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hahaha

I didn’t realize it either. I kept wishing the word “the” was in the first sentence.

by marcello on May 25, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Posey’s MLE: .293 / .366 / .437
Molina: .294 / .466 / .378

I’m sure glad we’re paying Bengie millions of dollars this year!

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by jcb9 on May 25, 2010 8:45 AM PDT reply actions  

DAMMIT

Molina: .294 / .366 / .378

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by jcb9 on May 25, 2010 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bah! who needs SLG?

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by daveinexile on May 25, 2010 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

good to see Bengie’s OBP trending hard toward his career .306 average!

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by capn on May 25, 2010 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I believe May 15th was about the time Bengie started sucking last year. This year since May 13th he’s hitting:

.156/.206/.156

The Giants don’t fare well against pitchers.

by SF Pete on May 25, 2010 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

and yes, I realize it’s only 10 games.

The Giants don’t fare well against pitchers.

by SF Pete on May 25, 2010 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

His OPS peaked at .908 on May 7

With a line of .310 / .308 (LOL) / .600.

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by jcb9 on May 25, 2010 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

When you are fat, you get tired

Here is Bengie’s OPS over the course of each of the past 4 seasons with the trend of the average in black. I think it speaks for itself.

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by capn on May 25, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

For what it's worth

Bochy is actually resting Molina more this year. Through 43 games he’s started 31 behind the plate; last year he started 37 of the first 43. Whether he holds up any better remains to be seen…

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by EliminateMe on May 25, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

it does not seem to make any difference

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by capn on May 25, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s really too early to say that, though.

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by EliminateMe on May 25, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

formally yes, but if you look at his performance over the course of his later career, there is always a drop toward the end of the season and now he is 35 and fatter.

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by capn on May 25, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not really

I just looked at his splits from the last several seasons and in most of them his second half performance is equal to or better than his first half. He often drops off in June/July but then does really well in August.

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by EliminateMe on May 25, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

We discussed this not too long ago and it seemed that last year he hit sub-neifi for 3 months in the middle of the season then picked it up at the end.

The Giants don’t fare well against pitchers.

by SF Pete on May 25, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just look at the chart I posted above. I am not sure what splits you are looking at, but his OPS is consisently highest in April, May, June and then goes down from there…

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by capn on May 25, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can't read the X axis on your graph

But even from that, it’s clear that he does better at the end of the season then in the middle. A linear trend over the whole season is still downward because it’s influenced by hot starts and the very strong dropoffs from May to July or thereabouts. If you did a linear trend from June through September I believe it would be positive.

This is obviously a very crude measurement, but his first half/second half OPS for 2007-2009 looks like:

2007: .723/.741
2008: .726/.827
2009: .708/.754

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by EliminateMe on May 25, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's what is so frustrating.

He’s clearly getting more rest but it sounds from all accounts that he “looks tired.” And if he looks tired in the beginning of the season, when there have been so many off-days and Whiteside catches every fifth day, then I’m wondering if he’s going to “look dead” by the beginning of August, after the schedule gets much hairier.

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by Giant Fan in Singapore on May 25, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

To be fair, Molina really hasn’t been the issue this year – he’s doing fine – it’s most of the other hitters that are sucking. If Posey had already been called up he’d be palying a lot of games at positions other than C.

As for the money, it’s really a push. If Posey had been up in SF anytime this year before the middle of June, he’d almost assuredly be a “Super 2” at the end of the 2011 season. In that case we’d end up owing him about $10M more in salary over and above what he would be making as a non-eligible for arb player. That’s about $3M more than what Molina is costing us this year.

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by Fla-Giant on May 25, 2010 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I doubt Posey’s first year arb award would be larger than the 6 million dollars the Giants are paying Molina; super 2 or not.

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by Lars The Wanderer on May 25, 2010 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Not with Sabean arguing the case.

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by say hey nation on May 25, 2010 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

/Posey’s agent files for 6 million
//Sabean files for 7 million

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by Gobroks on May 25, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

And if not for his useless promotion last year, we could call him up in like a week without that risk.

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by jcb9 on May 25, 2010 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

rec'd

although you forgot the corollary: any money saved will just be available for extending Renteria’s contract. At least with Posey I know where the money is going.

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by natteringnabob on May 25, 2010 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

IAWTC

Added: People think of super-2 as some kind of anathema. We should be so lucky as to have a position player who is even in the discussion

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by capn on May 25, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Its not the first year that is the concern...

Its the fourth year. He is likely to get something like 5 mil in his first year of arbitration, either as a super two or a normal 3. however normal progression
super two:.5, .5, 5, 8, 12, 15
Normal: .5, .5, .5, 5, 8, 12
So based on this model it would cost the giants 14.5 million in future salary.

by OmahaGiants on May 25, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

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by capn on May 25, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Molina has been the issue

every time he’s dropped a third strike, or watched a runner go to second, or done a torero-catch of a bad pitch.

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by natteringnabob on May 25, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

I've seen Molina look really bad several times when crossed up.

I have yet to hear the announcers call him on it, though. Is he really worse this year or did I just catch a few unfortunate incidents?

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by EliminateMe on May 25, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

BUT THE 1 EXTRA HIT IN 100 AB’S IS BETTER THAN THE WALK!

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by say hey nation on May 25, 2010 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

ahem

1 extra hit in 1000 ABs

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by Viliphied on May 25, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Aurilia, Urban, and all non-nerds agree
… And finally, a quick word about Buster Posey, whose bring-him-up-to-the-bigs bandwagon we’ve been on since spring: He’s in a bit of a slump at Triple-A right now, and given the pressure he’ll face as the perceived savior of the Giants’ offense when he does arrive, this might not be the best time for a promotion. Let the big boys snap out of it first.

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Rich said almost exactly the same thing on Chronicle Live last night. Which is almost exactly what I argued in Sunday’s game thread.

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by hokysmksbw on May 25, 2010 12:57 PM PDT reply actions  

4 for 4 with a double!

SLUMP!

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by Lars The Wanderer on May 25, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

.323 in his last 10 games

some slump

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by jponry on May 25, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mychael laughs at your facts

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by xanthan on May 25, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

he isn’t hitting for power at this moment in time, but i’ll take a .400+ OBP out of my catcher any day

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by jponry on May 25, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

And no one really expects him to be a power hitting catcher. Well, they shouldn’t be expecting that anyway. That isn’t his game.

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by Lars The Wanderer on May 25, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think that ultimately, he probably can be a guy who hits 15-20 homers and 30-40+ doubles if he were ever allowed to play enough.

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by nostocksjustbonds on May 25, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, his SLG is under .400 (in the past ten games) – I think most of us would expect better than that.

But he’s slugging over .500 on the season, so who even cares?

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by jponry on May 25, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just feel like some tempering of expectations is in order

It is only in that regard that I agree with butthairs like Urban. Buster is going to be a very good hitter at the major league level. However, he isn’t going to be a Piazza type. Sometimes, I get the feeling that all the hype surrounding the kid is just setting up people for disappointment. I can just see the SFGaters and Baggs-posters with the ROMGZ POSEY IS A BUST comments when he doesn’t hit 40 jacks (lol Jax!) in a season.

This coupled with Posey’s tendency to suffer a brief “adjustment period” when he is promoted a level makes me think that he might feel some pressure upon being called up to the big club.

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by Lars The Wanderer on May 25, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

But of course the expectations are high. This team just scored one run in 5 games. The expectations would be high for just about anyone who is not currently on the roster.

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by capn on May 25, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

People should be expecting the right thing. The Giants lack of offense isn’t going to be cured by sticking Posey in the middle of the lineup.

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by Lars The Wanderer on May 25, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I won’t speak for anyone else, but I personally look forward to having another hitter in the lineup who might take more than one pitch and can work a count.

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by capn on May 25, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

And that is the type of hitter that Posey projects to be. He is a gap hitter who knows the strike zone.

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by Lars The Wanderer on May 25, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

heh

I can see the rest of the Giants thinking to themselves as they watch him hit, “WTF is he doing?”

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by Lars The Wanderer on May 25, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would bat him Leadoff, but that’s me.

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by Speedforthewin on May 25, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have the same concern.

The Giants don’t fare well against pitchers.

by SF Pete on May 25, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

His MLE (if you’re into that sort of thing) from Fresno pegs him right now as an .800 OPS hitter. That’s pretty close to an All-Star at catcher and would make him 1 of the 4-5 best catchers in baseball.

That’s pretty damned awesome.

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by xanthan on May 25, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just for shits and giggles

This is currently a professional, MLB catcher. And this is a member of The League of Extraordinary Defensive Catchers.

I’m not sure why Posey is the first catcher ever who is required to be perfect in every facet of the game before he gets to the majors, but there it is.

by marcello on May 25, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rob Johnson

Professional Catcher

Or I guess “”http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2009/9/19/1038044/rob-johnson-professional-catcher" >catcher"

Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all

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by baetown415 on May 25, 2010 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

You mean like Fred Lewis?

Belted!

by AndYourBirdCanSing on May 25, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly like Fred Lewis.

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by Lars The Wanderer on May 25, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe Buster needs a real estate agent in Toronto

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by capn on May 25, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s pretty simple. You get moved to a power hitting spot in the lineup and you become a power hitter. Science.

Belted!

by AndYourBirdCanSing on May 25, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

the facts are May 13-23: 0 multi-hit games, 1 XBH, 7 H / 9 K

That is an extended meh slump. He only had 2 hitless games, but the lack of SLG and the H/K ratio were not encouraging.

Buster tonight included has a 4-game hit streak, but last night was the first multi-hit game since May 12.

May 24 was not too exciting under scrutiny:
—Buster Posey singles on a ground ball to third baseman Ruben Gotay.
—Buster Posey singles on a ground ball to shortstop Tyler Greene.
—Buster Posey singles on a line drive to center fielder James Rapoport.
—Buster Posey doubles (12) on a line drive to left fielder Allen Craig.

May 25 was meh:
—Buster Posey walks (with Velez on 2B)
—Buster Posey grounds out, 2B Daniel Descalso to 1B Mark Hamilton.
—Buster Posey singles on a ground ball to left fielder Allen Craig.
—Buster Posey hit by pitch.

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by hokysmksbw on May 25, 2010 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

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by capn on May 25, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, that’s just a giant bag of dumb.

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by rotorueter on May 25, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

You’ve posted this a few times now and it’s been shown every time that he is not in a slump

Belted!

by AndYourBirdCanSing on May 25, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

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