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For the love of everything that is good just let him get the surgery.
I also love the idea that a tendon-flappin’ Mark DeRosa is going to be a panacea for a struggling offense.
If the Giants can get DeRosa back next week and nobody else goes down, Bochy finally will be able to pen what was supposed to be the regular lineup. Then we can get a sense whether the Giants really can score some runs or if this is just going to be 2009 redux, 2008 redux, etc…
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by xanthan on May 24, 2010 11:58 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
LOL at Brian Sabean. The three off season additions (Sanchez counts) have yet to play together 1/4 of the way through the season.
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by say hey nation on May 24, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Sounds to me like someone is making some excuses...
So lemme get this straight…the Giants are making every opposing pitcher look like friggin Cy Young, and that’s all because Bochy hasn’t been able to pencil in the lineup that he’d like to this season?!? I’m sorry, but that’s the biggest horseshit excuse I’ve ever heard.
At my job, I regularly take the crap sandwich that’s been dealt to me, and find a way to make it work. That’s what my boss expects of me, and that’s what I do…because if I don’t do that, or I start making excuses, there’s surely thousands of other people out there that are more than qualified to do my job.
This whole Sabean/Bochy relationship is a marriage made in heaven for the both of them. Bochy can trot out 182 different lineups and tell Sabes that he’s tried everything he can think of, Sabean will pat him on the head, and give him another overpriced paperclip to go stick in that electrical outlet. Sabean then runs to the bosses and says that it’s not his fault that everyone is getting hurt…that’s what happens in sports right?!? Guys get hurt.
THIS JUST IN….last I checked…nobody has a 100% healthy staff of players at their disposal. They can and regularly do find a way to make it work in the meantime. The problem with this organization is that it’s lead by an idiot GM who is hell-bent on giving money to gritty vets who spend more time in the trainers room than on the field.
Having a manager who then thinks that batting the pitcher in the 8 hole is “innovative” and the solution to all of our problems only makes things worse. Keep giving that kid of yours the paperclip Sabean, maybe just once he’ll really do himself in and we’ll get the pleasure of running you both out of town!
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by PacBellBoozer on May 24, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s right, the entire problem with the Giants offense is that they haven’t had both Sanchez and DeRosa in the same lineup. But nobody could have predicted that two players coming off surgery might have to miss games.
Adoptive parent of Kevin Frandsen, now stopping gaps in...Anaheim?
Doesn't this sound a lot like the '05 Giants?
Threat level that the 2010 Pads finish with more wins than the 2010 Giants is currently at: 34%
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by Giant among Angels on May 24, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I kinda feel bad — well, as bad as I can feel for a guy making $6M a year — for DeRosa.
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Yeah...
I sorta feel bad for DeRosa.
Completely ignoring the money..
He really wanted to play and help the team out.
by AmorVincitOmnia on May 24, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
It really makes me like DeRosa instead of meh like before.
by chilibean_3 on May 24, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Threat level that the 2010 Pads finish with more wins than the 2010 Giants is currently at: 34%
Spoiler: Grumpy older Giants fan is Grumpy.
You have to imagine, if DeRosa decided to just get the surgery now, that he would have been thrown under the bus in a hurry by Sabean.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
for all the bitching Sabean does about how players don't want to play at AT&T or in San Francisco
I suspect that THIS is the kind of bullshit that’ll make players not want to play for the Giants. If they keep screwing over players and making them play hurt at their own detriment, why would they want to come here?
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. Because all 50th Round picks go to heaven (or at least extended spring training).
Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
by jcb9 on May 24, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Green it.
Threat level that the 2010 Pads finish with more wins than the 2010 Giants is currently at: 34%
Spoiler: Grumpy older Giants fan is Grumpy.
Are they really fucking stupid!?
Give him the surgery!
It’ll be like the same disaster as Renteria was last season.
How do they not learn from their mistakes?
How do they even make a mistake like that in the first place?
by AmorVincitOmnia on May 24, 2010 12:03 PM PDT reply actions
Answering your (probably) rhetorical questions
They’re dumb. Plus, they’re convinced they’re right, so they refuse to admit their mistakes, which is what putting Derosa on the DL would mean.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on May 24, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Bochy said he understands that Rowand has been very streaky, which might be OK down in the order but not at leadoff, where you need a little more consistency. Bochy has spoken to Rowand about moving down in the order, behind the run producers, if he thinks it will help the offense. It’s a major change that Bochy does not want to make lightly, though from what I’ve heard he was close to doing it earlier in the week before Rowand had a three-hit game.
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by say hey nation on May 24, 2010 12:05 PM PDT reply actions
He’s hot again!
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on May 24, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh bloody murder.
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
by satyricrash on May 24, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
barryforever
Kung Fu Panza is on a pace for 12 HRs, 55 RBI, and off-season stomach stapling!
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by say hey nation on May 24, 2010 12:07 PM PDT reply actions
Count the zeros on the scoreboard
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 24, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Lay bunts down to start each inning
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on May 24, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
HE SUX
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Even a healthy DeRosa wasn’t going to improve the offense. Just let the man have surgery already.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 24, 2010 12:08 PM PDT reply actions
I thought it was:
Braintrust: CALM IT DOWN!
by AmorVincitOmnia on May 24, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
FTFY
Derosa Not Ready byTuesdayEver — Sometime NextWeekNever, at This Rate. I Mean, Good God, Just Let Him Get the Damn Thing Corrected Already. If There Is Any Hope of Him Ever Contributing Under His Current Contract, It’s by Letting Him Get the Surgery Now. It’s Almost Mind-Bogglingly Stupid for the Entire Organization to Not Be Able to Realize This. The Very Logic They Are Working on Seems to Be Threatening to Create a Black Hole in Reality Just by Existing. I Mean, It’s Right on the Edge of Creating a Black Hole and Not Creating a Black Hole. I’m Pretty Sure We’re Still Okay, But if Reality Starts to Seem Like It’s Getting Really Fucked, You Should Bank on the Black Hole Theory. Because, Really, That’s the Only Thing That Would Make Sense. Not That It Would Matter. Because We’d All Be Dead, Anyway. But at Least Brian Sabean and Bruce Bochy Would Be Responsible for Killing Us All. Because I’ve Always Said That if I Were to Ever Be Murdered in a Cosmically Fucked Sort of Way, I’d Want It to Be Brian Sabean’s and Bruce Bochy’s Faults. I Mean, God Damn.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
Unfair editing privileges!
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by say hey nation on May 24, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m pretty sure that any comment you saw me make that wasn’t formatted right was just reality fucking with you. Which means we may be closer to destruction than I realized.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on May 24, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
tmc;dnr
Adoptive parent of Kevin Frandsen, now stopping gaps in...Anaheim?
by EliminateMe on May 24, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I actually left a capital But in there, and it’s really bugging me.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on May 24, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
A gamer would toughen this shit out. Isn’t there a gamer clause in his contract? Cut this bum loose.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Part of me wonders if Sabes is trying get him to publicly say he wont play he can try to nix the contract.
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by say hey nation on May 24, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I can’t see DeRosa staying quiet on this throughout the year. Here is how I see this playing out:
- He is going to come back eventually and try to play.
- He is going to continue to stink.
- The media is going to ask him about his performance and his injury.
- DeRosa is going to say that he knew all along that his wrist was going to prevent him from hitting well.
- The Giants will reluctantly put him on the 60-day sometime in June.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 24, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You forgot the part about the extension for the good soldier
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by say hey nation on May 24, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
No good soldier for him.
Because he did not play the rest fo season severally hurt and made The Sabean look dumb in public.
Threat level that the 2010 Pads finish with more wins than the 2010 Giants is currently at: 34%
Spoiler: Grumpy older Giants fan is Grumpy.
15-Day DL, and we have ourselves a deal!
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on May 24, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
You left out the part where Bochy and Sabean say that they would have put him on the DL earlier, had he not begged to keep playing.
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
I know its unrealistic, but we are dealing with a ego centric GM who thinks the rules that he makes up make the most sense thus they are the real rules.
Also, I think teams can cut players w/o cost from that point on if they refuse to play and are healthy or in other extreme cases. I don’t think Shawn Chacon got paid his full contract.
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by say hey nation on May 24, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you’re right, but no way that would apply to Derosa here. He doesn’t seem healthy at all.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on May 24, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
ARCGH!!
Hey Sabes, shit like THIS makes free agents not want to sign in SF. NOT THE FUCKING BALLPARK.
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
by satyricrash on May 24, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
THIS FUCKING STINKS
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
NO SHE NEVER SAID THAT!
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
by satyricrash on May 24, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Shulman
is also saying we’re gonna try to play Renteria, Sanchez, and Uribe in the infield, move Huff to the outfield, and bench Nate and Bowker. Oh, sweet.
If you don't like Brandon Medders you're not a true fan.
Wait, what? Does that mean why is Ishikawa?
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on May 24, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, nevermind. That means Panda 1B.
Just awesome.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on May 24, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah
have literally everyone except Rent play out of position so you can make sure your two young, possibly good outfielders don’t get a chance to play, aka “keeping their best bats in the lineup”
If you don't like Brandon Medders you're not a true fan.
Well, you could have Rent play second while Freddy plays SS. That would cover it. Then if Rowand plays RF, Whiteside plays CF, and Torres catches, we’ll be good.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on May 24, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I almost wrote in Molina for CF, but I just… couldn’t… do… it….
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on May 24, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Molina playing CF is about the only way he’s ever going to reach the outfield fence.
Ducks stackin' wins like Leggos, toastin Pac-10 like the Eggos, like we're racin' against some preggos, Dan Patrick we enfuego. Free Schierholtz!!
by PacBellBoozer on May 24, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I was just going to post this. It’s so ridiculous.
It might not happen for tomorrow’s game, but it’s my understanding the Giants have had internal discussions about some significant changes as a way to ensure they keep their best bats in the lineup as they try to escape their horrific offensive slump.
That’s totally Edgar Renteria.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on May 24, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
jeezuz..

The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
I like DeRosa
But I wish Sabean had never signed him
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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My random thoughts on a random Monday
Instead of making a fanpost on mostly redundant topics, I’ll condense my Rage, Anger, and Rants in this post. Observation of the team will be in quotes, analysis of the observation will be outside of it.
1. In the absence of consistent lineup with at least some power and above average on base%, teams are at the mercy of BABIP breaking the right way. The Giants couldn’t score this past week not because they aren’t clutch hitters, but because performance in the clutch is defined by how good the players are to begin with. If a player has a .350 OBP normally, he probably would be on base about, oh, I dunno, .350 in “clutch situations”. Give or take a few percent based on where the defense is playing. Failing in clutch situation is not because players couldn’t channel their inner David Eckstein at the right moment, it is because a .300 on base hitter fails to get on base 70% of the time, and a team full of hitters failing 70% of the time has a higher tendency to have multiple guys fail consecutively than a team full of hitters failing 60% of the time. That’s just basic math.
2. Regression towards the mean happens. The pitching stats from the first 3 weeks were not sustainable over the season. On the other hand, the offense would probably be under less scrutiny if the team was losing 7-1, 5-0, 9-0 instead of 1-0 multiple times. The good fortune and good pitching of this team is helping to keep the focus on the abnormally poor string of BABIP on our hitters. Karma is a bitch isn’t it?
3. This team, as constructed, is a .500 team based on most projections. It is playing to the projection in a feast or famine streaky fashion. Not surprising given point #1. There are 3 things you can do do avoid BABIP streaks. You can strike out, walk, or hit the ball out of the park. Unfortunately, our hitters only do one out of those 3 things with regularity. I admit both the power and the K/BB ratio have been better than I expected, but that it still isn’t good enough. When you leave your fate to balls dropping in the field, shit like last week happens.
4. Last season the Giants, based on stats, was supposed to be a ~81 win team. They won 88. They overachieved. They spent money this offseason moving laterally on offense and stood still on pitching. They should be a ~81 win team again. The lofty expectation of improving on an 88 win season was never logical to begin with. It doesn’t just happen because “there’s magic inside!”
There is no 1 or 2 moves that will fix this situation. It is a fundamental problem with the way the team is constructed. Short of dropping both Mark Texiera and Hanley Ramirez into 1B and SS, there isn’t a signing or a trade out there that will transform this lineup magically.
The problem from the onset is the mindset of the front office. Instead of getting younger, more athletic, and better on base, each offseason is another exercise of signing patchwork solutions with over the hill veteran in hoping “this is the year it all comes together.” It is giving money to players based on their ceiling, not average value. “Mark Derosa, in his peak, could be worth 6Million / year so I’ll sign him to 12M /2 yrs. Freddy Sanchez, if everything works out exactly the way it should and he hits his ceiling, is worth 6M / year so I’ll sign him to 12M/2 yrs”.
Matt Cain has outperformed his xFIP for 3 straight years now. Imagine if his trend reverses.
The Giants had the single least productive right field in baseball last year based on wOBA with Randy Winn and friends. At the same time, the AAA team had the single most productive right fielder in all of minor league last year in John Bowker. It is absolutely inexcusable that, 1 year and 2 months later, we look at John Bowker and say “boy, there could be something there, but there just isn’t enough at bats to figure out if he is the answer.”
I have a lot more to say about another subject, but instead I’ll just use these words : “Fred Lewis.”
Will Mark Derosa help when he comes back? Maybe. maybe not. One thing I know for sure, he will take away at bats from John Bowker. Instead of finding out whether Bowker can be a .800 OPS player at left field, we will go to the end of this season still wondering “humm, I wonder if Bowker could play for us next year. It would have been nice to see 500 at bats consistently from him.”
Edgar Renteria. I forgot how the rest of the joke goes but that was the punchline.
San Francisco Giants : Spending 90M to (maybe) to play .500 baseball. Holy shit I wrote an essay. Probably should have fanposted this afterall.
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by jctGamer on May 24, 2010 1:05 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
1 move that would make the most impact is move Sabean out of his current job. HIEAD would also end up going and we might have some hope again. Of coarse the would mean Bow Tie is a big enough man and is comfortible enough in his job to publicly admitt the Sabean extention was a mistake and I don’t see that as very likely.
Threat level that the 2010 Pads finish with more wins than the 2010 Giants is currently at: 34%
Spoiler: Grumpy older Giants fan is Grumpy.
GET THE DAMN SURGERY
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by walkoff baltimore chop on May 24, 2010 4:05 PM PDT reply actions
Swinging, I think.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on May 24, 2010 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Good thing he's not getting 12 million dollars to do that
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