OT: LOST finale (spoilers)
by operation carrot on May 24, 2010 1:24 AM PDT
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PrintMy other love besides giants baseball. Are you guy's satisfied with the ending? Heavy with character but little on answers. I personally loved it. Although my friend thinks because it ended with the shots of the plane crash during the credits it means that they all died on the crash and this was jack's personal purgatory rather than a meet up spot before he big jump. Also what was up with jack being his own grandfather?
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Although my friend thinks because it ended with the shots of the plane crash during the credits it means that they all died on the crash
My wife thinks this too, but I totally disagree. Christian DID say that it all happened to him, and his time with these people was the most important time of their lives. Plus the creators had been saying all along that this wasn’t Purgatory.
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I know. Why would they be important besides just being people on a plane if it was just after his death. At least it didnt turn out to be an epilogue like i thought they were leaning too. Do you feel satisfied with the ending? Im sad, like after harry potter ended.
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by operation carrot on May 24, 2010 1:49 AM PDT up reply actions
WTF? That was the ORIGINAL 2004 OA Flight 815 wreckage.
Jack merely stumbled back to where he first awoke on the Island, a few dozen yards from the crash site.
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The shots of the plane wreckage were added by the goddamn network! They have nothing to do with the actual plot of the show.
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No kidding, really? HA! I’m going to rub it in the faces of everyone I see, if that’s the case!
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Yeah, I think that was pretty clear. Jack died in the bamboo forest area, away from the crash site. If he was near the crash site they would have shown him next to the wreckage, but they didn’t.
Goodbye, Steven Johnson, we hardly knew ye. Seriously, that was short.
Yeah, I didn’t think the last shots were anything more than stock footage, kinda put there to remind us how far we’d come. I didn’t think anything more of it.
by The Double Deuce on May 24, 2010 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Also the Flying JACK PUNCH was epic
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by operation carrot on May 24, 2010 1:55 AM PDT reply actions
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on May 24, 2010 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions
RAAAAWR
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by Every6thDay on May 25, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
BORKED!!!!
That was the WORST-planned series finale in TV history.
Everybody’s dead and the Sideways Continuity is Jack’s afterlife?
Stupider than a batting order with The Fatulous Moolah hitting cleanup.
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by S.F. Giangst on May 24, 2010 4:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Point taken
Those were the TWO worst series finales ever.
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Any series with a "finale" has planned one, I'm talking PRE-PLANNED
meaning that the producers already had the finale plotted out before the debut hit the airwaves.
There are only a few, and nearly all pre-planned finales are part of Sci-Fi series like TIME TUNNEL, BABYLON 5, and BATTLESTAR GALACTICA [2.0]. Exceptions are THE FUGITIVE and NICHOLS (a James Garner Western).
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I don’t know why more people don’t see this. The whole “They made it up as they went along!” thing doesn’t make sense. No network exec is going to greenlight Lost’s pilot without some explanation of why funky things are happening on the island.
by Grant Brisbee on May 26, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
You think? I imagine the explanation offered during the pitch involved “electromagnetic anomalies” and a little hand-waving and that’s it. Network execs don’t care whether the show hangs together in the end; they just want people to watch it now.
I don't know about that.
Network execs are (or at least should be) interested in not alienating over the fans with another X-files like debacle. That kind of thing will scare fans away from watching plot-driven series on your networks in the future. It’s arguable that Fox’s proclivity for terribly mis-managing and canceling series mid-stream (and the aforementioned unplanned X-Files debacle) made it impossible for firefly to catch Firefly.
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Logically speaking, you are correct, but from what I understand, that’s not really how network execs think.
Networks have lost a lot of viewership to cable channels that have far greater creativity, and to other forms of entertainment like the interwebs. So the biggest thing networks typically care about is fast, easy ratings.
X-Files was a cautionary tale for the creators of Lost, but for the executives at FOX, it was simply easy programming. People watched it and sponsors paid to advertise during the show. People even tuned in for the finale. What was there for FOX not to love? To ABC’s credit, the fact that they agreed to schedule an end to Lost is amazing. It’s not something they HAD to do. What would have been best for ABC would have been to tell the creators to water the show down, and let it run until advertisers ran away.
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That being said, I really do think the creators had a pretty good idea of where they were going with the main story. But considering they were originally going to kill Jack in the pilot, we can infer that they had to fill in a lot of gaps along the way.
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Oh, I agree that clear that they knew where they were going.
How they were going to get there, not so much. There were too many unanswered questions raised and seemingly contradictory events in the middle seasons for the series to have been as planned out as extensively as Babylon 5 (which, from what I understand, was plotted out virtually to the episode before the first season even aired).
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I would venture that Babylon 5 is the only show to be creatively "pre-destined."
JJ Abrams has said that he’s always way more interested in hyping up something in that “What’s in the box?!?” sort of way and that it’s far more interesting to go with the spectacle of the pursuit to answer that question than to find out what’s inside. Knowing this, every WTF curveball the show through at the audience could only have been there mainly for WTF reasons.
Just look at how Lost is written in script form:
If you are interested in the show, screenwriting in general, or wanton profanity, head over to The Daily Script and check out some of the LOST screenplays. They are written in a style that is, as far as I know, unique within the industry:
And as Jack slowly looks up ’— standing right in front of him ’— just FIVE FUCKING FEET AWAY ’—
Is ETHAN.
ETHAN
Hello, Jack.
Holy. Fucking. Shit.
Jack looks at him, ragged breath, but EYES BURNING. And he asks the question that hopefully all of America has been asking for the past week —
JACK
Who are you?
And we’re LOOKING UP at Ethan. SOAKING WET but seemingly oblivious to the rain. And his EYES. His FUCKING EYES.
That’s from “All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues”, season one, episode nine.
TV writers don’t usually plan ahead more than the season that’s in front of them. There are too many variables in making a show every week, so some degree of flexibility is important. Too, if they were to have defined (for themselves) what the island was, then there’d be some anxiety about possibly tipping their hand, feeling confined by such stricture or just grow bored with that idea. The collaborative process and all… Carlton Cuse (Lindelof’s showrunner Yoda) isn’t a creative dictator, and knows that all ideas are on the table at all times.
“Lost” was probably a show that needed a creative dictator, one who not only knew how to make the trains run on time, but why they must.
ya...ive read a few of their scripts
came to the conclusion that most of the writers are pretty much retards
never seen scripts filled with so much profanity, in order to describe emotion
That’s not really it. “Everyone dies”
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on May 24, 2010 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Just this is "MY life" which I am currently living it is also
“YOUR life” and everyone else’s life as well since we all exist simultaneously within the same continuum at all times. That is Existensialism. That is exactly what the ending of Lost wanted to show. I didn’t miss anything.
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I’m not sure what you’re trying to say.
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on May 24, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
It doesn't matter what I'm saying.
What matters is how you want interpret what it is I’m saying and make a choice as to whether or not to believe your own interpretation of what you believe you think I meant.
That, too, is Existentialist bullshit.
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I get the feeling you missed a little something along the way here…
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I’m torn.
I loved the sideways resolution. It definitely was some sort of purgatory where you can only move on to the afterlife when you remember and reconnect with the people who meant most to you during your actual life. Everything on the island definitely did happen (Christian’s comments to Jack, Hurley telling Ben you were a great #2, etc.)
The end of the island story left me a little perplexed. How does the island and the sideways world fit together, if smoky is gone what is the “malevolence” it is protectiong (the jacob cork analogy), what did Ben mean by telling Hurley people could come and go and he didn’t have to run it the same way as Jacob.
I need to watch it again but right now my feelings are I loved it with some reservations.
I definitely have no idea about most of that crap, but I don’t think the “island protector” role has to be limited to just protecting against smoke monsters. The original goal of Mama Jacob/Smokey was to protect the island from all corruption, and specifically those who would come to the island from the outside world to do the island harm.
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I think Smokey was born out of the real dangerous part of the island – when Jacob threw the MiB down there, it sucked all of the goodness out of him and he was reborn as a physical manifestation of whatever the ‘malevolence’ of the island was. When he died, that immediate threat died with it, but the island itself is still full of something that would be really dangerous if it got out (as we can see from Desmond taking out the ‘cork’ thing and everything going to Hell.)
So, even though the Smoke Monster was gone, there’s still plenty to keep “in” (whether it’s electromagnetic energy or supernatural dark forces or whatever).
And I think the point of Ben telling Hurley that was that Jacob, in the end, was a gigantic asshole who ran things probably differently than they needed to be ran. The island needs to be protected, but it doesn’t need to be protected the way that Jacob was doing it. So Hurley, who actually does care for people as well as the island, could do a much better job of it. Or something.
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I think this is pretty on target where my thought process was going. The final nagging thing is how did removing the cork make the Man in black mortal. I know it happened to Richard as well so I see the continuity. Maybe removing the cork was like a giant reset button?
You're looking for a rational explanation?
LOL
The cork was put their by the Egyptians to allow the Electro-Magic (magnetic, bah) to build up to the point it where it’s radiating emissions allowed them to feel the salutorious effects. Sort of like an old wood-burning stove. After Desmond pulled the plug, the EM shot out and dissipated, returning everything dependent upon it subject to the natural course of entropy (deterioration).
It seems to me though, that the water should have healed Jack, or even resurrected him since it’s obviously part of the same plumbing system which brought healing water to The Temple.
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by hokysmksbw on May 24, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That was actually an homage to THE PRISONER
Christian’s comments to Jack, Hurley telling Ben you were a great #2
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by natteringnabob on May 24, 2010 6:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree with this. With 15 minutes to go, i turned to my wife and said, “this is some of the best television I have seen”. She did not really hear me because she was crying hysterically. That said, the last 15 minutes was horrible. I woke up this morning with a lot of anger. The end felt rushed and lazy. The over wrought Christianity was just weird. But the more I thought about it, the more I began to realize how impossible it was to write an ending to this show and particularly to this episode. Personally, I would have left it more open-ended and avoided some of the mines I feel the writers stepped on. But really there was no good way to end it. All that said, it kept me entertained for the better part of 6 years which is no small feat. Now the question is, will it play to my kids in 10/20/30 years the way Star Wars plays to kids today?
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I’m glad they decided to focus on character resolution because I doubt they could completely satisfy people by addressing the mythology.
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on May 24, 2010 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I agree. Would a two hour lecture about the history of the island really have been satisfying?
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I think most of the mythology heavy episodes of Season 6 proved that they just weren’t as interesting.
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on May 24, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes. That was exactly what I wanted. A detailed resolution of all the little mysteries and how they worked. I didn’t give a shit about this OH LOOK THEY’RE ALL HAPPY ISN’T THAT NICE crap. That was fine, if they wanted to include it, but I felt like they bypassed a lot of stuff in order to put that in, which I didn’t like.
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There are two types of Lost fans.
You have the “journey” fans who loved the ride itself, who enjoyed the progression of the characters, who judged each episode on its own merit as well as its part in the greater whole, who loved the mystery aspects but whose whole enjoyment wasn’t necessarily linked to the resolution of those mysteries. These people mostly loved the finale.
Then you have the “destination” fans, who watched only for the “the answers”, who merely tolerated each episode and its explorations of character, and treated individual episodes as hurdles standing between themselves and the end. These people kept a mental tally of every question the show raised, and graded the series as a whole based on the ratio of solved vs. unsolved mysteries. Even answers the show did give them — for example, about Walt’s “specialness” — they rejected if they were not explicit enough. These people hated the finale, and are the same ones who were largely miserable during the show’s entire run.
Of course, it’s the former group who really gets it. Lost was always a character-driven show first, and a mystery second.
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I disagree pretty heavily with that.
by The Double Deuce on May 24, 2010 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I am a member of the first group, but I don’t really want to invalidate the second group’s experience so wholly.
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I would have put myself in the first group, but I still didn’t like the finale. What’s wrong with me?
by The Double Deuce on May 24, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
You're Just A Hater
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To each their own.
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Yea I get the argument about it being a character driven show all along, but it was marketed largely for the mystery… so leaving most of the mysteries completely unsolved leaves me feeling a little ripped off and thinking the writers took the easy way out when they realized how difficult it would be to tie up all the loose ends in one season. It just feels like what attracted a lot of us to the show in the first place never really mattered.
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Over wrought Christianity?
I never felt that. They go to a church at the end, but it had symbols from many different religious. They don’t say they’re going to heaven, but “moving on”.
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It may have been, and it wasn’t a lot that I’d really thought about…
http://watching-tv.ew.com/2010/05/24/lost-series-finale-review/
Apparently there’s more Christianity going on than may have been realized. Probably even including Jack’s father being “Christian Shepherd”.
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I loved it, though there are some things I wish they had resolved. Moreso than anything else, I wish Michael and Walt had been there in the church with them (even though they weren’t my favorite characters, they were really important and they were part of that group.)
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also
I want the following spinoffs:
- Hurley and Ben’s Excellent Island Adventures
- Richard hilariously adjusts to 21st century life sitcom co-starring Miles and Frank
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I would totally watch that show with Richard.
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on May 24, 2010 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m already depressed it’s not going to exist.
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I was wondering the entire time how Richard knew what a plane was
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on May 24, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, to be fair, Richard did leave the island a few times (he visited Locke, he convinced Juliet to come to the island, etc.)
But I still think that just visiting the outside world and actually having to live in it would be two totally different animals.
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Oh, I actually forgot about his off island shenanigans.
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on May 24, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I’d heard recently that Walt had a growth spurt and basically HAD to be written off the show. It would have been tough to get him to look like he did when he was on the show, which is why I suspect he wasn’t there in the end. Michael probably had to be removed, too, because it would look weird if he were there without his kid.
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I think Michael couldn’t be there for the same reason Ben chose not to be there – because he didn’t really deserve to be. Ben killed Locke and didn’t feel like he could go in because he didn’t deserve to. Michael probably didn’t deserve to go in because he shot Ana-Lucia and Libby.
As for Walt, it probably wasn’t the most important time in his life like it was for everyone else. Plus, it would have been impossible as has already been said.
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I’ve heard they did film a scene with Malcolm David Kelley (and Terry O’Quinn and Michael Emerson) that didn’t make the finale. I imagine it will be Walt telling them he doesn’t want to go yet because he wants to find his dad and forgive him or something.
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This is exactly what happens. Remember how Hurley was all “Michael, how can I help you?” Hurley summons Walt to the island, and the two of them use their magic hoohah powers to help Michael cross over.
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I think it was hilarious that Aaron went in as a baby. Not like he grew up and had a life of his own. Nope, gone into heaven as a motherfucking baby. That’s gotta suck balls.
It’s been speculated that Aaron probably wasn’t truly present in the Sideways world. I think we can guess that the mercenary who killed Alex, Patchy, Aartz, etc weren’t part of the group that met up in the Sideways world, kind of like how Ji Yeon probably also wasn’t a fetus while moving on.
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On the Jimmy Kimmel show, they brought up the issue of Michael not being in the church. Apparently it’s because he’s trapped on the island as a “whisper”.
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Wait, so Michael was trapped on the island forever?
SHOULDN’T HAVE SHOT HURLEY’S GIRLFRIEND, DUDE!
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It would have been really awkward if Michael had strode into that church, when Libby was there with Hurley.
by The Double Deuce on May 24, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, they said that a few episodes ago. That’s what the whispers are, people trapped on the island because they were bad. Hurley asked him if he was trapped there and he literally said, “Yeah. Because of what I did.”
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I thought the last episode was pretty good, given what it had to work with. The last season as a whole was pretty disappointing.
The most annoying thing to me was that most of the answers we were given were to questions that were only posed this season. The sideways purgatory idea was pretty neat, but not brilliantly executed IMO in terms to tieing the whole show together.
Coincidently, here in the UK Ashes to Ashes (which is the “sequel”/successor to Life On Mars) finished last week, and they also did purgetory. They did it much better in fairness, even after a pretty average last couple of series (if you’ve only ever seen the US version BTW, you’ve no idea how much tighter the writing was in the original, partly I’m sure due to shorter series). I do think that Lost struggled to keep it’s focus through the long series – there were longer periods of nothing happening, followed by sudden surges of activity (and cast additions).
In the end, Lost was pretty much the Giants – overall it’s pretty good, and some characters are just pure genius. The only infurating thing is that it could so easily have been much better.
by sarf_london_niner on May 24, 2010 8:59 AM PDT reply actions
I love A2A, but I decided to wait until it was all over to watch series 3. I can’t wait. I’ve been spoiled already, but I’ve heard it was very satisfying.
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Oh sorry dude
Honestly didn’t think US guys would watch it, seeing as it’s so very UK centric in it’s cultural references (in fact I don’t think I’ve ever seen a show which goes so far out of its way to block it’s own export – which is why it’s a shame you didn’t get a proper version over there).
by sarf_london_niner on May 24, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh, no I was spoiled a few days ago (and I chose to read them), don’t worry!
I never bothered with the US LoM because I knew there was no way it could be as good as the UK version. And I enjoyed the first two series of A2A very much, though they obviously weren’t quite as good.
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I saw Life on Mars and the first 2 seasons of Ashes to Ashes – enjoyed them immensely, despite the many cultural references that flew over my head and the occasional “what did he just say?” The story-telling was excellent, and even the special effects were pretty decent. I liked the confusion in Sam Tyler’s story, and just loved Annie Cartwright. As far as character goes, I liked D.I. Alex Drake better… but she seemed too well-adjusted to the situation to make the dramatic tension appropriate.
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I liked it a lot. I’m glad they didn’t explain a lot of things. Usually when a movie/show does that, it doesn’t turn out well (*coughStar Warscough *).
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You know, I was disappointed in the ending, but you do make a good point. An over-explanation of everything would probably have just hurt more than it helped.
by The Double Deuce on May 24, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Biggest and really only gripe
They kept saying there was a scientific explanation, and they punted on all that.
The character centered, supernatural angle was fine, but a bit of a cop out when they kept saying the above.
There was, I thought, room for both.
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Yeah, I think that was Abrams that kept saying that though, and I’m fairly sure that he hadn’t been involved in the story for quite some time.
But I also remember them saying it wasn’t a purgatory situation. And I guess the ISLAND wasn’t one, but still to have these alternate-reality stories be a form of purgatory seemed really weird to me.
by The Double Deuce on May 24, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, when they said it wasn’t a purgatory situation, they meant the island stuff. Everything that happened on the island was real. Everything that happened in the sideways timeline was the characters working through their issues so they could move on.
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TBH, I strongly suspect that the original plan was for it to be purgatory, but when so many people predicted it they felt they had to go another way. That would explain why the alternate reality was kind of tacked on. They’ll never admit to that even if it were true, obviously.
BTW, did the alternate reality seem really messed up to anyone else? The world they created -do you think there was a round table discussion? “Alright, Jack, you get to sleep with Sawyer’s girl. Sawyer, you get to sleep with Daniel’s girl. Daniel…you get to play the piano.”
by sarf_london_niner on May 24, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, Jack and Juliet was kinda a thing in the third season, so it makes sense they would have given it a shot and it wouldn’t have worked out.
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Also, I think Jack still had some issues relating from blaming himself for her death in a way, so I guess being involved with her would have helped him work through that.
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by The Double Deuce on May 24, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I'm not saying it doesn't make sense from a "restart from scratch" persepective
but if I told you that purgatory consisted of me being with you girl, you being with groug’s, and groug being with mine for a long period of time (they all had memories as if this was a full reality), until we all finally “wake up”, laugh, and go “oh yeah, I’m supposed to be with THAT one! Doh!”, you wouldn’t think that a little…off?
by sarf_london_niner on May 24, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
jponry has a girl? Hawt.
I don’t think it would matter very much. The point isn’t that everything was always perfect, the point was to get them to wake up and move on. These people were important to each other when they were alive, and they became important to each other in different ways in the sideways world. But Jack and Juliet’s relationship doesn’t take anything away from Sawyer and Juliet’s, and Daniel and Charlotte will presumably get to spend the time together that they never got to when they were alive.
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I dunno, I don’t think they were really all together for like a full lifetime, although they may have had memories making them think they were (like Jack didn’t remember he had his appendix out until someone told him he did). That said, I don’t know at what point in their lives their sideways-verse selves started.
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From the moment Jacob did/did not visit them, is what I thought.
by The Double Deuce on May 24, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Like, when Jacob visited them IRL and “touched” them, their sideways-selves were created? I dunno.
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Yeah, that’s what I was thinking. This is the point where Jacob altered their course to pull them to the island. I imagine in their side-realities, Jacob never showed up, and they just lived the lives they would have otherwise.
Something like that.
by The Double Deuce on May 24, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I read somewhere that the side-reality thing was completely and totally unnecessary. I am not sure I agree with that, but I will say it was a huge distraction and created a lot of confusion where there was plenty. It seems to me like the writers worked backwards. That is, they did not want the series to end in a ball of flames in some battle-royale on the island so they concocted this idea that all the characters would reunite in an alter-reality at the end. The problem is that none of it made any sense, and not just in a black smoke suspend reality sort of way. There were just so many inconsistencies and contradictions mainly becuase they did not have time to flesh it out.
One last thing. I read or heard somewhere that the side-reality was a place where everyone was dead and waiting for their awakening so they could “move on”. But not everyone was dead. Jack was not dead, Kate, Hurley, Sawyer, Miles, etc…
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They were all dead
It happened after they died. Christian explained this really clearly.
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Yeah, Christian said they were in a place where time didn’t matter, so some of them may have died long before Jack, some long after, but they were all there together at that place.
by The Double Deuce on May 24, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Well that seems oddly obvious...
I should probably stick to my day job…
Still confused by Aaron being a baby. And even more confused by the fact that Sun and Jin never even had their baby girl who actually had been born. I just don’t know why their sideways reality would not include her
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She’s busy protecting the island after Hurley dies?
by The Double Deuce on May 24, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you answered your own question. The only time Sun and Jin ever were together with their baby is when it was in the womb. It wouldn’t have made sense to have Yu Jin there when Jin never got to meet his daughter.
Aaron is a baby because IMO for Claire and Charlie they were happiest when they found each other on the island, and Aaron was only a baby at that time. Again why have him be like a little kid or man at that point? Otherwise you’re stuck with a really cheesy Star Wars type ending.
So do you think everyone has their own sidewaiys reality? That is, when the kids die, do they then have a reality where they are with their own familiesor loved ones? In that vein, is this just a special thing for the Losties since they were on the island (and created it), or is this a general program for all people?
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I’m not sure. Like, I have to wonder about some of the characters in the sideways reality – what happened to the people who were killed there, like Mikhail and Keamy? Were they actually the “souls” of those people or were they just ~astral projections of them serving as vehicles to help Sayid and Jin work out their issues? Likewise, were Frank and Richard (I think they were the only two that didn’t show up at all there) there somewhere? Was Miles there actually Miles or was he just Sawyer’s subconscious picking someone who he thought would be a good sidekick for him?
The dialogue Eloise has with Desmond suggests that she and Daniel (and maybe Charles as well?) are both in the purgatory type existence, but I’m not sure about the rest. It’s an interesting question that probably won’t be completely resolved.
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I think it just being their subconscious’s pulling island people into their alt-reality is probably the best bet, and makes good sense.
by The Double Deuce on May 24, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I do think it makes sense, though I still wonder why, then, Eloise and Daniel (and Ben and Juliet) got to have an alt-reality experience and other later introduced characters (Frank, Richard, maybe Miles) didn’t.
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(Or, of course, maybe they did and it just wasn't shown.)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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Maybe they did and we just didn’t see it?
Or maybe those others (eloise, Daniel, Ben, Juliet) were just part of the main people’s experiences, and weren’t actually there either.
by The Double Deuce on May 24, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Ben and Juliet had to have really been there, imo. I mean, that kind of defeats the purpose of the ending if Sawyer and Juliet weren’t really reunited. And Ben clearly remembers being Hurley’s number two and all.
Eloise and Daniel (and everyone else) is definitely more ambiguous, but I do really like the idea of her finally getting a chance to have a real life with him after she spent her actual life trying to fix her one mistake (and failing.)
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Yeah, you’re right about Ben and Juliet.
I dunno, the whole thing is really confusing. I loved the show (though not the finale) but there’s still a lot I didn’t feel like I totally “got.”
by The Double Deuce on May 24, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, definitely. But I do think that’s the fun of it, in some ways.
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Agreed.
I’m excited to rewatch the whole thing once the DVD comes out, too, and see what little tidbits I missed or didn’t understand along the way.
by The Double Deuce on May 24, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
That is the fun of it...
And I can also just stop thinking about it and remind myself that it was some fantasy dreamed up by a couple of writers which is not the case for the Giants about whom I often wish I was dreaming…
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They weren’t dead, at least on the “real” timeline, but the sideways timeline takes place after everyone is dead.
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Yeah
This is also supported by Kate telling Jack she’s missed him “for a long time” – presumably, after they got off the island in the plane, she lived for however many years before dying.
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Just sit right back
And you’ll hear a tale
A tale of a fateful trip,
That started from this tropic port,
Aboard this tiny ship.
The mate was a mighty sailin’ man,
The Skipper brave and sure,
Five passengers set sail that day,
For a three hour tour,
A three hour tour.
The weather started getting rough,
The tiny ship was tossed.
If not for the courage of the fearless crew
The Minnow would be lost.
The Minnow would be lost.
The ship set ground on the shore
Of this uncharted desert isle
With Gilligan,
The Skipper too.
The millionaire
And his wife,
The movie star,
The professor and Mary Ann,
Here on Gilligan’s Isle.
So this is the tale of our castaways,
They’re here for a long long time.
They’ll have to make the best of things,
It’s an uphill climb.
The first mate and his Skipper too
Will do their very best,
To make the others comf’terble
In their tropic island nest.
No phone, no lights, no motor car,
Not a single luxury
Like Robinson Crusoe
It’s primitive as can be.
So join us here each week my friends,
You’re sure to get a smile,
From seven stranded castaways
Here on Gilligan’s Isle!
WHY IS BENGIE?!
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 24, 2010 1:31 PM PDT reply actions
It’s been a while, how did the Globetrotters get on the island, and how did they get off while the regular cast remained behind? I’d imagine the logic might make more sense than LOST.
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It’s been a while, how did the Globetrotters get on the island, and how did they get off
Ginger and Maryann.
Both of them.
At once!
WHY IS BENGIE?!
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 24, 2010 1:43 PM PDT reply actions
I liked it
They did the best with what they could
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SCIENCE
I watched 121.5 hours in two months…get on it.
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YOU ALL EVERYBODYYYYYY
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MAKE YOUR OWN KIND OF MUSIC
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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Son of a BITCH
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WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!
by The Double Deuce on May 24, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
MY BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABBBBBBBBYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
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LET GO!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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You guys got any milk?
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You’ve got some Arzt on you.
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/throws white pebble
“Inside joke”
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on May 24, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-DShnvNNv0
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I loved it
I was actually left kind of emotionally drained and depressed after Jack’s eye closed. Ultimately they stayed pretty true to what the show has been all along. The people who bitch about the lack of answers and mythology must have not been paying attention this whole time. All that stuff has always been subtext within the show, but never been the main point of it. It’s always been about the characters and about certain reoccurring themes, one of which was the idea of faith and there were always heavy religious undertones (of varying religious philosophies) throughout the entire run of the show.
I really liked the end and finding out that Vincent was likely the reincarnation of Christian. Tied things together quite nicely. I also liked that they only implied certain things but left it open to interpretation so that there is plenty of room for debate and questioning into what really happened, which was often the result of the majority of the show’s episodes. And if they want to they also have some room for all kinds of spinoffs.
I love Vincent.
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I thought Vincent was just Vincent
And he was just doing what dogs do. You know, eat dead people.
But seriously, I loved it too. If you go into this thing looking for detailed explanations of every mystery, you’ll be disappointed no matter what. I was very emotionally satisfied by all the characters coming together, and it was a great resolution to six years.
by Murray, Present on May 24, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah saying Vincent was Christian reincarnated seems like a BIG stretch to me. He’s just a cool dog.
And he very well ate Jack’s fingers minutes later.
by The Double Deuce on May 24, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
How is it a big stretch? We’re talking about Lost here. Also there are many connections between the Dog and Christian.
Well, wouldn’t Vincent have to have been born AFTER Christian died to be him, reincarnated? He’s like a full-grown dog already.
I dunno, I just never made that connection.
by The Double Deuce on May 24, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Vincent came up to Jack right as Christian touched Jack in the church. It’s not really that much of a stretch.
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Nothing to do with Vincent, but Christian being the guy who explains everything at the end clashed for me with the fact that all previous incarnations of Christian have presumably been the smoke monster.
THIS
I have been revisiting the episode and the series in general all day. It’s been difficult to concentrate, and I find myself thinking a lot about the characters, and pondering about what happened in the rest of their lives…
While I think there is an entirely separate debate about whether or not the writers had an obligation to answer some of the scientific, more concrete “mysteries” of the show, it is impossible to argue that if you watched this series from the beginning you had a serious investment in these characters, and that the finale (on some level) brought a rewarding level of closure.
That said, I still find myself angry that we never found out exactly what the island was.
cork
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Well, yes
I get that part…but I’m thinking more on a historical basis. How it came into existence, further discussion on what it needs to be protected from, etc.
I’m with those who say above that it would be difficult to adequately explain this, and it is almost better left to mystery, there is a part of me that is still curious. I was just always fascinated with the mythology.
The only unresolved plot point that irks me is all the Egyptian symbology. The Egyptologist in me wants to know
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on May 24, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
There’s probably more to it, but the big thing it obviously indicates is that there has been some sort of human presence on the Island for a very, very long time.
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AHH! It’s so damn intriguing. Damnit LOST!!
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on May 24, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
This. The earliest people we see on the island are clearly Romans (and one's who can't speak latin).
Also, who the hell dropped that pallet-load of Dharma Initiative grub in season 2? It wasn’t the Others, they didn’t have a cargo plane.
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That’s the earliest people they show on screen, but there have been other people way before then too.
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but what was the point?
seems to me that the writers only had enough material for a half of a season
so they took one of the theories put forth by fans after the first season, and turned it into the alt universe
i felt empty afterward
their dead, jim
ya….so….
but i would sure like to hire smokey to take care of sabean and bochy
my problem with the finale'
is that we learn that all the “flash sideways” are not
there is no alt universe…it is a form of purgatory, a waiting room, created by the losties…why???
cuz the most important part of their lives were spent on that island
ok….but what did it do for the story….really…nothing
so we got alot of filler…and boy were those writers smart only to show characters remembering their deaths….during the final epi
wonder why no one asked why christian was there…he didnt spend the best part of his life on the island
and how is it that christian is only wise and all knowing…after he is dead
i liked the injokes and the self effacing humor….
but invoking tears is not that hard….especially in a finale where so many have invested so much time and effort to watching
best finale’s in history remain….
the prisoner
bob newhart (second show)
mary tyler moore
st elsewhere
mash
Newhart and St. Elsewhere? Man, you really are a sucker for the “It was all just a dream” gag.
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by Josh from Hollywood on May 24, 2010 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions
THIS
As far as shows I’ve seen all the way through, SFU was by far the best finale I’ve ever seen.
by The Double Deuce on May 27, 2010 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Me too
That was the TV finale equivalent of Kirk’s Kobayashi Maru move — it changed the rules. Before that, there were two basic ways to go: 1) The world keeps going, but we aren’t there to see it, 2) The world ends.
Because fans hate to feel like they didn’t see the end, that the friends they’ve brought into their homes are going to keep having adventures and they’ll be missing them, shows often prefer blowing up their worlds. In Newhart, the whole world was a dream and never happened. In St. Elsewhere, the same thing, only it’s an autistic kid’s daydream. In Soap, each of the main characters on the show gets killed in separate, bizarre incidents.
Personally, I’m not a fan of cheapening the world we’ve come to know and love by blowing it up casually (though I like it when it’s organic, as in the war ending in MASH). But I also hate to not see some kind of closure (unless it’s done really well as I thought it was in The Wire, and even The Sopranos).
Six Feet Under somehow found a way to do both — they allowed their characters (except for Nate) to live out their lives like real people, but also allowed us to see everything (and I mean everything) end. Add to that, it was a show about life and death and dealing with death, and the last 10-15 minutes was nothing but that for every character we’d come to care about. Amazing.
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by Josh from Hollywood on May 27, 2010 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Christian was probably all-knowing because he had been dead for a really, really long time. We don’t know how long it took Hurley and Ben to die. So far all we know, Christian has been dead for a decent amount of time and it was enough for him to figure some shit out in the afterlife so he could deliver the news to his only son as a means to greet him at the gates.
When you’re dead, the linearity of time doesn’t really apply anymore. That’s why Christian said there is no “now.”
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
Could someone summarize what happened? I watched it, and i still am not sure exactly what happned. So the flashbacks this season were just them in purgatory? Why were they on the island in the first place?
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by GovernorStephCurry on May 24, 2010 8:15 PM PDT reply actions
Watched it a night late. A few thoughts:
1. I was glad they didn’t try to “explain” the island. I enjoyed the sexual symbolism of Jack’s enormous cork, though.
2. The first two or three “long-separated couple find one another in the afterlife” montages were affecting. The next seventeen were tedious.
3. It’s a shame Terry O’Quinn got stuck playing Boring Evil Guy for the last couple of years, because he was really great as John Locke.
4. Why oh why did the writers stick with the idea that the show was basically about Jack, when it’s clear to anyone who watches it that he’s just one of an ensemble?
5. The “resolution” of the alternate reality was dreadful, rendering that whole side of season 6 AND the nuclear bomb of season 5 pointless.
This, this, and more this.
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by Josh from Hollywood on May 24, 2010 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I really don’t think it rendered all of S6 pointless (it does seem, however, to have turned out that the nuclear bomb dind’t change anything except for stabilizing time for Jack et al).
But S6 DID end up with the MiB defeated, whatever was inside the island contained and the island under new and presumably better leadership with Hurley and Ben. And the AU makes it clear that Hurley and Ben did lead the island for some time.
Anti-climactic, maybe, but it did happen. I can agree they probably could have done away with some of the stuff they spent time on in s6 though.
Also I thought TOQ was brilliant as both Flocke and Locke.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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It was an ensemble cast but it really was about Jack. Sounds kind of lame but an individuals life will always have an “ensemble” of people in it. People that they care about
And how were we supposed to care about these characters if we didn’t learn anything about them? Jack knew them so it was important that we the viewer knew them.
/cue the we are all Pedro Feliz joke
How about this.
It was an ensemble cast, but Jack happened to be the least interesting member.
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honestly it was all worth it for me
just for this
:’)
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Sabes and Boch in the dugout alone….
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by GovernorStephCurry on May 24, 2010 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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by Natto on May 24, 2010 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
omg so beautiful
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On another forum, someone pointed something that I forgot about
Miles made it off with Nicki and Paulo’s diamonds. Dude’s gonna be set once he gets home.
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This is why him and Richard and Frank are gonna buy, like, a fucking island of their own or something and just kick ass for the rest of their lives.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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Richard is probably sick of islands at this point.
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True.
Swinging bachelor pad in some large city or something, then.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
No, he wants to die soon. He’s lived 500+ years, theres nothing left for him.
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by GovernorStephCurry on May 24, 2010 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Can someone else please explain what happened? I didn’t get it clear enough from the other poster.
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by GovernorStephCurry on May 24, 2010 10:44 PM PDT reply actions
Loved it, loved it, loved it
I realize that there were plenty of unanswered questions, along with lots of inconsistencies and WTFs???…but the resolution of the individual character’s storylines in regards to their feelings for each other was absolutely fulfilling. For once, I didn’t watch the end of a show and feel a million things were left unexplored.
I think the show made the right decision NOT to answer everyone’s questions about the island, the time travel, etc. Because this show has ultimately been about the relationships between the characters, and the island was just the impetus to move these relationships forward. If anything, not trying to answer all those questions will keep people talking about this show for years.
As an aside…when Vincent laid down next to jack at the end, it’s the first time I think I’ve ever cried watching a television show.
So yes, I’ll say again – I loved it.
I've got squirrels in my pants!
Fear the Fin has its own LOST thread rite now
by operation carrot on May 25, 2010 9:38 AM PDT reply actions
the main wirter gives a very good LOST recap. Maybe Grant should do one for Battlestar Gallactica
Garlic fries 08
by operation carrot on May 25, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
This just links to a recap of the Sharks’ franchise.
by Every6thDay on May 25, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
The reason I liked Lost in the first place was because of the mystery. Numbers into an ancient computer holding back a burst of energy. Four-toed statues. Random bearded dudes asking for Walt. Babies not surviving past birth. Locke walking again, and cancer disappearing. I didn’t want a resolution of every mystery in a list format, but I was hoping for something.
Here’s the resolution provided by the last season:
Wasn’t that island weird? I know, right?
Weak sauce. If the whole thing were purgatory, then I could at least try to fill in some of the gaps on my own. The smoke monster represents this, Jacob represents that. But just to have the post-bomb reality as purgatory is junk.
Completely agree.
And it isn’t really post bomb reality. We were led to think that this was a separate timeline cause when the bomb went off, but it obviously was not. And that would have been more interesting to explore then what was causing these two realities to become reintertwined.
The message is that loved ones are more important than anything…great, I get that. And it is true for life. But not in my entertainment options.
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Weak sauce. If the whole thing were purgatory, then I could at least try to fill in some of the gaps on my own. The smoke monster represents this, Jacob represents that. But just to have the post-bomb reality as purgatory is junk.
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The explanation for the bomb is that “What happened, happened.” In other words, there’s no shortcut to redemption, so what happened was the bomb course corrected the Losties back to their proper time in history. We were led to believe it created a Sideways world that the cast was going to somehow cross over towards, but we didn’t know how. So the bomb did have an affect, and we saw it as soon as the season began. We just expected it did something more, and we didn’t know how.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
yeah, exactly
it fixed the losties back to where they were supposed to be in time, but they couldn’t change the past. which makes daniel’s whole life really tragic.
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It seems like the whole thing was a study in destiny/pre-destination. Farraday was the most obvious example because he was trying to change things that had supposedly happened already, but none of the characters could change the present or even the future (even when they were granted fore-knowledge). When we are told in the alternate reality/purgatory that time doesn’t matter, we assume it means that the characters are reunited with out regard for when they died, but it in the broader context it could also be taken to mean that events were pre-determined, and time literally does not matter if the characters have no way to change the chain of cause and effect. So, yeah, it’s one big argument against free will.
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Oh wow...
There really is a Lost thread.
I liked that everyone died. I did not like the allegorical turn the story took toward the end.
…
I liked when Morgan broke his thumbs…
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on May 26, 2010 9:27 AM PDT reply actions
well, everyone died
eventually. They don’t say when.
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Like the link says, Top Tend Questions Lost Never Answered. Pretty funny.
http://geekscape.net/the-top-ten-questions-lost-never-answered.html
Rapid-fire questions left unanswered.
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1936291
Part one of the finale recap from Jeff Jensen at EW:
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20387946,00.html
Here’s part 2. It’s long, but I liked it..
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20313460_20388269,00.html
Here’s a review from Ken Tucker at EW, who showcased a lot of the religious undertones:
http://watching-tv.ew.com/2010/05/24/lost-series-finale-review/
Here’s a little something from E! Online, with a video Q&A that explains a few final things:
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b182505_lost_want_know_man_in_blacks_real_name.html
Here’s the Tim Goodman take:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/tgoodman/detail?&entry_id=64224
Confirmation that jponry was right about ABC providing the final footage of the wreckage:
http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/05/26/lost-final-scenes-wreckage/
That’s what I’ve got. If anyone else has anything interesting, I’d love to see it.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
Wow, that College Humor link nails it. I didn’t want an itemized list of explanations. Just tell me what the island kind of is so I can fill in my own blanks.
by Grant Brisbee on May 26, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
You get the feeling they’re going to pack the DVD full of gap-fillers? Really try and convince people they need to buy the DVD if they want a more complete look at the series?
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
One of the writers explains the finale
http://designwoop.com/2010/05/lost-finale-explained-well/
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Reading that makes me feel like I was watching a completely different show than the ones the writers were writing.
Really? It makes a lot of sense to me, though there are some contradictions in there (like saying Ben wasn’t in the church because he wasn’t in S1, when Desmond, Penny and Juliet were all there.)
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It’s not the contradictions, it’s the general sense that what interested me about the show wasn’t what interested them. I was into the whole desert-island scenario, questions of identity, shifting social dynamics, the ever-unfolding oddities and mysteries. The cornball spirituality just dragged things down.
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by operation carrot on May 28, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
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