minor lines, 5/2/10
by steve S on May 2, 2010 8:54 PM PDT
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PrintSunday highlights from the Giants' farm: Ryan Rohlinger homered while reaching base safely in all four plate appearances, Madison Bumgarner and Daryl Maday both allowed just 1 ER in 6.0 IP, and Aaron King had 10 K in 5.0 scoreless IP. Also notable, Buster Posey and Charlie Culberson both homered as part of their multi-hit performances.
AAA: Fresno defeated Sacramento 4-2
Fresno: 3B Ryan Rohlinger: 1 for 1, HR, 2 BB, HBP
Fresno: C Buster Posey: 2 for 4, HR, SO, PB
Fresno: SP Madison Bumgarner: 6.0 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 4 K
Sacramento: SP Lenny DiNardo: 6.0 IP, 5 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 4 K--1 HB, 1 IBB
Rohlinger and Posey hit back-to-back solo HRs in the 8th inning to provide a couple insurance runs. It was the 2nd HR this year for both hitters. Reaching base in all four plate appearances, Rohlinger improved his season line to .329/.440/.514 through 70 AB. Posey's passed ball was his first of the year.
Statistically, Bumgarner had his best start of the year, setting or matching his season-bests in most stats (except walks) that appear in his line. He threw 57 of 85 pitches for strikes and had a 10/4 GO/FO line. Through six innings he was matched by the Athletics' 30-year-old DiNardo, who had five starts in the majors last year.
AA: Richmond defeated Bowie 4-1
Richmond: LF Clay Timpner: 1 for 3, 2B, 2 SO
Richmond: 2B Nick Noonan: 1 for 3, HR, SO
Richmond: SP Daryl Maday: 6.0 IP, 9 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 5 K--1 WP
Richmond: RP Andy Sisco: 2.0 IP, 1 BB, 4 K
While no one reached base twice for the Flying Squirrels, Noonan did hit his 1st HR. He hit 7 HRs a year ago. Timper had his 6th double and threw out a runner at the plate.
Maday won his fourth straight start, during which time he has allowed only two runs. He did allow nine hits today, which as many as he had allowed in his previous three starts combined. That raised his BAA to just .208. Today was also his first start in which he has had more fly outs than ground outs. Sisco struck out four of the seven batters he faced.
A+: San Jose lost to Modesto 8-1
(with all nine runs scored in the game coming in the 9th inning)
San Jose: 2B Charlie Culberson: 2 for 4, HR, 2 SO
San Jose: DH Brandon Belt: 0 for 2, 2 BB
San Jose: SP Aaron King: 5.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 10 K--1 HB, 1 WP
San Jose: RP Jason Stoffel: 0.1 IP, 6 H, 7 R, 6 ER
Culberson led off the bottom of the 9th inning to avoid the shutout. It was his 2nd HR of the year, and the two hits lifted Culberson's AVG above the Mendoza line. Drawing both of the Giants' two walks, Belt was the only other Giant to reach base twice.
Strinking out ten of the nineteen batters he faced, King had his best start of the year. He had just 11 K in his previous three starts. Over his four starts, his peripherals stats are now 13 H, 10 BB, and 21 K in 17.1 IP. Thus, the K/BB ratio is now over 2.00. Stoffel had his worst pro appearance, retiring just one of the eight batter he faced. His ERA ballooned from 0.00 to 7.71.
A-: Augusta had their first scheduled off-day of the season
(Their next scheduled off-day is May 11.)
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Damn. Rohlingers line is sick.
Nice to see King with the Ks.
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by Gobroks on May 2, 2010 8:57 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I’m starting to think he could be a darkhorse SS candidate for next season.
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by Speedforthewin on May 3, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
He’s a natural 3B and while a very good defensive player, I’m really skeptical that he’d have the range to play SS on an everyday basis at the major league level. His bat would certainly play well there, though.
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I seem to remember he can be somewhat servicable there. If he could play there, it would be great for the Giants. His bat seems too good to waste on just being a utility player, though he could be good there.
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by Speedforthewin on May 3, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Rohlinger's bat?
His minor league line isn’t exactly stellar. He’s not the kind of guy who can sacrifice defense for his bat.
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I should have clarified. By “bat”, I meant “contact bat”. He has been hitting similarly to Posey this season, while showing good command of the strike zone (12K, 11 BB). While he doesn’t have the upside that Posey does, I think he could hit in the majors, even if it’s a little empty.
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by Speedforthewin on May 3, 2010 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you’ve got a SSS alert there. Rohlinger’s career K/BB don’t really show that. Last year he was 90/42 and on his MiLB career it’s 283/189. He’s never had outrageous K years, but he’s pretty consistently struck out about one in every 7 PA through his MiLB career.
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I’ll concede that I’m buying in to him. He’s just looked really good thus far, and I he’s been solid over the past 2 seasons. I’m optimistic.
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by Speedforthewin on May 4, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I like him as a utility guy (more than Downs FWIW)
but I don’t think he’ll hit enough to be a starter. I think Uribe is brought back to be the stopgap for Brandon Crawford
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Um, wow. Not a good night for Stoffel, eh?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on May 2, 2010 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions
So, I'm happy that Bumgarner's velocity is up and he's having success again
But the strikeouts are still a concern for me. At this point, it looks like he will be a successful major league pitcher. However, it looks like he’ll be more Kirk Rueter than Randy Johnson.
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FWIW, Bumgarner is still striking out more guys than Rueter did in AAA!
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Well, yeah
Rueter’s not a perfect comparison. But it wasn’t meant to be a perfect comparison
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It's an interesting comparison if nothing else
Rueter actually got a lot of strike outs in the lower minors; the bottom fell out of those totals, but he still became a very useful Major Leaguer. Of course, his K numbers fell for different reasons, but I’d be happy if Bumgarner ended up having Rueter’s career.
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I would rather he have Nolan Ryan's career
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Speaking of which
I looked at his BR page just for fun, he once had a season where he struck out 367 batters and didn’t even have a 2/1 K/BB rate. Jesus, I had no idea he threw so many walks.
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That’s why though is the hardest pitcher in history to hit against (lowest career BAA of all time), he’s not in the top 100 for career ERA. That’s what walks will do to you.
Well into the late 1980s, Ryan had never had a start in his career in which he didn’t have at least 1 walk. I’m not sure if he ever broke that streak or not.
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Ryan was kind of a freak. Both because he was able to be successful at all given his control and his approach, and because his arm never fell off.
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and re: never having a start without at least one walk
He did it at least once – the next-to-last start of his career. September 17, 1993. 7 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 5 K.
His last start was a disaster – he allowed 5 runs without getting an out. That start raised his season ERA from 4.21 to 4.88.
Looks like he had a few starts here and there without walks in the 90s.
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There was a recent article on him...
…I think maybe it was on FanGraphs? Anyway, it said he had six no-walk games, which is (preposterously) fewer than his seven no-hit games.
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by Rick Parker (Lewis) Can't Lose on May 4, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I’d guess it’s more his lack of secondary pitches. He’ll get by on his fastball, even K a few on it, but until he gets that changeup/curveball/slider/whatever, he’s pitching more to contact.
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by theghostofjasonellison on May 2, 2010 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
Whatever the Giants did to help Timmy with his change could we just repeat that process? that seemed to turn out pretty well…
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by Smoke on the Water on May 2, 2010 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions
How about Zito?
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Good point. Some good secondary stuff would be nice to see. I’m feeling less pessimistic about him now. He’s 20, he has time to develop some offspeed stuff.
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by giantsfansince1981 on May 3, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Definitely, but I kinda wish they had sent him to Richmond to start the season (and not just so I could go watch him pitch). I think AA would be a better place for him to develop some offspeed stuff instead of AAA, but if they demote him, it might mess with whatever confidence Sabean has let him keep.
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by theghostofjasonellison on May 3, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
They might have wanted to keep him on the same side of the country as Tidrow.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 3, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
The Sabean - Bum comments
Accomplished two things. First, if they think he neds to work harder, it got that point across. He obviously was not ready when he got to camp. It doesn’t matter what the reason. This is baseball. He’s 20 and he needs to learn what it takes to be successful. Second, it help put to rest any indication that he was hurt.
Sabean deserves criticism for a lot of things, but not his these comments. Madbum had the job – and he blew it.
He got married
He was entering into the next phase of his personal life. Secondly, the drop off in velocity happened last year and is one of the main reason’s for why he was getting hit in AAA, so it was a foolish plan to write him in as the #5 starter at the beginning of the year.
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The only people I had seen writing him in were fans and publications whose writers probably see the Giants in person maybe once or twice a season.
The way the team treated Pucetas, Martinez and even signed Wellemeyer (despite denying initially that he’d be part of the competition) seemed to indicated clearly to me they’d done anything but make a decision before the start of the offseason, and were planning a competition.
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by BruteSentiment on May 3, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
That may be true (I'm not sure) but I was replying to
Madbum had the job – and he blew it
But I do hope that Sabean and Bochy were smart enough to know MadBum needed some seasoning in AAA
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at least his GB/FB rate is up
although SSS.
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by Gobroks on May 2, 2010 11:04 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
STOP MISHANDLING POSEY
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Me wants the good Belt guy back not this weekend impostor.
Maybe Dick Tidrow needs to take a trip to AA Richmond and see if he can find the Magic Inside he instilled in Madison Bumgarner to the Flying Squirrel hitters. I knew AA was hard but really.
2 walks =/= bad
belt still doing pretty well. That’s awesome
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This year Randy Winn will become a winner. On the plus side, I think I read somewhere that we signed Angel Berroa and he became a winner last year.
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if you were a player, would you rather be an important everyday player on a good team, or win a ring warming the bench for a great team? I’m sure Randy Winn will be happy if the Yankees win the World Series, but if he only bats 50 times, will he really feel like a world champion?
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I wouldn’t feel like a champion in that situation, no. And I think I can say that pretty accurately because I was once a bench jockey who virtually never saw an AB on team that was a state JC champ. The celebrating felt pretty hollow to me, yes. On the other hand — I did get a free two week trip to Hawaii during winter break out of being a member of that team.
Of course, you might be stretching it a bit to say that Winn was an important everyday player on a “good team”. When he was truly important, they were never good. And when they were kinda good last year, his importance lay only in dragging the team down.
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Huuge sigh of relief from me WRT Bumgarner
he’s still only 20, which is insanely young for AAA, and he’s holding his own after a rough start. I think a transitional period was to be expected, and he’s got plenty of time to work on developing stuff to compliment his FB. The fact that he can still have an outing like this even with basically one pitch (LOL ROMO MIRITE) makes me berry berry happy.
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I like his rebound. After his first two outing of 7 IP and 21 hits surrendered he then picks it up to only allow 9 hits in 17 IP in his next three starts after “discussion” with Tidrow.
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by Josh from Hollywood on May 3, 2010 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Good in bed.
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by giantsfansince1981 on May 3, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
yea it's definitely good to hear that his FB is picking up life
Fresno radio guy has had him 91-94(mostly 91-92) through his last couple starts, Fangraphs guy had him at 88-92, while touching 94, at the outing he attended. He’s got a ton of time to develop secondary stuff, no need to rush him.
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Is any of this for real, in the sense of making him a plausible candidate for a role on the big club?
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I can’t see that he was ever listed in the Yankees Top 30 prospects, and looking at his numbers, even when he was young he never put up very good k rates. Looks like he must have some major arm injuries in his past as he didn’t pitch at all in 2006 and returned to A ball in both his age 24 and 25 seasons. Interestingly, he’s posting by far the best K rates of his career right now — he’s mostly been a 5 or 6/9 guy in his minor league career, a far cry from the 10.0 he’s putting up right now. Seems most likely to be a bit of a mirage, but if his velocity is really up where the reports are, I can see a long reliever/Brandon Meddars role for him if things broke right.
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I think he was middle reliever before this year
and this is his first time starting…He has an outside shot of being a serviceable long reliever.
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But I did know his historical stats (and he was listed for a couple of years as the Yankees #28 and/or #29 prospect by I forget whom).
I was just wondering if anyone had either or both of eyeball reports or more detailed current inside info.
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After 1 month, here are the stats for Alderson and Barnes
Tim Alderson, Altoona Curve (AA): 4 GS, (2-0), 5.49 ERA, 19.2 IP, 6 BB, 7 K, 4 HRA
Scott Barnes, Akron Aeros (AA): 5 GS, (0-3), 8.71 ERA, 20.1 IP, 14 BB, 19 K, 4 HRA
Both have had one great start so far in the season. The trades were still horrible, but it looks like they are falling off. The only good sign is Barnes’ K rate, but the walk rate is extremely high. I wonder if the Giants just luck out, or if they actually have a good feel for which pitchers to trade.
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They might, but then again, Joe Nathan and Francisco Liriano would be nice to have. I think the Giants do a decent job understanding their pitching, when to trade someone because of development or injury concerns. Then, they make some just silly trades. F. Sanchez, really? Pierzynski? There’s so little upside there that keeping every pitcher involved would have been a better move, even if they tanked.
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by giantsfansince1981 on May 3, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I was also thinking about the Ponson trade as well. Bad trade, but the Giants managed to give up nothing of consequence.
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by Speedforthewin on May 3, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
and they got nothing of consequence…
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 3, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Value for value.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 3, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
And, to your point, if the Giants can identify these pitchers before others can, if they could make better trades, we could have had a few steals on our hands. As it is, the Giants just barely end up with a wash of a trade.
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by Speedforthewin on May 3, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
I get the feeling that if we had traded Alderson and Barnes for more pitching, we’d be happier with the results.
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Definitely. And if we’d traded them for a couple good offensive pieces (or at least kept Garko) we’d be happier.
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by giantsfansince1981 on May 3, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
This is true, but the starts to both of their seasons suggests that the general suckiness displayed by both following their promotions to the upper minors may be a trend.
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by Speedforthewin on May 3, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
That was my point. This season’s results come with a SSS disclaimer, but they back up what we were seeing in the 2nd half last season.
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by Speedforthewin on May 3, 2010 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions
They have a good feel for which pitchers to trade. Their trade history under Sabean-Tidrow kinda bears that out with the pitchers they have traded away. You can list on one hand the ones that became quality pitchers with the team that acquired them. Prospects that is.
Nathan I don’t really count since he kinda was already establishing himself as a quality reliever by the time we traded him.
Howry, Foulke, Liriano. That’s about it.
Not to make too big a deal out of it, but one thing that bothers me about this line of argument is that they seem to be given the benefit of the doubt on both ends of the bargain. A lot of draft people thought Alderson was an overdraft where we took him, but people say “well they know pitching, let’s give them the benefit of the doubt.” Two years later we’re giving him away, and people say “they know pitching let’s give them the benefit of the doubt.” It just seems to me that in at least one end or the other of that sequence of events, their evaluation was more suspect than some people are willing to admit.
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They kinda deserve the benefit of the doubt when it comes to pitchers, and in both ways IMO. They have drafted very well with pitchers have they not? They also have done a good job when it comes to trading away pitchers. It stands to reason that those who they trade away LIKELY will have been drafted by them. I’d rather they cut bait before it’s too late than hold onto a guy who will flame out.
We’re talking about prospects here. Evaluating them isn’t easy.
Doesn't Alderson also have Missing Velocity-itis like MadBum?
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Speaking of Alderson
He’ll be going tonight against Richmond. I’ll be there and report on what I see/think.
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That’s cool, how’s the new stadium? I’m hoping to make a trip out there soon, but finals are coming up for me so I don’t have a ton of time until after that. Plus, I don’t really want to go while it seems like that entire team has cold bats
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by theghostofjasonellison on May 3, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
The stadium is interesting. Surprisingly windy. It’s a flat part of town to start with, but the stadium’s tall, concrete stands cause the wind to swirl. Putting it simply, Fresno is a 3-deck stadium, but from the field, Richmond feels taller from field to top of the roof. Holes and notches in the stadium (such as walkways) are makeshift wind tunnels. Yesterday, there was a strong enough breeze in the outfield blowing right to left to have the flags fully extended, but in the third base dugout (actually in the dugout, not next to it), there was enough of a breeze blowing left to right to take a player’s cap off. The stands are mostly not windy, so it’s not uncomfortable, but pop flies can be tricky.
I’ll do a fuller analysis later this week.
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by BruteSentiment on May 3, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
That sounds crazy. I drove by it on a roadtrip I took, and thought the stadium looked nice for a minor league stadium. I’m excited to check it out!
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Adopted parent of good old Wendell, he tries so hard. You'll get a hit someday son!
by theghostofjasonellison on May 3, 2010 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I know he is old, but...
Joe Borchard ishaving a monster season in Fresno. He just hit for the cycle…
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