minor lines, 5/17/10
by steve S on May 17, 2010 10:22 PM PDT
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PrintJust one real highlight from the Giants farm on Monday: Madison Bumgarner pitched a seven-inning shutout. Also notable, Kevin Pucetas nearly had a seven-inning shutout too, and three GreenJackets pitchers combined for a shutout.
AAA: Fresno defeated Oklahoma City 3-2 (7 innings) in game 1
Fresno: 2B Freddy Sanchez: 0 for 2, 2 BB, 2 SO, CS
Fresno: C Buster Posey: 1 for 3, BB
Fresno: LF Jesus Guzman: 1 for 1, 2B, BB, SH, SB
Oklahoma City: SS Gregorio Petit: 2 for 3, 2B, BB, SO
Fresno: SP Kevin Pucetas: 6.2 IP, 8 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 5 K
Fresno: RP Waldis Joaquin: 0.1 IP, 1 H, 1 BB
Posey, Sanchez, and Guzman each reached base twice. Pettit, whom the Rangers acquired from the Athletics before the season, reached base three times.
Pucetas come within one out of the complete game shutout. Both runs charged to his record scored after he left the game. Joaquin retired just one of three batters faced as he threw just 4 of 11 pitches for strikes, but he was still credited with his 1st save. Pucetas had 10 BB and 10 K in his first four starts but has had 4 BB and 16 K in his four starts since.
AAA: Fresno defeated Oklahoma City 1-0 (7 innings) in game 2
Fresno: 3B Brock Bond: 0 for 1, 2 BB, CS
Fresno: RF Joe Borchard: 0 for 3, 3 SO
Fresno: SP Madison Bumgarner: 7.0 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 8 K
Oklahoma City: RP Tanner Scheppers: 2.0 IP, 1 BB, 2 K
Bond was the only Grizzly to reach base twice. Borchard struck out in all three plate appearances.
Bumgarner had perhaps his best start of the year with the complete game shutout. It was at least his longest start of the year as it was his first time to even pitch into the 7th inning. His 8 K easily surpassed the 5 K in his previous start, which had been his season high. With just 6 ER allowed over his last six starts, he has lowered his ERA to 3.64 after allowing 11 ER in his first two starts. Scheppers, whom the Rangers drafted 44th overall a year ago, has proven to be one of the top pitching prospects in baseball. In ten appearances this year (four in the PCL), he has 8 H, 6 BB, 2 R, and 30 K in 19.0 IP.
AA: Richmond had a scheduled off-day
(Their next scheduled off-day is June 7, three weeks from today.)
A+: San Jose defeated Bakersfield 5-3
San Jose: CF Francisco Peguero: 2 for 4, 2B, SO
San Jose: C Johnny Monell: 2 for 4, SO
San Jose: SP Craig Westcott: 6.0 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, 3 K--1 HR, 1 WP
San Jose: RP Jason Stoffel: 1.0 IP, 1 H, 1 BB, 1 K
Peguero and Monell were two of four Giants with two hits each, raising their respective AVGs to .293 and .237.
Westcott completed 6.0 IP for the first time this year. Through seven starts his ERA is just 1.30. Stoffell allowed a couple baserunners but otherwise pitched a scoreless 9th inning for his 6th save.
A-: Augusta defeated Savannah 3-0
Augusta: 2B Ryan Cavan: 2 for 3, 2 2B, BB, 2 E
Augusta: 3B Chris Dominguez: 2 for 3, BB, SB
Savannah: 3B Jefrey Marte: 1 for 2, 2B, 2 BB
Augusta: SP Jeremy Toole: 4.0 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 4 BB, 0 K
Augusta: RP Chris Gloor: 2.0 IP, 1 H, 2 K--1 WP
Dominguez and Cavan each reached base three times. Cavan had his 12th and 13th doubles but also his 7th and 8th errors. The Mets' 18-year-old Marte also reached base three times, but his OPS remains below .700 in his second Sally League season.
Toole pitched a four scoreless innings in his start in four weeks, although he did issue four walks. Gloor faced the minimum six batters in the 8th and 9th innings for his 2nd save.
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Madison Bumgarner is a Beast
You were right, Sabes. Hope you patent that move. Now get a hitting coach out to AA Richmond to fix them batters.
All MadBum needed was a healthy dose of Dick
(Tidrow)
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on May 17, 2010 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions
...while the Giants continue to take it (and LIKE IT) from Clayton Richard.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on May 18, 2010 2:37 AM PDT up reply actions
fuck yeah
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
seems like Freddy Sanchez is ready for the jump to AA for his final test before the majors.
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 17, 2010 10:30 PM PDT reply actions
I know a lot people make fun of that comment however I believe you get a truer reading on a prospect in AA.
the jump from A+ to AA seems to be quite significant (and probably more than the jump from AA to AAA), but that doesn’t mean there isn’t value in evaluating players against AAA competition as AAA has a lot more guys who have actually played in the majors, even if ultimately they are 4A players.
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 17, 2010 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
A prospect, yes
A guy rehabbing, no.
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Grab Some Pine, Meat
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by Gobroks on May 17, 2010 10:49 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
It's true that AAA is full of players whose ceiling is AAA
However, there are also plenty of players in AA whose ceiling will ultimately turn out to be AA.
Adoptive parent of Kevin Frandsen, now stopping gaps in...Anaheim?
by EliminateMe on May 18, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
if aaa pitching sux...then freddy should not be returned to the show
he went 0-5 for the dh and is batting 222
12 mil down the drain
12 mil down the drain
It didn’t take him batting 222 in 3A for this to be true…
Please tell me we have moved past the dark ages of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
by Yeti Monster on May 17, 2010 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Fuck Freddy Sanchez
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by capn on May 17, 2010 10:59 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Thank you MadBum
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95 pitches for Mad Bum
only 57 for strikes, though
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 17, 2010 10:48 PM PDT reply actions
Only 2 BB and 3 H though, so yeah, he probably had a lot of 2 and 3 ball counts, but he was still getting guys out. IMO, that’s a good sign if he doesn’t break down and give up the walk or leave one out over the plate when he loses count leverage. 95 pitches through 7 innings is just fine, and probably better than fine when you consider 8 K is a lot of pitches and those ball drove his pitch count up. Throwing a three-hit shutout when you don’t have your A game is Lincecum-esque.
Goodbye, Steven Johnson, we hardly knew ye. Seriously, that was short.
Anyone know MadBum’s velocity on the night?
Also:
Good: The Bomber, Pucetas, Dominguez stealing home
Bad: Velez back on the 25 man
Ugly: Petco Park
Please tell me we have moved past the dark ages of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
It’s been reported over the last couple weeks from a guy on fangraphs and some guy that works at the stadium that he’s been in the low 90s, while touching mid 90s.
which is better, right?
He was high 80s touching low 90s when he was in SF, iirc?
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by natteringnabob on May 18, 2010 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions
I think so. Maybe the magic disappearing velocity has returned. I’m not up to my previous high expectations of him, but I’m feeling much better. Do we know if he’s working on a curveball or another offspeed pitch? Maybe an effus pitch. I would laugh my ass off if I saw Bumgarner throw an effus pitch.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on May 18, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
That's "eephus pitch"
An “eff-us pitch” is anything thrown by a guy in a Padres uniform.
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by EliminateMe on May 18, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Damn – I was wondering how that was spelled. Should have googled it.
I hate the Padres right now.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on May 18, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
The reports of him learning/using a cutter have been encouraging. That pitch can be very effective.
He has a slurvy-tupe breaking pitch (or at least he had one when I saw him in San Jo). When he threw in the bigs last year, he looked like he tightened it up a bit. I’m not sure how much he throws it now or how successful he has been with it.
I hope he develops a change. I think he could succeed with a fastball, cutter, and change with the slider as a show-me.
Please tell me we have moved past the dark ages of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
by Yeti Monster on May 18, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
I love the changeup. I think it’s my favorite pitch.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on May 18, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
+1
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on May 18, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
On the topic of pitch types, I always got confused about the different kinds of fastballs. Just from what I’ve read, it seems a sinker is a two-seam fastball. So how do you hold a cutter that makes it different? Further, I remember watching games where Greg Maddux pitched, and he would always throw a fastball that looked like it was going to hit the batter, but it tailed back over the inside of the plate at the last second. Nasty pitch, but the announcers always called it a sinker. Were they wrong, or is a sinker one that has downward AND some side-to-side movement? And if so, what the hell is a cutter??
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by theghostofjasonellison on May 18, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
As I understand it, all fastballs will have at least some side-to-side movement, since nobody throws perfectly over the top. Almost always, a right-handed pitcher’s fastball will break toward a right-handed hitter. (This applies to all fastball-type pitches and even changeups.)
Maddux was a special case. Various analysts, during games that I watched when Maddux was pitching, claimed that he could adjust the pressure he applied with either his index or middle finger in such a way that he could cause his fastball to break in either direction. I’m not sure if that mechanical explanation is correct or if he actually changed his grip (so he sometimes threw a cutter, other times a sinker), but at any rate it seemed to be the case that his “fastball” sometimes tailed in and sometimes moved away.
I always thought you moved your thumb from side to side a little…
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by Johnny Disaster on May 18, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I believe the sinker and cutter are held the same, essentially making them the same pitch. The different movement types (vertical v. horizontal) can be exaggerated by use of “pressure points” on the baseball and slight changes of arm angle, grip, and thumb placement.*
- I was a catcher, not a pitcher, so most of what I just said stems from listening to others. If someone actually pitched, please elaborate further or just tell me to shut up.
Please tell me we have moved past the dark ages of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
by Yeti Monster on May 18, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
godamn auto format
Please tell me we have moved past the dark ages of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
by Yeti Monster on May 18, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
"catcher and not a pitcher"
hey, whatever gets you through the night.
kinda walked into that one, huh
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by Yeti Monster on May 18, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
That pitch you’re referring to which Maddux threw was indeed a “sinker”, or two-seam fastball — they typically break down and toward the pitchers arm-side (from a RHP like Maddux it would break into a RHB, or away from a LHB). And you’re right, he generally threw it right at a hitter’s belt buckle and allowed the movement to take it back over the plate, but also down — usually to about knee high. Some pitchers like Maddux throw sinkers with so much movement, it appears to act like a slider thrown from an opposite-handed pitcher (You may notice Mike Krukow often describes Brandon Webb’s sinker as looking like “A left-handed slider”).
Though taliesin is correct above that most fastballs move at least somewhat (unless you’re Brett Tomko), four-seam fastballs are generally stright, with just the pitcher’s natural movement affecting — i.e. not the grip.
A cut fastball (like Brian Wilson’s for example) has the opposite movement of a sinker — breaking into a LHB from a RHP, or vice-versa. As with Wilson’s, or Mariano Rivera’s, the movement of a cutter is often much that of a slider — not only moving right to left, but also downward (which is one reason why so many people have a hard time differentiating his cutter from a slider (much like the way people used to call Robb Nen’s slider a “split finger” because the bottom dropped out of it so suddenly, it appeared toi go straight down).
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by Josh from Hollywood on May 18, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow, lots of typos. I are not gud at riting.
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by Josh from Hollywood on May 18, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh that’s really cool, thanks for the reply!
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by theghostofjasonellison on May 19, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Mad Bum did a great job but...
you failed to mention how they got their one run – any hits?
The thing is, he exists.
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by Josh from Hollywood on May 18, 2010 1:04 AM PDT up reply actions
I hope he doesn't make me pull out the POOOOOOO-cetas
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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My son is Madison Bumgarner, the Spacebat of pitching prospects. My other son is a Porsche.
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I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on May 18, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
According to Rotoworld, Bumgarner has added a new cut fastball and used it quite a bit last night.
Whoa. I am slowly moving away from the Foppert group.
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by Natto on May 18, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
He gets to throw from a horse? That would explain any velocity return.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on May 18, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
“Dammit Barry. Where did you go? Running is futile, just return the horn”
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by say hey nation on May 18, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Nice.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on May 18, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Foppert comparison was a bit unfair
as Jesse wasn’t 20. Still, it was worrisome when Bum dropped into the mid 80’s. If he’s high 80’s low 90’s with movement, a cutter and solid off speed stuff, then it looks like we have a keeper. If he’s got .ow to mid 90’s with cutter etc, then we may have something special.
I think that’s important to remember. Bumgarner is still really young. Dude can’t even drink yet (and I’m sure he doesn’t). He has time to develop good offspeed stuff, and the velocity may yet return. Honestly, seeing him the majors at 22 would still be pretty nice, so there’s no immediate rush. Having good major league pitching now helps avoid rushing him.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on May 18, 2010 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Not according to Sabean.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on May 18, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
he also leaves the toilet seat up.
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 18, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Gets married in offseason
Bad Soldier.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Bigamy for the loss!
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on May 18, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t. I’d like to see him spend a whole year at AAA developing secondary pitches. If he does that more quickly than I expect, then maybe bring him up, but I think Bumgarner’s development will be better if he stays in AAA all year. Even if Wellermeyer sucks.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on May 18, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I could go either way here. If the guy continues to pitch the way he has, and we are still in a pennant race in a few months, we pretty much have to call him up.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
He has been good not great
I don’t think his recent performance 1.80 ERA, 0.98 WHIP with a K/BB of 2.18 and a K9 of 6.1 really profiles as a 1 or even 2 in the major leagues. He might be a suitable 4 or 5 if he sustained this performance come August. But I don’t trust MiLB ERA’s. I trust the peripheral numbers a lot more, and his K rate and K/BB just aren’t quite good enough, and really those numbers haven’t quite been good enough since he got called up to AA. The dude is young and has time. No need to rush him. Wellemeyer has been improving and really isn’t the problem anyway.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
His stats look a lot like Zach Duke's MiLB stats
since moving to AA.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
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