The Ballad of Kimothy Emil Batiste
If I'm known for any one thing on McCovey Chronicles (other than the rage meme), it's probably my fascination with/fixation on one Kim Batiste, member of the 1996 Giants, and before that a member of the Phillies. Of course, there are other things I'm obsessed with that come up here: Will Clark, for example, or music, or literature. But Batiste draws the most attention and LOLs because it's so damned random. Most any Giants fan of my generation is obsessed with Will Clark, but Batiste? He was a backup player for the Giants for just one season nearly fifteen years ago. He didn't even reach 150 plate appearances with the Giants. I've said a thing or two from time to time about why his Giants tenure still sticks in my craw, but now, finally, I want to tell the whole tale in convenient fanpost form.
First, some quick background on our friend Kimothy. Prior to his season with the Giants, he had played for parts of four seasons with the Phillies. In 1993, he had a career year of sorts - a whopping .282 batting average being the highlight (his full line - .282 / .298 / .436 - was quite poor, as was his 29 strikeouts and 3 walks in 161 plate appearances - but this was still the relative dark ages of stats, so it was easy just to notice the decent BA and think he'd had a good year). In 1994, however, he was incredibly terrible - one of the worst seasons you're ever likely to see. He posted a 34 OPS+ in 214 plate appearances. His line was an anemic .234 / .239 / .278. He struck out 32 times and walked just once. He managed just seven extra base hits - six of them doubles - all year. After that, the Phillies seemed to pretty much give up on him - he spent 1995 in AAA, and he lost his 40-man roster spot. Midway through 1995, he was released and resurfaced in the Orioles organization.
After the 1995 season, the Giants' front office dropped some hints that they had their eyes on someone in the Rule 5 Draft. A real diamond in the rough, reports said. Not some low-minors guy who wouldn't make it past spring training, but someone who could contribute right away. The news was welcome, because the team was in a sorry state. They had Matt Williams and Barry Bonds, but that was about it. Robby Thompson was breaking down from injuries. Will Clark's void had been filled with such immortal legends as Todd Benzinger, J.R. Phillips, and Steve Scarsone. The pitching was dreadful - the previous year, the team signed Terry Mulholland, coming off 6.49 ERA year with the Yankees, as their "ace." It was bleak, and the team felt a million years away from the 103 win season of 1993. The Giants needed all the help they could get, and if they could grab a useful player for next-to-nothing via Rule 5, it would certainly be welcome.
And then - Kimothy. This was their diamond in the rough. A man with, to that point, 87 major league strike outs and 9 walks. A man whose Major League OBP hadn't exceeded .300 in four partial Major League season. A man who was coming off a year, split between AA and two AAA teams, had posted a line of .283 / .309 / .407 - as a 27 year old. And, what's more, he was mainly a third baseman - one of the few positions where the Giants didn't have a pressing need. THIS was the diamond in the rough!?
Now, 1996, Batiste's season with the Giants, was a big year for me. My family moved from the East Bay to New Jersey in August of 1989, and we'd been there ever since. We missed the Loma Prieta earthquake - saw it happen on tv from 3,000 miles away - and the Bay Bridge World Series. Saw that on tv too, of course, but back in those days there was no Gameday Audio, no mlb.tv, no millions of games on cable. If you were an out-of-town fan, you got to see your team a few times a year, either when they were playing the team local to where you lived, or when network tv decided to carry them. Otherwise, you just got the box score the next day. And if you were a Giants fan on the east coast, you often didn't even get that - a west coast night game on Monday wouldn't make it into the paper until Wednesday. But in January of 1996, at long last, I moved back to the Bay Area. Suddenly, I could suddenly listen to every Giants game on KNBR and watch many of them on Channel 2 (at the time, others were only televised on SportsChannel, which was premium). And, while my family had visited the Bay Area each summer during the New Jersey exile, and I'd made it to at least one game per season, I now got to go to a lot more. It meant a long BART trip and then a long bus ride to Candlestick, but compared to being 3000 miles away, it was paradise.
Except for the team being terrible. As I mentioned, 1994 and 1995 were bad years, but 1996 took the cake. The Giants were outscored by 110 points and came within six losses of reaching the 100 loss plateau for just the second time in over a century of organizational history. They were overshadowed somewhat by the historically bad Detroit Tigers, who lost 109 and gave up 1103 runs - that's nearly seven runs per game. But still, it was bleak.
As the season progressed, Kim Batiste's numbers were bleak, too. He made the team out of spring training - and went on to post a .139 / .184 / .222 line in the first half. What's more, he was an absolute butcher defensively. It doesn't matter how you measure defense - fielding percentage, new-fangled stats, or just eyeball observation - all agreed that he was brutally bad at third base. Now, these days we often like to say Eugenio Velez is a player who isn't good at anything. Can't hit, can't field, is fast but can't run the bases. With Batiste, take that and multiply it by about thirty. Velez is actually a decent measuring stick for Batiste, because they have about the same number of Major League plate appearances at this point - 684 for Batiste, 662 for Velez. Batiste in 1996 was also pretty much the exact same age as Velez is now.
Think Velez lacks patience? He's walked 37 times so far - Batiste had 14. Think he strikes out too much? Velez has 105 strike outs - Batiste had 120. Batting average? Velez .259, Batiste .234. Power? Velez has an ISO of 135 - Batiste's was 115. Fielding Percentage and Total Zone as have Batiste as a much worse defender than Velez. So if you haven't been around long enough to remember Batiste, think of Velez - and imagine someone worse in every measurable way.
By May, his performance was so terrible that the Giants cut their losses on him and took him off the 25-man roster. Now, as a Rule 5 pick, Batiste had to clear waivers, and then be offered back to his previous team for half the money the Giants originally paid for him. He did, indeed, clear waivers - LOL Bocock - and the Orioles took one look and him and said, "You know, just keep him." He went to the Phoenix Firebirds - the Giants' AAA affiliate at the time.
And, for some reason, he came back up. He was a bit better in the second half - he got that line up to a heart .234 / .255 / .362. But yeah.
Now, one random thing to know about baseball in 1996 is that teams had actual webpages - they weren't just subdivisions of mlb.com yet. At one point during the season, they had a special offer - fill out a survey and you'd get a free Giants mousepad and vouchers for two free tickets. So I did, and I decided to use one of my vouchers for a doubleheader at the 'Stick against the Pirates, because hey, two games for the price of (n)one!
I lived to regret it. Put it this way: I've left three games early in my life. The first was a night game at Yankee Stadium when I was five or so. The game went on forever, and we had a long drive back to Princeton afterwards. After about four hours of baseball, we headed out - and when we got back to Princeton, the game was still going on. The second was a Giants-Dodgers doubleheader at the 'Stick in, I believe, 1988. The Giants lost both games, and the crowd got drunk and rowdy to the point of near-riot - by the second game, dozens of brawlers were being thrown out, and some bleacher fans were trying to climb onto the field to go after Dodgers players. We left partway through game two because we felt unsafe. Anyway, both of those games, leaving early wasn't my decision: it was my dad's call. But this doubleheader in 1996 was the only game I have ever chosen to leave early.
The first game was terribly dull. The Pirates went up 4-0 after three innings, and the Giants were never really in the game. Despite 10 hits, they only score one run. The second game, though, that was what killed me. It featured an almost Opening Day 2008-esque lineup of horrors, save for Bonds:
1) Dax Jones CF
2) Bill Mueller 2B
3) Glenallen Hill RF
4) Barry Bonds LF
5) Dave McCarty 1B
6) Steve Scarsone 3B
7) Marcus Jensen C
8) Jay Canizaro SS
9) Steve Bourgeios RHP
Bourgeios was something of an interesting story - in 1994, he was a replacement player. Generally, replacement guys were blackballed the next year - the Giants had called one up earlier in the season, but he never played because several Giants threatened to walk out on the team if he was allowed to take the field. Bourgeios was an exception, though - he had some sort of family situation (an ill mother or something like this), and had to take the work as a replacement player to support his family) - so his teammates accepted him. At the time, he was something of a favorite on alt.sports.baseball.sf-giants, though he didn't work out in the end.
Anyway. This game, unlike the first, was absolutely crushing. It was close most of the way - the Giants trailed 1-0, 2-1, and then 4-1 and 5-1. In the bottom of the ninth, however, the Giants rallied and scored four runs to tie it up. The crowd, while typically mid-90s-Candlestick-small, and had been quiet all day, but after that ninth, the place was rocking...
...and then the top of the tenth inning happened. One run. Two runs. Four runs. SIX RUNS. All of a sudden, this game the Giants had rallied to tie at 5-5 was 11-5, with 4 runs charged to Jim Poole and 2 to Rich DeLucia. Finally, DeLucia induced a 5-4-3 double play to end the misery. At that point, the crowd was just shellshocked. After sitting through nearly seven hours of horrible baseball between two abysmal teams, after getting our hopes raised by the ninth inning rally, it was beyond crushing. I stood up and, for the first and only time in my life, chose to leave a game early.
But I couldn't escape. I had to take a Ballpark Express bus back to Balboa Park BART, and since it was specifically a ballpark bus, it couldn't leave until the game was over. So I sat down and commiserated with a number of other horrified diehard fans. One of them - an older woman wearing a Giants cap covered in dozens of pins - turned on a portable radio to listen to the miserable end. But then something happened: another magical rally started taking shape. Marvin Benard hit a single. Rick Wilkins walked. Bill Mueller walked. Bases loaded, nobody out, and Barry Bonds on deck!
They scored a couple of runs, but were still down by three with two outs. Rich Aurilia, then a struggling but promising player - think John Bowker - came up. "This'll be it," the woman with the radio said. "He's gonna ground out." But no: he hit a line drive single, and all of a sudden, the Giants were within two runs with runners on first and third. Jay Canizaro was due up, but he was a sub-.200 rookie, so Dusty Baker went to the bench - for Mr. Kimothy Batiste. Of course, Batiste was also hitting about .200, and he had gone 0-4 in the first game of the doubleheader, but after eighteen innings of baseball, the bench was awfully thin. We all sat at the edge of our seats in the bus, waiting, hoping.
Strike one. Strike two. Ball one. And then, the pitch - strike three, swinging, at a pitch far out of the zone. After all that, the game was over with the potential tying runs on base and the potential winning run at the plate. he flailed at a crap pitch - a pitch nobody could have hit, a pitch that never would have been called a strike, with the game on the line.
Something inside of me broke, sitting on that bus. I stewed the whole way back to Balboa Park BART, and then the whole way back to Orinda, where I lived at the time, on the train. I hadn't been fond of Batiste before that - what with him being terrible and all - but that one at bat did it. That was when Kim Batiste entered my psyche and never really left.
Eleven days later, Batiste played his last game as a Giant. He went 1-5 with a home run - but then, it was Coors Field. It was just his third home run of the year and the tenth of his career. He finished the year with a line of .208 / .235 / .323 in 136 plate appearances.
He never played in the Major Leagues again. The Giants released him unconditionally over the offseason, and he didn't even manage to land a Minor League gig in 1997. He returned for a tour of the independent leagues from 1998-2001, but no Major League team ever signed him again.
I still remember him, though. I don't have any real enmity against the man - he could be the greatest guy you'll ever meet for all I know - but he was the single worst ballplayer I've ever seen in the Major Leagues. He was measurably and obviously bad at everything, but he managed to play in the Major Leagues for 251 games and 684 plate appearances over the course of four seasons - as well as playing in the Minors from 1987-1992 and 1995-1996, and the independent leagues from 1998-2001. In a way, I suppose, I admire him for that - despite all his struggles as a ballplayer, he persevered and kept chasing the dream for fifteen years. There's something very impressive about that.
But I'm glad I don't have to watch him play baseball anymore.
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My first thought was, “This is too long, I’m not reading it.” Then I thought, “Well, I’ll just read the opening to see what it’s about.” Then, before I knew it, I was done. Good stuff, especially:
“The second was a Giants-Dodgers doubleheader at the ’Stick in, I believe, 1988. The Giants lost both games, and the crowd got drunk and rowdy to the point of near-riot – by the second game, dozens of brawlers were being thrown out, and some bleacher fans were trying to climb onto the field to go after Dodgers players. We left partway through game two because we felt unsafe.”
I was there, too — I still have the Croix de Candlestick to prove it — and it was one of the most memorable ballpark experiences of my life, if not #1. It was definitely ‘88 (July 27th to be exact). The Giants got swept, and lost the 2nd game, in extra innings, after 7 hours of baseball — on a Scott Garrelts balk. Talk about climactic. And this was also after tying the game in the bottom of the 9th, thanks to the incredibly dense fog which had descended on the field (If you check out the impressively detailed play-by-play log in the previous link, you’ll even see the notation “Davis lost ball in fog” after Robby Thompson’s leadoff single).
That dense fog was also behind much of that craziness and violence at the game — though serving beer for 7 hours was probably just as big a culprit, as was the hatred for the Dodgers at Candlestick which dwarfs the hatred today (I saw beers poured on guys in Dodger jackets more than once). The fog was so thick, that fans from the LF bleachers were literally running up to the LF fence, climbing it and chucking batteries at Kirk Gibson, and my friend and I couldn’t see it from our box seats in Section 11 just off 1B.
We didn’t know anything was going on until we saw Gibson emerge out of the fog in shallow LF, running scared toward in the infield. The game was stopped for sometime as cops rushed in for support. The next day, I had to read the details in the paper to know what actually happened. Gibson said it was the only time in his life he ever feared for his safety on a baseball field. Bill Plaschke referred to Giants fans as “battery chuckers” for at least 10 years following this (I moved to LA on Brian Johnson Day in 1997 and read about it the next season when the Dodgers first played the Giants).
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on May 15, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I also have the Croix from this game.
I was 11 years old for that Dodgers doubleheader of ‘88. It was such a surreal experience—the type that baseball fans will never get to experience again. I’m not sure whether that’s good or bad.
By the end of game two (long after midnight, if I remember correctly they showed the clock on the jumbotron when it hit 12:00…or was it 1:00?) the fog was thick and swirling around the stadium, getting more dense and closer to the ground as the innings went on. I was lucky enough to be in the lower box about 20 rows back of the 1st base dugout. So, there wasn’t as much action near our seats. But I can rememeber seeing what looked like entire sections across the stadium erupt into a mosh-pit-like frenzy until police would arrive and then a fight would begin in another section.
I remember the the fan at the LF fence throwing something at Kirk Gibson, but thought it was a beer bottle. It’s hard for me to even remember much about the actual games, aside from the extra innings. What a night at the Stick.
Yeah, I was looking through box scores from 1988 after I wrote this – I found those games and figured they must be the ones.
Around that time, there were two rule changes at Candlestick – first, they stopped serving beer after, I think, the sixth inning (maybe seventh – I was a kid so it wasn’t very important to me), and second, they stopped allowing people to run down the stairs into the gap behind the outfield fence* to retrieve home run balls – as I recall, both happened in response to the doubleheader fiasco.
As a side-note: throughout my youth, I had the world’s worst luck when it came to Giants-Dodgers games. It wasn’t just the doubleheader – I never once saw the Giants beat the Dodgers in person until this game – when I was 19. Up until that point, the Giants were something like 0-9 in Giants-Dodgers games I attended. That game was also the first time the Giants ever beat Kevin Brown – he’d been in the NL since 1996.
- - Younger fans might not know what I’m talking about here. Prior to (I think) 1993, the outfield fence at Candlestick was a chain link fence, and there was a gap of maybe 10 or 20 feet between the fence and the outfield stands. There were stairways running down from the seats to the gap, and fans would run down the stairs to go after home run balls that didn’t make it to the stands. The outfield was reconfigured after Magowan et al took over. They replaced the chain link fence with a more conventional padded fence, and they put in new seating that went right up to the wall.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. Because all 50th Round picks go to heaven (or at least extended spring training).
Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
also
Looking at the box scores for the Dodger doublehear, I see Steve Sax was 4-5 with a double and a triple in the first game. He was my most hated Dodger as a kid – even after he left the Dodgers I hated his guts – and I wonder if that’s part of the reason why.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. Because all 50th Round picks go to heaven (or at least extended spring training).
Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
Another part of the reason why you might’ve hated Sax was his part in the brawl with the Dodgers the year before during this game. The Giants pitched around Pedro Guerrero three times — Roger Craig ordering him intentionally walked twice — to get to Mike Marshall. Guerrero went 3 for 3 when they pitched to him, but Marshall was 0 for 5 until the 10th, when Guerrero was intentionally walked and Marshall hit a 3-run HR to break the tie.
On his way to home plate, Marshall taunted Craig, pumping his fist and pointing toward him in the Giants dugout. The crushed crowd turned enraged, and when Scott Garrelts retaliated by throwing over Alex Trevino’s head, the benches emptied. After the teams left the field, some fans around the Dodger dugout got unruly and a few Dodgers spilled out of the dugout to confront them. Sax was caught on camera spitting on someone in the front row.
From then on, most Giants fans hated both Sax and Marshall (if they didn’t already). In fact, at that double-header, Marshall flubbed two low throws at 1B (he was normally an OF), the second allowing the tying run to score in the bottom of the 9th, and the fans around 1B were merciless on him — pointing and pumping their fists at him, mimicking his antics from the year before.
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on May 15, 2010 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, you remember right — that was the last game people were allowed in the gap between the stands and the fence. My only quibble: while it was 10-20 feet near the LF line, but I’m pretty sure it stretched out to like 50 feet or so in left-center. Here is a good overview of how it was (with the front section of stands removed of course).
Watching fans run around in there trying to fetch a bouncing HR ball (they were rarely caught) was a staple of Giants games and TV highlights until that DH. For the next ~5 years it remained empty, except for patrolling security, and HR balls just bounced around in boring solitude.
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on May 15, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Gosh. What a hideous, trashy ballpark. Must have been a helluva place to see a game.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Its horribleness held an odd sort of charm once you were used to it.
Or it did for me. Not that I was sorry to see Pac Bell Park come along.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. Because all 50th Round picks go to heaven (or at least extended spring training).
Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
I liked it.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on May 16, 2010 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions
you know what else made that Giants/Dodgers double header so bad?
Kelly Downs had pitched very well the day before and the Giants were closing the gap on the Dodgers. Many of us really thought we had them where we wanted them. Um, maybe not. I still think we hung around for a bit until we played them down at Chavez Ravine later that year and Ramon Martinez made his major league debut and beat us (I think he even had a run scoring single).
I also remember that, leading up to this Giants-Dodgers series the Giants had played the Cardinals in St Louis and Will Clark got in a fight with Ozzie Smith and Jo-jo-jo-jo-jo-jose O-o-o-o-o-oquendo (that stuttering prick ruined my 1987) because Ozzie and Jo-jo-jo-jo-jose were upset that he slid too hard into the bag while trying to break up the double play. Thrill got up and got in their face and Jo-jo-jo-jo-jose nearly pissed his pants (I remember his comment after the game about Thrill looking “like he was ten feet tall”) and then Candy Maldonado came in and jumped the pile and clocked one of the Cardinals right in the face.
With that kind of a backdrop to the series, I really thought it was going to be our year. Alas, it wasn’t to be.
I think I was there too. I remember being at a very rowdy double-header vs. the Dodgers, and I remember that Mulholland was pitching. I was excited to see him start because he had signed a ball for me the previous September. I think I was pretty disappointed when we traded him and Cook to the Phillies.
Just get the damn surgery, Mark DeRosa.
So we were both at that game, and we were both at the game where Armando Benitez first returned to San Francisco after being traded (I think that was you, anyway!) Apparently, when you and I are at the same game, hate is in the air.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. Because all 50th Round picks go to heaven (or at least extended spring training).
Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
You didn’t read your own post?
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on May 15, 2010 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions
He was definitely a manly third baseman.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on May 15, 2010 11:54 AM PDT reply actions
dammit
This is what I get for being too lazy to proofread my fanposts.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. Because all 50th Round picks go to heaven (or at least extended spring training).
Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
/edits to fix that and add a new closing line
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. Because all 50th Round picks go to heaven (or at least extended spring training).
Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
Since we’re nitpicking, about halfway through you wrote “heart” where you presumably meant “hearty.” And there was something in there about the Giants being outscored by a certain number of “points” …
I was just being dickishly nitpicky… very enjoyable read.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on May 15, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmmmm...
I think I might’ve been there for that. I definitely attended a Pirates doubleheader at the ‘Stick in the mid-’90s, and really, how many of those could there have been?
I miss scheduled doubleheaders. :-(
Proud parent of Will the Thrill, standard-bearer of The Giants Way.
"I was jacked leaving that room. I didn't even want to visit another room. It was not enough time," Tebow said. "We were excited, we were enthusiastic. There was passion. It was just intense, and it was ball, and it was juice. The juice level in that room was high, and it was awesome."
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on May 15, 2010 12:07 PM PDT reply actions
Ignoring starting pitchers, that lineup is far better than the one the Giants are running out there today.
THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME (for 3 days in 1995).
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on May 15, 2010 12:41 PM PDT reply actions
2/3/4 hitters aside, that's doubtful.
Here’s that lineup, with 1996 OPS+ included.
(Kimothy himself put up a 49, BTW; Velez this year has given us a 66.)
1) Dax Jones CF 52
2) Bill Mueller 2B 121
3) Glenallen Hill RF 125
4) Barry Bonds LF 188
5) Dave McCarty 1B 70
6) Steve Scarsone 3B 64
7) Marcus Jensen C 98
8) Jay Canizaro SS 51
That’s… horrendous. Now, obviously the current Giants regulars started the season hitting over their heads, but all but two of the regulars have an OPS+ of 100 or better (the exceptions are Panda, at 99, who is swinging over his head but not hitting so, and DeRosa at- LOL!- 42).
Proud parent of Will the Thrill, standard-bearer of The Giants Way.
"I was jacked leaving that room. I didn't even want to visit another room. It was not enough time," Tebow said. "We were excited, we were enthusiastic. There was passion. It was just intense, and it was ball, and it was juice. The juice level in that room was high, and it was awesome."
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on May 15, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
wowch.
Proud parent of the new dominant pitching sensation out of San Diego State University.
Temporarily refocused on hockey-related exercises... growing a beard, wearing teal, punching random people as I walk to class...
to be fair, that wasn't really their regular lineup
Although, due to injuries and utter horribleness, they didn’t really have a normal lineup that year. But the standard lineup would be closer to (and I’m guessing at the order they hit in some cases):
1) Marvin Benard CF 80
2) Shawon Dunston SS 98
3) Barry Bonds LF 188
4) Matt Williams 3B 134
5) Glenallen Hill RF 125
6) Mark Carreon 1B 107
7) Steve Scarsone 2B 64
8) Tom Lampkin C 89 / Kirt Manwaring C 68 / Rick Wilkins C 134 (when Wilkins was playing, he hit higher in the lineup as I recall)
Still awful, despite a very solid middle of the lineup. Glenallen Hill was actually a really good hitter, as high-strike out, low-OBP guys go. He put together some nice offensive seasons from 1993-1996 and 1998-2000. His defense was Adam Dunn-level bad, though.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. Because all 50th Round picks go to heaven (or at least extended spring training).
Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
And his name really was Kimothy! Who does that? Please tell me his brother was Jimothy and his sister was Timberly.
jcb9, I’ll pitch in 50 cents as a 10% stake in you sponsoring Kimothy’s baseball-reference page. Think of the fun you can have…
I used to sponsor his b-r profile! I let it expire, though. I was thinking of renewing it with a link to this – I just had to write it first.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. Because all 50th Round picks go to heaven (or at least extended spring training).
Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
I have a female friend named Kim who I call Kimothy occasionally as a joke. I can't believe it's a real name.
My adopted son is RHP Steve Edlefsen, currently above Gerald Posey on the catching depth chart.
too long; read anyway
My adopted son is RHP Steve Edlefsen, currently above Gerald Posey on the catching depth chart.
That doubleheader, torture.
I was sitting in the upper deck with my friend Mike, his dad and his brother. Still one of the longest days at the yard I have ever had.
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis.
Rec'd
Very well written and an interesting story. I can’t add much about Batiste since he is before my time, but after reading this, I’m glad I never saw him play.
Oh, and one more thing
If I’m known for any one thing on McCovey Chronicles (other than the rage meme), it’s probably my fascination with/fixation on one Kim Batiste
Don’t forget things be pulled out of your ass
Adopted Giant: Mike Krukow.
Grab Some Pine, Meat
K.F.I.S.T.F.
Hoping for BowkerMania to get consistent playing time at AT&T Park
I was just about to say, "And RAGE!!!!"
I need to work on reading.
My adopted son is RHP Steve Edlefsen, currently above Gerald Posey on the catching depth chart.
We should have a few more of these in depth obscure player profiles mixed in with our personal anecdotes, well done.
Your Pirates doubleheader reminded me of an AL playoff game that Bob Costas mentioned in his book “Fair Ball: A Fans Case For Baseball”. It was a wild card contest with Cleveland playing someone (I forgot who). It was about midnight with a tie game in the 15th inning, and it had been drizzling rain for several innings or more. The game was around the 5 hour mark (there was also a rain delay).
Bob Uecker was doing the game. During the between innings commercial break, he turned to his partner and said “this game sucks”.
"What I miss the most is playing with the guys down the stretch to win the division". Mike Krukow
Damn. Very well written.
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on May 16, 2010 6:26 PM PDT reply actions
To anyone who thinks this is to long to read, I suggest you rethink. It is a great story, and goes by very quickly.
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on May 16, 2010 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Tell that to that jcb9 guy.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on May 16, 2010 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I hear jcb9 doesn’t even know how to read.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on May 17, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions

What I love about this picture is that he obviously had gotten jammed and either fouled it off or missed it completely.
(Notice the bent elbows)
Monday Monkey lives for the weekend, sir.
Best contact of his career!
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on May 17, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
How many third basemen have played on the Giants and Phillies? It seems like a lot.
Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!
off the top of my head
Kim Batiste
David Bell
Pedro Feliz
Technically Desi Relaford, I guess, but that’s a stretch for a couple of reasons.
I can’t think of any more right now, but I’m probably forgetting some.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. Because all 50th Round picks go to heaven (or at least extended spring training).
Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
Oh, right, how could I forget? He had two stints with the Giants, even!
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing. Because all 50th Round picks go to heaven (or at least extended spring training).
Enjoy your free Fred Lewis, Blue Jays.
Pretty cool
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, who has been resurrected and has returned to..(reads)...Fresno? And is also an outfielder now.
#2 in Fanshots
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
Long post is long
and highly entertaining.
Proud parent of the new dominant pitching sensation out of San Diego State University.
Temporarily refocused on hockey-related exercises... growing a beard, wearing teal, punching random people as I walk to class...
Brings back a lot of memories and feelings. When the 1997 Giants stocked competent-and-better players and started winning, I walked around all summer marveling at the turnaround and thinking how hopeless and bad the team was just the year before. I mean, just look at their bb-ref page. It was like a parade of tryouts at most positions. Six different catchers? Sure! Trade your 1B (Carreon) in July so you can turn the job over to the AAA platoon of “Dan & Dave” (Peltier & McCarty) and later Desi Wilson? Why not?
And yet, some glimmers of home that would shine in 1997: Estes came up spinning his curve, Rueter came over from Montreal (for Mark Leiter), Gardner came in from the waiver wire to become their best starter, Mueller showed he was an on-base machine and sharp 3B. Still, it took a lot more than that for the new GM (Sabean) to assemble a lineup and remake the bullpen and put the 1996 scrap-heap disaster behind them.
I stewed the whole way back to Balboa Park BART
jcb9 mad?
/fake shock
Good post, but can you calm down sir.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Yes, baby tuckoo was there that day/night
A friend and I drove over from Fresno to see that Giant/Dodger doubleheader, leaving at noon and arriving with no tickets at about 3. Like j14, we were in the upper deck. It had been 100+ in Fresno, but Candlestick was at 65 and breezy when game one started. I stayed to get my croix, but the cost was high. I’m not sure that I’ve yet recovered even moderate levels of respect for my fellow Giant fans. Everything written here by others is absolutely true, but I can add a couple of aspects to the bizarre event.
My section was pretty full. A lot of the people in it seemed to be from the same workplace (which probably closed down to all go to the games) and there was some sort of beer drinking competition developing among the people (all male) around us. Two rows down and in the aisle seats were three young men/boys wearing Dodger caps and shirts. They were early teens and very scrubbed. All three wore nicely pleated shorts and had their shirts tucked in. I would later discover that they had only brought very thin Dodger windbreakers as “jackets.” As things turned out, that would be the smallest of their problems toward the end of the nightcap as midnight approached.
I won’t repeat the descriptions of events mentioned above, but will verify them and confirm that there was virtually no security presence visible in my section. It was drunken anarchy of the sort one seldom sees at organized events, and by the end of the first game I was seeing things every few minutes that would get someone quickly thrown out of today’s ballpark. But no one was ejected. No one was even warned. It was the jungle, and its laws prevailed. As mentioned, there were very few women even at the beginning, and they had wisely left by game 2.
But the Dodger boys stayed, and I began to worry about them. I wasn’t much worried about myself; my friend and I were fit and in our thirties and Giant fans. My friend was a fireman; I played full-court basketball three times a week. We made some friendly chat with people right around us, and they seemed ok, though they bought beers two at a time all night. When the Dodger boys put on their blue windbreakers around dark, they stood out like quetzal birds flying through a dark rain forest. Except this was the jungle, full of beasts in search of prey. Dodger blue prey.
Fights broke out all around, sometimes with tens of people involved in a scrum-like lurching and pushing. Yet I saw no police. Various missles came from several direction and their frequency increased as the night wore on and the Giants went down to Hershiser. The Dodger boys ignored most of the missles, but when one of them still had plenty of beer in it, two of them stood up and spun around looking angry. Not the right move. Fingers were pointed, fists raised, sharp words exchanged. Some broad whiskery fellows rose from mid aisle to go take care of these blue problems, so I turned to my friend and said, “Let’s get them out of here.” We were closer, so we got there first. I told them in my best Principal voice to come with us. They grabbed their packs and wordlessly did just that. I was actually glad to leave also.
The next day I wrote a long letter to Al Rosen about the Giants’ failure to anticipate or execute crowd control, and I sent a copy to Glenn Dickey. A week later a reply arrived from Rosen, typed by the man himself. He dismissed most of my concerns/complaints and excused the rest as aberrations. He finished his response with “How dare you tell me how to manage a crowd of baseball fans.” I share this response with Dickey, and a few days later he turned the exchange into a column. Most of my suggestions were eventually implemented.
During a game last year, Kruk and Kuip spent several innings tossing around Rosen/Craig anecdotes and memories. They made Rosen sound like a great guy, and maybe he was. I sent Kruk the letter and the Dickey column and my original letter. Kruk graciously wrote back a month later and agreed the Rosen could often be a hothead.
I simply can’t imaging anything similar happening in the new park. Good thing, too. I was on the verge of swearing off live baseball.
I ain't denyin' there wasn't no bottle.

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