Is Fred Lewis really injured?
by MDB on Apr 8, 2010 12:28 AM PDT
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I remember Sabean using the disabled list to keep players around he could not figure out what to do with (i.e. Aurillia), so could this just be a ploy to keep him around longer to
A) Find trade opportunities for him
B) Or decide who to cut for him (unlikely)
or
C) Or he is just injured
When/If Freddie comes back to this team ever (hopefully) , i do not think he is anything more than our 5th outfielder. I want him playing over Rowand/Torres/ Nate but this is highly unlikely. What can he contribute to our team as a fifth outfielder? Is it worth it to keep his production in such a limited role? If Lewis and Bowk could be our starting corner outfielders this year i think we would be a much better team, but then again, that isn't happening.
So it begs the question. What do you want for Fred Lewis?
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Freddy is my Facebook friend. He is a hard worker and deserves to play somewhere. Whether he can be a 500 AB guy or not is not the issue, let him sign with someone who wants to find out because Mr Small Sample Size himself OBVIOUSLY doesn’t want to be that guy.
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Yeah, i agree, but i had no problem with the Huff signing over Garko.
Warriors:Nellie needs to go! but while we suffer....John Wall or Evan Turner please!
Giants: Wheres Buster and Freddie?
by MDB on Apr 8, 2010 1:04 AM PDT up reply actions
mayom bialik is my facebook pal
maybe we should hook them up
I just read she’s going to have an arc on The Big Bang as geeky girlfriend for Sheldon.
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Injured players with big contracts play hurt, healthy players earning the minimum go to the DL. It’s the Giants Way.
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All teams use the DL to stash “injured” players. Let’s not make this into a Giants thing.
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But isn’t it always a Giants thing?
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by MDB on Apr 8, 2010 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions
**cough..Rich Aurilia..cough*
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I have to believe that Lewis is actually hurt. I don’t doubt that the Giants are still shopping him around, but they don’t help their case by offering up a product who didn’t get a full month of ST seasoning in to get him ready to play for the season. You’d think that, like Frandsen, they’d be putting him out there to try and puff up a bit of trade value before dishing him out, and this rib injury is a setback; furthermore, if the injury were a ploy just to buy time (Rich Aurilia’s toe, anybody?), I don’t think they would have set his DL stint retroactively.
I think he’s a good guy with some promise, but the Fred Lewis experiment is over, and when it comes to dumping contracts, something is better than nothing.
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doan worry, poplo loe he team, he wan get berry good for body to play the beisbol
by Tim LinCyYoung on Apr 8, 2010 6:12 AM PDT reply actions 4 recs
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I want what’s best for Fred Lewis over what’s best for the Giants. I hope we let him go and someone with an opening signs him and he gets to play full time (or at least gets to platoon vs RHP)….
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by say hey nation on Apr 8, 2010 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I know a certain old Raul Ibanez who needs replacing….
by Missing Barry on Apr 8, 2010 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Do you think the Phillies FO will look past the dingerz!
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by MDB on Apr 8, 2010 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m being more wishful since say hey nation and I both live in Philly than actually thinking in realistic terms…
by Missing Barry on Apr 8, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Or a replacement for Austin Kearns.
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Kearns is in Cleveland now
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I heard that they have interest in Fred to be their starting RF
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I think I’d like to see the Giants set him free soon, but it’s not a bad idea to give him the spot in AAA for a few weeks, because with some of the OF available out there, I’m not sure he would have an easy time finding a spot at the moment.
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Can't
He can’t go to AAA without clearing waivers, as he’s out of options. I’d say it’s unlikely he’d clear waivers. They’re just going to have to trade him for a non-prospect.
I’m not sure how unlikely it is, actually. They apparently weren’t getting much interest for him in spring (less even than Frandsen’s paltry cash considerations?). And for a team to claim him off waivers now they’d have to make room for him on a 25 man roster. So you’d need somebody who is interested AND just had their own injury to an OF. Or else they’d be willing to cut somebody loose who they just spent an entire spring (and possibly more) evaluating and decided to bring north, after only a couple weeks of the season. That seems early to be giving up on guys unless it’s a Bocock type situation.
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If somebody who didn’t follow the Giants overheard you discussing “a Bocock type situation,” what would they think it was about?
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by Josh from Hollywood on Apr 8, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Huff releases his almost every night
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I’m confident he’d be claimed. If no team could use a guy who’s above replacement level and only making MLB minimum, with a pretty good shot at being a solid starter….well then there’s a lot more talent out there than I thought. Just because nobody was willing to give anything up (or we were holding out for something in return) for a player who, by all indications, was going to get cut doesn’t mean there’s no interest…
by Missing Barry on Apr 8, 2010 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions
The trouble is that, as some people have pointed out, there are some decent OF out there on the waiver wire or free agent market that are attracting no attention. Now – there are extenuating circumstances (Jermaine Dye wants $6 million and a starting spot! Elijah Dukes is fucking insane!) but still, I’m not sure how much interest there is in fourth OF at the moment. It could change in a month or so (or however long Fred is allowed to be on a rehab assignment.)
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I’m not sure how much interest there is in fourth OF at the moment
Good thing Fred’s a solid starter, then! :)
by Missing Barry on Apr 8, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
But the only thing that’s changed since ST is a little extra time. The Giants are still facing a deadline in which they’re going to have to move him or cut him. You can only be on a DL rehab assignment for, what, 20 days? At that point they’ve got to recall him, DFA him, or drop him from the 40 man. And I think they’ve made it pretty clear that they don’t want him on the club, so anybody who is interested can still take a reasonable gamble that he’s going to DFA’d or waived in three weeks.
Which gives them a little bit more time to assess their own talent and needs.
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Agreed, though I’m not sure what you’re getting at, exactly. I’m not sure how that fits into the “teams aren’t interested” thought process….
by Missing Barry on Apr 8, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Right, but since Fred is obviously a useful player (a fact I’m sure multiple clubs will recognize) there could be considerable interest in him. Due to the priority system of waivers, if a lower-priority club that feels a need wants Fred, they either have to take a gamble that no one above them will make a claim or they have to trade us someone. Despite the fact that everyone knows he’s going to be available via waivers in a few weeks, they may not be willing to take the risk if they want him enough.
I do doubt there will be a trade, most likely it’ll be a waiver claim, but I don’t think it’s ridiculous.
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Even if he cleared waivers, though, he could still decline the assignment and become a FA, right? At this point he might prefer to play for some other team’s AAA affiliate if he sees a better chance for promotion.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Apr 8, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Really? Sold, for one dollar.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Apr 8, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
In that case
I’ll trade you cash considerations for Kevin Frandsen
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by Johnny Disaster on Apr 8, 2010 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought it was three weeks. Hmmm. OK, this article says 20 days is the maximum.
I'll ask him when I see him tonight in Reno
Seriously though, It is just shameful the way the Giants have treated some of their young players. Fred deserves a real shot to play for someone. He has decent tools, and could contribute at the ML level.
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by say hey nation on Apr 8, 2010 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Apparently not.
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by MDB on Apr 8, 2010 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Can't wait...
To see Fred Lewis go, he is a 4th or 5th OF an any other team, and having him gone will finally end this seemingly endless debate. Should he start, no. He’s not better than Derosa and doesn’t have Bowker’s up-side or penchant for long-balls, and someone has to play CF which means it’s DeRosa, Bowker and Rownads for the time being.
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He could probably start on a few teams without much competition.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Apr 8, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Do you mean major league baseball teams? Can you indicate, in support of your statement, which of them have offered to send the Giants some major-league bench players for him, or reasonable minor-league prospects for him? Don’t teams want league-average players and prospective starters, such as many McC posters apparently think Lewis is? Are ALL the GMs either numbskulls or guys whose teams control a roster’s worth of above-average outfielders? Are they all irrational Fred-haters whom Missing Barry would not like very much?
I don’t think we’ll get reasonable minor league prospects for him because he’s obviously going to be available, but something is better than nothing, and if someone offers anything there’ll be a trade. And we really don’t need bench players; if we did, we wouldn’t be waiving Lewis.
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agreed, we don’t need them, if our bench players are optimal for us. Nevertheless, since this site concurs that the Giants undervalue Lewis, these needs wouldn’t keep someone else from offering them for an allegedly league-average player. Presumably no one has offered anything at all, however, given that, as you indicate, “if someone offers anything there’ll be a trade.” Let’s see how rapidly, if waived, he is snatched up off the waiver list, to help us appraise—and try to understand—his actual market value.
Let’s see how rapidly, if waived, he is snatched up off the waiver list, to help us appraise—and try to understand—his actual market value.
The very fact that Lewis is undervalued by the Giants means that whatever choice they make in transactions with him undervalue him. So to say his “actual market value”, determined by a transaction in which the Giants are a major party, is an accurate reflection of his value as a ballplayer is incorrect.
Really now- one of the major points of Moneyball was that markets can be distorted by disparities in knowledge regarding the value of commodities. You are choosing to accept the method of judgment that includes the distortion rather than exclude it.
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The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga... CHONE WAR projection= 12.7
Current Team: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Molina, Renteria, Schierholtz... CHONE WAR projection= 12.6
huhwut?
If the Giants put Lewis on waivers, they’re no longer a real party to the transaction. Any team that wants him can have him. So we get to see how many teams decline to take him.
I said he could start on a number of teams. I didn’t say he’d be significant enough upgrade for those teams to either pursue him aggressively or disrupt their current 25 man. But he’d definitely be at least a marginal upgrade on a number of teams. The A’s and Padres come to mind immediately, and that’s just California.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Apr 8, 2010 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Padres, maybe, but surely the A’s aren’t going to bench Sweeney or Rajai or Travis Buck.
Washington is the only team I can think of where he’d be an clear improvement.
Maybe I just don’t see the appeal in Travis Buck.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Apr 9, 2010 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Me neither, but then I checked CHONE and his career numbers, and realized I might be wrong about him.
by Missing Barry on Apr 9, 2010 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Buck seemed to once have potential but then was injured
he was the their leadoff hitter in 08 and since then has been on the DL and the SactOakland shuttle. Also IIRC he ripped Beane this offseason.
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Don’t teams want league-average players and prospective starters, such as many McC posters apparently think Lewis is?
Why the skepticism? We are, after all, talking about a player who in his lone full season of starting at his position, did, in fact, perform above league average with a 2.4 WAR.
It’s not like it’s just the McCoven who “think” he is a “prospective starter”. He has been an above-average starter
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The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga... CHONE WAR projection= 12.7
Current Team: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Molina, Renteria, Schierholtz... CHONE WAR projection= 12.6
Yeah
Just because he couldn’t crack the 25-man roster on an undefeated team doesn’t mean he wouldn’t start somewhere else.
/looks at standings again and swoons
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Yeah OK.
Like the Giants decide their 25-man roster based on an accurate appraisal of player performance.
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The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga... CHONE WAR projection= 12.7
Current Team: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Molina, Renteria, Schierholtz... CHONE WAR projection= 12.6
One thing I’ll note is I believe Fred is a better player on the Giants than almost any other team. His offensive skills suit AT&T perfectly, and I think he would lose some offensive value playing for another team. Basically, he has gap power, and AT&T enhances gap power, and he’s not a pull HR hitter at all, which is where AT&T eats hitters up.
by Missing Barry on Apr 9, 2010 7:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I’ve decided I do not like you very much….
by Missing Barry on Apr 8, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I’ve decided you have a Solomon Torres jersey hanging next to a Jose Oquendo jersey in your living room.
Don't give him the game ball Dusty, you'll jinx it...
by The Neuschler on Apr 8, 2010 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Ha, jokes on you, I don’t even have a living room!
by Missing Barry on Apr 9, 2010 6:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I can't wait
for the thousand comment post that will accompany Lewis’ departure. The great McCoven Civil War of 2010 is just around the corner…
by crazedcrustacean on Apr 8, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Same here. Hopefully the mourning ends within a week or two and we get to find out who KFred’s replacement is. Gotta have somebody to have bitter arguments about
Velez. Sorry.
we get to find out who KFred’s replacement
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Would you prefer Lewis or Nate play?
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Lewis
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by giantsfansince1981 on Apr 8, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Lewis.
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The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga... CHONE WAR projection= 12.7
Current Team: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Molina, Renteria, Schierholtz... CHONE WAR projection= 12.6
FWIW I'd rather Lewis play as well
but The Neuschler doesn’t appear to like Lewis but didn’t mention Nate in his post so…
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I kinda think Nate’s defensive value in LF offsets Fred’s bat.
You want to see a walk? Then go watch the mailman.
I understand that argument
IMO though Lewis=Average to above average hitter and average defender
Nate=Very good defensively and very poor offensively.
Also (I’m sure it was a typo) Nate is a RF
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I think plate discipline (isolated on-base, if you will) has staying power that defensive value doesn’t.
To me, defensive production is akin to batting average, with its small sample relative to hitting mirroring the unpredictability of BABIP. Just as I’d choose a .275 hitter with a .375 OBP (solid eye) over a .300 hitter with a .335 OBP (superior batting average skills), so would I prefer the proficient hitter to the proficient fielder.
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The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga... CHONE WAR projection= 12.7
Current Team: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Molina, Renteria, Schierholtz... CHONE WAR projection= 12.6
I kinda think Fred is a ~2 WAR starter on the Giants, so Nate needs a heck of a lot of defense to offset that, unless his bat actually becomes productive, which is something it has never been at the MLB level, though that’s only ~500 PA’s, nor have his MLE’s even been impressive.
by Missing Barry on Apr 9, 2010 7:02 AM PDT up reply actions
The projection systems seem to think Nate’s going to be just as good as Fred. Apparently the projection systems have never seen some of the pitches he swings at.
Hmmm….I wonder why CHONE likes Schierholtz so much. This is one of the times I’m legitimately curious and wish I had the details of the system (in other words, wish I ran it)….
by Missing Barry on Apr 9, 2010 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Youth and a decent track record in AAA, presumably. And it’s not just Chone; Zips & Pecota both have them about even.
I primarily used CHONE, so that’s why I excluded the others. Probably is best to look at multiple ones, especially on someone like Schierholtz where so much of it is from minor league numbers, though I’d look at Zips and probably Oliver next. Screw Pecota. I guess I’m just underwhelmed by his minor league production, but the projections like his upward trend.
To be consistent with my past points, I guess I have to acknowledge that the projections systems do know a lot more about using minor league numbers, regressing properly, aging curves, and the like than I do off the top of my head….
by Missing Barry on Apr 9, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Yep. Watching him in the majors it’s hard to believe he could ever hit, but he did slug .575 or so in 200 games in AAA at age 23-24, with no walks but good contact skills. The system has to respect that.
On the other hand, Prospectus gives their top ten comps for each player, and Nate’s suck. I mean, number one is Robin Jennings, who managed to get 213 major league at-bats before washing out. You do get Hunter Pence and Jose Guillen at the bottom of the list.
Well don’t those comps play a big role in Pecota? So if it’s still spitting out a halfway decent line, the list can’t be that bad, right?
by Missing Barry on Apr 9, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
The comps are Pecota, more or less. Once you get past the top ten, there are some pretty good ones for Nate: Andre Ethier, Kevin McReynolds, Kevin Bass, and Felipe Alou (!) all appear. And the no. 3 comp is Troy O’Leary, who was better than I remember him being.
The eccentricies of the system become apparent when you look at the long-range forecasts. They project Nate to have his best year (albeit in part-time play) in 2017, when he’ll be 33.
Is his AAA track record really that decent? I’m not always sure how to evaluate AAA numbers because of things like league and ballpark, but on the face it kind of seems like his history in AAA (as a hitter) isn’t any better than anything Lewis has done in the majors (or in AAA for that matter).
Buck AAA: .279/.366/.412
Lewis AAA: .281/.375/.480
Lewis MLB: .277/.355/.420
(I understand that Lewis’s age in AAA may also have some bearing on how to interpret the numbers)
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Apr 9, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Whoa… for some reason I thought this entire comment string was connected to the one we were having above. Thread comprehension fail.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Apr 9, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m not always sure how to evaluate AAA numbers because of things like league and ballpark
In my opinion, the best way is to go to minorleaguesplits.com and convert them to MLE’s. Tearing up the low levels of minor leagues, no matter how badly you tear them up, always result in a crappy MLE because it’s so far from the majors, but my interpretation of that is it tells us just how little those performances matter to MLB success. Once you get to AA and especially AAA, those MLE’s start to tell us a lot more.
by Missing Barry on Apr 9, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Only problem is that the different MLE systems vary quite a bit. MinorLeagueSplits seems to be consistently bearish (which is probably a good thing).
Do they? That’s the only one I know of that’s publicly available, so my knowledge on the different systems is basically 0….
by Missing Barry on Apr 9, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
He probably has
the same value as DeRosa in LF.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Apr 8, 2010 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
BTW:
I have a question. Why is Aaron Rowand called Scott around here?
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Barry Bonds sat with Kruk and Kuip for a couple of innings once back in 2008 and called him “Scott Rowand” and it stuck with us.
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I’m still convinced he was confusing him with Scott Rolen. He WAS talking about what a good hitter he was…
by The Double Deuce on Apr 8, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Was there another theory? I had always assumed Barry just thought Rolen and Rowand were the same person.
That was it… Rolen/Rowand.
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by Johnny Disaster on Apr 10, 2010 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think Lewis is really injured. I think he’s really an alien who’s been observing humans for several years and will soon depart this world. For the Mets.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Apr 8, 2010 11:32 AM PDT reply actions
I’m sure he’s hurt, mostly because he didn’t see a lot of PT in spring and because I think the writers and other baseball people would “tell” us if he was hurt (when Aurilia went on the DL last year despite not being hurt, everyone knew it was just to clear a roster spot).
I think he can be flipped for something, nothing big, obviously, but anything’s better than nothing, which is what we’ll get if we DFA him. But he definitely won’t be getting a spot on the team with Velez, Torres, Nate, and Bowker already taking spots.
Goodbye, Steven Johnson, we hardly knew ye. Seriously, that was short.
But Fred is obviously so much better than Velez and Torres!
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Not that Velez really can himself.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Apr 8, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
And you can say the same about Nate, Bowker, and Velez, while Ishikawa and Huff can’t even do that…..
by Missing Barry on Apr 8, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Fred will be traded for Travis Denker. This is the Giants after all.
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Geez, how many of Fred Lewis’s relatives are on this site?
by The Double Deuce on Apr 8, 2010 12:56 PM PDT reply actions
i remember when, during his waning days on the team, the giants sent Kirk Rueter to the DL with an injury that he had never heard of before
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Woody was one of my favorite players on the giants, but he was painful to watch at the end.
I beleive they put him on the DL for a pulled suck muscle. Or gout in his right foot. I can’t remember which.
Please tell me we have moved past the dark ages of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
He is in triple A now, but he did not have to clear waivers
HE IS ON rehab assignment!
Is Fred Lewis really injured?
No. They’ve pulled this shit before. Fred will be hurting the team if he starts in Fresno, we need to see what we got in EME, others.
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by SneakToBetterSeats on Apr 8, 2010 9:55 PM PDT reply actions
His latest FB update is all about how nice it is to finally swing the bat pain free…
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Apr 10, 2010 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions
he's probably not injured in the DL sense
but he’s probably nicked up a little and the team used that as an excuse to avoid a difficult roster decision.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Apr 8, 2010 10:03 PM PDT reply actions
I have reconsidered my thoughts
I’m not entirely sure that if he was put on waivers, he would be claimed. I think Jack Cust is a more valuable player than Lewis, and he made it all the way through wires. I know there’s the money issue, but there’s also the issue that people have finalized their lineups and aren’t looking to add just yet.
I say send him to AAA, it’s probably worth the risk.
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Cust is probably comparable to Lewis if Cust is a DH, but that eliminates more than half the teams in the league for him, plus the financial issue is a factor – if Cust is claimed on waivers, the team has to pick up his full salary, but if they just wait to see if he clears waivers and he does, they can get him for the minimum. Since Lewis is basically being paid the minimum, though, that’s not an issue for him.
I don’t know what’s going to happen exactly, but I’m about 90% sure that Lewis is going to be gone.
by Missing Barry on Apr 9, 2010 7:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow, Sadowski is telling Fred to call the union… isn’t he in Korea or something?
Fred put up a post saying “still on the DL plus I’m hitting homeruns here in tripleA 2RBI HOUR. this is a mind bogging situation” and Sadowski replied “One lesson that I learned from last year. If you have a problem, call the union. The team will be forced to do something. Good luck”… actually, I’ve given that same advice.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Apr 11, 2010 10:29 AM PDT reply actions
They have FLew playing some CF in AAA, that can only be a good thing for him. Hopefully they’re just seeing what he can do there so he can replace one of Torres/Velez when his rehab is done. He can only be on the DL a little longer
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by theghostofjasonellison on Apr 11, 2010 4:10 PM PDT reply actions
We wouldn’t be having this ridiculous argument if Fred Lewis could catch the $%&* ball. I know he is a plus defender considering his speed and the number of fly balls he can range to. But seriously, how hard is it for a major league baseball player to learn how to catch fly balls? He doesn’t take terrible routes to the ball, he doesn’t routinely overthrow the cut-off man. Just catch the damn ball Fred and all will be well!!!!
No one here gets out alive.
Lots of guys drop fly balls actually. Some even drop them with their dicks.
It happens. Really. It does.
Think of it like misplaying a ground ball. If Infielder X clanks a grounder to give up a single, nobody gets this bent out of shape. But really, it’s practically the same freakin’ thing.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Apr 12, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m getting the impression from Mays’ new bio I’m reading that he had plenty of Fred Lewis moment out there, too.
by Missing Barry on Apr 12, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
also, i am not opining on whether or not he has a higher percentage of misplays. i am only saying that if he doesn’t “look” so ridiculous letting the ball clack off his glove we aren’t have this discussion.
also, catch the &%$#* ball!!!!!!!
No one here gets out alive.
Well, I agree that it looks fucking terrible.
To be perfectly fair, the fact that it could only reasonably apply to Hitler does make the discussion kind of moot.
by howtheyscored on Apr 12, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
The sad thing is, you’re probably right. I don’t doubt that Giants management really lets things like that play a much, much larger role than it should in their evaluation.
by Missing Barry on Apr 12, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
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