Cust DFA'd
Just so we get this straight - Beane non-tendered Cust in December, re-signed him for $2.65M three weeks later, and now DFA'd him before the season began. That's ridiculous.
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Wut.
Does a $2.65 mil Cust have any trade value at all?
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(Just putting it here so everyone sees it)
Correction: according to Yahoo, if Cust refuses to be assigned to AAA, the A’s won’t owe him any money. Don’t know why.
So this might end up not costing them anything.
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Huh. I thought he was pretty much assured a spot in the lineup, but I haven’t really been paying attention to the A’s roster.
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by Gobroks on Apr 3, 2010 7:16 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Jack Cust is Problematic.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Apr 4, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Not like Fred Lewis though...
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Interesting
He has some offense upside but his defense is terrible. FWIW I’d rather play him at 1B than Huff.
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by Gobroks on Apr 3, 2010 7:18 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Insane because of his defense at 1st?
The Nats were able to sort of hide Adam Dunn’s defense at 1st so if we treat Cust like a poor man’s Adam Dunn than I’d be ok with him playing 1B. Plus I think Cust offers more upside offensively than Huff.
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Insane Because Huff Is Likely To Be The Better Hitter Too.
The Nationals are actually being stupid with Adam Dunn. He is an even worse defensive 1B then he is a defensive OFer. The only role that makes sense for Dunn is DH. A NL team spending money on Adam Dunn is an NL team being dumb. In Cust’s case the A’s have concluded that he doesn’t hit well enough anymore to waste a roster spot playing him at DH either.
by giantsrainman on Apr 4, 2010 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I didn't know that about Dunn
but I’ll take your word for it because you are more knowledgable about SaberStats than I am. That said I actually think you may be right. Maybe it’s just perception but I didn’t realize Cust had been so bad recently. But the last 3 years his OPS has dropped significantly.
07-.912
08-.851
09-.773
While Huff seemed to drop off a cliff. I guess the question is do you expect Huff to have another sub .700 OPS season or you willing to bet that Cust won’t decline to the point where he won’t have a sub .700 OPS. I guess it’s a moot point because I can’t see the Giants FO taking a flier on Cust but I think you may have convinced me.
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You projected Huff to have a .347 wOBA – adjusting for park, that’s worse than anything Cust has ever put up.
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Yeah, but who are you going to believe — GRM, or GRM?
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by Josh from Hollywood on Apr 4, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Cust's wOBA Last Year Was .342
Unlike Huff, Cust is on a permanent downward trend in my view.
by giantsrainman on Apr 4, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Don’t the Nats totally suck though?
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by Johnny Disaster on Apr 4, 2010 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions
They DFA’d him even though they DL’d Coco Crisp.
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Is he on the DL because of that slide into 2nd on Thursday or Friday?
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by Giant among Angels on Apr 3, 2010 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Or more eloquently…from USA Today:
Oakland Athletics leadoff hitter Coco Crisp will begin the season on the disabled list with a fractured his left pinkie. Crisp was injured Friday while making a headfirst dive while trying to steal second base against San Francisco. He was hit on the hand by Giants second baseman Jose Uribe’s glove and was called out. The initial diagnosis was a dislocated finger, but X-rays revealed the fracture.
the replay they showed during the game today looked pretty bad. His hand was heading north while his pinkie went west.
If Beane Can't Pull Off A Trade This Is A Significant $$$$$ Mistake
By making this decision after March 31st the entire $2.65M is guaranteed. If the decision had been made by the March 31st deadline the A’s would only owe Jack Cust 45 days termination pay.
March 31, 2010
Last day (by 2 p.m. EST) to request unconditional release waivers on a player without having to pay his full 2010 salary. (Only 45 days’ termination pay is due.) CBA, Article IX (B).
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2003/01/important-transaction-dates_03.html
That only non-guaranteed contract though right?
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by say hey nation on Apr 4, 2010 5:39 AM PDT up reply actions
That can’t be for all contracts, can it? Teams would just sign players early in the offseason and then drop them if they find better deals.
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This Is For Non Guaranteed Contracts (Pre Free Agency Years)
by giantsrainman on Apr 4, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
But Cust was non-tendered in December, so he’s already in his FA years. Once the A’s re-signed him in January, they had no way out.
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Non Tendor Doesn't Start Free Agency Years
It does make you a free agent but once you sign you return to being controlled by your arbitration calander if you do not yet have six plus years of MLB service. If the A’s had not DFAed Cust for example he would still be under their control next year as his final year of arbitration. This is also what happened with Brandon Medders. Medders too had been non tendored and signed as a Free Agent but now he is under the Giants control and just had his first year of arbitration with three more to come.
by giantsrainman on Apr 4, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
It's a shame
Beane has gone from perhaps the best GM in baseball to very mediocre quite quickly.
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Beane was the first to spot the market undervaluing OBP, and now that it’s properly valued he can’t afford to play that game anymore. He just hasn’t found another soft spot in the market that he can exploit (on the cheap) well enough to thrive. Oh, and their drafts for position players have sucked, and he’s made quite a few poor trades.
The Mariners and Red Sox found the (potentially) next soft spot
by building their teams based on defense.
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That's true, to a point
But though defense appears to be slightly undervalued in the marketplace, look at the payroll of the Mariners and Red Sox compared to the A’s. Even if Beane had contemporaneously identified this same market imperfection, he’d never have been able to compete for free agents with the Red Sox.
None of which excuses this whole Jack Cust debacle. Assuming no one claims off waivers (which seems like a safe bet), will they actually be able to send him to the minors, or does he become a free agent? If the latter, it just looks like a mountain of fail.
I think Beane tried to jump on the bandwagon
That’s why he signed Crisp and traded for Kouz (after offering a huge contract to Beltre). As far as Cust I think he can either accept the assignment to AAA or refuse it and become a FA.
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For the record, Beane was on the defense kick long before either Boston or Seattle.
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Yeah, I agree
The Mark Kotsay trade was based mostly on his defense.
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The A's were ahead of them
They just didn’t get as much of the pub.
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Ah, that probably explains why I mis-perceived.
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What's weird is that the Blue Jays jumped on that wagon soon after the A's
I have this little belief (whether it’s true or not, I don’t know) that J.P. Ricciardi carbon-copied most of his roster construction from Beane, first with the “Moneyball” type of hitters, then with defense.
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It's probably true since he worked with Beane for so long
but man, he was an awful GM. Wasn’t he the guy who rejected Lincecum for Rios?
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Another Ricciardi error
Supposedly Sabean tried to trade for Rios again at the deadline last year. After rejecting all of Sabean’s offers, he gave him away for nothing later in the year.
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by rxmeister on Apr 5, 2010 5:16 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh, I heard it was JP but I'll take your word for it
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I think it’s just a matter of everyone else catching on to him. Well, not everyone, I guess. *cough *
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You should take a liquigel for that.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Apr 4, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
The A’s still have a very good young core, though – a top-10 farm system, and a bunch of good young pitchers in the majors.
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Sure
That’s why he’s mediocre, because he still does some good things.
The best example, I think, of Beane’s decline is the Ben Sheets signing. This high risk/medium reward signing contrasts highly with the low risk/high reward signings of the past like John Jaha and Frank Thomas.
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I don’t really follow the A’s, so I can’t confidently say if he’s mediocre or not. It definitely looks like the league has caught up to him, but generally, it still seems to me that he does more good moves than bad ones. But he now has two well-run teams in his division, with a payroll about $40M higher than his – even vintage Beane would have had a hard time dealing with that.
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I think he still does some good things – but a lot of bad as well. Especially when he’s given a leash to spend some money, he always seems to do an awful job of spending it. Like, we complain about Sabean spreading a substantial amount of money around to a bunch of marginal players… that’s pretty much exactly what Beane did this offseason.
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I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Apr 4, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Weird.
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The "Logic" Of The Great Sabertist Beane
In explaining the move, general manager Billy Beane pointed to Cust’s inability to get going this spring (he hit .216 with one homer, three RBIs and 20 strikeouts in 51 at-bats). Beane said that the team wants to see what Chavez can do as full-time DH, and both of them are left-handed hitters.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/04/03/SPIN1CPH5C.DTL
I am laughing at you McCoven for your irrational love of “The Great Sabertist Beane” who has now shown himself to be no different then your hated Sabean.
This one stupid move does in fact mean more than a 13-year career. Good point.
And who here loves Beane, let alone irrationally? This entire FanPost is dedicated to criticizing him.
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The Only Thing Stupid About It Was Doing It Post March 31st.
As a personnel decision I agree with choosing a healthy Chavez over Cust.
by giantsrainman on Apr 4, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t know, Cook, I wouldn’t have said it with as much gloating as GRM, but it certainly does appear that Beane would get a lot more leeway than Sabean for similar moves. It would be inconceivable to me to have no personal biases in this, which is why I always distrust claims of objectivity. Humans can’t be objective. Even if the data is objective, the choice of parameter, the choice of which data to gather, not even going into how the data is presented and then analyzed … Personally, I’d find it more trustworthy to discover and admit biases rather than to deny having them. Not that I’m directing this at you personally, or even in this Beane move, but honestly, how many here are completely dispassionate about either Sabean or Beane? Wouldn’t the fury at one or the esteem of the other POSSIBLY affect how people write about and react to bonehead maneuvers?
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you really need to rethink what you know about what everyone else thinks.
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Maybe by ‘everyone’ he means those annoying A’s fans that pop up every now and then…
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by Johnny Disaster on Apr 4, 2010 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Where are people irrationally loving on Beane in here? Everyone in here is criticizing him and saying this seems like a bad move. Did you forget how to read or do you read everything through a “THE MCCOVEN DISAGREE WITH ME!!!!!!!” filter?
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Seriously
The only person who has been irrational in this thread is you.
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I’d take Beane over Sabean. I’d also take a rock over Sabean, so that’s not saying much.
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+1
Even if Beane is now an average MLB GM, he is still far better than Sabean.
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I’m very interested to hear a compelling argument as to why Sabean and Beane are on equal footing, or why Sabean is better than Beane.
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Billy Beane no different than Sabean?
I’ve never seen anything more wrong in my whole life.
Also, this whole “Me vs. the MCC” thing is really getting old.
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Tell us what you really think, Jack.
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by Johnny Disaster on Apr 4, 2010 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I Trust Baseball People Like Billy Beane to Know More About Baseball Than I Do.
I’m sure this makes the A’s better somehow, even if I’m too dumb to see why.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
Beane is a moron
10-12 million on sheets who hasnt pitched competitively since late 08
5 mill on crisp who already has a bad track record of health
Throw 2.65 mill down the drain on Cust.
Sabean made less risky and more impactful short term moves this offseason. Huff had a huge 08 and could easily rebound. Mark my words Wellemeyer would be just as valuable as Sheets who will be DL bound by may. I wish Selig would put the A’s fans out of their misery and contract that team that no one in the bay area cares about. Just hope we can get Carter and Taylor in the dispersal draft to pair with Posey and Pablo in our future offense. Humm Baby!
LOL
Mark my words Wellemeyer would be just as valuable as Sheets
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Sabean made less risky more impactful moves?
Sabean signed a bunch of guys who only marginal improvement over the in-house alternatives (some not at all, I’m looking at you Bengie). The one clear and obvious talent upgrade is an injury-prone player who will start the season on the DL (and necessitated the signing of an expensive backup).
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AFAIK this is a perfectly sound decision in terms of team performance terms. Perhaps the money angle makes it silly, but I’ve never really been able to care about how teams spend their money, with the exception of perhaps the Yankees.
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I’m still a believer. He’s probably stuck shuffling deckchairs for this season, but I bet he’ll build another outstanding team before too long.
The A’s could do anything this year – they’re an extreme high risk-high reward team.
I mean, look at their rotation: Anderson/Sheets/Duchscherer/Cahill/Gonzales – that might be the most talented rotation in the AL. Anderson is a beast who’s just good at everything, Sheets is one of the best pitchers in the majors when he’s healthy, Duchscherer is a very good pitcher, Cahill is just a year removed from being one the best pitching prospects in baseball, and Gonzales is a Jonathan Sanchez clone. If things work out, that’s the best rotation in the AL.
On the other hand, 22 y-o pitchers are unpredictable, Sheets and Duchscherer pitched a collective 0 MLB innings last year, Cahill simply looked like he’s not ready for the majors, and Gonzales is a Jonathan Sanchez clone. There isn’t a single pitcher here who could really be trusted to have a good season, and if things don’t work out, it could get very, very ugly.
They definitely look like they can become a good team soon, but I don’t know if they’ll be able to compete with the Angles and Mariners.
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I believe the Giants and A’s will be very close in wins this season. +/- 2 or so.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Apr 5, 2010 9:29 AM PDT reply actions
Cust is pissed
“I think it’s messed up,” Cust said in a phone interview with The Chronicle after leaving the stadium. "They’re going to go on 50 at-bats after three years of what I’ve done here? It’s ridiculous. A lot of other guys have had bad springs. This is a joke.
“The fact is, this team has no power and they’ve just released a guy who (averaged 28 homers) the last three years. That’s amazing.”
“I’ve busted my butt for them for three years, and I played sporadically this spring and they leave it until the day before the regular season to do this, like they didn’t know what was going on before?” Cust said. “And with Coco [Crisp] on the DL — I’m not good enough to be one of the 25 guys?”
He’s right to be pissed, but he probably shouldn’t be saying it to reporters.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Apr 5, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, but some other GM who might be tempted to give him a contract might be. “Oh, that’s the guy who whines, plays bad defense, and doesn’t hit like a superstar. We don’t need that jerk on our team.”
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Apr 5, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
He got pist and cust.
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by Johnny Disaster on Apr 5, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
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