Who Leaves When Freddy Sanchez Returns From DL?
by giantsrainman on Apr 27, 2010 2:34 PM PDT
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PrintIt is pretty clear to me that Matt Downs will return to Fresno when Aaron Rowand comes of the DL around May 3rd. I am less sure what the Giants will do around May 10th when Freddy Sanchez seems likely to return from the DL. In your answer to the following poll tell me what you think the Giants will do and in your comments to this fanpost tell me what you think the Giants should do.
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If only there was a Grant post about this very same subject. It just isn’t talked about enough.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Apr 27, 2010 2:36 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I Am Interested In Polls Answers Not Discussion Here.
by giantsrainman on Apr 27, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
My answer isn't on your poll
Sanchez isn’t coming back
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Apr 27, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I Wish I Had a Piece Of Goofus' Bet With You On This.
You are dead wrong.
by giantsrainman on Apr 27, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah
What is wrong is pretending this poll and post is any different than what Grant is asking.
But hey, whatever gets you through the night.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Apr 27, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
The Difference Is Obvious
Grant’s post asks what to do with the infield playing time for 5 players (Huff, Sanchez, Renteria, Sandoval , and Uribe while my post asks who will be removed from the 25 man roster and who should be removed from the 25 man roster. These questions are not the same in any respect.
by giantsrainman on Apr 27, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Whatever you say!
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Apr 27, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
In The First 397 Reply's to Grants Post Not A One Addressed These Questions
Again, the difference is obvious to anyone not just looking for something to bitch about.
by giantsrainman on Apr 27, 2010 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Absolutely!
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Apr 27, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with rainman
This is very different than Grants post.
by cybermaldonado on Apr 27, 2010 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I Am Interested In Polls Answers Not Discussion Here.
and in your comments to this fanpost tell me what you think the Giants should do
ORLY
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Apr 27, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
A Second Poll Without Making A Second Fanpost
Discussion was not asked for. Further, Grant’s post does not discuss this. Grant post discusses how to manage the playing time of in essence 5 starting infielders.
by giantsrainman on Apr 27, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
But if you read the discussion, you’ll actually get a better idea of what people think.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Apr 27, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I did not read carefully enough. I voted for what I thought they should do (Velez to AAA), not what I thought they will do, then read your last couple sentences. To me, the excuse for Velez is we need an IF option (regardless of how bad he is, he’s certainly more of an IF than Bowker and Schierholtz). With that gone, I’d prefer them. Not gonna get into the reasons as I’ve had this discussion with you previously.
by Missing Barry on Apr 27, 2010 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Torres for sure
Bowker provides much needed power
Sabaen has a huge crush on Velez and loves him some VRRRRROOOOOOOOOM VRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
Joaquin is useful. We have too many outfielders anyway.
Uribe wil be a super utility guy
The 13th man
"Who Wants some pudding pops?, delicious and nutritious!
Only on the Giants would one of your most competent hitters be the 13th man.
"Forget it Donny, you're out of your element"-Walter Sobchak
by icanplaythird on Apr 27, 2010 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Bowkerprovidesmuch needed power
if Freddie Sanchez, Mark DeRosa and Aubrey Huff are the answer, I guess I just didn't understand the question.
SSS FTW
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga... CHONE WAR projection= 12.7
Current Team: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Molina, Renteria, Schierholtz... CHONE WAR projection= 12.6
Assume Nobody Else Goes On The DL And Then Vote.
by giantsrainman on Apr 27, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I am fairly certain that he does not consider you his supervisor/instructor.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga... CHONE WAR projection= 12.7
Current Team: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Molina, Renteria, Schierholtz... CHONE WAR projection= 12.6
Oh wait, just actually read the fanpost, instead of only the poll options.
/shrugs
.277/.399/.518 out of a shortstop?!
Keep on, keepin' on, Ryan Cavan
He Is Likely To Be Send down Earlier When Rowand Is Activated From The DL
Try reading the whole post before you reply as I said this above to open this fanpost.
by giantsrainman on Apr 27, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Just Noted That Above
Try reading all the replies before replying, thanks.
.277/.399/.518 out of a shortstop?!
Keep on, keepin' on, Ryan Cavan
I was reading while you were typing “I was typing while you were typing” and now I’m typing.
by The Double Deuce on Apr 27, 2010 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you get some unnecessary shit sometimes. For example, I think this is different from Grant’s front-page post. However, when you say something like this that comes across as nothing but snide, especially since the poster already corrected himself, you just sound like an ass.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Apr 27, 2010 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
When I Started That Reply He Had Not Yet Posted His Correction.
by giantsrainman on Apr 27, 2010 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Fair enough, but I really think making snide comments like that is uncalled for. You could simply point out that you assumed Downs was already returned to Fresno. I’m not trying to call you names, I’m just saying how a comment like that comes across to me. I might be sensitive to that, but I assume it comes across poorly to other people too.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Apr 27, 2010 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I Didn't View It As Snide But Rather As Just Factual.
However, sense you did (as did ryanmiles) I accept your criticism as valid and will try and phrase such factual comments more delicately in the future.
by giantsrainman on Apr 27, 2010 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Well how about in the future
We just leave the snark at home? Even had I not corrected myself, it’s really not that big of a deal. I know the internet is SERIOUS BUSINESS! and everything, but yeesh.
.277/.399/.518 out of a shortstop?!
Keep on, keepin' on, Ryan Cavan
Again I Didn't Think Of It Or Mean It As Snark
But I get that you did and thus the critism is valid and I will try to phrase things more delicately in the future.
by giantsrainman on Apr 27, 2010 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I get you may not have – I often don’t realize how people will understand what I say. I’m just saying how I understood it.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Apr 27, 2010 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions
You gotta hold on to Waldis. The bullpen needs him.
Bowker to AAA would be useless for him, but it would get him more PT (ugh). And I don’t want to DFA Torres (his defense is good, and his hitting seems to be coming around), and Velez (fast, good defender, versatile).
Bandwagoners are the prostitutes of fandom.
The Bullpen Would Really Miss Waldis' 9.52 ERA In Just 4.2 Innings?
These 4.2 innings could not have been picked up easily by the other 6 members of the bullpen at less then an inning each with better results? This logic alludes me.
by giantsrainman on Apr 27, 2010 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I hadn’t given that option real consideration, but I probably would agree with you here – get rid of a reliever. We employ too many. Waldis could definitely use more time in AAA and isn’t contributing much here, both in ability, and in the simple fact that he doesn’t pitch often.
by Missing Barry on Apr 27, 2010 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s pitched all of 25.1 innings above AA (and only 54 IP at AA)…..maybe he is learning, but I think he has a lot he could work on down in the minors, too. Do you think he’d learn more in a limited role here or in a bigger role in AAA?
by Missing Barry on Apr 27, 2010 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I was weighing those two options.
I tend to think that demoting him would discourage him rather than motivate him. After a few solid outings in the majors, he should get his confidence. The other day after a rough outing, I saw the Panda go to him and put his head against Joaquin’s, giving him some words of confidence. His teammates believe in him, as well as Bochy, who is just going with the guys that are pitching well right now, like Mota, which is good. He’ll let Joaquin cool off and just get his mechanics together in practice. Another rough outing or two and he’ll probably be in Fresno for a couple of weeks.
Bandwagoners are the prostitutes of fandom.
I think getting shelled in the majors and/or never being used by Bochy would hurt his confidence more
I’d send him down and let him develop at Fresno…I don’t think he’s major league ready yet.
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I disagree because:
-Giants have had a glut of off days so far, which has made it easier for Bochy to use the studs in the pen without wearing them down.
-3 days off in May, 3 in June, so the above advantage won’t be around anymore.
-As great as I think the starting staff is, I don’t think it can continue to be this good. The pen will have to start picking up more innings.
I’d prefer DFAing Velez but I doubt that happens.
Not sure what to do about my screen name at this point...
by AngelWillSaveUs on Apr 27, 2010 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I honestly forgot that we had Joaquin.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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Umm, Velez is NOT a GOOD defender. He’s an OK defender, in some situations. Also, he’s not really versatile. I understand that it may look that way because the Giants want to stick him at every position but catcher (BOCHY DON’T YOU DARE!) but him not being really good at any of them pretty much negates his versatility.
Also, he’s 28 years old and still looks really fucking confused out there. If he hasn’t figured it out by now, chances are he’s not gonna.
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by Prussian Creole on Apr 28, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah Velez is a decent LF
He sucks everywhere else
Adopted Giant: Mike Krukow.
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And as LFs go
he’s a terrible hitter.
Adoptive parent of Kevin Frandsen, now stopping gaps in Boston...I mean Pawtucket.
by EliminateMe on Apr 28, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
TBH
As baseball players go he’s a terrible hitter
Adopted Giant: Mike Krukow.
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K.F.I.S.T.F.
Hoping for BowkerMania to get consistent playing time at AT&T Park
He’d be a pretty good hitting pitcher.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Apr 28, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Bowker to the Blue Jays
for PBTL or cash
I am the adopted son of Willie...Willie McCovey.
Bowker, 1 million dollars, a PBTL for Fred Lewis
"Who Wants some pudding pops?, delicious and nutritious!
No mention of Ishikawa? I think he may get the DFA.
"Don't trust anyone under the age of 30" - Brian Sabean
by Smotheredinhugs on Apr 27, 2010 8:56 PM PDT reply actions
Velez and Ishikawa are both useless
But it will be Bowker.
The solution
- DFA Velez
- Send Joaquin to AAA until he can aim
- Send Bowker to AAA until he can hit
- Call up Posey to hit
- Call up Ford to take Bowker’s role
- Call up Pucetas, start Pucetas
- Put Wellenmeyer in relief until he gets his shit together. No, one good start doesn’t count
Pucetas isn’t exactly tearing up AAA, now is not the time to call him up and kill is confidence. His whip is actually higher in AAA than Wellemeyers is facing real big leaguers
Bleh
Breaking my heart. By the way:
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/photos/post-game-thread-wellemeyer-shines/762695
The AP caption says “San Francisco RELIEF PITCHER Todd Wellenmeyer”….
He has been a relief pitcher in the past…
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga... CHONE WAR projection= 12.7
Current Team: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Molina, Renteria, Schierholtz... CHONE WAR projection= 12.6
So send the guy who won the PCL MVP last year back to the PCL
and call up a guy who spent 3 years in A+ ball and currently has a .693 OPS in AA?
Adopted Giant: Mike Krukow.
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K.F.I.S.T.F.
Hoping for BowkerMania to get consistent playing time at AT&T Park
Yeah, there is no way Ford deserves a spot on the 25-man at this point. Dude is a fringe prospect at best and IS STILL IN AA!
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Yeah I think Ford is the perfect example
as to why Spring Training stats mean nothing
Adopted Giant: Mike Krukow.
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K.F.I.S.T.F.
Hoping for BowkerMania to get consistent playing time at AT&T Park
Joe Martinez, not Pucetas. Bowker/Ford swap doesn’t make sense, not gonna address why.
by Missing Barry on Apr 28, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Brian Sabean
At least that’s who should be leaving.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
And I voted for Bowker
Not because it should happen, but because it will happen. It should be Velez getting the DFA, but everyone knows that won’t happen.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Cynicism FTW!
That’s how I voted. They’ve staked themselves to Velez; management’s not backing down for fear of looking weak.
by Every6thDay on Apr 29, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Clearly The McCoven Is As Unsure About This As I Am
All one can really conclude for the answers to the poll is that Andres Torres will not be the one to go.
Another precinct reports:
What they should do: get that cancer Velez off the roster.
More generally (keeping in mind that this is not suggested as absolute optimum, only relative optimum, meaning the best they can do with is already in the organization—no hypothetical trades):
. outfield: four-man rotation: DeRosa in LF, Rowand in CF, Schierholtz in RF, Torres rotated through each position in turn, each guy plays 3 days out of four; Torres leadoff when playing, Schierholtz otherwise.
. middle infield: three-man rotation: FSanchez at 2B, Renteria at SS, Uribe rotated through both positions, each guy plays 2 days out of 3.
. corner infield: Sandoval at 3B, Huff at 1B, Posey (called up) gets some time at 1B and some at catcher.
catcher: Molina, with Posey assuming ever more time; Whiteside as backup and mentor for Posey (since he is obviously worlds better defensively than BM).
That’s 12 men, which in my long-held opinion, should be enough, allowing more flexibility in pitching with a 13-man staff. If that’s too radical, leave Bowker in the mix as a bench player.
Gone: Velez (for FSanchez), Ishikawa (for Posey), Downs (for Rowand).
One could do materially better than almost anyone there save The Panda and maybe, when he’s the main catcher, Posey; but all in all, it’s not a bad squad to support a pitching staff such as the G’s now have. But note that the key is not only keeping the best available on the roster, but using them intelligently, so everyone gets enough playing time to stay on his game and contribute in proportion to his real ability (probably needs at least 2/3 play time, certainly more than half) while leaving everyone well rested for the dog days and the stretch.
The pitching is another matter . . . .
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