minor lines, 4/19/10
Highlights from the Giants' farm: Madison Bumgarner allowed just 1 ER in 6.0 IP; among hitters, Brandon Belt and Daniel Cook both doubled twice and singled. Also notable was Chris Dominguez's 11th inning HR.
AAA: Fresno defeated Portland 3-2Fresno: SS Ryan Rohlinger: 1 for 3, BB, SO
Fresno: C Buster Posey: 1 for 4, 2B
Fresno: LF Jesus Guzman: 1 for 3, HR, SO
Fresno: SP Madison Bumgarner: 6.0 IP, 3 H, 2 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 3 K--1 HR, 1 E
Fresno: RP Steven Edlefsen: 2.0 IP, 2 H, 1 K
Portland: SP Josh Geer: 6.0 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 0 BB, 6 K--1 HR
Guzman's solo HR was his first XBH of the year. With just five hits through his first nine games, his AVG remains below the Mendoza line, as well as his OPS below .600. Rohlinger was the only Grizzly to reach base twice. Top prospect Posey had his first double of the year.
Bumgarner's third start was clearly his most effective of the year. After having more ER than IP in both of his previous two starts, this quality start managed to get his ERA below 9.00. He also had a 10/4 GO/FO line, although his GO/AO ratio was below 1.00 last year. He threw 51 of 74 pitches for strikes. Edlefsen allowed a couple hits, but both runners subsequently ran into outs in the basepaths, so Edlefsen faced just the minimum six batters in two innings. Geer, who spent most of last year in the majors with the Padres, matched Bumgarner's quality start allowing two runs in six innings.
AA: Richmond defeated New Britain 4-3
Richmond: CF Darren Ford: 2 for 3, 3B, SH, CS
Richmond: LF Thomas Neal: 1 for 3, BB
Richmond: RF Clay Timpner: 2 for 3
Richmond: SP Clayton Tanner: 5.2 IP, 6 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 3 BB, 2 K--1 HB
Richmond: RP Jake Stevens: 1.1 IP, 2 K
New Britain: SP Carlos Gutierrez: 6.0 IP, 4 H, 3 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 4 K
Ford and Timpner each had two of the Flying Squirrels' seven hits. While Ford is off to a relatively slow start with a .231 AVG, Timpner has hit a blistering .474 (9 for 19) to start the season. Neal also reached base twice.
Tanner fell a bit short of a quality start. Although he allowed his share of baserunners, he kept the damage to two runs. His ERA remains below 3.00 through three starts. Making his fourth relief appearance, Stevens struck out two of the four batters he faced. Gutierrez, the Twins' first round pick two years ago, had his first quality start of the year.
A+: San Jose lost to Visalia 8-4
San Jose: 2B-3B Ryan Lormand: 2 for 4, BB, SO
San Jose: 1B Brandon Belt: 3 for 5, 2 2B
San Jose: DH Drew Biery: 0 for 2, 2 BB, HBP
San Jose: RF Juan Perez: 2 for 3, 2B, BB, GiDP
San Jose: SP Aaron King: 3.2 IP, 3 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 4 BB, 3 K
Belt had three hits, including his 3rd and 4th doubles. Lormand, Biery, and Perez also reached base three times. While Perez's .344 AVG is impressive, the other three aforementioned Giants all have more impressive AVGs of .400 or higher to start the season.
After issuing just one walk in his first start, King issued four walks in this start. His ERA rose above 5.00 as he took the loss.
A-: Augusta defeated Charleston 5-2 (11 innings)
Augusta: CF Daniel Cook: 3 for 6, 2 2B, 2 SO
Augusta: DH Chris Dominguez: 1 for 4, HR, BB, 3 SO
Augusta: SS Juan Martinez: 3 for 5, CS
Augusta: SP Jeremy Toole: 4.1 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 3 BB< 4 K
Augusta: RP Devan Kline: 2.0 IP, 3 K
Cook and Martinez each had three hits. With a .326 AVG, Cook has hit in all but one of the GreenJackets' fourteen games. Martinez got his AVG above the Mendoza line. For the second day in a row, the GreenJackets enjoyed a walk-off HR, this time with Dominguez delivering the big three-run, one-out blow in the 11th inning, his 2nd HR of the year.
Toole, the Giants' tenth round selection a year ago, pitched a bit deeper in his second start, but he has still yet to reach five full innings. Kline, who signed as a non-drafted free agent last summer, struck out three of the six batters he faced in two perfect innings.
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Bumgarner reportedly was around 92-93 all game long last night, while occasionally topping out at 94. http://twitter.com/GuyHaberman
Bumgarner Watch ‘10: Madison Bumgarner’s first fastballs tonight clocked at 93, 92, 93, 92 on stadium radar #sfgiants
Madison Bumgarner allows his 4th HR of the year on a wall-scraper to LF, has allowed 2 R, 3H in 3 inn of work, hit 94 with his FB #sfgiants
Consistently 92/93 on FB, 94 a couple times
Don’t know how reliable that radar gun is, but I couldn’t find any other info outside of that guy and the fresno grizzly pitch-fx guy.
I recall the Phillies stadium clocking Timmy at 88 last year.
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by say hey nation on Apr 20, 2010 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions
*Fastball topping out at 88.
Basically don’t trust any park radar reading.
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by say hey nation on Apr 20, 2010 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions
This
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by Lars The Wanderer on Apr 20, 2010 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe
I’d be willing to unpress the panic button if he had more than 3Ks. Until he starts striking guys out, though, I’ll remain pessimistic.
I remain skeptical..
When I saw pitch on April 9 in Reno, he never broke 88 mph.
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by bondslegend on Apr 20, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I have pics to post, but that weekend kind of broke me down. MadBum no velocity, Buster throwing behind a runner with the guy caught hanging out between 2B and 3B, Pucetas getting raked on Opening Day.
On a positive note, both Bond and Boyer were a surprise.
When your two “studs” have a dismal showing, it can get depressing. Buster can hit, no doubt about it. I think SABORK may have gotten this one right on the lack of experience at Catcher. Hope to see Buster up in July.
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by bondslegend on Apr 20, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Madison doesn’t have swing-through stuff!
Also, I hope Ford is heating up. I really have a lot of hope for him.
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by capn on Apr 20, 2010 11:34 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I hate when I mistake other team’s players for ours. I was all HEY WHOS THIS JOSH GEE….wait, nevermind.
Also, Brandon Belt rules. The guy even has five steals.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Apr 20, 2010 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Belt
.441/.524/.647 in his first 11 pro games. 5 XBH, 5 BB, 5 SB and only 4 k in 41 PA. Now that’s starting the career off right!
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by bondslegend on Apr 20, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Considering Belt is 22 now (Happy Birthday, Brandon!), how long do they wait to promote him to Richmond if he keeps hitting?
In the past, the Giants typically waited until mid to late May to promote players. That makes sense because you don’t want to promote guys just because he was hot, you want to make sure that he’s consistently hitting well before you promote him.
The good news is that the Giants don’t have any firstbaseman in AA to block him, just Amort and D’Alessio are getting playing time there, so when Belt is ready, he would get to start at Richmond.
If he continues to hit as well as he is now, he could get the call early, like Crawford did last season in rising to AA from San Jose 1-2 weeks into May, and hopefully Richmond won’t be as punishing as Dodd Stadium is on power hitters (though so far, most of the hitters are struggling in one way or another; the only really good performance has been Conor Gillaspie so far). Looks like they could use the offensive boost that Belt might give.
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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Apr 20, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
I remember him being really skinny in last year’s College World Series.
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by Giant Homer on Apr 20, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe when he’s called up Belt can room with Panda. They could be good gastronomic influences on each other.
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by Johnny Disaster on Apr 20, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
So what this is telling me is that our 3 most ML ready SP could all turn out to be Sinkerballers? If only they could face the Giants!
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Of course they are sinkerballers!
Getting ground balls plays right into the teeth of our rangey infielders!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Apr 20, 2010 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions
rangey infielders!
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by say hey nation on Apr 20, 2010 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Wait, you must be talking about the infield of Panda-Crawford-Rohlinger-Ishikawa. Oh…wait. shit.
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by Speedforthewin on Apr 20, 2010 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions
+1
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+2
It’s hard not to worry where the zip goes, but we’ve seen pitchers who have it – then mysteriously lose some of it – and amazingly enough they’re still effective!
Hmm, who comes to mind…ehh, I dunno. Some kid.
I get the strikeout thing if you don’t trust your defense.
Darren Ford caught stealing?
OMG, he’s mortal after all. Trade bait.
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by victor frankenstein on Apr 20, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Has nothing to do with defense
Strikeouts are just much more effective in preventing hits than allowing another ball into play.
It is also more effective in preventing runs, a study by THT showed that high strikeout pitchers with similar K/BB to low strikeout pitchers, had lower ERAs generally, even though they had very high walk rates to go with their high strikeout rate.
And when I examined it further, it makes sense. Each additional 2 strikeouts you can get results in roughly one less hit you give up, because without the two strikeouts, you need to get two outs in the field, and to have a BABIP of roughly .300, that means you give up one more hit, roughly, for each two strikeouts you give up.
Meanwhile, to keep the K/BB ratio about the same, that means you give up one more walk than the other pitcher who strike out two less. So essentially, by being able to strike out more while also walking more, you are trading off giving up one more walk while giving up one less hit, which results in a slightly better ERA over time.
Still, you have to trust your defense because generally over 70% of all outs come from your fielders, and even if you have a guy who has a 9 K/9, there is still 67% of your outs coming from fielders. That is why it is so important to keep your overall defense above the league average.
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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Apr 20, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
That’s really interesting especially in light of the discussion we had last week about how with regard to high strikeout hitters, an out is an out is an out. But statistically that never made sense to me based on the idea that if you get the ball in play, you have a 30% chance of getting a hit. Someone help me with this.
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by capn on Apr 20, 2010 11:38 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
you're confusing a coupla different metrics here
the RUN VALUE of a K is roughly equal to any other kind of out. The data prove this. but that doesn’t necessarily mean they have the same impact on batting avg etc.
again i suggest reading Tango http://www.tangotiger.net/strikeout.html
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this is all balanced out by the fact that high-K rate hitters in the majors are generally guys with power — they’re not guys who beat out infield dribblers.
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- An out is out.
- Hitters who have a high AVG but strike out often are not worse than hitters who have a high AVG but do not strike often. The latter type is much more common, though, which is why you don’t want your prospects to strike out a lot – it means that they’re not likely to keep a high average. But once they’ve proven that they can (or can’t) keep a high AVG, you no longer need to care about their K’s. Once again – hitter K’s are only important because of their effect on AVG.
- Pitchers who have a low H/9 and a high K/9 are not better than pitchers who have a low H/9 and a low K/9. But there’s a catch – the latter group does not exist. Pitchers cannot keep a low H/9 without striking batters out. If you think that’s crazy talk – try to one major league pitcher who has consistently put up a good H/9 and a bad K/9. Maybe you’ll find a knuckellballer or two, but that’s it (and I doubt that, too). This is why K/9 is EXTREMELY important for pitching prospects – it’s the best way to predict their ability to prevent hits at the major league level.
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I don’t know about that last bit; when you start getting 8-9 K/9, yeah, 67-70% of outs may be coming from fielders, but what percentage of those are actually well-hit balls? Taking a 20% LD rate, you get 0.7*0.2 = 0.14, so only 14% of outs result in a line drive, while 86% result in a strikeout or a groundball or a fly ball. I would question whether high-strikeout pitchers really need range and arm strength behind them when you have that many routine flyouts and groundouts.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 20, 2010 10:15 AM PDT reply actions
I demand regular Tommy Joseph updates
He went 2-5 with a BB and a K.
No word yet on light-tower-ness.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Apr 20, 2010 10:28 AM PDT reply actions
GOOD THING POSEY IS STILL IN AAA!
no fucking way he could possibly help the offense! Better keep trotting the same old shit out there, Bochy, and wonderin why oh why we keep scoring 2 runs/ game, you fucking empty headed moron.
Jesus christ this team is a joke.
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I mean seriously
has he failed to reach base in a game yet?
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by bondslegend on Apr 20, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
it won’t be long now, unless he goes 0-4 and then the Giants will call up Steve Holm b/c Posey is not hot enough.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Apr 20, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, a joke team that was 8-4 with almost all of our regulars in the lineup.
Plus, if you take two key contributors out of almost any lineup that isn’t bought by Steinbrenner or Red Sox, you are going to have trouble scoring runs, particularly if you are in two extreme pitchers parks like Dodger Stadium and Petco Park.
Lastly, 1B and C are the least of our problems offensively.
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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Apr 20, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Give me a break
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by bondslegend on Apr 20, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
a break on what?
Are you disagreeing with Martin?
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yes
because citing the team’s record over 12 games against questionable talent (the good teams were missing good players) is not a way to evaluate them. When a team thinks that eufuckingenio velez is a good option to play every day, but thinks Buster Posey isn’t ready because “he’s not good enough on defense” (yeah, eugenio’s is ok, buster’s isn’t- THAT is a joke), then they ARE a joke of a franchise. That is retarded.
Other than that, he was right. When the regulars go down, obviously the team will get worse, but they don’t need to get THIS much worse. They have decent options and aren’t using them.
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Yes, the Giants management drives me crazy too, but what’s the problem here? They’re holding down the long-term salary obligations to Posey, giving him a low-pressure setting in which to develop his catching skills, and making sure he’s really ready with the bat. And as a cherry on top, Molina’s hitting well and the team’s in first place! Things really couldn’t be going any better at the moment, catching-wise.
by Evan on Apr 20, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
/watches last 2 games
doesn’t see any way for the offense to improve.
I’d agree with you, but as long as they keep running torres and velez out there, I’m going to be pissed off that Posey isn’t helping the big club.
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by bondslegend on Apr 20, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Seriously, i'm getting sick of seeing both Torres, and Velez in the outfield, i'm fine with Nate, but seriously
they need to stick to their guns with Bowker and just have him play for a while… i do agree on Molina though however, where’s he playing better.
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Given Molina’s bat, I’m actually pretty okay with the situation as of now. Once he hits the 0 for 20 and starts swinging at balls three feet outside the zone, I’ll get pissed, but for now everything’s all right. I think most of the anger at Posey going to AAA was because Molina won’t be hitting this well all year, and because re-signing him was really unnecessary because Posey is probably ready. It’s not that Posey can’t benefit from an extra year in AAA, it’s that in all probability, the overall benefit to the organization from making him the primary catcher is probably much better than retaining Molina.
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I think I’m in this line as well. I’m just going to enjoy the bore/thrill/frustration roller coaster and see where it goes.
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My only problem with this idea
Is that Posey, if called up, would play at either 1b or Catcher, right?
Our offensive production out of those positions is more than adequate right now. Calling up Posey, at least at this point, improves our offense almost none.
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by bondslegend on Apr 20, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
(I do agree)
the positions he would play are not in need right now. But it’s just frustrating to see him absolutely destroying the minors while our big club hacks and flaps its way to 3 runs in 2 games.
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by bondslegend on Apr 20, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
we're all frustrated, yeah.
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yeah man, they REALLY need to get Molina and that 915 OPS out of the lineup. What a joke!
by FluLikeSymptoms on Apr 20, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
IKR
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by bondslegend on Apr 20, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Funny thing is…we are actually second in the MAJORS in runs scored
http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/team?stat=batting&year=2010&seasontype=2&league=nl
Granted after the Yankees and Dodgers play their 13th game we will probably be in 4th
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by say hey nation on Apr 20, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Way to go, son!
If you swing the bat well, you may get called up to the big club as a reserve outfielder, cause your defense can’t be much worse then what they are trotting out now.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Apr 20, 2010 12:03 PM PDT reply actions
Who the hell is Joseph Ford Belt? He sounds like he should be running for class President at Princeton.
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