Requiem for Fred Lewis
by Grant Brisbee on Apr 16, 2010 10:12 AM PDT
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PrintIt seemed weird that this site was one of the main hubs for Fred Lewis love. I liked the guy, sure, but I never thought of him as anything more than a fourth outfielder. Well, occasionally I’d get caught putting unfair expectations on him, but that’s just an example of the Fred Lewis Theorem:
When an offense is so indescribably bad that there’s only one hitter with an average on-base percentage, fans who understand sabermetric basics will exaggerate that player’s value and/or potential.
Guilty, for the most part. But I didn’t have a problem with the Giants looking for a better option this offseason. Whether or not Mark DeRosa is that better option is up to you. And as long as I’m dropping theorems, let me dig into the vault with an updated version of the Armchair Scout Theorem:
If a player or team is underperforming, and his problems can be traced to an easily identified fault, the struggles of the player or team will be blown out of proportion
It’s not a perfect fit for Lewis, as he had a couple of quirks that drove people nuts, but when the Giants failed to score for the 173rd consecutive inning with runners on base, and Fred Lewis was the guy who made the third out, it was easy to pop a blood vessel thinking about Fred Lewis, strikeout machine. The reasons why the Giants had problems scoring were myriad, but when Fred Lewis ended a threat with a strikeout, it was an easily identifiable flaw that needed to be excised from the lineup.
The key to that last one, though, was the word "armchair." You’d expect a fairer analysis from the folks running the team, but once again we’re looking at how bizarrely the Giants handled a player. Fred Lewis...
- came up in ‘07, Barry Bonds’s last season, and put up a .374 on-base percentage in limited at-bats
- started in ‘08 only after Dave Roberts was injured. Think about that with the benefit of hindsight for a minute. A 90-loss team that needed to get younger wanted to start Dave Roberts over Fred Lewis
- performed well as a starter in his first full season, and then was penciled in as the #3 hitter the next season. Why? Because the team expected him to magically develop power at the age of 27, even though he had never hit more than 12 home runs at any professional level.
- lost his job in the middle of a slump that brought his numbers just slightly below what was expected
- never regained his job even as he got hot and his replacement got cold
Bizarre. Again, it’s not as if Lewis is going to morph into Stan Musial on another team, but that’s just a weird sequence. It’s so, so Giants, though. And now Lewis is gone because the Giants need a spot on the bench for an outfielder who can’t hit lefties, who makes odd baserunning mistakes despite his speed, and who takes poor routes in the field. In other words, they needed someone with the exact same easily identifiable flaws, but who doesn’t get on base. I don’t want to get too glib: Velez can play second base poorly, which is quite the necessity on a team with Juan Uribe and Mark DeRosa. But if anyone has a legitimate reason why they would keep Velez over Lewis, I’d love to read it. For some reason, Velez was always given the benefit of the doubt.
There’s a chance this could embarrass the Giants, but I’m not going to worry about what Lewis might be able to do if he taps into his supposed potential. I’ll just worry about what he could have been for the Giants this year -- a good bench player and spot starter on a team that could use more players with a little plate discipline. I’m sure the cash considerations for Kevin Frandsen and Lewis will subsidize that extra tier of movie channels for the clubhouse cable box. That’s just a boffo allocation of resources, there.
Good night, and good luck, Fred. You deserved better.
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Good night, and good luck, Fred. You deserved better.
Amen, Grant.
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
Good luck Freddy.
/pours out some Anaconda Malt Liquor
/auto-defenestrates
by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Apr 16, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Good Luck Freddy
/pours out some Colt 45
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by say hey nation on Apr 16, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Good Luck Freddy
/shoot Colt .45 wildly into the air.
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Good Luck Freddy
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Good Luck Freddy
/Goes 0-8
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SCIENCE
Good Luck Freddy
/drops a baseball in his honor
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by zodiac_chiller on Apr 16, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Good Luck, Fred.
I found out at 14 how awful Colt .45 is.
(If I were Lewis I’d be insulted!)
Shortly thereafter I found out just how sick you can get mixing it with rum.
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by victor frankenstein on Apr 16, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Good luck Fred, hope you fair better than you did in San Francisco
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Good bye Fred
We’ll miss you. Now it’s time for Bowkermania. Turn the page.
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by jctGamer on Apr 16, 2010 10:15 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
F.WHO?
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Apr 16, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I just traveled back in time about 25 years...
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
It’s all right Grant, you can say it. The bizarre Lewis fixation on McC was all my fault. ;_;
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"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
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by Johnny Disaster on Apr 16, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
WE APPLY THE BALM TO JPORNY!!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Apr 16, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Is no bomb,
Bomb is bad.
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It’s a dangerous animal! It could bite him!
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by EliminateMe on Apr 16, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Who told you to put a balm on?
These pretzels are making me thirsty
by NuschlerFace on Apr 16, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
When he takes the starting center field job in Toronto and puts up an .815 OPS, there will be another.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Apr 16, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
and is a 3 win player on defense
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
“HAI GUYZ HE DIDN’T DROP ANY BALLZ FOR BLU-JAYZ WUT GIVES”
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Apr 16, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah, but he will
Dumped Edgar Renteria and adopted Buster Posey. Biggest upgrade since George Jefferson moved up to a deluxe apartment on the east side!
He'll probably be as dropsy for the Jays
as he was for the Giants in 2008.. Meaning.. Occasionally drop something, but no one will hate him for it nearly as much as they did in 2009.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Apr 16, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, I just want to say, I still think it’s bizarre that if you go and look at the game logs, around the time Lewis was benched (more or less for good) he was hitting for around a .770 OPS! I mean, there’s no question he was in a slump, but his overall numbers were still decent, and they’d been sort of fluctuating between .770 and .800 for about a month (more or less what you would expect from him, right?)
He didn’t hit very much for awhile after the slump, so his overall numbers got all dragged down again, but it’s still bizarre to me to go and look and see that, overall, he really wasn’t hitting that poorly when he was benched.
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it was just too easy to wrap the struggling start around Lewis' neck
and kick him into the abyss. “we’ve solved our problem”
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He slumped in June, but was pretty good in SSS the rest of the season. He never got an increase in PA’s though.
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
OMG TED GINN!!!!!
And the Giants are fucking morons.
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LOL CAM CAMERON
but remember, when you trade for ted ginn, you trade for ted ginn’s whole family! That’s gotta be worth something!
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
I was trying to remember what stupid thing he said. Genius.
by chilibean_3 on Apr 16, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
You boo now
but just wait until you see him returnin kicks in a dolphins uniform!!
/team goes 1-15
BTW, The guy picked 2 spots after Ginn? Patrick Willis.
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
as a Jets’ fan, I am glad to see Ginn traded to the 49ers. We were the only team Ginn played well against. Returned two kickoffs for TD’s in the same game against us, and somehow when he got open against the Jets he never dropped the ball.
Dumped Edgar Renteria and adopted Buster Posey. Biggest upgrade since George Jefferson moved up to a deluxe apartment on the east side!
This. Glad to see him out of the AFC East.
He was our kryptonite. God, I hate the Dolphins.
More targets for Jimmy Clausen!
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by howtheyscored on Apr 16, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I’ll be shocked if he falls to us.
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by howtheyscored on Apr 16, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I’ll be shocked if he’s a worth a shit player.
by chilibean_3 on Apr 16, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t be shocked. He’s clearly a talented player and the only other quarterback in the draft who even sniffs at Sam Bradford for talent, and he’s clearly worthy of a top-10 pick in this year’s draft. At that point, he’s as much of a coin flip as any other highly touted quarterback.
I’d be okay with the value at the pick. If he drops to the 49ers, you’d be hard-pressed not to call him the BPA. And in a worst-case scenario we just flip him for draft picks in two years.
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by howtheyscored on Apr 16, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Fuck and NO
I don’t see it from Clausen. DNWDNWDNWWWWWWW
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
I'll kill someone if they draft him
That would almost make me as mad as Tebow. God damnit, DONT FUCKING DRAFT JIMMY CLAUSEN
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
I’d finally have somebody to really hate on the 49ers again. Here I’ve been respecting Crabtree and Davis like a sucker.
by chilibean_3 on Apr 16, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Sorta
I was on all 3 of their bandwagons hoping we’d draft them, so I’m pretty effing stoked they all turned out so well. We’re fortunate that our team has hit that many HRs in the first round, that’s pretty rare.
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Jimmy Clausen seems almost as divisive among fans as Tebow. Not for the same reasons, but still.
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by howtheyscored on Apr 16, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Jimmy Clausen seems almost as divisive among fans as Tebow F DOT TEH LEWIS. Not for the same reasons, but still.
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by say hey nation on Apr 16, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I think he's MASSIVELY overrated
I think Tebow is not even a QB, that’s why that pick would be awful (btw, is there anyone advocating for tebow? IDK if it’s “divisive” if there’s no one on the other side)
Clausen just seems like he’s not very good.
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Without having seen more game-film on Clausen, I really don’t see what about his resume screams “not very good.”
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by howtheyscored on Apr 16, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I've watched him play
not a ton, but I just do not want him on my favorite team. There are scouts who know what they’re talking about (daniel jeremiah for one) who say he’s barely even a 2nd round talent.
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
I will say that he has one ugly pig face, and I wouldn’t exactly enjoy looking at that all the time. At least Alex Smith is a good looking dude.
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by howtheyscored on Apr 16, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Alex Smith looks awkward though.
I have a friend that went to high school with Jimmy Clausen, he says he’s a total dick. Quarterbacks are a position that I would prefer good character from.
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Apr 17, 2010 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions
honestly dude, i wouldn’t care if Clausen is on the Niners, i went in-depth with this last night, saying he would be decent, he’s played in a prostyle offense
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NONONONONO
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
/[Hitler movie joke]
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yep, great movie… but seriously, like howtheyscored said last night, if they do draft Clausen, he’ll sit backseat to Smith, and then after a year Clausen will start
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might start. It would be a good situation for him, either way.
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by howtheyscored on Apr 16, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
And what happens when smith is, you know, good?
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Then you trade Clausen for draft picks! It’s the perfect crime.
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by howtheyscored on Apr 16, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
FALSE
who the hell is going to take a rookie who hasn’t taken a snap in the NFL and who has a first round contract? And give up MORE than one pick? You might get like a 4th. That’s smart- spend a 1st rounder then give him up for a 4th.
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, fuck. The Broncos traded for Brady Quinn. What’s worse, a guy like that who you know is terrible because he’s proven it, or a guy who is still young and might still be good?
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by howtheyscored on Apr 16, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, but what did they give up?
Quinn cost the Browns basically 2 first rounders, since they had to trade up to get him. And they got NOWHERE NEAR that kind of value in return. That’s my point- someone would take him, but you’ve already spent a 1st rounder on him. Makes no sense to me.
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m not saying that you get exact change on the investment. Obviously, when you draft a guy in the first round, you lose rounds later when you trade him for picks. But that’s like the worst case scenario with the pick (needing to dump him), and it’s not a particularly bad scenario.
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by howtheyscored on Apr 16, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
I just think there are guys at positions that they need WAY more than QB
and also, I don’t think Clausen is worth a top 20 pick
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
In this draft though, aside from the OT, they’re going for BPA
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EXACTLY
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, he actually could be. Especially at 17. He won’t fall that far though.
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by howtheyscored on Apr 16, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
i really really do not like clausen as a 1st round pick.
of course, he’ll probably be gone in the first 10 anyways
I’m sure he will be. If Mark Fucking Sanchez is good enough to be drafted in the top 5, I really don’t understand how Clausen could escape the top ten. So many teams are fucked at QB right now, I just don’t see how one of them can’t take him.
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by howtheyscored on Apr 16, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m not arguing with that. The 49ers COULD make better picks than Clausen. I just really don’t think it would be a bad pick. The best pick? Maybe not. A good pick? Yeah.
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by howtheyscored on Apr 16, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Meh
I disagree. I DO think it would be a bad pick. But whatev, we’ll just have to see I guess.
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
No Clausen!
But I would live with it.
Tebow on the other hand? I’d boycott.
Jeaaaggaahh
by Soulbrother16 on Apr 16, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
And as I’ve said repeatedly at NinersNation, I’m not saying that I WANT the 49ers to draft Clausen at all costs. I would be more than happy with a lot of scenarios that have them passing him up. I just think that there’s plenty of value to be had with the pick.
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by howtheyscored on Apr 16, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't see it
how could they possibly flip the guy for more picks? That makes no sense.
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
possibly later round picks… but you know the niners might do? trade the 13th pick and a 3rd rounder for a top 10, to pick Okung or one of those top 5 OTs
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This I would be OK with
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Same
Either way, they can’t fuck up the picks, they’re in PERFECT position… i would like Best, SPiller or Matthews with an OT though
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uhhh
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
But seriously, look at it, they really need a OT, but aside from that, they have options, i like the scenario
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Me too
and they certainly seem competent, but I’m keeping my guard up.
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
and keep it going until the draft, it’ll be exciting, possible trade scenario’s and some interesting picks, last year? was a dream scenario with Crabtree
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There is literally no way that happens
but it would be awesome.
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
NO WAY IN HELL THAT HAPPENS
but it would be sweet
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I was so effing pumped when we got him
when I saw the Raiders had taken Bey and the Chiefs took Jackson I was all LOLOLOL
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
were you? i couldn’t tell… explain again to me what was going through your head
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I'd been wanting Crabtree since the TT/UT game
seriously. I love the guy. I bought his fucking jersey on draft day. He’s my avatar.
I know you’re kidding, but my crabtree love cannot be understated.
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
lol, i know, but yea, the dude was UNREAL in college, and i was praying the Niners would be able to draft him, and then all the sudden he basically fell into their laps
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LOL Chiefs LOL raiders
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
dude, i’m gonna throw this in there and remind you… if the niners draft Spiller this Offense will be UNBELIEVABLE, look the fuck out
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It would be pretty fun
they could put spiller and Ginn back on punts at the same time muahahah.
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
OH MY GOD, plus use both spiller and Gore, Spiller or someone like Best would be crazy good for a speedy RB
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Everyone out there would love Best I'm guessing
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
I could never call an offense UNBELIEVABLE with the QB being a big question mark, as well as having a shitty line. As far as position players go though, they would be top notch.
Jeaaaggaahh
by Soulbrother16 on Apr 16, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
(the line isn't that shitty)
if they find a good RT in the draft, then it’s actually pretty good. LG would be a bit of a question still, but Baas was improving last year.
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
See I disagree
I think Baas and his undersized helmet are bad, horribly bad.
Chilo I have hopes for, but if they drafted a good RT it would definitely work wonders on the line.
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by Soulbrother16 on Apr 16, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
lol, that’s what they’re going to do, draft a good OT, so all they need is cohesiveness and to work together, so they’ll be straight
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For the most part lineman come in and play well. But, a draft pick is never a given until I see him play.
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by Soulbrother16 on Apr 16, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Spiller
O VER RA TED
God I hate how EVERY offseason there’s some player that was a late 1st early 2nd round talent during the season who gets hyped up like a top talent.
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Really?
I think if he’s used properly he can completely transform an offense… what don’t you like about him?
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Nothing in particular
I just don’t think he’s as good as he’s been hyped up to be in the last few months. I wouldn’t throw myself off a bridge if we drafted him, and I think he’s got potential, I just don’t think he’s guaranteed to be BPA at 13, or 17, for that matter.
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Maybe not
we’ll have to see what happens 1-12, but I do think there’s a chance he’s the best guy there.
But now that they have Ginn, it would be a stretch for them to take a very similar player in the first round. It would be kinda frustrating.
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Spiller would be a great change of pace back, and a pretty good return option. I also think you can usually get those guys in the 2nd-3rd round, so I’d be a little disappointed if they spent a mid 1st on him.
I just don’t see the game changer that everyone else seems to. I dunno, maybe I’m just spoiled from watching Gore, Ingram and Richardson all season.
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I'll ask the same question I ask everyone
have you seen spiller play?
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only highlights
which i guess explains it, but there’s really nothing that special about his stats, or even the highlights that jump out to me and say “oh wow this guy is a must get”
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Meh
compare him to percy harvin, they’re pretty similar. And harvin played on a MUCH better team. The only reason Harvin fell is because of character issues, otherwise he would have gone in the same spot Spiller is projected to go.
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Harvin was on a better team
but also went against better competition. I’d probably be a lot more stoked about Spiller if we didn’t have Gore. I just don’t think that he’ll provide good value for the niners at 13.
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The FO probably agrees
hence the Ginn trade.
If not for the trade I’d still want Spiller, but reasonable minds can disagree on that one
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I think you’re seriously underestimating the market for quarterbacks. The Seahawks upgraded a second round pick for Charlie Whitehurst. You can get draft picks for these guys. Easily.
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by howtheyscored on Apr 16, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Ok, say they get a 2nd rounder for him
they still spent either the 13th or 17th pick to get him. So how is that in any way worth it? You’re losing a round on a guy who didn’t help you, and you’re costing yourself help at positions where you need it.
I guess where we disagree is that if Clausen is there at 13, you’d have no problem with them taking him, and I’d MUCH rather they trade back with a team that wants him.
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, losing the round by flipping him for picks is the investment risk you’re taking there. Yeah, it sucks a little, but I’ll take that risk for some legitimate insurance on Alex Smith.
I think where we actually differ is that you don’t see Clausen as legitimate insurance. You seem to see him as a ready-bust product.
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by howtheyscored on Apr 16, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Exactly
and there’s no way to be “right” about that at this point. IF he were indeed legit insurance, you’re right that it would be a good move. I don’t mean that I hate the idea of taking a QB, but if Clausen is “the best” QB after bradford…no thanks.
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t like Clausen, but I still don’t think it’s a bad move.
My take is that with Alex as your starter, insurance is not a luxury.
His name is Ydwin, your argument is invalid.
by microwave donut on Apr 16, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
that take makes sense, but that’s not what I’m arguing. My point is that if one thinks Smith isn’t good enough, I’m not sure why one would think Clausen is the guy who would be better. I don’t see it from him.
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Same, i wouldn’t be pissed if they picked him…. I’d be content with a tackle and CB or a Safety, or a RB, has to be a tackle though involved… Also if they really wanted another QB, look to next year, Jake Locker, or in this draft, Pike, or LeFeaver
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Next year makes way more sense for a QB
then you’d know if Smith can do it or not. Also, Jake Locker is a fucking beast.
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I really don’t understand the Jake Locker hype.
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by howtheyscored on Apr 16, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
HE PLAYS ON A SHITTY TEAM! HE HAS GOOD SIZE! HE PLAYS IN A PRO SYSTEM! HIS LAST NAME IS LOCKER!
He really has to show something next year, in my mind. If he gives a similar product as last year, I’m just not going to buy into it.
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by howtheyscored on Apr 16, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Have you watched him play?
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Only seen a few games, and looks pretty damn decent
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More than decent
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t get to see any college quarterbacks play regularly outside of Kevin Riley. I get that Locker has great physical tools, and I get that he played great against USC or whatever, but he seems to be getting a shit ton of hype for a prospect who is still as unpolished as he is.
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by howtheyscored on Apr 16, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
He didn't seem *that* unpolished when I watched him play
admittedly I haven’t seen a TON of him, but I watched a few games, and he looked really good.
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, you’ve probably watched more of him than I have. I’m basing this mostly off of scouting I’ve read and game-logs I’ve checked out.
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by howtheyscored on Apr 16, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
His team IS pretty terrible too
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Absolutely.
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by howtheyscored on Apr 16, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
One guy I'm gonna keep an eye on
the guy who backed up Colt Mccoy this year, can’t think of his name, but when I saw what he did in the national championship game..that was pretty impressive. For a freshman to play in THAT big of a game and keep his team in it.
Should be interesting to see how good he really is.
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
yea… he’s like a Jake Plummer i’ve heard…
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by Scooter Ellis on Apr 16, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
he’s insanely talented. great arm, smart, extremely athletic.. from a raw potential standpoint, it doesn’t get much better than locker.
And he's a cool dude
normally I don’t buy into the crap people say about “intangibles”, but it certainly seems like the most effective QBs have a certain personality to go along with their insane talent.
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
(not really)
he’s kind of a dick
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
He threw his teammate under the bus on national TV
on a play that was his fault. That’s not something a cool dude does.
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
+1
I’ve thought he was a douche since high school. Sing can’t fix douches, only guys who are bad at self control.
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by Soulbrother16 on Apr 16, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
meh… Singletary will help him out
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nah
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Just when I think I'm at the end if the thread
you 49er subthreaders drag back to the middle!
>8P
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But do you really put “FIRST OVERALL” hype into a guy whose best assets have so little polish? His 2010 college season could change my mind very easily, but his college career to date screams long-term project to me.
I don’t deny his talent. I’m just questioning the hype machine.
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by howtheyscored on Apr 16, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Personally
not sure if I buy the “first overall” thing, that IS a little extreme. But I think he’s better than, say, Clausen.
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
But but but but, niners wont get him, it’s impossible, unless they really screw up
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True
or maybe they trade a 2nd this year for a 1st next year or something. And the team they trade with ends up sucking.
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL, that’d be amazing, but, seriously, if Smith doesnt pan out, we’re fucked
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I HOPE HOPE HOPE he gets a chance
MAC QB BABY!!!!
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LOL
His name is Ydwin, your argument is invalid.
by microwave donut on Apr 16, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I hate you
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
:D
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by howtheyscored on Apr 16, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah
I was a huge fan of his, but that’s a lot to spend on a guy who won’t be on the field 70% of the time.
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Regardless dude, they need another RB, whether it be Spiller, Best, or Matthews
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It would be fucking awesome if they took spiller too
that would instantly make defenses like “WTF?!?”
That’s a lot of speed.
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Don’t care. And I"m a Niners fan. The only thing I can guess is that the Niners won’t be drafting Spiller.
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WELL I CARE SO THERE
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
AND UHH . . . ?
I mean, I care, but I can’t get excited either way about a 5th-round pick or a Ted Ginn.
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I'm actually pretty excited
it was a 5th round pick! What guy could they have gotten in the 5th who’s as talented as Ginn? And he’s young! It’s a really good move.
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
see, like i said, i’m content with Ginn, i just would’ve liked Gilyard… but hey, whatever, they now need, OT/QB/RB/DT/CB in no particular order
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Yeah
but I think Ginn is a very similar player to gilyard, and for a pick 3 rounds later
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
what does Mardy project as? a 3rd round pick?
Ginn was a top 10 pick (granted, a reach) and has had some success in the NFL as a return man. Gilyard has a way to go before he is a similar player to Ginn.
Ginn was a very similar player to Gilyard
he wasn’t supposed to go anywhere near the top of the 1st round. Just because the dolphins were morons doesn’t mean that’s what his value was.
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Plus, he’s not a good all-around player. He’s a good return man. He doesn’t bring much in any other phase of the game.
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Jeez, the way you describe him it seems he’s not worth much more than a 5th round pick. That’s not very… Oh, wait.
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by Josh from Hollywood on Apr 16, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Not sure I agree with that
he’s definitely not a good number 1 or even number 2 guy, but someone with that much speed is very valuable in an offense like the niners’. Teams have to at least pay attention to him, they can’t just let him run free or he’ll be 60 yards behind them in no time
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
A WR who’s not a number 1 or number 2 guy is not a good WR. There are exceptions, sure. Brandon Stokely was exceptional in the slot for the Colts a few years ago. Same with Welker during the Pats’ perfect season (he wasn’t used as a 1 or 2). But for most teams, the number 3-n guys aren’t very good. The Niners are one of those teams. So were the Dolphins last year. Ted Ginn is one of the guys. That doesn’t mean he’s not useful. Of course he is. He’s a fantastic returner and a guy that has to be covered. But he’s not going to change how teams defend the Niners and I don’t expect him to be a big contributor in this offense.
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you said "he doesn't bring much in any other phase of the game"
I don’t think that’s true at all. If you put him on the same field as Davis, Gore, Morgan, and Crabtree, you better believe defenses are going to have to change the way they play.
There are plenty of WRs who can be very very good as number 3s- the guys you just mentioned are proof of that, and what they all had in common is that the 1st and 2nd options in their offenses were really really good, just like in SF. My point isn’t that Ginn is Jerry Rice, but if you put him in an offense where he doesn’t have to be “the guy”, then his ability makes him a serious headache.
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The Niners had problems returning kicks last year, and now they have someone who can do that for a fifth round pick – great move!
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by crazedcrustacean on Apr 16, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
i’m fine with this, Ginn is fine, woulda liked Gilyard
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Wow, Lewis is forgotten already.
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Ginn for Lewis?
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If Bondslegend ever creates a fanpost
Grant is going to start a huge OT discussion about curling.
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Man those innings in curling are intense.
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they're called ends.
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by howtheyscored on Apr 16, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
OT: NINERS DRAFT 2010!!!! i'll start it
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I wouldn't care
and notice my subject was OT, but the rest was on topic. SO THERE, hater.
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by bondslegend on Apr 16, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Nicely done!
Maybe I’m just more in touch with the FANS, unlike mister fat cat grant who writes these missives from his ivory tower.
This made me lol.
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Random Point about Ginn
Wait, we got a WR from the Dolphins and it wasn’t Greg Camarillo?
He catches footballs with his butt!
Also, dude’s father rocks the Stanford History Department (and is my GF’s advisor).
Also, I don’t follow football…
Flew the coop
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I’m sure the cash considerations for Kevin Frandsen and Lewis will subsidize that extra tier of movie channels for the clubhouse cable box. That’s just a boffo allocation of resources, there.
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i was as well
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WHAT ARE WE GOING TO TALK ABOUT NOW!!!
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Apr 16, 2010 10:30 AM PDT reply actions
My teeth hurt!!
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by satyricrash on Apr 16, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Ted Ginn
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by stealth snail on Apr 16, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't worry...
Sabean and Bork will doing something massively stupid again shortly, until then just bide your time finding new ways to make fun of Russell Martin.
Suck it all, Russell Martin
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by The Neuschler on Apr 16, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Well...
But if anyone has a legitimate reason why they would keep Velez over Lewis, I’d love to read it.
VROOOOOOOOOOOOM?
Because Velez has shown considerable improvement in his defense the last few years.
Lewis hadn’t.
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by BruteSentiment on Apr 16, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
One could counter that even with Velez’s defensive improvement he still isn’t at Fred’s level.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Apr 16, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Even though its at three positions instead of one? Giants like guys that can play as many as possible!
I don't know
I guess being able to butcher plays at 3 different positions has some value.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Apr 16, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
so you're just sayin'
One could counter
I wish Fred would have stolen Posey’s infield glove and showed Velez’ versatility.
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by natteringnabob on Apr 16, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
VERSATILITY!!
Zorak sucks at more things than Fred does! I have seen the light.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Apr 16, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Extremely SSS last year, I know, but Velez’s overall UZR for left field was much better than Lewis’ last seaon. Overall for the outfield, they projected as about equal.
Everyone will say the big difference between the two is OBP, though. Nobody is really lamenting the loss of Freddy’s glove, but rather his bat… seated firmly on his shoulder, for better or for worse.
Aubrey Huff: guilty until proven productive.
Andres Torres: perfectly cromulent.
Who cares about improvement? Is Velez better than Lewis or not?
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Today or tomorrow?
He is younger and cheaper
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I don't think the difference in salary is all that significant
WHY IS BENGIE?!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Apr 16, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
According to Cot’s:
Lewis in 2010: $455,000
Velez in 2010: $416, 000
I guess Lewis is slated to hit Arb a year earlier than Velez, but big whoop.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
PS
We couldn’t even afford a Rule 5 selection for that money.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
PPS
the net is probably about what Toronto will be sending to Brain, probably in Molson’s.
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"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
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by natteringnabob on Apr 16, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
They’re both making the minimum this year. Also, I am younger and cheaper than Fred Lewis.
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I don’t know that he’s shown improvement so much as every now and then he dives to make a pretty catch.
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by howtheyscored on Apr 16, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Of course, the stats can prove me wrong here. I’m fine with that.
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by howtheyscored on Apr 16, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Improvement is relative — a guy who sucks turning into a guy who sucks who occasionally makes a diving catch is improvement. That being said, I don’t really see why that’s significant.
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by Josh from Hollywood on Apr 16, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
better attitude?
team player?
not a whiny beeotch?
grant you conveniently left out the part of lewis biography when he goes to the press to air grievances
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by The Gene Hackman on Apr 16, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
The use of the term beeotch reiforces your authority
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Apr 16, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes
because your “attitude” affects the way you play baseball. That is a weaksauce argument. If that’s the way the FO is making decisions, then they’re fucking morons.
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that seemed to be the reason the FO got rid of AJ, and nobody complained then…
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by The Gene Hackman on Apr 16, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Ehhhh
AJ posted a .272/.319/.410 line, which isn’t bad at all for a catcher. He was good for 1.9 WAR. Especially considering he had a really low BABIP that year too.
If it weren’t for the attitude problems, he probably wouldn’t have been gone.
My Son was the third most valuable Giant position player by WAR in 2009. A little sad, a little happy.
I predict that history will look kindly on the 09 offseason, even if we were pissed at the time.
his attitude wasn't the only factor
he dramatically underperformed based on what the Giants gave up for him (not saying that’s his fault, it’s just part of the FO perception), especially given the arb situation.
also he was a douchebag who none of the pitchers liked.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
wtf
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Please make sense if you're going to argue, kthnx
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why do you conduct yourself like this? you come across like such a dick.
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by The Gene Hackman on Apr 16, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Because what you said was kind of ridiculous
both times. If you don’t want people calling you out on your arguments, then research them before you make them. If AJDP was any good, you better believe they would have kept him around even though he was a dick. He sucked at playing baseball AND he was a dick, the decision wasn’t that hard. There are plenty of dicks who stay on teams because they’re really good at baseball.
There’s no comparison with Lewis, who was treated totally unfairly by the team and didn’t like it. What a shock. How do YOU know he didn’t air his complaints with the team before going public?
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ridiculous? not really. AJ performance alone isn’t a good enough reason not to resign him. the FO/pitching staff didn’t like his attitude. Fred, apparently wasn’t resigned because of his attitude, as well.
apparently, attitude matters to the FO.
now, note this, mr riduculous, i am not defending the FO, just arguing what their rationale was. and, evidently, it was attitude.
now go take some courses on how to be nice.
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by The Gene Hackman on Apr 16, 2010 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
grant you conveniently left out the part of lewis biography when he goes to the press to air grievances
Oh really? All you were doing is “arguing what their rationale was”? Sounds like you were supporting it to me. And it’s a flawed rationale. AJDP was bad AND a dick- that’s exactly what I said. He wasn’t very good, and his attitude pushed it over the top.
Comparing him to Lewis is both ridiculous AND ignorant. For one thing, Lewis is more valuable as a player (or at least comparable), and for another his attitude “problem” was nowhere near what AJDP’s was. Lewis was upset because the FO was stupid in the way they handled him- he had every right to get upset about that because he was handled unfairly. AJDP was a dick because…? Because he’s a dick. There’s a difference.
I have nothing against you, but your argument was stupid, and was worded in an annoying way. And I’m not just gonna say “gee, I disagree” when someone’s wrong and being sarcastic about it. Sorry if it got your panties in a twist.
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MOLINA
gahhhh double standards
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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As I stated in the other Lewis thread
Bowker is going to be the new recipient of irrational Giants fan hate. It is only a matter of time.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Apr 16, 2010 10:31 AM PDT reply actions
HUW KAN HE THROUGH? HIZ ARMES R LICKE T-REX ARMES!!!
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