F-Lew is now Jay-Blue
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Ao35anwKTs74jNo8ytKKzksRvLYF?slug=ap-giants-bluejaystrade
For PTBNL and cash.
I has a sad.
As many have suggested, I would have loved to have seen the guy have more of a chance, but I guess it just wasn't meant to be.
Any takers on whom we would hope to get in the transaction? Or is it better to just hold out for cash and use wishful thinking toward driving down the cost of an average dynamically priced ticket?
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Adam Lind plz
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Apr 15, 2010 10:09 PM PDT reply actions
Good move, Sabes
Removes a distraction.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below .500
We are at war with Los Angeles. We have always been at war with Los Angeles.
Lowering the Quality of Internet Discourse Since 1985™
Quois?
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Apr 16, 2010 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Another one?
What is it with the Blue Jays and ex-Giants?
"The questions are so stupid. I don't believe in rivalries. I don't believe in curses. Wake up the damn Bambino, maybe I'll drill him in the ass."
- Pedro Martinez, asked about the Curse of the Bambino
Never understood this particular strain of group think. My vote would have been: “There are zero fucks I give about this move.”
below average instincts
Chris Gloor: my lefty is bigger than your lefty
by crazedcrustacean on Apr 15, 2010 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions
And yet he still manages to be a decent hitter, defender, and baserunner, unlike some other players on the roster.
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa
by raisingcain on Apr 16, 2010 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I’ll take an above average player with the “instincts” of a dying moth in a heartbeat. “Below average instincts” means nothing more than “his play isn’t aesthetically pleasing and I don’t like it, but I can’t argue that he’s actually productive so I’ll make something up instead.”
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Apr 16, 2010 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Anyways how can you average instincts? can you really quantify that?
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by say hey nation on Apr 16, 2010 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions
My instincts are so far above average that they’ve actually changed the average so that what you used to qualify as awesome now qualifies as average.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Apr 16, 2010 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions
i wonder if that means travis snider’s time as a starter is almost at a close. As far as a player maybe the Giants could get fallen 3B prospect Kevin Ahrens.
by Nnamdi Asomugha on Apr 15, 2010 11:38 PM PDT reply actions
Queasier sadness
Am I, as an old coot, missing some darkly satiric allusion in “I has a sad,” or should I continue to be reminded, as I am when presumed adults slump into baby talk, of Dorothy Parker’s New Yorker review (as “Constant Reader”) of an A. A. Milne book: “Tonstant weader fwowed up”?
As to FLew’s above averageness, I imagine that MLB must be like Lake Wobegon in having all its players above average, since no one save the Jays apparently wanted Lewis at all. The Toronto GM radiated pretty dim enthusiasm, explaining that he wanted Lewis because of L’s being an experienced bench player, whom “we felt … was an upgrade maybe over what we have currently.” I particularly like the “maybe” here.
Hey, there are waves of groupthink. Some favor players, some don’t.
No need to chide the sentimental amongst them…just watch them swirl around the base of your stool at the Sidetrack Tap.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Apr 16, 2010 4:42 AM PDT up reply actions
re: I has a sad...
It’s pulled from the lexicon of icanhascheezburger.com and its many spinoffs. Essentially the sites take ordinary pictures of animals and provides captions based as if the creatures themselves had written them, therefore abusing spelling and grammar accordingly.

see more Lolcats and funny pictures
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
Thanks
Thanks for filling me in on the allusion. Being an ungrammatical, therefore cutesy-wootsy animal in a cheeseburger commercial is, I guess, the 2010 equivalent of being a talking, literate stuffed toy in A. A. Milne eighty years or so ago. Puke of the same color.
There are a few that are clever,
but yes, generally I’ve moved on.
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
One’s assessment of Lewis aside, I think the Jays played Sabean, who pretty clearly wanted to get rid of Lewis. No need to give anything away if Sabean wasn’t demanding it. As for other teams, yeah, Lewis is not a great player, not a starter on some teams, but he’s pretty clearly a good player who could either start for many teams or should get a lot of playing time in a platoon/back-up role. On the Giants, well, he should have been our leadoff hitter.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Apr 16, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions

doan worry, poplo loe he team, he wan get berry good for body to play the beisbol
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by Tim LinCyYoung on Apr 16, 2010 5:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Would you like the boat or the mystery box?
Bowker, Denker, and Holmker.
by DubsFanByTheZoo on Apr 16, 2010 2:42 AM PDT reply actions
Freddie Lewis was the ultimate love him or hate him guy. Some fans loved him for his ability to draw walks, while his detractors pointed out that he was among the league leaders in taking called strike threes. Was he a patient hitter or was he just not aggressive? Some fans loved him for his defensive range, while others said the range meant nothing because he dropped the ball once he got there. He was great for me though. Whenever I made a fan post or fan shot and got little reaction, I always made a mental note to make the next one about Freddie Lewis, and sure enough, you would see 500 comments, with nobody even changing the subject to pies or Pokemons or what they had for dinner.
I usually root for players to do badly when the Giants trade them away, because I don’t want my favorite team to look stupid, but players like Frandsen or Lewis, who came up through the system and never really had a fair shot here, deserve long successful major league careers. I don’t see it happening for either, but I will be happy if it does.
Dumped Edgar Renteria and adopted Buster Posey. Biggest upgrade since George Jefferson moved up to a deluxe apartment on the east side!
by rxmeister on Apr 16, 2010 7:04 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Pretty much this.
I think you summed it up rather nicely.
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
Classy, Fan-dsen, and K-Fred now bungling for AL East
QUOTA!
The money lies in the RBIs
-- Jeff Kent
Burn FAIL
Klassy, Fan-dsen, and K-Fred now bungling for AL East QUOTA!Classy,
The money lies in the RBIs
-- Jeff Kent
I have acquired a new sad
"I never watched baseball on TV. It's slow and boring. I'm not a fan. Never was." - Jeff Kent
I think Brian Sabean hated the nickname F-Lew so much, that he traded Lewis just to get rid of it. In reality, he likes the guy and admires him as a player. He just really hates that fucking nickname.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
Bet he loved F DOT TEH LEWIS
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by say hey nation on Apr 16, 2010 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Ironic nickname, or prophetic?
Fred Lewis FLEW to the Blue Jays?
:D
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
F-Lew = flew
That’s what blue jays and other birds do.
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
Stop speaking in riddles and rhymes!
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Apr 16, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
\Looks for blunt object while keeping an eye on delorean
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
So apparently...
…when you demand a trade, you don’t get more playing time but rather get traded. Who’da thunk? I wish I’d thought of this before I demanded to be either promoted or else transferred to the Boise office. Potato-y.
My son is Madison Bumgarner, the Spacebat of pitching prospects. My other son is a Porsche.
You raise a possibility that Lewis had a negative attitude. I do not discount this possibility. Lewis may have done nothing but bitch about his lack of playing time, and as a front office person I might want to trade that kind of person. However, I think the organization treated him poorly by anointing him (for no reason considerin he’s never been a power hitter) the new #3 hitter and ignoring the assets Lewis already possessed (the ability to draw walks and take pitches), then apparently deeming him unworthy when he (not so shockingly) failed to hit bombs. I’m fine with pointing out that Lewis could have handled the situation better, but I do not like pretending it’s all his fault.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Apr 16, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
I just don't get why
When he was obviously discontent last year, we didn’t try to aggressively shop him. I mean, of course people are going to give us crap (PTBAL) when the front office has spent a year sniping at him.
I shudder when thinking about what’s going to happen at this year’s trade deadline.
Definitely. If the Giants decide to deal him, they should at least get more for him. This seemed like a dump a player move, and that seems unnecessary.
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Apr 16, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
It's just frustrating.
I actually fear the trade deadline more than the offseason. Namely that Sabes will follow the advice given in this sterling piece of journalism.
If a casual fan can see Sabean’s incompetence in this regard, you just know other GMs, who have a direct financial interest in this issue, are smart to it as well.
I almost thought that article was tongue-in-cheek and amazing, but then I realized it was stupid. I hope Sabean never reads it.
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Apr 16, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow
Fully half of the proposed moves involve the Giants, including reacquiring Rajai Davis and trading for Scott Podsednik who they apparently didn’t want when he was an FA just a few months ago.
Adoptive parent of Kevin Frandsen, now stopping gaps in Boston...I mean Pawtucket.
by EliminateMe on Apr 16, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
In fairness
He was an 108 OPS+ hiiter in 2008 on a team that was desperate for offense. Expecting him to be a big part of the offense was reasonable. Instead, he lost 50 points of SLG and saw all his slash lines drop.
A certain amount of disappointment is understandable.
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
His obp fell all of 7 points though, to .348. A certain amount of time to see if he could regain his stroke is understandable. Immediately deciding he sucks is not.
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Apr 16, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
He was still an above-average hitter though
And one of the few ones of those on the team.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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Cash of course
how else can they afford the extension for Molina?
"I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."- Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
I was really bummed by this yesterday, and thinking about it, I realized a couple things.
First, I’m more bummed by it then I should be – Lewis is a good player, could have been really helpful to the Giants if used correctly, but he’s not so good that I should be this upset. I mean, .350-.360 obp with some doubles power is very nice, but he wasn’t going to hit many homeruns or anything. Good, but not great, defense.
However, this bummedness I think comes from the front office’s inability to understand talent. I get it that fans see Lewis drop a couple fly balls and decide his defense is terrible. Fine, fans are often that way. However, the front office seemed to think that too. The front office should (no offense) be much smarter than the typical fan. They should understand defensive metrics. Lewis struck out a lot. Fine, many fans hate that. The front office should understand that maybe that’s not that bad when he also takes pitches and gets on base better than everyone (but Pablo) on the team. But they don’t. I’m bummed because the front office apparently can’t understand talent. They’ll give Aubrey Huff $3 million because he hit 32 homeruns two years ago, but they won’t give Lewis playing time.
Anyway, overall, part of me is glad the uncertainty is over. I hope Lewis tears it up in the AL.
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Apr 16, 2010 9:45 AM PDT reply actions
Hmm…perhaps too long?
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Apr 16, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
No such thing.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Apr 16, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Must...not...post...
“TWSS”
Ah, self control fail.
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
Why would you resist? I opened that right up for you.
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Apr 16, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh, stop it.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Apr 16, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
You, sir, are a bad, bad man.
I think we’re going to get along just fine. :D
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
I was wondering how long we could keep that up.
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Apr 16, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Happy? No. Sad? No.
…but yet I’m not quite “meh”.
I think this is case of failed opportunity on both sides. Did the FO dick him? Perhaps, and that point has been argued a lot here.
That said, I also think Fred could have made more of his opportunity:
- Saying he didn’t want to lead off probably didn’t endear him to management when most ballplayers are hungry to be in the lineup, wherever that may be.
- Saying things like “I didn’t” drop it and refusing to achknowlede that he dropped that one ball last year
- I wish he could/would have improved his defense. Yeah, I know his UZR is great for a LFer, but he would have been oodles more valuable to the team if he could have played all three OF spots well.
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I knew I should have nicknamed Lewis before
He could have been the F bomb
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It's not what they did, it's how they did it.
First point: current defensive metrics are mostly bosh. It is now over 30 years since I first wrote that defense is wildly over-rated and that offense should control player selection—but there are limits and Lewis exceeded them. He was a decent to good offensive player, nothing really remarkable, but as good as or better than what the Giants had. But he was a virtual lock to muff at least a play a game.
But the issue here is not whether the Giants should have moved him, as I think they should and as they, in any event, had decided they would: it’s the way they went about it. In essence, they did everything they could to run his trade value down to zero. And lo! they got about zero back for him. That is the crime here. Had they cut a deal mid-season last year, they might well have gotten something of at least some use in return, but that’s not The Giants’ Way.
Meanwhile, off on a tangent, can someone remind me what Aubrey Huff brings to the table that Ryan Garko didn’t? Oh, wait, I just remembered: five years more of age.
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I honestly disagree with the first paragraph. And not based on modern defensive metrics. I’m still somewhat squiffy about them. And not because I disagree necessarily that defense is overrated… I’m not really sure about that. I just didn’t see anything wrong with his defense. He dropped three balls… and that was all! I haven’t seen anything wrong with his routes. I haven’t seen him throw to the wrong person or make bad throws. Hell, I’ve seen him make a few absolutely fantastic throws. The drops look bad, but they’re really no different from Renteria fucking up the double play the other night (led to 100 runs, if I’m not mistaken), or Renteria failing to actually field a ground ball earlier in the season, or Sandoval throwing the ball to Aubrey Huff’s chakra, which appears to be nowhere near Aubrey Huff.
They’re JUST errors. And not even very many of them. His defense aside from those has been remarkably adequate to above adequate. And even occasionally very good.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Apr 17, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
“But he was a virtual lock to muff at least a play a game.”
Your first couple of sentences pulled me in. Then you veered off into Hyperboleville and lost me.
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by Josh from Hollywood on Apr 17, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Fixed
But the issue here is not whetherthe Giants should have moved himwe broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with our female party guests – we did.
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/winks at Mrs. Wormer knowingly
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by Josh from Hollywood on Apr 18, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
About metrics . . . .
It is now well accepted that BABIP for pitchers tends to normalize at something like .302, and any material deviations from that (or whatever exactly it is) are regarded as transient flukes. I agree thoroughly: Some 30 years ago I published a defensive metric very similar to what James later popularized as the Defensive Efficiency Rating (DER), and it showed clearly that the variation in balls in play converted to outs was almost trivial from team to team; the constancy of BABIP is just that sort of metric looked at from the other side of the plate.
If one plugs through the consequent numbers, it turns out—depending in only a small way on what assumptions one makes about the distribution of hits above or below average as to singles, doubles, and triples—that the spread between best-fielding team in the game and worst-fielding team in the game from fielding alone is maybe three games, maybe even less.
It should be painfully obvious that there is a radical disconnect between those relatively uncontroversial numbers and the claims that some one fielder’s abilities can swing the outcome of several games for his team, yet we see claims that so-and-so’s fielding saves his team 5.3 games a year, or costs 6.2 games, and suchlike. While one could, as a last fallback, argue that there is necessarily an averaging of better and poorer fielders, so that the net is close to zero, it seriously—very, very seriously—strains credulity that not one team in all of baseball in any season can assemble a team that is as much better (or worse) than average as, again supposedly, some one player’s skills can manage. For pity’s sake, an average team would only need to add one good fielder (according to the modern-metrics movement) to win several more games than by average fielding. Bujt we never, ever see such swings from any one team.
Even the most ardent advocates of “the new OBP” have to admit that there is something a bit, um, rough about ratings for particular men swinging from terrffic one year to awful the next, as is fairly common with these metrics. But despite all this common sense, we keep hearing these definitive claims about how fielding was long under-rated, but now we have so much better a handle on it. Bosh, say I.
(And whether Lewis factually muffed an average of a play a game is hard to say, but we watch pretty much every Giants game and I don’t think I can recall one in which Lewis started and didn’t blow one; that may be selective memory, but you see now what I think these UZRs and suchlike are worth, and why.)
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by owlcroft on Apr 17, 2010 12:34 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I don’t know if I completely agree with all this yet it is pithy so I feel I should recommend it.
I think part of discussion on if defense is under viewed really as to do with the context. If we are talking about front office evaluating in house talent I think you are dead on.
If we are talking about what the free agent market pays for what kind of production a veteran player provides I think there is some merit to idea glove work is "undervalued" when compared strictly to inside the free agent sub class of players.
I think, as a board, we need to some kind of consensus to which context we want to use if we want to farther this discussion.
Threat level that the 2010 Pads finish with more wins than the 2010 Giants is currently at - 25%
A few problems here. First, the fielding-related variation from one team to another is a lot more than three games. The difference between the best team DER in the NL last year (LA, .714) and the worst (Houston, .676) was around 150 base hits. That’s worth about 120 runs, or 12 games.
Second, as far as I know, no one claims that any player saves his team 5.3 games. The truly elite defenders tend to average around 15 runs saved a year.
Third, the “averaging of better and poorer fielders” is obviously a huge factor. Assembling a team without weak spots (or strong ones) simply doesn’t happen, and this modulates defensive differences tremendously. Consider the two teams mentioned above: the bad one had one of the best outfielders in the game, Michael Bourn, while the good one had one of the worst, Manny Ramirez. Swap those two and the difference between the two teams goes up by 25-30%.
In answer to your claim that we never, ever see a team improve itself by several games just through fielding, I refer you to the 2009 Seattle Mariners. Largely through the addition of one player, they shot from being next to last in DER to being first. Though their pitching staff was largely the same, and they actually gave up more home runs than the year before, they went from allowing 811 runs to 692.
Finally, the swings in a player’s defensive stats aren’t really any greater than the swings in a player’s offensive stats when you adjust for the number of opportunities.
Say what?
I don’t use DER, I use my own metric, but 150 base hits equals 120 runs??!?!!? Say what?
Typically about 15% to 20% of runners allowed on by the defense end up scoring1. Using the upper-end 20% approximation, that’s about 30 runs, and it’s about 10 runs for a win. So even using plain DER seems to give the same results I get.
And the first article I randomly Googled up says “Boston opted to save 87 runs on defense. At least that’s what Baseball Info Solutions projects.” The spread from the very best-fielding to very worst-fielding team in the majors is on the order of magnitide of 30 runs and some one team is going to save 87 runs? FanGraphs is showing players with UZR “runs above/below average” ranging from below minus 20 to almost plus 30. According to that, add the best defensive player—one player—and you’ll save as many or more team runs than the difference between the best and worst teams in the game.
Perhaps 5.3 or 6.2 is an exaggeration, then, but it’s not much of one: John Dewan, the guru currently sitting on the highest Himalayan peak, says that last season Chone Figgins saved 31 runs, Franklin Gutierrez saved 32, and Jack Wilson saved 27. That’s roughly 3 games’ worth of runs per man, so just those three players should win Seattle about 10 extra games (100 runs saved) this season with glove alone. Hello, hello, Earth to the Himalayas? It was all just a joke, yes?
……………….
1 Of the men reaching base by all means, including walks and home runs, a rule-of-thumb one-third score. Of those that got on by putting the ball in play inside the park, about 15% to 20% ultimately score.
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So we’re just disagreeing about how valuable a base hit is, then? I’m going by the standard linear weights run-value tables, as empirically recorded in game situations. They seem high to me too, but the stat community seems to have formed a consensus that these are the correct values.
At any rate, they’re not that high. You have to account not just for the runs scored by the player who gets the hit, but also for the potential runs driven in. And consider as well that when an fielder makes a great catch to turn what should have been a base hit into an out, he’s dramatically diminishing (or snuffing out altogether) the chance that the other team will rally and put 2 or 3 or 7 runs on the scoreboard in that inning. If Tim Lincecum’s pitching that doesn’t matter much, because Timmy’s just going to mow down the next three batters anyway; but if Todd Wellemeyer’s on the mound, that catch becomes a very big deal indeed.
Really; do tell.
In fact, I know about those things. You can either take my word for it or work it out yourself in detail, then post it here. I no longer have the patience to re-explain things I have written up in detail, and posted in public places, over decades. The numbers are as they are. I really am not trying to be rude, but I no longer have infinite patience.
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Sad.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga... CHONE WAR projection= 12.7
Current Team: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Molina, Renteria, Schierholtz... CHONE WAR projection= 12.6
























