Minor Lines, 4-14-10
by BruteSentiment on Apr 15, 2010 2:29 AM PDT
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And the pitching star of the day is…Christopher Heston? Let the rifle jokes begin. Heston pitched seven innings of a pitching duel win for the GreenJackets. Madison Bumgarner in Fresno? Not quite as good. Meanwhile, San Jose picks up a second win in their season opening homestead, and home runs by Brandon Crawford and Conor Gillaspie aren't enough for the Squirrels.
Fresno Grizzlies (AAA): Las Vegas 8, Fresno 7
DH Joe Borchard - 3-5, 1 R, 1 HR (1), 4 RBI, 1 SO, .333
C Buster Posey - 2-5, 3 R, 1 RBI, .367
2B Brock Bond - 2-5, 1 SO, .345
SP Madison Bumgarner - 4.0 IP, 10 H, 7 R, 7 ER, 0 BB, 4 SO, 2 HR, 14.14 L (0-1)
RP Henry Sosa - 2.0 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 2 SO, 1 HR, 3.60 ERA
Game Notes: A hot start turned into a rough start for Madison Bumgarner. The Grizzlies got off to a big start as Buster Posey and Brett Pill each got two-out singles to be followed by Joe Borchard's three-run home run. However, Bumgarner gave up a single and double to lead off the bottom of the first as Las Vegas closed the lead to 3-2. The score stayed that way until the fifth inning, when the Grizzlies scored two more runs after a Fred Lewis double led to RBI singles by Posey and Borchard. However, Las Vegas opened up the flood gates in the bottom of the inning. A single and a double to lead off the inning, followed by a home run tied the game at five. Bumgarner gave up a single and a home run and the game was 7-5, and Bumgarner was lifted. Both teams would add a run in the sixth on solo home runs, Matt Downs hitting the one for Fresno. In the ninth, an error helped load the bases with nobdy out for Fresno, but Ryan Rohlinger grounded into a double play to get one run in, and the Grizzlies rally would fall short.
Team Notes: Posey broke a two-game hitless streak with his two singles today...Borchard had 55 RBI in 96 games last season. He now has six in seven games after tonight...Bond has hit safely in his last five games and has reached base in all seven games he has played...Downs hit his first home run of the season. He has five walks against six strikeouts...Bumgarner has now given up 11 earned runs in seven innings, and has struck out six while walking two batters. In 2009, he gave up six home runs all season. He has given up three this year...Henry Sosa has given up earned runs in each of his last two outings.
Richmond Flying Squirrels (AA): Altoona 4, Richmond 2
SS Brandon Crawford - 2-4, 1 R, 1 2B, 1 HR, 1 RBI, 1 SO, .381
3B Conor Gillaspie - 1-5, 1 R, 1 HR, 1 RBI, 1 SO, .207
C Tyler LaTorre - 2-2, 2 BB, .800
SP Clayton Tanner - 5.0 IP, 5 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 1 BB, 5 SO, 1 HR, L (1-1)
Game Notes: Altoona opened the game's scoring with a home run to lead off the second inning, and the Curver were up 2-0 at the end of the inning. Conor Gillaspie hit a home run to lead off the fourth and cut the lead in half, but an RBI double in the bottom half took the score to 3-1. In the fifth inning, Brandon Crawford hit a home run to make it 3-2, but Richmond iced the game with an insurance run in the seventh.
Team Notes: Crawford got his first home run of the season. Crawford is slugging .619 after six games. In 2009, he slugged .365 in 108 games in Double-A...Gillaspie hit his second home run of the year. He had just four in all of 2009...Kieschnick had his first multiple hit game since opening day. He still has yet to walk in 29 at-bats, and has struck out 11 times...LaTorre made his second start, and is now 4-for-5 with two walks...Tanner gave up his first runs of the season after going unscored upon in his first start for 5 1/3 innings.
San Jose Giants (High-A): San Jose 6, Visalia 4
RF Francisco Peguero - 2-3, 2 R, 2 2B, 1 RBI, 1 BB, .348
1B Brandon Belt - 2-3, 1 BB, 1 CS, .353
CF Juan Perez - 1-1, 1 R, 1 3B, 2 RBI, 2 SF, .294
SP Eric Surkamp - 6.0 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 6 SO, 1.80 ERA, W (1-0)
RP Jason Stoffel - 1.1 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 2 SO, 0.00 ERA, S (2)
Game Notes: San Jose jumped out to the early lead with a Francisco Peguero RBI double and a Juan Perez sacrifice fly. In the bottom of the second, Juan Ciriaco homered to add a run, and a second sacrifice fly by Perez in the third made it 4-0. In the fourth inning, Culberson hit a home run, and San Jose had a 5-0 lead. Visalia scored three runs in the eighth to attempt a comeback, but a Perez triple led to a final insurance run the Giants wouldn't need.
Team Notes: Culberson hit his first home run of the season, and also picked up his first RBI of the season...Ciriaco hit his first home run since August of 2008...Peguero has five stolen bases on five attempts over six games...Belt was caught stealing for the first time in five attempts. He has three walks and three strikeouts...Eric Surkamp has eight strikeouts in ten innings with three walks...Stoffel has three strikeouts and one walk in 2 1/3 innings…Ehire Adrianza picked up two more errors, and has three on the season.
Augusta GreenJackets (Low-A): Augusta 1, Savannah 0
C Hector Sanchez - 1-3, 1 R, 1 2B, 1 SO, .273
LF Dan Cook - 1-3, 1 2B, .296
SP Christopher Heston - 7.0 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 4 SO, 0.00, W (1-0)
RP Jose Casilla - 1.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 SO, 0.00, H (2)
RP Jason Jarvis - 1.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 0 SO, 0.00
Game Notes: Augusta pulled out a real pitcher's duel. Savannah starter James Fuller struck out nine batters, and gave up just four hits, but it was also a wild pitch too many. Hector Sanchez led off the third inning with a double. On a wild pitch, Sanchez went to third and came home on the play thanks to an error by Savannah's catcher Kal Gronauer. That would be enough for Christopher Heston and the bullpen. Heston struck out just two, but also gave up only two hits en route to seven shutout innings.
Team Notes: Sanchez hit his third double in three games, and is 3-for-11 overall on the season...Dan Cook also picked up his third double, albeit in his seventh game...Heston has yet to allow a run in 11 innings of work. He's given up just three hits and no walks against eight strikeouts...Casilla picked up his second hold, and has struck out four in 3 1/3 innings...Jarvis picked up his second consecutive save, but had his first outing without getting a strikeout this season.
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Clearly Neal/Bumgarner are not asian
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by jctGamer on Apr 15, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Altoona SP, Jared Hughes
Dirtbag
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Apr 15, 2010 5:16 AM PDT reply actions
Man, Belt’s off to an awfully good start. And Peguero drawing a walk and getting an XBH – the hell!?
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I wouldn’t be surprised by anything Peguero does. I don’t know if he projects to “light tower power” or not, but he has the physical tools to do just about anything on the baseball field. His development into a major leaguer would really kick our turnaround into high gear.
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definitely not light tower power
kid is weirdly put together and wiry. I honestly don’t think he projects better than 4th/5th OF. I hope I’m wrong!
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I’m scared of Peguero. I can see him becoming our Corey Patterson, racking up a lot of playing time at the major-league level (because omg toolz) before they figure out he’s not actually any good.
I like Peguero. I think he’s going to develop into a nice little player for us.
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It is pretty clear that sometime toward the middle of last season, his velocity dropped. His K rate was low, but he managed to get hitters out at AAA and even in his brief ML stint late in the year probably because his location was ok. If I recall, his first ST outing this year was decent, but his velocity was still off. Everyone made a big deal about it and since then he has been god-awful. His first minor league ST start, there were reports that he had made some mechanical adjustment and was throwing in the low-90’s again, but it is clear that this “adjustment” has had the net result of leaving him unable to locate his fastball. Any thoughts?
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Is there evidence that he can’t locate? He’s not walking people — he’s just getting hit.
I think we’re seeing a combo of better hitters, something missing from the fastball, and the fact that he still doesn’t have much in the way of secondary pitches. The velocity is unlikely to come back imho, which means he’s going to have to develop his secondary pitches, which means we should just relax and let him work on stuff in AAA for a year or two.
With every start he is looking a lot like... the F word
F———-
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Klaw, 21 hits given up in 7ip for Bumgarner. How concerned should Giants people be?
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Very.
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wow
when you lay it out like that… 21 hits in 7 IP. damn.
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It’s all part of an elaborate hustle. He’ll start to dominate soon.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Apr 15, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Some good hitting prospects are off to good starts, but it doesn’t look like we have a ton of depth at pitching, especially with Bumgarner struggling. Do we really have anyone worth noting above San Jose, where we at least have King and Stoffel? The strength of this system has really seemed to do a 180
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by theghostofjasonellison on Apr 15, 2010 8:01 AM PDT reply actions
Above San Jose, aside from Bumgarner the best would probably be Clayton Tanner, Craig Clark, Henry Sosa, and Kevin Pucetas. You’re right, those ranks are awfully thin.
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And I would add Surkamp and maybe Quirarte to the San Jose list.
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Surkamp’s gotta be the #1 pitching prospect at SJ to me. His upside is probably lower than King’s but he’s far more advanced at this point.
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I like Surkamp, too. I think I could rank him behind Bumgarner for best SP prospect in the system right now.
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Well, I’d think we have to assume that the #2 guy is Wheeler, debut-hiccup aside. But I’d probably agree that Surkamp’s #3.
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I like Surkamp OK, but if he’s the 3rd best pitching prospect in the system, I reckon we’re in trouble.
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I think our perspective is warped a bit by the extraordinary amount of pitching we’ve produced the last 4 years. You could watch a team for decades and not see this much quality pitching graduate to the majors in this short a period. It’s an extreme aberration and not one that can reasonably be expected to continue for very long.
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excellent point
I am totally spoiled at this point!
That said, I don’t think we’ll ever see Surkamp as a starter in the bigs. Maybe LOOGY, maybe washout.
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I wouldn’t necessarily disagree with that. But I would like to offer up this counterpoint.
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I think we have some interesting SPs in the lower levels. The Augusta rotation looks promising with Wheeler, Salsbury, J. Bucardo, Heston and Vazquez.
I also think Craig Westcott is a guy to keep an eye on.
Our pitching depth in the upper minors is pretty weak though.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Apr 15, 2010 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Problem is, there’s always a lot of interesting guys in the lower levels, specifically because they’re in the lower levels and their flaws haven’t really been exposed. All we see of them is their strengths. Once you get those same guys up to AA and AAA, they’re no longer the interesting guys to keep an eye on they’re the weak guys that we’re rolling our eyes at. Or their the guys that got taken in the Rule 5 draft and we’re not feeling that terrible about their being gone.
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Westcott’s a bit different b/c he’s so new to pitching. He’s got a quality arm and the breaking stuff is swing and miss IMO. Now that they skipped him up to San Jose he’s a bit closer to being age appropriate. Clearly he still has to move fast to be considered a real prospect, but I really think he’s got major league stuff.
To be honest, I shouldn’t have really focused so closely on the Augusta rotation. I’ve never seen any of them pitch. I’ve just liked their numbers and that they all seem age appropriate. I’d be curious to find out what kind of fastball velocity Vazquez and Bucardo have. I’ve seen Jorge as both a mid 80s and a fringe 90 MPH type of guy. That’s a pretty big discrepancy. I can’t find anything on Kyle Vazquez’s fastball.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Apr 15, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I think of Tanner as a back of the rotation at best kind of guy, but the rest are probably bullpen arms (not sure about Clark, I guess we’ll see how he does against competition closer to his age). I’m a sucker for sinkerballers though, so I’m really hoping Tanner can make it. Quirarte’s another one that’s a bit old for the competition, and if I’m remembering right with Surkamp, I’d be a lot more excited about him if he threw just a touch harder, while as it stands, he throws high-80’s.
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by theghostofjasonellison on Apr 15, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions
yup
mid to high 80s, but with great control and good offspeed stuff.
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Well, hopefully he’s more Buerhle and less, uh, some flameout lefty
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by theghostofjasonellison on Apr 15, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Problem is, Tanner doesn’t really throw a sinkerball. He throws a lot of offspeed slurvy stuff low in the zone, but he doesn’t throw a sinker, and his fastball velocity mostly seems to sit in the mid-80s. I just think he’s going to get lit up at higher levels.
Surkamp might well have the same problem, but his K/9 numbers last year suggest that he might have a release point that makes him difficult to pick up at least, and so make his pitches play at a slightly higher velocity than they really are.
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Ah man, his whole career in the minors I thought he was throwing a sinker, that’s like 4 years of hope gone! I’m still looking forward to seeing him at some point in Richmond, hopefully I can catch him pitching on a weekend game. I’d love to see Neal play too, though no one on that team is exactly lighting up the box scores, outside of Crawford (and LaTorre, I guess)
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by theghostofjasonellison on Apr 15, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Realistically, I think Joey is the only SP option in the organization right now if Wellemeyer turns into his 09 version or somebody has to miss a start. Pucetas and/or the waiver wire is Option #2 and Horacio Ramirez or Matt Kinney (hold your nose) #3. Given the rarity of having only 5 or even only 6 guys start in the course of a season, that’s kind of horrifying.
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Matt Kinney=horror; can Buster be above him on the depth chart?
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I was just thinking this morning: how long before the Michael McBryde, P experiment begins. Now I’m thinking, how long before Michael McBryde becomes the #3 emergency starter on our org depth chart?
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The problem with McBryde
is we might need him to be our back up CF by the end of the year if Torres keeps playing for another MiWIST deal. But I’m fine with keeping McBryde in the OF. He should be a fine 4th OF.
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Is there any reason to believe he’d be a better hitter than Barry Zito at the major league level? Any at all? Because I sure haven’t seen it.
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His career minor league numbers
.287/.344/.394 aren’t bad, and with his speed and defense, he should be good enough to supplant Torres
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Really? they don't seem that bad...
I mean I assume his MLE would be pretty bad right now but if he develops a bit in Fresno I see no reason why he can’t displace Torres.
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I know I’m biased, but I really do think Joey could be an 4/5 starter. He didn’t do well last year, but he was also (in retrospect) rushed and had, like, half a year of development taken away by the line drive. I expect him to be the Giants 5th starter by the end of the year.
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Joey’s the man, I was really rooting for him this spring
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by theghostofjasonellison on Apr 15, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
I like him too. He seems like one of those polished guys without a huge amount of STUFF but could do well in the majors.
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Maybe Jeff Suppan is a decent comparison?
Career minor league numbers for Suppan:
3.32 ERA, 2.2 BB/9, 8.3 SO/9
Martinez:
3.48 ERA, 1.9 BB/9, 7.4 SO/9
/stop cringing at me using ERA
Of course, there are probably 1,000 guys of Jeff Suppan’s player-type that never got a chance in the majors, or flamed out, but Martinez seems competent enough. In particular, the movement on his 2-seam makes me hopeful that he can post 50%-ish GB rates.
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Plus he fields the position well, is an excellent hitter for a pitcher and outstanding base runner.
Ever since his velocity bumped up, I always considered Joey to have a chance to be a back of the rotation guy. I still think he’s missing a go to K pitch (split?,) but he doesn’t really need that to be a serviceable fifth starter.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Apr 15, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Joey and Pucetas have to be the first two options since they’re the only two on the 40-man. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them bring Sosa up to start if they need a short term stopgap.
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by EliminateMe on Apr 15, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
They couldn’t possibly bring Sosa up for a spot start if all his appearances are 1 inning stints (which has been the case in his first three games).
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Sure they could.
It’s the Jonathan Sanchez Plan!
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Just remember that last year at this time, Dan Runzler was pitching in Augusta
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because Surkamp could be above San Jose any time. They could get desperate / agressive and push Stoffel or Casilla too, in the Runzler style.
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I’ll say it again: I don’t understand the reason for giving up on Casilla as a starter, especially given the thin ranks of high upside starters in our system these days.
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It’s really starting to bother me that Casilla isn’t a starter. Even if they project him to be a reliever in the majors, stretching his innings out as a starter in the minors isn’t a bad idea so he can work on more pitches. Maybe he’s very injury-prone (though I don’t think I’ve ever heard about him being injured), but they even brought along Sosa as a starter, despite his lengthy DL career. Casilla would probably become one of the better starters in our system.
That being said, I did forget about the Bucardo brothers, your sig reminded me of them. At least we have a few starters to look forward to.
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by theghostofjasonellison on Apr 15, 2010 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t believe there is any correlation between starting (as opposed to relieving) and injury.
Can anyone link to a study verifying or refuting?
Please tell me we have moved past the dark ages of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
by Yeti Monster on Apr 15, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
But I do share your frustration about Castilla not starting (same with Sosa). Glad to see the FO destroying a good piece of their potential value in advance.
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by Yeti Monster on Apr 15, 2010 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Reports sound like sitting mostly high-80s, but touching 93 once or twice.
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If he can get back up to that low-90’s average he had coming in, I’d be a lot less worried about him then I am. I really hope he’s working on some sort of breaking pitch though; I haven’t heard any reports on that in a little while now.
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by theghostofjasonellison on Apr 15, 2010 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m hoping that the fact that he’s struggling right now, rather than breezing along despite lowered velocity and no breaking pitch, will force him to actually develop his offspeed stuff.
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That’s a good point. In the meantime, though, it looks like he’s going to start disappearing from prospect lists (oh no!)
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by theghostofjasonellison on Apr 15, 2010 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I’ve heard he’s working on a curveball. I just don’t want to give up on him yet, he’s only 20 and though the drop in velocity does make me nervous about him, I still think he could be effective with, like you all said, really good secondary pitches.
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r.i.p. buster posey
We should work out a deal with Lowry. Lowry teaches him that changeup, and we find a new rib for him
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by theghostofjasonellison on Apr 15, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL speaking of which, what happened to Noah Lowry? Is he sitting out this season I guess?
01.19.2010
r.i.p. buster posey
Last I heard, he was looking at teams as a FA, and he was weighing some options. I guess he’s still weighing
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by theghostofjasonellison on Apr 15, 2010 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
“Let’s see, on this side I have …no offers. So let’s weigh that against this other side, where I have… no other offers. Hmm…. tough choice.”
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Yeah I heard he had some interest
and then after his throwing session was cancelled teams got scared.
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Fixed
Last I heard, he was looking at teams as a FA, and he was weighing some options. I guess he’s still weaighting
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Correction?
I only see one E for Adrianza in the books, Brute. Is the mistake yours or the Box Score (which is totally believable for minor league bookkeeping)?
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Poor Bumgarner… just isn’t doing well at all it seems, at least that’s what the stat lines say
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no prob… it’d help if i actually got to see him pitch, or was in Fresno, or at least could see highlights, but nope
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or you could read upthread. Lots of knowledgeable folks sharing their insight.
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But to be honest, it seems as though he has to locate his pitches better if he’s getting hit hard, 10 hits in 4 innings pitched? I mean, you could have 91 mph velocity on your pitches, the difference is, you have to mix your pitches and also locate well. It just doesnt seem like he’s locating his pitches well at all, leaving them up in the plate.
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Where did RafRod end up assignment-wise?
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He better be training to hit dingerz!
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Apr 15, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
More aggressive plate approach!
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by theghostofjasonellison on Apr 15, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
That's good
I heard they were thinking of rushing him to Augusta but I’m glad he gets another year (half year) in SS ball.
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I agree with this
I think Dominguez should be in San Jose instead of Culberson and even Biery.
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how long is Biery out for?
would his injury possibly result in a promotion for Dominguez?
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I'm not sure how long he is out
But I don’t think Dominguez would get called up because I think if they were going to call him up they would’ve stated him in San Jose.
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Perhaps Dominguez is working on a new approach. The sample size is way too small for it to mean a thing, but so far this season he’s cut his K rate almost in half.
I think he’ll get bumped up pretty soon here if he carries on with his early success.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Apr 15, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Well he is a 23 yr old out of college
He should be dominating Lo-A. While I agree that his approach was flawed he needs to work on it in San Jose otherwise he could be Andy D’Alessio with a better pedigree.
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True. But if he went straight to SJ with his approach from Salem-Keizer, he probably would strike out 50% of the time.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Apr 15, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
But as a 23 yr old you kind of need to sink or swim
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Only a few days for Biery. They could bring up Dominguez to fill in at 1B as Mazzola’s out for a while (shoulder separation) but Brandon Belt is looking good there.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 15, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Baron,
I believe you said there were still a few things about Belt’s swing that just didn’t quite look right. Could you provide any specifics? Thanks.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Apr 15, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
There’s still some of the hitch that I saw when he was with Texas, but it’s not as dramatic as it was during his college days. He looks really bad when he’s out in front of a pitch as well.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 16, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Biery is day-to-day, and could come back as early as Saturday.
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by BruteSentiment on Apr 16, 2010 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions
That doesn’t sound right. Looking up last year’s third-round picks … there are 15-20 college players in there, and as best I can tell, only two are playing at high-A or above.
That means 13-18 teams screwed up. Badly.
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by Josh from Hollywood on Apr 15, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Sad but true
Domingerz is not a prospect in my mind.
I went to the Las Vegas/Fresno game last night
Madbum looked awful in the first inning. The stadium gun had him at 91 the whole inning. The next 3 innings however were a completely different storry. He was locating his pitches very well and his velocity was up to 94.
Steve Decker gave me a bunch of shit for talking to some kids with LA hats.
Rohlinger, Downs, and Bond were all cool as could be spending time bullshitting with the fans after.
Buster is the man. You would never guess in a million years that he’s gonna be a star player given his great attitude. I asked him if the Giants wanted him to learn to close again and said they haven’t asked quite yet.
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Good times
It's tragic high tide
by TheBigLeBowker on Apr 15, 2010 11:08 AM PDT reply actions
that's why I referenced stadium gun
I don’t think any of them are accurate, the whole point is the velocity did pick up
It's tragic high tide
by TheBigLeBowker on Apr 15, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
and Lewis
is obviously pissed to be playing. He had a mean swagger to him all night and wanted nothing to do with SF fans.
It's tragic high tide
by TheBigLeBowker on Apr 15, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
What’s the deal with Fred Lewis? he’ll be either up in the majors this weekend or traded? so who’s done with the giants? i know this has been thrown around here before
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he doesn't want to be in SF I'll tell ya that
It's tragic high tide
by TheBigLeBowker on Apr 15, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
so i guess trading him would be the best scenario for everyone
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you should start a fanpost so we can discuss this at length
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Great Idea
We’ll discuss his horrible defense and how Matty’s a 3rd starter
It's tragic high tide
by TheBigLeBowker on Apr 15, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I hate that we have to. You know we won’t get anything of value back but dude don’t hit leadoff
It's tragic high tide
by TheBigLeBowker on Apr 15, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
TRADE LEWIS 4 BYRNES
/makes fanpost
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by Gobroks on Apr 15, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
neither here not there, but
who’s paying Byrnes this year? Is Arizona finally out from that ridiculous contract? I seem to remember it was only 2 years.
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fanpost is up… but yea, i almost feel they have to make a trade for Fred
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I don’t think so, there was an article on MLBtraderumors the other day about all the players the Dbacks are still paying for
It's tragic high tide
by TheBigLeBowker on Apr 15, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Dbacks are on the hook
for $10.6 this year to Byrnes
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by TheBigLeBowker on Apr 15, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
He's with the Mariners
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I still love you Fred :(
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Nice to see Belt is off to such a solid start, considering the questions about his bat coming in.
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by crazedcrustacean on Apr 15, 2010 11:33 AM PDT reply actions
He’s also got 4 early SBs. Perhaps he’s a decent athlete for a 1B. If the power never quite develops, RF might be worth a try. He used to hit 90 off the mound.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Apr 15, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
You told him to “Suck It,” right?
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Apr 15, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
You told him to “Suck It,” right?
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Apr 15, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
You told him to "Suck It," right?
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Apr 15, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
You told him to “Suck It,” right?
The Giants offseason moves - "meh"
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Is Jim worried about Dustin Ackley?
He’s still on COKE! Ruining his career and what not
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Should we feel bad for enabling him?
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Apr 15, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
he stole my wallet and then helped me look for it
It's tragic high tide
by TheBigLeBowker on Apr 15, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't feel bad
I sold him the coke, knocked him out, and now I have the coke AND the money.
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by Giant Voodoo on Apr 15, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
You are a smart business man
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Little does he know that Mariners’ money isn’t actually real.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Apr 15, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
That's why Lee didn't want to go there
Can’t pay your mortgage off with monopoly money
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by Giant Voodoo on Apr 15, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
I can’t pay off my mortgage with real money either … but we’ll save that for another day.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Apr 15, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
pay with live chickens
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by Giant Voodoo on Apr 15, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I lied…I’m too poor to actually have a mortgage.
But I have been meaning to pick me up some live chickens. Would you suggest a particular breed? I’ve always been partial to the Blue Wheaten.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Apr 15, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
If you plan to breed with live chickens, try missionary. I talked with Russell Martin and he says that is the easiest.
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by Giant Voodoo on Apr 15, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Rhode Island Red is a classic.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Apr 15, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
you got the coke and the money?
Bring it here
It's tragic high tide
by TheBigLeBowker on Apr 15, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Ron Washington, is that you?
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Apr 15, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
I would
If you stop swinging that bat at me and missing. What do I look like, a slider in the dirt?
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by Giant Voodoo on Apr 15, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Sound like Heston's innings
were bang bang bang
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He’s been impressive so far. His fastball-change up combo is supposed to be solid.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Apr 15, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Nice
Did he have that change when he came into the system?
I kinda prefer it when they have have a fastball/breaking ball combo because our system is phenomenal at teaching the change-up.
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by Giant Voodoo on Apr 15, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
dude's got a cannon
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by Giant Voodoo on Apr 15, 2010 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions
also
Bond wanted to borrow my sharpie to write on his bat and I told him to write Fuck Face like Billy Ripken and he’d never heard of it
It's tragic high tide
by TheBigLeBowker on Apr 15, 2010 12:04 PM PDT reply actions
What are we teaching our children these days?
That they don’t know the origins of Fuck Face?
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 15, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Education is always the first to suffer
It's tragic high tide
by TheBigLeBowker on Apr 15, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
http://www.cnbc.com/id/28116692/Billy_Ripken_Obscenity_Bat_He_Finally_Talks_20_Years_Later
Here’s Billie’s version of the story. There was a Fleer conspiracy.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Apr 15, 2010 12:31 PM PDT reply actions
Finally? He’s been telling wildly different versions of that story for 20 years. The fact that he changes his version every year does NOT mean he hasn’t talked about it. In fact, I just read a completely different “Billie’s version” of this story on a card collecting site about 6 months ago.
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