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Giants Bench Predictions 2010


Not much to say on this one, would just love to hear everyone's bench rosterbations as we head towards opening day.  Keep in mind Uribe need not be included, for now, with the Sanchez injury.  I also made the assumption Nate's got the job in RF.  Here are our candidates:

 

Eli Whiteside

Buster Posey

Travis Ishikawa

Emmanual Burriss

Kevin Fransden

Andres Torres

Eugenio Velez

Freddie Lewis

John Bowker

 

Here are my picks.  Based it off a 6 man bench crew.  Does anyone care that I left Ishikawa off?  Fransden wins over Burriss on default because of the injury.  When Sanchez comes back, Fransden gets the Boot.

Eli Whiteside C

John Bowker 1B/LF

Eugenio Velez 2B/LF

Freddie Lewis OF

Kevin Fransden IF

Andres Torres OF

Poll
Who shouldn't make the opening day roster?
Buster Posey (C/1B)
55 votes
Eli Whiteside (C)
19 votes
Travis Ishikawa (1B)
14 votes
John Bowker (1B)
6 votes
Kevin Fransden (IF)
16 votes
Eugenio Velez (2B/LF)
55 votes
Emmanual Burriss (2B)
69 votes
Andres Torres (OF)
13 votes
Freddie Lewis (OF)
17 votes

264 votes | Poll has closed

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PS: This lineup has so much VROOOOM!

by Andy Warpath on Mar 8, 2010 12:37 PM PST reply actions  

I really, really want Velez to not make the Opening Day roster.

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by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 8, 2010 12:43 PM PST reply actions  

+1

Please tell me we have moved past the dark ages of post hoc ergo propter hoc.

by Yeti Monster on Mar 8, 2010 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

+ ∞

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by nvsfg on Mar 8, 2010 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

This

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by Gobroks on Mar 8, 2010 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Niiiice...

infinity plus one.

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by nvsfg on Mar 8, 2010 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

yep

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by raisingcain on Mar 8, 2010 10:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I voted Posey, because he shouldn’t be sitting on the bench- he should be getting ample playing time no matter what level he’s at.

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by JT Jordan on Mar 8, 2010 12:57 PM PST reply actions  

But the question is “Who shouldn’t make the opening day roster?” not “Who shouldn’t be on the opening day bench?”

….right?

by GrooveGiant on Mar 8, 2010 5:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Good point.

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by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 8, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Seriously

I would be far more upset if Posey made the team as a back-up than if Velez made the team period.

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by cornball on Mar 8, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s a tough call for me, but I see your point. I think I’ll go with Velez because if he doesn’t make the team, it means Lewis and/or Bowker probably do. But yeah, Posey being on the major league roster to back-up Molina is stupid.

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by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 8, 2010 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

If Lewis and/or Bowker don’t make the team, that probably doesn’t do much to harm the team’s long-term prospects. Screwing up Buster Posey’s development definitely would.

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by cornball on Mar 8, 2010 7:35 PM PST up reply actions  

this is the line for me

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by j14 on Mar 8, 2010 4:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Crap, I misread the poll question. Please ignore the John Bowker vote.

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by Natto on Mar 8, 2010 2:07 PM PST reply actions  

I already ignore your posts

Now I have to ignore your votes, too?

sheesh

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by Goofus on Mar 9, 2010 8:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Ha! You didn’t ignore that one! I caught you in your lie, you lying liar!

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by Natto on Mar 9, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

who says a 6 man bench? They always talk about carrying 11 pitchers in April, then chicken out and carry 12. And Burriss is in a cast for 4 weeks.
So I expect Whiteside, Velez, Torres, plus [Lewis or Bowker, not both], and [Frandsen or Downs or Rohlinger]
That is a lot of OFs. And de Rosa as the platoon 1B.

cheering for Adam Witter, who will hit bigleague dingers some day.
Still yelling "Go, Antoan"

by foothillsfan on Mar 8, 2010 2:11 PM PST reply actions  

What about

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!

by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 8, 2010 3:09 PM PST reply actions  

Ribe?

You didn’t read the post.

by The Double Deuce on Mar 8, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh. uhhhhh. I meant…….uh…….. STEVE HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLM

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by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 8, 2010 5:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I voted Velez because based on talent he shouldn't be on the roster

Though Posey is NOT a bench player

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by Gobroks on Mar 8, 2010 4:53 PM PST reply actions  

I voted for velez because I'm racist

I have finally accepted the fact that I will never win a McCoven award.

by The Thrill on Mar 8, 2010 7:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I wish there was an acceptable combination where Bowker started and Schierholtz rode the bench. I believe Nate will never be better than a backup outfielder while Johnny has the potential to be very productive offensively.

Bowker LF +

Derosa RF
Lewis RF, Derosa 2B, Uribe Bench
Nate RF, Derosa 1B, Huff Bench

or Bowker 1B, Huff Bench. (is Huff really going to be that much better defensively than Bowker?)

No one here gets out alive.

by Bond16 on Mar 8, 2010 5:26 PM PST reply actions  

LF-Bowker
CF-Rowand
RF-DeRosa

I also agree with your assessment of Nate and Bowker and I would be okay with Bowker starting at 1B but I can’t see anyway Huff gets benched…he’ll get his 127 AB’s

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by Gobroks on Mar 8, 2010 5:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with this, I’d like to see Lewis in left and Bowker at first I think, but I don’t see Huff getting benched or Lewis or Bowker getting the nod over Shierholtz.

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by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 8, 2010 5:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd rather see that as well

The more I see Huff the more I think he doesn’t shouldn’t fit in with this team-Bowker is better offensively, Guzman is similar offensively, TI is better defensively (he was healthy when Huff signed) and it just plugs in a mediocre veteran to a position where we need strong offensive production

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by Gobroks on Mar 8, 2010 5:54 PM PST up reply actions  

it just plugs in a mediocre veteran to a position where we need strong offensive production

The Giants way.

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by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 8, 2010 6:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly...actually the Huff signing makes me think of this song

http://www.metrolyrics.com/backfire-lyrics-mute-math.html

especially this part

Please tell me, why are we trying so hard?
Why worry, it’s over,
We always fall right back to where we start.

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by Gobroks on Mar 8, 2010 7:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Buckle up, this is going to be a long one

I was going to make a fanpost saying this, but I didn’t know if it would be long enough, and this seems like a good enough place to put it.

Assuming the starting 8 are: Molina, Huff, Sanchez (Uribe until Sanchez returns from the DL), Renteria, Sandoval, DeRosa, Rowand, and Schierholtz, I’d say it’s a good idea to have a five-man bench of Uribe, Bowker, Lewis, Torres, and Whiteside. Yup, one backup INF and three backup OFs.

Whiteside is Molina’s backup because Posey needs to be playing daily, and so he should be in AAA.

The glut of outfielders is where it gets interesting. Since DeRosa can play every infield position except shortstop, he and Uribe can be our backup infielders. Instead of carrying Frandsen/Burriss/Rohlinger/Downs to be a second backup INF, when one of Pablo/Sanchez/Huff needs an off day, DeRosa can slide into their position and one of the backup OFs takes LF. This gives us considerable depth at every position, with the possible exception of shortstop:

C: Molina, Whiteside, Sandoval
1B: Huff, Sandoval, DeRosa
2B: Sanchez, Uribe, DeRosa
3B: Sandoval, Uribe, DeRosa
SS: Renteria, Uribe
LF: DeRosa, Bowker, Lewis
CF: Rowand, Torres, Schierholtz
RF: Schierholtz, Torres, Lewis

That’s a lineup that’s at least three deep at every position, probably more, except SS (where DeRosa could probably play horribly if necessary). Even better, assuming regular rest, a “3.5th OF”, ideally Bowker IMO, could get regular ABs while DeRosa plays the infield. I don’t think it’s out of the question for the 3.5th OF to see 400 plate appearances if he’s the go-to guy when DeRosa moves to the infield.

However, this really does call the Uribe signing into question; was it worth dropping $3M on what amounts to a backup backup infielder, when Kevin Frandsen, Ryan Rohlinger, and Matt Downs are all probably as good as Uribe and significantly cheaper? The only place where Uribe provides depth over DeRosa is SS, which all three of those guys can play. I think with DeRosa able to back up the infield starters and a plethora of outfielders available to back him up while he backs them up, the Uribe signing was rather unnecessary in conjunction with the DeRosa acquisition; now, if DeRosa hadn’t signed, there’s much more of an argument to be made for Uribe, but I wonder if they were both necessary.

Given the positional versatiliy of Uribe and DeRosa and our multitude of acceptable backups, I think we can safely carry only one backup infielder in Uribe and be pretty unconcerned about rest and injury; if one of our OFs goes down, we have plenty of guys to cover for them; if one Huff, Sanchez, or Sandoval goes down, DeRosa can cover them while a backup OF takes his spot; if Renteria goes down, Uribe or one of the Frandsen/Downs/Rohlinger contingent can take his spot while DeRosa becomes the backup infielder on days it’s necessary and a backup OF again takes his spot, and Molina’s got Whiteside (and Sandoval…) and Posey in AAA to back him up. I think the last thing this team needs to be concerned about is injury; we can replace all our mediocre bats with slightly worse than mediocre bats.

by quincy0191 on Mar 8, 2010 6:50 PM PST reply actions  

However, this really does call the Uribe signing into question; was it worth dropping $3M on what amounts to a backup backup infielder

Ah, seeing, you’re missing the obvious point. When you sign an old player you know to already be hurt, of course it’s worth spending $3M for a starter, since we still didn’t have a starting 2B when we signed Uribe!

by Missing Barry on Mar 8, 2010 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I have no idea what you just said, but I fully trust Sabean & Co. to bring us superior baseball management, so it must have made sense!

by quincy0191 on Mar 8, 2010 10:23 PM PST up reply actions  

seriously

I figure he’ll end up starting there or replacing Rent like last year, so in either of those circumstances it’s at least as logical as paying $16M for the starters at 2B and SS.

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by natteringnabob on Mar 9, 2010 7:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Is Derosa really a magic utility man that can play all the positions we are rosterbating him into?

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by Bond16 on Mar 8, 2010 8:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Try to understand
try to understand

try try try to understaaaand

Mark DeRosa: the rare utility player who can provide some utility.

by oldjacket on Mar 8, 2010 9:07 PM PST up reply actions  

love it!

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by Bond16 on Mar 8, 2010 9:46 PM PST up reply actions  

the pride of Seattle back when

cheering for Adam Witter, who will hit bigleague dingers some day.
Still yelling "Go, Antoan"

by foothillsfan on Mar 9, 2010 7:20 AM PST up reply actions  

MLB career:

117.2 innings at 1B
2236.2 innings at 2B
2408.2 innings at 3B
829.2 innings at SS
412 innings in LF
1193.1 innings in RF

Given that 1B is the easiest defensive position with the worst peer group, it seems he should be able to play it fine.

by Missing Barry on Mar 8, 2010 9:16 PM PST up reply actions  

understood. but the next question is, does a player lose any effectiveness by not specializing at a position during the course of a season? For example; if Derosa is playing mostly LF, does he become a liability as an infielder?

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by Bond16 on Mar 8, 2010 10:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, I don’t really have an answer for that. I’m honestly not sure if he’d be more effective playing one position all season long or a few. I know once guys focus on one position they tend to improve at that position (Feliz, Pedro), but at this point DeRosa has probably played a few of them long enough to really get a feel how to play them.

My big concern is it seems DeRosa is a better outfielder than infielder. Even taking positional adjustments into account, based on UZR (and some quick and dirty eyeballed “regression to the mean”), he seems to come out a net positive in the OF compared to IF, which would mean it’s better than us to play him in the OF, at least before taking into account any possible talent difference in whoever would be playing (that is, the difference between OF and IF in Outfielder + DeRosa vs DeRosa + Infielder)…

by Missing Barry on Mar 9, 2010 6:58 AM PST up reply actions  

somebody posted stats

when DeRosa first signed with us, he looks better than average as OF, worse than average as IF. Funny, since he came up as shortstop, but there it is. Got slower or bulkier maybe?

cheering for Adam Witter, who will hit bigleague dingers some day.
Still yelling "Go, Antoan"

by foothillsfan on Mar 9, 2010 7:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, to a degree you expect that, because corner OF’ers, on average, are much worse than infielders (and we look at defense compared to the position average) – Fangraphs estimates it’s a 10 run difference defensively between corner OF and 2B/3B, but it appears it’s more than 10 runs for DeRosa, so his skills are probably just better suited in the OF.

by Missing Barry on Mar 9, 2010 7:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Isn’t there a sample size concern with Derosa’s outfield numbers though? I know you gave him some regression, but 412 innings is not very many to judge his defense in left; even 1200 innings is not a lot for UZR. I certainly hope he has some good outfield defense, but I’m wondering if maybe we should worry about not having enough innings.

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by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 9, 2010 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

LF basically equals RF, so just take them as 1600 innings at a corner OF spot without differentiating between LF and RF. Small sample, should be regressed a decent amount, but it’s probably a pretty good indication he’s a decent amount above average (which you’d expect knowing how bad the corner OF peer group is)….

by Missing Barry on Mar 9, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I’d say there’s a sample-size concern, plus a common-sense concern (he’s just not very fast), plus a “that was several years ago” concern.

by Evan on Mar 9, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Is he not very fast, though? I don’t know much about DeRosa, but I’d generally assume a utility guy who plays 2B, 3B and OF has at least decent speed, he’s fairly comparable to Rowand in Fangraphs “SPD” stat (note: I have no idea what that stat measures exactly or how it’s constructed), he’s been passable enough UZR-wise in decent defensive positions and good in a bad one…..what makes you call him not very fast?

Also, aging should definitely be a concern, but his OF UZR doesn’t come from that long ago. He’s played it each of the last few years for at least some time….

by Missing Barry on Mar 9, 2010 1:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Good points. I may remain a bit skeptical of his outfield defense mainly because of the sample size, but since his UZR is positive I’ll be cautiously optimistic.

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by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 9, 2010 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Doesn’t hit triples or steal bases … if he’s fast, he’s hiding it well.

by Evan on Mar 9, 2010 8:23 PM PST up reply actions  

It's easier to be a good OF than good IF

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by Goofus on Mar 9, 2010 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

sure

if that clod hack defensive incompetent Posey can do it, anyone can!

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by natteringnabob on Mar 9, 2010 7:02 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree with all of this.

However I have an insignificant preference for Steve Holm over Eli Whiteside.

by AmorVincitOmnia on Mar 9, 2010 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Also...

In your plan, what do you think should happen when Travis Ishikawa comes back?

by AmorVincitOmnia on Mar 9, 2010 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

He should be sent to AAA to get regular playing time to see if he can replicate his 2008 numbers. My money is on no.

by quincy0191 on Mar 9, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Rohlinger and Downs have to be considered live options to make the team as backup infielders while Sanchez is hurt.

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by oldjacket on Mar 8, 2010 7:03 PM PST reply actions  

WTFRANDSEN!

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by Gobroks on Mar 9, 2010 1:31 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL Frandsen

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by Bond16 on Mar 9, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

This is fun

based on a six man bench:
Whiteside
Ishi
Torres
Bowker
Frandsen
Lewis

Ishi’s defense belongs in the majors. Just not as an everyday player.

Lewis deserves a chance to compete for a starting spot. He won’t get it right away, but the time will come. If Schierholtz doesn’t hit, I’d like to see Lewis in right.

Torres and Velez are both specialists, in that they are more likely to get situational playing time. Having both in the lineup seems redundant. Torres beats out Velez for defense big time, so I’d rather see him there. Velez also has no fucking idea how to steal a base.

Out of Frandsen, Downs, and Rohlinger, Frandsen should get the first shot. Call it veteran preference.

Bowker and Whiteside are obvious contributors.

by fantastical on Mar 8, 2010 11:02 PM PST reply actions  

suppose I wouldn’t mind a Lewis trade for someone with similar potential (ie not a pitcher)

by fantastical on Mar 8, 2010 11:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Ishi’s defense belongs in the majors. Just not as an everyday player.

Well, maybe, but if Aubrey Huff is an everyday player….well, Ishikawa fits that mold of everyday player….

by Missing Barry on Mar 9, 2010 6:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Let’s not talk about Huff.

by fantastical on Mar 9, 2010 10:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Once Sanchez comes back and Uribe becomes a bench player, who goes to AAA?

by quincy0191 on Mar 9, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Either Frandsen or Bowker, I guess. Options and stuff.

by fantastical on Mar 9, 2010 10:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd like Bowker getting full playing time wherever possible

And IIRC, he still has an option

Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all

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by baetown415 on Mar 9, 2010 6:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I just don’t think he’s got anything left to show in the minors. I’d rather see him get a chance to prove his bat is needed in the major league lineup than rip up AAA again.

by fantastical on Mar 9, 2010 10:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I just don’t think he’s got anything left to show in the minors.

Eh, I wouldn’t mind seeing him prove his new approach is for real by doing it over a bigger sample size….

by Missing Barry on Mar 10, 2010 7:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Ishi

So I guess people are saying he makes the roster as a pure defensive replacement for Huff. A defensive 1B specialist seems like a waste of a roster spot like carryinv a backup punter. If that’s all he’s good for, I’d rather have more bats in the lineup.

If you need a defensive replacement at 1B, Sandoval can always slide over there with Derosa or Uribe taking over at the hot sack.

I’m not anti-Ishi, but if not carrying him allowed us to carry Lewis and Bowker, I wouldn’t carry him.

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by Goofus on Mar 9, 2010 8:57 AM PST reply actions  

I agree with this. Compared to Huff, Ishikawa is an everyday first baseman, as Missing Barry pointed out above. However, assuming the Giants leave Huff as the everyday first baseman because, well, they just do, carrying Ishikawa just for his defense seems unnecessary.

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by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 9, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree. I don’t mind Ishikawa, and earlier this off season I was pulling for him to be our starting 1B (over a signing like Huff at least). That being said, if it’s the difference between keeping Lewis or Bowker or even Torres on the major league squad, I say Ishi’s gota go. Sandoval, DeRosa, and Bowker can all handle the 1B (yes I know, bench defense suffers).

Question: Do any of these players (Ishikawa, Fransden, Torres, Lewis, Bowker, Velez) have minor league options? Or are we releasing if they don’t make the squad? That would most likely shape my bench pretty heavily.

by Andy Warpath on Mar 9, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I beleive Fransden and Bowker each have an option and Lewis doesn’t. Not sure about Velez and Torres.

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by Goofus on Mar 9, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

the information is difficult to find but I agree Frandsen and Bowker have options left and Lewis does not. Unfortunate because I want Frandsen and Bowker to make the team!

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by Bond16 on Mar 9, 2010 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Bowker

I’m torn on wanting Bowker to making the team. If it’s as a 4th or 5th OF, I’d rather have him get regular ABs in Fresno. (I feel the same way about Posey.) In addition, I wouldn’t want them to burn his last option if he’s only going to be a stop-gap until F Sanchez returns.

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by Goofus on Mar 9, 2010 12:07 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s a good point, since Bowker would probably go down over Lewis. Oh, silly Giants management.

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by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 9, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Good point. But what does Johnny really have left to prove in AAA?

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by Bond16 on Mar 9, 2010 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

He can work on getting more gritty and gamery

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by Goofus on Mar 9, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree

I think Bowker needs consistent AB’s but at the same time where do you go from being the PCL MVP?

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by Gobroks on Mar 9, 2010 1:33 PM PST up reply actions  

On the Giants? Nowhere.

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by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 9, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah he just doesn't fit

It’s not like the Giants need patient, up and coming, power hitters

/sigh

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by Gobroks on Mar 9, 2010 10:37 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

There certainly are ways to get him into the lineup if they want to, and I’m having a hard time at this point seeing why they wouldn’t want to.

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by Roger on Mar 10, 2010 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

I’d like to see him start over Nate

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by Gobroks on Mar 10, 2010 4:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure Velez doesn't

Because I think when he was sent down last season, he was DFA’ed last season and NO ONE ELSE WANTED HIM SABEAN GARCUPKFFFULKJ;AKJD
And he’s the franchise cornerstone.

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by baetown415 on Mar 9, 2010 6:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Not true. Velez was never DFAd or removed from the 40 man. He was optioned to Fresno twice during the season but stayed on the 40 man both times. I think the people DFA’d in season last year were Pat Misch, Billy Sadler, Steve Holm, Jesse English, Ryan Sadowski, and Osiris Matos. Holm went unclaimed and Matos (who was DFA’d with three weeks left in the season) resigned with us in the winter.

And editorializing, I think Velez would be claimed were he DFA’d. I actually think some of the anti-Velez sentiment goes a bit far here. He has been looking better in the OF lately, and as a hitter he and Nate are pretty much identical twins (from the stat line angle). I can see some value in having him on the bench.

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by Roger on Mar 10, 2010 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree with you about Velez

I also agree with you about me being about the coolest thing ever.

Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!

by Goofus on Mar 10, 2010 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s some serious reading between the lines, there, Goofus. Waaay between the lines.

My Bucardo is better than yours.

A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.

by Roger on Mar 10, 2010 5:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Reading between the lines?

Hmmm…I thought your opinion about Velez was pretty straightforward

;-)

Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!

by Goofus on Mar 11, 2010 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I apparently f'ed up

My bad people

/loses shine on nerd helmet

Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all

McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.

by baetown415 on Mar 10, 2010 10:05 PM PST up reply actions  

also agree. As much as I like Ishikawa, I’d rather have Frandsen on the team.

No one here gets out alive.

by Bond16 on Mar 9, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

This

Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010

by Gobroks on Mar 9, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

As much as I like Frandsen, I’d rather have Bowker on the team.

by quincy0191 on Mar 9, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I want Bowker on the team-but I don't want him as a bench player

Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010

by Gobroks on Mar 9, 2010 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Although, given the risk of injury, there’s a chance Bowker gets regular playing time this year even as a 4th or 5th outfielder. I think it’s fair to expect a fair bit of DL time for this team, even without worrying about freak injuries to young players (knocked on wood).

Eagerly anticipating adding to my Giants family.

by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 9, 2010 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Right but I want him to get used to playing everyday

whether in LF or 1B-So if DeRosa gets injured (not that I want him to) I don’t want Bowker to struggle because he’s not getting regular PT and become like the next Frandsen (even though I love Frandsen)

Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010

by Gobroks on Mar 9, 2010 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s certainly a good point. If he were to struggle in brief playing time, that would of course further the arguments of those who claim Bowker is a AAAA player. It’s frustrating to want players to make the team but know that them doing so means they won’t play consistently (even though they should) and their development will therefore suffer.

Eagerly anticipating adding to my Giants family.

by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 9, 2010 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Summation: Why the hell sign Huff?

Eagerly anticipating adding to my Giants family.

by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 9, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Grit

and he has soft hands

/dirty pun

Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010

by Gobroks on Mar 9, 2010 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

that one was my /facepalm of the offseason. In a big way.

by fantastical on Mar 9, 2010 10:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe he’ll be a great pinch hitter? Matt Stairs style?

by fantastical on Mar 9, 2010 10:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I actually thought Huff was the 2nd best signing of the offseason

Sanchez just got hurt again as I was typing this.
Molina is a terrible hitter blocking a very good hitter.
Uribe is likely to regress and is an overpaid bench player.

When Aubrey Huff is in someone’s top 2 signings you know it was a bad offseason.

Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010

by Gobroks on Mar 9, 2010 10:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I really hope that bit about Sanchez was a joke

by fantastical on Mar 9, 2010 11:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm fairly certain it was

Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010

by Gobroks on Mar 10, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL fairly certain

The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga

Current Team: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Molina, Renteria, Schierholtz

The Kids' CHONE WAR projection= 12.7
Current Team's CHONE WAR projection= 12.6

by dregarx on Mar 10, 2010 5:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I would want

Holm
Frandsen (stepping in for Freddy, hahaha ahh….)
Fred Lewis (starting in LF, hahaha …)
Bowker competing for RF/1B (…)
Ishi
Torres or Whiteside, idk

go rowand

by lincypoo i wuv u on Mar 9, 2010 7:21 PM PST reply actions  

Bowker 1B/OF
Lewis OF
Torres OF
Whiteside C
Frandsen IF (until F.Sanchez returns)

Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.

by cain1rstballothof on Mar 10, 2010 3:00 PM PST reply actions  

I don't think Posey should be on the Opening Day Roster

He might be ready to make the team right out of Spring Training, but we already have Molina for this year and Posey could catch every day at AAA. Furthermore, keeping Posey in the minors for at least the beginning of the season would keep his arbitration clock from starting for one more year.

by Bay Area Sports Fan on Mar 13, 2010 9:12 AM PST reply actions  

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