Brian Wilson signs extension through 2012
by Grant Brisbee on Mar 26, 2010 10:07 AM PDT
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PrintThere’s nothing worse than a good team with a bad bullpen. The 2004 Giants are the example that hits closest to home -- Matt Herges is a nice guy, but he’s a closer like Pedro Feliz is a catcher.
Wait, there might be something worse than a good team with a bad bullpen: a bad team with a bad bullpen. How you doin’? There’s just something extra demoralizing about a reliever snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Over a 162-game season, a terrible bullpen can really cheese a fanbase off. So I can understand the desire to lock up key members of the bullpen. The Giants signed Jeremy Affeldt to an extension, and now the word on the street is that they bought out two of Brian Wilson’s arbritration years for a total of $15M.
A good bullpen is just swell to have. And Brian Wilson is a good closer, with the potential to get better. But this move doesn’t make a lot of sense. I don’t hate it. I don’t have a visceral reaction to the move. It’s just...why?
The Giants have three more years of arbitration with Wilson. The going rate for a super-proven closer is $11M or so. That’s where you’ll find relievers like Joe Nathan and Francisco Rodriguez. That’s also not where you find arbitration-eligible closers. The commitment to Wilson -- $6.5M in 2011 and $8.5M in 2012 -- is at an average salary close to what players like Bobby Jenks and Jonathan Broxton got when they avoided arbitration this year. But if Jenks or Broxton get hurt -- say, if they accidentally swallow their own hands in a freak pie-eating contest -- or if they pitch poorly enough to lose their closer jobs, their teams aren’t on the hook for next year. The Giants would be. And by giving up their flexibility they gain...nothing, really. It’s hard to see Wilson getting much more $15M in arbitration over the next two seasons, even if he pitches as well as he did last season.
Good for B-Weezy for securing his future. Wilson was in line to get the kind of draft bonus that can provide for a long time, but he blew out his arm. He worked hard to get back to this position, and that $15M can by a lot of fur-lined coats. But where was the urgency? Maybe I’m underestimating just how nasty the arbitration process is. Still, if I’m worried about my closer getting a wadded jockstrap over the mean things said in arbitration, I’m worried that my closer will get a wadded jockstrap when he blows a save, and that would make me worried that he might be too sensitive for the job, which would mean I wouldn’t be too keen on committing to him long-term, which would then suggest that arbitration is the way to go, unless I was worried that my closer getting a wadded jockstrap over the mean things said in arbitration....
Yesterday, the Giants had control of Brian Wilson through 2013. Today, the Giants have control of Brian Wilson through 2013. If Wilson pitches even better than expected, this deal will save the Giants, what, $3M? That’s not an insignificant amount of money, but it’s not worth the risk. The risk is that the Giants find themselves in a situation similar to 2003 and 2004, when they paid Robb Nen $18M not to pitch, or a situation similar to the Benitez era, when they paid $20M+ for an ineffective tub of rendered lipids. Relievers are volatile creatures. One season’s Joel Zumaya is the next season’s Joel Zumaya. I’m just not sure what the Giants were trying to avoid.
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"There he goes. One of god's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
I completely agree with this well thought out comment
what else can you say? Nobody would have had any problem with Tim Lincecum getting more than a two year extension, and Tim actually has lost some velocity. You can make the case that Weezy is less of a risk than Tim because he’s throwing harder than he ever has. As you said, they might have haggled with him the next couple of years and gotten him for less, but who cares? Aaron Rowand wipes his ass with the money difference it would have meant. This would only be a story if they had bought out a free agent year or two. Then we can decide if it was a smart move, although we’d probably all agree that at this point it would be pretty dumb to do that.
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You can make the case that Weezy is less of a risk than Tim because he’s throwing harder than he ever has.
Not really. There’s no way that relief pitchers are more predictable than elite starting pitchers.
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I disagree. You might be right in the majority of the cases, but remember the starting pitcher we’re talking about here. I’m not the least bit concerned about the loss of velocity at this point, but there’s really little precedent (other than Pedro Martinez) for a player of Tim’s stature having a very long injury free career.
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There’s very little precedent for anything that Lincecum’s done.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 26, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
What about Gary McLittleton?
Won three Cy Youngs in his first three seasons in AL and NL. Started the All Star Game. Hero in two World Series. Oh, never heard of him? Well, that’s because I made him up.
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What's really weird...
…is that I had heard of him.
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Roy Oswalt is only listed as 1 inch taller and 15 pounds heavier than Lincecum.
Also, I bet you can find tons of examples from the past of guys who were similar in size to Tim who had fine, long careers. For example, Carl Hubbell was listed with the same weight as Tim, and was only 1 inch taller. He pitched until he was 40.
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“but there’s really little precedent (other than Pedro Martinez) for a player of Tim’s stature having a very long injury free career.”
There’s very little precedent of pitchers in general having a long injury free career.
There are fewer small pitchers in the sample, since larger guys have been over selected from the general population, both due to bias about how they will “break down” and also the simple fact that a larger guy likely has more mucsle mass, and thus is more likely to throw harder than a smaller guy.
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the simple fact that a larger guy likely has more mucsle mass, and thus is more likely to throw harder than a smaller guy
I’m no whatever you call people that know crap about human anatomy, but I’m not sure muscle mass has much to do with it, or even that taller guys have more of it. It’s more about longer arms and legs and such being able to add velocity…
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by Missing Barry on Mar 26, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
This
Velocity has more to do with mechanics than muscle mass.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 26, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, but I think DrStankus is referring more to perception than reality. Which can still dictate scouting and evaluation more than it should sometimes. And definitely affects the way most layfans understand the game.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 26, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually, nevermind. I see he’s not saying that. Though he does mention a perception bias, it’s not in relation to the muscley comment.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 26, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
That’s more along the lines of what I meant, but I got a little jumbly there due to these crazy work distractions.
I swear, just cause they pay me, they think they have the right to make my MCC posts 40% less coherent.
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I think you're right
But a longer arm generally is able to throw with more velocity than a shorter one if the mechanics are the same.
The longer arc generates more speed. Think of the clubhead speed of a driver vs. a 9-iron
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So longer=better?
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by bondslegend on Mar 26, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
TWHAHMS
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man, I butchered that
TWSAAHMS
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I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 26, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
If I had to attribute a specific area of the body that is the most important to velocity, it would be the legs. That is where the power originates.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 26, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
It's all connected
The legs and hips bring the arm through the throwing motion.
The longer arm helps though. Think of those chucker things that people use to throw a tennis ball for their dogs. I’ve seen middle-aged women wing balls pretty far without effort.
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Angular velocity is the word we’re looking for, I believe. The larger the radius of the circle, the faster the object travels around the circumference.
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by Missing Barry on Mar 26, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Assuming the same periodicity.
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by Johnny Disaster on Mar 26, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I'll second Lars on this one.
As a drummer, I can readily tell you that it’s not the guys with the beefiest arms (or even just forearms) who can play the fastest or the hardest. There are other influences on mechanics, and since pitching a baseball has even more pieces to the puzzle than striking something by snapping your wrist, I imagine there are more variables there, as well.
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Sure he's lost velocity
But he traded it for better control and two Cy Young awards.
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This team can't do anything right
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Seriously, I feel like a lot of SaBochy’s moves this past winter have been deliberate attempts to poke their fingers in the sabermetric community’s collective eye. Don’t like Mole? Well, you’ll get Freddy for another two years, and you’ll like him, dammit!
During Ned Colletti's first press conference as Dodger GM,
he uttered the following:
“"’Do I use VORP? ‘I may be using it and not even know it, and if I am, it’s nobody’s business. There are a lot of different criteria in judging players. I think I use, um, esoteric qualitative mathematical review times five. That’s one of them.”
It was pretty clear from day one that he’d be poking his chubby fingers in the collective eye of the sabermetric community, and nothing he has done since has really changed that perception.
And that's why the dodgers have won 3 straight word series titles
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by bondslegend on Mar 26, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s too bad for them that they’re so good at Scrabble and not baseball.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 26, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
The Dodgers’ HAVE been reasonably successful though. You can’t prove that teams that make extensive use of stats are more successful than teams that don’t. The most important stat, as always, continues to be payroll dollars.
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But what about the important Scrabble issue?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 26, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Tampa bay rays- made the world series
Minnesota twins- continue to win their division the majority of the time despite having a microscopic payroll. The rockies don’t have a huge payroll either, I don’t think anyways. And they’re pretty successful recently.
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by bondslegend on Mar 26, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Also the marlins
they’ve won 2 WS (and even beat the yankees, who had a big payroll if I remember)
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by bondslegend on Mar 26, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Wasn’t the Marlins payroll pretty high in the years they won though? And followed by a payroll reduction/gutting of the club the next year?
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by Johnny Disaster on Mar 26, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
In 2001, the Marlins were #26 in MLB in payroll.
I can’t find info on 1997, though.
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IIRC
They were into the $90+ range, which was pretty stout in 97
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Yeah, 1997 they had a lot of mid-to-high-level FA guys. Bobby Bonilla, Kevin Brown, Moises Alou, Gary Sheffield, Devon White, Al Leiter…
It was 1998 when they really became the low-salary cheapskates we all know and love today.
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The 1998 Marlins were a pretty fascinating team, actually. Not in a good way.
After having an offseason fire sale (which netted us Robb Nen, yay!), they traded literally HALF THEIR LINEUP for Mike Piazza, and then, a few days later, flipped Piazza for a few prospects who didn’t pan out. Ouch.
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…and then they won the World Series AGAIN just five years later.
Fucking goddamn Marlins. I’d resent the hell out of their fans if they had any.
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conversation with myself, whee
Reading FishStripes is kind of sad. The most recent post is a gameday thread where the guy congratulates himself for posting it before the game was over. There are 2 comments. The next four posts don’t have any comment. The most recent Fanpost is from 11 days ago. There’s a fanshot from yesterday, but the second one is 21 days old.
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That is quite sad.
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We ought to organize a cyber flash mob and commandeer FishStripes on a day the Marlins play the Giants. That’d be awesome. We could introduce them to such wonders as dancing cats and OT conversations about bacon.
Love it.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 26, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Say the word.
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by victor frankenstein on Mar 26, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Better yet
Commandeer it on a day they’re playing the Dodgers so we’ll be rooting for the Marlins.
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I like this idea even better. Ok, the Marlins home opening weekend (Friday, April 9th-Sunday April 11th) is against the Dodgers. I’ll post a fanpost a couple days before and we’ll take it over one of those days.
They must play them in la la land sometime this season, too, right? I’m not going to look ’cuz so far today any information I read has been of epic fail proportions.
Looks like the Marlins have an night game on Monday, July 5th, and the Giants have an afternoon game that same day. Part of me wants to do it sooner, but more people will probably be free on a Monday night.
Well, it’s a pretty sure bet NOBODY will be free April 9, 10, or 11. Even we’re going to 2 games that weekend.
We’re in Sacramento. So a trip in to SF for Opening Day, a Sharks game, and something else has become a birthday/valentines/christmas tradition. (Meaning we combine all the $$ we would have spent on presents for each other on those holidays and blow it all on a weekend in SF.)
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by cornball on Mar 26, 2010 12:06 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Not for 2001. See above.
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Yeah, it was ’97 I was thinking of.
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by Johnny Disaster on Mar 26, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
oh, wait
I’m a dumbass. The Diamondbacks won the Series in 2001. The Marlins were 2003. Let me see if I can find info for 2003…
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20th of 30. Higher than 2001, but still below average.
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The who did what in 2001?
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by victor frankenstein on Mar 26, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
RANT: Marlins' succes was due to scouting and player development. NOT Stats.
1) They just hired a stats guy in the last 2 years.
2) Many of their main components were pieced together based on valuations stats guys would cringe at. (They wanted “big guys that could throw hard, because in the playoffs, the umps don’t give you the corners.” and “We got Derrek Lee because we knew his dad well, his dad’s a stand up guy, great character” – Orrin Freeman Asst. GM… and he was right)
Anyone who thinks you can have sustainable success by simply utilizing stats is crazy/ misinformed. People reference the Marlins all the time, but they, just recently have jumped on the stats band wagon. “the red sox hired Bill James and won a world series for the first time in almost 90 years” Look at that red sox team… what gem did James find? Ortiz? Steroids? That team was largely built by Dan Duquette, a big scouting and player development guy. I want to know which team has had sustained success just by using stats.
This is not at all to say that stats aren’t important, it’s just that they are but a small piece of a much larger pie.
In conclusion, “Cash Rules Everything Around Me” – Abner D. Dubleday
Minnesota’s payroll is looking a bit less microscopic now.
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Yes, that's true
but that doesn’t change what they did when it was.
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by bondslegend on Mar 26, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Anecdotes are not real evidence. You have to look at the full population. Here you go. Here’s the article. Payroll is a big factor, denying that is denying truth.
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by Missing Barry on Mar 26, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
But you can still be a good team with a low payroll, if your prospects become great players while still under team control?
The Giants pay for below average vet’s that we could replace with any of our mediocre prospects, for what, 300 k, a year? Thats just my opinion of our team.
Nellie needs to go! but while we suffer....John Wall or Evan Turner please!
If it helps you guys out, I’ll start writing articles about how Buster Posey will be a bust and catchers that look like they live on pallets of Pop Tarts are the newest market inefficiency.
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by D.Szymborski on Mar 26, 2010 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
But now we are expecting Sabean to read?
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by Giant among Angels on Mar 26, 2010 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
True, reading is hard. I suspect Sabes would have trouble figuring out a Go-Bot.
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by D.Szymborski on Mar 26, 2010 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
OMGCELEBRITY SIGHTING
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I know. GoBots are awesome. I had Loco and Cy-Kill.
by Grant Brisbee on Mar 28, 2010 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
This seems completely pointless.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Mar 26, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Brian WOW.
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by Johnny Disaster on Mar 26, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I have a conspiracy theory
Stay with me on this one:
Sabean has a two year extension. He knows that over the course of those two years, he needs to win. Really bad.
The only problem is that the 2010 FA class wasn’t all that impressive. He tried to get the players he wanted (NJ, LaRoche, whathaveyou) and found himself unable to.
But everyone knows that the 2011 FA class is going to be pretty great. Because of omgversatility, the Giants will be able to go after infielders or outfielders.
The 2011 offseason is going to be very busy. And payroll might expand. But Sabean needs cost certainty moving forward. He doesn’t want to be dealing with arb cases (in wilson’s case) or extension talks (in Affeldt’s) at the same time that he’s making other moves.
The impression I get from these moves is that Sabean really plans to contend in 2011, right before his contract is up…
My Son was the third most valuable Giant position player by WAR in 2009. A little sad, a little happy.
He tried to get the players he wanted (NJ, LaRoche, whathaveyou) and found himself unable to.
He didn’t try very hard. :(
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by Missing Barry on Mar 26, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
That we'll never know.
The impression I got from the NJ thing was that he made an offer slightly above the Yanks, then waited for a counteroffer. Instead of countering, NJ just took the Yankee deal.
And as far as LaRoche, Sabean offered him the most money of anyone, and the fucker didn’t want it. Dunno what else he could have done.
My Son was the third most valuable Giant position player by WAR in 2009. A little sad, a little happy.
And as far as LaRoche, Sabean offered him the most money of anyone, and the fucker didn’t want it. Dunno what else he could have done.
Accoding to LaRoche, he made the Giants a counteroffer they never responded to – they just moved on to Huff instead. Given that the market collapsed as soon as we signed Huff (forcing LaRoche to take a much, much worse deal), yeah, there’s plenty we could have done. Also, with NJ, yeah can’t say I blame him for taking a comparable offer to play for the Yankees instead of us. If you’re going to sign someone the Yankees are after and you’re not much of a winning franchise….well, you should probably start by giving him a clearly better offer.
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by Missing Barry on Mar 26, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Hang on a second
This is the kind of stuff that makes Sabean’s job harder than people here seem to think.
He offered Laroche more than anyone else. Laroche wanted more. If Sabean had given in, he would have been ripped for “bidding against himself” like what happened with Zito.
With NJ, he made a fair offer and NJ chose the Yankees. Sabean going above what he felt was fair value just because he was competing against the Yankees would have been, IMO, foolhardy. This is Nick Johnson we’re talking about, not Mark Freakin’ Texiera. If he’d gone over value for NJ, I guarantee people here would be ripping him.
The minute you start adimitting that you have to pay more for guys (and are willing to do so) just because you’re the Giants, you’re screwed. No one will sign at a fair price knowing you’re willing to go higher. You’ll get less for your payroll dollar and the fans and media will think you’re an idiot for overpaying or just a wimp.
At some point you have to establish that you’re a fair negotiator but can’t be pushed around.. If it took “taking a stand” with NJ and Laroche, it’s not the end of the world.
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The minute you start adimitting that you have to pay more for guys (and are willing to do so) just because you’re the Giants, you’re screwed.
Of course, Sabean has done this repeatedly – he goes on at length about how hitters don’t want to play in San Francisco.
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Yes, but
it’s been in response to questions about why he didn’t sign this guy or that guy.
He hasn’t said, “Rowand really doesn’t want to be here, so we had to shell out extra big bucks to change his mind. At the end of the day, he still doesn’t want to be here, but we’re pretty happy to have overpaid for the services of a guy who wanted no part of us…at the end of the day.”
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If it took "taking a stand" with NJ and Laroche, it’s not the end of the world.
If you look at their respective deals and then what we’re paying for Aubrey freaking Huff, though, then you’ll realize just how stupid it was. Sabean shouldn’t have offered LaRoche that much to begin with. He should have waited LaRoche out. He shouldn’t have thought $3M to Huff was a good fallback option. If we’re talking about an individual deal here, I think you’re completely on target with your comments, but we’ve repeatedly seen Sabean play the market wrong, repeatedly seen him overpay on crap and outbid himself, repeatedly seen him sign inferior guys….given just how much evidence we have that Sabean doesn’t do any of this very well at all, no, I will not give him the benefit of the doubt, and yes, I will say he played it all wrong.
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by Missing Barry on Mar 26, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
We’ve also seen him repeatedly come up with dumpster dive gems and make sound decisions with players. Has he made more mistakes than he should have? Yes. Do we know how much Magowan influenced some of those decisions? No. Are there any GMs who make the right call every time? No.
We never know the whole story. For all we know, it went something like this:
Sabean: We’re really interested in having Laroche join the Giants
Laroche’s agent: That’s great, but we have some nice offers
Sabean Let’s cut to the chase. At the end of the day, what’s it gonna take to get him signed?
Laroche’s agent 3 years $60 million
Sabean Done! Just have your client sign here, here and here
Laroche’s agent Wait a second. You asked “What’s it gonna take to get him signed?”, not what’s it gonna take to get him signed with you. You’re gonna need to add a year and another $3M a year.
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We’ve also seen him repeatedly come up with dumpster dive gems and make sound decisions with players.
I don’t know about “repeatedly.” There have been a few here and there – Juan Uribe, Mark Gardner, and Scott Eyre come to mind, and I’m sure there are a few others here and there – but his Alex Sanchez-to-Juan Uribe ratio seems like it’s been pretty high. Particularly when it comes to hitters – he has, I will say, done a better job at finding el cheapo pitchers.
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Didn’t Marquis Grissom get like a three-year deal? That’s not exactly bargain bin.
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however
That reminds me of another good one Sabean got: Andres Galarraga.
Like I said, he’s found a few. But has he found more, or at a higher success rate, than Joe Average GM? I oubt it.
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Again, Durham was a not-insignificant multi-year deal.
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No, but
I said dumpster dives and sound decisions with players
Durham would qualify as the latter.
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fair enough
In that case, though, there are about a bazillion counterexamples. Actually, I’d say that signing veterans to moderate contracts has been one of the worst parts of Sabean’s tenure as GM. Neifi Perez, Michael Tucker, Dave Roberts, Edgardo Alfonzo (which I liked at the time, but if we’re talking about results…) – the list goes on.
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I don't disagree
My point was in response to Missing Barry, who made it sound like Sabean is incapable of doing anything right. I think taking all types of personnel decisions into account, Sabean is neither epically good nor epically bad.
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Yep
3 year deal. If my memory was any better I’d remember not to challenge your memory over mine.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Copied & pasted from one of my few Sabean defense comments
LaRoche: "Mr Sabean, I’ve re-considered and I’ll sign that 2 year $17 million contract"
Sabean: "Sorry son, the market is dried up for your services. We were thinking about one year, 5 million."
LaRoche: "What? I’m outraged. This is perposterous! You that that little 5 million dollars & shove it up your…"
click
Announcement on TV: "Giants have just signed Aubrey Huff to a one year contract."
LaRoche: "Shit."
Calls Diamondbacks
LaRoche: "Mr Byrnes, any chance I can get that 2 year contract we talked about?"
Byrnes: "Meh. I was thinking one year, 5 million."
LaRoche gulps. "I’ll take it."
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
We’ve also seen him repeatedly come up with dumpster dive gems and make sound decisions with players.
Yeah, I would hope the longest tenured GM in baseball could come up with a few gems and good decisisions every now and then. If you get the opportunity to make enough bad decisions, some of them will turn out good. Sample error and probability distributions make sure of that. The point is he didn’t try very hard to get good targets, gave us a terrible option instead, and there’s no good evidence that we couldn’t have gotten NJ or LaRoche for better deals than Aubrey Huff on $3M.
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by Missing Barry on Mar 26, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah…problem is that in dealing with this cost certainty, he basically locked himself into the absolute upper range of what Affedlt or Wilson would hope to get.
he basically locked himself into the absolute upper range of what Affedlt or Wilson would hope to get.
Eh, I dunno about that, Papelbon got a little more than $15M in his first two arb eligible years, and we’re talking about years 2 and 3 of arb for Wilson here…
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by Missing Barry on Mar 26, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah
I mentioned elsewhere that, going into those contracts, Papelbon was worth 5.2 WAR over the previous two seasons, compared to 3.0 for Wilson. Papelbon also had 0.92 and 1.85 ERAs (vs. 4.62 and 2.74) and 0.78 and 0.77 WHIPs (vs. 1.44 and 1.20).
I don’t see how Papelbon is a baseline for what Wilson would’ve gotten.
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wait, I think I'm looking at the wrong two years for Papelbon
The point remains: Papelbon’s numbers are, indeed, a lot shinier.
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They’re a baseline for what a good closer should expect to get, and with Wilson, it’s ok that Papelbon’s numbers are shinier, because Wilson will be farther into his arb years. Those offset each other to some degree.
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by Missing Barry on Mar 26, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
No
Papelbon isn’t “a good closer”. He’s one of the 2 or 3 best in the league. Wilson may get saves, but he’s not the pitcher papelbon is. They aren’t comparable.
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by bondslegend on Mar 26, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Again, we’re talking arb process here. It’s not a very accurate depiction of reality. If one closer gets a lot of money, that’s precedent for other closers to go after it. And don’t discount saves, again, we’re talking arbitration.
They’re a baseline for what a good closer should expect to get, and with Wilson, it’s ok that Papelbon’s numbers are shinier, because Wilson will be farther into his arb years. Those offset each other to some degree.
I fully stand by every aspect of this statement.
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by Missing Barry on Mar 26, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I still don't agree
sure, they look at saves, but they look at things like ERA and WHIP too, and wilson is miles worse than papelbon in those categories.
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by bondslegend on Mar 26, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
it’s ok that Papelbon’s numbers are shinier, because Wilson will be farther into his arb years. Those offset each other to some degree.
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by Missing Barry on Mar 26, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
"to some degree"
OK, fine, but they still don’t deserve the same amount! You can keep saying that over and over again, but Wilson is just simply not as good- in ANY metric. He does not deserve the same pay, and he probably wouldn’t have gotten it.
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by bondslegend on Mar 26, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
I only said “to some degree” because I don’t know how much they offset each other exactly. What I can tell you is that, on average, first to second year arbitration raises are around 50% raises, so $9M for Wilson is equivalent to about $6M for Papelbon (because we’re talking about Papelbon’s 1-2 years and Wilsons 2-3 years of arb eligibility).
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by Missing Barry on Mar 26, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
The arb process works off precedent. I’m not saying Wilson = Papelbon and will get Papelbon money. I’m saying Papelbon has established a precedent that closers get paid well, Wilson can point to it, point to his stats, points to his being farther along in arb, and easily have a case for $15M+ over two years.
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by Missing Barry on Mar 26, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I seriously doubt that
he can point to it, sure. But I really doubt he’d get it.
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by bondslegend on Mar 26, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Didn't our group think decide closer ERAs are almost worthless?
Especially if they’re brought in with inherited runners?
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What we think about the value of closer ERAs has little or no effect on what the arbitration process thinks about their value.
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by bondslegend on Mar 26, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Very interesting
It’s certainly a perspective I hadn’t considered, and in a way Sabes has seemed more like he’s trying to make this a building year when the rest of us are ready for a winning year. You shed some good light on that subject.
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I see this theory but I think you miss the most likely end game in it. He makes a lot more Fred Sanchez type trades trying to “shore up” the 2010 squad. If he is still arround for 2011 ( we could only get so lucky) the weakened system makes it “harder to get anything of value” in 2011 season and to more is moved in Fred Sanchez trades. You can contect the dots from there.
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I agreed with Giant Pain right up until his last sentence. More GM’s and managers are fired with one year left on their deals than at the end of their contracts. I know the Giants’ have been different in this regard, but that was with Magowan in charge, not Neukom. If I’m Sabean, I’m trying really hard to win in 2010, because I might not be here in 2011. With another year of running the team under Neukom’s belt this year, he might be able to take a more educated look at the person in the GM’s chair and decide that he’s not the right man for the job any longer.
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The Giants won’t ever fire Sabean. In fact, the Giants under this regime since 93’ haven’t really “fired” anybody. They let people go after their contracts run out and then move them upstairs into a front-office role. Well except for Dusty.
They’ve fired some coaches. One reason why Barry wanted a trade after 1996 is because the Giants shitcanned his father.
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But hitting coaches and people like that really don’t matter do they? GM’s and manager’s haven’t been fired.
And given how much Sabean has done for this team I find it hard to believe he would ever be fired. He’s been here the whole time since the new ownership group headed by Magowan took over. He helped make them a contender and reach a World Series and they gave him the reigns to develop the farm system the past few years, which he’s done. It’s not like he’s alone in making these stupid decisions over and over and over again. He does have people who sign his checks.
He’ll eventually just step away or “retire” and probably join the ownership/upper management.
I don't disagree with your point
I’m just saying that that’s about the highest level of people who’ve been fired in the last eon or so.
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He’s been here the whole time since the new ownership group headed by Magowan took over
I don’t think this is true?
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by Missing Barry on Mar 26, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Meh, the contract was pretty fair, but why tie so much money into our bullpen when we desperately need it in our lineup? What’s the real point of agreeing to this extension now? I’m all for trading Wilson, our bullpen is good enough without him and we need positional talent, and to get talent you have to give up talent….given Wilson’s cost, yeah, let’s go ahead and do that.
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I’m not sure Wilson’s trade value goes up or down because of this extension. He can still be traded.
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I’m saying he should have been traded. I imagine his trade value is still roughly the same.
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by Missing Barry on Mar 26, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
But now he’s actually being paid closer in line to what he’d earn on the free market…how does that make him more tradeable?
Not more tradeable
about the same. He’d be earning similar money in arb. (Yes, not if he collapses.)
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Because he’s in line to earn that money regardless. It’s not like you can trade him to some other team and then they can decide when he’s under team control in 2011 and eligible for arbitration that they’re gonna pay him the minimum. His trade value before included the knowledge that he’d get paid closer to market value in 2011+2012.
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by Missing Barry on Mar 26, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I’d like to see another few months of Romo dominating and Runzler lower his walk rate before trading Wilson.
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Not me. We’re paying Affeldt so we’re good!
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by Missing Barry on Mar 26, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL, you realize this is Brian Sabean is the GM. I don’t think anything he does makes sense. He just simply gets lucky once in awhile (after all, he has been a GM for 15 years). Did he honestly think players like Uribe would turn in career years, when he signs them to minor-league deals?
No, but he tries to trade Freddy Lewis, and demote Posey and Bowker for 17 million combined on Huff, SuckMolina, and DeRosa?
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Injuries? 33, 23 and 31 innings pitched in the last three years…
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by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 26, 2010 10:39 AM PDT reply actions
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I don't know about that, to the groin.
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I am pretty "meh about this
But am pretty upset at the idea of taking Posey with the big club and sitting him on the bench.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 26, 2010 10:47 AM PDT reply actions
If he makes the big club and doesn't sit on the bench
playing 2 games a week at C and 2 at 1B/LF, I’m ok with it.
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Why waste a year of control of Posey so he can play 1B and LF, and still only have a part time role?
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by Missing Barry on Mar 26, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
especially when the whole objection to him being our starting catcher is that he doesn't have enough experience catching
If that’s true, he should be catching every day in the minors.
If that’s not true, he should be catching every day in the majors.
It’s kind of an either/or proposition for me.
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by jcb9 on Mar 26, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Agreed.
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by Missing Barry on Mar 26, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Again
this team can’t do anything right.
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by bondslegend on Mar 26, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
yep… i’ve gotten to the point now where i question every single move the giants make
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I agree with this, but
Two reasons I’d be ok with this:
Reason #1
want that bat in the lineup every day. Catching two starters a week and playing the field the remainder of the time would mean getting even more ABs out of him than if he was the every day catcher.
Reason #2
Proving his bat is MLB ready while proving that he can handle mlb pitchers will go a much longer way toward expediting Molina’s journey to the trading bloack and/or backup C.
I tend to be an optimist and I think this team has a very legit shot at the division provided the get the right bats in the lineup every day. Posey’s bat could be the difference…arb clock be damned.
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this, if I didn’t think Posey’s bat could be the difference I would want him in Fresno, but I think with the pitching we have every bit of offense counts.
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In addition to my belief that Fresno is the place for the Brasz to watch him play every day, evaluate his D and work with him on his fundamentals and habits (if necessary), I look at bringing him up for the second half as the ‘move’ that will allow Sabean to not trade away young talent for veteran mediocrity.
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by Johnny Disaster on Mar 26, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
want that bat in the lineup every day
I want Posey + 1B bat in the lineup every day rather than Posey + C. That’s why it doesn’t make sense. Posey’s value is because he’s a C.
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by Missing Barry on Mar 26, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
To quote a wise and incredibly good-looking man...
Proving his bat is MLB ready while proving that he can handle mlb pitchers will go a much longer way toward expediting Molina’s journey to the trading bloack and/or backup C.
I think Posey catching twice a week and playing the field the rest of the time gets him to catching full-time more quickly than going back to Fresno does.
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I guess that makes a good deal of sense
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But nobody is doubting that his bat is MLB ready – the scouts, writers, and stats all agree that it is.
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Exactly. The (unjustified, in my opinion) criticism is that his defense wasn’t ready because he hasn’t caught enough. Playing him at other positions instead of catching full time in Fresno does nothing to solve that problem.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 26, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Proving his bat is more valuable than Molina's
while proving he can handle the position two days a week does.
If Bochy watches Buster out-hit Molina and play defense at least as good as Bengie, he’ll really have no choice but to make Posey the starting C.
I think it’s about Buster proving his a big-league player more than any one individual thing.
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So if Buster proves his bat in the MLB what makes you think Bochy gives up his main objection to buster- His glove work is not good enough behind the plate?
And If Buster proves his bat what makes you think the first 75 PA stretch when he struggles after Flag Day he does not get the Lewis/Frandsen treatment and the Damon Bruce lead echo chamber of “he had his chance” begins rumbling?
Both those point need to be cogently and validly addressed before I come over to your camp. Tell then I pitch my tent in the Buster must play every day ( not every other day) and save the arbitration year camp.
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Like I said...
…in my plan, he’s catching a couple days a week. That gives him chance he can hold his own behind the dish. Luckily for him, the “bengie bar” isn’t set very high as far as the defense he needs to match.
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it is not the bengie’s d the Buster would need to match but Bochy’s vision. let us no confuse the two.
The other thing is Buster playing only half the games between multiple spots isservice time is a waste. If Buster is playing more games away from catcher then behind the dish then we better hope Molinia repeatedly kicks Big Head dog were Bulder skull sees him.
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by daveinexile on Mar 29, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree that's Bochy that needs convincing
Which is why I’d like him to see Buster at the plate and behind the plate. I think it would alleviate the impression in Bochy’s mind that he’s a “minor leaguer” as well as remove the excuse of “Yeah, but can he do it in the big leagues?”
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Proving his bat is more valuable than Molina's
That’s like using him mostly as a pinch-runner for a month, to prove that he’s faster than Molina.
You’re wasting talent and money to prove something there’s no reason to doubt.
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but the team is run by people who don’t think that it’s true
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by bondslegend on Mar 27, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, I don’t think this is true. Everybody thinks he’s a good hitter. The only question is his defense.
And, anyway, if he hits well while playing mostly 1B and corner OF, they’ll probably just move him to LF. Who do you think they are more likely to bench – Bowker/Schierholtz or Molina?
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I'm picturing him catching a couple days a week
So, he’d be playing as much C as 1B or LF.
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One of those two things.
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by Johnny Disaster on Mar 26, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
If Posey starts the season on the roster, it’ll prove that this GM truly doesn’t have a clue about what he’s doing.
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We need whatever hitting we can get.
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Here’s the thing. Molina is not part of the solution to this problem. Not in any way. He’s one of the very worst regulars in all of baseball when it comes to baseball. There’s a good chance his OBP is below .300 . . . again. In the past three seasons, his OPS has been in the .730 to .760 range every year. On the other hand, Huff has fallen in that range once, been below that range once, and been way above that range once. If forced to choose, Huff is the one of the two that could improve this offense. The improvement would be even more dramatic if Posey replaced Molina behind the plate. Having Posey replace Huff makes no sense.
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I agree, thats why i said, i want Posey’s bat in the lineup, any way possible whether it be catcher, first, or left field, because he most likely is a better hitter/fielder than any options we have there, besides Lewis/Bowker in left (and they won’t play much)
And yes, i completely agree, that Bengie is a terrible player, but we can’t change Sabean’s mistake now. Get him 2 days a week at catcher, and two or three at first and outfield. Does that sound reasonable?
Nellie needs to go! but while we suffer....John Wall or Evan Turner please!
ugh
that would be the worst scenario, outside of him being in the majors and riding the pine.
So, as a Giants fan, I expect it to happen
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
The fact I could be watching a line up with 2 ( if not all 3) of Lewis, Nate and Bowker, Panda at third and Buster behind the dish will Cain, Tim, or Dirty take the hill just makes me so mad when I realize it will be DeRosa, Molinia Velez and Huff along side Panda more often and maybe one of Lewis, Nate, Bowker or Posey. Way to take a fine steak dinner and turn it into something even the dog shies away from.
Threat level that the 2010 Pads finish with more wins than the 2010 Giants is currently at - 25%
I’m not
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by cornball on Mar 26, 2010 12:14 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Anagram of "ineffective tub of rendered lipids"
FORBIDDEN, INFECTED EVIL PUTREFIES
Ah, Benitez. Gone but not forgotten.
Anagram of "Edgar Renteria" = IRATE NERD RAGE
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Mar 26, 2010 10:49 AM PDT reply actions
Nope.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 26, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Rejinxify the exterior.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Mar 26, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
You guys are missing the best news of the day!
Bowker playing RF and batting 3rd
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Johnny can start???
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 26, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes
But Charlie still don’t surf.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 26, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Yay!
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Mar 26, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I sit corrected!
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Mar 26, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Sometimes I like what ST statistics can do.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
SSS victory!
"Richmond, VA. For when West Virginia is too classy"
by Missing Barry on Mar 26, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
annnd, he’s out… replaced by torres
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
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by ringleader3 on Mar 26, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Hmmm. That didn’t take long. Did he at least get 7 RBIs while he was in?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 26, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I stand and deliver a stream!
Of invective!
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by victor frankenstein on Mar 26, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Can’t get that worked up about this. Did we get a bargain? No. Did we just assume serious risk? Yes. Does Sabean’s worship at the altar of cost certainty bother me? Yes. But at least Wilson is a good young player. In light of the Rowand, Zito, Sanchez and Molina contracts, this falls way down the list of things that piss me off.
Hector Sanchez: Underrated. Fighting body bias since the 2009 off season. I still love you, son, even if you're fat.
in case this hasn't been posted elsewhere
Darren Ford optioned to Richmond, Peguero optioned to Augusta, Jesus Guzman and Tony Pena Jr. reassigned to the minor league camp.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
definitely wanted Ford to go to Fresno. Who’s the starting CF for the Grizzlies? Marvin Benard?
Dumped Edgar Renteria and adopted Buster Posey. Biggest upgrade since George Jefferson moved up to a deluxe apartment on the east side!
McBryde, maybe?
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
No reason for him to be blocking anyone at this point.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
You could have said that two years ago, too, and yet there he was.
Adoptive parent of Kevin "The Stopgap" Frandsen.
I think it'll be McBryde
Adopted Giant: Mike Krukow.
Grab Some Pine, Meat
Kevin Frandsen: Better than any SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
by Gobroks on Mar 26, 2010 11:10 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Well
I really like Brian Wilson, it’s nice to have a bonafide closer that I feel moderately safe with. Nen is still my favorite Giant, and although Wilson isn’t Nen, he’s kinda close. The Dr. Skipper to my Dr. Pepper.
This deal has no upside, especially with a lot of bullpen depth we have.
Maybe it was done so Sabean has the cost certainty to make trades or get FA’s next year? That makes me feel better. I think the reason Sabean makes bad trades and bad signings isn’t the fact that he’s terrible at it, he’s just too focused on other things. When Grandma starts petting the vacuum cleaner and running into screen doors you stop her from driving and get her eyes checked, you don’t cover her house and envelop her car in bubble wrap.
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I really like Brian Wilson too, but I’m not sure “moderately safe” is how I feel when he comes into the game. If moderately safe means quivering under the couch afraid to look at the TV, then I guess you’re correct.
Dumped Edgar Renteria and adopted Buster Posey. Biggest upgrade since George Jefferson moved up to a deluxe apartment on the east side!
Maybe it's relative
after going through Herges and Benitez.
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by Giant Voodoo on Mar 26, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I really like Brian Wilson the closer. I can’t say I’m a huge fan of Brian Wilson the off the field baseball player, though. I’ve faced reality….Wilson is kind of a douche (I still root for him though!)….
"Richmond, VA. For when West Virginia is too classy"
by Missing Barry on Mar 26, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Totally agree
He is a douche. Omar Samhan is a douche and I hate him but it doesn’t mean i wont be cheering my ass off when he’s scoring tonight against Baylor
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by Giant Voodoo on Mar 26, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Ha, very accurate comparison.
"Richmond, VA. For when West Virginia is too classy"
by Missing Barry on Mar 26, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I just read your tag, wow. Thanks for making me laugh at work jerk! Isn’t there a tooth limit in WV?
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by Giant Voodoo on Mar 26, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ll just call it an inside joke.
"Richmond, VA. For when West Virginia is too classy"
by Missing Barry on Mar 26, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL SAMHAN
he seems cool to me
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I actually like Dr. Skipper better but I get what you’re saying
in the best shape of my life
by Prussian Creole on Mar 26, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm okay with this.
There’s a lot of value in having a truly dominant reliever, and it would appear that Wilson has evolved into that. In fact, he has looked nastier this spring than he ever did during the regular season last season. His non-FB pitches have both looked excellent. It’s too early to draw irrefutable conclusions (and is that ever possible with pitchers?), but Wilson strikes me as a good bet.
I also believe that Cain will remain a Giant for many more years…
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I’d like to see them sign Cain to an extension… maybe after this season though.
Wilson’s stats were just as impressive last spring… lol
I didn’t mention his stats…
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
unfortunatelty
I see Cain getting traded because of all the money Sabean is spending already. With Zito, Rowand and Lincecum still needing to be paid, and Sandoval arbitration eligible after 2011 I just don’t think there’s enough room in the budget for Cain(or for any other significant improvements the team may need a couple of years from now.)
by NateEveryday on Mar 26, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe they are locking him down for a team that is interested in trading for him? I don’t know how arbitration works if a guy gets traded, does he lose the arbitration and become a free agent after the season is over? After seeing guys like Runzler pitch this spring, maybe Sabean feels we have enough depth in the pen to replace Wilson?
The other team just assumes all the control/cost responsibilities on Wilson that the Giants would have had. So nothing changes for them.
"Richmond, VA. For when West Virginia is too classy"
by Missing Barry on Mar 26, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I really, really, really don’t understand this notion that, because Sabean just signed Wilson to a multi-year extension, that somehow means Sabean wants to trade him. This makes no sense at all to me.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
this
when I mentioned the deal to a coworker, this was the first thing he said. I don’t get it.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
It just means that I wasn’t sure if a trade affected arbitration eligibility… it doesn’t, so you’re right, it would make no sense.
What I meant was, IF a player loses their arbitration eligibility by being traded. maybe a team wouldn’t want to trade for a player, in fear that they would not be able to re-sign him… but it’s a moot point now.
Yea… i’m not even sure where to begin with this, i’m not someone here that likes to talk about the money of the players, i just talk about the game itself and just analyze em. I just don’t understand why they did it in the first place, like everyone else here….
Also OT: About my hearing which was this morning, i was found not responsible, hence i am free, staying in school, now i have to worry about what the department of education for the US will do to my Dad, and how they’re going to handle it, he faces up to 18 months in jail if he’s convicted, so he has an attorney, so we’ll see.
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
i should add, the only reason i don’t worry about the money aspect is due to the fact that i couldn’t care less about it, the only thing i care about is the product on the field, not about the money or any of that shit
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Money has a lot to do with the product on the field.
by chilibean_3 on Mar 26, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
(also, congrats on the hearing and good luck to your dad)
by chilibean_3 on Mar 26, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
The only time I care about the money aspect is when we are “over paying” for players who aren’t helping the team win, like Zito and Rowand… and I really don’t care too much about how much they themselves get paid, but when it comes down to being able to sign a free agent, or being able to retain the players we currently have.
So it’s not really how much money they make, it’s the fact that if they don’t produce enough to justify their huge contracts, if limits the Giants ability to sign someone else that can produce better results, and there for give the team a better product on the field.
For sure, that’s an exuberant amount of money with Zito, that’s the only time, i think we wouldn’t know if it’s a bad deal unless we see how they play during the season
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Interesting. I seem to have learned a new definition (new to me) for the word exuberant thanks to you.
And I was all ready to Princess Bride your ass and everything.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 26, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL, yea, i thought i’d throw a word in there that i’ve rarely ever used in my life
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Are you sure you didn’t mean to use exorbitant?
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Mar 26, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
You should claim it was a reference to Alan Greenspan’s use of the phrase “irrational exuberance.” ’Cause that contract was nothing if not irrational.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Exacerbant.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Mar 26, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Congrats on school. Good luck to pops. “Up to 18 months” sounds like it should just be a slap on the wrist if he admits what he did & pleads ignorance of any illegal intent.
/am no way a lawyer or knowledgeable about law… things.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Your father has a lawyer and should therefore listen to him (I’m late to this conversation as I was just scrolling through the interesting discussion without contributing), but I am a lawyer elsewhere (please do not consider this legal advice, however, as it is not) and the lack of intent may mean your father is innocent entirely.
So hopefully things work out all around now.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 26, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I said “may mean” because I do not know enough about this area of law to say anything decisive. Anyway, I hate it when I type what seems like legal advice online, because it’s not. Don’t trust me, I’m a lawyer who spends part of his day on a Giants’ blog.
I've given up on adding to my Giants family and am coming to grips with remaining childless.
by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 26, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
If you don’t mind me asking, what happened?
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
quickly… Dad forged papers apparently to give me more of a loan for school, the signature he forged was my deceased moms, and he really didn’t know what he was doing in the first place, so i can understand he made a mistake, so the school assigned me a hearing, and i skipped it because i thought it pertained to a code one i got 2 years ago, anyway, they then kicked me out of school, i appealed, hearing was today, and i won
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
good fer you dude! Nice to hear it
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Thanks to roger
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I care about money because every time they make an awful signing that they try to hype up as a great move (ie Rowand, Zito, Benitez etc) they use that as an excuse to raise ticket prices and food prices up the wazoo. Which is probably why I have gone to from going to about half the home games a year when the park opened in 2000, when it was actually affordable to get seats in AAA club and enjoy all the fantastic food choices, and now maybe catch a 4 or 5 games a year.
Good news for you, good luck for your dad.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Mar 26, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Good for you, man. And good luck to your dad.
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner
by walkoff baltimore chop on Mar 26, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m mildly happy with this, although I’m a tad optimistic on Wilson’s future. He was an elite closer last year, and if that curve can be a league average pitch I think he can be very, very good. Even 8.5 million good.
Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me.
It’s possible he’ll be worth the contract, yes.
It’s just as likely, though, that his arm falls off tomorrow or he turns into Armando Benitez.
Which is why, unless he accepted a steep discount in exchange for job security, I would’ve rather gone year-to-year with him.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I’m not sure it would be just as likely, although I see your point. I probably would have preferred year-to-year with him too, but he’s a guy who has been top 3 in the NL in saves the past two years, maintains a healthy body, right side of 30, and comes back to ST with a new pitch. I’m not saying this is a good move, although it has the potential to be one. I just wouldn’t file it as a bad move, which people already have, although it has the potential to be one.
Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me.
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Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me.
by atxgiantsfan on Mar 26, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Is no one going to admit the only reason they’re focusing on the supposed likelihood of Wilson falling apart is that they actually don’t like him? Fuck. Grant pointed out the hypocrisy regarding spring training stats yesterday/the other day and this conversation reeks of it again. If this was Romo signed to the exact same deal and time there would be a lot more yays and good vibes about it.
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
tell us how you really feel..
kidding, I agree with this, for some reason I’ve never been as annoyed with Wilson like so many people have been apparently
Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me.
by atxgiantsfan on Mar 26, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
If this was Romo signed to the exact same deal and
That would be fucking awful.
by chilibean_3 on Mar 26, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I kinda like him.
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I don’t want to have him over for dinner, but I do enjoy having a crazy bastard for a closer. I also like the fact that he is working on secondary pitches.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Mar 26, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
“Baseball is why I’m not in jail” – Brian Wilson
Overheard while doing calisthenics before the 3 inning ST game earlier this year.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Mar 26, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah. He’d be out on probation.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Mar 26, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
You kind of need a douchy kind of guy as your closer. Look at the Red Sox.
The Giants offseason moves - "meh"
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum, who could do whatever he wants to do.
I don't think he's douchy
I think he’s the type of guy who doesn’t give a shit about being “a nice guy”. He seems to do what amuses himself and doesn’t seems to care whether others are amused. In a way it makes him an a-hole, but in a way it’s also refreshing when so many players are either awkward or always act like their auditioning for a post-career job in broadcasting.
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
Is no one going to admit the only reason they’re focusing on the supposed likelihood of Wilson falling apart is that they actually don’t like him?
I worry about all relief pitchers in general who are gettings lots of money and/or signed for a long time. :(
"Richmond, VA. For when West Virginia is too classy"
by Missing Barry on Mar 26, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I actually have grown to like Wilson – I just think this seems unnecessary. And I’d be pissed as hell if they signed Romo to this deal. I love the guy, but he’s done jackshit to deserve a deal like this at this point.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
lol
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Thanks to roger
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you were joking, right?
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Thanks to roger
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If Romo were signed to this deal I would declare that the stupidest move of the off-season.
I was promised lasagna.
+1
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by bondslegend on Mar 27, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
O/T Bowkermania
Schulman’s Twitter Feed:
Bowker is OK. Angels switched in a LH starter and Bochy wants Torres to get some RH at-bats. Bowkerwill play in the game.
LOL at 22Gigantes speculating that Bowker was getting traded because of the switch.
BOWKER ON TRADING BLOCK
thanks internetz!
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by Giant Voodoo on Mar 26, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
y'know
Considering all the terrible decisions the Giants make based on spring training stats, I wish they’d make two good decisions: start the season with Bowker and Fred Lewis in the lineup.
I know: it’ll never, ever happen.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Please
CF Rownad
LF Lewis
3B Panda
RF Bowker
1B Huff
2B DeRosa
C Posey
SS Renteria
"Man, you just can't beat a good bowl of gumbo." ~ William Nuschler Clark
There sure is a ton of clank in that lineup, though.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
not really
Rowand – about average, slightly below
Lewis – above average
Panda – below average
Bowker – not a ton of data, but what we have says averageish
Huff – Whoops
DeRosa – below average
Posey – ???
Rent – average
Not good, by any means, but not spectacularly awful either
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LOLEWIS ABOVE AVERAGE
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LOL ABOVE AVERAGE AT DROPPING ROUTINE FLIES AMIRITE!?
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
IKR
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
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naah
in a perfect world :
CF Lewis
C Posey
3B Sandoval
LF Bowker
1B Garko
2B Uribe
RF Schierholtz
SS Renteria
If only the Giants had not:
Signed Sanchez, Huff, Molina, and DeRosa to ridiculous deals this off-season instead of giving our cheaper (and better) those AB’s….
Wow, the more i analyze the giant’s off-season, the more i realize how terrible it was.
Nellie needs to go! but while we suffer....John Wall or Evan Turner please!
Thats your perfect world?!?
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 26, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Its the best i could think of with our resources at the end of last season. You have any suggestions/ridicules of that lineup compared to the one we see right now?
Nellie needs to go! but while we suffer....John Wall or Evan Turner please!
Well in a perfect world:
C- Joe Mauer
1B- Pujols
2B- Utley
3B- Pablo
SS- Hanley
RF – J Upton
CF- Sizemore? Ellsbury? whatever
LF – Ryan Braun
SP- Lincecum
SP- King Felix
SP – Zach Greinke
SP – Roy Halladay
SP – Matt Cain
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 26, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
No offense
I would rather have Zimmerman at 3b. I know. I’m sorry. But he’s a better all around player.
My Son was the third most valuable Giant position player by WAR in 2009. A little sad, a little happy.
Id say Pablos a better hitter. His OPS was .943 compared to Zimm’s .889. Zimm did have more HRs however. Even when you factor in defense, Id say its pretty darn close.
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Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 26, 2010 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Longoria?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
Yeah, hes better. But, if we had all that other offense, I would rather have Pablo.
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 26, 2010 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions
GDIAF
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well for one
Lewis in CF would be bad.
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I have a bridge to sell you, Sir.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 26, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I hate that guy… And his “fans”
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
I can’t stand him.
FREE BUSTER POSEY
But on the other hand, can Buster Posey match Bengie Molina's spring training heroics? It's debatable.
His opinions are pretty funny, though!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
hankschulman Giants trade Frandsen to Red Sox for PTBNL or cash.
FREE BUSTER POSEY
But on the other hand, can Buster Posey match Bengie Molina's spring training heroics? It's debatable.
or a sock full of 'em
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Charles Bronson approves!
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Mar 26, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
it’s going to be a good night at the strip club
Honorary parent of Duane Kuiper, beloved broadcaster and power hitting coach for the Giants.
by Giant Voodoo on Mar 26, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Okay, then.
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner
by walkoff baltimore chop on Mar 26, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Back up for Pedroia?
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
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I heard they were looking for a backup middle infielder. Looking at their roster though, I don’t really see why. They have Lawrie, Scutaro and Pedroia up the middle with Bill Hall to back up at third.
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
For Frandsen you would think going from the Giants to that would be like winning the Lottery.
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
#2 in Fanshots
+1
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
Frandsen has an option. He could simply be stashed in Pawtucket.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
We needed the 40 man spot for Wellemeyer too, I’m assuming. Which is why we couldn’t stash him in Fresno
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
I thought they cleared one when Johnson went back to Baltimore (twss)?
FREE BUSTER POSEY
But on the other hand, can Buster Posey match Bengie Molina's spring training heroics? It's debatable.
Good point, It would appear we now have 4 open spots?
Who else would need a 40 man spot? Maybe Mota / Casilla?
If this is the case, why not send Frandsen down, hope he rakes it and then trade him when his value is possibly higher?
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
That’s not the Giants Way.
FREE BUSTER POSEY
But on the other hand, can Buster Posey match Bengie Molina's spring training heroics? It's debatable.
Kevin is actually friends with Pedroia. Frandsen said Pedroia called him even before Bochy told the players he was traded. And he will be living with Pedroia and his wife.
The Giants offseason moves - "meh"
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum, who could do whatever he wants to do.
Well that’s good. Being a Bay Area kid I’m sure there’s a culture shock factor. Not as bad as if he’d been traded to Cincy or something, but still, the dude’s probably in shock.
I hope he gets a chance to actually play.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Mar 26, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
extrabaggs Lots of fond farewells and parting shots for Kevin Frandsen. Edgar Renteria: “You were traded for cash? That means you suck!”
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner
by walkoff baltimore chop on Mar 26, 2010 12:40 PM PDT reply actions
Wow
I know he was probably kidding, but holy shit. Talk about missing irony there. (I know it’s not really irony, but whatever)
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
Oh jeez.
extrabaggs Giants will take Buster Posey to SF for final exh. games. GM Brian Sabean said he’s decided where Posey will start but is keeping mum 4 now.
FREE BUSTER POSEY
But on the other hand, can Buster Posey match Bengie Molina's spring training heroics? It's debatable.
Good gravy.
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner
by walkoff baltimore chop on Mar 26, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
WTF does that mean?
Does he mean position or destination?
"Man, you just can't beat a good bowl of gumbo." ~ William Nuschler Clark
He will start in the bullpen.
FREE BUSTER POSEY
But on the other hand, can Buster Posey match Bengie Molina's spring training heroics? It's debatable.
Well
The Red Sox DID draft him as a pitcher out of high school (in the 50th round).
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
That makes sense. He’s hoping for the next Joe Nathan.
"Man, you just can't beat a good bowl of gumbo." ~ William Nuschler Clark
*blushes*
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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Why play games Sabean? What’s the point? You’ve decided, you obviously want people to know you’ve decided, yet you won’t tell the fanbase straight up? I wish you the worst possible case of eye herpes Sabean, I really do.
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Because the decision may affect other roster moves and possible trades?
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
I see no purpose in him being coy.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
/waits for someone to do that strikethrough thing with the word “coy”.
"Man, you just can't beat a good bowl of gumbo." ~ William Nuschler Clark
He seems to believe in spreading a lot of chaff in the media.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Mar 26, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
like this?
I see no purpose in him being coy.
If you don't like Brandon Medders you're not a true fan.
since I ragged on FishStripes earlier...
It looks like Over the Monster, the SBN Red Sox site, is surprisingly ghost town-ish.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
They're all up on the Sons of Sam Horn message board
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
ZOMG
From Schulman’s twitter
Announcement on Affeldt/Wilson extensions still delayed. My speculation: Cain is next, maybe sooner rather than later.
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
/gives Zito 4 year extension
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Mar 26, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
/flagged
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Mar 26, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I would love that so fucking much
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
This could be the most eventful week ever
- Affeldt extended
- Wilson extended
- Frandsen dealt
- Bowker might start in RF
- Posey might make the big team
- Cain might be extened
- Lewis might be traded
HOW AM I SUPPSED TO GET ANY WORK DONE DAMN IT???!!!
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
I really hope Fred isnt traded.
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 26, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
incidentally
Did y’all see that Bobby Cox announced Jason Heyward will be starting in RF for the Braves?
WCW WAS RIGHT!!!!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Glad I took him in Grants cbs league last night!
Bad choices: I took 12 Giants in the NL only 12-team draft. Including Hinshaw, Downs and Romo
I’m so gonna win that thing.
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Giants taken:
Molina, Huff, Sandoval, Downs, Wilson, Hinshaw, Romo, Zito, Wellemeyer, DeRosa, Rowand, Uribe
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
I punted saves
shouldn’t have even taken Hoffman. RPs are lame
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
And Posey!
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 26, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
You’re in this thing!
FREE BUSTER POSEY
But on the other hand, can Buster Posey match Bengie Molina's spring training heroics? It's debatable.
Thar be magic in that lineup matey!
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
It's magic when we're in this thing!
Honorary parent of Duane Kuiper, beloved broadcaster and power hitting coach for the Giants.
by Giant Voodoo on Mar 26, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
My only Giant this year: Matt Cain.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I got timmy in one auction
other than that..I have no giants :/. I’ll pick up posey if he ever gets to start at catcher
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
Mine:
Some guy named Pedro Sandoval or something.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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I wish I had him :/
got him in another league
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
Nice to see a franchise actually play its top prospect despite a lack of experience.
FREE BUSTER POSEY
But on the other hand, can Buster Posey match Bengie Molina's spring training heroics? It's debatable.
no fucking kidding
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
You're wrong
he should start at 1B and learn OF on the major league level. The grass is different in the bigs.
Honorary parent of Duane Kuiper, beloved broadcaster and power hitting coach for the Giants.
by Giant Voodoo on Mar 26, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
How are his game calling abilities?
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Mar 26, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
YEAH BABY!
I’ve got him in a league. I’m totally excited about the guy
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
Hey, so, there’s no gameday thread up.
Of course, my connection is so shitty right now I can’t even stay connected to Gameday Audio. Woe.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Apparently aaron rowand is a good hitter now
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
A double, then almost thrown out at third.
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
#2 in Fanshots
Yeah
but he keeps hitting
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
Keeping Wison and Affeldt
and dumping Cain is pretty much the worst idea in the history of ideas.
I mean, that cannot be the plan, can it?
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I really doubt that's the plan
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
So im leaving for a two week vacation to Chile and Argentina tomorrow to meet up with my sister who is studying abroad. So……..bye.
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 26, 2010 3:22 PM PDT reply actions
Which broad is she studying?
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 26, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Several
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 26, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Can I study
Umm, nvm?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
Has she stopped being so Kate?
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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A little. She went to Cal and lightened up a bit.
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 26, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
As long as you don’t have a pick to make in the adoption thread, I’ll allow it.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Mar 26, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Already chose Bam Bam
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 26, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Well then, enjoy your trip.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Mar 26, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Legal drinking age in both countries is 18.
You’re a few months too young.
The Giants offseason moves - "meh"
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum, who could do whatever he wants to do.
Damn. I need to go to…Germany? Ireland maybe? anywhere?
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 26, 2010 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Copied from a legal drinking age website that I googled. First group has no minimum, second is 16.
* Albania
* Armenia
* Azerbaijan
* Comoros
* Equatorial Guinea
* Fiji
* Gabon
* Ghana
* Guinea-Bissau
* Jamaica
* Kyrgyuzstan
* Morocco
* Solomon Islands*
* Swaziland*
* Togo
* Tonga
* Viet Nam
* Antigua
* Barbados
* Belgium
* Georgia
* Germany
* Greece*
* Luxembourg
* Malta
* Norway*
* Poland
* Portugal
* Spain (16 in Asturias)
The Giants offseason moves - "meh"
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum, who could do whatever he wants to do.
Ive always wanted to go to Spain. Swaziland too.
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 26, 2010 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions
now to, cross-reference this list
with the “age of consent” list…
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Dude Lost finally makes some sense!
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 26, 2010 4:33 PM PDT reply actions
Uhh...well sorta i guess
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
Well they explained what the island is at least.
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 26, 2010 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions
They did?...
guess I missed that part. We had pretty strong whisky cokes while we were watching though, so maybe I just don’t remember. IDK.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
OT
CBS stuck with St. Marys-Baylor way too long. Close game with Tenn-Ohio St. and they stuck with a 30 point lead by Baylor.
The Giants offseason moves - "meh"
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum, who could do whatever he wants to do.
I think there's a rule that they have to stay with the local game
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
I doubt too many people in the Bay Area wanted to continue to watch it down 30.
The Giants offseason moves - "meh"
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum, who could do whatever he wants to do.
Probably not
but, again, I think there’s probably rules involved.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
I understand people in Waco, TX wanting to watch this but we wanted out earlier. To hell with rules.
The Giants offseason moves - "meh"
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum, who could do whatever he wants to do.
There's a thing called the internet that has the other games for free
if the affiliate HAS to show the local team for a certain amount of time (call it the heidi game rule), then their hands are pretty much tied.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
Wac-blo
Never wanna live there again
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
Hey
Purple Row changed their slogan!
Purple Row – A Colorado Rockies Blog because we’re Rockies fans
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 26, 2010 9:15 PM PDT reply actions
Well…Its an improvement.
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 26, 2010 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Not redundant enough
Purple Row: A Colorado Rockies Blog because we’re fans of the Colorado Rockies who blog about the Rockies, our favorite team, and their storied row of Purple in Colorado.
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No sarcasm on this. I grade it as least damaging move in the last 9 months!
Not a lot of room for upside here. It could make trading Wilson and gaining anything not years away from the big club hard. So this is only a "win" in small letters and in context with the recent string of moves since Sabean realized the club was near 500 on Independence day.
It is spring though and I will remain focused on the fact the teams do have to run the risk, from time to time, of sinking $5m -$9mm into a ‘Pen arm that might blow up in a given season. And the odds are good Wilson returns over 2/3rd of the money in on field value so I’ll take it.
Threat level that the 2010 Pads finish with more wins than the 2010 Giants is currently at - 25%
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