Community Projections: The Bullpen
by Grant Brisbee on Mar 24, 2010 11:26 AM PDT
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PrintI’m all for minutia. I’m all for 10,000-word tomes on Ryan Rohlinger vs. Matt Downs. I’m all for a fourteen-part historical retrospective on Giants catchers and their walkup songs ("Part I: Brent Mayne and ‘Shakedown Street’... Part II: Tom Lampkin and ‘Rooster’...") But, good gravy, I’m not crazy enough to do a community projection on each individual reliever.
Well, I used to be. But I’ve grown. This year around, let’s just do a simple roll call. Which relievers will do better, and which will do worse?
Jeremy Affeldt
Yeah, let’s just get the easy one out of the way first. Everybody loves Affeldt. He seems pleasantly goofy, and he endeared himself to the fanbase by getting out of every single freaking jam he was thrown into. That viscous fluid leaking out of his pores: liquid double plays.
There’s no way he’s going to be that good again, though, especially if he continues to walk four-and-a-half batters for every nine innings he pitches. He was more than a little lucky last year. So he’s a decline, but still a good and valuable member of the bullpen.
Sergio Romo
Romo is an improve every season until he’s the best reliever in baseball. He’s just that cool. He was hurt at the start of last season -- maybe due to pitching a combined 12,031 innings between the majors, minors, winter leagues, equinox leagues, Rock ‘n’ Jock Celebrity Softball Challenges, and ‘50s-style Brooklyn stickball games -- but he’s ostensibly healthy this spring.
After giving up a combined six earned runs in back-to-back appearances toward the end of July, Romo’s ERA was at 6.59. A lot of managers would have buried him in the back of the bullpen as a knee-jerk reaction. So a lot of credit goes to Bruce Bochy for continuing to let Romo pitch the late innings. After the struggles, Romo pitched 20 innings of 2.21 ERA ball, with 24 strikeouts and six walks. And, yes, I need to defrag my computer every time I type "a lot of credit goes to Bruce Bochy."
Brandon Medders
Medders wasn’t quite as good as Affeldt, and he wasn’t quite as lucky, but the same caveats apply. Medders has a really nice curve -- if he had a little more movement or velocity on his fastball, he could become something more than a sixth-inning type. And if Eugenio Velez had hitting skills, he’d be Tim Raines. Still, while Medders gets a decline projection, he’s still a good reliever to have. After Brandons Puffer and Villafuerte, Sabean finally scored with a productive scrap-heap Brandon.
Dan Runzler
I predict that Runzler will give up more than .46 runs in professional baseball this year, so he gets a decline by default. But have you seen his stats so far this spring? Twelve strikeouts in 6.1 innings, with three hits and three walks allowed. He’s really, really good at making A-ball goofs swing and miss, and he’s probably the unknown on the team that I’m most excited to watch.
Brian Wilson
I don’t know how to massage the Baseball Reference and FanGraph databases quite as well as I thought. My goal was to prove that Wilson pitched in 3,233 full-count situations last season, and then I was going to prove this was a historical anomaly, which would then suggest that Wilson is more likely to put away hitters in two-strike situations rather than go to a full count this season. I can’t back this up with data, so I’ll just assume it’s true. Science!
Wilson might have been the most underrated player on the team last year, especially in the second half. I’m going to go with a cautious improve.
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plz, some hitting to support this stellar staff
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Bold prediction
There seems to be a lot of demand for closers around the league. I think there’s a chance that before the trade deadline, Wilson is the one we end up moving for a bat.
Romo, if healthy, and Runzler could both be closers of the future.
I think, like you, that Affeldt will decline, but he will at the very least be one of the best loogy’s in the game and will still induce DP’s.
I’ve always been super high on Romo. When he throws the ball, it’s fun to watch it wiggle. I think he’ll improve.
Medders is medders. Good guy to have in the bullpen. I predict more mehdders.
Runzler will probably sophomore slump a little as people start to figure him out, but he’ll still be decent.
B-Wheez will hopefully maintain the progress of last year.
My Son was the third most valuable Giant position player by WAR in 2009. A little sad, a little happy.
It’s not that I’m fundamentally opposed to the trade-the-closer dogma, but I get really nervous whenever I see comments on this site about that are essentially “Wilson is good, let’s trade Wilson for something good and just put Romo/Affeldt/whomever in his place.”
How quickly we forget what it was like before Wilson got good. I don’t like the guy, but I do like having a closer we can count on. Because knowing the Sabean, if we do end up trading Wilson, we’ll just end up with another Benitez.
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by Prussian Creole on Mar 24, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Before Wilson
We didn’t have anyone who we though could step up. Now we do.
My Son was the third most valuable Giant position player by WAR in 2009. A little sad, a little happy.
Right
But I’m still just so unsure. I really like Romo, and I see very good arguments for him as the closer in the near future. But I want to see what a healthy, full season looks like out of him before I go trading anybody. Right now Wilson is consistent and (relatively) cheap. I’m not saying we shouldn’t entertain the idea of trading him in the future, I’m just worried about the idea of flipping him this season.
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by Prussian Creole on Mar 24, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
We have a lot more BP depth that bat depth
If a deal for a legit 3-4-5 bat presented itself, I’d probably do it.
I’d have Affeldt close and groom Romo for the roll in 2011.
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The problem is . . .
That deal won’t happen. If it did, I’d be just as happy as the rest of you. But the most we’re looking getting in return is a legit 3-4-5 bat who’s a free agent at the end of the season and almost immediately after being acquired goes all Freddy Sanchez on us.
Never forget, Brian Sabean is the one pulling the trigger, kicking the tires, etc.
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by Prussian Creole on Mar 24, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I was saying what I'd do
…not what Brian Sabean would do
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Oh ok, then I totally agree with you
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by Prussian Creole on Mar 24, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
He’d kick an ass or two.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
He’d make a delicious cocktail to go with.
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by Johnny Disaster on Mar 25, 2010 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree-I'd trade Wilson for the right price
If we could get Aaron Hicks, Ben Revere, or Wilson Ramos from the Twins for Wilson I’d do that in a second
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Brian Wilson is actaully a very very good pitcher
I think people got all wrapped up in his image and some of his antics, but his peripherals don’t lie.
I think he was underrated, and if he continues to improve – look out.
by FairweatherFan on Mar 24, 2010 11:34 AM PDT reply actions
He’s an underrated reliever. Relievers on the whole are still overrated.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
He's a very good pitcher
It’s only his limited appearances that limit his value. That doesn’t have much to do with how effective he is however.
by FairweatherFan on Mar 24, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
he was not that good in 2008.
although he did strike out a lot of guys. Note also that his HR/9 and HR/FB rates were abnormal in 2007 & 2009.
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Declines:
Affeldt, Runzler, Medders
Same:
Wilson
Improvements:
Romo
Overall:
Slightly worse than last year.
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And I’m trying not to be, and I know I don’t have to participate if I don’t want to (and I haven’t aside from a couple of jokes), but … why do we like to make projections for the players?
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
Because it’s a cheap way to squeeze 15 posts out of spring nothingness.
by Grant Brisbee on Mar 24, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
And the numbers are just an afterthought. I like going back a few years and just reading what I thought about players before the season. Think of it more as an open thread on the subject of the post.
by Grant Brisbee on Mar 24, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
We like to talk about giants baseball
which is played by giants baseball players.
My Son was the third most valuable Giant position player by WAR in 2009. A little sad, a little happy.
so we can point out our genius prognostications a year from now
and totally ignore it when we’re wrong
If you don't like Brandon Medders you're not a true fan.
Isn’t it at least as much about pointing out others’ idiocy when they are proven wrong?
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by Johnny Disaster on Mar 24, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
We like to talk about how well/not well we think players are going to do this season
And why
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I don’t know. It just seems that we have no way of actually knowing how they’ll do, so I don’t see what fun it is. Is it like gambling or stock markets?
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by shanghaijim on Mar 24, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
It can be fun banter for me… don’t know about others.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
We have no way of actually knowing. But we have a lot of ways to kind of know. And it can be fun to speculate based on things we only kind of know. There is a long history of people doing it. All of science fiction, for one.
So, I mean, we’re basically just writing speculative fiction for baseball players and leaving out the slash.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 24, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s being a bit facetious, H. Fiction usually implies narrative. There’s no obvious narrative in a series of speculative numbers. How he gets to 200 innings. How he gets twenty home runs. But I don’t want to burden the discussion with my objections, I wanted to know what people got out of it. I guess it’s just one of those things that are fun that I don’t get. Like being high and gambling.
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by shanghaijim on Mar 24, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I just think that the idea of speculation is one that makes sense in a lot of contexts. It doesn’t have to be science fiction or speculative fiction. It doesn’t have to be any kind of narrative. People like to speculate about things. Is Tiger Woods going to be good enough to win the Masters? We don’t know. But people like to speculate about it. What would a cat look like if you bred it with a dog? I’ve heard people spend minutes – literally minutes on end – speculating about that. Pick your context. It doesn’t have to be fiction. Politics? What are people doing talking about poll numbers but speculating about what the final results will end up being. Food? When you get excited about going to a restaurant you’ve never been to, you’re often speculating that you’re going to like it. Just pick one – any context – and see how many people like to talk about what might happen. It’s not really any different for baseball.
Not everybody is going to get pleasure out of it, and you don’t seem to be one of them. But I don’t know what’s so hard to understand about the allure of speculation. It’s present in a ridiculous number of things that we deal with in our everyday lives.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 24, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t enjoy gambling while high. The people waiting for me to figure out what the hell was going on at the craps table seemed pretty annoyed also.
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by Johnny Disaster on Mar 24, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
But there is a narrative to numbers – maybe not all the details are known, but we are all familiar enough with the basics of baseball numbers that a box score – on the surface merely a collection of names and numbers – can actually retell the story of a day’s game.
It’s like a kind of poetry – there is an art in not saying everything, in letting the silences speak for themselves.
Let me give you an example, using projection type numbers:
.235/.380/.440; or .235 – 26 – 87.
How about .298/.390/.386?
I just told a story or two. I bet, without knowing anything about these numbers (which I just threw out at random), that folks here could come up with pretty good descriptions of exactly what kind of players those guys are, including body type, baseball skillset, and maybe even position.
Stories are everywhere. The projections here are stories of hope, despair, or something in between. I find it interesting – but then again, people don’t all like the same stories, so I get where you’re coming from.
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by greatgiantfan on Mar 24, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Giants Baseball?
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
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yikes, it’s true
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by greatgiantfan on Mar 24, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
To see gifs of Giants players dancing humorously
"Man, you just can't beat a good bowl of gumbo." ~ William Nuschler Clark
Because the wisdom of crowds is interesting
by FairweatherFan on Mar 24, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
‘mob mentality’
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by Johnny Disaster on Mar 24, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, because we're all know-it-alls
My Son was the third most valuable Giant position player by WAR in 2009. A little sad, a little happy.
Filler before the real action begins
Then back to cringing and crying after watching that offensive offense…
Win the inning.
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by Scooter Ellis on Mar 24, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought it was only when the real action begins that you filler. Oh, god I’m so confused.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 24, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
These projection threads are for telling everyone what we had for lunch and dinner.
The Giants offseason moves - "meh"
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Since everyone's been waiting patiently..
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Dinner: Pork Tenderloin w/potatoes
Dessert: home-made lowfat cheeseCAKE (no crust = no pie)
I lost 20 pounds in 3 months, I rewarded myself by trying to put it all back on in a day.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
I was not. It was a fresh burger. The fries were pretty good. But nothing special. I could have made that exact burger for a lot cheaper.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Isn't that like most places?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
You can try all you want, you can’t replicate In-n-Out. I had heard a lot of good things about Five Guys. I was expecting something special. And it was kinda expensive for a burger & fries.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Affeldt: Decline
Romo: Improve
Medders: Improve. A lot. Like. 0.00 ERA a lot. In fact, I’m thinking Cy Young. From a reliever? A middle reliever? He’s gonna be that good. He might not allow a runner all season. Or even a ball. 75 appearances.
Runzler: Decline
WIlson: Improve a tiny bit.
If you don't like Brandon Medders you're not a true fan.
I was confused by your Medders prediction until I saw your sig
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by Prussian Creole on Mar 24, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Wilson: decline
Romo: improve
Affeldt: decline
Medders: meh… decline
Runzler: improve
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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I’m kind of giddy about the bullpen… it seems like there are a lot of good,l live young arms both for now and in the future. At least until they are traded for mediocre 30- something veterans.
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by Johnny Disaster on Mar 24, 2010 11:49 AM PDT reply actions
Not surprisingly, I have the pen as Decline across the board
Not because I think they were lucky last season, but that I think they were incredibly good last season and there is no way that any of them repeat that type of performance.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 24, 2010 11:51 AM PDT reply actions
Jeremy Affeldt: Decline but not by much
Sergio Romo: Improve
Brandon Medders: About the same line, but higher ERA
Dan Runzler: Decline
Brian Wilson: Improve
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I agree with this prediction
Affeldt’s due for a regression if only because he statistically outperformed last year, so barring a complete implosion, he’ll still be good
Romo’s healthy and if he stays that way he’ll be good competition for Affeldt for the set-up role
Medders is also due for a slight regression but I think he’ll still be very effective
Runzler pretty much ca only go down from where he is/was but he was almost perfect so I’m not gonna start freaking out yet
Wilson should continue to improve his peripherals like WHIP and K/BB rate provided he doesn’t make a habit of partying with Lindsey Lohan
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by Prussian Creole on Mar 24, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m with this prediction.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 24, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Wilson: Decline
Romo: Improve
Affeldt: Decline
Medders: Decline
Runzler: Improve
Joaquin: Improve
Long-Reliever: Improve
Prediction: Tony Pena will pitch in at least 5 games for the Giants this season.
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 24, 2010 11:53 AM PDT reply actions
I was wondering who the other one-two relievers will be.
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I think they will be Joaquin and Wellemeyer, but I’m in the minority I believe
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 24, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
with Kevin Pucetas as the 5th starter
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 24, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd switch that
Wellemeyer 5th starter and Pucetas in long relief.
Veteran savvy and all
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Mota's having a good ST (unfortunately)
I think he’ll make the Opening Day ’Pen
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It kinda looks like the tattoo on Wilson’s wrist reads, “Garlic”.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Or the beginning of “Arugula”.
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I’ve been thinking of getting a tattoo based on the cover of Michael Ruhlman’s ‘Ratio’. It would also double as a cheat sheet whilst cooking. Is this crazy?
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by Johnny Disaster on Mar 24, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Not at all
The utilitarian tattoo is a great idea.
"Man, you just can't beat a good bowl of gumbo." ~ William Nuschler Clark
Funny how a small laptop screen and 40+ year old eyes makes "Ratio" look like "Ratto"
A tattoo of Ray Ratto on your arm would rule
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That would be grounds for immediate amputation.
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by Johnny Disaster on Mar 24, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
My wife says if she ever got a tattoo, which isn’t in her plans, it would be a tramp stamp of cap’n crunch.
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It was . . . odd
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by Prussian Creole on Mar 24, 2010 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s definitely a concern. The same concerns with Sandoval should probably apply to Runzler.
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 24, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
EXCUSE ME
there are no concerns with my boy
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I think he’s going to go all Jonathan-Sanchez-as-a-reliever on us — spectacular, often dominant, but seriously undermined by horrible control.
Shut your disk drive, foul machine.
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you suck
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Romo IS awesome
Jeremy Affeldt: Decline but not by much
Sergio Romo: Improve to the point that Wilson becomes expendable, and Sabean trades Wilson to the Reds for Joey Votto. Romo becomes the closer, is voted to the All-Star team, and leads the re-energized Giants to the World Series.
Brandon Medders: Decline.
Dan Runzler: Maintain (which is to say, he dominates, making the Wilson trade that much easier).
Brian Wilson: Our former closer does well for the Reds, but in the G.A.Ballpark his ERA doesn’t look quite as spiffy.
"And we plead and we pray for a glimmer of day,
As the night folds its wings and descends, exposing the loose ends."
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That’s the part of the prediction you question? I mean, come on, I buy everything in there except the word spiffy.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 24, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
how about Wilson to the Reds for the 100 mph Cuban – is that an even trade? i think i would roll the dice on that.
by Lunatic Fridge on Mar 25, 2010 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I still think this is one of the best
deepest pens in the game. I don’t expect much of a drop off from the established relievers, and the continued maturation of young guys like Runzler and Joaquin will only make it better. Plus, guys like Edlefson and Patterson will be sitting in AAA to provide depth, and even the non roster guys in camp could conceivably contribute something.
by crazedcrustacean on Mar 24, 2010 12:09 PM PDT reply actions
Funny how a small laptop screen and 40+ year old eyes makes "maturation" look like "masterbation".
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NTTAWWT, of course.
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by El Brazo Dravecky on Mar 25, 2010 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I love Sergio Romo.
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BP roles
IMO, I’d like the relievers to have specific roles on this team.
Closer (9th): Wilson
Setup (8th): Affeldt
7th inning / part time Setup: Romo
6th inning / Lefty specialist: Runzler
6th inning / 2-inning reliever: Medders
Long Reliever / 5th starter: Wellemeyer/Pucetas
Wild Card: Joaquin
Of course this will be ideal if the starters can go at least 5 innings for the majority of their starts.
Win the inning.
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Win the inning.
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If you mean the show
It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia
Win the inning.
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by Scooter Ellis on Mar 24, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Runzler’s going to kick butt and prove all you prospect-rankers wrong, and I’m gonna be all, “I WUZ RIGHT” and you’ll be all, “OH SNAP HE WUZ RIGHT”
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by UnleashTheGore on Mar 24, 2010 12:43 PM PDT reply actions
You’ll have a future around here, son.
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During one of Q&As at Fan Fest
Wilson and Krukow were raving about Runzler’s stuff. Both predicted him emerging as big-time dude
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His stuff is awesome… if he can command it.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Mar 24, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
TWSS!
( can’t believe nobody else took this opportunity).
"And we plead and we pray for a glimmer of day,
As the night folds its wings and descends, exposing the loose ends."
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Affedlt: Small regression.
Runzler: Dominant, just like he has been since called up.
Wilson: Crazy interviews and antics, Same.
Romo: Same
Medders: Small regression
Joaquin: may be our mix of Howry and Valdez.
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
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basically...
we have the best bullpen in the league
maybe the giants can keep another position player or two instead of a 12-man staff.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD! Allow Goofus to show you
mccoven diversity: Romosexuals, Velezbians, Nerb's--they're all here...
by greatgiantfan on Mar 24, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
You obviously haven't seen the roster of the AL East
/ESPN
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Mar 24, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Players I have built up irrational expectations for:
- Runzler
- Joaquin
Players that will be good but not as good as last year:
- Affeldt
- Medders
Wilson will be about the same, with none of the twitter distractions.
Not Gonna wager a prediction on Romo
Optimism Prime
The bullpen puts up a combined 2.50 ERA, every role being played to perfection, and no weak links in the group. Improvements from all.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
I basically agree with Grant, but I am really excited to see Runzler’s performance this year. In his limited time, he’s been really exciting to watch. He also appears to be a fun goofball-type like Jeremy Affeldt, which I love (even though it has little to nothing to do with baseball).
And he’s a dreamboat. Don’t forget that. Plus he does the dishes without being asked.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
And is always willing to tell you what he is thinking about.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 24, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
No. He has taste.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
He tastes like pina coladas
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 24, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
You take that back. He tastes like Makers Mark, neat.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
yuk, how could anyone drink that stuff
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD! Allow Goofus to show you
mccoven diversity: Romosexuals, Velezbians, Nerb's--they're all here...
by greatgiantfan on Mar 24, 2010 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions
And he puts the toilet seat down
…after he’s done peeing on it
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
and he opens the doors for the ladies
but makes them enter/exit first due to his crippling fear of doorway ninja attacks
...Dr. Vader will see you now.
Jeremy Affeldt: Decline by a fairly significant amount, but still good.
Sergio Romo: Improve by a fairly substantial margin. In fact, I think he’ll melt down 2 or 3 times during the year when his command disappears or his sliders don’t slide to make his overall stats not as spectacular as they should be, but he’s going to be very, very good.
Brandon Medders: Decline. And I think it could get very ugly, very quickly.
Dan Runzler: Decline. Which is to say, he’ll give up at least 2 earned runs and have an ERA+ of under 177. I think the walks will become an issue, but he’ll be good.
Brian Wilson: No change. I go back and forth on this. I can see where the improved control and the 2nd fastest average FB in the NL could lead to optimism, but I’m always scared spitless when he takes the mound.
Alex Hinshaw: Big improve. The surprise of the season. Puts up a league average line with strong peripherals.
Guillermo Mota: Improve. By which I mean, he makes the team. Not saying I’m happy, but that would be an improvement from being cut.
Waldis Joaquin: Improve. First call up from Fresno when someone gets injured.
Kevin Pucetas: Improve. Anchor of the Fresno rotation. Will get a September call up.
Santiago Casilla, Denny Bautista, Felix Romero: Improve. Anchors of the Fresno bullpen.
Hector Sanchez: Underrated. Fighting body bias since the 2009 off season. I still love you, son, even if you're fat.
Waldis Joaquin: Improve. First call up from Fresno when someone gets injured
Based on your projacted staff, which I assumes has Wellemeyer as the 5th starter, I’d say the first call-up would be Pucetas if the injured pitcher is a starter
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
Overall, expect a bullpen decline
The team was very lucky last year, and the peripherals don’t support that. Gun to my head calls. I do think Runzler/Joaquin/Hinshaw offer some reasonable talented young arms, and ideally, I’d like keep them all (alongside Affeldt/Romo/Medders/Wilson).
This being the Giants however, we’ll surely send down the 26 year old (Hinshaw) for whichever 40 year old shows “veteran moxie” (Mota?)
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
Brian Wilson
HR/9 0.37
HR/FB 4.5%
Those numbers are low. Quite low. Dare I say… unsustainable?
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115 posts and no commnents on the Mayne-y Shakedown St comment?!
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I miss Brent as much as any backup catcher.
"The questions are so stupid. I don't believe in rivalries. I don't believe in curses. Wake up the damn Bambino, maybe I'll drill him in the ass."
- Pedro Martinez, asked about the Curse of the Bambino
by achiappanza on Mar 24, 2010 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Affeldt will continue to induce DP’s
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Mar 24, 2010 4:16 PM PDT reply actions
twss
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
Prediction-OD Bullpen
Pucetas-He’ll be able to hold down this job all year
Mota (Ugh)-Improve from being a NRI
Medders-Mild decline
Runzler-Go through a rough spell then be dominant
Affeldt-Mild decline (won’t be getting any MVP votes)
Romo-Improve
Wilson-Improve
Adopted Giant: Mike Krukow.
Grab Some Pine, Meat
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
Rotation
Affeldt: decline (tough to do anything but after last year)
Medders: slight decline
Romo: decline
Runzler: decline
Wilson: slight improvement
Though this sounds bad, considering how good the pen was last year, by no means would a slight decline mean we are going to have a bad bullpen.
I predict that Runzler-Affeldt-Wilson will get a couple Nasty Boys comparisons on MLB Tonight this year.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Which one is Knobbs and which one is Sags?
Adopted Giant: Mike Krukow.
Grab Some Pine, Meat
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
Just a note on Affeldt
I’m sure this has been mentioned a billion times, but his fip last year was 3.59 (compared to an ERA of 1.73). His BABIP was .244, by far the lowest of his career. And his LOB% was a totally fucking insane 86.4%. If I’m honest I have to see more than just a slight decline in his future…
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
If I’m honest, I have my fingers in my ears yelling.
by Rorsavelt on Mar 25, 2010 2:19 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
REAL PROJECTIONS
…you bastards
Brian Wilson
IP 66
ERA 2.89
K 71
BB 28
HRA 3
SV 40
BS 3
ABS* 22
*almost blown save, defined as putting the tying run in scoring position with less than two outs, then rallying to complete the save. Of Wilson’s 22 ABS, 19 will take place before the All-Star break.
Jeremy Affeldt
IP 67
ERA 2.85
K 61
BB 29
HRA 5
Sergio Romo
IP 59
ERA 2.41
K 76
BB 15
HRA 3
Dan Runzler
IP 58
ERA 2.28
K 79
BB 31
HRA 3
Brandon Medders
IP 40
ERA 3.96
K 30
BB 19
HRA 6
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
I project
That the rotation will have more IP than the bullpen. Book it.
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Too many posters to link to ridiculously wrong past projections so I’ll just say I think we have a very solid bullpen and we will be spoiled when compared to almost every other team. Further spoiled by a rotation that does a good amount of their work for them. Also, do like Romo, do not understand unabashed Romosexuality of many McCoven.
by Rorsavelt on Mar 25, 2010 2:17 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Romo, Runzler, Hinshaw, Sosa, Pucetas…. they are all having pretty good springs, as far as I can tell. I checked their stats on the giants website, and Pucetas is the only one to have allowed an earned run so far.
Combined Stats:
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41 IP
31 K’s
11 BB
0.21 ERA
So how do all these guys fit in down the line?
Hinshaw’s gonna be a beast. I think he gets his control in order.
Affeldt, awesome as always.
Runzler’s gonna be a badass. At least I hope so. Just picked him in my holds POKEMONZ so that’d be nice.
I think Romo declines a bit.
Wilson… Who knows.
Medders… he’s a horse. Steady.
Proud parent of the new dominant pitching sensation out of San Diego State University.
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