Community Projection: Matt Cain
by Grant Brisbee on Mar 2, 2010 5:50 PM PST
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PrintSince the expansion era, here are the pitchers who have thrown three seasons of 200+ IP with an ERA+ of 110 or better before they turned 25:
Steve Avery
Bert Blyleven
Mark Buehrle
Matt Cain
Dennis Eckersley
Dwight Gooden
Greg Maddux
Jon Matlack
Tom Seaver
Frank Tanana
Carlos Zambrano
Matt Cain’s worst ERA+ mark in his 200 IP seasons was 118, so I lowered the bar to avoid cherry-picking accusations. What does this list mean? The names range from arm casualties to inner circle Hall-of-Famers, but the list doesn’t have any predictive value. It’s not like you can extrapolate something nutty like "Cain is now likely to have a long, long career like Seaver, Blyleven, Maddux, and Tanana.". It’s mostly worth noting because a) the list is so danged short, and b) there are some great names on that short list. Pitchers as young, durable, and effective as Cain are rare, rare creatures. And the Giants have one.
It’s amazing that he’s usually only thought of as a mere part of a collective – "Part of the Giants’ 1-2 punch," or "A member of one of the better staffs in the league", etc… —as opposed to a star in his own right. Of course, his career record is only 44-51. He probably isn’t bunting well when he comes up with runners on base.
So Matt Cain is a gift, a treasure, and we have him for at least two more seasons, at which point we’ll have Barry Zito, Aaron Rowand, and the memories of Matt Cain. Ah, those sweet, sweet memories.
Cain’s splits are usually pretty worthless in determining how he’ll perform the next year. In 2007, everyone was abuzz about Cain’s low strikeout rate in the first half, and they were agog about his high strikeout rate and newfound control in the second half. This reversed itself in 2008, with folks afeared that his second-half strikeout rate was a harbinger of doom, only to be abashed by his 2009 performance in the first half. So while I hope that his pinpoint control after last year’s All-Star Game is a trend and not an aberration, I know better than to read too deeply into Cain’s splits.
Was Cain a different pitcher last year? It’s hard to see how. For all of the nonsense about Cain learning how to win in the first half (and forgetting in the second half), he was certainly luckier. He gave up eight hits with runners in scoring position and two outs last year…out of 94 plate appearances! That’s just freaky, and it’s not likely to happen again. But there are subtle indicators that Cain is learning how to pitch better. He’s getting more swings at pitches out of the strike zone, and he’s throwing more first-pitch strikes than he was as a youngster. But he also allowed more home runs last year than he ever had.
Ah, who am I kidding? I don’t know how to interpret "stats" and/or "data." I’m just a hack looking for his next knock-knock joke.
Knock knock!Who’s there?
Matt.
Matt who?
Mah’ team stinks at scoring runs for me. How about getting some real hitters?
Much better. And I’m quite bullish on Cain, if only because he’s secretly awesome and underrated, like Link Hogthrob. I guess that would make Lincecum some combination of Kermit and a touring member of Dr. Teeth and The Electric Mayhem, but now we’re just getting silly.
Here's last year's community projection thread, and here are the established projection systems for 2010:
PECOTA - 201 IP, 169 K, 69 BB, 3.65 ERA, 21 HR
ZiPS - 217.2 IP, 179 K, 80 BB, 3.51 ERA, 20 HR
Bill James - 225 IP, 194 K, 80 BB, 3.36 ERA, 21 HR
CHONE - 190 IP, 157 K, 69 BB, 3.69 ERA, 18 HR
I’ll err on the side of not-so-wild optimism here, and it comes out with similar runs allowed totals from last year, but with healthier indicators for repeat success.
Matt Cain:
IP: 223
ERA: 3.15
K: 182
BB: 67
HR: 17
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by The Double Deuce on Mar 2, 2010 6:01 PM PST up reply actions
late post is llamas.
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by beat_la_25 on Mar 2, 2010 8:01 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 2, 2010 8:01 PM PST up reply actions
Late posts are better, IMO
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by Giant among Angels on Mar 2, 2010 8:13 PM PST up reply actions
Anagram of "Late post is late"
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by Stuttering John Tamargo on Mar 2, 2010 9:19 PM PST up reply actions
I didn’t get to read this until this morning. All of the good TWSS have probably been taken.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
You can, like, see the veins in his arms n stuff.
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/09: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Who says 'n stuff'?
This is McCovey Chronicles.
We swear around here, son!
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Although there is a striking resemblance.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 3, 2010 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
He stopped watching The Notebook. He only watches Love Actually now.
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and Rock of Love
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by UnleashTheGore on Mar 3, 2010 9:01 AM PST up reply actions
and Fraggle Rock
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
carp (paraphrased): "117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"
by natteringnabob on Mar 3, 2010 9:02 AM PST up reply actions
and The Rock
My career path, have you seen it?
by say hey nation on Mar 3, 2010 9:04 AM PST up reply actions
Fraggle Rock of Love was kind of weird, though.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 3, 2010 9:04 AM PST up reply actions
IP: 217.2
ERA: 3.57
K: 198
BB: 81
HR: 18
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I think I was a bit generous on the strikeouts.
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Sign me up for the ZiPS projection (217.2 IP, 179 K, 80 BB, 3.51 ERA, 20 HR). Cain will get more run support than he has had in the past (not difficult to do), but some of his luck stranding runners goes away.
Lazy? Guilty as charged.
Please tell me we have moved past the dark ages of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
Looks like Bill James doesn't believe in Cain's control
Bill James – 225 IP, 194 BB
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Plus another 80 on top of that?
Oh my…
by The Double Deuce on Mar 2, 2010 6:03 PM PST up reply actions
My prediction?
Cain.
(Get it, it rhymes with pain? Haha?)
by The Double Deuce on Mar 2, 2010 6:02 PM PST reply actions
/looks around uncomfortably
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Mar 2, 2010 6:25 PM PST up reply actions
/twiddles thumbs, whistles quietly
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/switches on a rerun of Cops.
Petey and Fresh always dunking on Spartans,
Biscuits in baskets from Heatley and Thornton,
Bam-Bam and Gore on the way to some rings,
These are a few of my favorite things.
You dont know where this butt has been.
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 2, 2010 9:34 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, ZIPs looks about right to me
220 IP
3.45 ERA
182 K
85 BB
21 HR
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Awesome late post is awesome
From what I’ve seen, Cain improves with every season. When he’s this young, there’s no reason to think that he won’t continue to get better.
IP: 220
ERA: 2.80
K: 175
WHIP: 1.15
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I don't know about that, to the groin.
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by howtheyscored on Mar 2, 2010 11:22 PM PST up reply actions
For now. Some jerk still has the opportunity to ruin this moment for me.
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by howtheyscored on Mar 2, 2010 11:22 PM PST up reply actions
You Grannot do that
But you did!
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Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Mar 2, 2010 8:12 PM PST up reply actions
If there is an apostrophe is Grant’s name, it should be Gra’ant.
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G'rant
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"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
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by Giant among Angels on Mar 2, 2010 9:18 PM PST up reply actions
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That’s my mom’s number!
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I don't know about that, to the groin.
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/summon Xanthan
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
carp (paraphrased): "117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"
by natteringnabob on Mar 3, 2010 7:08 AM PST up reply actions
or C3P0
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
carp (paraphrased): "117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"
by natteringnabob on Mar 3, 2010 7:08 AM PST up reply actions
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I like Cain even better this year
I think this is it for him. This is the year where it all comes together (tm Lou Brown)
Matt Cain:
IP: 265
ERA: 2.32
K: 243
BB: 67
HR: 9
WHIP 1.04
No Hitters: 1
Times Drills Cecil Fielder 2
He may have lucked out only giving up 8 hits in 94abs with runners in scoring postion and two outs but guys hit the snot out of the ball off him when he was behind in the coutn a lot more than they did the rest of league. He was less stubborn with his pitch selection last year than the year before, meaning he was trying to be less predictable.
It would help if the Giants took that fat toad Molina out from behind the plate so Cain wouldn’t be as hesitant to drop that big ass hammer down in the dirt. Posey can block a lot of pitches that fatass can’t reach.
My dos centavos
by E Ticket on Mar 2, 2010 6:06 PM PST reply actions
wow 9 HR in 265 IP would be ridiculous
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
but not nearly as ridiculous as him drilling Cecil Fielder twice
by FluLikeSymptoms on Mar 2, 2010 6:25 PM PST up reply actions
If I were betting on players that would get hit twice
i would pick a fat ass like fielder
I have finally accepted the fact that I will never win a McCoven award.
lolwut
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Yeah well I always predict negatory stuff and stuff, but I really like the way he handled himself last year. The softness is gone. When he drilled David Wright last year, it didn’t freak him out. He didn’t rub it in and he didnt’ go all wuss either. And the when the horses asses in NYC started givin him shit, he just doffed his hat at them like “go fuck yourselves new york hosers” I’m making millions and you’re acting like fucking chimps lololol"
My kind of player.
/joke em if they can’t take a fuck
by E Ticket on Mar 2, 2010 6:17 PM PST up reply actions
I think it’d rule. I do kind of feel like he might have one crazy good season like that in him (though maybe not quite that crazy good.)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
MVP: Lincecum
Cy Young: Cain
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That should be:
MVP: Posey
Cy: Lincecum
Best Pitcher Not Named Tim Lincecum Award for Pitchers who aren’t Named Tim Lincecum (BPNNTLAFPWANTL): Cain
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NL GG 1B: Posey
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by Giant among Angels on Mar 2, 2010 7:50 PM PST up reply actions
wanna see them go marichal and perry. there sure as hell isn’t anything at the plate to watch.
koufax and drysdale was epic confrontations. Drysdale was the only guy that could intimidate Mays. But McCovey killed Drysdale.
Koufax and Drysdale was like facing hell and purgatory on back to back nights.
Both Cain and Lincecum are still mid-20s.
/it could happen.
by E Ticket on Mar 2, 2010 6:23 PM PST up reply actions
So are you drinking the red or purple Kool-Aid? Because I want some.
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by j14 on Mar 2, 2010 6:57 PM PST up reply actions
Which color of Kool-Aid lets you see just how far down the rabbit hole goes?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 2, 2010 7:05 PM PST up reply actions
You show my guy up, I drill your family. Twice.
Matt Gotti
by E Ticket on Mar 2, 2010 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
hard to do that from 1B
Posey can block a lot of pitches that fatass can’t reach
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
carp (paraphrased): "117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"
by natteringnabob on Mar 3, 2010 7:10 AM PST up reply actions
Fully planning on getting him in POKEMONZ
so I hope he does well.
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I've never been happier to have Crabs
I always draft Cain in my leagues.
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NOT ENOUGH WINZ FOR POKEMONS
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
carp (paraphrased): "117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"
by natteringnabob on Mar 3, 2010 7:11 AM PST up reply actions
AND WHAT, YOU'LL TELL THEM TO EAT THEIR DAMN EGGROLL?
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Mar 2, 2010 6:08 PM PST up reply actions
He had it coming.
Cain offered some pretty choice vegetables, and all Abel has is some stupid lamb. C’mon, man.
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Wow...look at all those homers.
I think he’ll hit four.
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by victor frankenstein on Mar 2, 2010 6:12 PM PST reply actions
Cain homers= awesome
To hell with Cane for Feeldur- just let Cain play 1B when he’s not pitching.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
carp (paraphrased): "117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"
by natteringnabob on Mar 3, 2010 7:12 AM PST up reply actions
IP: 218
ERA: 3.32
K: 190
BB: 69
HR: 19
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 2, 2010 6:19 PM PST reply actions
Have fun at PR!
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I've never been happier to have Crabs
I just realized
The Who Would Shoot Him Or Herself First If McC Became Like Purple Row Award would have to go to bondslegend.
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Well, you don’t have to tell me twice.
I can’t handle Molina by myself, though.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 2, 2010 11:24 PM PST up reply actions
*nods nods*
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I've never been happier to have Crabs
IP: 225
ERA: 2.30
K: 200
BB: 85
HR: 10
Matt Cain= 2010 NL Cy Young
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by Gobroks on Mar 2, 2010 6:35 PM PST via mobile reply actions
crazy
For all the poo-pooing of optimism that goes on here, some of you folks sure make up for it on the team darlings.
I intentionally made a pessimistic prediction for Matt Cain just for you.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 2, 2010 6:51 PM PST up reply actions
I think Lincecum will have a slightly better year
But this is the year that Cain is finally regarded as an elite pitcher and not just robin to Lincecums batman
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by Gobroks on Mar 2, 2010 6:55 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
"slightly" better?
I love cain, but lincecum is a once-in-a-generation talent. Cain is really really really good…but IDK if he’s in Lincecum’s league, is he?
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Yeah
I was going to suggest that Cain could become Batman to Lincecum’s Superman.
Way above the human average, but not some super-powered, alien, freak.
Also, I’d bet that Cain could beat Robin’s ass. No pun intended.
"Man, you just can't beat a good bowl of gumbo." ~ William Nuschler Clark
Batman > Superman
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Unless you’re talking about who would win in a fight.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 3, 2010 8:11 AM PST up reply actions
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
I love that Graphic Novel.
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 3, 2010 8:30 AM PST up reply actions
The sequel is not.
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I agree
Superman would tear Batman into pieces.
Superman actually has super powers. Batman is just some pissed off guy with lots of money.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 3, 2010 8:19 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I don’t even really see how it’s up for debate. It’s like saying, “Who would win in a Strike-Todd-Helton-Out party: Suri Cruise or Tim Lincecum?”
Where Suri Cruise is Batman, Tim Lincecum is Superman, and striking Todd Helton out is them fighting to the death.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 3, 2010 8:42 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t know why it’s a party…. That’s odd.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 3, 2010 8:43 AM PST up reply actions
Striking out Todd Helton is a longstanding party tradition second only to Pin the Tail on the Donkey.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 3, 2010 8:46 AM PST up reply actions
Batman f**ked up Superman in the ‘The Dark Knight Returns’. I’m sorry, an old Batman f**ked up Superman in ‘The Dark Knight Returns’.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Much like the cake, that was a lie.
Or are you telling me that Suri Cruise could beat Tim Lincecum at the Striking-Todd-Helton-Out party?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 3, 2010 9:00 AM PST up reply actions
What? That’s no lie. Batman has a heart attack with his hands around a bloodied & beaten Superman’s throat.
Depends. Is Todd Helton hosting the party? Is he good friends with the Cruises? He’d probably take it easy on Suri. Tim would be the guy in the bathroom with three friends and walk out all together giggling and searching for the chips & oreo cookies. Tim would be in no condition to pitch.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
So you’re saying that by applying extremely limiting restrictions on the participants, a vastly inferior opponent can overcome almost all probability.
Just because a scenario can be constructed by which Batman may be capable of defeating Superman, that doesn’t mean that Superman wouldn’t kill him with one finger under absolutely any other applied conditions.
Batman can win in a fight if absolutely everything goes his way. But he absolutely wouldn’t win in any rational scenario. To suggest otherwise is crazy.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 3, 2010 9:20 AM PST up reply actions
How many people has Superman killed? Who’s got the obsessive personality? I’d put it this way: Superman would win almost every single battle, but Batman would win the war.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
/shoves finger through Batman’s skull at super-bullet speed with little to no effort.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 3, 2010 9:26 AM PST up reply actions
Superman would never do such a thing. You’ve taken Superman’s biggest flaw out of the equation: Morals.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
/renders Batman unconscious at super-bullet speed and walks away.
Well, to be fair here, popular depictions of Batman provide him with an equally stringent moral code.
But come on, man. Batman couldn’t touch Superman. It’s just not even within the realm of reason to think that he could.
Ridiculously strong. Ridiculously fast. Completely impervious to damage, save for the radioactive emissions of an extremely rare compound. It’s not even an unfair fight. It’s not even David and Goliath. It’s virtually impossible for Batman to win.
Continuing to champion Batman’s corner is really just practicing homerism at its very best.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 3, 2010 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
Besides the kryptonite, this picture brings up another good point. If Superman can’t rid the world of an overzealous real estate developer, what makes people think he could get rid of Batman?
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Superman would jusify the finger shoving lobotomy by painting Batman as anti-American.
Besides, I don’t buy into Superman being all moralistic anyway. You just know he would jackhammer-fuck Lois Lane every chance he got. The fortress of solitude was really just a bachelor pad he used when he wanted to get extra freaky.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 3, 2010 9:51 AM PST up reply actions
In private he used to call it the Fortress of Fuckitude.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 3, 2010 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
T.S. Quint: But they’re engaged.
Brodie: Doesn’t matter, can’t happen.
T.S. Quint: Why not? It’s bound to come up.
Brodie: It’s impossible, Lois could never have Superman’s baby. Do you think her fallopian tubes could handle the sperm? I guarantee you he blows a load like a shotgun right through her back. What about her womb? Do you think it’s strong enough to carry his child?
T.S. Quint: Sure, why not?
Brodie: He’s an alien, for Christ sake. His Kyrptonian biological makeup is enhanced by earth’s yellow sun. If Lois gets a tan the kid could kick right through her stomach. Only someone like Wonder Woman has a strong enough uterus to carry his kid. The only way he could bang regular chicks is with a kryptonite condom. That would kill him.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Superman would employ the withdraw method. This is another reason why he had the fortress of solitude. When he would fuck Lois at her apartment, he would make holes in the walls when he would blow a load. The neighbors started to complain and cleanup was a mess.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 3, 2010 9:58 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
LOLars
Always the most entertaining poster around…
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
LOLars
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
that's why
Superman is the lamest popular superhero. Reading a Superman (or Superboy, cripes) comic is like listening to a 5 year old. “I’m rubber and you’re glue… can’t touch me I’m invincible… to infinity.”
He screws up the Justice League too… Batman, Robin, WW and the rest are basically punchlines. “What, Aquaman is trapped by an underwater earthquake? Up, up and away!” If he shows up too late, he just spins the earth backwards or flies back in time or whatever until he can fix it.
However, Superboy gets extra credit for being in the Legion of Well-Endowed Scantily Clad Female Superheroes during the 70’s.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
carp (paraphrased): "117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"
by natteringnabob on Mar 3, 2010 8:54 AM PST up reply actions
Superboy? That was a pretty progressive move.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 3, 2010 8:56 AM PST up reply actions
Agree
As a character, I prefer Batman. As for powers, Superman could immolate Batman with one of his farts.
"Man, you just can't beat a good bowl of gumbo." ~ William Nuschler Clark
Whose Alfred?
My career path, have you seen it?
by say hey nation on Mar 3, 2010 8:59 AM PST up reply actions
Mine!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 3, 2010 9:00 AM PST up reply actions
damnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
My career path, have you seen it?
by say hey nation on Mar 3, 2010 9:01 AM PST up reply actions
Or I should have said:
More like he becomes the Alfred to Lincecums Batman!
My career path, have you seen it?
by say hey nation on Mar 3, 2010 9:00 AM PST up reply actions
Well I honestly believe Cain will win the Cy Young...
I think Timmy will have 50-75 more Ks and a slightly lower ERA but I think this is the year Cain becomes a legit ace
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
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by Gobroks on Mar 2, 2010 8:02 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Do you really think that? Why? Up to this point, Cain has basically been the exact same pitcher his entire career – what’s changed?
by Missing Barry on Mar 2, 2010 9:03 PM PST up reply actions
Did you forget that he gave the necklace to Dan Haren?
I have finally accepted the fact that I will never win a McCoven award.
It's probably irrational...
but I see his ERA declining and see him being challenged by being so under the radar compared to Timmy and he’ll just have a better year.
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
Fair enough, I’m not trying to crush optimism about a player I actually like. ;)
by Missing Barry on Mar 2, 2010 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
I'm all for optimisim
but his ERA was already under 3 last year. I’m not sure I see it going any lower than that.
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But if Lincecum has more strikeouts and a lower ERA, then how exactly is Cain to beat him out for the Cy Young?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 2, 2010 11:24 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t follow.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 2, 2010 11:56 PM PST up reply actions
Because I'm thinking the BBWAA will more or less expect that from Timmy
but they won’t expect Cain to be amazing, like I think he’s going to be
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
You should see my optimism for Cain. It involves me and him going behind the school so I can have his babies.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 2, 2010 11:25 PM PST up reply actions
a 3.28 era and 185 Ks
count as “pessimism”?
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I've never been happier to have Crabs
You should see my optimism for Cain. It involves me and him going behind the school so I can have his babies.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 3, 2010 8:12 AM PST up reply actions
OT
I just read that these new striped socks will be worn full time this year (not just for spring training or as an alternate):
I like
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/09: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
That's pretty cool
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I've never been happier to have Crabs
FWIW
I prefer the baggy pants look to high socks, but if they’re gonna wear high socks they might as well be cool lookin ones
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
Fail
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH
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I've never been happier to have Crabs
NO U!
You were the one that brought in the ridiculous hatred of high socks. Four out of five dentists agree, high socks are the better choice.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
"hatred"?
that’s a bit strong. I just said I prefer the baggy look. SHEESH what are we, in Salem? LIGHTEN UP, DOOD
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Maybe your opinion shouldn’t suck so much and everything would be cool….
by Missing Barry on Mar 3, 2010 7:13 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe your FACE shouldn't suck so much!
BURN!
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
wow i've banned people for less.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I like no sock look, but where the pants go over the back of the shoe. I don’t get that look.
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Mar 2, 2010 9:46 PM PST up reply actions
Blame it on Clemens. Thats the name of it. “Clemens Cut”
by E Ticket on Mar 2, 2010 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
Can't he do anything right?
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What I can’t figure out is how they got that ball to just float there.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 2, 2010 7:07 PM PST up reply actions
Lincecum taught Sosa the change up
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
by Gobroks on Mar 2, 2010 7:26 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I zoomed in for you
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
by heimy25 on Mar 2, 2010 7:43 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Oh.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 2, 2010 11:26 PM PST up reply actions
You should read the site more.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
Mr. F! | comics | art | New Nattowear | Unofficial McImage Directory
thanks for your input
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/09: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
by Useful_Idiot on Mar 2, 2010 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2010/2/22/1321692/sock-it-to-me
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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/repeats comment about stirrups
/reposts picture of skinny 70s player making them look good
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
carp (paraphrased): "117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"
by natteringnabob on Mar 3, 2010 7:15 AM PST up reply actions
Love the caption, BTW
missed it the first time. Just for fun, here’s my first projection of the year:
IP- 217.2 (oddly, he pitched this exact total the last 2 years. So I’ll just assume it continues)
ERA- 3.18
K- 190
BB- 75
HR- 15
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I love Matt Cain
And I’m going to be lazy again and just take pretty much his career averages, minus playing time.
IP: 210
ERA: .353
SO: 175
BB: 83
HR: 20
FIP: 3.96
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
Man
I wish one of those wasn’t a typo ‘cause he’d be a lock for the Cy Young.
"Man, you just can't beat a good bowl of gumbo." ~ William Nuschler Clark
Hahaha yeah, whoops
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
CAIN FORGETS HOW TO WIN
IP 212
ERA 3.43
K 174
BB 81
HRA 15
W-L 9-13
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
So… First ST game is tomorrow. Anyone gonna listen?
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Are they really going to block the knbr stream online for a spring training game? That’d be horrible
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
But for spring training?? that isn’t televised!? Those assholes if its true! I’ll have to bring a radio or something to work as a backup if I can’t stream on knbr then. Thanks for the possibility of this could be impending doom
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
I posted a fanshot about this yesterday
MLB is making the audio-only pack available, and many other teams (Mets, Yanks, Cubs, Indians) are including it as a free throw-in for joining their fan club (which is the same price as the audio pack alone) so some of you in other states (not named Cornball) might come out ahead if the fan pack has some kind of discount on stadium purchases or things you can use as presents for relatives and such.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
carp (paraphrased): "117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"
by natteringnabob on Mar 3, 2010 7:18 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks. Ill have to smuggle a radio into Spanish class
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 2, 2010 8:06 PM PST up reply actions
Get one of those earphones. Put it down your sleeves, in one ear and then cover that ear with your hand (lean on it).
"meh"
Well I have large ears so those little I-Pod headphones wont stay in. That makes things a lot more complicated
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 2, 2010 8:22 PM PST up reply actions
Its either that or stabbing my teacher. Those seem as though they are my only two reasonable choices.
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 2, 2010 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
/Aubrey Huff joke
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
by Gobroks on Mar 2, 2010 8:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Well luckily both my English and Spanish teachers are big(you know what I mean) Giants fans so maybe they wont be mad if they catch me.
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 2, 2010 8:42 PM PST up reply actions
That's pretty cool
My teacher (during the time of the game) is a moderate giants fan but he’d probably be mad if he saw me listening to the game during my AP Govt. test… which I am unprepared for.
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
by Gobroks on Mar 2, 2010 8:45 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
It was actually pretty easy
I guess I was semi prepared for it. Anyway it was about why America is a 2 party system, different types of primary elections & the relationship between the federal govt. and the media
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
HEADPHONES IN THE BUMMY!!
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 3, 2010 8:22 AM PST up reply actions
I wish
in a black and orange cap.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
carp (paraphrased): "117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"
by natteringnabob on Mar 3, 2010 7:19 AM PST up reply actions
Finally, a projection for a player I like and am optimistic about!
IP: 217.2 (this has been his exact inning count two years running, so why mess with it!?)
ERA: 3.36
K: 185
BB: 65
HR: 19
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Great minds
on the IP thing. Or you just stole it from me, one of the two. Jerk.
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No run support. That’s all I got.
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by Giant among Angels on Mar 2, 2010 7:54 PM PST reply actions
Pretty sure the whole staff took over that role.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Mar 2, 2010 8:01 PM PST up reply actions
Slight Regression
GS: 35
IP: 222.1
ERA: 3.17
K: 192
BB: 61
HR: 16
W-L: 15-4
QS: 27
Cain’s Batting Line: .221/.267/.362; 4 HR
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It would be funny if he took a big step forward in his K:BB, but his ERA got worse, so I predict that.
FU, FO
I fail to see the humor in this particular prediction.
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 2, 2010 8:49 PM PST up reply actions
Its fast, black, and Abraham Lincoln?
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 2, 2010 9:11 PM PST up reply actions
say it again
I fucking dare you
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