Giants players speed their way out of the lineup.
Seems as if the faster you are, the less likely you are to make this teams starting lineup.
The team is supposed to manufacture runs because of lack of power. However, we now have some mediocre power hitters who can get into double figures in dingers, but cannot run nor field with any particular prowess. Rowand is supposedly a decent centerfielder but his mediocre speed probably keeps him from getting to plenty of balls, even when he gets a good jump. Lets see what we have in speed and what there expected role will be on the giants going into the Spring.
Andres Torres, fast, good fielder, decent arm, switch hitter, much better from the right side. Only his fielding skills seem to give him a serious chance of making the team as a reserve. He is supposedly out of options. Average base runner though.
Velez, fast, dubious fielder. At times looks very good, at times looks lost. A lot of pop for a guy who weighs only a few more pounds than his skeleton. Has a chance to make the team because of a hot streak last year, and he can play outfield and supposedly second base. His base running skills, at least so far, need tons of work. He is also a switch hitter, but much better from the left side.
Darren Ford, Very fast, has to prove he is major league ready. He supposedly can pick it in the field with the best of them. If he ever makes the majors with the giants, it will be in a few years. However, if they really needed a speedman to pinch run, in key situations, the man can get down those basepaths.
Emmanuel Burriss. Decent speed. So far average base runner at best. Switch hitter. Better supposedly from the right side. Has very little pop. Good range in the field, but he is behind slower, and less rangy infielders ala, Renteria, (more skilled hitter) Uribe (more power) and Sanchez, more seasoned hitter.
Nate Schierholtz. Not as fast as those above, but very decent speed and he may be a better baserunner than a few listed above, especially Velez. Has excellent range in the field, and has an accurate cannon of an arm. His main stumbling block has been a hole in his swing, and lack of the power and patience at the plate. Although slower than those above he has a decent chance to become a starter.
Fred Lewis. Good speed, good OBP, and makes a pitcher work. However his average baserunning at best, and his poor jumps and misreads in the outfield have made his zone rating a joke. Its hard to get to a ball when you are running in on a ball over your head, or running out on a ball in front of you. Despite the fielding problems, one of the main problems he possesses is unfilled promise of power expected by the top brass. , Hence, he has only a fair chance to make the starting lineup, despite his strengths. In his favor is the fact the he is out of options. But he like many others on this team bats lefty.
Posey, not sure of his speed but he is at least twice as fast as Molina.
Frandsen, better than average speed but slower than Lewis, Schierholtz, Burriss, Velez, Ford and Torres. I think he still has options, and despite his flexibility, as an infielder and outfielder, management is not as likely to make him their utility man with 30 something super utility guys like Uribe, and DeRosa, etc,
Outside of a few pitchers who can also run, I cannot think of anyone else with decent speed. Of all the above players for this year, it looks as if Schierholtz has the best chance of cracking the starting lineup..
We could have had a lineup of
Torres/Velez Platoon, Burriss ss, Lewis lf, Sandoval 3B, Posey C, Ishi IB, Schierholtz RF, Frandsen 2b, and at least field a team that could put pressure on the basepaths. Instead of Rowand, Sanchez, Pablo, Huff, DeRosa, Schierholtz, Bengie, Renteria.
The top lineup is unproven but has speed and is much younger. It could improve and drive opposing pitchers batty if they could get on base. The Rowand lineup has more pop. but will be station to station when not hitting the long ball. Of course the later lineup will cost significantly more.
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But if I had to choose, I’d go with the Ishi lineup – at least until I got sick of Velez Burriss and Frandsen all on the same team.
I think the two option have more seperating them than power and vroom.
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Ishikawa, the Topps Rookie All Star Team's First baseman. Does he get a chance in 2010?
I would prefer that Velez and Burriss be nowhere near the team. Ever.
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I think that Burriss has potential; if he can be a good defense SS with a .300 BA and 30+ steals a year (not insane) that’s a pretty good player.
He can’t be that.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 2, 2010 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
He’s only ever hit .300 in low A ball in his life. The rest of his life, he’s struggled to OBP .300. At any level. His defense, I understand, is pretty okay, but not great. But his bat is almost definitely never going to be good enough to let his defense be valuable.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 2, 2010 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
With worse defense!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 2, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, his defensive stats at 2B last year were surprisingly bad, for a guy who made a lot of highlight plays. And his arm is pretty fringy from SS.
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especially burriss. Velez is a 5th outfielder.
Fun Fact: Jonathan Sanchez threw his first no-no on my 13th birthday.
Fred Lewis might be a joke, but I think it’s funnier that you spent so much energy explaining why his zone rating is a misleading piece of crap and didn’t even write two words about how Burriss might be the single least capable hitter out of everyone listed. By a lot. Like, by a whole lot.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
Maybe I’m not being fair. I just think it’s strange to say “its hard to get to a ball when you are running in on a ball over your head, or running out on a ball in front of you” for Lewis when that’s actually Velez’s scouting report, while Velez only gets “dubious fielder” and Burriss doesn’t get a word for his bat other than “has very little pop.” More like “it’s hard to hit singles when you can’t even catch up to major league pitching, much less minor league pitching.”
Frankly, I’d just prefer to see the best players out there.
LF: Lewis? Bowker?
CF: Rowand
RF: Shierholtz / Bowker
3B: Sandoval
SS: Uribe? Frandsen? Sanchez? Renteria? DeRosa?
2B: Uribe? Frandsen? Sanchez? DeRosa?
1B: Huff? Ishikawa?
C: Posey
Oh god, that’s pretty depressing.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 2, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
I have this weird fantasy of Huff sucking and getting replaced by Bowker, Renteria sucking and getting replaced by DeRosa, and Lewis playing left field.
lf: Lewis
cf: Rowand
rf: schierholtz
3b: pandoval
ss: derosa
2b: sanchez
1b: bowker
c: posey
YEAH
DeRosa at short would be pretty hilariously entertaining
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by theghostofjasonellison on Mar 2, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
Though if Sanchez gets hurt and DeRosa moves to second, then Frandsen or Uribe could possibly play there
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by theghostofjasonellison on Mar 2, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
Line up fun
C-Posey
1B-Bowker
2B-Frandsen (until Sanchez is healthy)
SS-Renteria (replaced by Frandsen when Sanchez comes back)
3B-Panda
LF-Lewis
CF-Rowand
RF-DeRosa
1-Lewis (comfort be damned)
2-Frandsen
3-DeRosa
4-Panda
5-Bowker
6-Posey
7-Rowand
8-Renteria
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
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I was tempted by the Lewis/Posey combo in the younger line-up, but I can’t pick any line-up that has Velez starting (even as a platoon) and I’m not sure Torres is real. I’d go with best options we have something like this, but maybe try Bowker at first base and definitely go with Derosa at second base.
by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 2, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
1- Torres and Velez can hardley hit and their speed doesn’t = SB or runs
2- Ford is out of the lineup, he is still in the minors.
3- Burris cannot hit, also see 1
4- Schierholtz has been said to be the fastest guy on the team.
5- You got it.
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I have a hard time believing Schierholtz is the fastest guy on the team. As much as I dislike Velez/Burriss…..those dudes fly. And Fred, not necessarily the quickness guy ever, has an impressive top speed when he gets going. I mean, Schierholtz has decent speed, but I’m not seeing “fastest on the team” type speed….
by Missing Barry on Mar 2, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
He’s fast for his size, but he’s certainly not in the Ford/Velez/Burriss/Torres range. Nate’s fast the same way Dan Ortmeier was fast: for a big ol’ white guy he moves pretty well. Though even there he’s probably not a comp for where Kirk Gibson was at that age.
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I hope some kind of a mix of your 2 lineups gets some runs scored.
Maybe the Velez/Torres platoon in center or somethin.
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I think you put too much emphasis on speed.
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Cost shouldn’t factor in the decision in any manner, it is sunk costs that can never be returned. I don’t know if the Gianst see it that way, but I would hope they could see that if Renteria is still major suckage after a month, the bench or waivers is better place for him. Every player should have to earn keeping the starting role regardless of pay, but a benched Rowand can not gather any trade interest, so you keep throwing him out hoping to improve the chances of a sucker taking him.
I prefer A lineup that doesn't consist of Burriss
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by Giant among Angels on Mar 2, 2010 12:42 PM PST reply actions
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by J. Frank Parnell on Mar 2, 2010 3:24 PM PST reply actions
However his average baserunning at best, and his poor jumps and misreads in the outfield have made his zone rating a joke.
Factually inaccurate. He had a 2.0 EQBRR last year, which is solid. His zone rating is well above average.
The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga
Current Team: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Molina, Renteria, Schierholtz
The Kids' CHONE WAR projection= 12.7
Current Team's CHONE WAR projection= 12.6
I think you failed to read about how his zone rating is a joke.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 2, 2010 5:37 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t get it.
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