Bengie Cold Molina
by mlb22 on Mar 19, 2010 9:00 PM PDT
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"It was a difficult winter," Molina said. "First I thought, 'I'm one of the best three catchers out there, a good clubhouse guy and someone who always puts out a great effort.' I thought I would get more offers. It gets you down a little bit to be treated like that and to not be appreciated for what you've done. It just didn't happen for me on the open market. It's difficult to not get discouraged by that. But nobody is going to feel sorry for you. It's a tough and sometimes rude business. I thought that over the last five years I had proven enough. Obviously people didn't notice."
From ESPN Insider Story:
Molina Makes a Self-Assessment
By Jorge Arangure Jr.
I have made a few talking points bold. Enjoy.
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someone who always puts out a great effort
. . . when the hot young prospect is called up.
That paragraph does NOT make me like him any more. in fact, he’s still the overly sensitive flower.
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And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
Have you seen the RACK on that boy??
Oh…wait.
Plotting the ultimate demise of Gore51 (never met him, I dunno he could be swell) so as to adopt Kyle Nicholson.
"I don’t know much about sabre-stats but there’s nothing better than white tea and poptarts first thing in the morning" - tk
by Whiteteaandpoptarts on Mar 22, 2010 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Bengie’s parent does not like this post!!!
/stomps out of room
Proud parent of Bengie Molina: Buster who?
by The Enchanter on Mar 20, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh geez
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Mar 19, 2010 9:59 PM PDT reply actions
Where exactly is "there", Bengie?
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Mar 19, 2010 10:20 PM PDT reply actions
the Ruth’s Chris Frequent Eaters Club.
Proud parent of the new dominant pitching sensation out of San Diego State University.
He was obviously talking about the catching FA market, not all of major league baseball. He WAS one of the three best catchers out there, but that just speaks to how weak the market was. He should also try and remind himself once in a while that he’s at an age when catchers break down and teams tend to take that into consideration when looking to solve their catching woes.
Dumped Edgar Renteria and adopted Buster Posey. Biggest upgrade since George Jefferson moved up to a deluxe apartment on the east side!
I thought he meant top 3 in the free agent market
i can name many better catchers
1. Joe Mauer
2. Victor Martnez
3. Kurt Suzuki
4. Matt Weinters
5. Brian McCann
6. Miguel Montaro
7.Geovany Soto
8.Mike Napoli
9. Yadier Molina
10. Jeff Clement
I do not want to name any more
"Who Wants some pudding pops?, delicious and nutritious!
Buster (probably)
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
Matt Weiters isn’t better than Bengie yet. I mean, he could be, but he still has to prove it
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/09: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
by Useful_Idiot on Mar 21, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
uhh
Matt Wieters: 1.8 WAR; 385 PA
Bengie Molina: 1.7 WAR; 520 PA
This doesn’t include Bengie’s absolute black hole of a baserunning game either.
Mischievously implosive purple pitching staff.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Mar 22, 2010 3:34 AM PDT up reply actions
-4.5 EQBRR if anybody’s interested!
Smushing fangraphs and baseball prospectus stats together is probably not accepted protocol, but I’ll do it anyway:
Molina ~ 1.25 WAR.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga... CHONE WAR projection= 12.7
Current Team: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Molina, Renteria, Schierholtz... CHONE WAR projection= 12.6
Stands in front of freight trains!
Mischievously implosive purple pitching staff.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Mar 24, 2010 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow I thought this was a joke until I saw the link. If Bengie had picked up the guitar as a little kid he might have had a much more fruitful career, what with all that emotional baggage he’s carrying. In his gut.
If he was a musician, Molina’s body would make John Popper look like Iggy Pop.
The Giants offseason moves - "meh"
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum, who could do whatever he wants to do.
I would attempt an “Emo Bengie” Photoshop if I wasn’t completely and utterly drunk. I’m reallllly hoping that someone puts that together over the weekend.
/slowly looks at natto
.277/.399/.518 out of a shortstop?!
Keep on, keepin' on, Ryan Cavan
The emo Russell Martin comes to mind. One of the better images here
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/09: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
by Useful_Idiot on Mar 21, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
/auto-defenestrates
Dear Internet,
Please fire Brian Sabean.
Signed,
Me
FREE KEVIN FRANDSEN!!! Member of the Frandsen 5% Club.
by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Mar 22, 2010 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
This just makes this team even less likable. A whiny, washed-up, narcissistic catcher? A washed-up, defensively limited, wanna-be porn-star first-baseman? An injury-prone, washed-up, defensively limited shortstop? A manager and general manager who get hard-ons for gamery veteran grit, hate young hitters, and don’t understand the value of getting on-base? Check, check, check, check, and check. I’ll still be listening to every game.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
… I thought you guys were the same person. Even though I know Can of Corn personally on Facebook. I still didn’t realize there was a separate Cornball person. Have you EVER BEEN SEEN IN THE SAME PLACE
Still backing Notgardo, wheresoever he may wander. (Don't forget to wriiiite!)
by tk on Mar 20, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
NO WE HAVE NOT. I AM HE AND HE IS ME.
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And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
I’M CONFUSED!
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
And one us isn't
We are the hermaphroditic specter that stalks you in your dreams.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
I am he as you are he as you are me
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga... CHONE WAR projection= 12.7
Current Team: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Molina, Renteria, Schierholtz... CHONE WAR projection= 12.6
Countered with:
- the most dominant pitcher in NL (and perhaps the coolest)
- his no-nonsense, workhouse counterpart who admits he likes chick flicks
- a cherubic 3rd baseman who displays cray-mad talent and infectious joy for the game
- a bullpen full of talent
- one of the most heralded prospects in all of baseball who may be playing his way onto the big club
- a promising left-handed power hitter who was actually able to change his hitting approach and increase his OBP
- a lefty with some of the best swing-through stuff in the league on the brink of stardom
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
Goofus is right
the team is entirely watchable if you turn down the sound during the Giants ABs and look up in time to see Pablo’s turn.
"I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."- Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Mar 20, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Goofus is right
Those are all great things and I’m on record loving all of them. I really shouldn’t be complaining. It just pisses me off when the guy who was brought back for his GRITTY VETERAN WINNERTUDE INTANGIBULLZ goes off whining and pouting again. This is a player I do not want on my team.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Goofus is right
I think, more than anything, bringing Bengie back was because they thought they can make a run at the division and weren’t confident that Buster’s ready.
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
Goofus is wrong
I think they had a plan all along to bring him back because he was their first/only choice, they just wanted him at a cheaper price.
And if they always planned to re-sign him at the exclusion of any other catcher, that’s just lousy. Particularly since it implies they can plan for this and don’t bother doing so with stuff like arbitration clocks or players coming off career-threatening injuries.
"I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."- Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Mar 20, 2010 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Goofus is right
If they planned on bring back Molina all along, they sure left him dangling and exposed for quite some time.
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
I think that both the Giants and Bengie Molina were expecting a lot more out of the free agent market than was realistic for either one.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 21, 2010 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions
The Price is Right
Actually it isn’t
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/09: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
by Useful_Idiot on Mar 21, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait wait --
porn star?
Still backing Notgardo, wheresoever he may wander. (Don't forget to wriiiite!)
by tk on Mar 20, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Call him what you want
But he is not cocky or a narcisist
He is a good team mate, a good clubhouse guy, humble, does not whine or complain. He is not Milton Bradely, may not be the best hittter or runner, but he is always considered a nice guy on and off the food. That is, if you don’t try to steal his food or joke about his turtle-like speed or horrible on base percentage.
"Who Wants some pudding pops?, delicious and nutritious!
considered a nice guy on and off the food
lulz
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And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
by can of corn on Mar 20, 2010 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Ha I meant field
but its a very funny error eh?
"Who Wants some pudding pops?, delicious and nutritious!
rec'd
"I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."- Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Mar 21, 2010 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions
What do you guys talk about in the clubhouse?
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Mar 20, 2010 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions
but he is always considered a nice guy on and off the food.
Just can’t stop thinking about the post-game spread, eh? Nice try Bengie, but it looks like Freud has blown your cover.
You also forgot to mention not talking about your contract status or playing time, your biggest push button issues by far.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
He doesn’t whine?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 21, 2010 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions
This same poster said the same thing before and several people here proved otherwise.
The Giants offseason moves - "meh"
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum, who could do whatever he wants to do.
does not whine or complain
The mere fact that you posted that here, where the basis of the thread is a link to Molina complaining and whining to press, is astounding.
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IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
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Molina = Good Soldier
Bowker = Bad Soldier.
Wait, I just realized—Brian Sabean traded Scott Barnes for 100 AB’s of Ryan Garko.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Mar 23, 2010 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Look at the pitching staff to feel better.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga... CHONE WAR projection= 12.7
Current Team: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Molina, Renteria, Schierholtz... CHONE WAR projection= 12.6
Aw, poor Bengie-poo.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Bengie’s poo is actually quite impressive.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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He’s been known to consistently surpass the 6 couric threshold
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/09: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
by Useful_Idiot on Mar 21, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, I wonder who he thinks are the best three catchers out there
1) Joe Mauer
2) Brian McCann
3) Bengie Molina
ONE OF THESE THINGS IS NOT LIKE THE OTHER, ONE OF THESE THINGS JUST DOESN’T BELONG
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Well, obviously
Mauer’s first name doesn’t begin with a B.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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Actually,Mauer's initials aren't BM
...Tater Salad
by nick217Giantsfan on Mar 20, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Nice title.
Eagerly anticipating adding to my Giants family.
by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 20, 2010 9:26 AM PDT reply actions
Really.....?
Bengie , Dude, I want to be happy that you got a chance to finish out here, but stop acting like a 12 year old girl.
Matt Downs MLB , Now with More STATZ goodness !Matt Downs Fangraphs The Juan Uribe of 2011 !
/12 year-old girls everywhere insulted
Sometimes, there's a man...well, he's the man for his time and place.
Hi mlb22
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This leads me to conclude that Bengie Molina is a complete idiot. But is that really shocking?
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Glad to etch you in stone!
Sorry about the grammar:(
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Welcome to the home, Ryan Verdugo. Do me proud with your sweet left arm! Also, keep up your undefeated streak. Don't change that 5-0 record!
like my sig?
That is not a sig line, that is a short story.
Matt Downs MLB , Now with More STATZ goodness !Matt Downs Fangraphs The Juan Uribe of 2011 !
Probaby second longest, behind Spaghetti’s
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 21, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
top three catcher?
i think bengie was mixing himself up w yadier…… those damn last names
by slackersphere17 on Mar 20, 2010 3:16 PM PDT reply actions
I think Bengie meant "one of the top three Catchers named Molina".
Matt Downs MLB , Now with More STATZ goodness !Matt Downs Fangraphs The Juan Uribe of 2011 !
win
"I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."- Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Mar 21, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Bengies not even the best catcher on the Giants.
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 20, 2010 3:38 PM PDT reply actions
Not even one of the top 3 catchers on the Giants.
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And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
1. Panda
2. Buster
3. Eli
4. Pedro Feliz
5. Bengie Molina
6. STEVE HOLM
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 20, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh come now. He might be better than Eli.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 21, 2010 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Dont tell me when to come!
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 21, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
HLOLM.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Mar 23, 2010 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Not a team player.
Say hello to Frandsen, Lewis, and Bowker in Sabean’s dog house.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
Too much vet to be in there
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
TOO MUCH GRIT AND SAVVY
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Welcome to the home, Ryan Verdugo. Do me proud with your sweet left arm! Also, keep up your undefeated streak. Don't change that 5-0 record!
I feel for him and can see where he’s coming from, but he should really stop going public with how underappreciated he feels. It’s starting to grate on me
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/09: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Yeah, exactly.
If you’re not getting what you think you’re “owed,” you can respond by either thinking that maybe you have an overly high opinion of yourself, or by thinking that nobody bothered to take notice of how awesome you were over the last five years. Bengie chose the latter.
Also, wasn’t his problem with the Mets (and early Giants) negotiations mostly about the length of the contract and not the money? Even if he views himself as a top catcher, surely he has to realize that an aging, out-of-shape catcher isn’t a smart long-term investment, right? Maybe some of this talk is just trying to save face.
by Seasick fish on Mar 21, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I wish you’d stop complaining about his complaining. It’s starting to grate on me.
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
I wish you'd stop complaining about his complaining about his complaining. It's starting to grate on me.
;-)
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
Could we please stop this? It’s quite grating.
by fantastical on Mar 22, 2010 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Man, I really want some cheese now.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 22, 2010 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Just wait for Goofus's next pun
Those are always super cheesy.
Adoptive parent of Kevin "The Stopgap" Frandsen.
by EliminateMe on Mar 22, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Who do I complain to about that?
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Mar 22, 2010 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope the local media will stop saying he took “less money” to return to the Giants. His contract will end up being worth $6 million when the season is finished. His deal in NY would have been worth less.
The Giants offseason moves - "meh"
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum, who could do whatever he wants to do.
His contract will end up being worth $6 million
Let’s not get pessimistic!
by fantastical on Mar 22, 2010 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree
Rather than seeing the PA vesting clause as a reason to play Molina less, Sabean and Co, will look at the situation differently. They will play Molina more than they otherwise would have so as to not dissrespect him.
The Molina signing was a tragedy IMO.
Broke my will as a Giants fan.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Mar 23, 2010 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn
Tragedy is pretty harsh.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
This article is probably the best argument for why we should have offered him arbitration.
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by tedfordfan on Mar 23, 2010 7:41 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Every time I see this damn headline, mangled Foreigner chords invade my brain. Damn you.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Mar 24, 2010 7:55 AM PDT reply actions
I hear Tone Loc when I read the title.
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Mar 24, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, but I’m not bitter about that.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Mar 24, 2010 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions
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