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I always thought Wash was a cool guy. =/
WHY IS BENGIE?!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 17, 2010 11:16 AM PDT reply actions
THIS MAKES HIM COOLER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by say hey nation on Mar 17, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Marijuana isn't
Cocaine is a whole different thing.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 17, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Meh
Not really. Especially if someone is just doing it recreationally.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
Well, I am not going to go into detail
But I know differently.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 17, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Huh?
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 17, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Change society! Do nothing!
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
LERAN FROM TEH DUTCH!
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by say hey nation on Mar 17, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
SNEAK TO BETTER SOCIETIES
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OPEN YOUR MINDS SHEEPLE
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Hey man, stop oppressing everyone who wants to smoke pot, okay.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 17, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Recreational cocaine use seems like a bit of an odd concept. Not that you can’t do most things recreationally. But with some things, it’s just not a functional arrangement.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 17, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
Cocaine is one of those things where if you do it even once you can die
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Yikes
I guess, but the same could be said about driving.
There isn’t a one size fits all here, some people can handle it recreationally, and some can’t.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
Not to get all high & mighty, but they are both still illegal.
Think of the kids on the site a little bit please. THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
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This is why sfoakbay’s parents banned him from responding here, thus SCREWING UP THE DRAFT FOR ALL TIME!!!
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
Dude. Wait. What?
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Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 17, 2010 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions
/Walrusman joke
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
I suppose that’s true, especially if you’re freebasing it and set yourself on fire accidentally.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Mar 17, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
/Richard Prior match joke
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 17, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
But that doesn’t make it remotely easy to.
The very bad man who traded my first son non-tendered my replacement son. F*ck you Brian Sabean. Leave my children alone.
maybe I should rephrase
Just because you can die doesn’t mean it’s easy to die from it.
The very bad man who traded my first son non-tendered my replacement son. F*ck you Brian Sabean. Leave my children alone.
I bet I could die from cocaine pretty easily. I mean, what’s a lethal amount? Bam. Done.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 17, 2010 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I wonder how MLB does drug testing? For our drug screens, cocaine is out of your system by 2-4 days.
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good knowledge xanthan...
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by natteringnabob on Mar 17, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Not your hair.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
having some work related experience with this as an administrator..
Urine or blood tests are reasonable for most people. They determine “current use” (within 72 hours). Hair tests can determine use as far back as 90 days.
Oddly enough, most water soluble drugs ( Alcohol, Inhaled Cocaine, IV Cocaine, Inhaled Methamphetamine, IV Meth) will dissappear within 72 hours or so for a blood or urine test. Fat soluble drugs (Smoked Cocaine, Meth and Cannabis) can be in your system as long as 30 days (for chronic users) and show up in a urine or blood test. There are of course exceptions, OxyContin has shown signs of remaining in the body more than 14 days. We have had a few of those that started showing up recently.
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Well....
I work for a Tribal Government. I took the job there after I retired from the second largest “consumer goods manufacturer” in the world ( that also happens to be located in your state, hint hint)
It is interesting in the political aspects and cultural differences. Some of the stuff that goes on here would curl your hair. You could not create some of these stories if you tried.
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You work on the Pyramid lake reserve?
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by say hey nation on Mar 17, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Reno-Sparks Indian Colony_Urban Indian Tribe
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I thought he was in Nevada! Hence the NVsfg
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by say hey nation on Mar 17, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
SHERLOCK NATION!
You’re probably right, but I thought he was an east coaster for some reason.
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I thought he was an east coaster for some reason.
Must have been the Cheerwine and boiled peanut references
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Nope…The “second largest consumer goods company in the world” is in Richmond, VA
If I was in Richmond, I would be working for the Powhatan (Southern Renape pawd’tan)
Say Hey is correct…I am now in NV.
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I am confused by the difference between smoked and inhaled cocaine. Is inhaled cocaine snorting?
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by say hey nation on Mar 17, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
**Ding Ding**
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On a side note. Working in a slightly more geriatric crowd I have been amazed at how many people use into there 70’s.
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by say hey nation on Mar 17, 2010 11:20 AM PDT reply actions
I guess it makes sense. Less worry about long-term damage, more aches and pains to overcome, and sometimes more disposable income.
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Most studies seem to show that being old is awesome as long as you aren’t totally broke and in horrible physical shape.
Eat your veggies and take the stairs, folks—-it’s gonna be worth it later on.
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+1
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 17, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s pretty great.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Mar 17, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
If you’re a troll :-) Otherwise it’s a pain in the ass.
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I’m starting to get the long eyebrow hair. Plucking it immediately, because it’s kind of gross
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by SoFa King Mike on Mar 17, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
OMG!
I’m laughing because in the last six months, I’ve started trimming my lonh eyebrow hairs. I was going to make a FB update.
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
Goofus is currently manscaping
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by SoFa King Mike on Mar 17, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Is it so wrong for me to let that garden grow?
I mean, the brows are getting crazy, but character, right?
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
For me it’s going to be nose hair. :(
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 17, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe it will help your beard fill out.
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by xanthan on Mar 17, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec’d!
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by say hey nation on Mar 17, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
The left side of my beard is coming along quite nicely, thank you very much.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 17, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Right side projection: September 2012.
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
That sounds about right.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 17, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
But the stairs hurt my knees and make me tired.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 17, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Do a rail first.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
I LOL everytime I read..
I love this place. That was the secondary slogan of the City of Reno for about two years.
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I’m LOLing that Reno had a SECONDARY slogan. Like the town needs more than one.
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And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
I know....
It’s such a booming metropolis right !
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“Make the biggest little mistake of your life!”
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Ouch..
Dude, I have to live here. Not by choice, it was a relo. I’m sort of in between that second career and retirement. Not moving until I am not working.
I do get to see the Frensoids open the 3A season here in Reno. Almost makes it worth it.
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It’s not that bad. Plus, you’re close to Tahoe. And I’ll bet your Amazon orders get there lightning-quick!
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Good Regional Knowledge
Tahoe is nice, and Amazon orders arrive in about a day. Plus there is 3A baseball now as well. Get to see quite a few prospects from everywhere.
Actually, it’s not that bad of a place. It took me about two years to get comfortable with it. Very anti-tax, anti-government here in Northern NV. They want to bitch about everything, but not spend any money fix it. So…alot like everywhere else right now I guess.
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Where 70’s?
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
by satyricrash on Mar 17, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I used it mostly in the 80’s.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Mar 17, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
HAHA! Poor Josh Hamilton even your manager uses drugs right next to you. Temptations!
by Hobbes2d on Mar 17, 2010 11:25 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Washington: Guys you should really try th….Oh, hi Josh.
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by say hey nation on Mar 17, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I totally didn’t make this connection and I love you for pointing it out.
Goodbye, Steven Johnson, we hardly knew ye. Seriously, that was short.
I'll let you guys in on the scoop
Here’s how it went down. Josh Hamilton was about to have a relapse in the clubhouse. Ron Washington, the guardian angel that he is, sees Hamilton about to rip a line. Like a secret service agent taking a bullet for the president, Washington dives at the glass table, in a fashion similar to Chevy Chase in ‘Modern Problems’. Ron inhales the whole 8 ball in one snort before Hamilton can get his nose dirty. Probably saved Hamilton’s life.
Ron Washington isn’t a drug user, he’s a hero.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Mar 17, 2010 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Nice Story :-)
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From espn.com:
Washington said it was “the one and only time” he used cocaine.
Now why do I not find this believable? At 57, in the middle of the season, he suddenly figures doing coke for the first time would be a good idea? I don’t think so. Nope. Not at all. Especially when he tells SI.com:
“Any attempt to try to explain it is going to sound like excuses,” he said. "There is no right way to explain something wrong, and I did wrong. Was it tension? Maybe. Anxiety?’’
Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/baseball/mlb/03/17/washington/index.html#ixzz0iSiZwHYM
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I think you’re tense, you might want to try a downer, and not, you know, COCAINE!
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He should ask Bochy where he gets his scripts.
by AndOnTheDrums... on Mar 17, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe he just got some bad news and heard somewhere that it would help kick the blues.
by chilibean_3 on Mar 17, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
He shouldn’t have forgotten the fact that he can’t get it back.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 17, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
This is so EPIC. I wish he was our manager.
by AndOnTheDrums... on Mar 17, 2010 12:08 PM PDT reply actions
He was just guarding the line!
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In somewhat related news, I just now figured out the meaning of the name of that Deftones album.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
Yes, it means “around women’s pubic hair.”
by Grant Brisbee on Mar 17, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
So that's what a Saturday Night Wrist is
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There are some things that only Ron Washington can teach you.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 17, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Side-topic: Weirdest anti-drug PSA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agT2GVNQjao&feature=related
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Someone should test Bochy for nerve tonic.
by Grant Brisbee on Mar 17, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
MY GOD
GIGANTISM!
Rafael Rodriguez: #8 on our list, tearing up Scottsdale, and has been alive long enough to see the Warriors make the playoffs once.
All clubhouse personnel are, once a year, per the Mitchell report recommendations. Since they’re not in a union, they get tested for recreational drugs, too, not just PEDs.
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So the players aren’t tested for recreational drugs? All Wilson’s tons and tons of cocaine Timmy’s herb that he got from the dealer Zeets introduced him to? Matt Cain’s chick flicks?
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
I don’t think Wilson’s on cocaine, I think he’s on LSD.
Goodbye, Steven Johnson, we hardly knew ye. Seriously, that was short.
I didn’t either. Tony Kornheiser on PTI said the same thing and also said the front office should be drug tested. (insert Brian Sabean joke here)
The Giants offseason moves - "meh"
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum, who could do whatever he wants to do.
Cocaine’s a powerful drug.
I’m Ron Wasington, bitch!
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by Josh from Hollywood on Mar 17, 2010 1:44 PM PDT reply actions
lol
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Mar 17, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
BROTHA DARKNESS!
FREE BUSTER POSEY
But on the other hand, can Buster Posey match Bengie Molina's spring training heroics? It's debatable.
F YO COUCH
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by SoFa King Mike on Mar 17, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
YOU AS COLD AS ICE
FREE BUSTER POSEY
But on the other hand, can Buster Posey match Bengie Molina's spring training heroics? It's debatable.
5 FINGERS TO THE FACE
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by SoFa King Mike on Mar 17, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
You’re right. That’s a Velez-like effort by me.
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by Josh from Hollywood on Mar 17, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
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Wow, that’s almost as much of a bummer as my typo. Almost.
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by Josh from Hollywood on Mar 17, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
That was like a week before Don Rogers died of the same thing
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Maybe Rowand is taking cocaine. He’s always poopin’.
Cuz, you know, cocaine makes you poop a lot.
Anyone, anyone?
Nah...
only “bad”, cut up cocaine does that. Not that I would know that or anything…that’s just what I’ve heard.
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It just makes your poops seem really fabulous.
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by Johnny Disaster on Mar 17, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, I don’t need this cocaine for that. Man, what a waste of money.
Now I have to flush two things.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 17, 2010 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Texas is going to fire him, aren’t they? Not like he has a union to protect him.
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by rxmeister on Mar 17, 2010 6:57 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Even though we ain’t got hats or badges
We’re a union just by sayin’ so!
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
Actually I just read that they cant fire him, because they gave Josh Hamilton a second chance, and that would be hypocritical. That seems completely different to me though.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 17, 2010 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
The whole “second chance” thing bugs me too. Does this mean that all his players who have never done drugs can now go out and fo whatever they want, because if caught they’ll be allowed a second chance? Not only that, but Hamilton’s a young guy and everyone does things when they’re young and experimenting. As an older man and the man the players look to for leadership, he has to know better. And you know what bugs me the most? The bullshit “I only did it once” explanation. You’re 57 years old and at the age of 56 you decided to try coke for the first time in your life? No second chances IMO for people that don’t own up.
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by rxmeister on Mar 18, 2010 5:22 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Ron Washington: Between the White Lines…
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
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White line, running through my mind.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 17, 2010 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Rang dang diggity dang-di-dang
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Mar 18, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
The question should: who in the hell leaked this info out?? His positive test should have been kept confidential.
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All drugs should be legal
Victimless crimes aren’t crimes.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
My Son was the third most valuable Giant position player by WAR in 2009. A little sad, a little happy.
When they come with a high chance of creating victims, though, that argument sort of falls to shit.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 17, 2010 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions
The illegality of drugs makes far more victims
than the drugs themselves do
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
My Son was the third most valuable Giant position player by WAR in 2009. A little sad, a little happy.
Yeah, because making it easy for people to become addicted to cocaine is really going to curb illegal use. Even legal drug use comes with legal limits. Unless you’re actually talking about eliminating all legal limits on drug use, people are going to need to use illegally to feed addictions. So you’re basically saying, “we’ll make a little bit of cocaine legal – but not a lot! Because that would be bad. But yeah, just enough to get you addicted. But not enough to satisfy your addiction. Because that would be bad.”
It’s not a good plan. It’s a shitty plan.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 18, 2010 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions
You can actually make a case for some drugs. Marijuana, for instance, particular in relation to alcohol laws, can be argued quite intelligently as a drug that could stand to be legalized. Regardless of my opinion, I admit that you can make that case and not sound like a lunatic.
But drugs like cocaine? Cocaine use is not victimless. Even legally, it wouldn’t be victimless. It fucks lives up. And it doesn’t serve many purposes outside of fucking lives up.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 18, 2010 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm talking about eliminating all legal limits on drug use.
Al Capone killed hundreds of people while running illegal liquor. Legal alcohol distributors don’t kill anyone.
Making drugs illegal makes the problem worse. Alcohol fucks lives up and serves no purpose outside of fucking them up. That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be free to drink, and you should be free to snort as much coke as you want too.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
My Son was the third most valuable Giant position player by WAR in 2009. A little sad, a little happy.
Alcohol fucks lives up and serves no purpose outside of fucking them up.
Andrea Immer and the Crane brothers are appalled. Wine is grape juice that has done strange and wonderful things to itself and is delicious when done right. I don’t like the taste of marijuana and cocaine makes my tongue numb.
It’s all about the food.
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
Making drugs legal would mean that the Govt would regulate and tax and license sellers. I’ll tell you right now that 99% of the people selling drugs now would not be allowed to legally sell drugs, meaning that we would till have illegal drugs on the streets. Legalizing drugs isn’t a good answer to stop crime and violence associated with them. If you want to stop that you have to stop the demand and the best way to do that is to be more socially accepting of addiction and the treatment of it. The first step would be allowing people who are using to have access to govt controlled drugs in a controlled setting and only in a control setting. (IE a clean room, with medical staff and only if the person wants, an addiction counselor.)
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by say hey nation on Mar 18, 2010 6:04 AM PDT up reply actions
If there was no Prohibition, Al Capone would have found another way to make a shit load of money illegally while killing hundreds of people who got in his way.
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So you're saying
That all the people who died during the rampant crime of the prohibition era would have died anyway?
I didn’t know we still had prohibition apologists around these days.
Find me one argument for the illegality of drugs that can’t also apply to illegalizing alcohol.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
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The alcohol double standard isn’t a good way to approach the legalize drugs argument for very many contexts outside of pot. For all the ways that alcohol is harmful and that alcohol laws are screwed up, it’s not equatable with cocaine.
Also, the prohibition argument is really a pretty fucked up one. Prohibition collapsed under itself because alcohol use was so ingrained in society (literally, thousands of years of socially acceptable and encouraged drinking traditions), that people – right or wrong – simply feel entitled to its use. Take away something that millions of people feel entitled to, and some seriously unpleasant shit is going to happen.
Cocaine doesn’t have the benefit of entitlement to support its legality. There are not millions of people in this country who – again, right or wrong – just feel like it’s a normal part of everyday life.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 18, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
So because some obscure amount of people don’t feel entitled to snort coke, someone else shouldn’t be free to?
And alcohol kills tens of thousands of people a year. Illegal drugs, far far less.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
My Son was the third most valuable Giant position player by WAR in 2009. A little sad, a little happy.
Millions of people not feeling entitled to cocaine use is not an obscure amount. An obscure amount would be, like, seven. Really, don’t be ridiculous.
And also, I’m not arguing with you that alcohol abuse is bad. But you’re ignoring every single social ramification that has to do with the already tenuous comparison. Culturally, alcohol and cocaine are nowhere near the same level. Topically, cocaine is a stronger, far more highly addictive more inherently destructive drug to begin with. And chemically, they are remarkably dissimilar.
But the point really is that if “alcohol is legal” is the argument that you have to crutch on for saying cocaine should be legal, you really don’t have much of a case. A does not equal B. Socially, topically, chemically, and factually… not equal. Nor should we treat it like it is.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 18, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
No I was making a statement on Al Capone and the human characteristic to profit from inflicting fear & brutality on others.
I have no argument over the the comparison of alcohol to other drugs, other then it’s the lesser evil. Heck, most doctors will say you should drink at least one glass of alcohol a day. And like howie said, trying to enforce a restriction on something society deemed acceptable was not a smart decision. But when Prohibition ended, did that really eliminate the negative causes alcohol has on our society? Has it eliminated drunk driving? How many people died yesterday due to alcohol on a day where over-drinking has become accepted by our society? Would we be taking a step forward in the direction of stopping addiction of cocaine if we legalized it?
Addiction to alcohol leads to crime, death & brutality of others. It doesn’t just effect the individual, it has a negative reaction on society. Addiction to any drug needs to be prevented, and acceptance is not the course of action.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
This is, at least, an intellectually consistant argument
But the minute you start demanding that the government make illegal those things which are bad for us (and anything which is bad for an individual CAN be made to seem bad for “society”), you start losing a lot more freedom than perhaps you bargained for.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
My Son was the third most valuable Giant position player by WAR in 2009. A little sad, a little happy.
And you’re painting dissimilar things with too wide a brush. You’re not treating the issue with the intellectual discretion that it deserves. if you throw enough things under the same blanket, you can really lose sight of the significant differences between them.
But the minute you start demanding that the government make illegal those things which are bad for us… you start losing a lot more freedom than perhaps you bargained for.
I don’t think you’re even making sense anymore. So, when we finally make cocaine illegal, then we’re going to start seeing other things that we like becoming illegal? The change you’re calling for isn’t one to strip rights. It’s not to take something away, or to set a precedent for something else to be taken away. That precedent is already set, and we’re not actually losing any more “freedom” than any of us bargained for. I mean, tell me one freedom that’s not completely stupid that the illegality of cocaine later set a precedent for me to lose? Just one. No more than that. Really.
And beyond that, your argument up to that nonsensical point really seemed to be that alcohol is a terrible thing, the legality of which is a terrible thing. But it was illegal once, and that was worse. And so it stands to reason that everything should be legal, because making things legal makes it better – as proved by prohibition. And any and all social or otherwise factual context that caused prohibition to fail simply don’t matter.
You’re trying very hard to make a broad, easy, intellectually dismissive argument sound good. “Alcohol proves that all drugs should be legal, regardless of silly things like facts and context”.
Whatever. I’m out.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 18, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
U AN UR NUANSED THINKNG!
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
by shanghaijim on Mar 18, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Seeing what society has done with the freedom of alcohol, I’m in no hurry to see what we would do with the freedom of more potent drugs.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
(So don’tcha) Tell it to me, tell it to me
Drink the corn liquor, let the cocaine be
Cocaine gonna kill my honey dead
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
by shanghaijim on Mar 18, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Uncle Slayton’s got his Texan pride
Back in the thickets with his Asian bride
He’s got a Airstream trailer and a Holstein cow
He still makes whiskey ‘cause he still knows how
He plays that Choctaw bingo every Friday night
You know he had to leave Texas but he won’t say why
He owns a quarter section up by Lake Eufala
Caught a great big ol’ blue cat on a driftin’ jug line
Sells his hardwood timber to the shipping mill
Cooks that crystal meth because the shine don’t sell
He cooks that crystal meth because the shine don’t sell
You know he likes his money he don’t mind the smell
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Mar 18, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I actually think I agree with GiantPain
I’ve never tried hard drugs, but to me there is no doubt that legalizing drugs will dramatically curb violent crimes in regards to drug distribution. There are so many innocent victims from these crimes every year.
Conversely, there is no doubt in my mind that legalizing everything will lead to more addiction and in the case of drugs like crack and meth (from what I read), there will likely be more violent crimes just b/c tweekers will be more tweeked. Although drugs would be cheaper and easier to get, so that might mitigate the difference to some extent.
For me it comes down two questions that I don’t know the answer to. Is there more carnage caused by all of the illegal activity caused by gangs/hoods distributing the drugs? Or would the overdoses and the additional crimes caused by the extra addicts (if drugs were legalized) be an even more dangerous situation?
I really don’t think it’s black and white, but if you’re thinking globally in particular (Juarez cough, cough) there is some logic (IMO) to just legalizing everything, getting rid of the insane profits and hence most of the insane violence that accompanies drug distribution. I really do go back and forth on this one, so I reserve the right to change my mind in then next post.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Mar 19, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
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