The Personal Side of Baseball
by Grant on Mar 10, 2010 12:43 PM PST
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Every set and subset of Giants fans has that one player who drives them nuts. Here in elitist know-it-all land it’s Eugenio Velez. In the wilds of the unwashed, ignorant masses, it’s Fred Lewis. When Velez runs the bases, I expect him to do something bizarre -- say, dig several feet below the mound looking for the fabled "fifth base," which sounds weird, but no more so than sliding ten feet past second base. When he’s at the plate, I expect two things: a distinguished display of impatience, and a wild, sack-of-antlers-in-the-spin-cycle swing. When he succeeds, I call it a fluke. When he doesn’t, it’s because he’s only one of the best 10,000 baseball players in the world, and not the best 1,000, but I still call it other, less savory things.
But I don’t know Eugenio Velez. I don’t know if he likes backgammon, Clive Cussler novels, falconry, and long walks on the beach. I don’t know if he’s the kind of guy who will pick you up from the airport at 3:00 a.m., and I don’t know if he’s the kind of guy who passes up the last glass of milk because he knows you have a bowl of Cinnamon Toast Crunch left. When he’s on the field, he’s a part of the theater. I pretend that I don’t have any other problems except for the team opposing the Giants, and Velez is a character in that pretend-world. I’m not sure if I want to know if Velez is a great guy. He does just fine as the oft-maddening, speedy extra that he is.
Sometimes, though, you’re reminded that baseball is filled with people. The game isn’t like the Hall of Presidents at Disneyland, where animatronic figures do a little jig for your amusement. Well, maybe Velez looks a little like Lincoln, but that’s not the point. And, heck, Velez isn’t even really the point; he’s just one example. It’s just as tough to find out that a truly great player is a truly troubled human. And maybe the toughest thing at all is to read about a guy hanging it up after years of riding buses.
Which brings us to Garrett Broshius, who is retiring after six seasons in the Giants organization and recently wrote a thank-you note to all of the people and fans he met over minor league career. Just over a year after leaving the University of Missouri, Broshius was playing at Fresno, knocking on the door of the major leagues. Five years later, he retires without having ever pitched in the majors. There was no crushing injury, no Lifetime movie-of-the-week reason for this. He was effective and efficient in almost every season. For some reason, things line up for a guy like Ryan Sadowski where they don’t for a guy like Broshius. There’s no science to it.
Broshius was talented enough to share his minor league career with us through columns in The Sporting News, Baseball America, and his blog, so he became a bit of a fan favorite. How can you not root for a guy who writes things like this:
A conversation with Steve Kline is like a conversation with a flying cow. Even if you don't learn anything, it's going to be memorable.
It’s easy to read a name on a minor league transaction log and forget all about it by the time you’ve tweeted your choice of toilet paper. That’s what it’s like when the players are just names or faceless entities. Brett Pill doesn’t walk enough, and the Giants should trade him for a middle reliever. See? That’s easy to write from my perch in nerd world.
But Pill is a guy who probably works hard as heck, who hasn’t had anything handed to him, and it would be a fine story if he came up. Pablo Sandoval is mirthful and jolly. Barry Bonds is, uh, complicated. Omar Vizquel wears shirts that seem like they’re lit by six C-batteries. And Garrett Broshius probably knows where to get a good sandwich at a good price in Akron, and he can write a mighty fine story about it if he wants to. That's all pretty danged cool to know, even if it makes it a little harder to see things in a binary, my team/your team kind of way. It’s easier not to know anything about the players we root for, but it's also a hell of a lot less interesting.
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well said Grant
we all wish Garrett had at least got a cup of coffee before he decided to hang it up. Sounds like he has been battling some kind of injury, and I guess that pushed him to retire.
If you don't like Brandon Medders you're not a true fan.
Technically speaking, all writing is quality. It’s just a matter of what kind.
(Colloquially speaking, though, you obviously mean “high-quality”)
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 10, 2010 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
That's some nit-picking
Well, all nit-picking is some nit-picking, but….ah, forget it
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
Technically, forgetting is just remembering poorly.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Mar 10, 2010 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
Misremembering.
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
#2 in Fanshots
What did you call me?
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Mar 10, 2010 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
Technically, no one here is speaking.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Howie talks aloud while he types.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 10, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
He also makes vroom-vroom sounds while driving.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Mar 10, 2010 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
And fart noises during Aaron Rowand at-bats.
Possible uses for your Steven Johnson: 5th starter, long reliever, batboy, go-fer, food taster. Just keep him on the roster!
And "boing boing" sounds when he's jumping
like the kangaroo in Far Side
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
“to make a written statement” is a perfectly valid definition of “to speak.” So technically, they are.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 10, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
How can you? That is a lot of fucking islands.
Your bench player is our #5 hitter!!!
by Mr. Angry on Mar 11, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I have a similar problem with people who talk about others having “good taste.” Wrong. Others either have taste similar to yours, or not.
Good job keeping the pedants fed, by the way.
Some people have good taste that’s not similar to mine.
Adoptive parent of Kevin "The Stopgap" Frandsen.
by EliminateMe on Mar 11, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
I agree with your premise. However, I also think there is definitely such a thing as bad taste.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 11, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
This is actually where I get all fidgety. I certainly hate some people’s taste, but where is the line drawn between taste I disagree with and “bad” taste? What’s the measure?
I actually hid the answer to your question in my above comment.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 11, 2010 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
The answer to that question is hidden somewhere in this thread!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 11, 2010 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
I’m allergic, so it will just make it swell. Which actually doesn’t seem counterproductive….
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 11, 2010 7:05 PM PST up reply actions
Grant sometimes produces some quality writing. Sometimes……..
Randy Hahn: "I’ve been referred to as a playa…"
Don't coy
He always does.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 10, 2010 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
Since now.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 11, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
Let’s solution this!
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Let’s do.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 11, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
I have “Let’s solution this” on my Bullshit Bingo card. I just need a “Game Changing Technologies” for Bingo!
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 11, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
But if the technologies change the game, is there a guarantee you’ll still even be playing BINGO? Could this sabotage your win?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 11, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
I'm down to
“Low-Hanging Fruit”
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
carp (paraphrased): "117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"
by natteringnabob on Mar 11, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
They mostly come at night. Mostly.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Mar 10, 2010 8:45 PM PST up reply actions
Just another comment praising this entry. Funny even when discussing a somewhat sentimental topic – very well-written.
Eagerly anticipating adding to my Giants family.
by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 10, 2010 12:58 PM PST reply actions
NEWSFLASH
you’re really good at writing things. Nicely done
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
Baseball players are people and so are celebrities, employees, politicians, etc. All are often treated unfairly. Assholes are praised. Awesome people are scorned. Baseball is no different then anything else.
Baseball is nodifferentawesomer then anything else.
Fixed
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by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 10, 2010 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
Baseball is way awesomer than celebrities, politics, etc.
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/09: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
by Useful_Idiot on Mar 10, 2010 8:49 PM PST up reply actions
Oops, I meant to cross out “no” as well, so that it read baseball is awesomer than anything else. Reply fail. Ah well.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 11, 2010 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
Yep
They’re just like you and me, except (most of them) can hit curveballs.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Mar 10, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
I had a little spring training of my own over the weekend. A buddy of mine had a killer curve & changeup in HS. This weekend he was impressed that I finally hit his curveball. I didn’t have the heart to tell him that his curve is no longer curving.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Zorak could be the nicest guy in the world
It would still drive me crazy watching him play baseball.
Chester A. Arthur RULZ!!!
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 10, 2010 1:15 PM PST reply actions
oh, for the days when presidents had facial hair
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I’d vote for that beard. Or is it a mustache? Or mutton chops? I can’t tell, but I love it.
Eagerly anticipating adding to my Giants family.
by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 10, 2010 1:41 PM PST up reply actions
Wow, that’s a real thing?
Similar note, I once met one of the U.S. competitors for the annual International Beard Competition. I just missed seeing the competition this year too.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 10, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
Jack Passion was in my graduating class when I went to UC Santa Cruz.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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I think I could build a house out of that man’s beard.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 10, 2010 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
Mr. F! | comics | art | New Nattowear | Unofficial McImage Directory
hurrrrrrrrrrrumph
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Mar 10, 2010 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
your argument is invalid
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Hot-lips Hulihee?
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Mar 10, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
hmm..
Not much. Even Howie puts that to shame
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/09: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
by Useful_Idiot on Mar 10, 2010 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
Kind of in this boat. He does ty hard. If he is ona squad figured to lose 90+ game and a this age or younger I rther enjoy him. But seriously is the canary in the no Post Season Mine. If he is on the 25 man for any significant ammounts of play off team thta team is not in conttention for teh Post Season.
Threat level that the 2010 Pads finish with more wins than the 2010 Giants is currently at - 25%
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I am Kind of in this boat. He does try hard. If he is on a squad figured to lose 90+ game and at this age or younger I rather enjoy him. But seriously he is the canary in the no Post Season Mine. If he is on a 25 man for any significant amounts of play time team that team is not in contention for the Post Season. An no amount of " WE ARE IN THIS !!!" changes this.
Threat level that the 2010 Pads finish with more wins than the 2010 Giants is currently at - 25%
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Mar 14, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
As much as it would be a dream come true to be a baseball GM, there is the whole “crushing someone’s lifelong dream because they couldn’t ISO over .115” aspect that I am glad I’m not a part of.
Cursing Velez is easier to do when I focus on his inability to catch a flyball rather than focus on him as a person. As DFAR mentioned above this tendency isn’t reserved for ball players, however I find it hard to believe that this planet might be a little better place if people recognized the human side of things more.
//Back to reality: WaMu OTC shares are trading up. WooHoo.
Please tell me we have moved past the dark ages of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
That would be tough, but unfortunately where there is a large group of people competing for a small pool of spots and different talent levels are manifested in results, decision makers generally should not give a crap about the personal stories.
Sometimes, life sucks.
Eagerly anticipating adding to my Giants family.
by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 10, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
I completly agree
Which is a reason I’m glad I’m not a decision maker in MLB.
Please tell me we have moved past the dark ages of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
by Yeti Monster on Mar 10, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
Which is funny..
..because I’m able to remove emotion from decisions when at work.
Possibly because I was one of the many who had the dream of playing in the bigs, and I know what it’s like to come to the realization that the dream will never be fulfilled. I was able to play competitively into my 20s, and for that I am very lucky, but that doesn’t make the final outcome any easier to swallow
Please tell me we have moved past the dark ages of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
by Yeti Monster on Mar 10, 2010 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe your personal connection to minor leaguers (sorry it didn’t work out, but still jealous you had that shot) is why it would be difficult for you to be a decision maker in baseball.
Eagerly anticipating adding to my Giants family.
by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 10, 2010 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
i paid to play until I was 44, and hanging them up was still a very difficult transition
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Mar 10, 2010 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
I played through college and even though it’s been 10 years since I last played I still have some difficulty accepting that it’s over.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
I quit when I was 13 for geography reasons and I still have fantasies where I discover a 95 MPH fastball and get drafted.
Possible uses for your Steven Johnson: 5th starter, long reliever, batboy, go-fer, food taster. Just keep him on the roster!
It’s been about ten years since I though I had a shot. Each year I make it to the cages once or twice thinking that magically I’ll learn how to hit. So far, no luck.
Please tell me we have moved past the dark ages of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
by Yeti Monster on Mar 10, 2010 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
I quit the summer between jr/sr high. I was playing in 16 year old league and didn’t know anyone on my team. I played the minimum required innings per game.Catcher was injured for the rest of the season and instead of playing a bench player more (like me or some other non friends of the coach and his son) the coach brought his sons friend on the team and played him full time. I quit and wish I had not know.
Since I turned 25 on Monday my hopes of playing baseball through open tryouts is over ;(
Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!
by say hey nation on Mar 10, 2010 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
The Downward Spiral
You should have seen my Wiffle slurve.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Mar 11, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
I've NEVER played sports competitively
and I dream about playing in the NFL like nobody’s business. Pretty convinced I’d be good, too.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
I still think I could play the outfield better than at least a quarter of the players in the bigs right now.
I’d be a great 25th man, late-inning defensive replacement who was never allowed to bat. :)
by The Double Deuce on Mar 10, 2010 5:22 PM PST up reply actions
Andres Torres V 2.0
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
Don't mock the dude who had our 2nd highest OPS last season
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
My Son was the third most valuable Giant position player by WAR in 2009. A little sad, a little happy.
LOL sample size
FWIW I do like Torres.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
Broshius is an awesome writer, it’ll be good to read his book someday about his life in the minor leagues, including the stories he couldn’t tell on his blog. Good stuff.
Somewhat OT: It is amazing to me that all of the big four professional athletes, baseball players are the least educated. I don’t know the statistics off-hand, but a lot of them go straight from high school to the pros; obviously can’t do that in football and basketball.
I would kill to read something book-length from Broshius about his life in the minors. Mebbe Mr. Brisbee could write the foreword.
by non sequitur on Mar 10, 2010 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
me too
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
carp (paraphrased): "117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"
by natteringnabob on Mar 10, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
Already told him so via tweetorz. I hope he’ll do it.
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
I think basketball players are a close second, though
the really good ones only go to college for a year, and they don’t take it seriously. In basketball kids are scooped up into AAU programs in like 8th grade, so they never need to take education seriously if they’re really good.
I’m thinking football players are some of the smarter ones, since they have to go to school longer and many know that their careers will be shorter than in other sports, so they need to have a backup plan. That could be completely wrong, though.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
positional adjustment
not a lot of chemistry majors at cornerback…
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
carp (paraphrased): "117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"
by natteringnabob on Mar 10, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
yeah. more education doesn’t necessarily equal being ‘smarter’. it simply means they’ve had more education.
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
Super Rodgers Bros.
#52
that said, football might be the most mentally demanding sport. so many schemes, coverages, offenses, etc. to learn.
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
Super Rodgers Bros.
#52
Yeah, I think you’re right, especially at certain positions in football you really have to understand what’s going on around you, know the playbook.
Re: education, agreed. I was somewhat implying not as smart, but considering they’re getting paid to play baseball and I’m not, that’s pretty smart on their end.
Let me play devil’s advocate for just a moment, and understand it’s because I believe you make a very interesting argument. I write this with no snark and no attitude. I’d like to get your take on this:
“Smarter” or any synonym thereof can have many implications. I went to college at a mid-size state university, but I still think it made me smarter. I can’t fix a particle accelerator or broker peace in the Middle East. But yeah, I’m smarter than if I had stopped after high school.
A person’s “smarts” can take many forms. They could be anything, from accepting the diversity of ideas to artistic creativity to better ways of accomplishing one’s chosen vocation. All of those things and more can be achieved through higher education.
So simply saying “It’s just more education” sells the process way short. At the least, I wish you’d warned me before I spent all that money to get a degree.
that's not what I was saying
I assume, for example, you went to class. And that you ended up with, or near, a degree. Or at least taking classes in some semblance of a degree program. I have seen many a “junior” or “senior” football player list their major as “undeclared” or “general studies”, which implies that they’re not doing what you did in school.
Not saying that baseball collegians necessarily get more out of college than football collegians. But I’m definitely not going to say that DBs and WRs are on average smarter because they went to college. On average, those guys score about the same on the Wonderlic as security guards. That’s quite a statement for four or five years of college education.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonderlic_Test
I’d also speculate that there is in general a lot more alumni pressure to pass football players than baseball players. I’d like to think that the baseball players that choose to go to college rather than sign on with a team do so (occasionally at least) because they want to go to school. Football players HAVE to play in college to go to the NFL, for all intents and purposes.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
carp (paraphrased): "117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"
by natteringnabob on Mar 10, 2010 5:35 PM PST up reply actions
Ah, yes. That’s a good point. I’ve seen the undeclared status many a time in collegiate athletics. And you’re right about care being a huge factor. I could have blown the money and ended up with nothing. The fact that I have a B.A. today is due to my wanting it (and wanting to work for it).
There’s the maturity factor, too, which you alluded to. I guess some prospects intentionally stall their own draft eligibility to continue in their studies, and that’s another mark in the “wanting to work for it” column. Higher ed is a choice, and both choices can be valid.
I’m sure most players are decent people, but it’s a documented fact, however, that before signing with the Dodgers they make you punch a kitten in the face.
Monday Monkey lives for the weekend, sir.
Just like Soilent Green.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 10, 2010 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
So… We can eat ’em?
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
golf clap
Also, I’m backing the Steve Kline quote 100%. Dude talked my and Tracy’s ears off at Fenway a coupla years ago. He was outrageous, hilarious, and brutally honest. Nuff respect to Kline, Broshius, and Grant.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Delorean has a weakness for the hairy guys
WHY IS BENGIE?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 10, 2010 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
I think he has a weakness for goofy West Virginians. Hide, Xanthan!
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
well xanthan has androgenous female journalists in Milwaukee on lock down
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Mar 10, 2010 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
So delorean didn’t sleep with Kline? For shame…
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by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 10, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
Dude almost crushed my shoulder with his bear paw.
A conversation with him during Spring Training had me picturing myself as the kid who listened to the crazy talk coming out of Peter Graves’ mouth in Airplane. “Say, do you like gladiator films?”
Another time, one of my female friends and her friends were waiting for their ride outside of AT&T late after a game. According to her, their ride was super late and there was no one else along the street. Steve was getting cash out of the ATM nearby, and offered to stay to make sure they get home safely. Turns out their ride didn’t get there for another hour, but Steve stuck around and chit chatted with them.
Steve Kline = awesome dude.
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Mar 10, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
have you ever been in a men’s locker room?
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
Super Rodgers Bros.
#52
I had to look it up. The kid’s name was Joey.
I’m picturing Kline with Joey Martinez saying to him, “Joey, have you ever been to a Turkish prison?”
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Mar 10, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
“Have you ever seen a grown man naked?”
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
+109 x 109
Well said, Grant.
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner
by walkoff baltimore chop on Mar 10, 2010 1:32 PM PST reply actions
Don’t make me like him as a person!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 10, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
I saw Velez during calisthenics the day of the three inning intrasquad game.
I remember catching glimpses of him during televised games last year, and he always seemed pretty upbeat…but that day he looked pretty unhappy.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Mar 11, 2010 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
Velez the ballplayer: Repugnant.
Velez the human being: HIstory’s Greatest Monster.
It’s Science.
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And...
I personally feel sorry for Torii Hunter’s dumbassness
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
Velez likes pina coladas
and getting caught in the rain.
Plotting the ultimate demise of Gore51 (never met him, I dunno he could be swell) so as to adopt Kyle Nicholson.
"I don’t know much about sabre-stats but there’s nothing better than white tea and poptarts first thing in the morning" - tk
by Whiteteaandpoptarts on Mar 10, 2010 1:51 PM PST reply actions
Ha!
Eagerly anticipating adding to my Giants family.
by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 10, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
Johnny 5 is alive.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Your mother was a snowblower!
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
Gross.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 10, 2010 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
JT didn't mind
WHY IS BENGIE?!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 10, 2010 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=snow+blow
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 10, 2010 7:43 PM PST up reply actions
It’s probably both.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 10, 2010 7:56 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t why anyone would do either.
The Giants offseason moves - "meh"
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum, who could do whatever he wants to do.
how do they separate the sperm from the semen? just askin’
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Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Mar 10, 2010 8:00 PM PST up reply actions
centrifuge
duh.
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Hey, to each his or her own.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 10, 2010 8:03 PM PST up reply actions
oh nooooooo
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Wasn’t this part of the dialogue in the first Clerks?
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by Giant among Angels on Mar 10, 2010 8:52 PM PST up reply actions
Yep
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It was also in that movie Stepmom with Julia Roberts.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 11, 2010 8:38 AM PST up reply actions
lint licker
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by shanghaijim on Mar 10, 2010 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
Los Locos kick your balls into outer space!
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Mar 10, 2010 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
day after tomorrow: xanthan is gum
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Mar 11, 2010 12:54 AM PST up reply actions
Nice piece and while ..
Velez could be Mother Teresa in spikes feeding the indigent in Arizona and hurray for that, he still throws behind runners, tries to stretch a double to a triple with no one out in the 8th of a tie game (not over it, and never will be over The Estes Slide or the Baby Bull trade for that matter), etc., etc. Poor Velez … one cannot play in the majors if one doesn’t know how to play baseball, one says. Well, this one.
by GiantMalcontent on Mar 10, 2010 2:08 PM PST reply actions
Your name seems well chosen.
But I agree on Velez, he just does not seem to have a head for the game.
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If this be true, and also with Flew...
…how is it they’re bouncing around the bigs? Wouldn’t knowing coaches have seen the signs earlier, or are we that starved for halfway competent talent?
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by victor frankenstein on Mar 11, 2010 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
bravo, Grant...
…and best of luck, Garrett
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Nice piece
But who the heck puts milk on their Cinnamon Toast Crunch? Fail.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
Milk tears my insides up.
Got to go with soy milk on this one
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by SoFa King Mike on Mar 10, 2010 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
I have actually. I make my own as well.
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Mar 10, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
This is awesome. I’ve been meaning to look up making almond milk. I’ve noticed some sketchy ingredients on the store bought stuff.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
I’ve done this with hazelnuts as well. So delicious in coffee.
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Mar 10, 2010 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
This may be relevant to my mother’s interests.
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Milking nuts?
(Sorry, couldn’t resist. Well, could have, but chose not to.)
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by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 10, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
Same goes for coconut milk.
Please tell me we have moved past the dark ages of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
by Yeti Monster on Mar 10, 2010 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
Can’t drink too much coconut milk. It makes too good of a laxative.
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by SoFa King Mike on Mar 10, 2010 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
I tried to drink coconut milk straight from a coconut… it was meh.
And yes I used the right coconut!
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by say hey nation on Mar 10, 2010 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
The liquid inside the coconut..
..is coconut water, not milk. Sorry to get technical and whatnot.
Please tell me we have moved past the dark ages of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
by Yeti Monster on Mar 10, 2010 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
No, I made it.
Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!
by say hey nation on Mar 10, 2010 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry, I misunderstood
Please tell me we have moved past the dark ages of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
by Yeti Monster on Mar 10, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
ahem, it says so on the can
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by SoFa King Mike on Mar 10, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
Coconut milk is made from the flesh of mature coconuts. Coconut water is the liquid inside a young coconut.
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Chococo Taco?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Mar 10, 2010 6:21 PM PST up reply actions
I like both
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That sounds surprisingly perverted.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 10, 2010 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
Perversion is in the eye of the beholder. I for one prefer the milk from the flesh of a mature one over the liquid from a young one.
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Mar 10, 2010 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
You and I both.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 11, 2010 8:39 AM PST up reply actions
Coconut water is a refreshing drink on a hot day.
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It’s fantastic after a bikram yoga session. Less caloric than sports drinks, decent amount of K.
One of those and a liter of water and I’m back to normal.
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"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
…back to normal
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Mar 11, 2010 12:53 AM PST up reply actions
I’ve started doing Bikram Yoga recently, despite not really believing much in the way of the claims made by it’s creator. I was surprised to find that most of my classmates feel the same way.
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Yoga is great
so long as you throw out all the spiritual crap, at least in my experience. The actual exercise is realllyyy nice
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Yoga seems like a luxury to me. If I had a ton of time then I would do it. Since it’s an hour and a half usually it seems like you can get a much better workout in a lot less time.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
It's all about what you want from a workout I guess
it won’t get you buff, but it will tone your ass up and make you realllyyy flexible. And in good shape.
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Yeah but I think you could tone your ass and improve flexibility with other workouts in less time.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
Meh maybe
I’m not a big yoga person, but we did it in school a bit and it was pretty awesome. It’s unlike any other workout I’ve done
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Try crew.
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by say hey nation on Mar 11, 2010 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I’m not anti-yoga or anything. I just can’t seem to find the time to do it regularly. Once I win the lotto and retire that will change.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
Heh.
Think I’m gonna go outside and tone my ass with a long bikram ride.
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by victor frankenstein on Mar 11, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
In that case I should probably drink more.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 10, 2010 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
I just go for lactose free milk
tastes almost exactly the same but no scummyness or stomach hurtiness
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Not enough lactose.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 11, 2010 5:26 PM PST up reply actions
It does have a little bit of sweetness to it, yeah
I like it personally, but to each their own
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Me!
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People who aren’t wrong about everything.
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on Mar 10, 2010 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
Sugar milk? That really does it for you?
It’s all about dry cereal, all the time!
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by UnleashTheGore on Mar 10, 2010 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
ew
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Too dry; didn’t eat.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 10, 2010 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
If you diss milk in my cocoa puffs, making milky milky cocoa puffs, then you sir can just leave.
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Mar 10, 2010 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
It’s better to crush it up and snort it.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Mar 10, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
Tried that with Pixie dust one time when I was really bored in Math class. It felt funny.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 10, 2010 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
Me!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 10, 2010 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
Well said
I think I’m still a little too much of a newbie stats-nerd to really claim Velez as my guy who drives me nuts. For me its Aaron Rowand, or as he’s known around my house, “He-who-runs-into-a-thousand-walls”.
Just the mere sight of Rowand can be enough to infuriate me when I’m in a mood. But I’ve seen and heard enough from him or others that makes me think if I met him outside the baseball context I might actually like him. He comes off as a decent enough guy. Maybe a little too much of a Bro for me to ever want to be friends with him, but nice enough that he wouldn’t be on my shit list.
So about the only way I can justify what I say and think about Rowand on a regular basis – especially when he’s swinging at a slider 2 feet off the plate for strike 3 – is the cognitive dissonance that exists in my mind where Aaron Rowand the Baseball Player and Aaron Rowand the Person are two completely separate people. Because the things I would have to say about Rowand the Player should never be said to Rowand the Person; he just doesn’t deserve that kind of abuse.
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by Prussian Creole on Mar 10, 2010 2:28 PM PST reply actions
For me, Velez embodies the problems with Giants management. They focus on small sample sizes and the wrong stats to say that Velez is good, while they do the same to other players and decide they’re bad (Lewis, Bowker). They look at Velez’s tools/VROOOOOOM to decide he’s good while ignoring the more important aspects of his game, which are not good.
Basically, Velez is not a good player. Potentially a bench player, but that’s it. And yet the Giants management seems to consider him good, potentially a starter. I think Bochy at least once this offseason listed Velez as a potential leadoff hitter. That frightens me, so Velez frightens me. Not entirely fair to Velez perhaps, but that’s why I focus on him.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 10, 2010 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed – on all counts
But for some reason, I blame the management for Velez (for all the reasons you so perfectly spelled out) more than I blame the management for Rowand. This is silly, I know, because management is responsible for both being on the field, but at least with Velez I can lie to myself and say things like, “He’s young” (even though he really isn’t) or “He’s still learning” or “He’s open to criticism” or “He’s not yet fully stuck in his ways” as opposed to Rowand who could (and should dammit!!!) watch hours of tape and still not lay off that pesky slider.
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by Prussian Creole on Mar 10, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
Velez and Frandsen/Bowker/Posey (pick one) embody the problems with Giants management to me. Velez for the reasons you gave, and the other guys because they are players who have shown significant promise in the minor leagues (and in areas where the Giants need significant improvement), but aren’t given a chance to start because they went out and signed some old FA who represents a small upgrade at best and a more expensive, less good player at worst. They just continually refuse to give the young guys who have shown they can contribute a serious look for reasons which entirely escape me. We poke a lot of fun with the “GRIT/GAMER/VETERAN SAVVY” memes, but they’re entirely too true.
Possible uses for your Steven Johnson: 5th starter, long reliever, batboy, go-fer, food taster. Just keep him on the roster!
I agree
But still think that if Velez could harness his tools (however unlikely that is), he could be a helluva player. I think management has seen the flashes and think he has it in him.
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I remember first seeing him hit with the giants in 2007. The combo of speed and power he showed was damn intriguing. But with a greater sample of at bats, I think it’s fair to say that he could benefit from the Buster Posey treatment (one way ticket to the farm) both offensively and defensively.
He’s only had about 350 abs in AAA. Is there a benefit for him "harnessing his tools" with the big league club as opposed to doing so in the minors?
Please tell me we have moved past the dark ages of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
by Yeti Monster on Mar 10, 2010 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, he can harness all he wants in AAA as far as I’m concerned, not on the 25 man roster. Honestly, I doubt he will harness those tools, so I’m not overly concerned about where he ends up.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 10, 2010 4:55 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah
Remember how he stole bases at will in that first ST? Who knew no one was showing him their pickoff moves?
I wasn’t opining on whether he should make the big club or not, only that I understand what management sees in him. You’re right that he probably should be in Fresno getting regular ABs. Does he have any options left? Velez’ greatest potential value to the team is if he can ever harness his tools and “put it all together”. Though the odds are long, he could be a legit MLB starter. I only have one remarkable tool and even that took me a while to harness. Once I did, I was a sight to behold.
I guess the question is whether you go for the long odds and devope him in AAA or try to get something out of him now as a reserve. The Giants clearly seemed to have backed off from the idea that he’s a 2010 starter.
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But on the ‘get something out of him now’ side, I don’t see any advantage to Velez over Torres; Velez is several years younger, but that only matters if you’re looking for a long term solution.
And I wish you’d put your tool back in your harness, Goofus.
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by EliminateMe on Mar 11, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
he was a lot less horrible last year
He even played at 2B without clanking it up too bad, which I thought was totally impossible the prior year.
I think he’s still a bad fit as a bench player, but since the talent pool is so shallow with this team, he’s not “the problem”. I’m hopeful he improves a bit more this year, but that doesn’t mean he should be starting, or (really) considered as anything but an emergency starter.
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by natteringnabob on Mar 10, 2010 5:44 PM PST up reply actions
I remember him looking just as bad at 2B last year as ever, but much better in OF.
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by Giant among Angels on Mar 10, 2010 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
Reading that made me remember, then i
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/runs to base of wall, watches helplessly as ball bounces off top of wall and back to infield.
TWICE
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IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
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he made some good plays last year too. I’m saying he’s progressed to the point where his legs and arm will make up for the occasional yakity sax moment.
Kinda like Fred Lewis.
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There’s something very wrong with that Fred Lewis quip, but I’m not going to expend the energy to argue it. I will say that while Velez has some web gem moments, but takes questionable routes and seems to routinely misplay balls that require him to be somewhere other than where the ball is actually landing (like the wall bounce described above). Fred Lewis doesn’t really misplay balls so much as he simply runs poor routes to fly balls and occasionally drops one or three of them. You can make up for bad routes with good speed. You can’t really make up for not even knowing where you’re supposed to be in the first place.
Damn, I guess I did expend my energy. Oh well.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 11, 2010 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
Not only did I expend my energy, but I completely busted a sentence in the process. You could say that not only did I overrun my route there, but I also misplayed my grammar.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 11, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
Damn, I guess I did expend my energy. Oh well.
…and kinda contradicted yourself.
Occasional bad routes, Vroom – check, K-fred – check
Occasional clank, Vroom – check, K-fred – check
Your bench player is our #5 hitter!!!
I’m pretty sure I didn’t.
When I talked about misplaying balls, I was talking about actually being where you need to be to play a ball that you’re not catching on the fly. Velez seems to chase endlessly after balls he has no chance of getting to, putting him ridiculously out of position when they hit the wall and ricochet or when he has to back up a teammate.
Velez clanks. Lewis clanks. Velez has questionable routes. Lewis has questionable routes. Velez doesn’t know where he needs to be on anything other than a routine fly ball. Lewis actually does.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 11, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
Also
Lewis can get on base when hitting. Velez can’t do anything.
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by bondslegend on Mar 11, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
right
I didn’t say he’s great, I said he’s better than last year.
And unlike Howie I’m not taking the Fredbait.
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by natteringnabob on Mar 11, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
I only wish management has seen my flashes and harnessed tools
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Mar 10, 2010 11:08 PM PST up reply actions
My problem with that asshole Scott Rowand is that even when you know he’s getting that slider, I know he’s getting that slider, everyone and their fat, promiscuous mamas know he’s getting the slider, HE STILL SWINGS AT THE FUCKING SLIDER. What is wrong with him? Did his mother use him to drive nails into concrete?
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that pitch—low and away—is what separates the wheat from the chaff, so that he succumbs to it is not surprising
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Mar 10, 2010 5:34 PM PST up reply actions
‘dropping a growler’
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Mar 10, 2010 6:35 PM PST up reply actions
Excellent use of Krukism
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sweet…er, nice
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Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Mar 10, 2010 8:26 PM PST up reply actions
Chaffy Rownads
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Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Mar 11, 2010 12:52 AM PST up reply actions
I know
Every time Kruk on one of the beat writers talks about how Row spends extra time in the batting cages during a slump, all I can think is, “Why doesn’t he just spend that same time looking at tape??” If he hasn’t figured out the slider by now, he’s not suddenly going get it because he spends and extra 30 min in the cage. His time would be better spent trying to recognize when pitchers throw it so he can best LAY OFF.
It’s like sliders are his Kryptonite or something. Also, walls.
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by Prussian Creole on Mar 11, 2010 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
I know what you mean. I hate Rowand too—-more than his level of play deserves.
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+1
To me he is the current symbol of replacing young guys that could just as good at a fraction of the money cost but have the chance to be better then they currently are perceived to be with some one that is not all that impressive. In this case it would have used 2 of the 25 man spots but no Scott on the big club and might very well have seen some Nate in CF time by now. Let “Crazy Legs Lewis” bird dog in RF and Bowker in LF. Or Baseball Lawds forbid a legit 3+WAR LF brought in LF or a corner spot.
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All the best to Broshuis
It’s been great reading his take on the minors, and I wish him well in his future endeavors.
I’ve often thought about the fact that with 30 major league teams, and even supposing that every team kept a dedicated backup at each position, that means at most 60 shortstops who have major league jobs. If you’re the 61st best shortstop in the world – in the 99.9999th percentile of the world population – you’re a career minor leaguer. I try to remember that when I’m ragging on some guy as a AAAA talent.
So Broshuis may never have been one of the 360 best pitchers in the world but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t damn good.
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by EliminateMe on Mar 10, 2010 2:37 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Fun read.
My personal baseball figure that drives me nuts currently is B Weezy. And F. Sanchez. And Molina. And Velez. And Torres. And Bork.
But Sandoval, Cain, Lincecum, J. Sanchez, Bumgarner, Posey, and Neal seem to override them.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Mar 10, 2010 2:44 PM PST reply actions
Do I want to know?
I’ve lived in L.A. now for almost 3 years. Of course, my Northern California, fresh mountain air upbringing will keep me a Giants fan for life. But I digress…
Upon moving to L.A. I got to know the waitresses at my local watering hole and one drunken night heard tales about a certain top 30 MLB pitcher. It seems as though one of my waitress friends was being flown around the country to meet said pitcher for… friendly visits? Truth be told the reason for these visits was never fully disclosed to me but there were enough hints that I found myself believing that these visits had more to do with mattress and sheet research than anything else.
Now, this pitcher may have a wife and children and in my moral belief structure shouldn’t be participating in this kind of behavior. I won’t comdemn him because, well, to each their own. I will say this though, I hope to hell that he’s never employed by the Giants. I want to continue to believe that my players, OUR players are better than this (even if they participate in the same antics).
/the sound of a 28-year old Barry Zito researching mattress & sheets with 19 year old Hilary Duff
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
You mean this Hilary Duff? (Warning: last picture is possibly NSFW).
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Barstool sports.
And the bookmark list expands yet again…
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by victor frankenstein on Mar 11, 2010 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
That’s the other side of getting to know players personally (I also have heard that mistresses are really common among professional athletes but that’s beside the point). Maybe that’s why people don’t discuss Ruth’s personal life much – he wasn’t such a great guy it turns out.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 10, 2010 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
Derek Lowe is a well known philanderer.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
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I know for a fact that when Ray Durham was a Giant, he cheat on his (then) wife.
The Giants offseason moves - "meh"
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yeah well
cheated
The Giants offseason moves - "meh"
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum, who could do whatever he wants to do.
He speakin' Irie, mon.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Mar 11, 2010 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
/pushes winnings aside
I’m shocked, shocked! to find there is gambling going on in this establishment.
Mark DeRosa: the rare utility player who can provide some utility.
professional athletes philander?
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Tip of the cap, Grant.
Tip of the cap.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Good bit of writing.
Personal “God I hate that guy” – guy’s:
Marvin Benard
Ray Durham
Fred Lewis
Pedro Feliz
Not because any of them were “actually” bad, but because it always seemed that they were rarely good when we needed it most.
Your bench player is our #5 hitter!!!
Ray Durham in 07 maybe. Otherwise I disagree completely.
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Durham should be in your sig somewhere
you’re always the first to defend him to the ignorant masses
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I was his foster dad for a while!
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Wait, I never accused Durham of anything!
Oh, you said masses.
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by victor frankenstein on Mar 11, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
how dare you disgrace Ray from across the Bay!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0fEPZc8yiI
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by UnleashTheGore on Mar 10, 2010 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
I still call him that haha
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Mar 11, 2010 12:04 AM PST up reply actions
Actually anyone named Ray gets that nickname
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Mar 11, 2010 12:05 AM PST up reply actions
My God, the depths of my hatred for Pedro Feliz are enormous. My mother used to make a big deal of Feliz driving in a run in a clutch situation because I always said he was terrible when it counted. She wasn’t able to do it very often.
Possible uses for your Steven Johnson: 5th starter, long reliever, batboy, go-fer, food taster. Just keep him on the roster!
I don’t hate Feliz I hate the situation the Giants put him in.
Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!
by say hey nation on Mar 10, 2010 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
I mean Pedro Feliz-Starting LF, or Pedro Feliz clean up hitter
Matt Graham is an anagram for .... why don't you ask the scrabble expert!
by say hey nation on Mar 10, 2010 5:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
So this. By July of ’04 Feliz had become a favorite of mine just because they seemed to keep putting him in impossible situations yet there was no quit in the guy. And he seemed to love playing the game despite it all. I hated the spastic flailing at pitches that were not dead red but “at the end of the day” if he is the clean up hitter that blame should fall squarely on the GM.
Threat level that the 2010 Pads finish with more wins than the 2010 Giants is currently at - 25%
Hating Durham is a big swing and a miss on your part
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Much like your opinion of Ray Durham.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Mar 10, 2010 6:17 PM PST up reply actions
And yours doesn't either!
Isn’t this fun?
Durham, FACTUALLY, was a good player. Someone like Velez isn’t. Any hatred of Durham RE: his ability to play baseball is factually wrong, because he was good. Hatred of Velez is factually relevant, since he isn’t good, but is getting the chance to play every day.
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Read the f’ing post slapnuts.
Not because any of them were "actually" bad, but because it always seemed that they were rarely good when we needed it most.
Groupthink + syncophancy = ~1/2 of McC content
Your bench player is our #5 hitter!!!
I love people who come here and complain about the community
Nobody’s holding a gun to your head and forcing you to stay here. Also, calling people names is not exactly a great way to defend your position. When people do that, it usually means they’ve run out of proper defenses.
My comment still applies, it “seemed” that they were rarely good when we needed it. Well, I’m glad it “seemed” that way, but that wasn’t actually the case for Durham. He could “seem” like he wasn’t good when we needed it all you want, but he actually was.
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woops, .208 was Benard, Durham was ~.250 but again, it’s a perception thing. Not that he was actually bad, but that he seemed to flail in key moments.
Your bench player is our #5 hitter!!!
meh
I’m not a fan of so called “clutch” stats. But nobody ever said hatred had to be totally rational
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It's true
Rationally, I should hate you, according to the groupthink on this site.
But, I think you’re pretty alright.
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uhh..thanks?
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I was just funnin
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"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
(I know)
I dole it out, I better be able to take it
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McCoveyChronicles has officially run its course.
“Also, calling people names is not exactly a great way to defend your position.”
bondslegend
March 10, 2010
Nothing left to do but jump the shark
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Notice how I didn't say calling names was bad in itself
I cleverly added “to defend your position”
I’m not an idiot
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I’m not an idiot
Sabes?
WHY IS BENGIE?!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 11, 2010 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
TWBSS
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by EliminateMe on Mar 11, 2010 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
Note: “Slapnuts” was not used to defend my position. It was used for emphasis and to add a touch of {tee-hee} to the post, because I just think the word is kinda funny.
Say it three times, “slapnuts, slapnuts, slapnuts” see….kinda funny.
…..and I retracted it anyway.
Your bench player is our #5 hitter!!!
So… not clutch?
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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Not understanding the importance of my opinion?
You’re 0-2
;-)
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I don’t see how anybody could hate Durham.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 10, 2010 7:47 PM PST up reply actions
You shut your mouth, Ray Durham was awesome.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I’m in the Ray Durham was awesome line. I also disagree regarding Fred Lewis.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 10, 2010 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
I obviously disagree regarding Fred Lewis, but I’ll concede that the point isn’t as cut and dry as it is with Ray-Ray.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Definitely not as cut-and-dry, but I’m firmly entrenched in my position.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 10, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
The "wrong" position
always popular RE: Fred Lewis.
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c’mon, you just like his butt
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Mar 10, 2010 6:05 PM PST up reply actions
His butt and his smile. I like him for his top and his bottom hole.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 10, 2010 7:49 PM PST up reply actions
Which of his ears is the top one? And the bottom hole, well, I won’t enquire about that.
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Mar 11, 2010 12:07 AM PST up reply actions
How can anyone not hate Rowand? STOP THROWING TO THE WRONG BASE YOU TWIT!
Ray’s fielding got on my nerves.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
/dogpile
Durham aside, it’s interesting to note how many hatable players are average players who could be very good if they could just harness of all of their tools.
Mark DeRosa: the rare utility player who can provide some utility.
Who’s more hatable? The guys who don’t harness said tools or the overachieving scrappy guys?
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Mar 11, 2010 12:09 AM PST up reply actions
Actually overachieving scrappy guys can be lovable, but are hatable once they get media love (ecks) or shit all over your team repeatedly for no good reason.
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Mar 11, 2010 12:10 AM PST up reply actions
It was remarkable how all this happened in such a short time with Frandsen
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I remember Benard being disliked so much by some Giants fans that I heard one those “What’s the matter with Benard.” that is reserved for the visiting players.
The Giants offseason moves - "meh"
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He could be absolutely brutal in the field, but it seemed like he made up for it by frequent abject suckage at the plate. Like Feliz, a frequent master of the meaningless hit and oft flailing with RISP.
Your bench player is our #5 hitter!!!
Molina
The one guy that gets under my skin is Molina. Mainly because he hurts the team with his lack of speed and it seems like if he lost weight he’d at least move a little faster less slow.
Otherwise, I feel pretty dumb criticizing these guys when they’re sooooo much better (and obviously more dedicated) than I ever was.
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I sat behind Molina’s wife and newborn babby at a game last year. That experience made Molina seem more like a person to me and made it harder to hate on him. Really I save most of my animosity for Bork and Sabes.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
HOW DOES MOLINA'S WIFE GET PRAGNENT??
FREE BUSTER POSEY
But on the other hand, can Buster Posey match Bengie Molina's spring training heroics? It's debatable.
Allow Goofus to show you.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 10, 2010 7:50 PM PST up reply actions
any context, that works
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Mar 11, 2010 12:38 AM PST up reply actions
well done
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by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 10, 2010 4:39 PM PST reply actions
Giants and Rays atop the Cactus and Grapefruit leagues! Maybe they can be in the spring training World Series.
THERE'S ONLY ONE MARCH!
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by SoFa King Mike on Mar 10, 2010 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
We’re in this month!
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What I’d like to know is how many innings we’ve won so far.
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I’M WORRIED WE’RE WINNING SO MUCH.
/negativity
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Mar 10, 2010 7:56 PM PST up reply actions
As a team, we're doing the Linden Hop.
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by victor frankenstein on Mar 11, 2010 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
Kind of like this?
It just looked like a good spot to dust of the Zorak hits gif.
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Great piece, Grant!
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"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
LOL
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 10, 2010 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
(Because it’s a pun, I mean, not because the piece was bad)
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 10, 2010 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
No no no. It is much easier to think of them as Pokemon who do not exist outside of the field of play.
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
My JIRACHI uses DRACO METER.
It was super effective!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 10, 2010 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
Is it just me, or are the Giants playing really ridiculously well?
I know not to read anything into it, but damn. Have they even lost a game where there wasnt a split squad?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 10, 2010 5:12 PM PST reply actions
It's always fun to see them performing well
no matter the time of year.
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This is why I have a hard time bashing Zito. We’ve had a conversation about this, but to recap: It’s difficult to make fun of a guy who donates his own time, money and resources to troops. Same goes for many players involved in similar efforts.
It also may explain why I don’t think I’ll ever be a stathead. To me, evaluating a person simply as a series of numbers is a little disturbing. A person’s hopes and dreams, sum total of his fears, his first job, first kiss, wife, kids, that one dog he had in eighth grade — all reduced to numbers? We might as well let randomized computers take the field.
I know it’s a tired argument used to defend everything from the manned space program to newspaper publishing, but I’ll use it again: I like the human element. Without it, what’s to watch? What’s to learn?
To know that guy on the mound or out in center field shares my concerns, has some of my problems or listens to the same music I listen to is reassuring. It tells me these men are of flesh and blood, just like the rest of us. It often makes the front office decisions harder but it just as often makes the experience that much richer. I can stare at a spreadsheet all day and feel nothing, or I can watch eighteen fellow humans engage in a mental and physical battle and feel alive.
Plus, I like to ogle guys.
by TheLetter2 on Mar 10, 2010 5:15 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
here, here! just because rich men are willing to throw gobs of money at these guys does not make them any more or less human than the rest of us.
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by greatgiantfan on Mar 10, 2010 5:36 PM PST up reply actions
One could argue..
..that the player’s decision to accept said rich man’s money places the player in the public spotlight (similar to celebrities and politicians).
I completely agree that the players are just as human as the rest of us. But it becomes a heckuva lot harder to hide when in the spotlight.
Please tell me we have moved past the dark ages of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
by Yeti Monster on Mar 10, 2010 5:51 PM PST up reply actions
I absolutely agree that the human element is inspiring and interesting and makes watching games more fun. And well said.
However, I disagree regarding evaluating talent. When looking at a player’s abilities, I don’t care about anything about that player’s personal life. It’s sad to jettison a player with a compelling story, but with all the sad things in this world to worry about I do not consider that one of them. To me, the welfare of a baseball player (especially at the major league level) who has possibly already earned more than most people dream of or has at least been paid decently to very well to play a game is immaterial.
When I evaluate players for talent, I do not want to care about their personal lives; it may cloud my judgment. When I watch a game, I love caring about players. One of the reasons I like Sandoval is because he is so fun to watch as a person, not just because he mashes the ball. In contrast, Velez may be a wonderful person, but I’d toss him on the scrapheap in a second.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 10, 2010 5:54 PM PST up reply actions
I like the drama of putting a good team together as much as the next guy, and I like knowing as much about baseball as I can – such as knowing what goes into making a good team good or why a certain player is especially valuable to my team.
But player evaluation isn’t why I watch baseball, on any level. This mania for reducing everything to the absolute bottom line (in baseball, winning) is just ridiculous sometimes. I watch baseball for beauty and the experience, and the joy of seeing gifted men compete at a sport I love. Winning is nice, but totally, totally secondary to the game itself.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
And that’s a great reason to watch baseball. One of my favorite things is to watch a good game between two teams that I care nothing about, just to see good baseball being played. I love that. But when it comes to the Giants, I do care about winning. It’s just two different ways to enjoy the game.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 11, 2010 9:51 AM PST up reply actions
A person’s hopes and dreams, sum total of his fears, his first job, first kiss, wife, kids, that one dog he had in eighth grade
…don’t help him play baseball any better. This is why you shouldn’t be a GM, because a good GM can’t care about shit like that. It’s not that you’re reducing their humanity, but if you get all caught up in someone’s personal story, then that’s when you get a team full of David Ecksteins, and you don’t win any baseball games. A GM’s job is to win at the game of baseball, not to be a humanitarian.
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BTW
do you think that those of us who rely on stats to evaluate the game DON’T enjoy watching it? Many of the people here have season tickets. We all watch a plurality if not a MAJORITY of the Giants’ games every season. We love baseball, otherwise we wouldn’t devote the time we do to watching it.
The point of using stats IS NOT to replace the game, and I really wish people would stop with that whole line of reasoning. The point of stats is to UNDERSTAND the game better, thus actually INCREASING our enjoyment of it. How can that be a bad thing?
To me, the personal stuff is great, but at a certain point it just becomes that I’m watching a soap opera. I want to watch and enjoy people playing baseball, not be thinking about what kind of music they like. Why would I care about a person’s musical tastes when I will never have any interaction with them outside of watching them play a sport for 3 hours a night?
I can stare at a spreadsheet all day and feel nothing, or I can watch eighteen fellow humans engage in a mental and physical battle and feel alive.
OK, George Will, that’s great. And that’s a nice little parting shot line of some writer’s column somewhere, but people who evaluate baseball based on statistical information do not REPLACE the game with said information. We still watch the games, we just understand it a little better than those who choose to be ignorant.
Just sayin
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I didn't mean to tee off on you specifically
but the impression I got was that you were saying that people who use stats to evaluate players were somehow enjoying the game less than people who are ignorant of those stats. And that kind of thing just drives me nuts. Why would we bother looking these stats up if we didn’t love baseball??? arrrggghh
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I said, “This is why I’ll never be a stathead.” If anything, that’s a commentary on my own stupidity, not anyone else’s. We all come to baseball for different reasons. Your reason doesn’t make you stupid, and mine doesn’t make me an upper-crust asshole. It has nothing to do with how you enjoy the game, as long as you enjoy it.
I appreciate your passion for the subject, and I love engaging in an open exchange of opinion. But getting inordinately angry with me and taking your frustrations on anti-stat writers out on me isn’t really the way to foster that exchange.
Yeah, like I said
I didn’t meant to vent on you, sorry. I misread what you were saying at first. It’s fair enough if that’s how you want to watch the game, got no problem with that. I just don’t like it when people start saying that those who analyze the game a little deeper are somehow missing the “true enjoyment” or something. I thought you were saying that, but yeah..you weren’t.
Soooo anyways.
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See, there ya go. All’s well that ends well. C’mon, I’ll buy you a beer.
/fade to black, roll credits
Sweet, free beer!
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Sorry but the movie’s over.
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Mar 11, 2010 12:15 AM PST up reply actions
DAMN YOU
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Don’t deprecate yourself by saying “stupidity”. You watch your sports a different way. The only problem is when you get to be in a position of actual power and then build an actual team based on emotion and storyline rather than talent. But none of us here will ever be in that position. Well, maybe sfoakbay. Graham. Cookyman.
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
George Will is a fair bit more than just
some writerdontchathink?
Your bench player is our #5 hitter!!!
Maybe the phrase ‘dishonest partisan hack’ seemed impolite.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Mar 10, 2010 7:22 PM PST up reply actions
I can't stand george will and think he's massively overrated
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he embodies EAST COAST BIAS, too
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by greatgiantfan on Mar 10, 2010 7:54 PM PST up reply actions
THROW THE BALL, GEORGE!
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"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
do you think that those of us who rely on stats to evaluate the game DON’T enjoy watching it?
I don’t think that, but could see how a casual reader might get the impression that some “stat heads” only follow the games to take pleasure in being right about a failure. For example, there seems to be an weird obsession with some in being the first to pronounce “game over”, which I don’t get. Conversely, when someone defies predictions and does well, some people seem slow to appreciate it but quick to proclaim “Unsustainable!”
To someone not familiar with hte personalities here, it would seem a weird way to “enjoy” baseball.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 11, 2010 8:22 AM PST up reply actions
Very good point
sorta like when Bengie hit a clutch HR last year. It kind of annoyed me, because I knew that that moment was awesome, but also that in the long term it would wind up hurting the team, since long-term decisions were made based on very limited moments like that
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I was at the game when Bengie hit that pinch hit hr. Right before he hit it I was telling anyone who would listen what a stupid move it was bringing Bengie in to pinch hit. Whoops.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
Exactly
it was AWESOME. But it was a once in a million sort of thing, nobody remembers the 20 times he failed before and after that. And that doesn’t mean I’m not a “fan” or whatever, just saying that more often than not he’s going to hurt the team with his bat than help it.
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that happened to me
with the Renteria grand slam. I’m sure we’ll have plenty of chances to repeat the experiences this year!
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
carp (paraphrased): "117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"
by natteringnabob on Mar 11, 2010 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
holy fuck! what does this have to do with the GM? it’s a fan’s perspective, that’s all. all things equal, I’d rather watch a player that I care about.
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by greatgiantfan on Mar 10, 2010 6:17 PM PST up reply actions
OK
but more often than not all things ARENT equal. And thinking like that leads people to root for someone who isn’t very good but who “has a great story” (see Eckstein, David or Erstad, Darin) over people who may not be that great off the field, but who have actual talent.
I’d rather my favorite team be full of guys who are good at baseball than full of guys who newspaper writers could write great glowing personal stories about.
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i opt for both.
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by greatgiantfan on Mar 10, 2010 6:25 PM PST up reply actions
of course, I’m the type that sets out looking for having my cake and eating it too.
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by greatgiantfan on Mar 10, 2010 6:27 PM PST up reply actions
Obviously, if that's an option
you want character guys. I don’t mean to say that I endorse the early 90s Miami Hurricanes philosophy of team building. I just mean that A) talent and ability to play well should trump “being a good story” and B) stats do not affect one’s enjoyment of watching baseball
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Love it or hate it, the early 90’s Canes philosophy was damn effective. Christ, I loved watching those teams.
talent and ability to play well should trump "being a good story"
I expect most Giants fans to agree with this statement, as we were the ones cheering Bonds while choosing to look past some less than stellar character traits that other baseball fans could not (and still cannot, is some cases) look past.
Please tell me we have moved past the dark ages of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
by Yeti Monster on Mar 10, 2010 6:52 PM PST up reply actions
The way I look at it is that the less than stellar character traits are ignored if they are your guy. If Bonds played in LA (or Oakland, St. Louis, etc), he would be loved by their fans and people in SF would getting on him for the steroids and other allegations that have nothing to do with baseball.
The Giants offseason moves - "meh"
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I suspect this too. I know I only “loved” him because he played for the Giants. OTOH I really wouldn’t root for Manny Ramirez, say, if he played for the Giants. I’d stand up for a big home run, but that’s just being one with the moment, dude, not approbation or anything.
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That's exactly what it is
if Bonds played for those people, they’d have rooted for him too.
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the proof is in the manny
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by greatgiantfan on Mar 10, 2010 7:56 PM PST up reply actions
I agree
It does bother me, though, when fans who cheered their asses off for Bonds proceed to crucify other ballplayers for cheating on their wives. Yay hypocrisy.
Also, he who cast the first stone and whatnot.
Please tell me we have moved past the dark ages of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
by Yeti Monster on Mar 10, 2010 8:02 PM PST up reply actions
Speaking for myself
I don’t crucify other players of any sport for any infraction. I’ve rooted for Bonds and Owens in my lifetime, and I know how hypocritical it would be for me to employ faux outrage on other players. Unless they like kill someone or something.
I only wish more sports fans thought rationally about subjects such as this.
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Being a sports fan is in essence irrational to begin with, so I like having irrational prejudices against opposing players.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Mar 10, 2010 8:10 PM PST up reply actions
I guess that's a fair point
but it sets one up for being a total hypocrite
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OMG--U Miami
what better poster children for the corruption of college sports?
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by greatgiantfan on Mar 10, 2010 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
Free Shoes University?
USC?
/hides from jcb9
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
Although the risk of being denigrated as uncouth and stupid by purported statheads, does affect one’s enjoyment.
Then again, being denigrated BY uncouth and stupid by general sports fans in a general sports setting anywhere, is pretty much the de facto situation, so really, this is why I rarely talk to people about things I actually care about, and rely on random remarks of passing shallowness. To wit, LOL canes.
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
I'll see your LOL and raise you
Cain for Fielder!
Or is that wearing thin? Running gags have kind of a short shelf life.
Oh I dunno… The repetition is awesome. I think I’ll just start copying other people’s posts verbatim. But only on topic ones.
by Merope on Mar 10, 2010 7:20 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That's definitely true
and that’s the only thing I really have a problem with I guess. If people don’t want to use stats, that’s fine. But don’t act like that way is somehow “better” or “more authentic” or something. I don’t attack non stat people unless they start spouting that sort of nonsense.
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The only thing that bugs me is when people who don’t want to use stats insist on using them to explain themselves. “Screw your OPS+… he hit .342 with runners in scoring position and two outs in the ninth!”
O RLY?
I mean usually it’s the BA / RBI debate, but the basic premise that “these stats prove that stats are a worse way to approach the game than going strictly on perception.”
If you like a player, awesome. You like them. You don’t have to explain that, and you especially don’t have to explain it in my terms. You like him. That’s great!
If you don’t like a player, awesome. You don’t like them. You don’t have to explain that, and you especially don’t have to explain it in my terms. You don’t like him. That’s great!
Just say that.
“I like player X. I think he’s good, and I’m not going to be bothered with stats.”
“Well, my stats say he’s bad.”
“Remember what I said about being bothered with those? I have other reasons for thinking he brings real value to the team.”
End of discussion. And without all the pain.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 10, 2010 8:09 PM PST up reply actions
^ yeah, this
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please to not be mentioning two low-talent story-rich guys who have one to two world championships. Let’s focus on Craig Counsell. wait. no. Um. Bill Muell— no. Um …
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That's exactly WHY I mentioned them
because dumbasses talk about them like they’re “winners” because they have rings. That epitomizes how stupid people can be when they analyze baseball the wrong way. They actually think those teams won BECAUSE of those guys.
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well, it certainly doesn’t make them losers
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by greatgiantfan on Mar 10, 2010 8:05 PM PST up reply actions
No,
technically they are winners. But anyone who thinks the Angels and Cardinals wouldn’t have won without those guys is a moron. They are below average baseball players.
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perhaps their teammates should be consulted on this
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by greatgiantfan on Mar 10, 2010 8:12 PM PST up reply actions
baseball is historically full of players who’s stats don’t bear out their value to a team.
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by greatgiantfan on Mar 10, 2010 8:12 PM PST up reply actions
I mean, talking about Eckstein, it took the Angels seven to beat the Giants, and he was a starter, so doesn’t that say something? Remove him from the equation, maybe they lose.
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by greatgiantfan on Mar 10, 2010 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
OR
maybe they win in fewer than 7. Goes both ways.
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AH
But either way, the teams they were on, win.
You know, I don’t think you can say that because Eckstein et al are inferior ballplayers, that any of the championship teams they were on truly suffered from that. I mean, all I think we can say is that their individual career numbers suffer from their inferior skills.
And also, sometimes I get the feeling you just don’t like people like them and use their inferior stats to justify it. :)
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by shanghaijim on Mar 10, 2010 10:42 PM PST up reply actions
I couldn't care less about "people like them"
do you mean small white people? What I care about is writers who seize on to someone because they’re unathletic and white (ahem ahem like most writers) and try to attribute a team’s success to those players.
They might not HURT their teams per se, but it’s ridiculous to say that those teams wouldn’t have been successful without those players. They just weren’t good at baseball, and no amount of “heart” or “grit” or whatever is going to change that. One guy said he’d rather face Pujols at the plate than Eckstein. Cmon, that’s fucking moronic.
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by bondslegend on Mar 10, 2010 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
I fucking hate eckstein with a passion. I hate all the crappy gritty players like him. They stand in the batter’s box and foul off a hundred pitches before finally getting walked. At least thats what it seemed like in 2002. My rule with these types of players would be 8 pitches max. After that, I start throwing at them. New eckstein-type player I hate is that schumaker dude on the cards.
No one here gets out alive.
Best baseball name: Skip or Chipper?
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Mar 11, 2010 12:22 AM PST up reply actions
maybe they just give interviews
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by greatgiantfan on Mar 11, 2010 12:47 AM PST up reply actions
But if Fred fouled off a hundred pitches and worked a walk...
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Mar 11, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
go watch stupid hoops
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by greatgiantfan on Mar 11, 2010 12:48 AM PST up reply actions
well played
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by greatgiantfan on Mar 11, 2010 12:35 AM PST up reply actions
I was renting a time machine JUST to try this out myself.
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by shanghaijim on Mar 10, 2010 10:36 PM PST up reply actions
David Eckstein actually enjoys kicking dogs, stealing people’s mail and often double parks. Just throwing that out there.
Eagerly anticipating adding to my Giants family.
by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 11, 2010 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
all caps tiem
MAN MUST GO TO MARS. IT IS OUR MANIFEST DESTINY.
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Hey, make fun of my Kennedyesque monologues all you like. But there are still things in my life worth cranking out a little flowery prose. :^)
NO I TRULY BELIEVE WE ARE ORDAINED TO SPREAD OUR BANNER TO THE ORIGINAL MOTHER PLANET AND REHYDRATE HER DESSICATED GLOREH
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by shanghaijim on Mar 10, 2010 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
Question: bigger bunch of idiots…..sfgate.com or those who comment on Baggs blog?? Some of the comments I’ve read on Baggs blog (including one who mentioned why all the complaining, the Giants 7-1) are facepalm worthy.
The Giants offseason moves - "meh"
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sfgate.com by far – only because I know some of the people that comment on this site also comment on Baggs. Plus – Baggs will actually RESPOND to comments on his page, which is pretty cool considering his access to the Gnats.
who’s that barryforever guy? does he hang out here, too?
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by greatgiantfan on Mar 10, 2010 8:25 PM PST up reply actions
sfgate
make commenters on:
espn.com
sports.yahoo.com
podunkintelligencerandconstitution.net
seem like geniuses.
Yahoo! Answers have them all beat, tho.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
where can i watch mlb gaves live for free?
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by shanghaijim on Mar 10, 2010 10:43 PM PST up reply actions
No idea. Very uncomfortable. Needs more animated gifs and exhibitionist pictures of howtheyscored.
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I’m working on it.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 10, 2010 7:53 PM PST up reply actions
the animated gif of it I hope
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Mar 11, 2010 12:24 AM PST up reply actions
What do you want?? A discussion on llamas??
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I came here for an argument
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"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
TARANTINO SUX
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by shanghaijim on Mar 10, 2010 10:43 PM PST up reply actions
Not to go all Simon Cowell on you Grant, but I do not think that was your best work. It is a tad sentimental and somewhat pointless unless the point is that baseball players are human beings. Of course they are. So are politicians and so are actors or any other people who choose to live a public life. And behind the public persona is a person who wakes up every day, grabs a cup of coffee, reads the paper, takes a steamer, and gets dressed just like the rest of us.
Bad Analogy
politicians are there to server the public; pro athletes and actors are for entertainment (jokes aside)
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by greatgiantfan on Mar 10, 2010 7:22 PM PST up reply actions
I kind of agree with you. But I started with an idea, and I wrote it with a 16-month old running around, ostensibly in my care. Don’t vote me off just yet. I’ll be back tomorrow with a Jose Castillo retrospective.
I know that you know that I am critical only because I think you are really good. You will live to see another day. I have 2 kids and various other things ostensibly in my care as well. I totally understand and know your piece on Jose will rock.
by capn on Mar 10, 2010 8:20 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
It’s weird. I just noticed your original comment didn’t have 14 recommendations, which is what this post has. It must be a tech support issue. I’ll send an e-mail.
by Grant on Mar 10, 2010 9:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, he went there
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by bondslegend on Mar 10, 2010 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
Oh SNAP.
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner
by walkoff baltimore chop on Mar 11, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
FWIW
I like your angry writing more.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
Yeah, well you’ll love this comment, asshole.
by Grant on Mar 10, 2010 11:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, considering that Garrett Broshius actually has a relationship with this blog and with the act of writing to Giants fans in general, I think it makes sense to take a moment to reflect on his retirement. The truth is that because of his obscurity as a player and his skill as a writer, most of us actually know Broshius better as a person than as a player.
So I think his retirement called for a moment of reflection on this blog.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 10, 2010 7:56 PM PST up reply actions
DICK
/joking
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WHERE
/not joking
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by shanghaijim on Mar 10, 2010 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
I'd say you never miss an opportunity, except you have.
Or maybe you just haven’t seen them yet.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Mar 11, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
damn, my dog barfed again
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by greatgiantfan on Mar 10, 2010 8:00 PM PST up reply actions
OMNOMNOMNOMNOM
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 10, 2010 8:11 PM PST up reply actions
if natto looked like this
more people would give it a try.
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(Insert Natto joke here)
The Giants offseason moves - "meh"
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(I thought I had)
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
well more
The Giants offseason moves - "meh"
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I already did my “I ate natto” joke a few weeks ago.
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by shanghaijim on Mar 10, 2010 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
Personally I’m all about the Cheerios.
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by shanghaijim on Mar 10, 2010 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
Really? Cheerios are the blandest of bland cereal.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Dude, honey nut cheerios are the shit.
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by say hey nation on Mar 11, 2010 6:18 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I've wrecked cars. I've wrecked bikes. I've wrecked relationships.
But that’s the first time I ever rec’d a breakfast cereal.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Mar 11, 2010 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
Needs more strawberries on top
and not the crappy factory made ones. Put real strawberries on cheerios..good stuff
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I make my own cheerios
Those factory made ones are junk.
</joegarrelli>
Adoptive parent of Kevin "The Stopgap" Frandsen.
Velez is a person.
when i moved to NY last summer i saw him outside of the parker meridien hotel (try the burgers there at burger joint- outrageous). he had a ridiculously large diamond earring and an old hispanic man was yelling at him while crying. i went to the game against the mets that night and he hit a triple and a GIDP- this entire scenario just made sense because it was Eugenio.
next up in my series of truisms, beer is delicious because i have drank it.
Dodgers fans eat their young.
why was the guy yelling at him?
why was the guy crying?
what does that have to do with triple + GIDP?
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by greatgiantfan on Mar 10, 2010 8:08 PM PST up reply actions
I think it’s postmodern and deconstructed and THUS IS GENIUS
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by shanghaijim on Mar 10, 2010 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
mccoven poetry, eh
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by greatgiantfan on Mar 11, 2010 12:42 AM PST up reply actions
Holy crap
I must know how to do that. Or is it a mod only thing?
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Nope, anyone can do it. I won’t tell my secrets, though. Even though it’s surprisingly simple.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 11, 2010 8:42 AM PST up reply actions
Although I really should be more clever about it. From now on I will only auto link my signature to links that are funny when read in the context of my signature.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 11, 2010 8:43 AM PST up reply actions
That one was really funny.
I bet I know your secret.
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by say hey nation on Mar 11, 2010 8:44 AM PST up reply actions
The funny thing is that the "by" before your name is linked too
weird. I know nothing of how formatting or web language works, so I’ll never figure it out. Don’t mind me, I’ll just be crying in the corner because I’m not cool enough to know how to do that…
:’( you monster
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Just do an “a href” tag at the end of your comment without attaching it to any text. I think not closing the tag is part of the trick too.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 11, 2010 9:40 AM PST up reply actions
Hey, it worked!
SUCKER!
That’s pretty cool, though I still don’t know much about tagging and such
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Hmm for mine it links different than yours
I suppose that’s because I already have a link in my sig
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Thanks btw
another tool in the arsenal of being able to make secret snarky jokes
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This is so cool!
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by say hey nation on Mar 11, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
Don’t abuse the power!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 11, 2010 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
OT
Dave Flemming did the Big Sky tournament final between Weber St. and Montana for ESPN 2. He got a great game to call. Weber St. led 40-20 at halftime and lost 66-65.
The Giants offseason moves - "meh"
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I was forced to listen to the Stanfurd broadcast of their game vs. Cal last week because I couldn’t get reception on 1550—he’s excellent at calling hoops, better than his baseball announcing IMO <———hey, looky, I learnt a new acronym.
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by greatgiantfan on Mar 10, 2010 8:23 PM PST up reply actions
ESPN certainly likes him. He’s done about 5 or 6 games so far and has the Big West finals this weekend.
The Giants offseason moves - "meh"
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum, who could do whatever he wants to do.
I wonder which is more difficult to play-by-play, basketball or hockey?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Mar 10, 2010 8:30 PM PST up reply actions
Gotta be hocky
in basketball you at least can catch your breath after a team scores, which happens often. In hockey there can be like 10 straight minutes of nonstop action
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Well, he’s ours, ESPN. You can’t have him!
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/09: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
by Useful_Idiot on Mar 10, 2010 8:42 PM PST up reply actions
I started watching halfway through the second half. The only reason I watched was because I noticed it was Flemming on the call. He did a great job as usual.
FREE BUSTER POSEY
But on the other hand, can Buster Posey match Bengie Molina's spring training heroics? It's debatable.
This is the only time of the year I watch basketball consistently. I’ll watch the tournament (the main one only. No NIT) knowing that baseball season is around the corner.
The Giants offseason moves - "meh"
Proud father of 2-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum, who could do whatever he wants to do.
Ir’s the best time of year for basketball. It’s basically on all day and you get to watch small schools live out a dream. I love it.
FREE BUSTER POSEY
But on the other hand, can Buster Posey match Bengie Molina's spring training heroics? It's debatable.
yeah
I really don’t follow basketball, but I do enjoy the orgy of games. I like sports enough that the absolute tension with all these games, and that you can see little snippets of all of them is awesome.
this is the biggest issue I have with the BCS. I loved the old orgy of games on new years day. Now, I can hardly be bothered with it.
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+1
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by bondslegend on Mar 10, 2010 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
you know what else?
CBS lets ANYONE watch the ENTIRE NCAA tournament online FOR EFFING FREE. And they haven’t gone bankrupt yet. Why the fuck is this not an option with other sports? I can’t watch high quality football streams online even if I want to pay. So stupid.
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by bondslegend on Mar 10, 2010 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
Well
I can watch football streams online. And veetle occasionally had some that were high quality, but a lot of times the quality is hit or miss. Those NCAA streams are like watching on TV. There should be an option for that for NFL games, and there isn’t unless you already have sunday ticket, and there ain’t no way I’m paying for a satellite subscription AND sunday ticket. That’s just stupid.
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by bondslegend on Mar 10, 2010 11:08 PM PST up reply actions
http://mmod.ncaa.com/?ttag=MMOD10_tv_all_cspt_na_drop_0001welcome
The Giants offseason moves - "meh"
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Broshius is the Mumia Abu Jamal of MiLB
People only care because he speaks out… otherwise, poo-tee-weet… and so it goes.
Nice piece.
From reading the comments, someone mentioned that Broshius wrote here in the past. Can someone link it?
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by Giant among Angels on Mar 10, 2010 9:14 PM PST reply actions
I’m not sure where exactly, but Grant has cited him multiple times as a “friend of the program.”
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 11, 2010 8:44 AM PST up reply actions
IIRC Grant was interviewed by Broshius in an interview for BA
I can’t find the article now on the website though.
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Everyone seems to like your piece, Grant.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Mar 10, 2010 10:07 PM PST reply actions
I’d make a dick joke here, but I see you beat me to it.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 11, 2010 8:45 AM PST up reply actions
OT: OOTP
Just finished the 2021 season.
Good news! Jonathan Sanchez pulls it all together. Ends up with a 205-83 record. 3rd starter at best.
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"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
wow
that’s pretty ridiculously awesome
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by bondslegend on Mar 10, 2010 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
I’m up to 2029, I think.
Bumgarner retired with 250+ wins and made the Hall.
Pablo, after stints with the Phillies, Blue Jays and a couple years as a Rockie, made the HoF, but I don’t think he really deserved it.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Why did Pablo leave SF?
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by bondslegend on Mar 10, 2010 11:08 PM PST up reply actions
He was declining (OR SO I THOUGHT, he ended up playing for like 10 more years and most of them were pretty good) and asking for a ton of money so I let him leave via FA :(
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
HIS STATZ
Huh, he came a lot closer to 3,000 hits than I realized. You’d think he’d stick around to try and get there, he was still hitting okay his last year.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
C?
Or 3B?
Or…. never mind. I’m sure the computer isn’t that dumb.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
carp (paraphrased): "117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"
by natteringnabob on Mar 10, 2010 11:32 PM PST up reply actions
3B and then eventually 1B by 2019 or so.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
how much did he weigh at the end of his career?
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by greatgiantfan on Mar 11, 2010 12:43 AM PST up reply actions
That’s a really strange bounceback season + 5. Robots don’t care about accolades!
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Mar 11, 2010 12:44 AM PST up reply actions
I'd be pretty happy if his real career was like that
except that they should all say SFN.
TRAITOR
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low loyalty rating maybe
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
carp (paraphrased): "117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"
by natteringnabob on Mar 11, 2010 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
Hey, in OOTP, when a player suddenly has two mediocre years in a row, they usually don’t bounce back! I could not have known!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Whatever you need to tell yourself
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dammit i thought you meant you just finished reading/watching Order of the Phoenix. So how about that Sirius, huh?
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
by shanghaijim on Mar 10, 2010 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
my take
guy was a hero in high school and got a contract. Played the game. Didn’t make the show. No tragedy that I see. Still has his life in front of him. Geez. I don’t pity the guy. I envy him.
I played semi-pro for a year and it was great. Played ball two-four games a week and loved it. Didn’t have the tools. Should somebody weep for me? Get on with life. Go to school. Get a job like the rest of us and treasure your memories. Play softball or rec baseball. Have a good time. Be the star. What, is he gonna cry himself to sleep? I’d fall asleep remembering the good times.
Umm...k
I don’t think Grant was asking anyone to cry for him
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by bondslegend on Mar 10, 2010 11:09 PM PST up reply actions
yikes
Just saw a link to this article. I guess that’s what happens when fans completely ignore the personal aspect of sports.
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I have to admit
when Dilfer got injured in 07 I damn nearly cheered. I was still hoping he was OK, but that was the only way he’d get removed from the game, and at that point he was killing the team.
That said, Anderson gave Browns fans a season they won’t soon forget in 07, so to treat him that way is totally unacceptable.
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by bondslegend on Mar 10, 2010 11:11 PM PST up reply actions
Late to the party...
nice post Grant. This made me think of Freddy Sanchez and how we (including me) think of him either as either exhibit A as to why Sabean should be fired or in terms of his scouting report. We don’t think about how he feels everyday that he is unable to play or how his family has adjusted moving from Pittsburgh to San Francisco.
I also think that this is one of the reasons we love Pablo-he seems to realize that this is a game and while he loves playing baseball, he understands that things like his family are far more important.
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by Gobroks on Mar 10, 2010 11:50 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Nice Post
I watch baseball because of the little guys. don’t get me wrong I love Pablo, and timmy, but I would REALLY LOVE to see eli whiteside go on a tear. or Broshius get a chance. I’ll take a first carreer hit over a 3000th career hit any day.
by Giants Midnight Replay on Mar 11, 2010 6:39 AM PST reply actions
Yes, I would like some bbatteries please
“what kind?”
BBATTERIES! Jeez I’ve said it 3 times!
and D batteries are hard for foreigners.
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by bondslegend on Mar 11, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
OT LOL GLEN BECK
fuck you
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You talkin Masey?
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by say hey nation on Mar 11, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
indeed
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by bondslegend on Mar 11, 2010 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
did you watch the daily show too?
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
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indeed
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by bondslegend on Mar 11, 2010 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
Explain!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 11, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
Watch last night's daily show
explains it way better than I could
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by bondslegend on Mar 11, 2010 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
If only I was allowed to stream video at work.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 11, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
I'd try to explain it
but it’s just not as funny if you don’t see it. It’s worth the wait to get home
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I almost felt bad for him, he was so excited about the interview and then it totally flopped.
Almost.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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i would have felt bad, had he not continually tried to dig into him to say anything detrimental about congress.
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I would feel bad for him if he hadn’t of already felt bad for himself.
/laughs at christmas sweater story
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by say hey nation on Mar 11, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
Movie talk
originally I was confused at how hurt locker won so many awards. Now that I’m watching it I’m pissed Renner didn’t win best actor. He’s awesome.
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Did I miss all the academy awards talk? Because the way they cut off everyone’s speech but then dedicated 25 minutes to set up the best actor/actress wards had me pissed off.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Yeah
and then Tom Hanks basically just walked out and blurted out the best picture winner, there was no buildup at all because they were so crunched for time. Really annoying
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