Community Projections: Aubrey Huff
by Grant Brisbee on Mar 1, 2010 2:03 PM PST
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PrintLet’s get this out of the way: I would stab you and everyone you care about if it meant that I could watch a baseball game right now. It’s the time of the offseason where I snap. I don’t want five questions. I want baseball. I don’t want to know who came to camp 43 pounds lighter with a new dedication to flossing. I want baseball. And I will cut you for it.
Good. Glad we agree. Now I’d like to present the But They Were Good Two Years Ago All-Stars:
Andres Galarraga
Kenny Lofton
...and the But They Were Good Two Years Ago All-Duds:
Edgar Renteria
Ryan Klesko
Steve Finley
Ricky Ledee
You would think the lists would be longer, but that’s because you’re thinking of players who either a) weren’t really good at all (Tom Goodwin, Charlie Hayes, Shawon Dunston, Shea Hillenbrand, Shawon Dunston the second time, Michael Tucker, and Shawon Dunston the third time), or b) were older but pretty good all along (Moises Alou, Ellis Burks, Reggie Sanders). I also thought that, "Gee, if he can just do what he did back in (year of unexpected success), he’ll be a steal!"was a more common theme with Brian Sabean’s acquisitions. My bad.
But those players aren’t especially encouraging. Galarraga and Lofton came over mid-season, when teams were able to make sure they weren’t cooked. The rest of the goofs were surfing on name recognition only, for the most part.
On a completely unrelated topic, we come to Aubrey Huff. "But he was good two years ago!", the optimist cries. Yes. Yes, he was. He was also quite possibly the least valuable player in the major leagues last year when defense and position are taken into account. FanGraphs puts it best with this:
Huff isn’t the sort of player you should target. The upside is average production for the position, while the downside is he’s done as a serviceable starter. There’s not much incentive in that proposition.
That paragraph might make you a little bitter, or it might not do anything for you, and that all depends on how you feel about Travis Ishikawa. If I had to rewrite the above quote to fit Ishikawa, it'd read something like this:
Ishikawa's upside -- and it's a really unlikely upside -- is average production and a good glove for the position, while the downside is he’ll never be a serviceable starter. There’s not much incentive in that proposition.
So as an alternative to Ishikawa, I'm not too bent out of shape about Huff. Hoping for a magical, unlikely return to form from Huff is just as crazy as hoping that Ishikawa's 192 at-bats of Fresno nuttery in 2008 represents some sort of true talent level. It's all crazy. And knowing that the Giants tried to pick up the Steven Spielbergs (Adam LaRoche and Nick Johnson) to Huff's Señor Spielbergo, I'm not going to waste my time trying to figure out which puddle of unrealistic is slipperier.
With a player like Ishikawa, though, it would have been nice if the Giants had a right-handed complement. Like, a lefty-mashing kind of guy, and his defense wouldn't have needed to be great because Ishikawa could be a defensive replacement. I don't know where the Giants would find a player like that, though. Sounds expensive. You'd probably have to give up a top pitching prospect in a trade, or something.
There aren't a lot of reasons to be bullish on Huff, and there are plenty to be bearish. Projections from various sources:
Bill James: .267/.334/.445, 521 AB, 20 HR
CHONE: .263/.327/.438, 525 AB, 19 HR
PECOTA: .280/.345/.466, 483 AB, 18 HR
ZiPS: .260/.323/.431, 531 AB, 18 HR
I'd be giddy with the PECOTA projection, which says more about the past two decades of Giants first basemen than anything else. Alas, I can't get that optimistic:
Aubrey Huff:
AB: 369
AVG: .255
OBP: .318
SLG: .409
HR: 14
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I watched a baseball game today!
Pac-10 baseball, UCLA vs, someone else.
As far as your projection, it’s okay because, umm, well I don’t know. Jesus Guzman?
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Was Cole pitching?
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Cole is the Friday SP.
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Mar 1, 2010 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
Ah, OK.
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Teams will usually will have the best 1-2-3 on Fri-Sat-Sun. Then throw a pitcher that is a work in progress (or a fringe Sun guy) on the Mon or Tues non-league game. At least, that seems to be the trend.
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Mar 1, 2010 8:50 PM PST up reply actions
OK
Thanks man, I don’t follow college baseball that much until draft season
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yeah sure
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by greatgiantfan on Mar 1, 2010 11:36 PM PST up reply actions
I have a bet with a Phillie fan friend
That Huff’s OPS+ will be higher than Placido Polanco’s
So my uber optimistic prediction is something like:
.270 / .335 / .465
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
Oh, and
I think he’ll only have like 10-15 HR’s, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he had a pretty good doubles total, with AT&T being a good park for that, and Huff having lost enough weight to move around a lot better.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
I'm torn
Between thinking that 2008 and 2009 cancel each other out, an he’ll go back to being the same bland 1-ish WAR/year player he was for three years before that, and thinking that he’s totally worthless and finished at this point.
Aw, fuck it: I won’t deny my inner pessimism on this one, even if it’s perfectly reasonable to do so.
AB: 350
AVG: .244
OBP: .307
SLG: .379
HR: 9
Of all the dumb moves this year, Huff was the one to drive me most crazy. Okay, yeah, it’s a one-year deal. But I don’t agree with the notion that, if it’s a one-year deal, it can’t be a bad signing because OMG LOW RISK ONLY ONE YEAR!!! It’s still a bad deal if you’re paying a few million dollars to some worthless sub-replacement player who makes your team worse by being in the lineup and your fucking manager is too stupid and/or stubborn to take his sorry ass out of the lineup. Fuck this signing. It was dumb as shit and I bet both Ishikawa or Garko would’ve done better for us than freaking Huff will.
In conclusion: meh.
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Fuck this signing. It was dumb as shit and I bet both Ishikawa or Garko would’ve done better for us than freaking Huff will.
I don’t even have to give a projection, you just summed up my feelings nicely. I hope/project Huff to fail miserably and be outproduced by every other available option (including Ishikawa to limit the harm to the Giants, unless said harm is the difference between Sabean being fired or not)…..
by Missing Barry on Mar 1, 2010 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
I agree
I’d say Huff & Guzman would give us similar production with the bat…Huff would probably be slightly more valuable with the glove
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Guzman’s MLE: .276 / .323 / .413
Huff’s CHONE: .263 / .327 / .438,
Sigh.
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Really? Rooting for the Giants to be worse just so Sabean will get fired? I mean, I guess in six months you’ll get four minutes of pleasure saying “I told you so,” but until then… what a shitty, miserable, unfun way to watch baseball.
My son is Madison Bumgarner, the Spacebat of pitching prospects. My other son is a Porsche.
Although I agree it’s not a fun way to watch baseball, it makes sense long-term. GM value is a huge factor in a team’s success, so if the Giants sucking this year meant Sabean was fired and replaced by a good GM (not inevitable) the Giants would (I think) immediately be better and would be better for a long time to come.
by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 1, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
Also, I don’t think rooting for Huff to suck means the Giants will be worse. If the Giants were smart and replaced him quickly, say working Bowker in, I think they’re better.
by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 1, 2010 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
Nah.
I’m rooting for everyone to outperform their projections. It won’t happen! But I actually like the whole narrative of a bunch of has-beens and would-bes who even their own fans hate tearing up the league.
And the thing is? Sabean would get extended in that case, and probably deservedly so! That’s two years in a row he exceeded absolutely everyone’s expectations; that actually qualifies as “success”.
But it won’t happen. Far more likely, this team will suck, and Sabean will get fired and replaced with Bill Bavasi.
And therefore there are plenty of reasons to stay positive…
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Your Bill Bavasi talk will not be tolerated!
I’m not sure it would be deservedly so. Sabean has made several unwise decisions even just the last year and a half. If he happens to catch lightning in a bottle on a couple and the Giants continue to outplay their offensive talent, I don’t think Sabean should be rewarded for having bad decisions turn out well. He should be rewarded if he makes intelligent baseball decisions, because that’s what builds long-term success. Getting lucky for a couple of years doesn’t build long-term success.
by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 1, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
No, but the nurturing of a strong young pitching core is what allows this “good luck” to create absolute fucking miracles like last year. And that’s all Sabean and his staff.
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Perhaps so (and I’d chalk up last year’s pitching in part to luck), but with better management, the Giants wouldn’t need good luck to make the playoffs. They would merely need luck, or even perhaps not need any luck at all. Now that would impress me. Regardless of the pitching, there is no reason the Giants should have such bad offense, or should make such bad decisions (Huff, Molina, F. Sanchez) in trying to improve it.
by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 1, 2010 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
Well, if the Giants overperform again, it starts to call into question whether that’s luck; that’s all I’m saying.
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Perhaps, but I’m not sure, as luck can strike twice. And to be clear, by overperform, I mean performing better than career numbers indicate a player would, or a team winning more games than their stats indicate they normally would.
And of course I want the Giants to win. But yeah, part of me hopes it’s with Lewis and Frandsen and Bowker in the line-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 1, 2010 5:06 PM PST up reply actions
Luck can strike twice, but every time it strikes, there’s less chance it’s luck (P values). Or to put it another way, I want to be wrong, I want everyone to be wrong, and I’d be happy were that the case. I suspect, re: comment above, some people wouldn’t. Which I find kind of sad.
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Yes, there is less chance it’s luck, but until there’s a fair bit of evidence that Sabean’s formula works to balance the vast evidence that it doesn’t, I’m reluctant to buy into Sabean’s formula.
I’ll still root for the Giants, but at the same time that I root for Sabean to get fired and an intelligent GM to get hired.
by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 1, 2010 5:46 PM PST up reply actions
I agree
I want the Giants to win, at the same time I’d rather they play horribly rather than mediocre.
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Nah.
If the Giants do anything but win the World Series, I will root for them to have done better.
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We get it
any criticism of Brain Sabean = not a fan.
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Well the reason I said this is because I think we can rebuild quickly
like within 2 years. I’d rather do that then continually sending out 75-87 teams.
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It’s not about “I told you so”, it’s about getting a competent GM that can actually take advantage of talents like Lincecum and Sandoval and turn this into a team that does perennially make the playoffs. Only the Dodgers can compete with us financially in the NL West, and as long as they have Colletti, we should be running away with the division (not entirely, I’ll recognize that Colletti inherited an extremely talented young core, but oh well). The fact that we aren’t, despite having Lincecum/Sandoval on cheap rookie deals is because Sabean sucks. We’re unlikely to make the playoffs this year, so yes, I can live with a poor season where we don’t make the playoffs and Sabean gets fired instead of finishing 2 games above .500, not making the playoffs, and Sabean not getting fired. Sometimes you have to sacrifice basically nothing in the short term for a long term gain. :)
by Missing Barry on Mar 1, 2010 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
Its like boycotting to get Cohan to sell….
banned like chris andersen
by MDB on Mar 3, 2010 1:17 AM PST up reply actions
also
It pains me to say this, because he’s turned out to be such a jackass, but Shawon Dunston really wasn’t bad for us the first time around. 98 OPS+ as a shortstop ain’t bad.
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Tucker’s first year here also, in hindsight, wasn’t nearly as bad as it seemed at the time. Fortunately, he made up for it with his second year.
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AB: 247
AVG: .252
OBP: .299
SLG: .418
HR: 6
Post-game Huff-masturbation references by Kruk: 4
Derin McMains had five fingers, but he only used three.
Footnotes from 2007...(TMI alert)
Orioles infielder Aubrey Huff had himself a nice little interview with Bubba the Love Sponge on Sirius Satellite Radio in which he commendably called Baltimore a “horseshit town,” estimated that he had slept with between two hundred and three hundred women, and talked about how he prefers masturbating to preparing for whatever opponent he might be facing.
Bubba: “Now Aubrey, do you jack off a lot on the road, like when you’re not with your wife.”
Huff: “It’s all I do. It’s all I do. You guys have no idea how much downtime there is in baseball. You wake up from a hangover about 1 o’clock.”
Producer shouts: “In the afternoon?”
Huff: “Oh, yeah! Lemme tell you this. When you are hung over, how horny are you? I’m horny, when I’m hungover, I’m horny. So I’m just gonna beat off. And that’s all I do.”
Derin McMains had five fingers, but he only used three.
You wake up from a hangover about 1 o’clock.
And with that little insight into the man’s in season, training regimen, I’ll go with:
117 ABs
.189/.265/.302
2 HRs
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
Wait...that's not a good training regimen?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 1, 2010 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
I’m not sure what to think now. I know I’ll probably have an image of Huff wacking off in my head every time I see him on TV. Oh, lordy, I hope he loses playing time quick.
by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 1, 2010 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
Over share of the year, right there.
Did not need to know this, but I am glad we will be able to work a masturbation reference in at every opportunity.
Huffing and puffing.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 1, 2010 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
It’s just too bad that the bat was corked.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 1, 2010 3:09 PM PST up reply actions
quick wrists?
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Oh, so that’s why DeRosa needed wrist surgery in the off-season. It all makes sense now.
in the best shape of my life
by Prussian Creole on Mar 1, 2010 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
Now I’m thinking of adopting Huff!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 1, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
Taught him everything he knows!
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I learned it from watching you, Dad! I learned it from watching you!
by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 1, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
Bleeding orange and black since 1987
by TehGreekStallion on Mar 1, 2010 7:16 PM PST up reply actions
Aubrey Huff beat the crap out of the baseball in BP today.
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by victor frankenstein on Mar 1, 2010 2:15 PM PST reply actions
Unfortunately, the baseball swore it would work out and learn the secret “slider” it keeps hearing about.
by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 1, 2010 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
Good contact with the wood in the 1PM session.
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must've used extra lube
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Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
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by natteringnabob on Mar 1, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
I believe...that Panda will be at 1B by midseason and Bowker will be starting
AB:282
Avg: .241
OBP: .282
SLG: .402
HR: 7
Number of times Garko’s line and Huff’s line from that day’s game are in the same post: 11
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Why not just move Bowker to 1B? or DeRosa to 1B and Bowker to LF?
basically why would Pablo move to 1B?
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Because he’s fat.
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But then how is he able to move?
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by theghostofjasonellison on Mar 1, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
just what I think the org would do. Pablo at 1st, derosa at 3rd, bowker in LF. It could go either way, but the way the FO has been talking, i think they’d move him to 1B
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 1, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
I thought DeRosa and Panda had similar UZR's at 3B
so they would want to keep their best player at a more important position
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Would you rather have Bowker in left or at 1st? Personally, I’d rather see him in left. I frankly don’t care what position Pablo plays, as long as he’s in the lineup.
Bowker at 1B
I think his defense will be passable there and DeRosa’s strong LF defense will help us out instead of just sticking him at 1B
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Bowker didn't look very good there
but he’s a decent athlete and I think he could improve.
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Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
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by natteringnabob on Mar 1, 2010 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
My reasoning is that he could be passable
probably similar to Huff, in fact. And then we could use DeRosa in a position where defense is more important.
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But not in relation to other positions. I’d rank first base as the defensively easiest position to play. Sure, it’s still hard, but basically a first baseman has to catch throws. And even with throws in the dirt, that’s easier than tracking and catching up to fly balls and line drives, or fielding ground balls and making throws to first.
by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 1, 2010 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
I dunno, if you’ve got those three guys on the field, why wouldn’t you put Pablo at first and DeRosa at 3rd knowing that they can already play those positions? Why mess around trying to learn whether Bowker can learn first or not?
FU, FO
Because Pablo & DeRosa are similar at 3rd according to UZR
but DeRosa is very good in LF, and I think Bowker could be fine at 1B
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If you move a bad fielding third baseman to first, he should improve a by a handful of runs. Moving Pablo to first and Bowker to the outfield would likely more than offset the loss from moving DeRosa to third.
Theoretically first base and left field should be about equivalent, however we all know this is not always the case. Some guys just can’t play IF, some just can’t read fly balls.
Bowker’s only experience at 1B was his 50 or so defensively terrifying games in 2008. UZR hated it and just about everyone who remembers it agrees that he looked like hot garbage out there.
FU, FO
I think DeRosa good defense in LF would override Bowker’s subpar defense at 1B
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Also, Bowker has some first base experience – 69 games started there in the majors and 29 there in the minors (all coming in the last two years). So he’s not exactly new to the position.
by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 1, 2010 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
He was pretty bad as a 1B.
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I think he could about as good as Huff
maybe I’m too optimistic about Bowker.
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Oh most definitely (although it is a small sample size for UZR), but it’s not like Huff is golden glove over there. Bowker’s D is nothing to praise, but in terms of the best defensive alignment I’d go with Derosa in left, Pablo at third and Bowker at first.
by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 1, 2010 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
I was assuming Huff wouldn’t be around for that alignment to play out.
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Definitely imagining a world without Huff, but I’m thinking about Bowker in comparison to Huff.
Perhaps not the way I should be thinking about it. Still, if Derosa, Bowker and Pablo are going to manage first, third and left in some combo, I think I’d go with Bowker at first. If he really sucks, then I’d move him back to left, but I’d prefer to put the defensively weakest player at first.
by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 1, 2010 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
I was thinking this
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of course, there’s the likely alignment Bochy would like of: LF DeRosa, 3B Uribe, 1B Sandoval
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 1, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
When Grant posts Uribe's projections I'm going to trash him
I think he’s in line for a major regression
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Why?
Just based on his several years of performance?
:)
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Mainly that
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I could see him *deserving* to lose his job to Downs and/or Rohlinger by Mid July
He won’t though because he was good last year-and I already think Frandsen deserves the job over Uribe
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I'll predict mild but not total suckage!
AB: 515
AVG: .276
OBP: .329
SLG: .471
HR: 19
Actually that’s pretty much just his average production from 2006 – 2009. Sadly, that’s also me saying, “I’m going to make a prediction that is significantly better than what it should be.”
I don't know about that, to the groin.
i’d be stoked for that
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by theghostofjasonellison on Mar 1, 2010 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
I know! It’s significantly better than what it should be!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 1, 2010 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
I stole my projection numbers from another player
AB: 411
AVG: .260
OBP: .344
SLG: .401
HR: 6
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Y’all seem to be projecting crappy OBPs for everyone.
Not that one could blame you.
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by Stuttering John Tamargo on Mar 1, 2010 2:32 PM PST reply actions
There’s little reason to project anyone but Sandoval (assuming Posey and Lewis get no playing time) to post an obp over .350 in my opinion.
by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 1, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
“If you see the track records, they’re all aggressive hitters,” Meulens said. “Nobody’s going to walk 100 times on this team, but they have .280 and .290 career averages. The main thing is to get them to do what they do best — and that’s hit. Get a good pitch, get after it, square it up and put it in play. And hopefully they’ll find an open space.”
It’s not like he’s wrong…
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Except for the hitting bit. Average aside, they’re not so good at that.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
"If you see the track records, they’re allaggressivepoor to mediocre hitters," Meulens said. "Nobody’s going to walk100 timeson this team, and they have some pretty empty 280 and .290 career averages, especially Sanchez and Molina. The main thing is to get them to do what they do best — and that’shit.make unnecessary outs. Get a good pitch, get after it, square it up andput it inground out into a double play.And hopefullyMore than likely they’ll find anwont find an open space."
Other than the free beer and Huff’s kiddie-porn, I don’t really know why the fuck I left Curacao—probably because Andruw Jones owns most of it and he kept raising my rent
by E Ticket on Mar 1, 2010 8:00 PM PST up reply actions
AB: 300
AVG: .250
OBP: .330
SLG: .450
HR: 20
Worth it?: Nope.
Proud supporter of the Fightin' Hydrants.
That seems like a lot of homeruns for 300 ABs.
by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 1, 2010 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
AB: 323 (hoping he loses playing time)
AVG: .263
OBP: .331
SLG: .424
HR: 9
Purely against Ishikawa, Huff’s not an awful signing (although also not a good one) – one year with a small (quite small) chance he rebounds to an impressive offensive player. But in the context of the Giants’ other options after missing out on LaRoche and N. Johnson, and the money involved, I hate it. Waste of existing talent and of money. I’d rather have Ishikawa, even with his bad toe.
Better uses of the money spent to sign Huff:
-Giving Lincecum a little extra just cause he deserves it.
-Investing in the next great pyramid scheme.
-Saving a little money for when Cain and Lincecum hit free agency.
-Building a better mousetrap.
-Making it rain nightly.
-Taking the whole Giants system out to see Clash of the Titans, 3D.
-Investing in some statistical knowledge for the Giants’ front office.
-Vodka, lots and lots of vodka.
-Roulette.
-Improving the garlic fries because one can always improve on perfection.
-Cloning various Giants’ greats of the past before Selig bans cloning of baseball players.
-Hypnotising the Giants offense (except for Pablo) so that they learn to lay off sliders in the dirt.
-Buying gold from Goldline.
by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 1, 2010 2:40 PM PST reply actions
I like this one
Proud adoptive daddy for the Big Unit. Thanks for sharing a year of your great career with the Giants and their fans.
by Speedforthewin on Mar 1, 2010 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
"-Saving a little money for when Cain and Lincecum hit free agency."
My number one pet peeve with the Brassz.
They want to have the same player budget each year.
I’d rather, if they want an average budget of say $90MM, that in some years it was $70 and others $110, based on how good they are.
Their strategy means they overpay for mediocrity when they suck, and can’t afford anyone good when they have good players around them.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
The Marlins Way!!
Tough to argue with two World Series championships.
Seasons will pass you by. I get up, I get down.
I’d rather, if they want an average budget of say $90MM, that in some years it was $70 and others $110, based on how good they are.
Their strategy means they overpay for mediocrity when they suck, and can’t afford anyone good when they have good players around them.
Agree completely. It drives me nuts.
by Missing Barry on Mar 1, 2010 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
And therein lies the crux of everything.
Huff’s not an awful signing
Year in and year out Sabean signs reincarnations of Nefi Perez and Michael Tucker. It is Ground Hog Day every off-season
by E Ticket on Mar 1, 2010 8:03 PM PST up reply actions
The worst part about the Tucker signing
is that the draft we forfeited a pick for was easily the best draft of the decade
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
Hey, Thanks for salting the wounds up there big guy!
by E Ticket on Mar 1, 2010 9:25 PM PST up reply actions
AB: 425
AVG: .267
OBP: .310
SLG: .419
HR: 14
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 1, 2010 2:42 PM PST reply actions
I read AB 369 as BA .369
And thought WOW
"I never watched baseball on TV. It's slow and boring. I'm not a fan. Never was." - Jeff Kent
I did the same thing on Howie's projection.
Since he predicted 515 ABs you can imagine my wow.
The repetition is awesome. I think I’ll just start copying other people’s posts verbatim.
April – June: 3 months of meh
July-Sep: 3 months of “WHY THE F**K AREN’T YOU STARTING ISHI, BOCHY YOU F**KING IDIOT”
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Not as classy
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
At least Winn kept his road-trip masturbation stories to himself.
by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 1, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
prediction:
not very good, annoying to watch, target of some mid-season hilarious meme
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
This comment intrigues me.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 1, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
34 THIS PLACE IS 2 NEGATIVE fanposts
16 moderately realistic optimism fanposts
67 wholly unrealistic optimism fanposts
133 wholly unrealistic trade scenarios
3 moderately realistic trade scenarios
(numbers don’t go that high) comments about lunch
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
How many Eric Byrnes fanposts though?
Over/Under 109?
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
An opposing player on a non-profit lawyer softball league team once called me Eric Byrnes after I made a diving catch to rob him of extra bases. It was pretty cool.
by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 1, 2010 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
Did you do a flip when you threw the ball back into the infield?
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 1, 2010 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
Nah, it was the third out, but otherwise, every time I touched the ball I performed a flip. Sometimes even when I was hitting.
by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 1, 2010 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
I'll be the optimist
And peg Huff for around his career averages in the three slash stats
PA: 600
AVG: .282
OBP: .340
SLG: .472
HR: 22
Defense: -5 UZR at 1B
WAR: somewhere around 1.5
And still meh
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
AB: too many
AVG: in the shitter
OBP: not worthy of a contract
SLG: requisite for the 9 hole
HR: 2+ game winners – or – enough so that Sabean tenders him in oh-11 and the non-Lunatic Fringe can look past his sub-Molina-esque-ness and say “He’s JUST as valuable to us as Renteria!”
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Jason Stoffel, 2009 (Rookie + A-): 24IP, 1-0, 0.75 ERA, 5 S V, 25K. The heir apparent to B-Weez.
hmmm
I don’t know what kind of obscure nerd formula generated this prediction, but I think it’s weirdly accurate. I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
carp (paraphrased): "117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"
by natteringnabob on Mar 1, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
AB: 420
BA: .282
OBP: .315
SLG: .430
HR: 13
Number of douchey clubhouse/dugout/off-field incidents that lead to a fanpost on this site comparing him to A.J. Pierzynski: 3
"Those that drink the Kool-Aid, please leave the room."
AB too many
AVG .258
OBP .323
SLG .422
HR 18
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
I like looking at this prediction and thinking that 18 at bats is too many.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 1, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
Boo-ochy?
in the best shape of my life
by Prussian Creole on Mar 1, 2010 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
The season’s going to go something like this: Huff’s going to struggle defensively, and they will move him to LF, Pablo to 1B, and Uribe will start 3B. The McCoven will wail and gnash teeth at the lack of faith in Bowker and the unsubstantiated faith in Huff’s Molina-like hitting (read: RIBBIES!). Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
AB: 500
AVG: .265
OBP: .290
SLG: .395
HR: 9
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
And all of your friends and family will laugh at you when you suggest that Lewis would play better defense in left.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 1, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
THEY'RE ALL GONNA LAUGH AT YOU!
I decided against the blood.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Having Carrie’s sinful head in the way makes it look like Senor Prom. Sounds like pretty cool gay bar.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Señor Prom.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 1, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
Thank god you cleared up that monumental confusion.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
My fiance was actually pretty annoyed that I didn’t use the ene.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Some laptops have number pads.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 1, 2010 5:28 PM PST up reply actions
Nor mine. Whenever I get it. Soon, I hope.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 1, 2010 5:32 PM PST up reply actions
true story
My dad always scoffs at my suggestions that Lewis should be playing left field. “All he does is strike out”. Sigh.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Mar 1, 2010 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
It’s true though. In 931 major league at bats, Lewis has 934 strike outs. Three times he actually managed to strike out twice during the same at bat. Boggles the mind. Also, he uses a frying pan instead of a glove in left field, from what I hear.
by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 1, 2010 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
My dad says the Giants should go after Dye. Yeah, I haven’t had the talk with him yet.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
The idea of Huff playing left field makes me sad, and not just because it’ll mean every flyball to left field triggers an image of Huff wanking it.
by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 1, 2010 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
that's too high
to be Bengie’s stats this year.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
carp (paraphrased): "117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"
by natteringnabob on Mar 1, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
deep thought
Freddy Sanchez with the Giants, 2009: .284 / .295 / .324, 397 injuries
Ryan Garko with the Giants, 2009: .235 / .307 / .330, 0 injuries
Sanchez: given 2-year, $12 million contract extenion
Garko: DFAed, replaced by freaking Aubrey Huff
Explanation: Freddy Sanchez hit “almost” .300; Ryan Garko hit just over .200.
/sobs
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Nah, that's not it.
My son is Madison Bumgarner, the Spacebat of pitching prospects. My other son is a Porsche.
Okay, then, what?
If you’re telling me it’s positional difference, I scoff – if the Giants see first base as a position where you have to have a big hitter, please explain the past 16 years.
Keep in mind (and I can’t find the exact quote right now – maybe someone else can dig it up) Sabean said, after the season, that while Sanchez’s injuries were a problem, you can’t deny how well he did for us when he was in the lineup.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
bad player evaluation, except for JT?
if the Giants see first base as a position where you have to have a big hitter, please explain the past 16 years.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
carp (paraphrased): "117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"
by natteringnabob on Mar 1, 2010 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
To be fair, JT put up decent offensive numbers on a team that wasn’t exactly hurting for offense. Our first basemen lately have been putting up below average offensive numbers on a team desperate for some offense. And none of them, not even Ishi, wield the leather like JT.
that's why I said "except"
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
carp (paraphrased): "117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"
by natteringnabob on Mar 1, 2010 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
I think it's all a dream sequence.
We’ll wake up tomorrow and Will Clark will be our starting first baseman again.
The repetition is awesome. I think I’ll just start copying other people’s posts verbatim.
J.T. was only really a big hitter for two seasons. Otherwise, he was in the 90-115 OPS+ range, which is pretty unremarkable.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
What made up for JT’s lack of power except for a few years was having Jeff Kent and Rich Aurilla (at least for a few seasons) taking care of the “power” teams expect from their corner infielders. That’s how they could get away with Mueller/Bell at 3b and Snow at 1st because their power came from the MI. Plus JT was a god with the glove and my favorite player. I hated them trying to replace him every year with Damon Minor. So I may have a little bias.
becuase
You wouldn’t want to have TOO MUCH power in the lineup… it would lead to an imbalance in The Force or something.
Heaven forbid you fortify your Excellent hitting middle infielders with Average hitting at the corners… that would be… I dunno… unchivalrous or something.
TEMPORARY SIG AWAITING FINAL SABEAN APOCALYPSE
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game in development
Yeah, sorry, that was glib.
But the theory that Brian Sabean doesn’t know how to read the back of a baseball card doesn’t hold up with his actual record of acquiring players (Sanchez excepted, I don’t really see him as having pursued many BA-only guys at all [the last one was… oh dear… Pierzynski]. In fact, he’s more consistently gone after guys with a strong defensive rep, which is most likely what has him in love with Freddy and in hate with other Freddy). He definitely has some problems reading beyond the previous year’s output on a baseball card, but he’s not alone in that.
Honestly? I think Bochy benched Garko to help him slump-bust. and Garko bitched. Bochy and Sabean seem to be developing a reputation of blackballing guys who do that. Baggs sort of hinted at that early in the offseason. It’s almost as stupid a reason to get rid of a player! But I think it ties in more strongly with Sabean’s general m.o.
But “Brian Sabean is a functional illiterate” is pretty unconvincing.
My son is Madison Bumgarner, the Spacebat of pitching prospects. My other son is a Porsche.
I sure used "but" a lot there.
For someone who used to be a professional writer, I’m a terrible writer.
My son is Madison Bumgarner, the Spacebat of pitching prospects. My other son is a Porsche.
Hillenbrand was also a BA-only guy, right?
Osiris, Lord of the Dead, and relief pitcher for the San Francisco Giants.
Yes
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
You're right.
And Sabean went WAY out of his way to keep Hillenbrand on the team.
You really think Hillenbrand was acquired because Sabean was in love with his BA? You don’t think Hillenbrand was maybe acquired because he was the cheapest alternative to Niekro at the time?
My son is Madison Bumgarner, the Spacebat of pitching prospects. My other son is a Porsche.
“It’s not easy to be a .300 hitter in both leagues,” Sabean said. “He’s always hit a lot of doubles. He can hit a home run and he can drive in big runs. In Toronto, he was playing first, third and DHing. I think the opportunity to play every day, not only for us but for his sake, is probably going to be good for both parties.”
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Also remember to mention his kids.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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Sorry for the sarcasm.
If your point was that he undervalues walks, that’s a really good quote to pull out! However, t doesn’t really support your point that Sabean saw Hillenbrand as a BA-only player and was totally excited by that.
Jesus, I don’t want to defend Sabean, particularly, and certainly not Hillenbrand, but there’s a lot of smart people taking extraordinarily simplistic and intellectually lazy views of the process. It’s frustrating.
My son is Madison Bumgarner, the Spacebat of pitching prospects. My other son is a Porsche.
Breaking out Dayton Moore quotes are we?
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
Also, I don't know how to use the reply function.
Ehh. The Internet wins again, I guess.
My son is Madison Bumgarner, the Spacebat of pitching prospects. My other son is a Porsche.
Wait a minute, it looks like he values doubles and HRs a lot too! And defensive versatility! What a damning quote you’ve uncovered.
So again—you really believe that there were lots of 1B Sabean could’ve gotten with Accardo, and Hillenbrand had the shiniest BA?
My son is Madison Bumgarner, the Spacebat of pitching prospects. My other son is a Porsche.
This seems like a big old mess of logical fallacies right here.
He traded for Hillenbrand because he was desperate and Hillenbrand is a superficially good-looking player – high BA, decent doubles and HR numbers, (undeserving) ALL-STAR!!!! But looking even slightly below the surface – he’s a terrible hitter for a 1B/DH, he doesn’t actually have any defensive versatility because he can’t play first or third competently (LOL if you seriously think he does, come on man, this is Shea Hillenbrand) and he’s only a good hitter if he’s hitting around .300 (and even then, he’s not particularly good for a guy with no defensive value.) Okay, yes, keeping it all in terms of batting average is probably grossly simplistic… but Hillenbrand is totally a Sabean-type of player. He looks good in terms of basic stuff – BA/HR/RBI but go even slightly deeper than that and you see he sucks.
But where the hell am I arguing that there were lots of 1B out there that Sabean could have gotten with Accardo and that he chose Hillenbrand because he had the shiniest BA? I mean, I don’t even know where to start there. What the hell?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Circles and circles
I said that Sabean didn’t have a track-record of selectively valuing and targetting BA-only players. You said that Hillenbrand was an example of that.
But it seems obvious that Hillenbrand was an example of Sabean going into the season with a crap 1B and no backup plan, and having to take the first cheap thing that fell his way. Whatever the hell he said to the press to make it look shiny and non-desperate, it was a desperate move due to cover some dumb optimism about Niekro. For it to be an example of Sabean overvaluing a BA-only player, there’d have to be some evidence that, for the value given up (Accardo), Sabean could’ve gotten a better, non-BA-only player.
And really, it’s a bit frustrating that this would be something that I’d have to argue; not only is it hardly a vindication of Sabean, it seems like this was always the commonly accepted interpretation of that trade.
(and to start, this little subthread is all me trrying to rebut JCB’s assertion that Garko was dumped purely because his BA was too low)
My son is Madison Bumgarner, the Spacebat of pitching prospects. My other son is a Porsche.
Well, I still think he’s a good example of that. Players who are only valuable if they have a high batting average (even if they do contribute some dingerz) still fit into that category for me.
And I really do think that Sabean thought Hillenbrand was a good pick-up. I mean, Accardo was not really chopped liver he was giving up – he was a pretty good pitcher even at the time (mediocre ERA but good peripherals) and he ended up being a good reliever before he got injured. We’re not talking about spare parts he gave up for him.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
But I don’t think Sabean has been all that consistent in targetting that kind of player. Velez would’ve been that kind of player, but it’s pretty obvious he got run out of the starting lineup (and probably off the team),by potentially better all-around hitters. Molina is sort of that kind of player, but his presence last year was actually a different fallacy—that power (not BA) trumps other skills out of a cleanup spot.
You’re probably right that Sabean overvalues BA and counting stats, but that’s not the same as him being too stupid to figure out the relative values of Garko’s and Sanchez’s seasons. I don’t really find his lame salesmanship on a desperation acquisition a particularly compelling insight into his player evaluation methodology; I think it’s more telling as to how dumb he thinks the fans are. Again, he was happy enough to let Hillenbrand walk off into the sunset and play with goats, or kangaroos, or whatever the hell was on his farm ee-i-ee-i-whiff.
My son is Madison Bumgarner, the Spacebat of pitching prospects. My other son is a Porsche.
I dunno, it might just be TAAALK but he has done nothing but say that Sanchez played well for us when he was healthy – and it doesn’t take a whole lot of legwork to look it up and see, gee, he really didn’t. I’m pretty sure I saw him say (back in September) something like, “he hit .295 for us, he played well when healthy.”
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Again, I think that “he likes BA-only guys” is a super-lazy reduction of “his team has some major player evaluation flaws”.
But now here’s another thought I’m playing with. If you’ve sort of alienated your best good players, pissed off your fellow GMs that it’s impossible to get them to conduct a balanced trade, and made enemies of agents to the point that players will accept underpayment to not have to play on your team, how the hell do you put together a last-ditch competitive squad? Especially in a time when the exec heroes of the free baseball world are Epstein and Beane and the “every out counts” crew?
You pick up BA-heavy players players who’s BAs were depressed by crap BABIP luck. Because the best way to hope to get lucky is to sign guys who are heavily dependent on or down-on-their luck…
My son is Madison Bumgarner, the Spacebat of pitching prospects. My other son is a Porsche.
"Lazy" sounds sort of dickish. Sorry.
But you know what I mean. I suspect the problems are more complex and, well, interesting than that.
My son is Madison Bumgarner, the Spacebat of pitching prospects. My other son is a Porsche.
Or maybe you fire your GM who’s gotten your team into such a fucked up position
lol
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Like I said, wasn’t claiming at any point that Sabean was a good GM. I just think he can suck without necessarily being a functional illiterate.
My son is Madison Bumgarner, the Spacebat of pitching prospects. My other son is a Porsche.
…which nobody has said. What we have said is that he has blind spots a mile wide and appears to be too stubborn to learn from his mistakes.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Exactly. And until this changes, people will be talking about meaningful games in September and the assholes in LA NYC and elsewhere will be talking about meaningful games in October and November
by E Ticket on Mar 1, 2010 8:11 PM PST up reply actions
Batting average isn’t the ONLY thing he loves – you rightly point out that he at least likes guys who can play good defense – but it’s definitely something he’s overly fond of.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
He'll be good enough that he won't be "the problem"
…but nothing more than pedestrian:
AB: 400
AVG: 270
OBP: 330
SLG: 424
HR: 15
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
Well "the problem" will probably be DFA'd before opening day
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
I guess I’m optimisticker than most on this one. What a weird feeling.
I’m thinking .280/.345/.450 or so, 550 at-bats.
And yet optimisticker than most produces a .795 ops. From the Giants’ first-friggin-baseman. Not good. In fact, completely ungood.
by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 1, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
I had to for a moment if only for my mental health.
by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 1, 2010 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
Nice Simpsons reference.
/auto-defenestrates
Dear Internet,
Please fire Brian Sabean.
Signed,
Me
FREE KEVIN FRANDSEN!!! Member of the Frandsen 5% Club.
by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Mar 1, 2010 4:08 PM PST reply actions
Sure, it's off-topic
But it’s pretty funny that Tim Tebow ran a 6.66 time in his cone drill at the NFL combine.
It’s a pun goldmine.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
What is a good time?
Is this impressive for a QB or impressive for anyone or what?
I don’t get it.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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If you don’t get it, Natto, then you’re not ready to.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 1, 2010 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
Are we talking about my Pokemon Trainer’s badge?
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I guess the new "Tebow" will be unveiled on his pro day
Remember when Flanders was the devil…
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Mar 1, 2010 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
I’ll bring the milk! I hope you guys like non-fat.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 1, 2010 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
As long as its organic. I do have morals, you know.
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 1, 2010 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
Shhhhhhhhhhhh! Dont blow my cover!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 1, 2010 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
Not bad enough to be benched
AB: 475
AVG: .255
OBP: .315
SLG: .410
HR: 15
The fact that this is not bad enough for a poor fielding first baseman to be benched makes me sad.
It was only a matter of time.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 1, 2010 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
Laughing with joy.
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Don’t get too excited, I’m pretty sure this just means that Botchy had them sitting in the dugout with a felt pen marking off all the other players on the score card that actually got to play.
Ford tripled. Bowker bowked one over the RF wall.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Mar 1, 2010 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
BUY FORD!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 1, 2010 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
They’re all awesome. It’s gonna be sad to see when they get to that part of the season.
FREE BUSTER POSEY
I think I saw on their facebook page last week it’s under a month. They usually start it mid or late March.
FREE BUSTER POSEY
i’m pretty sure any show on discovery dealing with fisherman or the Bering sea looks good, and Mythbusters, and Man Vs. Wild, and planet earth
Yeah, you can’t go wrong with fisherman shows up in Alaska. Nothing really compares to what they go through.
FREE BUSTER POSEY
Definitely. When you look at what they go through year after year, it’s insane to see some people doing it for like 25 or 30 years.
FREE BUSTER POSEY
God damn you. My ex keeps talking about this, and the nearest TJ’s is 100 miles away…and I’ll probably still go sometime in the near future.
Champaign, IL is probably one of the last places on their list of “where we should next open a store.”
They show about 16 stores in Illinois, but I guess what? 14 of those cities are actually Chicago suburbs?
Yup. All too familiar with this.
It’s sad that this somewhat shifts the equilibrium of whether I take public transportation to O’Hare or drive so that I can stop at TJ’s on my way back.
Let us all know when you’ll be going… we’ll all pitch in and write you up a nice big long list of things to look for!!
I just ate a tiny box of raisins.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 1, 2010 5:02 PM PST up reply actions
Were there any raisins in it?
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I ate the raisins first and then the box.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 1, 2010 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
Peanut rama in honor of it being National Peanut Butter Lover’s Day.
by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 1, 2010 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
Pan seared tritip with a chantrelle white wine reduction, wild carrots and brown rice
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
I’ve decided that Giants fans are apparently the most well-fed fans in baseball. Except for those who eat only raisins for dinner.
by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 1, 2010 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
he ate the box too.
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
We need something to go with our wine.
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Kraft cheese slices.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 1, 2010 5:32 PM PST up reply actions
String cheese
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Question
When you eat string cheese, do you peel it or just chomp away?
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I adopt a hybrid method. I’ll peel one or two thick slices off, and then chomp away at what’s left. And at some point, I eat the two slices I peeled off first.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 1, 2010 5:35 PM PST up reply actions
Peel, it’s the reason string cheese exists.
Also, I hear Neal likes to peel!
by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 1, 2010 5:36 PM PST up reply actions
How would it make you feel?
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Only if the seal wore teal.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Mar 1, 2010 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
Then look at
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Mar 1, 2010 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
Probably not, but I haven’t checked yet.
by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 1, 2010 5:37 PM PST up reply actions
I melt it and pour the cheese lava into my eye sockets
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 1, 2010 5:36 PM PST up reply actions
The Vikings are tough bastards
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"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
With our box wine.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 1, 2010 5:30 PM PST up reply actions
Giant juice box!
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It was the first taste of alcohol Buster had had since he was nursing.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
Buster is nursing?
So That’s why Bengie is so big
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I don’t know yet.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 1, 2010 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
Chicken Strips & Fries from Jacks Urban Eats
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OT but
Merope, I think I found an essay that you would like. It’s called “Education, Past and Present” by John Gould Fletcher. It talks about American public schools (back in 1930) and so much of it still rings true today. There are some disagreeable parts (esp. in regard to blacks) but his overall message made me want to stand up and clap and cheer.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
LOL after just leafing through my latest CTA magazine I could use something positive. More budget cuts? Really? Just once I’d like to see the cuts tied to the reduction of administrative salaries and jobs. Bah!
pink slip anticipated here
for my wife, and my brother-in-law expects one in Amador Co.
I’ve heard of admin pink slips, and in my wife’s case they could leave a supervisor job vacant because the incumbent is taking a new job next year, but we bet they won’t.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
carp (paraphrased): "117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"
by natteringnabob on Mar 1, 2010 6:16 PM PST up reply actions
I used to go to Jacks 3 X a week.
when I worked in mid town. It was 2 blocks away.
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"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Turkey burgers and some kinda pasta thing?
Yay, dorm food!
A start for Kevin Pucetas is a start for Not Bumgarner. And don't you want Not Bumgarner in the Giants rotation?
Chicken cacciatore. I put in too much garlic (never thought there could be such a thing).
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Veggie burrito from my favorite taco truck.
Adopted father of the prettiest player in the organization, Nestor Rojas.
by stealth snail on Mar 1, 2010 7:34 PM PST up reply actions
Grilled cheese and pepperoni sandwich with leek and lentil soup.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Mar 1, 2010 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
WTF
wtf lol KLESKO hit a splash dinger the very first giants game I ever went too. Funny thing was Lowry was pitching that game too.
Biter.
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http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2010/3/1/1331147/community-projections-aubrey-huff#31542131
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I don’t know why, but I actually like Huff. I understand all the logical, well reasoned statistical arguments that say he probably won’t be much better this year than he was last year (and he may, in fact, turnout worse)… and yet still I can’t help but have the gut feeling that we’re in for a pleasant surprise— a short term solution at 1B who doesn’t completely suck, and might even be semi-worthy of the cleanup spot. Again, no factual basis for this, just a gut feeling. But as a fan, I’m entitled to go with my gut, and probably be wrong on this, so here goes:
AB: 425
BA: .290
OBP: .350
SLG: .480
HR: 16
I’d also like to say that I kinda hope the backup option if Huff does suck is Pablo at first, DeRosa at third, and give a young corner OF (Neal or Bowker with maybe an outside shot at Kieschnick) a shot in left.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Mar 1, 2010 5:34 PM PST reply actions
I like this one
But the two below are a little more realistic. When Bowker is ready he’s gonna mash… baseballs and potatoes
palindromes!
AB: 505
AVG: .262
OBP: .323
SLG: .434
HR: 17 (except that one)
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
I thought about going with 11
but I think he can get more than that.
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
But the more optimistic we are, the better he’s bound to be!
THAT’S HOW IT WORKS
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
That is some sound reasoning right there.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Mar 1, 2010 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
IFC is showing Holy Grail
They are at the Tim the Enchanter part now.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 1, 2010 6:08 PM PST reply actions
Stop making me jealous about my lack of cable.
by giantsfansince1981 on Mar 1, 2010 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
Too Much Huff
AB: 423
R: 62
H: 108
2B: 22
3B: 1
HR: 17
RBI: 72
AVG: 255
BB: 37
HBP: 5
SF: 6
OBP: .318
SLG: .433
OPS: .751
SB: 0
CS: 2
AB:450
AVG: .268
OBP: .370
SLG: .440
HR: 18
Probably wont be that bad, but i still think going young at the position would be better
Holy god. I would be giddy for that.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
A man can dream right? I had him on my fantasy team last year and he wasn’t terrible, until he went to Detroit
The problem is that Sabean will never trade Huff because we are always “in this thing!”.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
haha, this is true, no doubt he wont trade him, but i think the acquisition of Huff isn’t too bad at all
It’s not bad. It’s just pointless.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
True that… i mean, i kinda wished the giants would have just stuck with what they had, or given it to a young one, like Ishikawa…. Or an up and comer with Brett PIll
Lulz, up and comer.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Haha, we have heard it often. I think you know how I feel about Pillapalooza. I mean, if you want to talk about a young first-baseman as an alternative to Huff, look no farther than Ishikawa. The guy out-hit Huff as recently as last season.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
FP Santangelo starts his new show by discussing hockey and A’s baseball. Yeah….
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/09: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
actually he started
by telling a story of getting in a shouting match with some fool who was smoking behind him at a gas station. And I listened happily to this junk, knowing that 5 or 10 people had their lunches ruined today by Dumbon when they accidentally tuned into 1050.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
carp (paraphrased): "117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"
by natteringnabob on Mar 1, 2010 9:17 PM PST up reply actions
He will be better than Molina has been in the cleanup spot but not by much.
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis. To pass the time during the offseason I decided to try my hand at blogging about photography and music.
Actually… you know? i kinda agree… he probably will be slightly better than Molina, and i feel somewhat comfortable with this guy as a 4th or 5th place hitter
I would be better than Molina cleanup spot, and I wince every time a ball is thrown in my direction.
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Few creatures are, and I am not one of them.
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I hope I don’t shatter your view of the world, but in the original image, the kid is a football/soccer fan.
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I’ve always wondered which team’s jersey that kid actually had on- the original picture
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/09: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Waiting for a power surge that isn't coming
AB 450 (Bochy sticks with him till August, when Sabean acquires a 30-something 1B having a fluke year)
AVG .260
OBP .330
SLG .420
My projection?
Huff will have one of his patented horrible starts, gets benched by the start of May and the Gnats impose a round-robin at first base starting with Bowker, then Sandoval, then DeRosa and eventually settling on Ishikawa to end the season.
AB: 250
AVG: .245
OBP: .305
SLG: 385
HR: 7
MLB Network just replayed the Giants Town Hall Meeting. Looking at the schedule, it will be repeated several times this week.
"meh"
AB 0
AVG 0
OBP 0
SLG 0
HR 0
Won’t make a game all year. By 3/28 he will have splooged all his brains out on road trips to Hi-Corbett Field and drop dead from ingrown green palm hair.
Another one of Sabean’s douche jobs. If he keeps it up with these signings they’re going to have to have “Until There’s a Cure for Jock Itch Night” once a week.
by E Ticket on Mar 1, 2010 8:21 PM PST reply actions
Another one of Sabean’s douche jobs.
Given how much he splooges and how many other women he’s slept with, I hope they’re using something more effective than a douche.
Hence the “Cure for Jock Itch Night” no gender discrimination when trying to clean up this mess you know.
by E Ticket on Mar 1, 2010 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
OT: Kid Cudi is coming to school here for a show, fuck yea, and next month Wale is playing uptown at a bar, i’m so pumped, i know alot of you guys/gals here aren’t too familiar with the rap genre, but they’re alot different than the Lil Wayne’s and Jeezy, Rick Ross’s, both are by far some of the best out there right now
Wale is so awesome. His mixtapes are great. I was a little dissapointed by Attention Deficit though
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
Yea, i think that’s why i stick to the mixtapes, in my opinion many of the rappers mixtapes are better than their albums in general
Ohh see usually I think the other way around. Normally I love normal albums way more than mixtapes
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
I think it’s just your taste… like, Drake, he hasn’t came out with an album yet, but his mixtapes are pretty awesome, but you know? i might change that, i think it depends… Like, Lil Wayne came out with “No Ceilings” and it was pretty good, but all of his albums have been on the spot
Apparently a kid in my class
almost played a show with Wale before he got signed
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what i didn’t know is that he has been in the game for a while… but he kinda blew up lately… or was he just underground
I found out about him about a year ago. I’m not huge into keeping up with the absolute latest, but I do like to find new people
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
Yea, agreed, i mean, he’s pretty damn good, he’s like a RAPPER, not all about the beats and all that, but he’s damn good
Yeah for sure, although I do like the fun funky beats usually in the music I listen to. Thats how I try to explain the difference between my love for hip hop and my meh ness towards rap
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
yea, totally agree with the fun funky beats, he’s got that love for the beats. i kinda appreciate rap because it’s a way of just expressing yourself like Eminem did kinda… but not all rappers do that
Yeah I mean since I don’t relate to 95% of all rap music, I have a hard time getting into a lot of it unless theres something cool going on with it
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
Heimy, you might like some of the stuff I suggested to Pika too.
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 1, 2010 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah I guess he came to Sac last year
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Here's the promotional poster
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
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Damn Image fail
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
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Ive really gotten into Kid Cudi lately, not a huge fan of Wale though. Maybe you could suggest some of his good songs. With Kid Cudi, his most popular songs like Day and Nite and Poke Her Face are not very good, but some of his other stuff like Up, Up and Away and Cudi Zone are really good.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 1, 2010 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
Nike Shoes by Wale is pretty good, “bittersweet” but Kid Cudi is AWESOME, i like the fact he really isn’t JUST rap, he’s kinda mixed, he’s alternative rap… Like i agree with Cudi Zone, and Soundtrack 2 my life, because i kinda feel for him there. He just came out with a new song yesterday which is pretty damn good
Ill add those to my list. Unfortunately I lost my I-Pod, and I have a bunch of new good music I want to put on it. But thx.
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 1, 2010 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
yea no problem bud, i mean, if you’ve heard “bittersweet symphony” by the verve, it’s the same background, but wale just raps over it, and it’s a pretty good cover
That sounds really cool
I love Bittersweet symphony
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Im listening to it right now, pretty good. I think the symphony part is what makes the song. The rapping is just okay, but its still a good song.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 1, 2010 9:56 PM PST up reply actions
Yea, i mean, it’s pretty much just a cover, but one of wale’s best songs in my opinion would be “nike boots”
Yeah im likin this a little better. I think the background beat of a song is pne of the most important parts of the song. You dont have to have great ryhmes if you got a sick flow
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 1, 2010 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
Ive never been into them that much. They are too hardcore for me. Im more into Blue Scholars, Common Market, Shad, Blu and Exile, etc.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 1, 2010 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah kinda. They are probably more West Coast too. Common Market and Blue Scholars are from Washington and Shad is from Canada. Im not sure where Blue and Exile are from. I can suggest some sings for you if you want to check them out.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 1, 2010 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
Its a lot more chill rap. For Blue scholars I would suggest North by Northwest, Loyalty, 50K Deep and Sagaba. For Common Market I would suggest Every Last One of Us, Escaping Arkham, Refresh. For Shad- I Get Down, Rock to It, Out of Love. Blu and Exile- Below the Heavens, So Amazing.
You might not like any of this, its different then Wale or Kid Cudi or most of the other people you listen to.
Also check out Coastin by Zion I. My Favorite song right now.
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 1, 2010 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
For Blu and Exile, the song is called “Simply Amazing”, not “So Amazing”.
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 1, 2010 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
actually, this reminds me, ever heard of Blackalicous? and by the way, thanks for letting me know about Super Mash Bros, it’s pretty awesome
Yeah no problem. I think ive seen Blackalicious around, never gave him a serious listen though.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 1, 2010 10:36 PM PST up reply actions
yeah some of their songs. What song are you listening to? North by Northwest is my favorite by them.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 1, 2010 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
I absolutely loved that one, i listened to Loyalty as well and liked it… now i’m listening to Common Market “Every Last One” and this is just straight rap and i like it with a chill background
Yeah. Common Market is a lot more about the lyrics. Especially that song. Its really sending a message while keeping a good beat.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 1, 2010 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah. Like Lil Wayne. Lil Wayne is fun to listen to, I like some of his stuff, but I dont really think of it as “good” music.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 1, 2010 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
Really? Kid Cudi is pretty mainstream at this point. Everyone else is underground.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 1, 2010 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
Kid Cudi is my favorite right now… not totally hip hop, but very good, him, and drake both are up and comers
Yeah I like Kid Cudi too, and Ive found a couple Drake songs that I like.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 1, 2010 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
I like the song Fear. I found another one but I dont remeber the name
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 1, 2010 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
What other you like?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 1, 2010 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
By Drake? see i’m more into the hip hop with drake… But the timbaland Drake one is great… Money to blow, “I get paper” which is another cover type song “4 my town” is lots of rap… but you know, i am starting to like that guy Kevin Rudolf with the few songs he comes out with, like “we made it”
I like Rudolf, but I havent listened to him in a while. Welcome to the World is a good song. Ill check out I Made it
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 1, 2010 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
Oh Ive heard this song. yeah not bad.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 1, 2010 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
I consider more rock than rap. Whatever it is, its good.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 1, 2010 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
Yep! dude, it’s the willingness that you have to just expand and reach out to see what other kind of music there is that i like, some people just say “eww this is crap” and just say “forget it”
yeah I used to be like that. Junior High was a stupid time for me. I figured out that you just gotta listen to whatever you like though.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 1, 2010 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
exactly, like i’m really digging Blue Scholars right now, very chill and just kindof a new type of RAP i don’t really listen to, and i’m diggin it
Yeah, they are definetly one of my favorite bands. Ive noticed there is kind if an entire Seattle Rap genre forming, with Blue Scholars and Common Market and Macklemore etc. I like it.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 1, 2010 10:42 PM PST up reply actions
and you know, it kinda goes along with the scene in Seattle, very low key, very chill, so i think it makes sense
Yeah exactly. I think. Ive never actually been to Seattle, so ill take your word for it.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 1, 2010 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
it’s basically just San Francisco but alot more chilly
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That sounds pretty cool. I have family near there. Maybe ive been there once when I was really young. I like the rap from their more than I like most bay Area rap. i really like that area anyway. I like the idea of going to school in Oregon more and more.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 1, 2010 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
probably would end up being a good decision on your part… Bay Area rap was really just big in the 90s in my opinion… now it kinda died off a bit
Yeah. There are still some ridiculous songs coming out from around my area. This local artist called Young Curt has some of the worst songs ive ever heard. Like, Mobby Train, Its MOBB, and other terribly uncreative songs
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 1, 2010 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
yeah. I guess not all of it is bad. I still like Zion I, hes out of Oakland. But I cant think of any others. Im sure there are other good ones out there though.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 1, 2010 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
Mary, Paul and Peter?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 1, 2010 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
Sugar Hill Gang, Grandmaster Flash.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Mar 1, 2010 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
Gotta love the Sugarhill Gang!
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 1, 2010 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
SCORPIO
SHOW NO SHAME
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
carp (paraphrased): "117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"
by natteringnabob on Mar 2, 2010 6:37 AM PST up reply actions
The ones from the Bible.
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They do a great remix of “Our Father”
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 1, 2010 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
The original is cool
I also like the version with Richard Ashcroft & ColdPlay
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
I'd say this is must watch stuff...at least must watch since there isn't anything else to watch
Lincecum in a snuggy.
Bowker’s bomb.
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
Do you think Urban is aware of Tim the Enchanter?
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Mar 1, 2010 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
neither could i, just watching him try the jump rope was funny… by the way, forgive me if this was already talked about, but did anyone read the fanhouse.com article on wilson?
oh
http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/02/28/crazy-brian-wilson-at-home-in-ninth/
“Once you are in between the lines, it’s not just your career at stake, but your teammates,” Wilson said. “The fans, the general manager, the organization, all that is in consideration. You have to act accordingly. There needs to be some sort of business side.”
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
yea, i thought it was pretty good, i enjoyed it… although i am a huge fan of Wilson, even though some might not like his personality, i think it’s great
Yeah, they were all trying there to do their play by play shtick and then the script kinda went out the door
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
I enjoy just how badass he looked up there flipping the bat around and all that while waiting for the pitches. Some swagger out of the guy!
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
"Good take"
lotta Giants would have swung at that first pitch
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
OT: Top Gear
This gal who is the navigator for James May sure seems dim, but she’s got good phenotype.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
OT: Roku player
anyone have one?
We have a PS3 in the living room. My wife would like to be able to stream the Netflix in the bedroom, as we can in the living room.
Ensuring that she has entertainment options is key to an enjoyable baseball season, so I’m thinking of picking one up.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Gatornationals?
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Mar 1, 2010 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
Tragic News
Sacramento has stolen our beloved California Redwoods. SF BRASSZS
http://www.sacbee.com/2010/03/01/2574342/ufl-to-announce-move-to-sacramento.html
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
carp (paraphrased): "117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"
Well we did lose the Monarchs
so we need something to replace them
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
maybe they'll change mascots
Your Sacramento Oakworms
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
carp (paraphrased): "117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"
by natteringnabob on Mar 2, 2010 6:37 AM PST up reply actions
First impressions of MLB 2k10? OT: It’s alot better than last years, it’s gonna get some getting used to, but i like it so far, like i just struck out with Pablo and it gave me a swing analyzer on both pitches i swung and missed on… perfect, and on the top right it tells me stats on how someone did after an 0-1 count… kinda cool… NOW after the 1000000 bucks
You got it already?
$70?
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 1, 2010 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
60… but basically i only buy from the school, this is the first time i’ve bought a game outside the school… so yea… if i don’t spend all the money i have with school it goes straight to em
eh. Maybe me and my friend will split it. I dont really have 60 to throw down on a game right now cause I might need a new IPod
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 1, 2010 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
yea i hear ya man… like the only reason i have the money is because i really don’t spend a bunch at all… cuz like i said usually i just buy through the school, it takes a few days for it to come in but whatever, i can deal… usually don’t buy many games anyway
Same here, I already have 2k9, so I am trying to unlock all of the players’ cards before I get 10, which also lets me wait the price out. Being poor in college sucks lol.
yeah me neither. Ive only ever bought 3 for my X-Box
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 1, 2010 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
they’re very similar, but here’s the difference, at the start of each pitch you select which one you want to throw, and it zooms in and shows you in detail how to throw it, and exactly where you should throw it, plus it shows you on the plate just how the pitch will break
See I stopped pretending i was Tim Lincecum with last year’s pitching controls and just kept playing as Barry Zito. He was much easier to swallow.
Of course, none of it mattered anyway, as none of my outfielders — Fred Lewis, Aaron Rowand, Randy Winn — could catch anything or throw to the right base. Thank goodness it was just a video game, and not real life!
JUST A CITY BOY
Huff
AB 590
AVG .262
OBP .343
SLG .481
HR 25
This may be more wishful thinking…
OT
For Merope: tell the Mr. one his Bengals is going to be on Dancing with the Stars: Chad “8-5”
"meh"
I saw that. And Kate Gosselin, and Buzz Aldrin? I thought he was dead.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 1, 2010 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
Anyone else having trouble keeping the site to stay on “wide” format? I have to click the wide icon every new page I go to.
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Mar 1, 2010 10:44 PM PST reply actions
Same here
BTW, are you still down for a McC Quakes-Giants meetup during the spring?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
Ah lame
Unless I missed it on the schedule, the SJ Giants aren’t coming down until July.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
I am down still. The July series is a weekday series, which would be hard for me to attend. I forget where you live, but maybe we could go to @ Lake Elsinore June19th, or @Inland Empire July 31/Sep 1.
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Mar 2, 2010 5:57 AM PST up reply actions
I'm going to be away from the area starting mid-May to probably late August
I was thinking maybe April or the first weekend of May maybe?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
Maybe I am missing something, but, I don’t see the Giants scheduled to play a game anywhere in the area on a weekend in April or May.
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Mar 2, 2010 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, I was talking about any Quakes game in general
But maybe we can see if the 66ers work? Or the Angels for the real Giants? I mean, I think it would be good to have a meetup down here sometime, but if I can’t make it, I’m sure you and others could organize it.
Also, when I went to check the 66ers site for their schedule, Google popped up and said I was visiting an attack site. Google knows affiliations of evil!
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
Looks like I’m having the same issue.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 2, 2010 8:17 AM PST up reply actions
Is coaching in Barry Bonds' future?
http://www.mercurynews.com/giants/ci_14495959
Baggs says, “Maybe. I guess. I dunno”
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BARRY BONS IN BEST SHAPE OF LIFE
Not happening, and there’s basically nothing in the article that says it will.
Unless he totally gets wiped out by the divorce and his defense costs, but he’s still getting at least one check from the Giants for now without having to go to spring training.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
carp (paraphrased): "117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"
by natteringnabob on Mar 2, 2010 6:41 AM PST up reply actions
Is SB Nation refusing to stay in Wide View for anyone else?
This is getting annoying.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
scroll up 4 posts. Im not having any problems with it though.
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 1, 2010 10:59 PM PST up reply actions
And as soon as I went to a different page, it went narrow. DAMN YOU GRANT!!!!!!!!!!!!
/shakes fist
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Mar 1, 2010 11:01 PM PST up reply actions
yep
The problem popped up a few hours ago. Maybe the SBN programmers ran into a false leap year glitch like I heard happened to Sony. Ha! In my previous life as a software developer, me and the company’s chief software architect once spent a whole night double-checking that the product wouldn’t choke on February 29.
Looks like I’m having the same issue.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Mar 2, 2010 8:18 AM PST up reply actions
1.21 hellawatts?
http://www.boingboing.net/2010/03/01/petition-to-make-hel.html
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hells yeah!
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Mar 1, 2010 11:38 PM PST up reply actions
Shouldn’t it be yaddawatts?
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Mar 2, 2010 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
Who's Ready to Fist Pump with me?
I’m ready to start spring training! I need to get my baseball fix. lol I know, I know, it’s only spring training, but just to see these guys playing again gets the juices flowing. I’m ready to see who’s stepping it up and who’s going to take a seat next to Bochy. I love all the rumors that blow in the internet winds… lol
King of Cali
All The Latest SF Giants Rumors
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King of Cali
All The Latest SF Giants Rumors!
http://www.sfgiantsbaseball.net
Do you have a website I can go to?
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http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Mar 2, 2010 7:41 PM PST up reply actions
Because I want to continue my tradition of fathering sons that quickly get dumped by the organization, I am going to have to predict an unreasonably good line out of him.
AVG: .279
OBP: .366
SLG: .522
HR: 26
The very bad man who traded my first son non-tendered my replacement son. F*ck you Brian Sabean. Leave my children alone.
AB: 425
AVG: .280
OBP: .340
SLG: .425
HR: 14
Wisconsin: Famous for dairy, Ryan Rohlinger and not much else.
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