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Ok McCoven I need your help. I live in Los Angeles and I'm going to take a trip up to San Francisco to go to Opening Night on April 10th.

Me and a friend are taking a road trip and are trying to find places to stay and things to do while we're spending our time there (we'll be staying 4 days 3 nights). I want to know some details about the city to get an idea about where to go.

I'm sure there are sketchy areas as there are in every city and I'd like to know what areas I should probably stay away from considering it will only be us two girls out there alone. Where are some places I should make sure to visit? So any help and suggestions would be awesome.

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Since you’re going to the ballpark anyway, the Embarcadero is nice for a walk. Red’s Java House is a nice spot for some fish ’n chips between the park and the Bay Bridge.

The new museum smell hasn’t quite worn off of the Academy of Sciences in Golden Gate Park yet, and it’s right across from the slightly older, but still new, De Young musuem. If you follow JFK drive west from the museums you’ll eventually make it to the buffalo paddock which is kind of neat (ok, they’re just like a bunch of hairy rocks that don’t really do anything. never mind).

On the subject of museums, see also: Asian Art Museum (new Shanghai exhibit), Legion of Honor (look for the painting of Carlotta Valdez), the Exploratorium (maybe mix that in with your Golden Gate bridge excursion), and over at 3rd & mission: SFMOMA, the Cartoon Art Museum, Contemporary Jewish Museum, Yerba Buena Center for the Arts, MoAD, and, uh, some others.

If the weather is nice, you can get some fine day time, outdoor drinking in at Zeitgeist, along with a pretty good hamburger. There’s also El Rio at the south end of the Mission or Thee Parkside in Potrero for more outdoorsy drinking.

Depending on where you stay, “skethy” areas might be hard to avoid (eg, the Hilton sits right between Union Square in downtown and Glide Memorial Church in the Tenderloin). That being said, so long as you stay north of Ellis (ie, O’Farrell or Geary and above), the ‘Loin has some cool bars (Edinburgh Castle, Bourbon and Branch, Whiskey Thieves, KoKo cocktails, maybe the newly moved Lush Lounge, but I can’t vouch for that yet) and cheap, tasty food (Lers Ros Thai, Thai House Express, Grub Steak, Hank’s, Lahore Karahi). South of Ellis and between Market and Jones-ish, the Tenderloin starts looking a little more like “Hamsterdam” from the Wire.

If you feel like a movie, try to check out what’s playing at the Castro Theatre. It’s a cool, old theater that plays a lot of older films (and usually double features for cheap) and there’s even a guy playing a playing a pipe organ before the movie starts.

If you want to picnic in the park with some hipster bike dorks or gay men with cute dogs, grab some fancy beer, cheese and bread at Bi-Rite on uh…18th?…and then head over to Dolores Park. Alternately, head over to Alamo Square park and pretend you’re a part of the Tanner family. Both parks have pretty cool views of the city. If it’s a Saturday, you can get really shi-shi and buy your food at the Ferry Building farmers’ market, or just pick up on chefs and let them get shi-shi for you.

For a fun trip outside the city, head north through the woods in Marin county to Bolinas and have something to eat at the Bolinas Cafe (they’re open for lunch and dinner, but closed in between).

If you’re feeling a little outdoorsey, rent a bike from the wharf and take a ride over the Golden Gate bridge and around through to Tiburon (~20mi, I think) and finish it off with a ferry ride back to the wharf.

If you want to see bands, try the Great American Music Hall (really cool interior here…I think it actually used to be a brothel in the gold mining days), the Fox theater in Oakland, the Bottom of the Hill, the Hemlock, Thee Parkside, the Knockout, or the Elbo Room. You’ll be in town right before Coachella, so a lot of those bands are probably going to come through here.

I’m all out of steam, but there are things to do in Oakland, too, and as for the Peninsula, well, I just dont’ know it very well, but I think a few posters here can probably help you out with that.

by FPTV on Feb 10, 2010 1:58 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

damn. can you tell I’m procrastinating on some other things right now?

by FPTV on Feb 10, 2010 1:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Heh...

…hipster bike dorks.


Tour Of California. This weekend.

"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry

by victor frankenstein on Feb 10, 2010 8:39 AM PST up reply actions  

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Feb 10, 2010 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Liquigas

Is that at all related to Buttpee?

by m34josh on Feb 10, 2010 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I would think someone visiting from So CA doesn’t have Mexican food high on their list of priorities.

I usually suggest seafood and Italian places to friends visting from So CA.

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by Goofus on Feb 10, 2010 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

OTOH Mission District food can be quite different from SoCal Mexican, especially San Diego food.

JUST A CITY BOY

by shanghaijim on Feb 10, 2010 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

There are some differences

between the two but overall I think any foodie can appreciate a great El Faro gigante burrito or a Taco King whatever you like item. You really can’t go wrong at any place that’s non-corporate in this town.

Down in Front Meat!

by homerdrew415 on Feb 10, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Burritos

I spent my first 26 years in San Diego and the last 19 here. I love it here, but So CA has warmer water, more beach days and better Mexican food.

Rice in a burrito? Sheesh.

"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.

by Goofus on Feb 10, 2010 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I dunno...

Maybe I’m strange but I like my rice and lechuga…no cilantro par mi

Down in Front Meat!

by homerdrew415 on Feb 10, 2010 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

You’re doing it wrong.

WHY IS BENGIE?!

by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 10, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

My perfect burrito

It’s a gigante from El Faro at 20th and Folsom. It’s filled with rice, 2xpinto beans, lettuce, tomato, Salsa Verde, carnitas, queso, and sour cream. It needs 2 sheets of foil to properly encase it, and is almost a foot long and thick as a beer can. Match it with a Jarritos, Penafiel, or a Modelo Negro beer and I’m a happy camper.

Down in Front Meat!

by homerdrew415 on Feb 10, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

That does sound good

Although I would 86 the sour cream.

WHY IS BENGIE?!

by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 10, 2010 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

and is almost a foot long and thick as a beer can.

TWSS!

"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.

by Goofus on Feb 10, 2010 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I know him. Don’t bother.

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by shanghaijim on Feb 10, 2010 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

La Tapatia

In South San Francisco. Still the best burrito I have had.

Monday Monkey lives for the weekend, sir.

by AXmrdrir on Feb 10, 2010 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

in no particular order*

*nor in any way comprehensive.

by FPTV on Feb 10, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Bitter native here (it's in the name)

Miss the Academy of Sciences, unless you like paying $25 for a $10 museum. It’s not that it’s bad, it’s just the equivalent of going to a chi-chi restaurant and paying $30 for filet mignon the size of the palm of your hand. And the Academy of Sciences isn’t as good as filet mignon.

What exactly do you want to do? Get books? Get drugs? Get Thai ladyboys? A little elaboration heah..

Pretty much all of San Francisco is fairly safe, even the Loin. If you’re looking to score crack it might get sketchy but as long as you keep to yourself (and if you’re girls, in numbers) you should be OK. The best drinking, IMHO is outside of downtown, which is hugely overrated.

by Bitter Fan on Feb 10, 2010 7:02 AM PST reply actions  

Pretty much all of San Francisco is fairly safe,

Except for that pesky southeast corner. You may get nostalgic and want to see the Giants’ former home, Candlestick. Don’t! Generally, if you can see Candlestick Park or the Cow Palace, you should probably keep moving until you can see a Starbucks again.

Monday Monkey lives for the weekend, sir.

by AXmrdrir on Feb 10, 2010 4:22 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

geez what a bunch of whiny

and scared little dodger fans we have here…

Down in Front Meat!

by homerdrew415 on Feb 10, 2010 5:26 PM PST up reply actions  

to be fair, aside from those two venues, there isn’t a lot to see as a tourist in those parts of town.

by FPTV on Feb 10, 2010 5:34 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s probably not a good place for two young girls to be wandering around.

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by Natto on Feb 10, 2010 5:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Places to stay and avoid

Muni has pretty good maps on their website: http://www.sfmta.com/cms/mmaps/official.htm

One safe place to stay would be Parker House, a BnB in the Castro: http://www.parkerguesthouse.com/. The J runs right past it so you can take it to and from the park; all the other muni lines run through Church Station or stop above it so you can hop a train to go wherever else you like (i.e. the N train to the ocean, the L Taraval to the Zoo, the F streetcars to the Wharf (see below)). And, you’re in a fun neighborhood when you aren’t at the ballpark.

If you want a more regular hotel, there’s a Courtyard by Marriott on 2nd St. not far from the park: http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/sfocd-courtyard-san-francisco-downtown/. I’ve never stayed here either, but it seems like your typical corporate america lodging, and it’s an easy and safe walk to and from the park. It’s closer to BART so if you want to go over to Berkeley that’s an easy walk.

Food-wise it’s pretty hard to suggest something without knowing what you might want to try. If you stay in the Castro there’s a fun sushi place called Amasia Hide’s (on a quiet section of Noe St. a couple blocks north of Market). For sandwich/salad/cafe type eating there’s Crepevine and Chow, both on Church St. right by Market. There’s a cool used book store right there too called Aardvark.

If you’re more adventurous you might try one of the places around 16th and Valencia. There’s a tasty Vietnamese place called Sunflower, a pizza dive called Arinell, and a couple of decent Indian places (Pakwan on 16th past Valencia, and Al-Hamra on 16th near the BART if you’re cheap and don’t mind grumpy service). There’s also a dumpy cafe near Arinell on the east side of Valencia that can be a good rest stop, and a whole bunch of weird and fun stores as you head south on Valencia (Paxton Gate, Dog Eared Books, Borderlands bookstore, 826 Valencia). This is all about 2 blocks uphill (west) of the 16th St. Mission BART station; it doesn’t feel particularly safe at night and I wouldn’t recommend it to you then. It is close to Castro so if you stay there it’s an easy and safe walk down the hill. The Chron has a dated guide on its website: http://www.sfgate.com/neighborhoods/sf/mission_dolores/

If you stay nearer the park, you can get good (albeit pricey) dim sum at Yank Sing in one of several locations. The gate to Chinatown is at Grant and Bush; Chinatown and North Beach are an easy bus ride or long hike from the Courtyard. If you’ve been to any other Chinatown you aren’t going to miss much by skipping it. There are pretty old churches to see up that way, Old St. Mary’s on California, SS. Peter and Paul on Washington Square, and a shrine of St. Francis. Also I should say that the Farmers’ Market in the Ferry Building (end of Market St.) is really popular and a good place to pick up snacks on Saturday morning, if you don’t mind crowds of feral yuppies.

Places not to go: “Mid-Market”, basically Market St. from 4th St./Powell St. down to, say, Octavia St. The Tenderloin is west of Market St., more or less in the same area. It’s gritty and dangerous and you probably don’t have any reason to go there (there are some good eats but for the time you are here no need to venture therein). Mission St. around the BART Stations (16th, 24th Sts) is spooky at night but you might want to risk it for some restaurant or bar you are interested in. Around the ballpark, unless you wander past maybe 5th or 6th St. (past the CalTrain station) after a night game you will be fine.

If you are interested and can score a ticket the tour of Alcatraz is really interesting and a fun boat ride. Other than that you should stay away from Fisherman’s Wharf. It’s stupid, unless you’re into wax museums, turning pennies into commemorative medallions of your trip, etc.

Weather note: April weather is really random. It’s often rainy, like opening day last season. Night games in April can be really miserable (I remember a 5 hour game with rain delays a few years ago), and unless we have some kind of freak warm spell (or you’re sitting in a club level) plan for very warm clothes and rain gear. There’s a Cole Hardware store not far from the park (4th St. between Mission and Market) where you can buy cheap ponchos if you need them, or Scotchgard and such.

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Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".

Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.

by natteringnabob on Feb 10, 2010 7:46 AM PST reply actions  

generally agreed on the wharf...

but if you DO end up over there, the Musée Mecanique is pretty neat.

by FPTV on Feb 10, 2010 8:37 AM PST up reply actions  

As is the WWII submarine Pampino or whateverit’s called

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by Goofus on Feb 10, 2010 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Pampanito.

I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.

by esseffgeez on Feb 10, 2010 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

SS Jeremiah O’Brien is fun to climb all over. I liked sitting at the AA gun.

JUST A CITY BOY

by shanghaijim on Feb 10, 2010 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I read SS as shortstop

And was wondering who the hell this shortstop was that you were climbing all over.

WHY IS BENGIE?!

by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 10, 2010 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I liked sitting on the AA gun.

JUST A CITY BOY

by shanghaijim on Feb 10, 2010 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

So did Jeremiah, I would guess.

by TheLetter2 on Feb 11, 2010 6:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I can’t believe SS Jeremiah O’Brien went undrafted! Gitr Done Sabes!

"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.

by Goofus on Feb 10, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

And apparently he’s got a great arm! Get it? Gun? No?

/sits in the corner

by quincy0191 on Feb 10, 2010 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

The sub and the liberty ship are both underated

If you have any interest in naval history or WW2 History

Down in Front Meat!

by homerdrew415 on Feb 10, 2010 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

probably sexist to say this, but...
it will only be us two girls out there

by FPTV on Feb 10, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

As a man, I’d like to say that I have no interest in naval history.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Feb 10, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m interested in the history of navels though!

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by Natto on Feb 10, 2010 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

You’ve never seen the girls on my f-list on LiveJournal.

JUST A CITY BOY

by shanghaijim on Feb 10, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Girls schmirls…it’s still neat to crawl around the inside of a submarine and go “How many men lived in here at once? And for how long?”

by Merope on Feb 10, 2010 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I believe you mean “how many seamen…?”

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Feb 10, 2010 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I have it on good authority the women and seamen don’t mix.

by Merope on Feb 10, 2010 4:46 PM PST up reply actions  

this is exactly where i wanted to take the conversation.

by FPTV on Feb 10, 2010 5:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Important info missing

How old are you and your friend?

Not sure what to do about my screen name at this point...

by AngelWillSaveUs on Feb 10, 2010 8:44 AM PST reply actions  

also

pic plz! lol.

by WTF on Feb 10, 2010 9:02 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Stop fishing for dates.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Feb 10, 2010 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Feb 10, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

we're both 20

01.19.2010
r.i.p. buster posey I really thought you had a shot

by sanfrankid on Feb 10, 2010 5:15 PM PST up reply actions  

heh. woops!

sometimes i forget what a drinking town this place can be…that pretty much eliminates all my nightlife recs :-)

by FPTV on Feb 10, 2010 5:39 PM PST up reply actions  

shitty nights!
http://www.yelp.com/biz/city-nights-san-francisco
hahaha a right of passage, IF YOU DARE

go rowand

by lincypoo i wuv u on Feb 11, 2010 12:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Hella wack!

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by Natto on Feb 11, 2010 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Stay away from Sunset

That’s my turf! I peed on every street!

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by Natto on Feb 10, 2010 10:50 AM PST reply actions  

The garden and the driveway are MINE!

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Feb 10, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Hella respect

That be a lot of marked territory.

I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.

by esseffgeez on Feb 10, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, I’m glad you got the color of Natto’s pee right.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Feb 10, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

I drink a lot of water.

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by Natto on Feb 10, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Also

Kindly stick to your side of the park.

vr, a Resident of the Richmond

I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.

by esseffgeez on Feb 10, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Now now, that’s why the city established the Neutral Zone and put a park in it. Richmond and Sunset violence is such a tragedy.

JUST A CITY BOY

by shanghaijim on Feb 10, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Every bit as frightening as a confrontation between the Upper East Side and the Upper West Side. :)

I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.

by esseffgeez on Feb 10, 2010 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Goy, goy, crazy goy
Lay off the Jews, goy!

JUST A CITY BOY

by shanghaijim on Feb 10, 2010 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

For places to eat

I’m working on building a list of places I normally go to. Check es aus: http://www.yelp.com/list/eat-food-here-san-francisco

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by Natto on Feb 10, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh yeah, I never confirmed your yelp friend request. I may remember to do that yet.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Feb 10, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

I DON’T NEED YOUR FRIENDSHIP ANYWAY

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by Natto on Feb 10, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

For antisocial walkers

Other people can fill you in on places to drink and things to do. Me, all the years I lived in SF and every time I visit, I look for things to see that you can enjoy in quiet, alone or with a friend.

Depending on the weather, or your tolerance for precipitation, take the 38 Geary from downtown to the end of the line. This is the west coast of the city: Land’s End and Ocean Beach. Land’s End has a moderately serious hiking trail that winds around at times steep cliffs with a constant and glorious view of the bridge (again, pending fog; I hope people aren’t allowed on the trail during real fog-outs!)

Down the same slope but in the opposite direction as the trail, the ruins of the once-great Sutro Baths are eerie and beautiful, pools of rainwater or stormspray collected in the leftover basins amid sea-blasted walls.

The Cliff House is blah, although I hear the restaurant is trying to be a destination. But just around the corner from the entrance is the giant camera obscura. It looks like a giant camera, and you might think it’s horribly kitschy, but go inside.

Ocean Beach is always beautiful to me, rain or shine. Just so you know, it can get a bit treacherous, both in terms of weather, in waves, and in what might be in the sand!

A similarly themed, and somewhat cleaner (I’ve no strong aversion to yuppies), is the Crissy Field walk. A well-kept walking/hiking path along the city’s north coast beyond the Marina and the Wharf with restored wetlands filled with waterfowl including the occasional great blue heron, graceful trees, and sweeping views of the bridge and Alcatraz and Sausalito and Tiburon. On sunny days, assuming you’re straight girls, this is a lovely place to ogle guy joggers.

If you keep walking through Crissy Field you end up at Fort Point directly under the bridge, an amazing vantage point, and also on many days a good place to watch surfers tackle the break right behind the point. Don’t bother them though, they can be aggressive. Kind of like other forms of marine life.

There’s a stairway up the promontory from Fort Point to the bridge entrance and the more well-known photo vantage points. I once took my cousin-in-law and her friend from Long Beach on a walk across the bridge. They got to the halfway point before they started giggling in the freakout way. It was a drizzly winter day. I loved it.

Places to avoid? South Tenderloin and Market south of say … well, my cut-off is 6th street, except for the occasional visit to a theater. I also don’t see why a visitor should go to Western Addition. Or Bayview/Hunter’s Point. Or the Richmond and Sunset, although for slightly different reasons. (I love it there, but then I love empty streets with blowing sand. Exceptions: Clement Street in the Richmond, and Irving Street in the Sunset, are fun and colorful and busy. Clement Street is Chinatown without tourists and includes the Green Apple Bookstore.)

Apparently there’s a zoo in San Francisco, but eh.

And of course I suggest you roam Golden Gate Park. Paddleboats, bison paddock (are the bison still there?), lots of hidden gems. Just watch out for the lots of hidden people and hidden encampments, unless you’re cool with that. Stick to the main paths and you’ll be fine I expect.

JUST A CITY BOY

by shanghaijim on Feb 10, 2010 11:06 AM PST reply actions  

The only part I disagree with is Ocean Beach

Except for the very south end where it meets up with Fort Funston, I think it’s about the most unattractive beach in Northen California.

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by Goofus on Feb 10, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, I know it’s not attractive as a beach. I’m from tropical islands. I just love it there. Cold and gray and lonesome.

JUST A CITY BOY

by shanghaijim on Feb 10, 2010 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

maybe

but it’s also the only one accessible by light rail.

Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."

Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".

Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.

by natteringnabob on Feb 11, 2010 7:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Yo

Another native here… I’m not sure what the person above was talking about the Academy of Sciences… but it is an awesome place to hang out. If you go during the week, you’ll miss the stroller derby, and it’s amazing- get there early for planetarium tickets though. If you’re 20 somethings, there are a ton of lounges/clubs to hit up… Have fun, but don’t be stupid, there are crazy people up here.

by mattmonay on Feb 10, 2010 11:14 AM PST reply actions  

It's not terrible

..I just don’t think it’s $24.95 worth of value. Cos that’s what you pay as an adult.

I’ll throw in the caveat here that I live in London now, where every museum worth a crap is free.

by Bitter Fan on Feb 10, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

true

it is pricey…by a LOT. but because most museums don’t keep an aquarium full of live fish and a fake rain forest, either.

by FPTV on Feb 10, 2010 10:23 PM PST up reply actions  

*

and i was going to add that compared to the monterey bay aquarium or your typical zoo, $25 is not that far out of line.

by FPTV on Feb 10, 2010 10:23 PM PST up reply actions  

April 7th is free!

go rowand

by lincypoo i wuv u on Feb 11, 2010 12:08 AM PST up reply actions  

SF Zoo is $15

which is more in line with the value.

Steinhart is awesome, but at the academy you’re paying quite a lot so they can pay down the debt for the building. I’m not that charitable, sadly. Build a less ostentatious building next time.

by Bitter Fan on Feb 11, 2010 3:00 AM PST up reply actions  

grass roof!

Should’ve been medicinal opium poppies… faster to pay down the debt.

Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."

Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".

Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.

by natteringnabob on Feb 11, 2010 7:07 AM PST up reply actions  

SF Native Cab driver offers suggestions
  1. if you want a cheap, cute, well situated, and nice place to stay, you should check out the hayes valley inn (417 Gough street, and remember Gough rhymes with cough. You don’t want to ask where “Go” street is or how do I get to “Go” street. You’ll come off as an ignorant out of towner), which ranges from $75 – 119 a night and includes breakfast. If you want to go out for breakfast, Stacks is 2 blocks away (hayes & octavia) and they serve a great range of breakfasty – brunchish food, plus they leave the pitcher of coffee & water at your table so you can get refills at your leisure.

When in town avoid any chain restaurants. SF has 3 culinary schools in town so in addition to a metric ass-ton of foodies, there are a proportional number of well trained chefs to serve you tasty noms to your heart’s content. For the drunkard, there’s always a cheap drink night or a bar with normally cheap drinks somewhere around town.

If you’re searching for a doctor in town to write you an Rx for medical pot (to be purchased from any of 20 or so dispensaries), check out green relief on Sutter street (between Van Ness & Polk), but schedule an appointment in advance, as they are busy. Remember to bring cash as they don’t take checks or cards. Most dispensary locations are either located near safe and well lit ATM’s or take Visa/Mastercard.

Of the touristy type places to visit, Alcatraz is one of the few that’s worth the time, money & effort. You can purchase your tickets online or at Pier 35 on the embarcadero, where you catch the Ferry. If you’re a museum type, I recommend the Legion of Honor which is a western european and near eastern specializing museum, or you can be amazed (I went in with low expecations) at the Disney Museum. I’m not a huge fan of the mouse, but was blown away by the Disney Foundation (NOT THE DISNEY CORP.) and the museum they put together to highlight the life of one of the most influential Americans in history. It’s located in the Presidio on the main paradegrounds. Keep in mind they limit the number of daily visitors, so it’s important to buy your tix in advance. Additionally if you’re into American history, US Military history, Spanish influence on the Americas, etc. you will really enjoy the presidio as a whole. Up until 1989 it was the largest US Base on the west coast, and has been in use since the arrival of the Spanish in the 18th century.

Don’t bother renting a car as SF is a maze of 1 way streets that seem designed to confuse the visitors. Even using a GPS, it can be quite frustrating. Regardless of local critiques, the public transit system can get you anywhere in town in under an hour and a half, all at a fairly reasonable price. Google maps, as well as 511.org offer public transit mapping to make it easier on you, but every bus shelter has a map of the city and public transit service within it.

Taxis are fairly easy to get during the day on busy corners, or by calling Luxor Cab (shameless plug) at 415-282-4141, or by using the Iphone app Taxi Magic (Free). No trip in town should cost more than $25 (even from the Embarcadero on the bay to the cliff house on the Pacific Ocean), though travel to the airport (SFO) can range from $20-$50 depending where in the city you are.

Avoid spending money at the tourist traps (Pier 39 & Fisherman’s Warf) if possible, as they don’t offer anything you can’t find elsewhere in SF. If you’re into beatnik culture check out City Lights Bookstore of Vesuvio’s next to it. Coit tower is a nice view, but the interior isn’t worth the wait. Haight street is a series of kitchy hipster-esque clothing shops, mixed with decent places to eat, tattoo & piercing shops, bong/pipe stores, all while enjoying stepping over & around drug addicted (weed is not a drug) street rat homeless people. Don’t rent the little yellow guided scooter pods, as they are extremely dangerous and small and have no business driving on city streets.

I’m sure I’ve forgotten to mention a bunch of things here, and there’s probably a ton of stuff you would want to know more about, so feel free to email me (drew.bader@gmail.com) or call my google voice # (415-3000-USA). I hope you enjoy your stay in SF, as we need more visitors like yourself.

Down in Front Meat!

by homerdrew415 on Feb 10, 2010 12:02 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

I need to hire you next time I have late-night events in town.

JUST A CITY BOY

by shanghaijim on Feb 10, 2010 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

When I don’t have a car and I don’t feel like taking MUNI after midnight, like from the Fillmore or Great American Music Hall.

JUST A CITY BOY

by shanghaijim on Feb 10, 2010 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I drive day shift

So that means I usually start around 5, though on most of the drinking holidays it’s 4 or so.

Down in Front Meat!

by homerdrew415 on Feb 10, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

That is always needed, because when my mom flies in or out, she refuses to take BART.

JUST A CITY BOY

by shanghaijim on Feb 10, 2010 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I imagine you and I have had some interactions… I manage at Sheraton FW… and I’m in the driveway most weekend mornings…

Excellent advice… especially with the Rx…

by zuma420 on Feb 10, 2010 7:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I try to avoid the hotels in SF

It feels like the doormen like to steer people into the towncars for the $5 the drivers slip them. Don’t they know I pay too?

Down in Front Meat!

by homerdrew415 on Feb 11, 2010 8:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Sadly, when I was a doorman/bellman I knew most cabbies would juice me, but now unfortunately most cabbies don’t know the system and don’t take care of their hotel people…

But yeah – we’re one of the worst offenders at “towncar service” since we actually have a contract with a company to keep their cars in our driveway…

by zuma420 on Feb 11, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I’m going to need your services to take my girl out the day after finals.

FU, FO

by oldjacket on Feb 11, 2010 8:18 AM PST up reply actions  

all due respect here, and this is certainly no offense to you (or Luxor- which happens to be my favorite taxi co), but the cab situation in this town blows! It is practically impossible to get a taxi on the weekends after 5PM. Add in some rain or an event, and you might as well start walking. The airport situation is even worse. San Fransicso is one of the only major metropolitan cities where there is not a flat-rate fee from the airport to downtown. We live in the inner-Richmond and it is routinely over $45 to or fro-SFO. And that assumes you can actually get a taxi or the one you called shows up. Most of my friends have taken to calling one of the many limo services that have popped up in the past 5-7 years. They charge $40 and are incredibly reliable.

by capn on Feb 11, 2010 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I use Black Tie on a pretty regular basis.

WHY IS BENGIE?!

by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 11, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

WTF?

You are giving drug purchasing advice? Class.

by positiveuphemism on Feb 11, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m with you on the public transit thing. When I was there last week, Muni and BART were the only ways I got around town, and I didn’t have too many problems. Well, after I figured out the labyrinthine transit system mess. Unified system, anyone?

by TheLetter2 on Feb 11, 2010 6:11 PM PST up reply actions  

since you’re from LA, you should check out the theater district and little hollywood. it’ll be like you never left home!

actually, don’t go to these places.

by druncan on Feb 10, 2010 12:21 PM PST reply actions  

What's wrong with Little Hollywood?

It’s a scant 4 blocks away from Piccolo Pete’s. Oh my bad you must mean you’re scared of Asians, Pacific Islanders, and Black people…way to stay classy.

Down in Front Meat!

by homerdrew415 on Feb 10, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

For the record

There’s no place in SF I would avoid in the daytime (exception being Alice Griffith Housing Project aka DoubleRock as there’s only 1 entrance in and out of there and even the cops don’t like going).

Down in Front Meat!

by homerdrew415 on Feb 10, 2010 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I prolly don’t go to Third Street in Hunter’s Point unless I need to for whatever reason. And I grew up near there.

go rowand

by lincypoo i wuv u on Feb 10, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

what’s little hollywood?

by FPTV on Feb 10, 2010 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll just throw a few things out there.

For pizza, I like me some Pizza Deflina. Good Italian style that is particularly hard to find down south. for Italian food in general, Tomasso’s is a good bet, but go with the knowledge that they don’t take reservations, are rather small, and will certainly be busy. Still, plenty of porn to check out while you wait…

I’m not big on the club scene, but I dig a few bars. Toronado’s in Lower Haight has a countless number of local and import beers. The best thing about that place is the sausage shop next door; their entire menu is to die for, and they will let you eat at the bar. The chili + veal dog is a fine experience, for those who don’t care if animals had to die alone and suffering in order to be made into a meal. Not far off is Hobson’s Choice, sporting the largest rum selection in town. From 5-7 is happy hour and they’ll have a couple of bowls of rum punch ready for the drinking, and cheap drinking at that. I’ve never had the food, but it looked pretty standard.

For the ramen lovers of the world (that should include everyone), there’s a lovely if tiny little place a block or two from Union Square, as though one were heading toward Lefty O’Doul’s, but on the other side of the street. For the record, don’t go to Lefty O’Doul’s. Katana-Ya is the name of the ramen place, and they’ve got a fair nigiri selection if you show up at the right time.

Hidden breakfast gem: Irving Street Cafe, Sunset. They give you an immense pile of eggs, pancakes, omelette, bacon, and every other stand breakfast standard. You won’t pay much more than five bucks for this feast. Again, no reservations, no credit or debit, but it’s way worth it. The lady who works the counter would be the perfect mom.

Now, what surprises me is that we’ve gone on this long with no mention of the Top of the Mark. For the ignorant, that’s the highest point of the Mark Hopkins’ hotel, which is a tad famous, it’s incredible lounge located at its highest floor playing a major role in this. You’d be hard pressed to find a better view of The City. This is one of the few places where I have seen the legendary ‘green flash’, that remarkable light phenomena that occurs at the moment of sun’s set, and only when the conditions are perfect…. Underscored by a clear view of the Golden Gate, I must say, it’s a hell of a thing. If the weather’s right, there are few places better in the city.

Or more expensive. It’s a martini bar, and not a cheap one. But if you show up earlish and dress well (which you should; go big, I always say) you can get in without a cover. Set up shop on the west side of the lounge and watch the show. Piano music will be provided by the incomparable Ricardo Scales, if you show up on the right day.

I’m quite fond of a few places in North Beach. Spec’s is a difficult to find bar that is stuffed to the fill with eccentric locales. You’ll just have go there to see what I mean, but I’ll give you an example: there’s an older Asian fellow who sits in the corner doing oil paintings, and it is quite possible that he’s a thousand years old and has mastered some sort of martial art. There’s no way to know, but he looks the part. Spec’s is also famous for its cheese and piano music. If you’re lucky, a weird guy will show up and start selling tamales. They aren’t cheap, but they are delicious; I suggest taking the avocado hot sauce. Just up the street from Spec’s is Vesuvio’s, home to some of the best absinthe in SF.

And now I’m exhausted. No way I’m proofreading that…

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Feb 10, 2010 2:40 PM PST reply actions  

Oh, and Little Shamrock. Oldest Irish Pub in SF, and pretty cute. Right next to Golden Gate park and roughly a five minute walk from the DeYoung and Academy of the Science AND the botanical gardens. Good to cruise in after a day in the sunshine and power up for the evening with a dynamite Irish coffee. I’m quite fond of Park Gyro, just a few meters away from the Shamrock, and the deserts at Park Chow (Sunset, 9th between Irving and Lincoln) are very solid indeed.

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Feb 10, 2010 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I wanted to mention the Top of the Mark, but honestly I’ve never been inside. I don’t usually stay at Nob Hill hotels … can’t get back up except by cable car! LOL out of shape

JUST A CITY BOY

by shanghaijim on Feb 10, 2010 2:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ve had entirely too many good evenings there. But yeah, you’ve got to man up and climb that damn hill. The nice thing is that afterward you can charge down into… well, pretty much anywhere, and continue the good times at cheaper venues.

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Feb 10, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Top of the Mark

is cool. It’s a great hotel too, or was when I stayed there years ago.

There’s a cool restaurant in the Marines Memorial Building too, sort of a chophouse kind of thing. There’s a dress code, albeit a lenient one. Great view.

Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."

Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".

Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.

by natteringnabob on Feb 10, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, the ball park.

There’s a super sweet tequila just up the way from the Willie Mays statue. It’s got more tequila than the mind can comprehend and decent food to go along with it. The place is an older warehouse, so there’s plenty of floor space.

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Feb 10, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Got another sleeper.

Take the J line up to the highest point of Dolores Park, hop out, and enjoy the night time view. Best do this a while after sunset. There will be loads of hipster Mission types all hanging out, drinking wine, listening to music and so on. The view is spectacular; you’ll gain a new appreciation for the Bay Bridge.

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Feb 10, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Good choice. Tt was my desktop backdrop (there has to be a better way of saying that) for awhile! You can ball it up there too!

go rowand

by lincypoo i wuv u on Feb 11, 2010 12:11 AM PST up reply actions  

And to add some history…

From this spot, if you turn around and look the other direction, you will see a fire hydrant that is painted gold. This marks the spot where the ’06 fire was stopped.

by positiveuphemism on Feb 11, 2010 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

For clarity…where it was contained…the point at which it moved no further.

by positiveuphemism on Feb 11, 2010 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

?

Lefty O’Doul’s is great, especially if you like baseball.

by Bitter Fan on Feb 11, 2010 3:01 AM PST up reply actions  

btw,

we should probably just post all this shit to wikitravel, huh?

by FPTV on Feb 10, 2010 2:55 PM PST reply actions  

I think Grant wants to control his own omnipedic internet empire, actually.

JUST A CITY BOY

by shanghaijim on Feb 10, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

These are great threads every year

when we have them, and I always learn something. Is there a better way to do it than some kind of Yelp list?

Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."

Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".

Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.

by natteringnabob on Feb 10, 2010 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Seriously! I’m learning a ton here.

by TheLetter2 on Feb 11, 2010 6:13 PM PST up reply actions  

O'Farrel Brothers Theater!

You should DEFINITELY go there. If you’re a chick they’ll crawl all over you and not expect tips!

by Sigualicious on Feb 10, 2010 5:17 PM PST reply actions  

Damn… I thought I’d be able to help you – but these guys have it covered. Excellent ideas =- and you all saved me the trouble of writing a book for this lil gal.

by zuma420 on Feb 10, 2010 7:22 PM PST reply actions  

If the weather is decent...

you may want to try packing a lunch and walking across the Golden Gate Bridge. Eat your lunch along the waterfront in Sausalito. There is definitely nothing like the view you’ll get from the bridge in LA (or anywhere else in the world, for that matter), and it you can appreciate it much better on foot than from a car or on a bike.

by baseballjunkie on Feb 10, 2010 8:16 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

also the old forts on either side of the bridge are both pretty neat.

by FPTV on Feb 11, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Not to hijack, but..

Since I know all the resident city folk are reading this…Have any of the board beer aficionado’s been to the Monk’s Kettle? I have some friends coming into the city (I am in the south bay) for a bachelor party. On Yelp, Monk’s Kettle looks like a cool place for dinner one night, but the site mentions how small it is. Will it be impossibe to get a group of 6 or so in there on a Saturday night? Thanks to any/all that may know

by m34josh on Feb 10, 2010 8:18 PM PST reply actions  

You’ll probably have to wait for a table… it’s a pretty cool spot, and it does get very crowded. For a bachelor party – that’s sort of what you’re looking for anyway, right?

by zuma420 on Feb 11, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Ya, just worried about waiting around for hours before we eat. I am sure there will be many other spots on the agenda so don’t want to spend all night there waiting. Thanks!

by m34josh on Feb 11, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Or you can just party down with me after the game

Cause that’s my Birthday!
I will be at work in Martinez then will go straight to the game followed by a night of gettin sh!ty in the city!!!!!!

by skunk5150 on Feb 10, 2010 10:35 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

I'm probably late on this...

…but I consider myself a huge SF fan, and all my friends call me a tour guide. Hell, I don’t drink, and they keep asking me where to drink in town.

All the above suggestions are great. I do have to say, I second (third? fourth?) the idea of going to Alcatraz. It’s worth it for the cruise alone, but it’s a good history trip, too. And, if that’s not enough, watch ‘The Rock’ before you go.

However, a few off the radar choices for you girls:

If you’re into interesting walks and climbing, check out Land’s End. Start at Sutro Heights (the top of the cliff ABOVE the cliff house). The ruins look like a castle in SF, complete with crumbling statues, overlooking the ocean. Then go down the cliffs, to the ruins of Sutro Baths. Haunting, and beautiful. Check out the cave next to it for fun. Then follow the paths along Land’s end, a good 2-3 mile hike. Great views of the Golden Gate, paths to hidden beaches, occasional tips of shipwrecks at low tides…but the best is a labyrinth (of the catholic variety) handmade by someone sitting on one of the cliffs over the ocean. Incredible Golden Gate views, wonderful spot to sit, or to walk and meditate.
http://www.jmg-galleries.com/best_of/2005/500/lands_end_labyrinth_at_dusk_832c.jpg
(I don’t know if it’s still there after the recent storms, but it’s been there for years; this storm shouldn’t have been enough)

If you are on a museum kick, check out the Palace of the Legion of Honor. They have a temporary exhibit on Cartier, with some of his rarest and most spectacular diamond pieces. It ends on April 18th, but is closed Mondays. (Parking is a bitch, so this is one to take a cab/bus to, even if you have your own car.) http://www.famsf.org/legion/exhibitions/exhibition.asp?exhibitionkey=1051

Check out the definition of the word ‘Defenestration.’ Then go check out the building on the corner of 6th and Howard. No pictures…don’t spoil it. This is a ten minute thing, and 6th and Howard is not a good part of town, but it’s worth a wander in the middle of the day. Trust me. Catch it before it’s torn down soon.

If you’re of age, there’s pretty much two real drinking areas in the City. North Beach is the cooler of the two. Good mix of people, college age and above. Quite a few live band venues, too. The other is Union Street, around Fillmore. The lounges/bars are Marina style (read: for the upper class who pretend they aren’t, and middle class who pretend they can be snobs too), but it is definitely some beautiful people if you like people-watching. Union Street can also be an underrated fashion spot, although the economy has hit it hard. Think of it as Melrose in LA, but without being so overexposed or overpriced.

If you like beautiful buildings, check out SF City Hall. If you’re either a fan of classic actresses, or classic baseball players, think about this when you check it out: that’s where Joe DiMaggio and Marilyn Monroe got married.

If you’re enough of a baseball fan to do this trip, I think you should do Lefty O’Doul’s. It’s overpriced and food isn’t what it used to be, but it’s worth seeing to see. It’s like the Hard Rock Cafe of baseball, with the stuff on the walls. Catch lunch there for whatever day you’re around Union Square. And you’ll be around it at least once.

If you walk around the Transamerica Pyramid, check out the Redwood Grove at its base. Find the plaque honoring the city’s famous dogs, Bummer and Lazarus. So famous that when the City enacted its first leash law, they were exempted by name. And Bummer’s obituary was written by none other than Samuel Clemens, later to be known as Mark Twain. But don’t believe that the dogs belonged to our famous Emperor Norton. The truth is that he despised being associated with two common street mutts.

Also near the Pyramid, check out the Cafe Zoetrope in the Sentinel building on the corner of Kearny and Columbus. The Cafe is owned and run by none other than Francis Ford Coppola, he that directed the Godfather movies. I don’t drink, but I hear his wine is very good. It’s also some nice views of an old, old building juxtaposed with the Pyramid.

Consider me another vote for hitting the farmer’s market at the Ferry Building on Saturday. What no one else has told you: take the food you get and walk a few blocks north to Pier 7. It’s a beautiful walk with great views of the Ferry Building, the Bay Bridge, and the best framing of the Pyramid you will see anywhere. Just don’t go all the way: on Saturdays, there are fisherman at the end, and unless you’re comfortable with them cleaning their catches in front of you, go 3/4’s of the way.

Finally, one more walk. Coit Tower is kitschy (though it’s SF kitschy, so I like it), but what it worth it is walking up Telegraph Hill. From the east side of the hill, get onto Greenwich Street. The street dead-ends into the base of the hill, but there are stairs. Up those stairs? Hidden, beautiful neighborhoods, actual streets (complete with street signs) that are nothing more than wooden walkways along the cliff, inaccessible by any vehicle, incredible bay views, and your best chance to meet the wild parrots of Telegraph Hill up close.

Oh, and walk the Golden Gate Bridge. It’s cliche, but for damn good reasons. Enjoy the fog whispering over it’s deck, and around its towers. And if you can, Crissy Field is beautiful, too.

Okay, at this point I’m just showing off. If you can’t tell, I’m a bit of a nature/walk geek, but the best parts of the City aren’t the ones with custom audio tours. If you need anymore details on these, let me know. Like I said: tour guide.

Enjoy the City.

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by BruteSentiment on Feb 11, 2010 12:03 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Speaking of hidden gems

Just one block up from the Union Square district and nudged aside by Chinatown is the little France block with the most charming church I’ve ever been to: Notre Dame des Victoires. It’s actually run by the French Catholic church and conducts one Mass each Sunday in French. It’s a tiny church beautifully decorated in I think French Neoclassical, maybe a bit baroque.

http://www.ndvsf.org/church/

JUST A CITY BOY

by shanghaijim on Feb 11, 2010 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

If it ain’t baroque, don’t fix it!

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by Natto on Feb 11, 2010 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Somewhere, Scarlatti is turning in his grave.

by TheLetter2 on Feb 11, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Speaking of used-ta-be-good restaurants

…Cafe de la Presse. I had one of the best meals I’ve ever eaten there (a braised rabbit) about 10 years ago. It kinda sucks now.

Go to Belden Place. If you take your date here and fail to wow her, you really suck. Cafe Bastille was my favorite, though the last meal I had there wasn’t great.

by Bitter Fan on Feb 11, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

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