OT: Pac10 expanding?
Who do You think they pick up? Boise State and Fresno State would be interesting additions. That would seriously hurt the WAC. Gonzaga would also be a good add if not for the fact that they do not have a football team.
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before last year I would have said San Jose St. had a chance since their football team looked to be on the rise but last year they were pretty bad
I’d say Boise St. or Fresno St. but not both since the WAC would become very weak if both were removed
by 49erEmpire on Feb 9, 2010 8:42 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I’d say Fresno St would definitely be one. Wonder how Boise St is academically and in sports besides football and baseball?
in all honesty, does it matter? Football and men’s basketball drive the truck in the NCAA. It really wouldn’t surprise me if the PAC 10 added both schools. After all, why do they care about the WAC?
in all honesty, does it matter?
It does to the Pac-10.
by Missing Barry on Feb 10, 2010 6:18 AM PST up reply actions
I’m not sure that it does. It’s all about $. Even if all the major conferences like to tout their academic standards, in the end it’s about how much money teams bring in. If Boise State can provide descent revenue, they’ll be in.
But academics fit in with athletics in as far as people, especially athletes getting scholarships, want degrees from universities with real academic interests, not just trade schools. Boise St, for instance, (if I remember right) started out as a JC, then became a “college”, and has only been a university for a short while now and is still making that academic transition. There’s a distinct difference there, and it does have a place in the overall ability of the school to compete at the Pac-10 level across the entire athletic spectrum…
by Missing Barry on Feb 10, 2010 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
It certainly is NOT all about money, especially in the Pac 10 system that requires unanimous approval to add a member. Stanford is not going to approve second-tier schools like Fresno and Boise joining their conference.
Of course, even if it were about money, Fresno brings essentially nothing, as the Pac 10 already owns the California market, and Boise brings very, very little. Idaho is not a big media market.
You’re right about Stanford. They don’t need any more money, what with their billions in endowment. They probably would vote against this (and I didn’t realize until I read this post it had to be all 10 schools). I actually don’t see the Pac 10 expanding at all with that rule in place.
I do think Boise would bring something to the party for the Pac 10, however. They do have a national spotlight now, and TV money could actually flow the Pac 10’s way.
Barry, I don’t agree with you as far as elite athletes go. I’m pretty sure the top level recruits in the big two college sports don’t care anyting about what academics interested schools offer.
Again, it’s not just about elite athletes. It’s about everything. It’s about having an educated fanbase that can contribute to the athletic department and spend money on the athletics. It’s about having facilities that measure up to Pac-10 standards. It’s about sports besides basketball and football. Even if some of the elite basketball/football prospects don’t care one way or another about education, many prospects do – it’s about being able to attract depth, it’s about being able to offer the ones that do care about academics what they’re looking for. Expansion for the Pac-10 is a much, much more complicated issue then simply finding two schools to add so the football conference can have 12 teams. Academics is one of many factors involved, and it does play into the bigger picture of “does this school fit into the Pac-10”, but in terms of strictly academic reasons and in terms of how academics support the athletic programs.
by Missing Barry on Feb 10, 2010 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
you are correct in many ways, and I think we’re just coming at this from different points of view. I was thinking of all the garbage now associated with letter of intent day, and now USC getting a verbal commitment from a 13 year old. Perhaps my view of the Pac 10 is a little uninformed, but after watching the expansions of the Big 8 and Big 10 a few years ago, it was plain the money was the driving factor. (Which gets back to my rants against the BCS, but that’s another issue I don’t want to get into).
The expansion of the Big 10 was not (at least totally) driven by money. They were also adding a big research institution with a good academic reputation to their conference. And the Big 10 schools really do cooperate with one another on research; they have a formal Committee on Institutional Cooperation that coordinates research collaboration (among the Big 10 schools plus the University of Chicago, who used to be in the Big 10). That means very little to us as college football fans, but you better believe it meant a great deal to the Penn State faculty when they were considering whether or not to join the conference.
that’s great, but a lot of Universities collaborate in different areas of research. I’m not trying to minimize any of this, though I fear I’m coming across that way.
You really should read this blog post about Big 10 expansion.
The Pac-10 isn’t just a football conference. If it wanted to expand, the two additional schools would have to be able to compete not just in football, but in all college sports on the level of the rest of the Pac-10. They’d also look to bring in two schools with a good rivalry in. Plus, academically, Fresno St and Boise St don’t exactly fit what the Pac-10 is looking for. Utah and Colorado/BYU would be much more realistic for the whole package.
I agree Utah or BYU would be better but those schools are in the Mountain West Conference I was only thinking about the WAC
by 49erEmpire on Feb 9, 2010 8:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Honestly I don’t think the WAC has much to offer the Pac-10…
by Missing Barry on Feb 10, 2010 6:18 AM PST up reply actions
Agree. As much as I love Fresno State, they have no appeal to the Pac 10. That would require frequent trips to Fresno, which I wouldn’t wish on anyone.
I think it has to be BYU/UTAH. You bring in the SLC and LDS market. Both have strong alumni support and are good in multiple sports. They have one of the best rivalries in sports and it would work really well geographically.
And the chancellor of Berkeley is going to vote to admit BYU to the Pac 10? Before Prop 8 I would have said no chance. Now they’re more likely to add Iowa State.
Moreover, how happy would the Washington and Oregon schools be when you told them they’re only playing USC every other year in football from now on and instead they get Utah every year?
I would expect the chancellor of Berkley to be educated enough to respect diversity in political opinions.
Why would they only play USC every other year? I didn’t see that plan anywhere. I expect it to be like the BIG10 schedule. Moreover, Utah and BYU are better programs than Colorado in Football and Basketball right now. So unless you get Texas, you’re not getting better competition than Utah/BYU.
Moreover, Utah and BYU are better programs than Colorado in Football and Basketball right now
Two questions – how do they compare across all sports (and similarly, how big are their athletic departments), and how big are their basketball/football programs? How they’ve done recently is only one thing to consider – their fan support, the support they get from the school, the revenue they bring in, all factors to consider in terms of “who’s the better program”. For instance, Colorado just recently (last ~3 years or so) started pouring a lot more resources into their basketball program than they used to, I’m pretty sure they just built a new gym/facilities, so they’re really trying to upgrade in that area. Things like that are part of the consideration process.
by Missing Barry on Feb 11, 2010 8:56 AM PST up reply actions
Good points. I know quite a few Utah/BYU fans here in Arizona and their fan support down here is strong. BYU fans are more serious than ASU and UofA fans in my opnion.
I don’t know if how they compare across all sports really matters that much. Football and sometimes Basketball are the only revenue generating sports in NCAA.
If they added two schools to the conference they’d have twelve teams; you couldn’t possibly play everyone every year. Normally what would be done (as they do in the Big 12, ACC, and SEC) is you’d divide into two divisions and each team would play every team in their own division every year (that’s five games) and half the teams in the other division on a rotating basis (three more games). Currently the Pac 10 (unlike most other conferences) plays nine conference games, so if they kept that they could play the teams in the other division slightly more often, but still not every year.
I would expect the chancellor of Berkley to be educated enough to respect diversity in political opinions.
From the article:
He said the primary factor in the decision will be finding schools that fit into the conference culturally and academically.The Pac 10 currently doesn’t have any religiously affiliated schools. Do you think they’ll start with BYU, and that it fits culturally with Berkeley, UCLA, and Oregon?
So the rotation would make it where every couple years they didn’t play USC. But definitely not every other year.
The culture issue is a better argument than the Prop 8 issue. You’re right that the religious aspect could be a culture issue. But to my knowledge, I don’t think BYU made a stance against Prop 8. The LDS church did come out against it, but I never heard that BYU did. Especially being in Utah, I don’t see why they would have.
Especially being in Utah, I don’t see why they would have.
I don’t know why they would either, but Mormons from Utah donated millions to the Prop 8 campaign. The estimate I saw was that 40% of the donations to the Prop 8 campaign came from LDS members, and considering that Mormons are only 2% of the California population, it’s a good bet the bulk of that money came from out of state. And here’s an article from the BYU student newspaper about students working to help pass Prop 8.
Like I said, I agree that they might not accept BYU due to being a religious school, considering that there are no other religious schools currently in the PAC 10; but the prop 8 argument is a completely separate argument that I disagree with. I’m sure the presidents of the PAC 10 schools have plenty of political differences that do not impede working relationships.
I would expect the chancellor of Berkley to be educated enough to respect diversity in political opinions.
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Maybe we can get rid of Ariz and ASU instead.
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by natteringnabob on Feb 10, 2010 8:32 AM PST up reply actions
no hate really
just telling them to get off my Pac-8 lawn!
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Feb 10, 2010 5:11 PM PST up reply actions
I secretly hope that UC Davis gets a fair shot. Probably won’t, though.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
They could likely hang in most sports but the football team is nowhere near Pac-10 level and I think that will be the top consideration.
Thing A
They did beat Stanford a couple years ago
But that was before Andrew Luck
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by Gobroks on Feb 9, 2010 11:19 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
That was also 5 years ago and honestly the program has probably regressed since then. Its not gonna help their case that this year they lost to Boise St and Fresno St by a combined score of 85-16 this past year…. or that they both literally and figuratively let the lights go out in the stadium with 2 minutes left in a close home game. After leading most of the game they fell flat on their faces once, after a half hour delay, they were able to turn the stadium lights back on. Also, as much as I love the enthusiasm of the Aggie Pack, they dont exactly fill the seats at home games either. Coach Biggs is touting this recruiting class as the best ever, but I cant see them being able to hang with even the Washington State’s of the conference and playing 3rd fiddle in northern california and 5th or 6th fiddle in california isnt gonna make recruiting much easier even if they do jump up into a major conference. I’d love for it to happen, but I dont think it makes much sense for the Pac-10.
Thing A
BUT THEY HAD JTO! THAT HAS TO COUNT FOR SOMETHING RIGHT?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 10, 2010 8:10 AM PST up reply actions
Recruiting would be a lot easier if they were in the Pac-10 though. They are way behind, but could close some of that gap by just being in a major conference.
Not having proper facilities is a concern.
by microwave donut on Feb 10, 2010 9:29 AM PST up reply actions
Wow I thought it was like 3 years ago
And I live near Davis. LOL Me
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There’s things that are not happening, and then there’s “Me scoring with Halle Berry” and “Davis joins the Pac 10.”
Well, I never said it was realistic.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 11, 2010 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
Boise St and Fresno are not joining the Pac 10, though they’d be well advised to see if they can get into the Mountain West. But those schools simply don’t add anything academically or athletically to the Pac 10.
If they were to expand, Texas and Texas A&M would be the best choice (need to get to 12 teams for the conference championship game). Colorado would be a good fit, but they’d still need another team to make it worth doing. Utah and BYU are not happening; the Pac 10 requires a unanimous vote of the current schools to add a team and I guarantee at least one of the California schools vetoes the Mormons.
Realistically, though, the unanimous consent deal makes Pac 10 expansion unlikely. Stanford, for some reason, vetoed Texas when they tried to join the conference back in 1994. If they won’t take an excellent academic school that excels in most major sports, I don’t see much hope.
Utah and Colorado ARE the two schools being discussed....
….. expanding is all about bringing in new markets for the new television contract that is going to be getting renewed next year. BYU won’t make it because of the religion factor but Utah and Colorado give the Pac10 both the Salt Lake City market and the Denver market.
Neither Texas or Texas A&M are going anywhere but you could see TCU slip into the Big 12 if Colorado leaves.
I assumed that any expansion would have to include schools from mid-majors. Would there be any reason for Texas or Colorado to move from the Big12?
I would agree that Fresno and Boise do not fit academically, but…
Boise has the football program. I would think the conference and the school would mutually benefit from the addition of that program to the Pac10. Fresno just seems to me to have a fairly robust sports department overall. They’re not killing it in any sport, but You hear about them from time to time in football/basketball/baseball.
I would also think that any school that joins would:
Get an influx of resources to improve their programs.
Be expected to improve their sports programs to a certain level.
Adding two natural rivalries would seem a bit difficult. New Mexico / New Mexico State and Nevada / UNLV are not good enough, in my opinion. I would agree with You on Utah / BYU. The religion might be an issue.
When I heard the news, it just struck me that there are not too many mid-majors that are better candidates.
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Texas has never been happy in the Big 12. This shouldn’t be that surprising, considering they are far and away better both academically and athletically than all of the other schools in the conference. In 1994, before ultimately joining the Big 12, Texas tried unsuccessfully to join both the Pac 10 and the Big 10. Both would still be attractive to Texas, I think, though at this point the Big 10 could offer much more financially; the Big Ten’s football contract is worth more than $250M annually, which means each school takes home more than double what Texas is currently getting from the Big 12. I don’t see how the Pac 10 could match or even come close to that, but a Pac 10+Texas might be able to command a good enough deal that they could top Texas’ current share of the Big 12 pool.
gotta disagree that they are “far and away better”. OU has an outstanding football program, and they play descent basketball as well. KU (full disclosure…huge Jayhawk fan) has perhaps the premier basketball program in Division I right now, and the Big 12 over all is either the best or second best (next to the Big East) basketball program in the country. Texas is far and away better athletically than every school in the Pac 10 for sure.
Athletics include a lot more than football and basketball. I imagine Texas’ overall athletic department does very well, but I don’t think you can say it’s better than every Pac-10 school.
by Missing Barry on Feb 10, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
As a whole athletic department, Texas is far superior to every other Big 12 school. Yes, Kansas is better at men’s basketball, and Oklahoma is competitive with them in football, but Texas is a strong in both, plus is ranked in women’s BB and is a national power in baseball and both men’s and women’s swimming.
It is, on the other hand, not the case that Texas is better athletically than any Pac 10 school, unless you only count football and men’s basketball. This list, for example, is dominated by the Pac 10, with several Pac 10 schools ranked ahead of Texas.
I am only county men’s football and basketball because they are (in the end) what matters to athletic directors. They are the revenue sports, and provide funding for the rest of the programs. I think it’s great that the University of Denver has a strong athletic program across the board, but it does nothing to change the fact that in the revenue generating sports they are not a factor.
They are the revenue sports, and provide funding for the rest of the programs.
Absolutely true, but if you think they’re the only thing that matters to athletic directors, well….you might be right in somewhere like Alabama (actually, in that case it’d only really be football), but in the Pac-10, there is a big focus on sports outside of just those two.
by Missing Barry on Feb 10, 2010 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
I really, truly think that (depending on the school, of course) this is true. I don’t imagine for a nanosecond that football isn’t the number 1 concern of USC’s A.D. Everything else HAS to pale in comparison.
I’m sure that if you’re the A.D. at an Ivy League school, or Berkeley, they wouldn’t be #1 but at most schools I don’t think that’s true.
Of course money tends to be the driving factor for anything, but if you look at the link taliesin gave us, or other measures of success across all sports, you see that a large number of Pac-10 schools do better in all sports than they do when looking at just basketball and football – suggesting the Pac-10, overall, focuses more on the full spectrum of sports than most other schools/conferences. So that’s the point I was trying to make – not that money isn’t important, or football/basketball (the revenue sports) aren’t important, just that they tend to be less important, relative to all the other sports, than most other places.
by Missing Barry on Feb 10, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
Well of course in some sense football is the most important sport to an AD; that is, after all, where the money comes from. However, the AD still cares about the other sports and he wants the whole athletic program to be successful — indeed you could say that the AD is caring about women’s soccer when he’s trying to figure out if the football program is bringing in enough money. The athletic department is not a business; the success of the football program (financially) is essential to the success of the athletic program as a whole, because the whole endeavor takes money. But getting revenue is not the purpose of the athletic program; the purpose is to provide programs for the students to participate in.
I completely agree with you on an intellectual level, and actually argue this constantly with my father. I want that to be the driving factor, and I want to believe that women’s field hockey and men’s tennis are every bit as important as football and basketball. However, the amount of money brought in by b-ball and Handegg do more than just fund all the other sports. They are revenue generators that dwarf nearly everything else on campus, thus are catered to. I don’t care for it, but it’s the truth.
They are revenue generators that dwarf nearly everything else on campus
This isn’t really true. Football and to a much smaller extent basketball bring in a lot of revenue, but all of that money and then some (at most schools) is poured into other athletic programs. Cal recently had a faculty uprising because the school is subsidizing the athletic program to the tune of about $8M per year (while tuition hikes and budget cuts are going on). So it isn’t really the case that football is a revenue generator for the university, unless you believe that it’s a main driver of contributions to the alumni fund (which I don’t believe is the case at the vast majority of schools).
perhaps not at Cal, but you have to admit that’s kind of a unique case. Cal is a very good football school that hates the fact that it has a football team. I’m sure that the faculty at, say, Nebraska don’t riot against athletics. The Pac 10 TV deals are pretty widely panned as well, from what I recall.
BTW, (if it’s not to personal), can you explain your handle? I have an ex who had a cat with that name.
Well the point is not so much that at Cal they’re complaining about the athletics, it’s that even with big-time football and basketball, the athletic department is a cost center, not a profit center; so football is important to the athletic department, but it isn’t important to the finances of the university as a whole, except insofar as football fails to cover the cost of the athletic program and the school diverts funds to make up the shortfall.
As for my name, well, most people know it as a house that Frank Lloyd Wright built in Wisconsin. But I am more nerdy than that, so I know the guy’s name as that of a sixth century British poet (bard) who allegedly was in the court of King Arthur. My old laptop’s machine name was taliesin, and in the early days of the internet I started using it on internet chat boards and just got used to it.
at Cal that may be true, but I’m pretty sure Nebraska, Texas, etc. make money for their schools.
The poet was the inspiration for the cat’s name as well. I’ve not run across it many times.
A few schools make money from their athletic programs, but generally not much. You are correct about Texas, for example. Part of the way they do it is simply not competing in many sports — they only field 19 teams, just three over the D-I minimum.
But according to this article profitable athletic programs are a distinct minority:
Last fall, an NCAA-commissioned study found that 25 programs reported positive net revenue in fiscal year 2008, up from 19 schools in 2006.So out of the FBS schools, more than three-quarters are losing money on athletics.
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Fresno and Boise do not fit academically
Can we get rid of Arizona State then?
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Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Feb 10, 2010 8:36 AM PST up reply actions
as a fresno guy, i can tell you, unequivocally, that fresno state joining the pac 10 would be a disaster, at least in the early going. cant say how things might be 10 years from now, but academically its a joke, athletically and recruiting wise they would be in the middle to bottom of nearly every sport.
and fresno, the city, is the smallest city that wants to be big and the biggest city that acts small in the world. there is no way our fan base could handle being in the pac 10. we have so many fair weather fans that it wouldnt matter who we were playing unless it was usc in football. every other game would get treated like every other game, so to speak.
pac 10 should pass on fsu.
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by Headhunter Rollins on Feb 10, 2010 7:12 AM PST reply actions
This should be decided on who has the best cheerleaders.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 10, 2010 9:24 AM PST reply actions
I don’t think that Goofus is actually eligible, though.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 10, 2010 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
I would be against expansion, as I enjoy the round robin nature of the conference sports right now.
Expansion would ideally include two schools with a natural rivalry, have a decent academic program, be competitive with most of the major sports, and be fairly close the the pacific. The Utah, Colorado, Texas and other schools discussed really don’t match up well on all of those terms.
I think Utah/Colorado does, but Texas seems to be getting pretty far out there (though bringing the Texas market and getting an in into Texas recruiting I’m sure would appeal to the Pac-10)….
by Missing Barry on Feb 10, 2010 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
it’s hard for me to imagine CU leaving the Big 12. They were a founding member of the Big 8, have natural geographic rivalries with Nebraska, Kansas, Kansas State, and even OU and Texas (with bit of a strech). I just don’t see CU v Stanford ever having a rivalrey like CU and Nebraska have (when they’re both good, of course)
That’s a good point, but if the Big 10 picks off Texas or even Missouri, the already tenuous financial situation of the Big 12 relative to the SEC and the Big 10 is only going to get worse.
As to rivalries, I think they’re formed on the field. As an Iowa fan, I never would have thought Penn State would become one of our biggest rivals. But there you go. If both schools are good in a sport for long enough, they’ll start to hate each other.
That’s true. Mizzou isn’t going anywhere, I doubt Texas will. They’re in a great spot in the Big 12, and they’d have to be promised the moon and starts to move. The rivalries with OU in football and KU in basketball are huge.
Missouri would join the Big 10 in a second if they were asked. I really don’t see how they could turn it down. They’d see their athletic department budget increase by $12 million overnight. Texas would consider it very seriously and if the decision were solely up to them would almost surely do it, but politics in Texas might make it difficult for them to precipitate the destruction of the Big 12, since Baylor, Tech, and A&M would be left behind to pick up the pieces. But if Missouri jumped first….
Fresno State Alum, saying that if the Pac 10 expands I do not think the WAC is where they would look. It would be the Mountain West.
Taking either Fresno or Boise would take out what little football competition there is in the WAC, let alone other sports.
I always thought it would be better if the Mountain West and the WAC joined together to form a new conference.
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I would love to see Fresno State in the Pac 10 or Pac 12, lol? I think their football team deserves alot more big games, and could get the respect they need being in the Pac 10 over the Wac, I mean lets face it, the Wac is…….wack?
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by The Montana Giant on Feb 10, 2010 10:24 AM PST reply actions
LOL OLD!
I remember when it was the Pac-8.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 10, 2010 10:31 AM PST reply actions
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Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Feb 10, 2010 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
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by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 10, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
I vote for
Boise St / Utah.
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Potential candidates for a Pac 10 expansion, were it to occur, are discussed in this blog post. (Look down toward the bottom.) This guy’s conclusion is that the Pac 10 is likely to stand pat.
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And the fact that I graduated from there means I don’t know how to count.
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I’ve long thought that expanding the Pac-10 to 12 teams made sense, but only if they do like other major conferences and split into divisions and then have a play-off game to decide the winner of the conference. I think this would give the Pac-10 more credibility in the eyes of voters and maybe teams from the conference wouldn’t continue to get screwed by the BCS as often.
If this is the scenario that is followed, then the teams added would have to make sense geographically in order to balance the divisions. Assuming Washington, WA State, Oregon and OR state are in the north, and USC, UCLA and the two Arizona schools are in the south, and Cal, Stanford in one or the other, then each school added would have to be in the same region. So Boise St. and Fresno St. wouldn’t work. I always figured that Boise St. and Utah was the most logical fit – then they would be in the northern division and Cal, Stanford would be in the south.
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by crazedcrustacean on Feb 10, 2010 3:45 PM PST reply actions
I thought about this when I heard it on KCBS today
the WA and OR schools obviously go in one division, and the SoCal and AZ schools in the other. But any system that separates Cal and Stanfurd would just be stupid.
Coastal vs. Inland? UW, Cal, Stanfurd, U$C, UCLA. Then WSU is left out. Adding Boise and Utah to the OR and WA schools would be sensible but I don’t think they’re going to add Boise in the first place.
I didn’t really like the round robin thing for football this year; it’s hard enough having to play 8 Pac-10 teams. Adding two more teams, divisions, and the inevitable and anti-climactic playoff game would be even dumber and make it even more difficult for a Pac-10 team to get anywhere.
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Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Feb 10, 2010 5:16 PM PST up reply actions
Well first of all they’re not adding Boise. But let’s say they added Utah and Colorado. Now try to convince UW, WSU, OSU, and Oregon to vote for a proposal that means they’ll play Utah and Colorado every year, but USC only every other year. I think Pac 10 expansion is a really hard sell unless the new members really bring a lot to the table, because I don’t think simply the allure of a championship game is going to be enough overcome Oregon’s desire to recruit in Southern California.
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