Top 30 Prospects, Part IV: 11-15
by Grant on Feb 9, 2010 1:19 PM PST
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If you're really dogmatic about your rankings, here's the segment that will give you a ton to complain about...
15. Aaron King – LHP
King is 20, he’s a left-handed starter, and he can reach 95 MPH with his fastball. He didn’t have gaudy strikeout numbers in low-A, and his mechanics frighten some folks.
When ranking prospects, a good way to decide whom to rank on top is to think about a hypothetical trade – would you trade #15 for a player just like #16?, for example. The back-half of a list like this is littered with raffle tickets. All things being equal, I prefer my raffle tickets to be left-handed starters who can reach 95 MPH with their fastballs while putting up respectable numbers in a league they aren’t too old for.
That whole 95 MPH is a bit of a red herring; King is usually closer to 90/91 MPH with his fastball. And he’s wild as all heck – along with the 4.5 walks per nine innings, he plunked 10 batters and threw 12 wild pitches. But he’s a youngish prospect, and I’ll take my chances that the Giants can make the same tweaks to King that they did with another raw, hard-throwing lefty.
14. Jorge Bucardo - RHP
Bucardo gets groundballs, he has good command for a teenager, and while he isn’t a flamethrower just yet (high-80s/low-90s), he should add more as he fills out. Well, I don’t know that. It’s just what I’ve heard around the water cooler. I mean, I didn’t add velocity when I filled out. The years of bourbon and cheesecake kind of settled in a thick paste around my midsection, and I’m pretty sure my fastball can’t crack 80 MPH these days.
I probably overrate pitchers who show good command in leagues they’re a little young for. In retrospect, Jerome Williams probably wasn’t the bestest prospect who ever prospected, especially since he was always supposed to add velocity but didn’t. But velocity junkies probably underrate pitchers like Bucardo. If the lower end of his ceiling is a sinker/slider/control pitcher with a two-seamer in the high-80s, he’ll still have a good chance to help a major league club. I’ll take the over on that projection, and predict that Bucardo does add a little velocity, for no other reason than I want him to.
13. Eric Surkamp – LHP
This is probably more of a crazy overranking that King was, actually, even though Surkamp had prettier stats. Surkamp was among the minor league leaders for K/9 among starting pitchers, a gaudy 11.6, and he was only 21 years old, which isn’t out of place at all in low-A. If he threw in the low/mid-90s instead of 86-88 MPH, he’d be a top-100 prospect in baseball!
Also, if I could bend the laws of physics with my mind, I probably would be a top-100 prospect in baseball too. So I have that going for me. Which is nice.
So, fine, Surkamp doesn’t throw especially hard, and he’ll likely have a tough time as he moves up the ladder, maybe aping the Pat Misch career path. But until that happens, I’ll overrate Surkamp’s K-inducing curve, I’ll ignore that he’s a fly ball pitcher, and I’ll note that the bottom of FanGraphs’ velocity rankings have lefties who are still quite successful.
Yeah, this is probably ten spots too high. But it worked out so well for Ben Snyder.
12. Francisco Peguero – OF
The Pablo Sandoval comparisons are cute – both are free swingers who play the game with a boyish glee – until you realize that Sandoval is less than two years older than Peguero. The Giants are really excited about Peguero, which doesn’t mean that much to me. They probably don’t care that Peguero isn’t walking at all – "when you hit .350, why do you need to take a walk?" –they probably don’t think that his age has anything to do with how he’s expected to develop (he’s 21, which is appropriate for low-A, but not unusual), and they surely have no concept of Peguero’s BABIP of .400 being a red flag.
But John Sickels and Baseball America – and anyone who watches Peguero, really – have respect for his tools.
Yep. Bunch of tools. So against my better judgment, he’s up high on the list. If he can’t learn to take a pitch, he’ll be in the minors for a while. Just kidding. If he hits an empty .300 with a .310 on-base percentage, he’ll be leading off for the Giants in 2012. That’s the Giants Way.
11. Ehire Adrianza – SS
Some people love him, some people aren’t nearly as impressed. But if we live in a world in which Jack Wilson’s defense combines with a career .268/.310/.374 line to form an underpaid asset, I’ll focus on Adrianza’s positives more than his negatives.
He can play a mean shortstop. So could Brian Bocock, of course, so it takes more than just a glove to be a prospect. But Adrianza’s offense gets a little bit of a bad rap. A 19-year-old who shows good plate control in the Sally isn’t anything to dismiss. He wasn’t a walking machine, but he held his own, and he didn’t strike out a ton. The lack of power is disconcerting, but he’s still young and thin. He’ll never be a guy who hits double digits in homers with regularity, but he’s a shortstop. If he can walk a little, hit enough doubles to keep the defense honest, and play superior defense, he’ll be a very valuable asset.
In a perfect world, he’ll grow up to be Asdrubal Cabrera, though Cabrera was already showing more power at this stage. In the imperfect world in which we live, Adrianza is more likely to be a backup, glove-only bench guy. But he’s young enough to hope for a little more.
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Pretty much. I’ll either look really smart, or I’ll edit away the evidence before next year’s list. Win/win!
/slips Grant the rest of the bribe
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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Yeah I'm a King fan
and I only have him aaround 25. I have Surkamp at about 21 and Bucardo at 30. Peguero is 10 and Adrianza is 11. So basically 3 overrated, 1 (sliglhtly) underrated and 1 spot on. IMO
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Also, for Ehire, I’m not sure I get SFDugout’s ranking on him. They tabbed him as the #50 prospect, yet place guys like Steve Edlefsen and Dan Turpen nearly 30 places ahead of him. I just can’t see how 2 relievers (non-elite ones, too) would ever rank better than a +5-10 glove SS.
Explain yourself Brute/Baron!
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Brute has a crazy anti-tools bent. The mere mention of tools gets him a-frothing.
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Still! From what I can get, they grade heavily on performance and not ceiling as much. Or even position from the look of it.
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But he’s lower then Wendell! That’s as all tools/no production (yet) as you can get
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by theghostofjasonellison on Feb 9, 2010 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
Anti-tools? Really?
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by BruteSentiment on Feb 9, 2010 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
Google Image Search result for "Anti-Tools"
by Grant on Feb 9, 2010 5:00 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
My god, what kind of stuff do they do over at SFDugout?
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by theghostofjasonellison on Feb 9, 2010 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
Okay, that image is worth being called ‘Anti-Tools’.
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by BruteSentiment on Feb 9, 2010 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
I’m thinking of having my cat put down just on principle after seeing that.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Feb 9, 2010 5:44 PM PST up reply actions
Really. Really, really, really. Or at least it seems that way to me, Brute. I wouldn’t want to mischaracterize, but you’ll always be the “pure tools don’t mean diddly” guy to me.
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OH SNAPZ
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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It’s not that I’m against tools…it’s that I’m against one of a few things:
A). A player with one tool, and irrationally high expectations because of it.
B). ‘Potential’ five-tool prospects, with an ‘if’ attached. There are maybe dozens of such prospects that come out each year, but who have that five-tool tag removed awfully quickly when they actually try to apply said tools.
C). Just tools, without anything else to go on. As the saying goes, anyone can have a toolbelt, it doesn’t make them a carpenter.
I love great tools, and I put the tools into the mix with all of my rankings, but tools are just a part of the equation. And we’ve seen it happen over and over, with the Schoops and the Bococks and the Fairleys and the Valdezs of the world.
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by BruteSentiment on Feb 9, 2010 6:55 PM PST up reply actions
You seem to rank certainty of making the majors over ceiling, is that a fair statement?
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Absolutely.
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by BruteSentiment on Feb 9, 2010 6:57 PM PST up reply actions
Even when there is almost complete certainty that they’ll be completely fungible, like a middle reliever?
(esp. of goods) being of such nature or kind as to be freely exchangeable or replaceable, in whole or in part, for another of like nature or kind.
The problem here is ‘freely’. You can’t freely, or necessarily easily, replace a middle reliever. For every year the team has a middle relief corps made of minor-league-contract guys like 2009, you’ll get years like 2004 or 2005.
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by BruteSentiment on Feb 9, 2010 7:07 PM PST up reply actions
Most middle relievers are only worth around .5 WAR at the absolute most. There’re dozens of pitchers who can do that, so they’re not really worth very much.
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I know I personally tend to downgrade most non-elite relievers. They just have so much variance from season-to-season. The way I look at prospects, I’m probably even harder on reliever only guys. Example: You’ve got a guy like Kevin Pucetas who’s a starter. If he washes out as a SP, he can covert to relief and he might pick up a couple of miles on his fastball and be more successful. With a guy like Dan Turpen, if he’s not relieving he’s done. He has no other ways to maneuver into the big leagues.
Does that make any sense?
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It makes sense...
but it also reeks a little of an argument that was had on here years ago: why aren’t second basemen and shortstops more interchangeable? Other than the obvious (shortstops have need of stronger arms), both are responsible for equal areas of space. If anything, second basemen need to cover more since they have to cover for first basemen-often the defensive liabilities on the field and often playing out of position. Logically speaking, they should have interchangeable tools. But they don’t.
The same happens with relievers and starters. They need the same tools, but they still work in different ways. Some starters can make the switch, but not everyone.
While I agree that ‘more room to fail’ is worth taking into account, I don’t take it into account as much as it seems others do.
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by BruteSentiment on Feb 9, 2010 7:18 PM PST up reply actions
Shortstops tend to have more balls hit at them over the course of a season
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And you need a better arm at short
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I did mention that.
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by BruteSentiment on Feb 9, 2010 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
LOL me and the skipping of parentheses...
My bad
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What part of
Other than the obvious (shortstops have need of stronger arms),
are people not seeing?
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by BruteSentiment on Feb 9, 2010 7:22 PM PST up reply actions
Did anyone mention that SS need a better arm?
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Hey I was wondering if shortstops need a better arm, can anyone tell me?
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Ah..
I fell in.
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by BruteSentiment on Feb 9, 2010 7:24 PM PST up reply actions
You know, guys at the bottom of the sarchasm need better arms.
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by Johnny Disaster on Feb 9, 2010 8:08 PM PST up reply actions
You see a lot of SS → 2B but not the other way around. There’s probably some BIAS going on in there somewhere based on physical traits. I think it’s slightly different with SP and RP. Most relievers lack the stamina and pitch selection that SP have. I guess you could argue that pitching out of the bullpen is very different for a SP, but I would think outside of that they have the advantage.
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haven't you NERDS ever played baseball?
Or softball even?
SS get way more chances and way more tough chances than 2B because most hitters are RH and pull the ball. Duh.
(BTW, I looked this up in fangraphs and of course it’s not true, at least by eyeballng A/Inn for qualified SS vs. 2B) I guess the chances could be tougher…
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But most good middle relievers don’t cost $400K.
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by BruteSentiment on Feb 9, 2010 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
There aren't really any good middle relievers on a y-t-y basis
Most of the relievers that are good most years are closers or setup men…
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They do when they’re pre-arbitration. They only cost significant amounts of money if you’re crazy enough to pay for them on the open market.
Why did you just support my argument?
How do you get these guys pre-arbitration? YOU HAVE THEM IN YOUR SYSTEM.
If you have to trade for them, then they again don’t cost $400K.
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by BruteSentiment on Feb 9, 2010 7:15 PM PST up reply actions
Craig Breslow on the A’s immediately comes to mind. A significant portion of the time, these guys are just DFA’d and on the waiver wire, hence, freely available.
Define 'significant portion of the time'
You should at least be able to name more than one pre-arb DFA’d player, at the very least.
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by BruteSentiment on Feb 9, 2010 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
Medders was DFA’d in 2008 and signed to a minor league contract last year. Again, under $500,000, which is peanuts to a major league team (especially because they’re going to have to at least spend $100,000 on the roster spot anyway).
I’m most familiar with the A’s and Giants, but I’m sure there are other examples out there.
Ah..
…so we’re backing off from the pre-arbitration argument?
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by BruteSentiment on Feb 9, 2010 7:38 PM PST up reply actions
Eh, not entirely. For starters, I never said that’s the only place that fungible relievers can be found. You merely said that good relievers generally cost >$400K, and I pointed out that pre-arbitration ones do not.
Hence...
having prospects who will become good relievers has good worth.
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by BruteSentiment on Feb 9, 2010 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not quite sure I follow.
If you can pick them up freely from other teams when they’re pretty much major league ready, why do you need to stock them in your own system?
Again...
The assumption is that they are always available and ripe off of some tree somewhere.
That’s not the case…for all the years we do find some like that, the team has had as many (if not more) where they couldn’t. Take a look at the bullpen after the 2003 season and the cascade of problems it had then.
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by BruteSentiment on Feb 9, 2010 8:30 PM PST up reply actions
My point would be that you can’t play in the majors without the tools — the game is too fast. You need other things yes; but without the tools you just can’t make it. And while you always say that the high ceiling tools guys are likely to disappoint, you neglect to notice that low ceilinged non-tool guys do so in bucketloads. I could find 50 guys just looking at the last 10 years Salem-Kizer rosters who posted outstanding numbers in low A ball, but were low draft choices, low ceiling, old for their league types who very predictably went down hill in their production as they went uphill in competition.
I’d fathom to guess that some 40% of every draft is made up of those guys, and when they fail to reach their utmost potential even by a hair, they fall by the wayside. The thing about the tools players (other than they’ll need them to succeed in the majors) is that they have room to fail — room to not meet their ceiling and still be effective major leaguers.
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You’re wrong: 80% of the draft is made up of those guys. And you’re not wrong that low ceiling guys fail in bucketloads.
But they often succeed, too.
The thing is that the ‘tools’ players being referred to in the posts you mentioned above, and in this thread, often never get to any level of success because they never put together any level of production. I have often highly rated other tools players, like Henry Sosa (who has been failing because of health reasons), but because they do more than have tools: they put them together.
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by BruteSentiment on Feb 9, 2010 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
Do you ever test your assumptions? Do you compare how your rankings turn out, in comparison to, say, BA’s?
I haven’t been doing them long enough to do a good sample size so not yet…but I’m thinking about putting one out later this month (I need to dig out BA’s older prospect guides so I have their Top 30 lists).
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by BruteSentiment on Feb 9, 2010 8:26 PM PST up reply actions
But you have to admit (or if you don’t you should re-read some of your comments) that you frequently come off as having a serious ax to grind regarding players commend for their extraordinary tools. You should read your anti Heyward rants in one of the comments I linked to above — loudly disclaiming over and over that he was a poor defensive player who’d be limited to 1B or LF, with no speed, and an iffy bat. Your irritation was based exactly on your criteria listed above. The problems were: a) they were all completely untrue; b) they were diametrically opposed to scouting reports; and c) the source for all your criticisms seemed to be coming from nowhere but just you, your opinion and what appeared to be a very strong personal bias.
And that’s really why I said above I thought you were anti-tools. It’s the venom and contemptuousness that really leaps off your posts whenever you’re discussing these high ceiling tools guys that is most noticeable in the end. The specific opinions fade, but that general impression has some serious staying power.
IMHO FWIW
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The #50 ranking is because his only plus tool that we’ve seen is his defense, and as Grant pointed out with Bocock, defense isn’t enough.
The thing is that Adrianza doesn’t have the complimentary tools many defense-first prospects do. I don’t think he has any batting tools, for average or power. He also doesn’t have better than average speed.
I don’t like his swing. He gets behind pitches way too often, and his batspeed is poor. Sure, batspeed can improve, but I don’t see it happening. My prediction is that as he moves up the system, you’ll see his batting average fall, and so will the plate discipline. His strikeouts will increase as he has more and more troubles with breaking pitches.
Focusing on the upside is fine. But I expect we’ll see Edlefsen and Turpen as major leaguers. I don’t think we’ll see that with Adrianza. And as small an impact Edlefsen and Turpen will have as major leaguers, small is better than none.
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by BruteSentiment on Feb 9, 2010 4:58 PM PST up reply actions
Focusing on the upside is fine. But I expect we’ll see Edlefsen and Turpen as major leaguers. I don’t think we’ll see that with Adrianza. And as small an impact Edlefsen and Turpen will have as major leaguers, small is better than none.
Here’s where we differ. I can see guys like Edlefsen and Turpen being major leaguers, but if they make, they’ll almost certainly be guys that are easy to replace. Brandon Medders-types, guys who you’ll never be in a rush to buy out their arbitration years, even when they pitch like Medders did last year.
I can see a reasonable-though-not-likely scenario of Adrianza making the majors and being able to maintain a .260/.340/.380 line with great defense, and that’s a hard thing to find on the open market. Even though Edlefsen, or Downs, or Bond might have a 75% chance of showing up on a major league roster, while Adrianza might have a 25% chance, I’m more concerned about finding players who are hard to find. And I think Adrianza has a better chance of being a valuable commodity, even if he has a worse chance of being a MLB player at all.
But, yeah, everybody’s secret sauce is different.
I agree
Even if Edlefsen or Turpen make it to the bigs, I doubt either of them crack 0.5 WAR, whereas I think Adrianza has a good shot of being in the majors eventually, and even if he’s just a utility player, he’s likely to be worth around .75-1 WAR off the bench, minimum.
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Here, here, I totally agree with Grant’s statement here, the whole point of prospecting is finding those players who are hard to find. If you just want a bunch of relievers, you can pick them up, dime a dozen, off the free agent list or even via minor league contracts, that is how we got Miller and Medders last year.
And if Adrianza’s defense is as good as advertised, he would be a plus player with a .260/.340/.380/.720 batting line (NL average was .268/.327/.396/.722). He could probably do a high 600’s OPS and still be very valuable as a good defensive SS with some offense.
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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Feb 9, 2010 5:58 PM PST up reply actions
Fair enough.
But the problem with hard to find players is that they often have high prices, whether you’re talking about high draft picks or prices in international scouting. And costs go far beyond the initial bonuses, and it is becoming more and more of an issue in baseball.
Just because a player is replaceable doesn’t mean they’re worthless, regardless of WAR score. Relying on the risks of trying to find a Miller or a Medders every other year with minor league contracts. It isn’t something that can be counted on. If you want someone who can, you need to pay them.
Furthermore, you never know who will step beyond that role. It wasn’t long ago that Sergio Romo was one of those guys one might consider easily replaceable. Heck, there was a time that Jeremy Affeldt was considered that way.
I find plenty of value in them.
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by BruteSentiment on Feb 9, 2010 7:05 PM PST up reply actions
I think I’ve always loved Romo! His 2007 season with San Jose sealed me as a fan. He pitched 66.1 IP and struck out 106 batters while only walking 15. That’s incredible. It’s a K/9 of 14.4 to go with a BB/9 of 2.0. He definitely seemed like a scouts vs. stats kind of guy. IIRC, most scouting reports on him down played his velo and stuff in general. But his stats were outstanding.
I just hope he’s healthy this year. The Giants are already talking about his durability and it makes me a little =\
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You know who just loved Romo was Lyle. I’m pretty sure he started up the Sergio bandwagon.
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Still a big fan
And the adoption was a no-brainer. I’d still like to see him get a crack at a starting job, but I realize I’m in the minority with that view.
Brute, you’ve done an excellent job here explaining how some of the rest of us see prospect lists. Thank you! I may not push Adrianza down to #50 (I think I have him somewhere in the 20’s), but I’m definitely on-board with the idea that guys like Matt Downs have value to a ML team as inexpensive fill-in guys. I know you all talk about “fungible” players, but the Giants certainly don’t seem to be able to find these “readily available” replacement players you all talk about all the time. Look at 1B! And look how long it’s been a black hole in San Francisco. But I digress…..
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Yeah, I’d say given the talk of moving Sergio out of the setup man position because they don’t believe he can handle the workload, that starting is really not an option for him. Still, I agree with jponry, Romo is one lovable Giant. And if I’m not mistaken, you adopted him while he was in Augusta, right Lyle?
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Yep, Augusta did it for me, iirc. I’m not aware of the brass’s concerns about the workload – that’s disappointing. Details?
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Most people didn’t love him with the GreenJackets…at least not until he threw most of a no-hitter. And then many who liked that lost it when he punched a wall and broke his throwing hand the following week.
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by BruteSentiment on Feb 9, 2010 7:19 PM PST up reply actions
It wasn’t long ago that Sergio Romo was one of those guys one might consider easily replaceable.
I probably should have paid more attention to his 14.4 K/9 in San Jose, but I didn’t totally discount Romo (I had him #20 in hastily concocted list from yesteryear. My excuse was a) old for his league, and b) those lame scouting whispers that he was a 85 MPH guy.
No one puts up those K rates though, age be damned. The next time a reliever does, he’ll be high on the list.
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He is easily my fourth favorite Giant atm (LOL FRED)
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After Bengie, Aubrey, and Mota?
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I think I called him Aubrey Hepburn once.
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It was an Aubrey Huff burn.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Feb 9, 2010 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
We were pretty close...
That 2008 midseason ranking for you was similar to my preseason ranking of #23 that same season. The previous season (after his Augusta year), even then I had him at #42 (mostly off of said anger management problem).
And thus we bring up level as well. The closer a prospect is to the major, the higher I rank them. As such, it’s interesting to note that Turpen (#22) and Edlefsen (#20) are at a similar ranking as those Romo post-San Jose numbers.
As you said, different secret sauces. But some things come out similar.
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by BruteSentiment on Feb 9, 2010 8:53 PM PST up reply actions
The reliever closest to making my top-30 list without doing so was Joe Paterson. I really don’t trust Edlefsen’s command, and can’t get behind a reliever who isn’t averaging a strikeout per inning (Turpen).
On a semi-related note, I’m bummed that Justin Hedrick was such a disaster for Boston’s AA team.
More than semi-related...
Hedrick was one of my favorites, too. He had all the kind of rate stats one would like to see. More than a strikeout an inning, less than 7 hits every nine innings at every stop, and a walk rate that was decent. He’s certainly a posterboy for not relying too heavily on production over a lack of tools.
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by BruteSentiment on Feb 10, 2010 1:19 AM PST up reply actions
Any idea why the organization moved him so slowly?
And why he repeated both high-A and AA, despite his dominating performances?
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This is all speculation, but the scuttlebutt I heard was mostly around a lack of confidence. Mostly in his fastball and velocity, but also some around his intangibles.
The reason that was repeated that he was told was ‘They didn’t have a spot for him in Triple-A’, and they wanted to give him a shot elsewhere. This is an interesting note considering the discussion above about how ‘easy’ it is to find some DFA’d player with major league experience who can be used to fill out a bullpen…but among the downsides is that marginal players like this get the axe. In this case, it likely won’t come back to bite the Giants…and I can’t think of a time when it has. Still, it often feels like a waste of player development dollars, for a guy who has done well even without the ceiling.
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by BruteSentiment on Feb 10, 2010 3:33 AM PST up reply actions
On a semi-semi-related note, this year’s BA Prospect Handbook says of King:
The Giants will continue to develop him as a starter to get him innings, but King projects more as a reliever unless he makes drastic improvements to his command and breaking ball.
Knowing that Baggerly relies heavily on talks with people in the organization when putting his writeups and rankings together, it seems likely that this comment reflects organizational thinking to some degree. Now obviously King can change that thinking by having success as a starter.
But how much would your ranking of King change if you thought of him long-term as a reliever?
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No...
…but I do consider pitch recognition/strike zone knowledge a tool.
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by BruteSentiment on Feb 14, 2010 12:18 AM PST up reply actions
Crazy thought tangent!
We should hire Randy Johnson as a minor league pitching coach to specifically handle cases like King.
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They probably don’t care that Peguero isn’t walking at all – “when you hit .350, why do you need to take a walk?”
Sounds like the perfect Sabean/Bochy player.
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I was watching MLB Network’s “Seasons – 2001” and Dusty Baker was talking about Bonds’ chase of the single season record and about the amount of walks he was taking and being given and said this:
“Players hate taking walks, it’s very frustrating for them.”
It really bugs me how much walks are hated in the Giants organization, especially when you add in the fact that Bonds played on this team.
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I’m sure Bonds would have preferred to hit away in a lot of those spots where he was pitched around or walked intentionally, but I doubt he hated walks.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Feb 9, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
What do you have when you got a .350 hitter who can't walk?
A star hitter on your team.
Brian Bocock could take a walk but that didn’t do him much good when he isn’t hitting his weight.
Just because it’s better to take a walk than not take a walk, you don’t throw away good hitters who for whatever reason can’t take a walk. You need to understand sabermetrics if you are going to make decisions and opinions based on it.
And basically, this statement is putting down Pablo Sandoval, because for his brief history with us, he’s a .340 hitter who can’t take a walk. I wouldn’t mind having a whole lineup of Pablo Sandoval’s (assuming these guys can actually field their position, of course; I’m talking strictly hitting here) , we would be the best team in the majors for the next 5-10 years.
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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Feb 9, 2010 5:50 PM PST up reply actions
What do you have when you got a .350 hitter who can’t walk?
A star hitter on your team.
Being a .350 hitter in Low-A/Short Season at the age of 21 while repeating the levels doesn’t necessarily translate to being a .350 hitter in the Major Leagues. Or even in High-A or AA. Especially when it’s a pretty empty .350. .353 / .373 / .443 can very easily turn into .250 / .270 / .360.
And can you name a hitter who couldn’t draw walks who hit anything close to .350 on a regular basis? I can’t think of any.
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Nap Lajoie!
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I think he’s one of the most overlooked 2B’s in history. Career OPS+ of 150! And he played forever.
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and his team was named after him for awhile!
I think he’s behind Morgan/Collins/Hornsby, but not too far behind
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Have fun! I need to get back into mine. I started reading it a few months ago and got sidetracked. It’s huge and just crammed full of information.*
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Collins is definitely a player I didn’t realize was so good until reading stuff over at the HoM. Crazy good player.
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Why him? His longevity is awesome, but it looks like he never really lead the league in anything unlike Hornsby or Morgan. Did he have a great glove?
He led in runs and steals a few times. And walks! Also, the 142 career OPS+ is pretty impressive.
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I see that, but runs are team dependent, and it also looks like he lead the league in caught stealing a lot. I’m not impugning his HOF credentials, but I don’t know that he deserves to be on the same level as Hornsby and Morgan.
Hornsby was a well below average fielder and Morgan was mostly average-ish with a few better years. Collins was pretty consistently one of the absolute best (if not the best) defensive second baseman in baseball for most of his career.
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And personally
he’s my #1 2B
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If you're interested
Discussion of all-time rankings of second basemen can be found here:
http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/hall_of_merit/discussion/ranking_the_hall_of_merit_second_basemen_discussion/
http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/hall_of_merit/discussion/ranking_the_hall_of_merit_by_position_second_basemen_ballot/
They ended up Collins > Hornsby > Morgan > Lajoie > Robinson > Gehringer
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Boy putting Jackie in that list is difficult for me. He played half his career at other positions, and it wasn’t a long career.
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Jackie Robinson's career path was a little weird in terms of position
He played 151 games at first base as a rookie without playing any other positions. Then he moved to second base and played only 45 more games at first base for the rest of his career combined.
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That’s because ’48 was Gil Hodges rookie year. And they got rid of Eddie Stanky that offseason so Robinson could play 2B. I guess they were hedging their bets keeping Stanky in ’47 to see if Robinson would make it or not.
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Ah. Makes sense.
Still, I can’t think of anyone else who did anything like that – successful rookie as a first baseman, then moves to the middle infield.
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It’s definitely unique.
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I never knew Jackie Robinson had such a unique place in baseball history.
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Jack who?
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Well, a lot of HoM guys are big on peak, so that would help with the short career (just for the record)
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Also
he might be getting some war credit from some of them. and perhaps some minor league credit as well.
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That seems a little liberal with the credit. He went to the war straight from college (where he lettered in 4 sports but actually played baseball the least and the least well, hitting only .097 in his one season). And if I’m not mistaken, in both his single season in college AND his single season with the Kansas City Monarchs he played SS, not 2B. He played 2B when he went to Montreal, but again for only one season before being called up to Brooklyn.
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I said “some” credit, I don’t know how much he’s getting. And, again, a lot of them are really big on peak and Jackie’s got a fantastic peak.
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And either way
I don’t think it’s unfair to give some credit based on the strange situation in his early 20s.
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Yeah I understand. It’s just that he essentially isn’t a 2B before coming to the Dodgers. And his time at 2B for the Dodgers is 48-52. He just doesn’t play much 2B outside of those 5 years.
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Well, this was essentially about ranking by position and I think they wanted to fit every player in to one position or another and Jackie did play the most games at 2B of any position.
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Yeah, that’s that whole “problem with defined boundaries” thing those historians are always going on about.
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apropos of nothing
I think second base is my favorite baseball position. I have no clue why.
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I was always partial to third base. Always wanted to play it in Little League, even though I was better at second base.
I also don’t know why – while we had Kevin Mitchell and Matt Williams in those days, I was all about Will Clark when I was a kid.
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I like 3B because its the least represented position in the HoF.
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I was flipping through it earlier and it’s, like, ridiculously packed with info. A baseball nerd’s DREAM!
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I’ve never read through that whole book. Something to do when we get our own place, get unpacked, and have something resembling a regular schedule, I guess.
Side note: suddenly having to live with your parents while approaching the age of 30, and you haven’t lived for almost 15 years, kind of sucks.
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Hey I’m doing it at 22 but it still sucks
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I'm sure
But, y’know, I turn 30 next month. I last lived with my parents when I was 15 (long and not especially interesting story). Prior to late last year, the notion of my ever living with my parents again was so far from my mind as to seem absurd. But here we are.
Anyway. Hopefully I get this job and we can get our own place, at least. One good thing about Tallahassee: housing is cheap as fuck-all, especially when you’re used to the Bay Area.
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We’re actually in my mother’s workroom, which she usually uses for making stained glass, rather than the basement. There’s a kiln in the room, even!
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It’s huge and just crammed full of information.*
Also a lot snark. There’s one guy – I think Cecil Fielder – whose whole write-up is, basically, “Fat guy who hit home runs for a while.”
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I’d put Alomar in that group as well.
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I think Alomar is top 10 for sure, but some of the stuff I’ve seen about his glove kind of drops him from the top tier for me.
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I was surprised his glove didn’t rate very well by Total Zone. Did you know BB-Ref has TZ numbers now? He’s like -30 career runs at 2B which was shocking.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/alomaro01.shtml
He did win a ton of gold gloves (Palemeiro reference goes here) though.
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That is shocking because his range and arm seemed anecdotally incredible when I saw him, and I did watch him quite a bit in Baltimore. That’s really a twist of information for me.
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huh.
Anecdotally, he always seemed quite good defensively.
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speaking of Roberto Alomar and shortstops
In hindsight: the trade of Roberto Alomar and Joe Carter for Tony Fernandez and Fred McGriff. What think y’all: who got the better of it?
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and huh.
I just noticed that Fernandez was also once traded for Darrin Jackson. Jackson was a blink-and-you’ll-miss-it Giant, a la Desi Relaford. After spending time in Japan, he signed a minor league deal with us in 1997. It looked like he might be our new centerfielder, but then we signed Darryl Hamilton and Jackson never made the roster. Ended up playing for the Twins and the Brewers (still an AL team then) that year. .261 / .279 / .384. Probably best we got Hamilton, eh?
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My god, I really am a self-satire, aren’t I!?
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It’s not a question of being ignored, it’s just that I was totally engrossed there in looking up stuff about an ex-Giant who never actually played for the Giants more than a decade ago.
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For some reason I thought we traded for Hamilton.
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Nope, he signed with us
We traded him, though – that’s how we got Ellis Burks.
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I believe Hammy was Sabean’s very first FA signing. Beginning the epic Quest for CFs.
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Toronto got the rings, which pretty much closes the case for me. I assume they came out ahead by WAR and what have you as well, though I haven’t checked.
well, they definitely got more value
If only because San Diego unceremoniously dumped both Fernandez and McGriff not long after and got shit in return. But that’s a separate question, I think.
In a vacuum, I’d say Alomar >> Fernandez (though Fernandez was still quite good) and McGriff > Carter (although Carter gave the Jays four very nice years).
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You know I was talking about this with my brother recently, and we were discussing the Padres brutal waste of the talent they had in the Alomar brothers. That’s a ton of free talent they had on their hands and in a series of three trades over two years they basically pissed it away for nothing:
Sandy Alomar for Joe Carter
Carter and Roberto Alomar for McGriff and Fernandez
McGriff and Fernandez for piss all
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Nap was an incredible player. And yeah, one of the three or four greatest 2B in history I think (depending on how you see Hornsby, who’s bat was historic but who’s glove was decidedly not).
But check out some of those walk totals, especially early. 15 walks in 577 ABs; 10 walks in 471 ABs. He put up a .361/.392/.569!! line one year, which is probably the closest we’re going to find in baseball history to answering jcb’s question.
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WRONG
Pablo’s BB% raised dramatically last season, from 2.6% to 8.2%, whereas Peguero posted 3.9% and 2.0% walk rates. Furthermore, Pablo has the level of power that Peguero has yet to show (and probably won’t every show, with his Jason Tyner-like power).
Also, what’s with the pretension all of a sudden? Why can’t you talk to people without talking down to them? You’re nowhere near the most informed or informative person here or anything like that, and you have no business carrying yourself like this.
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agreed I was shocked when I saw that at the end of the year Pablo had a higher BB% than say Matt Kemp, TOTALLY AWESOME!!!!
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Whoa for real?
You know I always wonder why everyone harps on Pablo’s BABIP but never mentions how high Kemp’s is
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But there’s no guarantee that .350 is going to be .350 when Peguero reaches the majors. There are probably no “true” .350 hitters in baseball.
If he’s more of even just a .300 hitter, he’s probably not going to be particularly good.
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Oh, there are plenty!
Ty Cobb!
Rogers Hornsby!
Joe Jackson!
And…umm…hmm.
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lol deadball/1920s
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by the way, Joe Jackson's first season
.130 / .130 / .130 in 23 AB
Second season:
.176 / .222 / .176 in 17 AB
Man, he sucks! He got his chance!!!! EVEN MORE than Posey!!!!
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Yeah and he was DONE at 30!! Overrated!
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Well, I think that’s mostly because he kept forgetting his shoes.
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You know those two years with what was just about to be Connie Mack’s first great team, but for whatever reason Jackson couldn’t impress Mack and he virtually gave Joe away to Cleveland. The very next year they began a streak of 4 AL championships (and 3 World Series champs) in 5 years. The worst regular on the team in 1910 was their left fielder, Topsy Hartsel.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
I also think it’s not good to compare people to Sandoval, since he’s obviously a rarity. Dan Syzmborski made an interesting post on here a few days about Sandoval and his career path and how it’s been projected in ZiPS.
You can read it here: http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2010/1/31/1286578/the-rainman-projections-for-the#30119843
re .350 hitters
Tony Gywnn was a career .338 hitter. You know what fascinates me about Gwynn? His career K% is 4.7%! He never, ever struck out.
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But I do like Peguero (mostly because of TOOLS!) but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him fall out of the top-20 next year when he moves up a level and faces tougher pitching.
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I believe in Francisco! I think he’s a comer and we haven’t seen what he can really do yet.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
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1. he hit .330 last year not .340
2. he can take a walk, he had a .387 OBP last year. .387 > .330. Not a huge number of walks, but ~league average
3. he hits with power
If we had 8 guys who hit .350/.353/.373 we would have a pretty average (if fun) offensive (although we’d have all stars at at least 3 positions). Also I suspect the outfield would play “in”
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You’re right, this does give me a ton to complain about. All of these guys are ranked far too highly, but King and Surkamp more than the others. I really don’t get all the King love, unless you haven’t seen his delivery. King’s arm is going to fall off; you don’t have to be a scout to see that delivery is bad bad bad bad bad. It’s no wonder he throws low 90s – if he didn’t have so much wasted motion he could crank out 95 MPH fastballs more often. And he probably would have a more consistent delivery and improve his walk rate. Until he does that, don’t expect much.
King’s arm is going to fall off; you don’t have to be a scout to see that delivery is bad bad bad bad bad.
Isn’t this exactly what everyone was saying about Lincecum when he was 20?
Doesn’t mean it’s not true, of course.
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by jcb9 on Feb 9, 2010 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
according to wcw, every pitcher’s arm is going to eventually fall off, so what is the point?
by FluLikeSymptoms on Feb 9, 2010 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
you think every mechanic’s arm is going to eventually fall off?
by FluLikeSymptoms on Feb 9, 2010 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly
on both statements. You can’t project someone solely based on their mechanics, because that’s how 9 players get chosen before a guy who wins 2 CYAs in a row
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by bondslegend on Feb 9, 2010 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry
But you have no clue about what his mechanics do and don’t mean.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
Well yes and no, His mechanics are shite (especially in the repeatability sense), but it’s far easier to see the upside in someone who throws in the 90’s than say Eric Surkamp, and that goes for other teams as well. Hell, I think Alderson’s elbow is going to explode any moment now, but we were able to get Rya…oh…. never mind.
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by Smotheredinhugs on Feb 9, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
Just think of it as lets make a deal and instead of keeping our Ryan Garko we traded it for what was behind garage door number 46.
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by Smotheredinhugs on Feb 10, 2010 5:52 AM PST up reply actions
i seriously dont even pay attention to most of these guys until they get to AA or higher. its like cruising for myspace chicks in your area and hoping you’ll meet them someday and get laid. i’ll wait until the chick contacts me with sexy pics before i get excited…
Les Plack = more chicks
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by Headhunter Rollins on Feb 9, 2010 1:47 PM PST reply actions
Totally!
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The role of Erick Threets
shall be played by Aaron King.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 9, 2010 1:50 PM PST reply actions
Ah, but Surkamp DID post gaudy strike out numbers at Single A. 43 in 28 1/3 innings!
Um, and 28 walks.
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oh my.
I meant THREETS. Not Surkamp. I have a headache, dammit.
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I remember threets being awesome
in MLB 2k5
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I didn’t add velocity when I filled out. The years of bourbon and cheesecake kind of settled in a thick paste around my midsection, and I’m pretty sure my fastball can’t crack 80 MPH these days
Is this guest-written by Mychael Urban?
by sfmaynard on Feb 9, 2010 1:51 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
LOL GRANT'S FASTBALL!!
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 9, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
Cake & bourbon. Well worth the paste.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
CHEESECAKE IS NOT CAKE
If you keep making these wild claims, the forces of pie are going to have to use the nuclear option: declare pizza to be a form of pie.
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_____cake is cake.
Cup, pan, cheese. Not impressed yet? Put ‘cake’ at the end and you have deliciousness.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
That’s right, panCAKES.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
PIZZA PIE MOTHERFUCKER
Also, by your twisted logic, rocky mountain oysters are, in fact, oysters.
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Not the same thing
What would you call cheescake then? It’s made in the exact same way a cake is made. Cake is in the name. It’s cake.
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cheesecake is pie. It is round and has a crust.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 9, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
ITS MADE LIKE A CAKE, DUDE
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Typing in caps doesn’t make it true. It is pie. It has a crust.
Dude.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 9, 2010 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
Whatevar
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I consider cheesecake its own, unique category.
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INCORRECT
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It’s a custard on a graham cracker crust – more pie-like than cake-like.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Feb 9, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
Cheese does not deserve it’s own cake. Carrots too.
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by Giant among Angels on Feb 9, 2010 8:08 PM PST up reply actions
Cheesecake is a tart, which is a pie.
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And this is a rabbit
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And this is a cheese
…which means it can be used to make cheesecake!
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wtf
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Headcheese, dude.
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Thanks, brittian!
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Ah, spotted dick
My people are so fucked up.
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Fruitcake is pretty fucked up
But mainly I’m just talking about the name.
There are a lot of fucked up British foods, though. Obviously.
/is only part British (Scottish/English/Welsh), but is sure his other people have fucked up foods, too.
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I mean, does this look like something you want to eat?
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mushy peas?
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I hate pea soup
I love mushy peas.
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by natteringnabob on Feb 9, 2010 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
those are actually surprisingly good
i didn’t go out of my way to have them, mind you
but when i got them, they were good
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I found them flavorless, slimy, and gross when I was in the UK, I must say.
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it just tasted like mushed up peas to me!
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maybe we were eating at different types of places
…or maybe food in the UK has changed since the 90s.
When I had it, mushy peas were mushy by virtue of being cooked to the point they lost all flavor and texture and just because an awful goopy mess.
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just because an awful goopy mess.
That hardly seems like a reason.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 9, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
The taste is tied wholly to the amount of pepper involved in the cooking.
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As the newly self imposed arbitor of what is and is not politically correct and/or offensive, I will allow this TWSS.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 9, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
TWSS
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As the newly self imposed arbitor of what is and is not politically correct and/or offensive, I will disallow this TWSS.
(see how this works, howie?)
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 9, 2010 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
I appeal.
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What he wrote in reply to you was actually pretty sensible. This is pretty silly.
I was promised lasagna.
I am terribly offended by this and demand an immediate retraction and apology!
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 9, 2010 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
/Thumbs down.
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This too!
I may have to hire a relief line drawer. This is exhausting!
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 9, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
:.(
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You’re just jealous.
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Watch where you’re swinging that thing!
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 9, 2010 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
I like this stuff
But it does look pretty disturbing:
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WTF is this
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I also enjoy
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Youngest? Economical? How does that sell the product?
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the youngest bird nest is usually the freshest.
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IT'S ECONOMICS!
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
This looks like something that might attack me.
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from wikipedia
On December 15, 2009, Megan Mullally presented Andy Richter a tin of Spotted Dick as a Christmas gift on The Tonight Show with Conan O’Brien. Andy commented this was fortunate, as his diet had just been altered to allow dick. Conan O’Brien immediately threw to commercial following this comment.
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AND A MONTH LATER HE LOST THE TONIGHT SHOW
Makes you think!
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
And this is a major hotel chain
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it's heartwarming that there's a McCoven to love every weird-looking food
Me for basil seed drink, oldjacket for headcheese, jponry for mushy peas.
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Anyone for durian?
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I like durian!
It is pretty bizarre, though.
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Durian is disgusting. Whoever decided that it should be eaten had serious problem.
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think about cheese from an objective standpoint
“Hey, you know what I’m going to do? I’m going to squeeze a cow’s nipples. Then I’m going to take whatever comes out, let it mold and solidify, and then I’m going to slice up the result and enjoy the hell out of it on a slice of bread! Mmm-mmm!”
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There’s a rule of thumb that you have to eat it at least 3 times before you will really enjoy it. I had some really fresh durian in Viet Nam and by the third time I tried it, I loved it.
WHATEVER
All I know is that it smells terrible and looks like a weapon.
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And the texture is similar to mud. so, muddy, smelly, violent. why eat that? I have the same problem with uni.
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I find the texture much more like custard than mud, I must say. I’d compare the taste to onions and garlic.
I’ve only had Uni once, and I liked it then. I’m told it gets really nasty if it’s not super-fresh, though.
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That’s what she said.
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this is probably where having allergies helps!
It doesn’t smell as bad to me as it seems to smell to other people (perhaps because my sinuses are always plugged up).
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Hey, I don’t LOVE mushy peas. I got them in pubs like 4 times.
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Don’t contradict my narrative!
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I also like roasted kidneys, liver, pig intestines, cow tongue, chicken feet, blood sausage and spam.
FU, FO
That would protein you up for the next 3 years!
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 9, 2010 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
That’d be a hellova meal. Who do you serve that to?
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Mr Leopold Bloom ate with relish the inner organs of beasts and fowls. He liked thick giblet soup, nutty gizzards, a stuffed roast heart, liverslices fried with crustcrumbs, fried hencods’ roes. Most of all he liked grilled mutton kidneys which gave to his palate a fine tang of faintly scented urine.
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I guess that would have to be true. Just tastes like exceptionally lamby tasting lamb to me though.
FU, FO
Just quotin’ Ulysses.
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Ulysses is a good song by Franz Ferdinand
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by Gobroks on Feb 9, 2010 11:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Blood sausage is better than you’d think.
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I don’t really think anything. The only thing I know about it that it’s Scottish.
I was promised lasagna.
It basically tastes like pepper, but more tasty.
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Many cultures have variants.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Feb 9, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
I’ve had chicken feet and spam, but only once each. Spam seemed very salty and not very interesting. I didn’t really get the appeal.
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Spam is delicious.
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The trick is to put in fried rice + egg.
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uh, it in
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Or
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It is rice wearing a spam backpack!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 9, 2010 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
MEAT SLAB PLUS RICE
how can you go wrong?
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Just some rice with meat slapped on it!
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I tried chicken feet once
I didn’t hate them, but there’s so little there there. You have to gnaw away, and then it’s basically just skin.
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I'm the same way.
My family always orders chicken feet when we yumcha. I don’t usually eat it because there’s not much to eat.
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weird food I didn’t like: Sea Cucumber, Sea Urchin, lungs ( I have had lamb and chicken, neither are any good), barbecued hatchling birds and drunken (live, anestheticized) shrimp.
Duck brains are just okay.
FU, FO
they’re placed in alcohol until they pass out, then eaten. Lots of Japanese restaurants do it.
FU, FO
Why?
Also, prepare it on Sabbath, and it may be the least kosher food ever invented.
I was promised lasagna.
Supposedly it just tastes freshest that way. All I could taste was the alcohol, though.
Wrap it in bacon, slap some cheese on it, then prepare it on the sabbath
FU, FO
With blood sause.
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“Any Israelite or any alien living among them who eats any blood—I will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people. For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life. Therefore I say to the Israelites, “None of you may eat blood, nor may an alien living among you eat blood.”
I was promised lasagna.
Those Persians and their blood eating…
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-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Of course
It’s impossible to actually not eat any blood when you eat meat. But you’re supposed to do the best you can.
I was promised lasagna.
But that would require some sort of Vampire.
LOGICAL PARADOX!
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I’m not an expert, but I think so. That’s why Jehovah’s Witnesses won’t take blood transfusions, I believe – they think it counts as eating blood, which is forbidden in the Old Testament.
I guess that doesn’t necessarily make it part of kosher law, though.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Hopefully, they never bite their tongue.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 9, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
And some lizard, owl, and bat meat to round it out.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
As long as the cheese is non kosher, and the shrimps are soaked in non kosher wine.
I was promised lasagna.
Bacon Cheeseburgers: offensive to three major world religions.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
on the other hand
Maybe antipathy to bacon cheeseburgers is something that can bring India and Pakistan together. Book it, world peace brass!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Further proof that religions don’t know what they doing.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
AW
Just… Aw!
But I want some.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Sea cucumber takes tons and tons of preparation but basically has no flavor and is mainly there for texture, right? It seems like a bad effort-to-reward ratio.
The food that grosses people out that I like best: jellyfish. mmmm.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
but basically
I’ll try most anything. Except that internal organs squick me out for some illogical reason. I don’t really know why – I’m normally not squeamish about food at all. As evidenced by the fact that I like durian.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Jellyfish is yummy.
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So good.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
also
If you google ‘jellyfish dim sum,’ you get an article entitled, “My Chinese boyfriend made me eat jellyfish.” OMG the perils of miscegenation!!!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
That actually looks pretty good.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
It’s like slightly crunchy noodles.
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Not crunchy in the way crunchy noodles are crunchy, though.
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Yeahf
It’s an interesting texture.
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sadly, not a texture that's in my near future
There are no dim sum places here. Actually, there’s not even good Chinese food here, from what I’m told. The Chinese restaurants here are pretty much all buffets, and I’m told none of them are any good.
There is at least a decent Asian grocery, so it’s easy enough to make good Chinese food.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
nobody ever said
they like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kusaya
Even natto tastes better!
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Feb 9, 2010 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
salted-dried and fermented fish?
I’ve never had that, but it sounds like something I would like.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Natto is pretty delicious!
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 9, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
*blushes*
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This can go to hell.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
(This is a dish called Welsh Rabbit – or sometimes Welsh Rarebit – by the way. For British food, it’s actually pretty good.)
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
You'd like poutine
from Canadia
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
(I actually think it looks good)
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
That’s what it was called! My dad always used to make us Welsh Rarebits.
The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga
Current Team: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Molina, Renteria, Schierholtz
The Kids' CHONE WAR projection= 12.7
Current Team's CHONE WAR projection= 12.6
I’ve only heard it called rarebit… there was a comic called dreams of a rarebit eater or something like that. It was weird.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Feb 9, 2010 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
Also, I had rabbit stew in Tuscany that was unbelievably good.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Feb 9, 2010 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
Dream of the Rarebit Fiend
By Winsor McCay of Little Nemo fame. But it wasn’t quite as great as LIttle Nemo.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
This has been one of the most epic food discussions of All-Time.
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Feb 9, 2010 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
Wow
turns out I was REALLY late on this one.
by BestHyperboleEver on Feb 9, 2010 6:29 PM PST up reply actions
WORST hyperbole EVER
…I think I did that right…
And we plead and we pray for a glimmer of day
As the night folds its wings and descends, exposing the loose ends.
Proud adoptive parent of Sergio Romo. Looking forward to adopting Justin Smoak.
Welsh Rarebit is the correct name
It’s also often called Welsh Rabbit.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I'd like to complain that someone is ranked too high
Also,someone else is ranked too low. And there is someone ranked just right.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
I love surkamp's last name
and ehire adrianza is an awesome name too.
I have now exhausted my knowledge of these players.
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
I know, right?
Ehire Adrianza just sounds like he should become the next Asdrubal Cabrera
Nobody likes money
YES
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
Middle infielder prospects in the Giants system who have long names and whose first names start with E always work out!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Been eatin' too much Baked Lay's
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
then again, you can never have too many baked lays
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
What is going on in the background? Identical fridges!
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 9, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
You don’t do that?
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
BTW
Adrianza is like Bocock?!?!?! Don’t you remember how many teams were clammoring for him?!?! There was a book and everything! We better not let him get away, too. Hopefully Sabean learned his lesson
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
although Grant cruelly left Chris Gloor off his list
I was looking to see if there were any videos on him on Youtube. I only found this interview segment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfO5N8A9sTs
Watching him talk, he kind of reminds me of a muppet.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Definitely muppety
volume off, pretend he’s making little squeaky sounds.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
I thought this one was doing a lot better before there was a mention of cheesecake, then it all went to hell.
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
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I would take full responsibility, but really it’s all ResDog’s fault.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I was just about to blame you, but then stopped because it also could be ResDog’s fault.
You escape this time.
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
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It’s that damn Southern rage of his. All I wanted was some flapjacks & bourbon. You’d think he could relate to that.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
I probably overrate pitchers who show good command in leagues they’re a little young for. In retrospect, Jerome Williams probably wasn’t the bestest prospect who ever prospected, especially since he was always supposed to add velocity but didn’t. But velocity junkies probably underrate pitchers like Bucardo. If the lower end of his ceiling is a sinker/slider/control pitcher with a two-seamer in the high-80s, he’ll still have a good chance to help a major league club. I’ll take the over on that projection, and predict that Bucardo does add a little velocity, for no other reason than I want him to.
I cannot think of a better paragraph to assure a prospect’s failure.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I don’t think Grant’s writing actually has power over these prospects.
I don’t really know what to make of Bucardo, though.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
How dare you insult Grant in that manner!
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I probably meant ensure, didn’t I?
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I like how you back up your statements with links to other articles or comparable players; I kind of feel like I’m reading an academic article (emphasis on the ‘kind of’). Thanks Grant for making me smarter!
You ever wonder if Grant takes the time to craft his post, puts it hoping for some intelligent discourse, comes back after 20 minutes, sees all of this and then cries?
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
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I sometimes wonder if Grant has male pattern baldness.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
to be fair
Our weird, tangential, off-topic discussions are at least usually interesting and informative!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Personally
I tend to find this place nicely balanced between “learn something new every day” and “laugh my ass off”. With a splash of grossness.
"Man, you just can't beat a good bowl of gumbo." ~ William Nuschler Clark
and also
Even with our signal to noise ratio, I bet we still manage to talk a lot more baseball than most SBN sites.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Well
This is a special case.
I’ve written everything I have to write about our prospects in all the community prospect list discussions. I think it’s true for a lot others. So we don’t have much to add.
I was promised lasagna.
Looking for a place to post this. This works.
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
#2 in Fanshots
I talked about how Chris Gloor looks like a muppet and somehow got Erick Threets and Eric Surkamp mixed up in my head. That counts as on-topic, right?
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I figured as much. And, really, it’s February. I can’t expect hardcore baseball discussions 365 days of the year.
Long story short: I don’t mind when things evolve into OT discussions. When the second post in is: “OT: Does anybody else hate short-sleeved shirts,” though, it doesn’t make me feel especially good, but I’m a big boy, and I know I’m the greatest writer of my generation, so I’m not too put out.
OT: Shorts?
They’re comfy and easy to wear.
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Of these, my favorite last name for a baseball player is Adrianza. And so I’m glad he’s ranked higher than the other four.
So ends my in-depth commentary about Giants’ prospects 11-15.
Stoneciper. Sequoyah Trueblood Stonecipher.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
i went to the rodeo a few weeks ago just to try something new
and i saw the appropriate-for-his-sport name ever – Skeeter Kingsolver.
Dodgers fans eat their young.
Honk honk!
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Prince Octopus Dzanie
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
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Aw, PR no longer has Purple Pinstripe Dreams
Now it says, “A Colorado Rockies blog for a team that isn’t just Todd Helton anymore!”
On the plus side, it’s still awkward, too long, and overly wordy.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Maybe they realized the endless fun we were having at their expense? Or, more likely, they realized that purple was associated with – gasp – homosexuality, and that’s clearly the San Fran-Gay-O Giants’ bag, amirite?
Ah, yes, it feels good to be an elitist West Coast snob sometimes.
Even Willie McCovey wishes he could stretch that far.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
MORE LIKE TODD SMELLTON
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For Adrianza lovers (and I count myself on there)
I think what people are forgetting is that he’s only 19 YO competing in a league of 21-23 YO. Of course he looks a bit overmatched at times, the pitchers are more developed than he is, both physically and experientially. People had the same misconceptions about Ishikawa when he was young and moving up the system, down rating his performance in the lower levels when he was competing against much older players and thinking he won’t make the majors. People need to understand younger prospects better.
He was able to keep his strikeouts relatively low, better than average, but not quite good, but again, he’s competing against much older pitchers for the most part. Not bad for his first full-season league, probably the longest he has been away from home, adjusting to a foreign land as well. And, again, just 19 YO last year, 20 YO this year. For a better view of where he could end up as, look at how he did in 2008 in rookie league against players his own age and experience.
I just got my Minor League Baseball Analyst book and they rate him as plus in hitting, speed, and defense. They think that he has the potential to become a solid regular shortstop. Here is some of what they wrote about him: “Athletic SS with plus defense and a strong arm … is best defender in the org. Good understanding of the strike zone, especially for such a young age. Short, compact stroke should lead to moderate power down the road. Plus speed and good OBP% should provide enough offense.”
Adoptive parental unit of Ehire Adrianza.
Godfather of Travis Ishikawa.
"Woo hoo!" - Tim "The Kid" Lincecum
"The objective is that World Series ring" - The Kid
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Feb 9, 2010 5:43 PM PST reply actions
"moderate power"
If so, it sure hasn’t shown itself yet.
There have been shortstops with as little power as Adrianza at the same age and level who’ve gone on to be good major leaguers – Omar Vizquel is the classic example, and Jhonny Peralta works too – but they’re awfully rare.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I don’t know about that. If you go back a generation it’s pretty common. Concepcion had comparable power while being a couple years older. Bowa had even less. I typed in Jack Wilson and came up with a .366 SLG in A ball at age 21. Yunel Escobar put up a .346 in AA at age 23. I suspect I could come up with a bunch of these guys if I spent some time on it, although since I’m already apparently tired of it, I guess we’ll never know.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
.366 and .346 vs. .327, though
Let alone Adrianza’s career mark so far, .313.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Fair enough. Hopefully there’s some room for projection there. I do love his age 16 line in the DCL: .156/.311/.189. Walking his way off the island.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
indeed.
I actually had this conversation, sort of, with Cookyman a while back. In that case it was Adrianza vs. Crawford – the likelihood of Adrianza ever developing any power at all vs. the likelihood of someone with Crawford’s K rate becoming a decent hitter. He hit me with Jhonny Peralta and Vizquel, I responded with Glenallen Hill (who struck out 211 times in 466 AB as a 20 year old In High-A while walking 51 times). It gave me some more faith in Arianza, but I’m still skeptical.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Miller's Crossing is my favorite Coen brothers movie
DISAGREE.
I DARE YOU.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
great
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Feb 9, 2010 7:55 PM PST up reply actions
I never have a class in the morning ;-)
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
Although it's b/c I'm in grad school
And I only go to class once per week per class I have.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
History
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
Cool. What’s the goal, teaching? If so, you need one of those sweet corduroy jackets with the leather pad things on the elbows.
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Teach at a university... hopefully
But I’ll never wear one of those ugly things, sorry.
I’m also working partially on an archival studies track, so if I don’t get into a PhD program I like, maybe I can do archives work for a bit…
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
My mother has tenure and she doesn’t have a mustache!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Nope!
Of course, her department mostly does online classes these days, so maybe the students just IMAGINE she has the jacket and a mustache.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
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Or they draw the mustache onto her like mature college kids?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
I think if I wear my glasses and walk and talk slowly, I'll look the part
Or I could be one of those super energetic profs, but nahhhhh
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
You're still working for the parole board/court/something related to justice?
I want to say you said you majored in sociology, but I’m not sure..
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
/names some TV show probation officer, makes some joke that makes everyone laugh
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
It's a seminar discussion class
So some classes are kind of chill, other classes I have a prof who scares most of us and will sometimes grill us incessantly…
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
Wow, screw that, i mean that’s what happens in some of my courses, the professors here just WANT you to do well, so they really don’t fail you unless you seriously fuck it
That scary prof is ironically the nicest prof outside of class
It’s just in class where he gets super intense.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
Well then in that case i think the best thing to do is see professors outside of class, that’s what really helps out. I went to the bar to watch the niners games, and he’d be there with his steeler jersey on, plus i’d see him at the hockey games, the dude was awesome
Hahaha I just see them during office hours
It’s kind of awkward for me when they’re not in an academic setting.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
And you don't have to take classes in field that you hate!
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
usually
FUCKING CLASS is at night.
TEMPORARY SIG AWAITING FINAL SABEAN APOCALYPSE
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game in development
You’re very conventional.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Feb 10, 2010 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
Switch the "A" with a "P" and that's when I get up too....
/joking
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
Some people love their jobs just like some people come up with the theory of relativity, or get married at the age of 18 and stay in love until death.
I like my job sometimes, but I wish I was doing something else 90% of the time! Maybe indifference is a better word?
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this was me for ten years
so last year i quit my job, moved to NY and started my own company. it was scary and crazy and has been goddamn fantastic.
Dodgers fans eat their young.
Awesome! What are you doing?
I mostly have always liked my work, but I go back and forth on whether I hate routine and the morning wakeups more (which leads me back to freelancing) or the irregular pay (which leads back to taking full-time jobs).
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
i started a bicycle import business with a friend. neither one of us knew much about bikes when we started but have learned a ton and it’s progressing nicely.
we are still young enough to try something crazy and neither of us have a family so i think we have the luxury of being foolish.
i will say i have no regrets and am leading the kind of life i wanted (got in good shape, dating a ton, making my own hours) instead of the nice life i was content with (safe job, safe situation).
i can see myself like you going back in forth in case i want a steady paycheck and i appreciate that it’s an option in life.
Dodgers fans eat their young.
My job is reviewing music. I do enjoy it.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
In that case, being unemployed is a job for me!
…where’s my paycheck?
I had a job interview today, though!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
My Dad actually told me to get a real job
And to stop fucking around on those “machines”.
At the time, I was making about 3 times his salary programming.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 9, 2010 7:38 PM PST up reply actions
I do!
A COMPUTER CAN BE WRONG
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That’s pretty early. Do you start early, or do you have a long drive?
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Feb 9, 2010 8:12 PM PST up reply actions
I dont start class till 3 on Mon/Wed!!!!!
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
its only till 5 and a movie class, now tue-thurs are brutal
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
I know, and I didnt sign up for a single class, I crashed them all and it worked out!!!!!
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
you know what happens when you have a 3 1/2 year old and you're home during the day?
You end up with the “Elmo’s World” song stuck in your head.
WHEEEE fun.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
THIS IS THE SONG, LA LA LA LA
ELMO’S SONG
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
#2 in Fanshots
Just wait a couple of years and you’ll start hearing “Who lives in a pineapple under the sea?” in your head.
"meh"
Adrianza vs Crawford
So far you have yet to list Brandon Crawford and have Ehire Adrianza at #11. SImple math (add the 7 and carrying the 1) would then have the Professor in your Top 10 and rated a better prospect than Adrianza.
Do you have Crawford rated 10? Why do you rated Crawford higher than Adrianza? Adrianza is rated better defensively, has a better arm and is 2.5 years younger. The jury is still out on both prospects hitting ability.
This season should be a good determinant in the evaluation of the younger SS as he works his way to the hitter friendly Cal League.
First, who’s better defensively seems to be a matter of some debate.
Also, while the Cal League is hitter-friendly, that’s less relevant for us as SJ Municipal Stadium isn’t.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I had it reversed for a long time, but Crawford’s….wait a sec, you aren’t getting this out of me now. Do you think J.J. Abrams posts Lost spoilers on the ABC forums? Sheesh.
So what you’re saying is, we finally figure out why the Dharma Initiative was experimenting on polar bears in the next thread?
Having never seen Lost
You….just made that up, right!?
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I figured not
But, well, in a vacuum it sounds like a weird joke.
Speaking of tv shows I haven’t seen, though, we watched the first episode of The Wire tonight. It’s not really my genre usually, but it was definitely quite good. I’m looking forward to seeing more.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I know this is ass-backwards, and I knew about it before we watched the episode last night – but it is weird to see Michael Scott’s boss as a crime kingpin.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Yes, for me it was odd seeing a crime kingpin at Dunder-Mifflin.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Feb 10, 2010 8:10 AM PST up reply actions
Also, have you ever heard him interviewed? He actually has an English accent.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Yes, that was odd. For House, it was weird hearing Bertie Wooster do an American accent.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Feb 10, 2010 8:27 AM PST up reply actions
I’m going through the third season of The Wire right now. Part of it is that I’m probably making it up in my head, but both Idris Elba and especially Dominic West seem to lose their fake American accents a lot.
by non sequitur on Feb 10, 2010 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
I noticed it with West a lot, but never Elba.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
With Elba it’s one line in particular I’m fixating one, where he yells at Bodie for having precipitated that gunfight in which a bystanding kid got killed. Stringer observes that the cops will have to crack down, and so the dealers will have to lay low “FOR A LONG, FUCKING TIME”.
West seems to me to be barely trying at times, though the bit with him faking a bad British accent was funny.
by non sequitur on Feb 10, 2010 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
clarification...
“West seems to be barely trying at times” = at effecting an American accent that is, not in playing the McNulty character overall, which I think he does fine.
by non sequitur on Feb 10, 2010 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
I didn’t realize he was supposed to have an American accent. He never sounded not-Irish to me.
FU, FO
neither of their accents bothered me
I found Elba kind of hard to understand, more from the mumbling than the accent. As previously suggested, subtitles can be your friend if you find it hard to follow.
If you haven’t gotten to the episodes with Snoop yet, you’ve got some real puzzlers coming your way. Except she’s actually from Balmurr, so that accent’s the real, incomprehensible thing.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Feb 12, 2010 7:02 AM PST up reply actions
I can think of about 50
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Feb 10, 2010 8:19 AM PST up reply actions
MUST I TYPE IN ALL-CAPS AGAIN? ONLY BASEBALL-RELATED DISCUSSION AND LOST IS AWESOME AND YOU MUST LOVE IT.
/rules of McC
That’s it, i’m leaving this site forever, screw this, i’ll take my CSI, and The Office and leave… plus my fondness for spongebob and movies
It’s gotta be a bigass pineapple.
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What season did they finally explain the polar bear? I stopped watching after season 2.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
They were doing all sorts of research. They never explicitly explained it, but they don’t really need to anymore.
I thought maybe it just wandered in thru the out door when the big frozen donkey wheel was moving. Oh no, but that leads to the middle of the desert. Hm… time for a new theory.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
I just saw the Mets are about to sign Mike Jacobs
whee.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
of course...
Jacobs and Bengie Molina had about the same OPS+ last year, but Jacobs is 6+ years younger and got a minor league contract, whereas we’re paying Bengie $4.5 million.
/sobs
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
well
Mike Jacobs – bad first baseman
Bengie Molina – catcher
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
there is that
Is that enough to justify the salary difference? I dunno. In the end, they’re both stupid, I guess.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
OT:
LOL.
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner
by walkoff baltimore chop on Feb 9, 2010 10:43 PM PST reply actions
hahahahahahha what the hell?! Took me awhile to catch what you’re talking about
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
Ahahah, yeah, it’s a pretty small pic, but I probably should’ve mentioned that they’re using one of Howie’s or something.
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner
by walkoff baltimore chop on Feb 9, 2010 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
I click on all the random pages my friend become a fan of, and that happened to be one of them.
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner
by walkoff baltimore chop on Feb 9, 2010 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
Friends. Plural, not singular.
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner
by walkoff baltimore chop on Feb 9, 2010 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
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I’m suggesting this to Howie on facebook.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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LOL: Snow
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Feb 10, 2010 8:18 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
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