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This guy couldn't find a job.

(Players since 1954 ranked by 400 min. PA's and OPS+ in their last season played. #106 total match the criteria.)

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I know it’s spam, but I wanted to hear what McC’s opinion on this way. I never really thought one way or another about collusion and Bonds, but man, not many guys go out at that level of performance. Without injury or desire to retire, you’d have to think that someone with a 169 OPS+ in his last season could find work the next year.

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by xanthan on Feb 8, 2010 2:36 PM PST reply actions  

I’m pretty convinced he was colluded out at this point.

by Missing Barry on Feb 8, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t see any way it was anything other than collusion.

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by jponry on Feb 8, 2010 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Every time I think about it

I get mad.

So I’m not gonna think about it.

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by thehavenot on Feb 8, 2010 4:15 PM PST up reply actions  

This to infinity.

I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.

by esseffgeez on Feb 8, 2010 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

This squared

"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball

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by scout6 on Feb 8, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

+Every single one of Giambi, BRod, McGwire, Sosa, Big Floppy, and Bannys’ jonrons.

by srpwrd on Feb 8, 2010 8:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Just expressing my agreement with getting mad when I think about the BB situation.

by srpwrd on Feb 8, 2010 8:25 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

Chick's dig the long ball.

by The Montana Giant on Feb 8, 2010 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Woah

You have a website?

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by thehavenot on Feb 8, 2010 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I am almost entirely convinced that he was colluded out of baseball. To imagine that some shitty team like the Royals or Rays, who could have used the publicity quite a bit, wouldn’t give him a DH job at league minimum is simply insane. Not even a minor league contract with an ST invite? Come on. In fact, if the Rays had given him their DH job, that might have won them the Series in 2008, as well as helped their record out; the primary DHs they used were Jonny Gomes, Rocco Baldelli, and Cliff Floyd, who combined for -0.3 WAR (though Gomes and his horrible OF defense contributed to that). Anyone who believes that the best hitter in baseball, who was still putting up OPS’s above 1.000, couldn’t get a job with any of the thirty major league teams due to some combination of media disapproval and ???? is probably some sort of bacterium.

by quincy0191 on Feb 8, 2010 2:49 PM PST reply actions  

I really doubt Bonds would have gone for a minor-with-invite type of contract. I bet he gave his agent specific instructions to scoff loudly at anyone offering him less than a starting role.

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by EliminateMe on Feb 8, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought it was publicly stated that he’d play for the minimum…or was that just something that was suggested he do?

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by heimy25 on Feb 8, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

His agent did say that. However, I believe it was widely considered to be a bunch of hooey that he was just saying to try to prove a point.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Feb 8, 2010 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

As I recall Borris made that statement in mid-season which is further cause for skepticism.

There’s also this:

“He has nothing to prove there,” Bonds’ agent, Jeff Borris, said Wednesday. “He doesn’t need to go to an independent team and hit two home runs a night hoping to get attention to prove that he still has the skills that would warrant him playing at the major league level. His performance in 2007 demonstrates that he’s capable of playing at the major league level for the 2008 season.”

That’s the kind of statement that makes me think Bonds would have had no interest in a MLWSTI deal.

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by EliminateMe on Feb 8, 2010 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I dunno; if he wanted to play that badly, then maybe he would have gone for it. Though I do think that’s a pretty disrespectful offer to the reigning home run champ. I think that if he was offered a league-minimum job at the end of the 2007 offseason he would have taken it when he realized he didn’t have any other options. He made a point of saying he wasn’t retired at one of the Giants games.

by quincy0191 on Feb 8, 2010 6:06 PM PST up reply actions  

But what would be the point of a ST invitation? No one doubted that he can still hit.

I was promised lasagna.

by Cookyman on Feb 9, 2010 4:27 AM PST up reply actions  

There is uncertainty about this?

I have always known that BB was colluded out of baseball. It is obvious. There is no reason why someone wouldn’t have wanted him, and there is no real reason for why we let him go. It sucks, and I feel bad for him because he was within a short distance from some other milestones, but he was made the scapegoat for the entire MLBs’ problems, and is therefore exiled from play because of it.

by srpwrd on Feb 8, 2010 2:55 PM PST reply actions  

Will Clark?
Will Clark!

by chilibean_3 on Feb 8, 2010 3:37 PM PST reply actions  

Will Clark! I liked the article.

You might want to call the graph “Final Season”, though. Until I went over to BCB I was trying to figure out how Bonds OPS+’d 170 in 2009.

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by fwoty oz on Feb 8, 2010 3:54 PM PST reply actions  

Fixed the graph title to clarify.

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by xanthan on Feb 8, 2010 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

So, are we going to ignore the Federal Grand Jury indictment then?

Utter frustration and futility.

by Johnny Disaster on Feb 8, 2010 3:54 PM PST reply actions  

Yes, There Was Zero Chance Of A Trial In 2008.

Being charged is not the same as being found guilty.

by giantsrainman on Feb 8, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

and yet being under indictment might make a prospective employer leery.

Utter frustration and futility.

by Johnny Disaster on Feb 8, 2010 4:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Still, it’s a pretty good excuse…

Utter frustration and futility.

by Johnny Disaster on Feb 8, 2010 5:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I think if he went to trial there’s a good chance the team that signed him could have voided his contract. Or they could include a clause that lets them void it in the event the trial happened and he was therefore unable to play. There are ways around that, but no one was willing to explore them because they were told not to sign him.

by quincy0191 on Feb 8, 2010 6:07 PM PST up reply actions  

You need to update your depth chart.

F5 Xanthan!

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by scout6 on Feb 8, 2010 5:13 PM PST reply actions  

I’ll get to it after ST starts!

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by xanthan on Feb 8, 2010 5:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Ahem,
The depth chart will be updated periodically to reflect any roster changes that have taken place.

"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball

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by scout6 on Feb 8, 2010 5:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I just got owned.

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by xanthan on Feb 8, 2010 5:38 PM PST up reply actions  

No need to update the first row.

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by esseffgeez on Feb 8, 2010 8:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I want to see Bonds and Clark in the same lineup again.

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by Natto on Feb 8, 2010 5:43 PM PST reply actions  

I always loved this card.

1993 season

Bonds: .336/.458/.677 (204 OPS+)
Clark: .283/.367/.432 (117 OPS+)
Williams: .294/.325/.561 (136 OPS+)

Williams was also +10 runs with the glove in ’93. Bonds was +9 runs. Clark was slightly below average at -6.8 runs. The ’93 team still bums me out, what a great team to not make the postseason.

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by xanthan on Feb 8, 2010 5:49 PM PST up reply actions  

That Giants team was one of the reasons baseball realigned the divisions. Had the 1994 format been used in 1993, the Giants win the West by 22 games over LA.

"meh"

by SFGuy on Feb 8, 2010 7:16 PM PST up reply actions  

My favorite trio

since I wasn’t around to appreciate Clark and Williams…

2000
Bonds .306 .440 .688 (188 OPS+)
Kent .334 .424 .596 (162 OPS+)
Burks .344 .419 .606 (163 OPS+)

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by esseffgeez on Feb 8, 2010 8:32 PM PST up reply actions  

This is a dangerous path to start heading down

Pretty soon we’re going to be talking about Saloman Torres (Dave Burba), The Rockies, Bobby Jones, Rally Monkeys, Willy McCovey line drives, etc. etc. etc.

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by thehavenot on Feb 8, 2010 8:41 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s really not a great year for Clark.

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by Cookyman on Feb 9, 2010 4:29 AM PST up reply actions  

I know. But he’s my favorite Giant and it was cool to see him in the same lineup with Bonds and Williams.

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by xanthan on Feb 9, 2010 5:14 AM PST up reply actions  

And that line would still be second or so best on today’s Giants. FWIW.

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by iammclovin on Feb 9, 2010 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Wait, that just gave me a great, completely original idea. Let’s sign Bonds!

by Missing Barry on Feb 9, 2010 7:22 AM PST up reply actions  

I’ll allow it.

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by xanthan on Feb 9, 2010 7:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have a fanpost to go write…

by Missing Barry on Feb 9, 2010 7:55 AM PST up reply actions  

IMO. Was obviously collusion

I eagerly await the day that Bonds sues the greedy MLB ownership and management that threw him under the bus for their sins.

Quit making the theiving Wall Street Fat-Cat Bankers even richer.
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by cybermaldonado on Feb 9, 2010 2:53 PM PST reply actions  

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