Top 30 Prospects, Part II: 21-25
by Grant Brisbee on Feb 5, 2010 11:42 AM PST
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25. Craig Clark - LHP
If this system were Esteves-thin, Clark would be a more visible prospect. He’s had excellent walk rates, and his strikeout rates are a little above average. In a thin system, Clark would also have been promoted aggressively. When he pitched well in Salem-Kaizer right out of college, he probably should have started the next season in San Jose. If he did well in San Jose, he probably should have been moved up to AA, with a chance at a midseason promotion to AAA.
As is, one of the biggest marks against Clark is that he was older than a lot of his peers in the California League, which isn’t entirely fair to him. Another mark is that he shows definite platoon splits: righties hit him much better than lefties, which means his future is probably in the bullpen. That’s not a terrible thing, though. Clark throws a little harder than you might think -- he’s more of a high-80s/touching-90 guy than a Rueterian soft tosser, and a permanent move to the bullpen could add a little more to his fastball.
It’s not a bad idea to keep him as a starter while he’s still successful. But if the Giants are contending this season, and if either Jeremy Affeldt or Dan Runzler are hurt or ineffective, it wouldn’t be craziness to see Clark start a LOOGY career early.
24. Jason Stoffel - RHP
Guys like Stoffel need an acronym. Uh, let’s see, how about "First Rounder Once; Dropped Off?" Then we can say things like, "Yeah, Brian Wilson was a FRODO because he needed Tommy John surgery, but I’m glad the Giants took a chance on him."
No? Fine. But you don’t have to be so rude about it. You get the point, at least. Stoffel was once considered a Huston Street/Chad Cordero type -- a college closer that a team would take in the first round and put on the major league roster after 25 minor league innings. He struggled a little bit in his last season at the University of Arizona, though, and he dropped to the fourth round. He looked like mighty nice in his short introduction to pro ball. He’s on the list mostly because he’s a FRODO.
23. Waldis Joaquin - RHP
Ah, the anti-Clark. Right-handed, throws a bazillion miles per hour, and doesn’t have especially impressive K/BB ratios. When deciding between two prospects like Joaquin and Clark, always go with the bazillion miles guy. Joaquin is the kind of pitcher who moves the grip on his slider over an eighth of an inch and makes $4M in arbitration four years later. That sort of dramatic improvement isn’t likely, mind you, but every season a couple of bazillion-miles-per-hour pitchers in professional baseball make a small adjustment and become late-inning forces in the majors.
Until then, Joaquin really doesn’t strike out a lot of guys, and his control is wonky. He’s just as likely to be off the list entirely next year as he is a late-inning regular.
22. Matt Graham - RHP
Hey, a FRODO! He hasn’t thrown a pitch in professional baseball yet, but watch the video that’s linked up there. The first pitch of the video explains why he was considered a possible first-rounder, why the Giants gave up a little extra scratch to keep him from going to North Carolina, and why he’s already one of the Giants better right-handed pitching prospects. Big dude. Throws hard with movement when his delivery is right. Okay, I’m sold after a single pitch.
The reason he slipped out of the first round, though, is that he wasn’t always throwing that hard. He’s raw even by high school pitcher standards. Graham will be given every chance to develop into a dominant starter, and that’s why he’s above a guy like Joaquin, who has a much, much, much better chance of being on a baseball card. Joaquin is a package of Hostess Cupcakes. Graham is a bunch of gourmet cake ingredients and a cookbook in the hands of a dude who has never stepped into a kitchen. I can cross my fingers and wait.
21. Jose Casilla - RHP
Throws hard. Successful at a young age in a short-season league. Sounds nice, but why would he rank over players who have already cracked the major league roster?
Crazy sink. There isn’t a lot of performance data to go on, but his career 68.8% groundball rate is very nice. Every organization has a bunch of live-armed youngsters trying to learn how to pitch; guys with a sinker like Casilla’s aren’t nearly as common. He’s the second-highest reliever on the list, and I’m scared I’m ranking him way too low.
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FRODO!!!
I hope that catches on….
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
FRODO doesn’t make sense. Frodo was trying to get rid of a ring. These guys are all trying to get rings. Your literary reference is problematic.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
Considering how much marital infidelity goes on on the road for ballplayers, maybe they ARE trying to get rid of a ring.
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However, Frodo was also working for a dumpy old man who really had no idea what the fuck was going on, and took a break every 45 minutes or so for a meal. Not unlike our front office.
Petey and Fresh always dunking on Spartans,
Biscuits in baskets from Heatley and Thornton,
Bam-Bam and Gore on the way to some rings,
These are a few of my favorite things.
FUCK WORK LETS LEMBAS BREAD
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...-----RIP, MY SON
Gollum and Bruce Bochy have a certain resemblance, too.
Pablo = Gimli
Posey = Legolas
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Yeah, but I’m pretty sure that you have to make them all Acronyms in order to fit the model.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 5, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
Great Infielder, Lovable Offense.
Lofty Expectations, Great Offense, Likely All Star
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dammit, I fucked up GIMLI
Great Infielder, Momentous, Lovable Offense
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that's still GIMLO.
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Rowand = Boromir
Seemed like he would add to the group’s dynamic but his usefulness is cut short early in the story.
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
That actually spells SLHWATTGDBHUICSETS
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 5, 2010 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/09: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
by Useful_Idiot on Feb 5, 2010 5:19 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Wow.
Just. wow.
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner
by walkoff baltimore chop on Feb 5, 2010 5:53 PM PST up reply actions
Made that in class several months ago after Sabes’ fellowship comment
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/09: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
by Useful_Idiot on Feb 5, 2010 11:36 PM PST up reply actions
Yourliterarymovie reference is problematic.
Fixed that for you.
by Grant Brisbee on Feb 5, 2010 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
That’s actually what I wrote at first, and then I thought, “wait a minute…..”
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 5, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
Crazy sink.
Scott Munter.
/finds more parties to poop on.
Disfrute Los Gigantes every day at www.leftymalo.com
Waldis will never be heard from again following this season.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 5, 2010 11:53 AM PST reply actions
Lars will never be heard from again following this comment.
(Yes, I’m with the Russian mob.)
Petey and Fresh always dunking on Spartans,
Biscuits in baskets from Heatley and Thornton,
Bam-Bam and Gore on the way to some rings,
These are a few of my favorite things.
Ha!
Here I am being heard from again following that previous comment!
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 5, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
There he is getting ready to throw his 904th consecutive fastball.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 5, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
Wait, we ranked Stoffel over Graham in the community list? I guess I can see it, but I need someone explain that clearly to me.
FU, FO
Also: one awesome urinal.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 5, 2010 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
That’s what I thought it was at first. Then I scrollled down a bit more to see it just emptied on to the ground. A quick WTF? then OH!
No, it clearly empties into a hole in the ground. It’s totally a urinal.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 5, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
It toughens up your toes.
Cos’, you know, it’s hard to pee on your feet until you’re around fifty.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Feb 5, 2010 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
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http://www.baycityball.com/2009/10/11/young-arms/
Some PFX numbers on Waldis. Waldis throws a crazy fast 2-seamer that was pounded into the dirt (SSS) last season. He’s never shown a HUGE tendency for groundballs in the minors, but everything about his 2-seamer (speed, break) looks like it should net him more groundballs. I think he’s interesting-ish.
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Until then, Joaquin really doesn’t strike out a lot of guys, and his control is wonky. He’s just as likely to be off the list entirely next year as he is a late-inning regular.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
Why, a pitcher in the Giants organization with wonky control? I cannot imagine such a thing!
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WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 5, 2010 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=3209355
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Posey Info
From Baggs
Bruce Bochy says B. Posey will work at other positions this spring but still seen as a catcher long term. B. Molina will start fewer games.
From Schulman
Bochy says Posey to AAA is “not etched in stone,” and Posey might play some infield in spring training.
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
NOT READY TO CATCH MAJOR LEAGUE PITCHING!!
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 5, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
HE'S GOING TO LEARN BY PLAYING CENTERFIELD
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 5, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
Don't put him in coach
he’s not ready to play, today.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Feb 5, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
VERSATILITY
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
I think its Sabes & Bork's theory
I completely disagree with it though
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I'll have to express my disgust in acronym.
LOTR:TROTK!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 5, 2010 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
hypothetical
If Renteria goes down, would you be OK with Posey playing SS or 2b?
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
nO.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 5, 2010 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
Huh.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 5, 2010 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
OGC
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/quietly puzzles over this….
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 5, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
Gross.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 5, 2010 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
/Albert Belle takes out Posey to break up double play
by Grant Brisbee on Feb 5, 2010 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
Posey does look young enough to be a trick-or-treater.
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I just thought of something that's probably a generational divide among fans
Whether or not “Joey Belle” means anything.
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Nope.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 5, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
Look familiar?
Changing his name to Albert was his way to grow up and control his anger management issues.
Um, yeah.
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/flips off crowd
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
He should have
called himself Drew.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Feb 5, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
It made me think of Joey from Blossom.
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
Whoa.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 5, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
If Renteria goes down, he’ll still play.
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2B yes, SS no. He was specifically moved off SS when he was in college because he and his manager agreed that he didn’t have the lateral quickness to play short at the major league level. Really though if he were going to play infield 3B seems like the obvious choice. He has a cannon for an arm, and there’s less possibility of injury at third.
with Panda and Huff though, 3b seems unlikely. Thanks for the SS info though
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
I don’t think Huff can play third anymore. He can barely play first.
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Yeah, I meant Huff is at 1b where he probably has to be, so Panda has to be at 3rd.
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
Huff could conceivably stink so bad the first couple months that he just gets buried on the bench or even cut. It wouldn’t be the least bit surprising.
More than likely. He looked like crap in Detroit last season. About a half a notch better than Aurillia. He just looked horrible. I assume his stats aren’t very good either
by E Ticket on Feb 5, 2010 6:17 PM PST up reply actions
Then he'll have time for his true passion
Fingerpainting!
Gaze into those beady Pierzynskiesque eyes…
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Si
and quite possibly after my next consultation with the Giants and Posey’s agent the team might rightfully agree
Keep advising Wil
Soon the world come to realize what we’ve been saying is true.
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As the night folds its wings and descends, exposing the loose ends.
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I actually wouldn’t have had a big problem with this if they hadn’t signed Uribe. I think it would be fine to use Posey at 2B and 3B to get him some at bats while also giving him a few turns at catcher. If he turns out to be as good of a hitter as we expect, his being able to play an infield position will pay off in his being able to be in the lineup more often, say catching 100 games, playing 2B/3B 40 games.
But with Uribe there, whose roster spot does he take if they don’t send him to Fresno?
I’d encourage Posey learning another position so he didn’t have to catch 150 games a season. Not right now, though. He needs to catch every day until Bochy trusts him to do magic catcher things.
by Grant Brisbee on Feb 5, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
Well if they didn’t have Uribe he could be the backup catcher and catch one day in five and play some third base or something two or three more days a week, keeping his bat fresh. Then after two or three months when they realized he was just fine behind the plate, he’d be the regular guy.
In the current situation, though, there’s no place for him to play, so he should go to Fresno and catch.
Endlessly go on about how the guy needs more experience catching and then go out of the way to make sure he gets as little of that as possible.
by Seasick fish on Feb 5, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
Ten years from now, fangraphs will do a blog post asking why B. Posey was moved off of C in favor of playing RF or 2B
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by Speedforthewin on Feb 5, 2010 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
So he’s not going to learn to catch major league pitching in the majors or in spring training. Got it.
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I hate this team.
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner
by walkoff baltimore chop on Feb 5, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
“This is garbage! GARBAGE!”
McSabey you're losing me
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Feb 6, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
More fun
Bochy: Renteria might bat second until Freddy Sanchez is ready. Also, Bumgarner goes to camp as the fifth starter.
Bruce Bochy says RF “no question” will be the Giants’ biggest battle of the spring. Candidates are Schierholtz, Bowker, Velez.
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
VROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
VROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
HEY BRIAN DID YOU KNOW THAT WE DON’T HAVE A LEADOFF HITTER SO WAIT NEVERMIND I’LL JUST START VELEZ BECAUSE HE’S FAST
by Grant Brisbee on Feb 5, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
Breakdown of the 3 candidates
Schierholtz: Good defensively, which seems to be the priority for “Moneyball” teams
Bowker: Good power hitter which seems to be the most useful for the Giants
Velez: Fast, but can’t utilize his speed but he was good for that week last year.
Also
Bruce Bochy says RF "no question" will be the Giants’ biggest battle of the spring. Candidates are Schierholtz, Bowker, Velez.
LOL FRED
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yeah. So, the team is going to be without it’s #2 hitter to start the season, and there is a fast OF who accrues a high OBP that would fit for the team. Instead, we’re getting Velez
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by Speedforthewin on Feb 5, 2010 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
I was at the season ticket holder town hall last night and I think Velez said he could steal 60 bases, so I guess even he thinks he will be playing a lot. Also, Bochy’s head is still very large.
It was a good event, though, and will be televised on CSN in the next few weeks, so keep an eye out for it.
Well, so far he’s stolen 30 bases in a full season’s worth of PA, so that totally makes sense!
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He could pinch run in 110 games
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He wouldn't necessarily PR for Big $
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
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No way the Giants make it to 1B 110 times.
Except for Panda. But you don’t take him out.
I was promised lasagna.
Bochy might
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It’s cute that he thinks he’s good at stealing bases.
Anyone know if any of Bowker, Schierholtz, or Velez has an option left? That’s probably going to be relevant in terms of who ends up making the roster.
Schierholtz definitely doesn’t. I think Bowker has one more. Not sure about Eugenio.
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IDK about Velez either
but if he was DFA’d would anyone claim him?
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I think someone would.
Also, trying to google whether or not he had options lead me to this stupid Bleacher Report article about how he’s a different player now because he was good for a week: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/229243-does-eugenio-velez-have-a-career-with-giants-it-isnt-impossible
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I can't think of anyone who would want him on their team
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
But they now have Juan Pierre
but he does love to trade his prospects.
Beckham for Velez!
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
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he prolly could
if he stole 2nd and 3rd every time he got on base.
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ATTN: defenders of the DeRosa and Huff signings who said they were okay because they pushed Velez out of the lineup.
I told you so.
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aw, geez, I missed that.
I read it as saying Renteria might PLAY second with Sanchez out.
Fuck me. :(
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nope. I’ve gotten used to MIDDLE INFIELDERS MUST BAT SECOND facet of Bochy and MLB managers in general.
Personally, I feel like Renteria might be able to bounce back a bit at the plate, and he’s one of the few Giants who can take a damn pitch.
FU, FO
best k/bb ratio on the team last year
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Meh
He’s not really much worse than any of the other candidates, if you believe as they obviously do (or are pretending to believe) that he’ll bounce back. I’d probably choose Derosa, but they think they want his “power” further down in the order.
Hopefully Rent-a-wreck either bounces back to at least his 2008 level or is quickly benched. (I don’t think either is that likely, unfortunately.)
Yeah, I’d go with DeRosa, but I kinda figured this would happen. VETERAN GRIT!
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by Speedforthewin on Feb 5, 2010 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
THIS JUST IN: BIG HEAD DOES NOT CORRESPOND TO HIGH INTELLIGENCE.
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
Some folks call it a sling blade, I call it a Kaiser blade.
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I actually wouldn't hate that move
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When the Mets and the Giants are interested in the same player, watch out.
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Headline!
Reyes reinjures quad. Sanchez suffers another setback. Mets-Giants in bidding war for David Eckstein. Rumor that Minaya offering Loretta $10 million to come out of retirement
by E Ticket on Feb 6, 2010 5:33 PM PST up reply actions
Giants and Mets in bidding war for Lou Gehrig. Giants reportedly are offering 6 year, $75 million deal.
"meh"
lemme guess, the same members of the Giants medical staff that did the health evaluation of F.Sanchez did the one on Gehrig…
Red Sox team doc suggested that Ruth smoke more, drink more, sleep less, eat more, exercise less, stay out later, and get to the post game spread earlier. Of course this was after he was traded to the Yankees.
by E Ticket on Feb 6, 2010 6:20 PM PST up reply actions
loud and clear
ramirez, kim, persuit of wellemeyer…. madbum is NOT starting the year in the bigs.
no, you're right...
i’m betting my last dollar that it won’t be madbum though…
Wellemeyer, maybe.
But the other guys are just organizational depth. Every time makes those kinds of signings every year. Last year we brought in Ramon Ortiz – but that didn’t mean Sanchez didn’t start the season in the rotation.
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It’s like a Mötley Crüe song for nerds.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
Vince: Hey Tommy, check that out man!
Tommy: Where Vince?! Where? Oh…
Tommy: /whistles
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Tommy: / “sexy” whistle
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
one of the most shocking things of the 21st Century
is not a new Mötley Crüe album (which was as inevitable as a Velez pickoff) …but it’s the fact that one of the songs on it “Saints of Los Angeles” is actually kinda good for a cheesy metal song.
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I just learned that Jose Casilla is Santiago Casilla’s brother.
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Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
Why does the lace on my left shoe always come untied while the lace on my right shoe never does? Is it because I’m overpronating?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
Howie has shoe splits. Platoon shoe wearer at best. He should switch to sandals.
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
Nevermind. I’m getting rid of this comment.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 5, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t know why I felt compelled to post that at the time.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 5, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
I’d like everyone to know that howthescored just tried to hide this post. I’m unhiding it and removing his mod powers for this abuse.
by Grant Brisbee on Feb 5, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions 9 recs
OMG! LOL! PWND BY OVERLORD!
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
You can’t just drop a bomb like that and then sweep it under the rug. The toothpaste is out of the tube; Howie’s shoes are fucked, and we all know about it.
by Grant Brisbee on Feb 5, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
Grant is modding the mods. But who’s modding the mod modders?
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
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I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 5, 2010 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
Do you have a validation, boyo?
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN???!!!
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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I don’t feel like it.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 5, 2010 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
Jerk. I was just helping to reduce the noise ratio in this thread by hiding a useless comment!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 5, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
This whole site is a noise ratio. It’s not like I help, either.
by Grant Brisbee on Feb 5, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
THE MODS AT MCCOVEY CHRONICLES ARE HELPLESS TO STOP THE ONSLAUGHT OF OUT-OF-CONTROL USERS AND THEIR DIRTY WORDS!!!!
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CRUMBS!
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
RATS!
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Feb 5, 2010 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
Good point. I’ll go get to work cleaning up all the signal that’s cluttering up this noise.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 5, 2010 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
we're not the only offenders
I was just looking at the post on the Giants Facebook fan page. There’s an item about tickets being on sale. The comments are a debate about the virtues or lack thereof of Abba.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
We really should have more Abba references here too.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
NEVER!
Though, both bands spell their names in all caps, i think.
RUSH > ABBA
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
That is the opposite of correct.
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
All fans of ABBA should just go here and leave that fluffy haired swedish pop nonsense off of this board.
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But I thought the ability to edit or delete posts benefits nobody??? Or does it only benefit mods? Oh, I see.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
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I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 5, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
LOL.
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner
by walkoff baltimore chop on Feb 5, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
oy
Torrealba to the Padres for $1.25 million. Wasn’t one of the defenses of the Molina contract the claim that one year of Bengie would be better than two years of Yorvit?
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Is this a joke? Torrealba only had 31 RBI last year, but Molina had 80. What is wrong with you?
by Grant Brisbee on Feb 5, 2010 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
He had 95 (!!!) the year before
I don’t remember how..
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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Shit-A
Love the pitching prospects. The pee luge is a little OTT but I appreciate the design, aesthetics, etc.. I can see it in Barry Zito’s guest bathroom.
My reaction to the Bochy quotes:
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
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by Speedforthewin on Feb 5, 2010 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
MORE FROM BAGGS RE POSEY which doesn't seem so bad
Buster Posey isn’t "etched in stone" to begin the season at Triple-A Fresno, Giants Manager Bruce Bochy said. In fact, Bochy dropped a minor bombshell: He and GM Brian Sabean have talked about giving Posey a look at other infield positions, including shortstop, to increase the options available for the rookie and the club. Bochy also said Bengie Molina was "overplayed" last year and his starts will be curtailed. So basically, the thought here is that Posey could learn on the job from Molina and start two games a week while bringing more offense than Eli Whiteside. Long term, Bochy said the organization still sees Posey as a catcher. But he’d be available for double-switches, etc., if he can play a few other positions.
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
I really, really, really don’t want to be burning Posey’s service clock as a backup.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I would be ok with it if he gets in the lineup regularly but I just don’t think he would.
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
This was the point I made above. If they hadn’t signed Uribe, there’d be some ABs available for this backup C/utility INF role. But they did sign Uribe, so this whole thing makes little sense to me.
Using a rookie who hasn’t played infield in several years as the team’s top utility infielder would be pretty daffy, even for the Giants.
Bowker had never played 1B in his career when he was made starting 1B in the majors.
I was promised lasagna.
There’s a difference between making an outfielder into a catcher and making a catcher into a utility infielder, though.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
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I assume you mean 1B, and that’s true. It just generally seems to me that when the Giants are excited about a bat, they pretty much ignore positional value and/or experience and just put him wherever they have room. But I don’t have any examples outside of Bowker and Sandoval.
I was promised lasagna.
Yeah, brain fart. Oops.
Actually, Eugenio is an example of this too, I think. At various points they’ve decided he was a second baseman, center fielder, and left fielder. Hell, at one point there was talk of him filling in for Vizquel at short.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
To be fair, they may have just been flailing around trying to find somewhere he could play without scaring the bejeezus out of everybody.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Feb 5, 2010 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
There have been times when I’ve been really worried about him seriously hurting himself out there. I mean, I know people like to complain about how Fred Lewis looks bad in the outfield – but damn.
I would say Velez looks worse in the field than anyone I’ve ever seen, but then, in the 90s, I once saw a third baseman for the Mets drop three routine foul pop-ups in one inning.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I actually thought Velez looked fine in LF this past season. Anywhere else, though, especially second base, it was comedy hour.
I thought he looked terrible
But is still an above average LF. It’s close to impossible to be that fast and not be better than most left fielders.
At 2B, on the other hand, I think looks terrible, and really is terrible.
I was promised lasagna.
I was at a Lincecum start where he dove to catch a line drive to LF and made a spectacular play to hang onto the ball. If he hadn’t dove, he would’ve easily caught the ball.
He’s not a very good defender, period.
That other diving catch he made near the line was one of the best I’ve evre seen, though.
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The one in Milwaukee?
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then they also do weird-ass shit
Like talking about teaching Ishikawa to play the outfield.
So maybe they’re just weird and like to throw shit against the wall and see what sticks.
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Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Wattle and daub player development?
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Feb 5, 2010 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
He goes in the Velez bin for me. I guess I divide them into two groups in my mind – there were players the Giants knew weren’t good enough to start, and had them learn a bunch of positions so they can get more playing time/become utility players: Velez in 2008, Ishikawa, Rohlinger, Frandsen; and then there were ones where they just went “screw this – you’re awesome. Where can stick you?”: Sandoval, Bowker, Velez in 2009, the whole Posey to LF/3B/2B/1B thing (though that was mostly fans and writers).
I’m pulling this out of your ass, obviously.
I was promised lasagna.
Yeah, though with him it was kind of the opposite – trying to increase his value by turning him into a super utility guy. I believe Chone Figgins was the name being thrown around. Heh.
I was promised lasagna.
True. But last year, when he was good for a week, there was a lot of talk about how he have to find him somewhere to play.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
