Top 30 Prospects, Part I: 26-30
by Grant Brisbee on Feb 4, 2010 12:59 PM PST
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By unpopular demand, the first installment of McCovey Chronicles’ Top 30 Prospects for 2010*:
30. Ryan Cavan - SS
It’s a little tradition of mine to reserve the last spot of the list for a stats-only type of prospect. Last year was the 29-year-old Felix Romero, a reliever with a gaudy K/BB in AA the previous season. That didn’t make me look quite as clever as I had hoped. But the tradition continues onward. And when I finally hit on one of these #30 prospects in 2023, I’ll never let you forget it.
Cavan is a shortstop with 200 at-bats that showed an ability to hit for high isolated power and high isolated on-base percentage – that is, his slugging percentage and on-base percentage are much higher than you would expect from a guy who hit .277. It shows a measure of extra-base power and patience, and from a middle infielder, that would be incredibly nice to have.
The caveats: it’s only 200 short-season at-bats, and I haven’t been able to get a defensive report on him. He might play shortstop like Pedro Feliz plays catcher. But Cavan is a local guy – he went to Menlo before attended UCSB – so he’ll be an easy guy to root for as he moves up the organization.
The new sabermetric orthodoxy: defense is a very big deal. Defense has a library that smells of rich mahogany, and it has many leather-bound books. If you trust the FanGraphs metrics from last year, light-hitting Nyjer Morgan was more valuable than Ryan Howard, Ryan Braun, and Alex Rodriguez. That’s hard to believe, but it isn’t hard to fathom the idea that a hit saved in the top half of an inning is just as valuable as a hit earned in the bottom half. So when looking at superlative defender in center who hits .276/.328/.386, maybe it makes sense to consider him as valuable as an average defender who hits .300/.350/.450. Note: all numbers pulled from nether regions.
And by all accounts, McBryde is an unbelievable defender. His range is supposed to be top-shelf, and he even has a cannon for a right arm. The best part is that he improved his offensive numbers while moving up a level and hitting in a pitcher’s park.
He’ll be 25 when he starts AAA this year, so he’s not the kind of prospect that you make room for. But if he has a good season in Fresno, he’ll be a nice fit as a fourth outfielder somewhere.
It’s hard to get too excited about a 21-year-old reliever who put up a 4.61 ERA in rookie ball while walking 26 in only 54 innings. But people love his arm.
27. Brock Bond - 2B
He’s on over Ryan Rohlinger only because of Bond’s willingness to take a walk. If Rohlinger can really handle short in a pinch – and if Bond’s defense at second is only adequate – maybe I’m overrating the OBP factor. And maybe I’m underrating Bond’s complete lack of power – two home runs in two minor league seasons is pretty hard to do. But I’m a sucker for a high on-base percentage, and Bond has a career .419 mark, including a .429 spot in Connecticut last season.
By law, I’m required to leave this link right here.
Dingerz. Plenty of them. But he makes Glenallen Hill look like a slap-hitting, light-swinging walk machine. Dominguez is already 23, and his defense at third is questionable, so he’ll need to make more contact to go along with those dingerz. He was a little unlucky with his BABIP in Salem, so we might not have a clear read on him yet, but a 57/9 K/BB ratio in 181 at-bats is as ugly of a line as you’ll see. With great power comes great responsibility. If Dominguez doesn’t figure out how to work the count, he’ll just be another Rob Stratton.
* Translated by our sister site, МцЦовей Чроницлес, as "List for Future Accolades and Stretching of Offseason Idea Writings to be Past Conclusion of Logical Enjoyment"
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LOL.
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner
by walkoff baltimore chop on Feb 4, 2010 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
Well… that’s later… class at 3:20 tomorrow, so what do you think? Party tonight? all my friends are goin out, so i’d say yes?
Going out Thursday nights should always be a must, ESPECIALLY if you don’t have class till 3:20 tomorrow
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
Going out Thursday nights should always be a must.
So NOT true.
My career path, have you seen it?
by say hey nation on Feb 4, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
Uh. You are wrong sir. Give me a compelling reason why with an example, in 3 words or less
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
I could provide you with my transcripts as proof, but let’s not go there :-)
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you have friday classes?
ive avoided friday classes
01.19.2010
r.i.p. buster posey I really thought you had a shot
Its hard to avoid Friday classes in some schools. My school used the following schedulling system:
A class was wither MWF for 50 minutes or Tuesday/Thursday for 80 minutes. My first school was did MW or Tuesday/Thursday for 80 minutes which was awesome.
My career path, have you seen it?
by say hey nation on Feb 5, 2010 6:22 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, my classes were pretty much the same as that first one. I suppose I could have loaded up on T/Th and Monday or Wednesday evening classes, but I would rather just have 2-3 hours of class in the morning/early afternoon every day than do that.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Plantains, polenta, sweet potatoes, black beans, kale, pumpkin seeds, spicy sauce.
Possibly the best microwave frozen meal ever.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...-----RIP, MY SON
Doh, the link didn’t work.
http://www.kashi.com/products/kashi_frozen_entrees_mayan_harvest_bake
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...-----RIP, MY SON
wow that looks frickin’ amazing
Hey Fred Lewis, remember Mother's Day?
by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Feb 4, 2010 7:10 PM PST up reply actions
Fine Takashi food.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Feb 4, 2010 7:11 PM PST up reply actions
Pork Tacos!
Made enough taco stuff on moday to eat tacos for lunch and dinner every day since. Few more days to go. And I feel like this is a good thing.
I’m a big believer in this way of eating. Sometimes quality overrides variety.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...-----RIP, MY SON
I do this all of the time. This strategy has been much more sucessful now that all of the nvsfg jrs have moved out.
I love the diversity here. RR posts about a delicious sounding vegan lunch and chilibean posts about making a crapload of tacos.
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I don’t eat a lunch because I’m too busy slaving over these posts for your benefit.
by Grant Brisbee on Feb 4, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
Can you make a non baseball post, so that we can post only about baseball in the comments section?
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
LL does an OT thread in the fanposts section
So they can keep all the randomness centered in one place and baseball focused discussion in baseball topics. It might become a necessity for here too.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
YOU HAVE 5 SECONDS TO COMPLY!!!
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 4, 2010 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
Who are you?
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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Yes.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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Whenever I hit “connect” on Colloquy it disconnects me after a split second, even though I entered my nick password under info. If I click join room nothing happens at all.
I don’t even know if this is the problem… but it’s something we can try, till I think of something better!
go to file – new connections- in the chat server box type in swiftco.wa.us.dal.net
Mr. Merope also suggests checking your firewall settings.
Nope
Didn’t work. I might try switching to goSFG24 as my nickname and just not registering it. Maybe they locked me out because of not typing my password fast enough or something.
necessity
It has been a necessity for a long time on this site, which is mistaken by many posters for the McFacebook Chronic LOLs. If we all stuck to baseball on this site, the McCC would lose a lot of socioanthropological interest, true, but the improvement would be well worth the loss.
And don’t think we don’t appreciate it…without your slaving, we would never know what people had for lunch.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
really? you can’t even have headphones on? in my opinion one would do better with a little bit of music… but wow
Nice, i mean, that’s pretty much the basis of one of my classes now, we don’t have exams, but we’re expected to work together and come up with solutions and ideas concerning work motivation
Alternative Governments Class ?
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soup
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Feb 4, 2010 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
I am at work and have my ipod plugged into my computer speakers.
We listen to music a lot here. On Tuesday we had a guy play some of the Hank Williams’ recovered radio show.
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
#2 in Fanshots
I was at Sports Authority yesterday and noticed they carried this stuff called “Perky Jerky”, the first caffeinated Beef Jerky. Might be good to have a stash in your computer bag. I believe it was guarana flavored.
"Man, you just can't beat a good bowl of gumbo." ~ William Nuschler Clark
I believe it was guarana flavored.
Does guarana have a flavor ?
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Heh guano. That’s poop.
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
Vintage Poop !
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imagines grant chained to a computer chair chanting, one more post, then lunch…one more post then lunch!
Hey Fred Lewis, remember Mother's Day?
by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Feb 4, 2010 7:11 PM PST up reply actions
Brock Lee.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
Rock Lee
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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Tommy Lee
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
Lee Marvin
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Bernard Gilkey
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
Melk Weg
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
Dudley Do Right
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
Right Said Fred
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LOL FRED
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
#2 in Fanshots
Lol Creme
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Feb 4, 2010 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
Grilled Cheese Bacon Burger from Carl’s Jr.
It was everything I hoped it would be.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
This portion of this countdown is the part where we care very little.
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
#2 in Fanshots
That gets my electrons firing!
Or some other sciency sounding thing.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
Haha, sorry
He said sister site. Really, this is say hey’s fault, with an assist from Grant.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
I coulda been somebody!
I was really hoping that one of the links in the Concepcion text was going to be to my AZL scouting report.
Not sure what to do about my screen name at this point...
For his first couple months it seemed like Dominguez was showing up every day in Minor Lines with a homer or two, but he’s really in the wrong system if he wants to level out that K/BB ratio. Or maybe the brass will see it as a plus, and fast track him to the bigs, so he’s in the perfect system?
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/09: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Brock Bond turning into Craig Counsell would be pretty flipping awesome.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...-----RIP, MY SON
Oh, I see what you mean. If Brock Bond is a poor defender at 2nd, then the Counsell comparisons are not apt.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...-----RIP, MY SON
I thought of putting that disclaimer in, but I figured y’all were smart enough to know what I was getting at.
by Grant Brisbee on Feb 4, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
/waits for Lars……..
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what’s bad is that i actually say these things to my friends and they think it’s funny, like when you say “i’m not saying, i’m just saying”
It’s about as useless as “no offense”. “No offense, but you’re ugly”. “I’m not saying you’re ugly, I’m just saying…”
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/09: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
you get that a lot?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Feb 4, 2010 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
Hey, Mods! That “Grant” troll is back. I think someone needs to swing the banhammer.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...-----RIP, MY SON
/warned
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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THEHAVENOT IS NOT SAYING!
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Feb 4, 2010 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
No...
but I am.
Nice dress!
Don't give him the game ball Dusty, you'll jinx it...
by The Neuschler on Feb 5, 2010 6:22 AM PST up reply actions
Yup. Counsell was originally a SS — Bond might not even play 2B defense well enough to stay there. Counsell’s career UZR and TZ numbers at multiple positions are off the charts.
#1 FanShot Champion
Wow
Kinda looks as if he was somewhat shafted by the era in which he played. With the newfound focus on defense (and statistical analysis thereof) Counsell would probably be kind of a hot commodity if he were 29 right now.
It’s curious that he mostly didn’t play SS, since he appears to have been good there and his rather punchless bat would have played better at a tougher defensive position.
Whoa whoa whoa. We’re feeling sorry for Craig Counsell now? Let’s not get TOO crazy here. Dude’s record has two World Series rings, an NLCS MVP, Dodger service time, and the most irritating batting stance of all time. Our pity he needs not.
McSabey you're losing me
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Feb 4, 2010 5:31 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh I don’t feel sorry for him, just saying he’d be more highly regarded (and better paid) if he played about ten years later. And yes, I think there’s gotta be an extra circle of hell for guys with ridiculous batting stances. Counsell, Mickey Tettleton, and Scott Rowand can all hang out together.
From Mickey Tettleton's Wiki page
He was also distinguished by the huge wad of chewing tobacco he kept in his cheek during games, as well as his claim that Froot Loops were the source of his hitting power
Ok, nothing too strange so far…
and kept monkey/rabbit balls in his back pocket for good luck.
/record scratches to a halt
McSabey you're losing me
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Feb 4, 2010 5:50 PM PST up reply actions
“You want monkey balls? I can get you monkey balls, believe me. There are ways, Dude. You don’t wanna know about it, believe me. Hell, I can get you monkey balls by 3 o’clock this afternoon… with braided hair. These fucking amateurs!”
-Pedro Cerrano
McSabey you're losing me
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Feb 4, 2010 5:59 PM PST up reply actions
The real question is whether these minor leaguers are following the new prime directive from the Giants Brasz
The Giants’ baseball bosses also quietly instituted two new policies that won’t help their hitters one iota: 1) don’t overwork, and 2) pull the ball more. Neither is an especially good idea.
We can only hope!
How else could we continue the almost overwhelming success our minor league hitting prospects have enjoyed in the majors?
Remember that one time Eugenio Velez went on like a 14-game hitting streak? That was awesome.
FEAR THE NEW MADRID FAULT, PiKA!!
It might topple over your beer kegs!
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 4, 2010 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
I'm about 40 miles from the New Madrid Fault
Please speak in soft tones, and don’t make any sudden moves that might jar my computer screen, thus setting off The Great New Madrid Earthquake of ’10.
And we plead and we pray for a glimmer of day
As the night folds its wings and descends, exposing the loose ends.
Proud adoptive parent of Sergio Romo. Looking forward to adopting Justin Smoak.
Come on do what you did, roll me over New Madrid
Shake my baby and please bring her back.
‘Cause death won’t even be still, caroms over the landfill
Buries us all in its broken back.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
Lyrics
I had to Google that. Uncle Tupelo? What a name. Classic. I’ve never heard the song before, thanks. Interesting lyrics.
And we plead and we pray for a glimmer of day
As the night folds its wings and descends, exposing the loose ends.
Proud adoptive parent of Sergio Romo. Looking forward to adopting Justin Smoak.
I can’t argue with any of this, despite my irrational dislike of Chris Dominguez.
I don’t even know how that happened, by the way, because I was excited to see his name in the Minor Lines in Aug/Sep/etc
But now I HATE HIM
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
DAMN YOU CHRIS DOMINGUEZ!!!
/shakes fist
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 4, 2010 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
He was astonishingly bad in Salem Keizer. Only 180 ABs so I guess there’s still hope, but it doesn’t look good.
If you go to the minorleaguesplits.com page for him and normalize for luck, it looks a little better.
by Grant Brisbee on Feb 4, 2010 5:41 PM PST up reply actions
Somewhere
In a parallel universe, McBryde was drafted by an organization that teaches plate discipline at an early stage, and became Franklin Gutierrez.
I was promised lasagna.
FraGu ROCKS!
McSabey you're losing me
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Feb 4, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
OT
should I really spend $1200 for a big tv (Samsung UN40B7000)?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
I have a Samsung 52" LCD. It rocks.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
how big is the space?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Feb 4, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions
I have a 50" Panasonic plasma (6 months old). It, too, rocks.
And we plead and we pray for a glimmer of day
As the night folds its wings and descends, exposing the loose ends.
Proud adoptive parent of Sergio Romo. Looking forward to adopting Justin Smoak.
I was in Costco this weekend and it seemed like everyone was picking up one of the Panasonic plasmas. It was almost like an impluse buy. I guess the big oblong football game had something to do with it.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
my panasonic plasma i bought two years ago died within the first 6 months and again a year after that. both times the plasma panel had to be replaced. I am not a fan.
I ended up going with insignia about 8 months ago. I’m digging it so far.
I have a 55" Samsung LCD 120 hz, and it does rock. I really wanted the Samsung 55" LED, just way to much cash. The 1.2" width of the LED’s makes me drool with the coolness factor.
The LED’s are very nice, but since they are side-light instead of back-light like the LCD, they kind of wash out at the edges, and I did not see a discernable difference between the 55" LED (UN55B7100) @ $2500 and the LCD (LN55B640) @ $1599
Check the reviews from as many places (web sites) as possible before buying.
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Those LED’s are nice, I’ll wait out the affordability.
by microwave donut on Feb 4, 2010 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, I’m zeroed in on the LED; I want to hang in on the wall with an articulating arm, and I’m into the energy efficiency aspect, as well. The neat thing about the 7000 series is that it can browse a server and play whatever you’ve got stored away. I’ve been collecting movies for a long time now, so my library is Panda-sized; I won’t have to burn them to disc anymore.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Feb 4, 2010 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
An articulating arm?
Oh, OK.
I had it confused with Italians, who talk with gesticulating hands.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Feb 4, 2010 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
that’s where the idea came from, Beerstein
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Feb 4, 2010 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
Speaking of waving money around....
for sports, this is the LED TV that you want. Zito might be able to afford this, but I can’t. I guess Timmy will be able to afford one as well.
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hey, you actually save money when you buy that rig
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Feb 4, 2010 7:47 PM PST up reply actions
It's f*ucking bad ass TV...
but really, that is just too much money to spend on an appliance that has a life span of about five years. It used to be that you bought really nice TV and it lasted for fifteen or twenty years. Now you have to drop about $2k on a decent TV that will be obsolete in three years.
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agreed. I’d be perfectly happy with my 20 year old 27" Hitachi, but it’s been acting squirrely for a few months now.
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Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Feb 4, 2010 9:06 PM PST up reply actions
STOP WAVING YOUR MONEY IN MY FACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Depends on if you need a perfect picture or if you can live with less quality.
My career path, have you seen it?
by say hey nation on Feb 4, 2010 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
if I was a-wavin’, this dog would be bought by now
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Feb 4, 2010 5:57 PM PST up reply actions
My living room isn’t very big, so my new 42" Sony LCD is working quite nicely, thank you. WHEN WILL BASEBALL START??!!?
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Feb 4, 2010 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, that’s what I’m thinking, not too big. I actually like to be able to get away from the thing without having to leave my own home when I’m not watching.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Feb 4, 2010 7:48 PM PST up reply actions
Different people have different priorities, but I used this guide when I was shopping for mine. I had been considering getting a 32" or 40" at the largest and I was a bit taken aback to see that the 40" would be considered just barely large enough for my room (I sit about 10 feet away). So I ended up buying a 46". It looks a bit big in the room, I’ll admit, but when I’m actually watching it, it’s the perfect size. It’s big enough to be fully involving when watching a movie or a game, but not so big that you have to scan side to side.
your probably right. I’m hoping to move in the next month or two, buying a fixer upper if the selling bank ever acts on my offer, so I’m not too keen on moving a fancy new tv into a construction zone. maybe prices will drop a bit after the stupor bowl.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Feb 4, 2010 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
As much as it doesn’t matter, I’m still amazed that we ranked Pill over Bond in the community list.
FU, FO
I didn’t get that either, but apparently there’s some kind of Pill fan club willing to overlook the fact that he’s a mediocre hitter at the easiest defensive position. OTOH, at least Pill can play defense. If you think of Bond as a first baseman or even a corner outfielder, the comparison seems a lot closer.
I’ve never heard of any of these guys except Bond, because I think he went to college in my hometown of Columbia, MO. Plus, his name is similar to that of a very good Giants player. This other player’s name was like “Bond” but not exactly. And, he was very good.
I had to hit backspace every single time I typed Bond. And I just did it again.
by Grant Brisbee on Feb 4, 2010 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
That’s a little OT, can you try to discuss the topic of the thread please.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
I actually had a turkey cranberry sandwich from Specialtys. Remove the syphilis-causing mayonnaise and add the cream cheese, please.
by Grant Brisbee on Feb 4, 2010 4:51 PM PST up reply actions
mmmm...syphilis...
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Feb 4, 2010 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
But what kind of cookie?
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Feb 4, 2010 5:22 PM PST up reply actions
Would have been semi-sweet if I had the scratch to throw away on a $2 cookie.
by Grant Brisbee on Feb 4, 2010 5:24 PM PST up reply actions
Warm Specialty’s cookies are like heroin made out of flour, butter and sugar. And chocolate chips, preferably.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Feb 4, 2010 5:27 PM PST up reply actions
White chocolate chip macadamia nut cookies are like crack to me.
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well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
/boring day is boring
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Feb 4, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
no
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Feb 4, 2010 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
the blackout thing, though, is for LOSERS
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Feb 4, 2010 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
I've blacked out.
The last one was wonderful.
No, really.
Everything about the whole escapade makes me smile in remembrance, basically because it all happened for a really good reason – and ended up perfectly.
And when you take into consideration that it involved sliding sideways down a freeway while unconscious – well, I sound rather lunatic, don’t I?
Not at all.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Feb 4, 2010 6:19 PM PST up reply actions
don’t ever defend yerself in court
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Feb 4, 2010 7:05 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, no. Not a problem.
Just waxing a little “born again”, like I do.
(I’m not.)
(But, honestly, I should be dead.)
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Feb 4, 2010 7:10 PM PST up reply actions
ahh, frankenstein…it’s all coming together
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Feb 4, 2010 7:45 PM PST up reply actions
awesome
i have poker night on thursdays, with a few adult beverages. we call it thirsty thursday.
We have a lot of dogs at work.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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do you work for Xerox?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Feb 4, 2010 4:24 PM PST up reply actions
He might play shortstop like Pedro Feliz plays catcher.
You mean, better than Bengie Molina does? I’m confused…
Hector Sanchez: Underrated. Fighting body bias since the 2009 off season. I still love you, son, even if you're fat.
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I think what I like most about this picture is how alone he looks. No batter, no ump, nothin’. It adds to the surreality of the scene.
McSabey you're losing me
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Feb 4, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
we are all catchers
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Feb 4, 2010 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
/not sure i like the implication
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Feb 4, 2010 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
How about the articulation?
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Feb 4, 2010 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
WE ARE ALL ARTICULATION
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Feb 4, 2010 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
I never noticed that. It’s like a window into his dreamworld.
by Grant Brisbee on Feb 4, 2010 4:51 PM PST up reply actions
Ryan Cavan's stats look awesome.
Hopefully there’s more where that came from.
And hopefully he doesn’t have a brick for a glove.
But Cavan is a local guy – he went to Menlo
Which means he is a douche bag. Menlo School kids are the snoodiest kids in the world. 35 K a year for high school. no thanks.
Euro Players Rock! Go Warriors!
http://www.goldpanners.com/Scrapbook/c/cavan-ryan_09.html
Nickname is “Cavo”…Lists professional baseball player, professional surfer, and accountant as his career aspirations…Roots for the San Francisco Giants…Would be played by Kevin Costner in a Hollywood movie of his life…Lists Chipper Jones, Derek Jeter, Reggie Bush, Elliot Strankman, and Cal Ripken Jr. as his favorite athletes…Favorite movie is “Gladiator”…Favorite author is Ernest Hemingway…Has siblings named Brandon and Kelly…Parents are David and Karen Cavan.
He’s cool. Except for the Costner thing. Oh, and the Chipper Jones thing. But he makes some of that up by naming Hemingway instead of, like, Dan Brown.
by Grant Brisbee on Feb 4, 2010 5:32 PM PST up reply actions
Career aspirations
Professional baseball player, professional surfer, and… accountant?
If you dig around that site for a while, you find a link to old 8mm film of Tom Seaver pitching for the Alaska Goldpanners. That’s pretty cool.
by Grant Brisbee on Feb 4, 2010 5:35 PM PST up reply actions
Whoa. And an airplane crashing at a Goldpanners game.
I want season tickets.
by Grant Brisbee on Feb 4, 2010 5:37 PM PST up reply actions
/pads comments so sponsors will kick down money for the 2011 prospect list
by Grant Brisbee on Feb 4, 2010 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
Holy crap.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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That reminds me of a card I have somewhere packed away at my parents' house.
McSabey you're losing me
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Feb 4, 2010 5:42 PM PST up reply actions
One of my older brothers has always claimed to have played a high school game against Seaver. But we sure never played against any Fresno schools in my memory, so I’ve never been quite sure if I believed him.
(Though a different brother definitely played against both Rance Mulliniks and Kevin Costner).
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
I came across this earlier today. I most certainly was not expecting to come across two references to Rance Mulliniks when I started my day.
McSabey you're losing me
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Feb 4, 2010 5:54 PM PST up reply actions
where there’s a Rance, there’s a Mulliniks
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Feb 4, 2010 6:00 PM PST up reply actions
pffff
no one reads Hemingway for fun. And I fault him more for Derek Jeter than Chipper Jones
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
What’s wrong with Costner?
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
/closet Costner fan here.
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/spends $200M on bloated apocalypse nonsense
by Grant Brisbee on Feb 4, 2010 11:33 PM PST up reply actions
I liked Waterworld. There, I said it.
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
I got your back
TEMPORARY SIG AWAITING FINAL SABEAN APOCALYPSE
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game in development
Dances with Wolves
JFK
Wyatt Earp (never realized that was done before Waterworld & the Postman)
Tin Cup
Open Range
Mr Brooks
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
A Perfect World
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Feb 5, 2010 8:32 AM PST up reply actions
Costner movies that I own...
Silverado
No Way Out
Bull Durham
Field Of Dreams
Dances With Wolves
For Love Of the Game
Open Range
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DREAMY EYES
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
#2 in Fanshots
Just finished my top 50 list
Overall, I’m higher on Dominguez and lower on Cavan. McBryde, Concepcion and Bond are in about the same place.
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
That and upside
and I also kinda love Batting Practice All Stars. All though I will concede that he needs to go crazy this year. Basically next year he’ll either be in the top 10 or about as close to the list as Charlie Culberson
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
OT
Giants Hot Stove League show on KNBR on now with Bengie Molina as guest with Dave Flemming (taped yesterday).
"meh"
Riiiiight
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In what universe?
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner
by walkoff baltimore chop on Feb 4, 2010 7:47 PM PST up reply actions
I really wanted that to say that Bengie Molina was the guest host for the whole show. That would have been awesome
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
OT
So, I bought Giants tickets today since they opened it up to Visa owners. Final total? exactly $109
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Sat, Apr 24 Cardinals game
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yeah
what exactly is 109? like PT109?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Feb 4, 2010 10:10 PM PST up reply actions
Baggs: JESUS IS STAYING
Apparently, no one wanted him. I posted a fanshot; he cleared waivers.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
OT
If anybody wants the ticket prices, check here:
http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb.com/sf/ticketing/dynamic_pricing.jsp
"meh"
I just saw that Hudson is signing with the Twins
One-year deal. For less than Sanchez is making per year.
/sobs
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
oh geez
I thought that Sanchez was at least younger than Hudson. He’s not. Well, he is – by nine days.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
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Tree Stump
Beats Sabean at tic-tac-toe 9 out of 10 times
by E Ticket on Feb 5, 2010 8:12 AM PST up reply actions
/fractures wrist
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Feb 5, 2010 7:06 AM PST up reply actions
/sprains knee
My career path, have you seen it?
by say hey nation on Feb 5, 2010 8:41 AM PST up reply actions
my son was watching SpongeBob Squarepants yesterday
There was a fish who claimed to have been born with glass bones and paper skin. I’m pretty sure he was voiced by Freddy Sanchez.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Did the fish have moles?
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 5, 2010 8:48 AM PST up reply actions
He was too covered in bandages to see.
Also, I’m pretty sure I have more moles than Freddy Sanchez. LOL PALE WHITE BOY.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
and by “my son” you mean “I”.
My career path, have you seen it?
by say hey nation on Feb 5, 2010 8:52 AM PST up reply actions
True story: My roommate in college would watch Wonderpets, Spongebob Square Pants and some other kid show.
My room mate was 25, when I graduated college.
My career path, have you seen it?
by say hey nation on Feb 5, 2010 8:53 AM PST up reply actions
My son loves both of those shows!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Given the choice, I would go with Sesame Street, myself. Which my son also loves, actually.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Sesame Street (the original one) was an excellent show to watch while stoned.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 5, 2010 8:59 AM PST up reply actions
Spongebob is a quality show.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Feb 5, 2010 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
I watch Spongebob.
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speaking of second basemen
Adam Kennedy to the Nationals. Mike Fox will be so disappointed.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
BUT HE WAS ASKING FOR NINE MILLION!!!!! WHAT DID YOU EXPECT SABES TO DO????
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Maybe if O - dog had phrased it in broken Spanish...
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Feb 5, 2010 8:42 AM PST up reply actions
I wish we could erase this offseason and just sign Johnny Damon and O-Dog or Felipe Lopez, and keep Garko.
LF-Damon
2B-Hudson/Lopez
3B-Sandoval
1B-Garkokawa
CF-Rowand
RF-Bowker
C-Posey
SS-Renteria
Cheap!
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...-----RIP, MY SON
Damon = DeRosa
Hudson/Lopez > Sanchez
Garkokawa = Huff
Posey > Molina
Yeah, I see what you mean.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
actually, CHONE seems to think I'm being generous towards Huff here
Their predition: Huff 0.6 WAR, Garko 1.0 WAR, Ishikawa 0.9 WAR.
LOL us.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Totally. Garko by himself is better than Huff, and if you protect him against some righties and take him out of the game in the 7th inning, it probably won’t be much of a comparison.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...-----RIP, MY SON
I really hate Huff
But, amazingly, if you go by the projections, I’m actually optimistic about him in thinking that he’ll return to his largely useless but not historically bad 2006-2007 form of around 1 WAR.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I’d say Damon is quite a bit better than DeRosa. The defensive difference between them is probably overstated by UZR.
I guess it depends on whether you think DeRosa can return to his 2008 performance level and whether you think Damon’s defense has really declined THAT much.
For me, the answers are no and yes.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Also, DeRosa's career has been interesting
He made the Majors for the first time at 23, but didn’t get significant playing time until he was 26 and wasn’t a regular until he was 31. Then he peaked at age 33.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I just can’t believe that a guy who’s still pretty fast, as Damon is, is one of the very worst outfielders in the game, no matter how weak his arm is.
Fred Lewis!
McSabey you're losing me
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Feb 5, 2010 8:30 AM PST up reply actions
/clank
McSabey you're losing me
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Feb 5, 2010 8:30 AM PST up reply actions
I’m actually not against starting Posey in the minors. I just didnt feel like writing Molina into that lineup.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...-----RIP, MY SON
I totally forgot about bringing my Z game.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...-----RIP, MY SON
Gregg Zaun is a player the Giants would never, ever sign, I think. He’s old, but low BA, high OBP just ain’t Sabean’s style.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
True. They did go after Nick Johnson, though, who seems like the least Sabeanish player on earth.
Having a decent left-handed catcher really appeals to me — that way you can keep Posey in the minors for a couple of months, then have a solid time-sharing arrangement once he gets promoted.
Yeah, that’s true. I was surprised by their interest in Johnson. And then they ran into the waiting arms of Aubrey Huff, who’s about as un-Nick Johnson-ish as you can get, so who knows what was going on there.
It’s been a while since the Giants have had a left-handed hitting catcher – or am I forgetting someone? They had a bunch in the 90s – Damon Berryhill, Tom Lampkin, Rick Wilkins, Terry Kennedy, Jeff Reed – but I can’t think of any more recently. Well, Pablo, I guess, but he didn’t stick as a catcher for very long.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
oh wait
There was that one guy we got in a great trade for a middle reliever and a couple of minor league scrubs, huh?
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
It’s funny, because I usually forget he was a Giant at all.
Actually, though, Terry Kennedy was the first to come to mine, but I wasn’t sure if he lasted into the 90s so I had to look him up first.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I wonder what the story with him was, by the way
He was with us in 1997. He didn’t play in the majors at all in 1996, and only played 34 games in 1995 (with a 46 OPS+). Did he have a long-term injury? Spend time in Japan? Washed out of baseball entirely and we took a flyer on him a la Keiichi Yabu?
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I hang my head in shame.
I do remember what happened with Mel Hall for the three years he was out of the Majors before we signed him in 1996 for no apparent reason, though!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
He was also the #4 overall draft pick in 1984
Following Calvin Jones, Garry Cark, and Tommy Hinzo. Bumper crop.
Oh, wait, this was the January draft. I forget what the deal was with that.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
bless wikipedia
Originally, three separate drafts were held each year. The June draft, which was by far the largest, involved new high school graduates, as well as college seniors who had just finished their seasons. A second draft was held in January for high school and college players who graduated in the winter. Finally, there was a draft in August for players who participated in amateur summer leagues.13 The August draft was eliminated after only two years, while the January draft lasted until 1986.14
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Interesting
I’m sure it’s happened, but off the top of my head I can’t remember any other catchers getting Tommy John.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Brent Mayne, though that’s still the tail-end of the 90’s.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...-----RIP, MY SON
Right, right, I meant to list him.
Mayne in 2003 is a good example of why you shouldn’t get too excited about players suddenly being great in April. His line for March/April 2003: .317 / .371 / .556, 4 HR. He ended the season .245 / .307 / .344 with 6 HR and was out of baseball after 2004.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
It really bugs me that Sabean signed Sanchez so early. This was such a terrible off-season to do that – there were just sooo many 2B options this year. First off all, there are these six:
Kelly Johnson
Placido Polanco
Orlando Hudson
Felipe Lopez
Adam Kennedy
Ronnie Belliard
Basically all of them are about good as Sanchez or better. Age-wise, Belliard and Polanco are 4 years older than Sanchez, Johnson is 4 years younger, the rest are in between. Non of them have Sanchez’s injury problems. And they all got less money than Sanchez, except for Polanco, who who got the same per year, but a year more.
And there were others – DeRosa, who we ended up signing, Scutaro, who got a similar contract to Sanchez, maybe even Figgins, though obviously that would be expensive. Hell, we could trade for Fontenot, who’s lost his starting job, or maybe even try to get Hardy.
There were so, so many options. It’s not that all of these would have been better signings (though I think most of them would have been – and the best thing would probably have been to just sign one of the cheap ones, and spend the rest on a starting pitcher) – it’s just that there was absolutely no risk in not signing Sanchez. There was no chance we’d end up without an OK 2B, no reason to be scared to try the market – and therefore no reason to sign Sanchez early.
No reason, that is, except for Sabean being afraid to admit a mistake.
I was promised lasagna.
by Cookyman on Feb 5, 2010 8:36 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I basically agree, but I don’t think Kennedy is as good as Sanchez. Of course, if Sanchez keeps being broken…
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
He generally hasn’t been as good as Sanchez (though he was last year), but going forward I’m not sure. Kennedy used to be a good player, and seemed to have a bounce back season last year.
I was promised lasagna.
I don’t have a lot of faith in Kennedy, but I will say that the difference between his contract (1 year, $1.5 million I believe) and Sanchez’s makes it likely that Kennedy will be the better signing.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
CHONEs
Kennedy: .313 wOBA, -4 fielding
Sanchez: .318wOBA, -4 fielding
Seems a little harsh on Sanchez’s fielding — which has tended to be above average — but their bats are close.
#1 FanShot Champion
Ouch.
I’m pretty worried about Sanchez’s fielding, I have to say. That’s where most of his value comes from and shoulder injuries can really screw up your defense.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
also, damn you people
I keep thinking I’m really pessimistic about guys like Huff and Sanchez. And then I see the CHONE projections and they make me look like Bill James on quaaludes. Um, or something.
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oh, and don't forget Akinori Iwamura
He’s cheaper than Sanchez, younger than Sanchez, as good as Sanchez (at least), and the Pirates got him for a middle reliever.
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Coming off a pretty serious injury, no? Still, I would have loved Aki on the Giants.
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Torn ACL, but it only required arthroscopic surgery. .250 / .310 / .355 in 84 PA after he returned, which isn’t great, but it’s still better than what Sanchez did with us.
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He had the crap knocked out of him at 2B. You can watch it here.
I’m really sick of the lack of rules regarding slides. It’s one thing when the fielder is in the way, but what’s the rational for allowing runners to intentionally change their path and slide into fielders who aren’t in their way? What’s the baseball logic behind it? It’s dangerous, and I don’t think it adds anything to the game. In the replay you can see the runner basically just smashing Iwamura’s leg as hard as he can, without even coming close to touching the bag. That’s not baseball.
The “that’s how it’s always been done” argument doesn’t even stand, because these kind of plays have caused umpires to ignore one of the most basic rules of baseball (MI’s don’t always have to step on the base now).
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I’m just referencing the “lack of rules” part of Cookyman’s post.
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I did forget him. I’m a bit scared of the BABIP – is he one of those swing-and-run types? Otherwise it’s not clear to me how he’s kept it so high.
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Lower average, better OB, NOOOOOOOOO Pop at all.
Not sure how the knee injury will affect his D. ACL’s are always serious with a long rehab. Trust me, I did it.
He’s only one year younger than Sanchez.
Like that he’s a LHB however.
He doesn’t hit for power, no. But then, neither does Sanchez, really. Sanchez’s career SLG is only 24 points higher than Iwamura’s, and Sanchez’s SLG was down to .371 in 2008. Lower than that with us, but of course that’s small sample size.
I agree about defense – but that’s also a concern with Sanchez, with his myriad of injuries, especially the shoulder issue. That can really hurt defense.
Anyway, the argument isn’t that Iwamura is the perfect player – it’s that he’s as good as Sanchez and cheaper, both in terms of salary and in terms of what it cost to acquire him.
I was thinking Iwamura was two years younger, but he was born in February and Sanchez in January, so it’s closer to a year, yes.
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They acquired Sanchez primarily to make a run last year. That didn’t work out. But, they made a big deal about his being “under control” so, they pretty much had to sign him.
I think you can make the case that Hudson (when healthy) is as good as Sanchez, but not really the other ones IMHO.
Iwamura appeared to be a bigger risk when Sanchez signed. Although, maybe not now.
I’m not worried about Sanchez’ fielding, it’s his left shoulder.
I know it’s his left shoulder. Catching the ball is pretty important, too. I don’t know how much his shoulder will affect that, but I am concerned.
As for the list of second basemen, I don’t really think of some of them as being as good as Sanchez – I already mentioned Kennedy – but I’m not sure that they aren’t. So, out of curiosity, looking up their combined WAR over the past, say, three years:
Sanchez: 6.3
Iwamura: 6.3
Johnson: 6.1
Hudson: 8.2
Polanco: 11.3
Lopez: 5.8
Kennedy: 2.5
Belliard: 5.4 (primarily as a backup for two of those years)
Considering money, it don’t look so good for Sanchez by that standard.
CHONE predictions for 2010:
Sanchez: 1.1
Iwamura: 2.2
Johnson: 3.1
Hudson: 2.2
Polanco: 3.3
Lopez: 2.2
Kennedy: 0.8
Belliard: 0.4
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I really don’t see how Polanco isn’t a better player than Sanchez. They’re identical, except Polanco walks a bit more and plays better defense.
The rest all hit for a lower AVG than Sanchez, but make up for it with more walks and/or more power. It is, at the very least, close.
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I really liked Polanco. I don’t think I like the deal he signed with Philly but I like him as a player. I think he would have costed the Giants a draft pick, right?
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I also thought he would be undervalued but he signed the best deal out of 2B FA’s!
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by the way, xanthan
Sometime back in a Netflix thread, someone – I think it was you – asked me how Babylon 5 was, because you/they liked science fiction but hadn’t ever seen it.
Anyway, we just finished watching the first season – it has its cheesy moments and the special effects haven’t aged well, but otherwise it’s quite good so far.
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Nice. That was me, I’ll have to check it out. I’m watching a little bit of Dr. Who Season 3 right now — David Tenant is goofy but fun.
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I’ve really enjoyed both David Tennant and Christopher Eccleston as The Doctor. They both left sooner than I wanted them to, which I suppose is ultimately a good thing.
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and if you do watch it
The pilot isn’t on the Season One DVD set – you have to rent that separately. It’s called Babylon 5: The Gathering.
The pilot’s also not very good. And it was made a year before the first season, and almost half the cast didn’t return. But the show was designed as a single five-year story arc, and the pilot sets up a lot of stuff, so you do need to see it.
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Do the Twins have to give up a pick? I don’t remember if the Dodgers offered him arb.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
They declined arbitration on all their free agents because of their whole whole money/divorce proceeding issue, I believe.
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I just figured he was still out there because of that reason…
Now that I think of it, IIRC (hah!) didn’t he put a clause in his contract where they couldn’t offer him arb after the no-mans-land position he was in last year?
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goddamnit
I’m going on vacation tomorrow and I’m sick.
this blows.
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staycation!
You’ll save $$$, too.
/apologizes for using the horrific term “staycation”
by non sequitur on Feb 5, 2010 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
‘holistay’
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Feb 5, 2010 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
I’m confused by the multiple Part 1s. Is the next part going to be Part 1, too? Part 1 III?
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It’s a Firefly Tarantino reference.
What is Quentin going to call the new Kill Bill movie? Kill Bill 3? The first “two” movies were really just one story in two parts. Kill Bill #2/Vol 3? But Bill’s already dead. How can you kill him again? I have a feeling it’ll have to be something different, like Kill Kiddo or something.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
I would love for Schierholtz to blossom into a legitimate major leaguer. I don’t think he’ll ever get the chance though.
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I’m hoping that his stint in winter ball will help this season. Not so much because it will do wonders with his bat (though that would be nice) but because maybe now he’ll be in the organization’s good side and will get consistent playing time.
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
I think he’ll get the chance; I just don’t think it’s likely to happen.
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They’re great during no-hitters!
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Hey how much snow you got so far, X?
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It’s “Snowmageddon!”
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A ton, Roger, a friggin’ ton. I’ve shoveled my driveway 3 times already today. And it’s still coming down at a good clip right now. I’d say we easily have a foot or slightly more on the ground now. They’re calling up up to 28 inches in our area, most of it coming tonight.
I’m ready for the spring.
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Actually that’s backwards, Wil, but nevermind.
I shoveled the steps and the sidewalk in front of the house and then cleaned off the car and turned around and there was another inch on my steps. We’re definitely clearing 2 ft. This is going to be the two of the 10 biggest storms in DC history within 6 weeks of each other. Starting to remind me of one of my Chicago winters.
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I had the same thing happen here. Shoveled the top of the driveway and then the bottom and by the time I got back to the top, it was covered by an inch or so. I walked into our backyard to clear the snow away from our heat pumps and the snow was about up to my knee — I’m 6’ tall or so.
It’s been a crazy winter, that’s for sure. I haven’t been in the VA area for too long, but everyone is saying pretty much the same thing you’re saying. I don’t even want to imagine Chicago winters right now.
(Shoveled my driveway this morning, #4!)
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Ah, the young man’s resolve! I started to dig out the car and then said, screw it, it’ll melt some day.
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xanthan needs to watch more TV
snow is romantic, and fun! Why do you hate America so much?
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Feb 8, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
fun fact about Brock Bond
As a minor leaguer, Duane Kuiper once had more home runs in a season than Bond has had in his whole career thus far.
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Well one thing is that Kuip did that in his third full season; Bond is just now entering his. At the comparable point in their careers, Kuiper had 3 HRs (in a much more favorable hitting environment) to Bond’s 2. And I’ll go out on a limb and predict that Bond hits more than three HRs this year in Fresno. Which will not change the fact that he isn’t much of a prospect — unless he turns into Dan Uggla and hits 25, which ain’t gonna happen.
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