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And apparently Big Head actually does know what UZR is. Who knew???

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Baggs is the man.

As long as Lewis is a Giant, the philosophical debate will rage on. Clearly, no player engenders more disagreement among segments of the fan base.

Those who rely solely on observational data — most casual fans — can’t get past Lewis’ strikeouts, mental lapses and his embarrassing clanks in left field. Those who put greater stock in quantitative analysis — raise those hands, stat geeks — defensively point to Lewis’ on-base percentage and UZR (ultimate zone rating) to show he’s more valuable than almost anyone else on an out-making roster.

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by Giant among Angels on Feb 23, 2010 8:16 PM PST reply actions  

CLANK

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Feb 24, 2010 12:00 AM PST up reply actions  

“Mainly, I took too many pitches last year,” he said. “I’m going to be a lot more aggressive.”

/facepalm

WHY IS BENGIE?!

by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 23, 2010 8:27 PM PST reply actions  

I’m actually glad to hear that.

These pretzels are making me thirsty

by NuschlerFace on Feb 23, 2010 8:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Meulens has talked about the value of taking pitches, so maybe he can convince Lewis to stick with his instincts rather than try to please his fickle bosses.

by Seasick fish on Feb 23, 2010 8:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it’s just a clever ploy to get more playing time. He’s secretly going to take just as many pitches!

by scotterduder on Feb 23, 2010 8:45 PM PST up reply actions  

OH FRED HONEY NO

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"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on Feb 23, 2010 9:13 PM PST up reply actions  

“You can’t walk off the bench”

/Dunston

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by Gobroks on Feb 23, 2010 9:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Oh for fuck’s sake, he’s just saying that to fool Bork into playing him. Right?

I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.

by esseffgeez on Feb 23, 2010 9:45 PM PST up reply actions  

He is probably just referring to the times he would work the count beautifully and than take a called third strike right over the plate.

by shaolinironlion on Feb 23, 2010 10:01 PM PST up reply actions  

He’s been brainwashed.

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by Natto on Feb 23, 2010 10:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Had Bonds been less surly and become a Giant ten years later than he did, would they have convinced him that he took too many pitches and needed to be more aggressive? I wonder how much the AGGRESSIVE org philosophy actually affects the younger hitters.

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by neurofarm on Feb 23, 2010 10:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I read that and cried. One of the few players who has a decent OBP is corrupted by the “walks are cheating the game” approach in an effort to get some playing time.

by quincy0191 on Feb 23, 2010 11:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe it's reverse psychology

to get the Giants to start him!!! ’cuz you know, hacking and all

Hey Fred Lewis, remember Mother's Day?

by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Feb 24, 2010 1:02 AM PST up reply actions  

dude played lots of center in the minors. He can platoon with Rowand all year for my 2 cents worth

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by foothillsfan on Feb 23, 2010 8:38 PM PST reply actions  

at least he won’t swing at fences that hit him

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by ktice on Feb 23, 2010 11:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Just got off a conference call with the Giants pitching staff and when they where asked about Skates in CF they said" HELL NO!".

by wilriv21 on Feb 23, 2010 11:10 PM PST up reply actions  

The Giants front office gives him those numbers, along with its own methodological creations.

Ah, what I’d give to see those “methodologies”.

I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.

by esseffgeez on Feb 23, 2010 9:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing.

If I remember correctly, in an interview about a year ago Sabean said that they use Win Shares Above Bench (WSAB). If that’s the case, they have a decent model for evaluation, but it’s painfully clear that they’re not paying much attention to it.

by JT Jordan on Feb 23, 2010 11:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m entirely certain that every team has its own proprietary statistics that are not public knowledge – particularly on defense.

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by tedfordfan on Feb 24, 2010 7:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Mmmmmmm Pie

trade him to the Orange and Black Orioles for Felix Pie

by wilriv21 on Feb 23, 2010 9:33 PM PST reply actions  

Sorry wilriv, but this.

I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.

by esseffgeez on Feb 23, 2010 9:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Believe the brother would enjoy the Manhole in the City then.

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by Natto on Feb 23, 2010 10:43 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Zippy, have you been to the Manhole?

by wilriv21 on Feb 24, 2010 6:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Chone has him at a 772 OPS with an above-average glove.

by rotorueter on Feb 24, 2010 6:25 AM PST up reply actions  

When I met with Andy I began the negotiations asking for Wieters. Andy said “No, thank you”. Then I demanded Adam Jones and Andy laughed. Not wanting to settle for anything less than the real value of Fred “Skates” Lewis I brought up the name of Nick Markakis. Andy the muttered something about a guy named Buster.

Then I said how about Matusz, Tillman, Arrieta, Bell. No, Nyet ad C’mon now.

Andy then offered Felix Pie or an old jock of Cal Ripken.

by wilriv21 on Feb 23, 2010 11:06 PM PST up reply actions  

“Win mode,” he said. “There’s two words for you. We’re playing to win.”

Oh, there’s the problem. Last season they were playing to lose. With this reversal in strategy, good things are sure to happen.

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by neurofarm on Feb 23, 2010 10:39 PM PST reply actions  

Just because Bochy knows what UZR is

doesn’t mean he actually uses it to evaluate players.

Because there really wasn’t any reason to bench Lewis last season, unless they used other means of evaluating Lewis.. Which were likely not as good as evaluating a player based on UZR and OBP.

by AmorVincitOmnia on Feb 24, 2010 1:56 AM PST reply actions  

I wouldn't be so quick to say that

since ATT was the park where they were testing those fancy-pants new defense f/x cameras.

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by Bhaakon on Feb 24, 2010 2:05 AM PST up reply actions  

I will take the evaluation of baseball scouts over the people who compile UZR numbers

by wilriv21 on Feb 24, 2010 6:08 AM PST up reply actions  

NERDS

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Feb 24, 2010 8:46 AM PST up reply actions  

It’s funny too; have you ever met a scout before? They are insanely nerdified. Hawaiian shirts, sunglasses, sandals and khaki shorts do not look good on a middle-aged white guy

by Mrbasepaul on Feb 24, 2010 8:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Well it would suck to get a sunburn on your foot. That crap hurts.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Feb 24, 2010 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

oh man

those flip flop tan lines last forever too…

by WTF on Feb 25, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

You realize that someone looks at every single play when compiling their UZR numbers, right? Some might even say they are scouting them!

WHY IS BENGIE?!

by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 24, 2010 9:03 AM PST up reply actions  

is that a SF trick?

by wilriv21 on Feb 24, 2010 8:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Please be bipartisan

and show former Gov Di Fi hand during a debate

by wilriv21 on Feb 24, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I will when you do.

Utter frustration and futility.

by Johnny Disaster on Feb 24, 2010 5:03 PM PST up reply actions  

C’mon she has something to do with SF and this blog is something about SF

by wilriv21 on Feb 24, 2010 5:56 PM PST up reply actions  

?

Dianne Feinstein is not a former governor.

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Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis

by jcb9 on Feb 26, 2010 4:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Phew! And California is so fortunate

by wilriv21 on Feb 26, 2010 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

My Di Fi has limited to no connectivity, actually.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Feb 26, 2010 8:29 AM PST up reply actions  

When Bochy said he knew what it was, a good journalist would have said, “yeah? What is it?” I bet Bochy’s glad he wasn’t asked.

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by rxmeister on Feb 24, 2010 4:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I do remember when Fred was benched, and he hadn’t hit a ball hard in about three weeks. It was a struggle to watch him at times, and his bat looked painfully slow.

by tyrannoman on Feb 24, 2010 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

 He looked awful, and perhaps because he wasn’t playing his numbers looked better. That being said, Randy Winn looked awful most of the season and I would’ve preferred KFred play over him.

by tyrannoman on Feb 25, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

But Bochy said he’s aware of Lewis’ statistical strengths, including UZR. The Giants front office gives him those numbers, along with its own methodological creations.

“Boch, what you’re about to see is confidential, proprietary information. This is Defensive Evaluative Metric X. It tells you how good a defender is, and it’s the perfect stat.”

“Sounds good. What is it?”

“Well, we take fielding percentage and subtract .30 or add .30 depending on if the player is a good soldier or not. Fred Lewis is kind of whiny, so his DEMX is .947. Renteria’s is 1.000. Science.”

by Grant Brisbee on Feb 24, 2010 7:35 AM PST reply actions  

I know this is funny

But I thought AT&T park had some sort of secret camera system to evaluate range?

And if so, wouldn’t that be better than UZR?

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by GiantPain on Feb 24, 2010 8:19 AM PST up reply actions  

SportsVision
Baseball executives clamoring for more foolproof analysis might soon get their wish. Sportvision, the company that pioneered the Pitch/FX technology used to monitor the speed and movement of pitches on television and the Internet, is working to apply similar technology to defense. This year, Sportvision installed special cameras at AT&T Park in San Francisco to track everything from fielders’ jumps to the velocity of batted balls. A more widespread rollout of the product is still under discussion.

I am not sure if the fact that these cameras are installed at AT&T gives the Giants any special access to them or the data it provides.

WHY IS BENGIE?!

by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 24, 2010 8:25 AM PST up reply actions  

If someone said three years from now.... you'd be long gone....

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by baetown415 on Feb 24, 2010 9:12 AM PST reply actions  

I'd stand up and punch them out 'cause they're all wrong

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by SoFa King Mike on Feb 24, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

This is my favorite part:
“Grinding out a pitcher, going first to third, getting on base, getting that ball in the gap — not all those things show up in a box score, but they’re all important.”

Getting on base does show up in a box score!

Noonan. Nooooonan!

by Giant Fan in Singapore on Feb 24, 2010 12:14 PM PST reply actions  

“Not all those things” is not the same as “none of those things.”

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by Skaldheim on Feb 24, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Seems like the best outcome for Fred Lewis and the Giants would be him having a hellacious hot streak during spring. Y’know, the Manny Burriss route to the starting lineup. Sure, it’s a silly way to evaluate players, but it’s probably Fred’s last shot at sticking around.

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by Skaldheim on Feb 24, 2010 12:29 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah, I’ve felt exactly the same way—-root for flukey spring training streaks for our most talented players. Except for maybe Mad Bum.

by rotorueter on Feb 24, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

And apparently Big Head actually does know what UZR is.

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by Headhunter Rollins on Feb 24, 2010 2:36 PM PST reply actions  

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by jctGamer on Feb 24, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Or a room full of them.

Utter frustration and futility.

by Johnny Disaster on Feb 24, 2010 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

No book that’s that long is simplifying the concept of Bukkake.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Feb 24, 2010 11:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Do NOT GIS bukkake with the safe search off.

"meh"

by SFGuy on Feb 24, 2010 7:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually don’t GIS bukkake at all.

"meh"

by SFGuy on Feb 24, 2010 7:25 PM PST up reply actions  

This is sound advice.

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by Natto on Feb 24, 2010 11:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t know to whom “KFred” refers, and I don’t care to.

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by satyricrash on Feb 25, 2010 2:31 PM PST reply actions  

Britney’s ex.

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by Natto on Feb 25, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

The fat one?

Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.

by satyricrash on Feb 25, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

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