Top 30 Prospects, Part VI: 3-5
by Grant Brisbee on Feb 16, 2010 2:03 PM PST
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5. Rafael Rodriguez – CF?/RF?
The reason Rodriguez is on the list for the second straight year is that the Giants outbid several teams for Rodriguez’s services. I’m going to guess that one of those teams was a smart team. Ergo post ex prompter hoc pluribus: Rodriguez has the kind of baseball tools that a smart team would pay millions for. Science.
Now one of the good things about being an amateur prospect hack is that I can overreact to small samples. So if I make the leap of logic to get the above paragraph, then I’m just thrilled when a 16-year-old puts up a .392 on-base percentage in 127 at-bats. And if there’s anything in those 127 at-bats that could hurt Rodriguez’s prospect ranking – like, oh, a complete and total lack of power – I’m free to ignore that. Sample size! And that’s also science. Any time a Giants player shows a propensity for taking pitches, I’ll overrate him by a factor of five.
There is already concern that Rodriguez might not have the speed for center field, which is kind of important, but I’ll just focus on Rodriguez’s tools, his mathematically proven plate discipline, and his ridiculously young age. Dude was 16. If it take him four years to post a .392 on-base percentage in low-A, he’ll still be young for his league. I’m not worried about the power right now – if he’s still not showing doubles power in a couple of years, maybe it’s time to readjust expectations.
4. – Zack Wheeler - RHP
All of that science that applies to Rodriguez’s inclusion in the top five also applies here. There must be some reason that Wheeler was a top-ten pick. A right-handed flamethrower with a projectable, scout-friendly frame? I say Matt Cain, you say Craig Whitaker, but that’s because you’re a joyless, lost soul whose mother didn’t hold you right after birth.
Until he pitches a professional inning, the only thing we know about Whitaker is that he’s a right-handed flamethrower with a projectable, scout-friendly frame, which is what I read here. Top-ten picks are usually the first-best or second-best prospects in a weak system the second they sign. The Giants have some premium prospects in the top two spots, and I can’t rate Wheeler higher than Neal without having pitched an inning, so this seems like a fair compromise.
3. Thomas Neal - LF
He’s probably the most underrated prospect in baseball. Well, I don’t follow other teams, but from my Giantscentric world view, that seems like a perfectly appropriate piece of hyperbole. I just can’t see a flaw in Neal’s profile. He hit for average last year, took walks, stayed healthy, hit well at home and on the road, lead the league in on-base percentage, came in fourth in slugging percentage, he cut down on his strikeouts while advancing a level, and he stayed healthy. He is the light and truth, and you should order his jersey right now.
Part of the problem might be the Cal League, which historically inflates hitting statistics. Ben Badler of Baseball America noted that San Jose helped Neal’s numbers, but MinorLeagueBaseball.com thinks that San Jose is one of the hardest places to hit in the league, if not the minors. The folks at Baseball Think Factory agree somewhat. So while Neal’s gaudy road numbers might be because of goofball places like High Desert, it doesn’t discount everything he did in San Jose, and he had very nice home splits (.306/.380/.545).
And he came so, so close to my wild-eyed prediction. If you agree not to double check my other predictions and proclamations, you might be a wee bit impressed at my superior baseball knowledge. It’s okay. Run with that feeling.
For all of the disdain it’s appropriate to give the front office for the Ryan Garko/Freddy Sanchez debacles, it’s worth noting that Neal is still in the organization when it wouldn’t have been much of a PR hit to trade him. He should start in AA, it’s not unreasonable to think Neal might come up this season if he goes Pablonova.
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I could see Thomas Neal coming up this season…and getting 17 PA in 7 games over the course of a month.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
He is
http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb.com/team/roster_nri.jsp?c_id=sf
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
sweet, so he’ll get a shot, not likely he’ll be with the club at all at the start, but i’m pretty sure he’ll be there come september
this
it makes me really look forward to september
01.19.2010
r.i.p. buster posey I really thought you had a shot
What was all that 1 in 1,000,000 talk?
Hitler was a Dodgers fan.
by The Nick on Feb 16, 2010 8:25 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think that depends
on how good he is at bunting.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Feb 16, 2010 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
Giants “Special Assitant to the Roving Hitting Coach” Rich Aurilia will work with him on that.
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Until he pitches a professional inning, the only thing we know about Whitaker is that he’s a right-handed flamethrower with a projectable, scout-friendly frame, which is what I read here.
See, this is the kind of “typo” that I just assume is intentional. Alex Guinness.
hit well at home and on the road, lead the league in on-base percentage
This, however, is not.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
Anyway, I’m not criticizing. I’m just being a jerk. There’s an important distinction there somewhere.
I mean, I can only begin to imagine the mistakes I let slide when I post to the front page at NinersNation.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 16, 2010 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
To continue to be a jerk, I'll only give you a hint:
Pb.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 16, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
Also. this.
If it take him four years to post a .392 on-base percentage in low-A, he’ll still be young for his league.
It be #3.
I’m just pissed off at the tease of not posting the other two. Chief’s milking this.
Milking it, I tell you!
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Feb 16, 2010 5:54 PM PST up reply actions
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The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 16, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
And he came so, so close to my wild-eyed prediction. If you agree not to double check my other predictions and proclamations, you might be a wee bit impressed at my superior baseball knowledge. It’s okay. Run with that feeling.
/brings up how, back in the Waiting for Boof days, Grant left Francisco Liriano and Fred Lewis off his 2003 top prospects list altogether, while including such future stars as Tony Torcato and Jesse English.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Although it must be said, Tony T fooled a lot of guys.
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
Well, he did OPS 1.139 in the major leagues for the entire 2004 season.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 16, 2010 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
Second on the team to Bonds that year.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 16, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
You know when I said “a lot of guys”, I really meant me!
Also, TT was third in OPS. He and Barry were behind the peerless Jason Ellison (1.750).
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
Man, now there was a real baseball player.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 16, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
This has been made fun of before: http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2008/8/14/593824/post-your-giants-top-10-pr#8125982
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Aw man, this comment haz me a sad:
It’s all worked as planned, so far. The Giants are loaded with diamond arms. Loaded. Kurt Ainsworth, Jerome Williams, and Jesse Foppert are ready, or close to it, and would make the philosophy a success on their own. Then, you can toss in the younger studs like Boof Bonser, Ryan Hannaman, and Francisco Liriano. That’s not even mentioning interesting pitchers like Jesse English, Erick Threets, Manuel Mateo, Noah Lowry, Clay Hensley, Matthew Cain, and Jeff Clark. That’s an obscene amount of young pitching.
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
Why don’t we call him Matthew more often?
And Manuel Mateo was Merkin Valdez, right?
The baseball Satanist
I dunno, and yes.
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MATTHEW THOMAS CAIN
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
TWHS?
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Feb 16, 2010 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
A right - handed flamethrower!
With a projectable, scout – friendly frame!
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Feb 16, 2010 5:33 PM PST up reply actions
Who the hell was Ryan Hannaman?
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/09: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
by Useful_Idiot on Feb 16, 2010 7:13 PM PST up reply actions
He was on the same Hagerstown team as Liriano and had stuff just as electric, though with pretty bad control. I think he was already having injury issues before they even traded him to Baltimore and shortly thereafter he blew out completely.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
Ah, but how many of them are available to be seen on the Internet?
That’s what I thought.
Although by searching Google Groups, you can find some of my stupid opinions from 1996. Some of them have to do with Shawon Dunston being good because he hustles and was hitting .300.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Wow, I never realized how not-good Dunston was with the bat. That’s some serious not-goodness going on over pretty much his entire career.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 16, 2010 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
From 1992 through 1997, he was exactly an average hitter!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 16, 2010 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
It’s just too bad for his totals that he played for 12 other years.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 16, 2010 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
So, just to be nice:
Good:
Cain – Obviously
Bad:
Threets
Clark, Hannaman (don’t know anything about them)
Mediocre:
Bonser,
Hensley -pretty good before injured.
Mateo (Valdez) and Injured
Ugly
Ainsworth – injured
Foppert – injured
Lirano – Great (for the Twins) then injured
Lowry – Solid, then injured
Williams – Head case
Unclear
English
Just saying, it’s hard to predict injuries to pitchers. Without the injuries, I think you could project a pretty decent rotation of Cain, Lowry, Liriano, Ainsworth and Bonser
Lowry doesn’t belong on the Ugly list.
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Zach Wheeler and Thomas Neel are good baseball names. That should count for something too, right? Just like Buster Posey and Madison Bumgarner are good baseball names. And Tommy Lasorda isn’t
Thomas Kneel has a long future in Baron slashfic.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 16, 2010 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
wait
is this slashfic written by Baron, or does she have such a following here now that other people are writing slashfic about her?
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
“The Giants’ minor league organization has the balance of a hobo with an inner-ear infection and a bottle of Thunderbird.”
This is a great quote from Grant’s 2003 prospect list
That Waiting for Boof was a pretty fun blog. Too bad it never gets updated anymore. :(
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Tire iron.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 16, 2010 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
His production never matched his tools, and he was released. I think he washes cars in Martinez now.
He probably sold out and went to work for the Giants.
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
Wearable Blanket vitipurates you.
Gary Darling, go DIAFF.
by The Enchanter on Feb 16, 2010 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
He got a cat.
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He named it Boof.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 16, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
nah.
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner
by walkoff baltimore chop on Feb 16, 2010 9:12 PM PST up reply actions
What is your metric?
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Feb 17, 2010 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
Are you trying to say that Waiting for Boof was written by Matt Cain?
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Speaking of Matt Cain spoonerisms, my cat is part Maine.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 16, 2010 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
(Maine Coon)
He’s not as big, but it’s definitely in there.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 16, 2010 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
Oh geez….
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 16, 2010 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
What? I don’t see anything wrong.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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You certainly don’t leave yourself open for anything.
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My sister has one too. It’s not as fat as they come, but it has a good personality.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
….
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 16, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
What?
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
He’s not as big, but it’s definitely in there.
You certainly don’t leave yourself open for anything.
My sister has one too. It’s not as fat as they come, but it has a good personality.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 16, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
I’m not following.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Do I really have to spell penis out here?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 16, 2010 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
p-e-n-i-s
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
Those cats can get pretty fat. They’re big-boned.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
And hairy. They’ll shed all over the place if you don’t keep them well groomed. Plus they look sort of gross.
….
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 16, 2010 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
Main Coons can get pretty darned big. I believe they’re one of the biggest domestic breeds.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 16, 2010 3:09 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, that’s a real breed.
I thought you were making it up.
Gary Darling, go DIAFF.
by The Enchanter on Feb 16, 2010 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
Part VII: #2 Prospect
Part VIII: The Giants Organizational Rank among the 30 clubs
Part IX: 20 Reasons why Buster Posey should make the opening day lineup
Part X: The Art of making the perfect turkey sandwich
Part XI: LLAMAS!
Part XII: #1 Prospect (Humorous attempt listing Kevin Frandsen at #1)
Part XIII: The Real #1 Prospect
Sorry, just bustin balls
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Why you bustin’ my balls, man?
Hey Fred Lewis, remember Mother's Day?
by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Feb 16, 2010 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
wow, I can't wait to see which two prospects got 1 and 2!
I love Thomas Neal
just for fun but at the risk of POKEMANS, here is his career so far in my current OOTP league:
2 MVPs!
(2020 isn’t over yet)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Seems perfectly reasonable to expect the real version to match that.
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Yeah, anything less than that and I’ll be really disappointed.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
one good reason to pay for OOTP10 instead of the free OOTP 8
I had to start with the 2007 rosters D:
Fortunately the roster buggered the salary numbers so I could unload Zito and Morris, but there was an awful lot of dumping to clean out that mess. Getting ready to open 2008 with Lincecum in the rotation, which will be awesome.
It also thinks Frandsen, Lewis, and a couple others are “Ready for the Major Leagues”. Silly computer.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Feb 16, 2010 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, the 2007 rosters are uuuuugly, the 2009 opening day rosters are way more workable.
(Admittedly, I had to edit Zito’s and Rowand’s contracts a bit in order to get rid of them. I mean, I probably could have dealt with it, I had tons of budget room the first few years, but I just had to dump them.)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I like picking through the waiver wire
so it was fun anyway, and some guys like Aurilia and Durham brought back quite a few good players.
Of course, I started with an expansion draft (to make 4 divisions of 8 teams) and that thinned out the other teams a bit which helped preserve my rosters. Nothing like horrible contracts to keep the expansion teams away!
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Feb 16, 2010 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
Duh, how could a machine be wrong?
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
#2 in Fanshots
so true
check out Jeff Fiorentino
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
2018 and 2019 for MVPs?
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
#2 in Fanshots
2012 and 2019
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
.417 OBP? On the Giants? I am surprised he wasn’t traded following that season.
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
#2 in Fanshots
CHEATS THE GAME
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
NO POWER
GET THAT WALK TAKING .328 HITTING HACK OFF MY PROSPECT LIST
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 16, 2010 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
Oh wait, I was looking at triples. Carry on.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 16, 2010 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
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Indiviudual?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 16, 2010 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
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It must be satirical.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 16, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
Shhh, he doesn’t know.
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He also looks very upset to have won.
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
#2 in Fanshots
WHITE POWER
Hank Conger later divorced his wife for being a “coolie lover”
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
hmmm
I can see it! Let me try this again.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
that one, the ‘real world’ one, the wrap it up box, and the entire ‘keeping it real goes wrong’ series were my favorites
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
Super Rodgers Bros.
#52
Those are all great, but I mean one of the best not just including Chappelle’s Show sketches.
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
And then there were some stinkers
Like the Haters Club and Negrodamus. But then there were some absolutely brilliant things like this:
and this
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
We are proud to announce the merger of KFC and FUBU!
These pretzels are making me thirsty
by NuschlerFace on Feb 16, 2010 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
I love how the Asians
Selected the Wu-Tang Clan in the first round. It makes me wonder if Al Davis was their GM.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
game… blouses
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
Super Rodgers Bros.
#52
Haters Ball was not a stinker!
“Now if you excuse me, I’m gonna go home and put some water in Buck Nasty’s momma’s dish”
A for effort!
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Darva's younger brother
She just wants her life back.
Seasons will pass you by. I get up, I get down.
Wonder who will make it to the Show first...
Is Neal for real or will Conger last longer?
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Feb 16, 2010 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
The Eel
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Feb 16, 2010 4:51 PM PST up reply actions
They are similar prospects IMO
in my personal top 100 minor league prospects I have Conger at 57 and Neal at 60
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
Neal's for real
Probably the second best hitter (behind Posey) I saw in the Cal League last summer.
Scouting Report:
http://californialeaguereview.com/san-jose-giants/position-player-scouting/thomas-neal/
I’m torn between the comedic possibilities of ‘conger, I hardly even knew her’, ‘hang conger? why, what did he do?’ and a Goofus inspired reference to the conger eel.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Feb 16, 2010 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
Hyun-Choi Conger!
Or I guess Conger Hyun-Choi?
콘 글 현 최 ?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
Tune in tomorrow to find out!
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I hope it lasts.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 16, 2010 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
That was a Wonka line, by the way. I’m not wishing you discomfort.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 16, 2010 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
Speaking of Wonka… man, it looks like the new Alice in Wonderland is going to suck. Which is okay, because I’m not going to see it either way. I think if Tim Burton would make a movie where he wasn’t on complete and total autopilot, I might have a little, marginal bit of interest in actually watching it.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 16, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, it’s exactly what i would expect a Tim Burton movie of Alice staring Johnny Depp to look like, which I’m sure is enough for some people, but dude needs to break out of his formula sometime ‘cause I’m bored.
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Johnny Depp would always be in a Tim Burton movie, just look at Edward Scissor hands, and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. So you’d imagine that it’d be the same kind of script or setting.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen them in the same room at the same time.
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Don’t forget Helena Bonham-Carter-Burton.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 16, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
Nate and Fred?
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Feb 16, 2010 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
Frandsen and Brian Dallimore?
I got a million to choose from!
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Feb 17, 2010 8:13 AM PST up reply actions
Not really, though I think Bumgarner’s question marks are bigger than Buster’s.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
This.
Right now I think the only thing that could derail Buster’s career is by the FO screwing with his playing time and position. But that wouldn’t happen.
/cries.
Sadison needs to better develop his secondary pitches.
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
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It still might be something to note that podcast from Baseball America that was touched on in the last main thread, brought up by jcb9
Basically, one of the guys on the podcast heard from a scout or two, and maybe thought himself too, that Posey’s catching abilities might not be all that good, poor even, and that his bat isn’t really THAT great either. They described him “like Russell Martin but without the catching ability”
Take it for what its worth, but it is one of the first times I’ve seen at least where his catching has been questioned (possibly outside of the Giants organization and other Bay Area media outlets)
The podcast can be found for free on itunes. It is the NL West prospect preview one.
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I’m not going to take the opinion of one scout over everything else when there’s a lot of evidence, scouting and statistical, to suggest that he’s not that bad of a catcher.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Russell Martin’s bat is good, though. Career .342 OBP? That’s a top ten catcher even if his defense is poor. And he’s not yet 27 — he could easily get better.
If he was truly a horrible, horrible historically bad defensive catcher, don’t you think A. it would have been noticeable even in the tiny sample size at the end of the season, B. would have gotten more play before this point, C. would have caused the Giants to seriously consider moving him off catcher?
I mean, really.
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"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Hey, I’m just pointing out what they said on that podcast. Gotta take the news from both sides
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Angel Villalona and Emmanuel Burriss.
Grant still believes!
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If Neal goes all Pablonova...
…I’ll have Pablorgasm
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I think I can honestly say that if the Giants had done absolutely nothing in the offseason but sign Wang for $2M, I would have liked that better than what they actually did.
I get queasy thinking of Wang running around the bases.
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
me too, but i’m just reading donut.
Gary Darling, go DIAFF.
by The Enchanter on Feb 16, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
OT
I remember hearing bochy and many pitchers claim that tampering with the radar guns can have a big effect on pitchers. Does anyone know of a book or article or something that investigates this more closely? (I’m doing an essay on how human perception affects reality, and it reminded me of that. Seemed like it could be relevant.)
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I’m lazy. But during Schmidt’s last year they jacked up the radar gun to boost his self confidence.
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Speaking of Zach Wheeler is it too early to beg to adopt him? My old son was disappointing and I was born on the same day and year as Wheeler. Also the only other baseball player born on that day was Manny Ramirez and he is a good hitter so to balance it out the great Bonds in the sky put Wheeler on May 30th to give us a great pitcher!
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
We haven't talked about adoptions this offseason
I want me some DeRosa.
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The old fashion way!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Feb 16, 2010 6:23 PM PST up reply actions
A young Grant hones his skills.
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by victor frankenstein on Feb 16, 2010 5:59 PM PST up reply actions
OT: this is great, Miami Ohio hockey, gotta love it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TyLZDGuE2M
huge college hockey fight, and coach gets ejected
Ive decided I want to learn how to krump.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Feb 16, 2010 11:01 PM PST reply actions
What made you come to this decision?
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner
by walkoff baltimore chop on Feb 16, 2010 11:13 PM PST up reply actions
All 5 heads?
Molina is the Butty Slofessor.
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He already did.
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It's not a bad idea,
move Posey to 2nd, since Eli is a good up and coming catcher. Posey is young and from the farm system. What will become if Lowery? Have the Giants given up on him?espn insider predict: Giants, Rockies, Dodgers, dbacks, padres. Should be a fun year.
by Skunkburner on Feb 17, 2010 3:27 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Lowry is no longer on the team.
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What will become if Lowery… what????
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 18, 2010 8:17 AM PST up reply actions
I’m still stuck on “Eli is a good up and coming catcher.”
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
Yeah, I can’t even muster sarcasm about that.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 18, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
My mistake. I hadn't heard anything. With my Dodgers track record, I'm surprised they don't offer up a big contract for a busted giant arm.
by Skunkburner on Feb 17, 2010 8:46 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Thoracic Outlet Syndrome!
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Feb 17, 2010 9:00 PM PST up reply actions
Not yet.
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