Joe Mauer: 10 year extension??
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Good gravy.
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I wonder the secret ingredient is.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 1, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
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They stole my recipe!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Feb 1, 2010 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
All You Need
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Ingredients:
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That’s fantastic if it’s true. No Mauer to the Yankees or Red Sox! Really interested in the salary, it must have been a pretty huge annual discount (but given 10 years, pretty huge in total). Seems like there’s less risk for an AL team to do this, he’s probably a pretty good bet to be a productive hitter for a long time (he has a higher career walk rate than K rate!), and they can always move him to 1B or DH at some point down the road.
Yeah, I really hope this gets done. Mauer as a Twin for life would be awesome.
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Yeah it would. However, hearing about what a good guy he is and how he choose to stay with the Twins and not go for the money could get old after a few years.
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by say hey nation on Feb 1, 2010 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know.
The smaller the market, the less a team can afford to make a decade-long mistake. If Mauer gets moved to 1B in a couple years, suddenly this is the Helton contract (which isn’t that bad, but low-payroll teams can’t afford to pay market value and expect to win).
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To a degree, but the Twins are getting a new stadium, right? And I don’t think they were really as small market as they made themselves out to be, for a while it was just the owner being cheap. Plus, I imagine if it was a 10 (or even 7) year deal, it’d involve some sort of discount (and factor in a move to another position at some point) so they were still getting a good value even once he moved….
by Missing Barry on Feb 1, 2010 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
Same owner. Well, same familly.
And why would the length of the deal mean a signficant discount? Maybe a million or so a season, but you’d have to believe that such a deal would still be in the $180M range. If it were real, that is.
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Hometown discount + financial security/guaranteed money discount. I’ve raised this before and didn’t get a very good conversation started, but I wonder if we shouldn’t treat a contract on the basis of how much a marginal win costs in the season the cost is occurred. So 10 years down the road, a marginal win might cost something like $10M on the open market, if a guy like Mauer is only making $18M that year (10 year/$180M contract)….well, he probably won’t have that much negative value at that point, but if he performs like he did last year, he’d be giving his team $19M in excess value, so it seems like under that assumption long term deals are actually very good values, but under the assumption that we treat the whole deal at the price of a marginal win right now, it becomes much less favorable for the team (assuming inflation). So I’m not sure which method makes more sense, it seems to me like the first one does because in any given year your opportunity cost is that years free agent market so that’s the price you should use, but when Fangraphs analyzes deals, for instance, they use the price of a marginal win at the time the contract is signed.
by Missing Barry on Feb 2, 2010 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
Didn't people try to justiy the Zito contract through projected salary inflation?
Even in a ten-year period, salary inflation is neither stable nor substantial enough to justify that reasoning, particularly on the extreme high end of signings. The biggest contract signedin 7-10 years ago (Arod 1, Helton, Jeter, Manny) are comparable to the deals the top players are getting today. My understanding is that the majority of salary inflation is coming from the average-to-above average players rather than the superstars.
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My understanding is that the majority of salary inflation is coming from the average-to-above average players rather than the superstars.
Well, if you believe in wins being linear, then it should come from everyone…
by Missing Barry on Feb 2, 2010 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know enough about economics to get into a big discussion about it...
But player salaries are determined by market forces and other factors than just win value. The linear WAR*$4.4M valuation they use at Fangraphs suggest a $30M+ salary for Lincecum (for example), but he wouldn’t even get close to that if he were a free agent.
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Well, I know about economics, but I don’t have the research into baseball salaries, but supposedly they’re linear. That’s what all the guys who do the research tell me. Maybe it’s because guys like Lincecum are under team control for some of their prime, and for a lot of the rest they sign a long term contract they initially overperform then underperform at the end of the contract? I don’t really know the reasons why it happens, or even if it does for sure since I haven’t looked into it myself, but it is what I’m told….
by Missing Barry on Feb 2, 2010 6:49 PM PST up reply actions
They already said this is false
From Heyman
joe mauer and #twins are talking a lot. but deal’s not done yet and not likely 10 yrs. best guess: 7 or 8 yrs, $150-180 mil
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Jon Heyman ever have actual facts? Or is everything he reports just his gut feelings?
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by say hey nation on Feb 1, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
Olney also said no
Am told by source close to the Twins that the report of a preliminary 10-year agreement with Mauer is not accurate.
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I was just referring to Heyman. He always words things like he is full of shit
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by say hey nation on Feb 1, 2010 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
ESPN is constantly pretending that “breaking news” isn’t breaking news until they can pretend one of their people was the one who broke it
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by Missing Barry on Feb 1, 2010 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
Are you being sarcastic?
Helton’s been worth like 32 WAR since he got his contract.
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Of course he wasn’t. Grant is a well-known Helton-Hater. He’s the president of the club.
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by howtheyscored on Feb 1, 2010 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
I hate the new math. Before last season, he was a $17M player producing at a $7M level. I forgot how good he was last season.
by Grant Brisbee on Feb 1, 2010 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
I'm guesing that the dude leaves a massive amount of change on the table
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As he should
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I’m guesing that the dude leaves a massive amount of change on the table
You are probably correct bae, but seriously, if he signed a ten year $160M dollar contract would it really matter how much he left on the table ?
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I guess not
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In terms of the Twins working out a long-term deal...
It helps that Mauer’s agent is the same as Cal Ripken’s.
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At a Twins awards dinner last week, Twins owner Jim Pohlad started off his introduction with a story about how he had lost his wallet in the middle of dinner and asked that it be returned to his table if anyone found it.
“Actually, you may as well take it over to Joe,” Pohlad kiddedThis elicited a huge roar of laughter from the crowd. So, I am very interested in seeing the numbers.
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by Giant among Angels on Feb 1, 2010 3:17 PM PST reply actions
Bengie should be available next year!
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