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Organization of the Year

In case you missed it, Baseball America named the Giants their Organization of the Year. The Giants stumbled a bit in their personal interview, but they absolutely nailed the evening wear segment. It was a natural choice -- the Giants won the World Series on the strength of an incredible run of first-round success as well as mid-season acquisitions. That’s how to do it. That’s the secret sauce.

Of course, my least favorite part of the article was this:

Star-divide

"Sabean caught lightning in a bottle with the FA pickups, and I am terrified at the confidence that it gives him," wrote one anonymous critic on a bash-Sabean site. "As long as he refuses to even talk to other GMs on the phone, I want somebody that can sustain this run, rather than get lucky on a FLUKE."

Another poster who calls himself "Timmy C" offered up the following astute observation:

"Look at all these idiots here kissing Sabean love [sic] just because the Giants won the Series! The only good Sabean did this year was fix all the bad he had already done. Yay for him. He still sucks."

Whether those opinions are the work of a few dyspeptic cranks or discerning Giants-watchers who think Sabean lucked into a title, they're a reflection of the stress inherent in the job these days. In an age when everyone has access to a social network site and a forum to express a knee-jerk opinion, the concept of a "honeymoon" is obsolete.

While I've been critical of Brian Sabean quite a bit, I’d like to think the criticisms weren’t pulled out of a vacuum. It’s not as if the Giants continually built powerhouses that continually lost 80-90 games because of unexpected injuries, bad calls, and mongoose attacks. For two years, everybody knew that the Giants would be dangerous with an offense that could escape the gravity of "wretched" and move into the orbit of "unremarkable." Yet for two years, Bengie Molina was the cleanup hitter. The Giants entered a season with Fred Lewis as the #3 hitter. If you weren’t frustrated, you weren’t watching.

Yet the best example of Sabean’s critics was someone who typed, "Look at all these idiots here kissing Sabean love"? Gee, was it too hard to find a better source of intelligent dissent, like in the comments section of a YouTube video, or on the bathroom wall of a Chevron? I can’t find the original "bash-Sabean site" with a Google search, by the way, and I’m more than a little curious. If anyone here knows where that came from, please humor me.

What the BA article does a good job of, though, is exploring the most underrated part of Sabean -- his willingness to listen. When Sabean was feeling pressure to build an offense, and one of the top college hitters in the draft (Beau Mills) fell to the Giants, he took a high school pitcher (Madison M. F. Bumgarner). There had to be some temptation to take the hitter who was perceived to be close to the majors. Sabean didn’t even know if he’d still be with the Giants when Bumgarner came up, but there was someone he trusted in the room who said, no, that’s the guy. That’s the best player available. Sabean listened. He listened to the people who wanted to draft Tim Lincecum, and he listened to the people who threatened to set the building on fire if he traded Lincecum. You can roll your eyes, but that’s why the Giants won a championship, and it isn’t something that all (even most?) GMs would do.

The good and the bad of Sabean combined in a slow cooker, and after a decade or so, the result was a championship. His bullpen building was the garlic, and his reluctance to trade starting pitching was homemade chicken stock. His willingness to tweak and adjust his roster was just the right amount of salt and pepper. The drafts he oversaw were the meat and potatoes. And his idea of what makes a good lineup was some sort of freaky mystery ingredient from a Food Network reality show -- when they lifted off the lid, it was expensive-yet-unrefrigerated offal for all. For a few years, the end result was tepid intestine-and-snout slurry. Last year, it was a delicious and surprising delicacy. It was worth the wait.

Congratulations to the Giants for being the obvious choice for Baseball America’s Organization of the Year. They earned it.1

1By winning the World Series in 2010, in case you hadn’t heard

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I love those quotes from the article.

They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.

by esseffgeez on Dec 8, 2010 10:05 AM PST reply actions  

Washington is trying to follow Sabes blueprint

in anticipation of winning the 2013 award.

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Well they already have signed their burdensome 7/126 contract...

so we can expect Jayson Werth to have a large role in the clubhouse, providing leadership to their developing players. Results wise, Werth will have a disappointing first year, pitiful second year, improved but unlucky third year, and average but also unlucky fourth year where he collapses at the end and is left off the playoff roster, but takes it for the team because he is a class act.

I’m convinced. Washington Nationals win the World Series in 2014.

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by GiantBrass on Dec 8, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Werth went with the money AND no pressure to win.....some guys like that environment.

"I always knew I was going to be thrown at. I was old-school, so I didn't care, as long as they hit me from the neck down.'' Hac-Man One Flap down Jeffrey Leonard

by Penitentiary Face on Dec 8, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

seems a good chunk of Boras clients do that… go with the money and no pressure to win. that way, when they far underplay their contracts, no one notices.

Except in Zitos case, they built a very good team quickly, and now he’s in the spotlight again as an overpaid Boras client not living up to it.

The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.

Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.

by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Gotta be 22gigantes.com. Right?

Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.

I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog

THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES

by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 10:07 AM PST reply actions  

No

Not enough McCovey Chronicles Sucks references in that quote.

"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
2010 World Series Champions San Francisco Giants

by 49er16 on Dec 8, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

This just proves that you can be a total asshole and still be successful. Nothing wrong with that.

by Every6thDay on Dec 8, 2010 10:08 AM PST reply actions  

Scott Boras, line 2.

The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.

Et tu, Ribe?

by Solidarity on Dec 8, 2010 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

“Tell them to go fuck themselves.”

Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!

by jhiat00 on Dec 8, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

All or none

The problem with many Internet commenters is the all or nothing. Sabaen is all good or all bad. There is no perfect GM, no perfect politico, no perfect commenter (Giant Malcontent excepted).

I can only be nice to one person a day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look good either.

by GiantMalcontent on Dec 8, 2010 10:09 AM PST reply actions  

No! It’s black and white! Love Sabean or hate Sabean! No in between! Cats or dogs! Take your pick!

I feel prickishly demanding!

I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.

by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 8, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

I like turtles.

Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!

by breadfan7 on Dec 8, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

I like the Wizard of Oz.

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

I like pie

..and don’t get me started on Rush. Either one.

"I can't very well tell my batters, 'Dont hit it to him.' Wherever they hit it, he's there anyway."
- NY Mets manager Gil Hodges on Willie Mays

by Lyle on Dec 8, 2010 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

CHEESECAKE IS PIE!

"It is not enough that we win; all others must lose" -Larry Ellison
"I come up with something when I’ve got nothing, and it’s always brilliant. Always. So I reject your logic." -Grant

by Mdizzle138 on Dec 8, 2010 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Cheesepie is cake.

I can't fight this feeling anymore!

by ResDog on Dec 8, 2010 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Chocolate…………….yummy.

Warning, angry Giants fan on the loose.

by MHizzle on Dec 8, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Wrong

The correct response was “I like the Tin Man”

Bunch of scrooges the lot of you.

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Thank you!

about time.

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 5:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Please do we need to go over this AGAIN?

CAKECAKECAKECAKECAKECAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Staunch Defender of Cake

by Angry Dwarf on Dec 8, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Angry dwarf is angry.

"I can't very well tell my batters, 'Dont hit it to him.' Wherever they hit it, he's there anyway."
- NY Mets manager Gil Hodges on Willie Mays

by Lyle on Dec 8, 2010 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Only if it's my wife's Guinness Double Chocolate Cake.

My favorite pie is Mud Pie. Does that count?

Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!

by breadfan7 on Dec 8, 2010 5:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I like Rush.

In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.

by cornball on Dec 8, 2010 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Rush Rush was one of Paula Abdul’s better songs…

Promise of a New Day
Cold Hearted Snake…
Rush Rush…

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Only a SITH LORD believes in absolutes!

How is it possible you’ve evaded detection so far?

May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum

by natteringnabob on Dec 8, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

You haven’t realized? We’re all Sith Lords here. You’re the only one who isn’t.

I feel prickishly demanding!

I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.

by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 8, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

There are only two people here? Holy multiple personality!

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

deals*

Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry

by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 8, 2010 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Only the Dark Side deals in absolutes, GiantsFansSince1981, aka Anakin.

by seaborn on Dec 8, 2010 8:01 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s a problem with many people.

Placeholder.

by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Yup.

“It’s all or nothin’ baby, it’s never ever maybe, they say I might be crazy, but I gotta be all in”

by Every6thDay on Dec 8, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Doesn’t “Timmy C” comment here?

"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
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by 49er16 on Dec 8, 2010 10:09 AM PST reply actions  

When he’s not reminiscing on his glory days in Rage Against the Machine.

The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!

by TheLetter2 on Dec 8, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

YES!

A reference I get!

Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.

by marcello on Dec 8, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

I serve many audiences.

The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!

by TheLetter2 on Dec 8, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

I really hope Pablo hates Fresno

and works his butt off this winter

Kevin Mitchell has a black belt in keeping it real.

by kbsofaraway08 on Dec 8, 2010 10:13 AM PST reply actions  

I thought everyone hated Fresno?

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

...I actually like Fresno...

And people always give me weird looks when I say that…

"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."

by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Because you’re the only person who likes Fresno.

"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
2010 World Series Champions San Francisco Giants

by 49er16 on Dec 8, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

So I’ve heard.

"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."

by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

I LIVE here.

I love going to Grizzlies games, and it enabled me to witness the birth process of what became this 2010 SF Giants world championship.

The Grizzlies are the only positive aspect of Fresno in the summer. They are among the few positive attributes of Fresno overall. Another positive aspect of Fresno is that it is not Los Angeles.

by Grizzlie Antagonist on Dec 8, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Another positive aspect of Fresno is that it is not Los Angeles.

That’s a positive aspect of anyplace.

"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."

by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

And Fresno is included within the subset of “anyplace”, though there are cynics that will say it’s really more within the subset of “noplace”.

by Grizzlie Antagonist on Dec 8, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, except Los Angeles.

I feel prickishly demanding!

I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.

by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 8, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

I think it was St. Augustine who articulated that Los Angeles is, in fact, not anyplace. It is better described as a removal or turning away from “place.” What we see of “Los Angeles” is only as much of Los Angeles as it is not wholly Los Angeles, for if it were the actual substance of Los Angeles, it would not exist.

I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?

by Ott on Dec 8, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I need to invite you to some of my soirees solely to be interesting.

The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!

by TheLetter2 on Dec 8, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

You had me at “soiree.”

I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?

by Ott on Dec 8, 2010 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Ah! My guests will be thrilled!

/Niles Crane’d

The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!

by TheLetter2 on Dec 8, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I think I would very much like an invitation. I would even have my sideburns trimmed for the occasion.

by wcw on Dec 8, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Bring some chardonnay.

The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!

by TheLetter2 on Dec 8, 2010 1:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Unoaked, of course.

by wcw on Dec 8, 2010 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Aristotle would argue that the substance of Los Angeles is Los Angeles, since it has the form of Los Angeles, and the nature of a substance is its form, so Los Angeles’s nature being Los Angeles (as opposed to a pile of metal, concrete, etc.) implies that the actual substance of Los Angeles is Los Angeles.

Ain't no Posey like a Buster Posey cause a Buster Posey don't stop...hitting.

Giants baseball: We're stupid enough to WIN that (TM)

by quincy0191 on Dec 8, 2010 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

But if Los Angeles is evil, and evil is Los Angeles, then the actual substance of Los Angeles is evilness. And, as St. Augustine so eloquently argued, existence is a good, so insofar as something exists, it is partaking of the good. In order for Los Angeles to fully partake of its substance, it must be fully evil, and as has been demonstrated, that would imply non-existence.

Ergo, Los Angeles does not exist.

I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?

by Ott on Dec 8, 2010 1:17 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Delicious, delicious reason.

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Now that is what I call begging the question.

by wcw on Dec 8, 2010 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Someone used begging the question incorrectly in class the other day

It’s really one of the worst pet peeves to have because most people seriously don’t give a fuck.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on Dec 8, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Doesn’t pretty much everyone use it wrong? Except for grammar nerds on message boards, I mean.

by wcw on Dec 8, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah i never see anyone use it correctly

RAISES THE QUESTION, DAMMIT.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on Dec 8, 2010 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

It begs for the question to be raised.

2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller

by Johnny Disaster on Dec 8, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Hear, here!

Call the question, Mr. Chairman!

May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum

by natteringnabob on Dec 8, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I suggest the absence of a quorum.

by wcw on Dec 8, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Man, the Quorum of 12 is such a hassle. Lee never should have joined.

Placeholder.

by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I much prefer the “mistaken” meaning to the traditional one. Ungainly Latinisms bug me.

by Evan on Dec 8, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Wait, how is this a Latinism?

by wcw on Dec 8, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

uh …

/checks

Yep, it’s a sixteenth-century translation of petitio principii that doesn’t really make sense in contemporary English.

by Evan on Dec 8, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah

the other translation on wiki (“assuming the initial point”) makes much more sense.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup.

But pet peeve away, nerds.

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Greek, not Latin

The original, if you want to reach that far back, is Greek. See Language Log (absolutely a great place) for the definitive history.

The history of “beg the question” — a cavalcade of misleading translations — starts with Aristotle.. The wrong turns started with the translation from Greek to Latin.

I think my use here — in response to some deeply tongue-in-cheek aping of a classical philosopher — was exactly the right place to pull out the never-in-the-everyday official meaning of the phrase.

by wcw on Dec 8, 2010 1:48 PM PST up reply actions  

/bookmarks for later consumption

by Evan on Dec 8, 2010 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

add their RSS feed

I love that place. And that piece concludes with golden advice that I probably will always fail to take (serenity is not my thing):

Never use the phrase yourself — use “assume the conclusion” or “raise the question”, depending on what you mean — and cultivate an attitude of serene detachment in the face of its use by others.

by wcw on Dec 8, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

/bookmarks for later consumption

PANDA, NO!

Charlie Hayes ate my homework

by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 8, 2010 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

That was an interesting read, thanks.

I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?

by Ott on Dec 8, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

You know I was on a lecture tour this weekend on the Christmas story in art at the National Gallery of Art and the curator was talking about the scrolls in Isaiah’s hands and specifically the word “virgio” (in most Western Art Isaiah’s scripture line, “a child will be born of a virgin” is written in Latin, which was the language of the Bible to Catholic Europe), and he mentioned that there are some who think that this is a corrupt translation from the original Hebraic term that only meant “young girl of marriageable age”. Setting aside the whole notion of Matthew’s contorted efforts to connect the gospel story to previous Jewish scriptures, that really could be the mother of all mistranslations, if you’ll excuse the pun, necessitating as it did a whole host of theologisms.

MY DAD WAS WRONG!

by Roger on Dec 8, 2010 3:16 PM PST up reply actions  

And happy Feast of the Immaculate Conception to you, too.

someone with more free time than sense.

Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.

Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.

by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

The Latin Bible

Had much worse mistranslation, but this one sounds a bit far fetched.

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually

Now that I’ve read the quote, I take it back. That word doesn’t mean “virgin” now, and there are no cases of it meaning “virgin” anywhere else in the bible. The counterargument seems to be that the original Greek translation of the bible, which was done by Jews, uses the word “parthenos”, which supposedly means “virgin” (but down blow ott says it can also mean "young girl of marriageable age", in which case I don’t know what to say). Definitely interesting.

By the way – that quote also says the child will be named Immanuel. What’s the standard explanation for that?

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

That last question os sincere

Not snark, in case that’s not clear.

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Immanuel means God with us.

Regards,

Handel

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, yeah

I know that. But Jesus isn’t named “God with us”. That’s what I’m asking.

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Isn't that what he is though?

 I fail to see how that is innacurate.

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

"named" Immanuel

or “called” Immanuel.

pretty big difference.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

The scriptures use teh word "Called" and "Call"

so where are you getting “named”?

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not

Cookyman was

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

No, it specifically says named (or “called his name”, if you want to get literal).

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Because It says his mother will name him Immanuel, and his mother didn’t name him Immanuel (or at least there is no mention of it). I’m not saying it’s inaccurate, I’m asking what’s the standard explanation for that.

Plenty of Hebrew names mean something similar to that – Isaiah and Jesus are both variations of the same name, and mean “God will save”, Elijah means “Yahweh is my god”, etc, John means “God has saved”, etc.

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Is it true that John and Jonathan are essentially the same, or very close?

someone with more free time than sense.

Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.

Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.

by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

No

Well, maybe in a general way.

Jonathan = Yo + Natan = God has given, or God gave.

John = Yo + Hanan = God has saved, or God saved.

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Thank you; I’ll trust you more than those friggin’ baby name websites.

someone with more free time than sense.

Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.

Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.

by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

To me

there is no need to differentiate between Called and “name shall be called.” If you want to get this literal in your analysis of the Bible, it seems to me there are fare more substantial errors. All your doing is denying that the translation of “name shall be called” can’t possibly mean, “mean” or “symbolize”

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

In Cooky’s defense, it’s not in him to deny in a sort of offensive way. When he says he doesn’t understand, I think he usually means it plainly.

someone with more free time than sense.

Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.

Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.

by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 4:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, I’m assuming you’re not doing it intentionally, but you’re twisting my words. I’ve repeatedly said (at least 3 times, by my count) “his mother will name him”, not "his name shall be called". There is a difference. The latter is, indeed, pretty vague, but the former is a clear description of an event. It’s impossible not to interpret is literally.

As you say, if I were really trying to find “substantial errors” in the Bible, this would not be the first place I’d turn to, which I think should prove that I’m NOT just trying to point to errors. I asked a legitimate question. As you say, your “faith doesn’t hinge on detailed beliefs about the conception and birth of Christ”, so there’s no reason to get defensive.

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I think I am reading more defensive than I am writing.

I don’t honestly know in that case.

Aren’t there differences albeit small ones between the Dead Sea Scroll text of Isaiah and the Masoretic text? THis is the type of variation that could have led to a missinterpretation like this. I’m not saying that is what happened, I’ just saying that it is essentially impossible to know by academic deduction that specific texts that we have access to today are verbatim recordings of what was said or written originally. So I can’t be 100% confident in any source from a scientific point of view.

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by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 4:48 PM PST up reply actions  

It depends on whether or not Isaiah, or any of the prophets, are to be taken either literally, and as predictors of future events. The author(s) of Isaiah wouldn’t be high on my list of forecasters, but very high, if not the highest, on my list of inspirers.

In other words, because Isaiah said the Messiah would be called/named Immanuel, didn’t behoove Joseph or Mary to name their son Immanuel. Although I bet there were quite a few Immanuels running around Babylon and the Hasmonean kingdoms named by mothers who hoped their sons would be the Messiah.

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by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, again, much of this lore developed centuries later. Matthew’s the only one that connects the story back to Isaiah, and he’s the only one of the gospel writers who then (to make the connection clear) refers to Christ as Immanuel. Luke, the only other one of the four to tell a nativity story (and does so at much greater length) doesn’t bring this element into the story at all.

Also, the Magi weren’t kings, weren’t three, and probably didn’t arrive for another year or so.

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by Roger on Dec 8, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

This is the problem isn't it?
Well, again, much of this lore developed centuries later.

Lots of corruption (unintentional and otherwise) of what was once pure word and doctrine.

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by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 4:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Also, the Magi weren’t kings, weren’t three, and probably didn’t arrive for another year or so.

Well, that’s only a problem to people who think the Bible is historically accurate and literally true. But who does that.

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by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Way too many people,

unfortunately =(

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by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Of course, don’t go by me, I’m Catholic. I barely read the Bible.

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by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Magi doesn't even occur in the bible.

and the bible no where states that there were three. It is assumed that each brought a gift, gold frankensence and myrh but nowhere do the gospels cite three wise men.

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by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 4:27 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s part of the tradition, although not the sacred tradition; the aggregation of practice, cult, and myth that accrued to the new, and later only official, religion of the Empire. I always thought the “three kings” story was one of the least problematic of these tales. Gold for the king, frankincense for the priest, myrhh for the dead man …

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by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree, it's not really that important to debate

as it is not definitively referenced in the Bible. I think there were probably 3 “wise men” but it really doesn’t matter.

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by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Matthew 2:1 "Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem … there came wise men from the East to Jerusalem saying “Where is he who is born King of the Jews?”

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by Roger on Dec 8, 2010 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

In Matthew, the Angel tells Joseph to name his son Jesus, for he shall save his people from their sins, and then later the author notes the prophesy to being named Immanuel for the Lord is with us. Those are two related concepts I guess, but as I say below, it’s always bothered me a bit as well.

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by Roger on Dec 8, 2010 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

But it’s only a problem if someone were making all of this up and just made a mess of his references!

;)

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by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

For people that aren’t overly religious or who can take biblical criticism with a grain of salt [you’d be surprised at the number of people who take such things as a personal affront] I’d recommend tracking down a copy of Randel Helms book “Gospel Fictions.”

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by Merope on Dec 8, 2010 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I've seen a lot of things on this site

and it’s getting hard for us to find new ground, but here we are. McC biblical scholars represent’n.

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by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 5:43 PM PST up reply actions  

The Messiah has probably a dozen or so names throughout the Bible.

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by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

So like…Eugenio Velez, nicknames, and the McCoven.

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by Merope on Dec 8, 2010 4:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I learned somewhere that the term “virgin” in the context used in the bible was the female equivalent of “bachelor” but something got added in the translation.

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by Merope on Dec 8, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I admittedly don’t know what I’m talking about, but I imagine that “bachelorette” and “virgin” were expected to be at least a little synonymous at the time (Remember kids: Don’t have sex before marriage. Or, at least, not vaginally).

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

In General, yes

But not if the woman had been raped (which is more than once the case in the Bible).

After Dinah had been raped (Genesis 34), she is still referred to as a “parthenos” in the original Greek translation, which does show the word did not literally mean “virgin”.

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 5:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Honestly, I think the entirely theory may well stem from the exclusive nature of the English word, with nary an authoritative comment on either the Hebrew, Greek, or Latin. Virgin has a limited definition in English – I think that limitation is being projected backwards. The fact that the theology developed in spite of any possible confusion suggests it wasn’t just the word that gave rise to it.

As regards “Immanuel”: Isaiah (and the other prophets) often used names in more than just a limited “what you call that person” sense. It’s essentially a poetic way of saying “God will be with us when this happens.”

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by Ott on Dec 8, 2010 4:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, geez. Entire, not entirely. I have enough problem keeping extra adverbs out of my speech without adding more by stupid spelling errors.

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by Ott on Dec 8, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm in this line.

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by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I speak Hebrew. If I am making a mistake, it’s not because of the exclusive nature of the English word.

Also, as I said above, the quote says that his mother will name him Immanuel.

Look, Christianity has been around for 2,000, it’s not like I’m vein enough to think I’ve somehow debunked it now using my amazing “looking things up on Google skills”. I just noticed something interesting and wondered if someone knows an explanation.

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by gallo del cielo on Dec 8, 2010 9:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I certainly wasn’t trying to discount your knowledge. As you may imagine I run across the latter scenario you described far more often than I run across people that know Hebrew.

At any rate, the same word used for “name him Immanuel” is used two chapters later to name him “Wonderful, Counselor, the mighty God” etc. I’m pretty sure it’s poetic description – I could be wrong, of course.

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by Ott on Dec 8, 2010 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Again with the hall of famer on this one.

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by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ve always understood all of Isaiah, and most of the prophets, either in poetic or in journalistic, Julian Assange-type, terms.

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by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

At any rate, the same word used for "name him Immanuel" is used two chapters later to name him "Wonderful, Counselor, the mighty God" etc.

I’m going to have to ask for a quote/link. That doesn’t sound possible to me.

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 4:29 PM PST up reply actions  

The part that confuses me about the “his mother shall name him Immanuel” issue is that she doesn’t name him Immanuel, she names him Jesus. Not knowing Hebrew or Greek I have to ask, is the same word being used in the original for both “Immaneul” and “Jesus”? I’ve always assumed that they both translated to something like Lord is with us and that’s why the two different names isn’t an issue, but I must say it bothers me somewhat.

It also bothers me that the Jesse/House of David geneology leads to Joseph and not to Mary, but I guess nobody else is ever really bothered by that one.

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by Roger on Dec 8, 2010 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

is the same word being used in the original for both "Immaneul" and "Jesus"? I’ve always assumed that they both translated to something like Lord is with us

That’s a no on both.

Immanuel = Immanoo (with us) + El (god; and that’s intentionally lowercased).

It’s a rare Anglicization of a Hebrew name in that it’s near perfect phonetically. Jesus, on the other hand, not so much:

Jesus = Yehoshooa = Yeho (God; intentionally upercased) + Sha (has saved, saved).

The meaning is different, and there are no common words.

It also bothers me that the Jesse/House of David geneology leads to Joseph and not to Mary

Biblical genealogy always goes from father to son. When a woman marries a man, she is no longer part of her father’s family, but of her husband’s family.

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 4:47 PM PST up reply actions  

It has nothing about his mother, certainly, but here‘s a Bible passage site with Isaiah 9 (verse 6 is the relevant one), here’s a online lexicon for the word shem, which it says is used there. Searching that site leads me here, with the list of places where that is used, on the relevant page.

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by Ott on Dec 8, 2010 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Ah.

As I said above, there is a difference between “his name will be called” (which is what you linked to), and “she will call his name” (which is what’s in the quote about Immanuel).

One is fairly vague, the other is a clear description of an event.

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Amongst all these translations

name couldn’t mean title?

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by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 4:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Technically, yes

But "his mother will call his title" is meaningless; "his mother will call his name" is both a simple and logical sentence, and an extreeeeeeeeeemely common phrase in the bible.

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 5:02 PM PST up reply actions  

This is true. But we do have situations in our culture where a name is given that is intentionally not the person’s actual name. “Danger is my middle name” says the hero in the pulp western. I’m not saying that has to be what is going on, but it’s possible for the language in the sentence to be unambiguous, and the larger context indicate something else. Given poetic patterns in the prophets, I wouldn’t feel we are restricted to a mother giving her child it’s (to use an anachronism) Christian name, although it’s certainly possible to argue the point.

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by Ott on Dec 8, 2010 4:58 PM PST up reply actions  

But "Danger is my middle name" is not at all similar to the sentence we’re talking about. The appropriate comparison is “his mother called his name Danger”, or “his mother named him Danger”, and it both cases it really would mean that his mother named him Danger.

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 5:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Bat maybe what was really said was

“His mother said he is dangerouse” and it was ll just a clerical error…

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by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 5:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Well

Obviously that’s an answer to any question about any part of any text – it’s possible that it wasn’t there originally.

Generally, though, religions try to offer better answers than that, because an answer like that only creates bigger questions – if that’s not what it said, what did it say? Could be anything.

Roger says that Matthew does refer to Jesus as Immanuel occasionally, which does show (or imply) that Christianity acknowledges that Jesus was, or “should” have been, named Immanuel. I wasn’t aware of that, and it does answer my question, at least partially.

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 5:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Generally, though, religions try to offer better answers than that, because an answer like that only creates bigger questions – if that’s not what it said, what did it say? Could be anything.

This is the problem.

This is the genius of Mormonism. The church teaches it’s doctrine but always leaves these answers to the individual, without reservation, because the church taking an official stand on these details is not what is going to build your faith. This whole thing about beliefe hinging on minutiae which are ancilary to core truths, products of history (for better or worse) and subject to corruption is foreign to me.

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by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 5:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually, that was poorly expressed by me. Matthew never again calls Jesus Immanuel again after the verse in the nativity story where he’s connecting the story back to Isaiah. In fact, nowhere else in the gospels is that name used, and I think it’s only used 3 times in the entire Bible. The answer to your question seems to be that Matthew is making a theological rather than literal connection to the Isaiah story (and really, that story if read in its entirety, the story of Azaz, pretty clearly has nothing to do with any Jesus and Mary coming hundreds of years later).

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by Roger on Dec 8, 2010 5:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, it isn’t entirely separate. The point is that, looking at only the sentence (without the surrounding cultural framework) you would think his name was Danger. We, of course, know the context so there’s no way we would make that mistake.

The question at hand is if there is a similar construct in the Bible. I honestly don’t have the time to go into it at the moment; I’ve already lost a bit of play time with my son, and these Christmas cookies don’t eat themselves!

I would like to give you a fuller answer, but since I can’t, I’ll just suggest that if you look deeper at some of the prophets you’ll find that there is an argument for poetic tradition that can surpass certain grammatic inferences. If you are really interested in looking further, use a reference site to poke around in Jeremiah and Ezekiel for similar naming patterns.

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by Ott on Dec 8, 2010 5:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I feel confident saying that there is not a single case in the entire Bible of this phrase or pattern used in any way that is not literal. It’s so literal that it’s practically redundant (“called his name”, rather than “called him”).

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 6:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Fine, I'll use a concordance

The exact phrase used in the quote about Immanuel (“shall call his name”, “vekarat shmo”) appears only twice in the Bible (because most of the bible is in past tense), in the quote we’re discussing, and in Genesis 16 11, in which God tell Ishmael’s mother to name him Ishmael; ishmael is, indeed, named Ishamel, so we know that’s literal.

If we search for it in past tense (“she called his name”, “vetikrah shmo”) We find:

Genesis:
19 37
19 38
29 32
29 33
30 8
30 18
35 18

Exodus:
2 10

1 Chronicles:
7 13

In all these cases, the phrase is as literall as can be (this includes the part where Moses is named Moses, where Simon is named Simon, where Reuben is named Reuben, etc.).

I could look for other Hebrew variations (or search for “called his name” in an English concordance), but I assure you, there is not a single case in which it is not literal.

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 6:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Look out! He's gotten out his concordance!!

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by gallo del cielo on Dec 8, 2010 9:23 PM PST up reply actions  

All right, well, now that the kids are in bed I’ve got a couple of references I can point you to.

5 " Behold, the days are coming," says the LORD,

      " That I will raise to David a Branch of righteousness;
      A King shall reign and prosper,
      And execute judgment and righteousness in the earth.
       6 In His days Judah will be saved,
      And Israel will dwell safely;
      Now this is His name by which He will be called:

      THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.[a]

-Jeremiah 23:5-6
30 "These are the exits of the city. On the north side, measuring four thousand five hundred cubits 31 (the gates of the city shall be named after the tribes of Israel), the three gates northward: one gate for Reuben, one gate for Judah, and one gate for Levi; 32 on the east side, four thousand five hundred cubits, three gates: one gate for Joseph, one gate for Benjamin, and one gate for Dan; 33 on the south side, measuring four thousand five hundred cubits, three gates: one gate for Simeon, one gate for Issachar, and one gate for Zebulun; 34 on the west side, four thousand five hundred cubits with their three gates: one gate for Gad, one gate for Asher, and one gate for Naphtali. 35 All the way around shall be eighteen thousand cubits; and the name of the city from that day shall be: THE LORD IS THERE."[b] -Ezekiel 48: 30-35

In the first case Jeremiah is obviously looking forward in a similar way to Isaiah, but I think the passage is meant a certain way. It’s emphasizing the relationship between this descendent of David and the people of God – I don’t think it’s meant to say his name is actually going to be “Yahoweh-tsidkenu.” (Forgive the rough Anglicizing, my Hebrew never took, what little I had)

The second passage is, I think, undeniably allegorical. Ezekiel is describing a future Jerusalem, and doing so in obviously poetic terms. There’s no expectation that Jerusalem is going to be renamed Yahoweh-shammah.

There are other cases, too, where prophets use names in less than literal ways – when Jeremiah renames the priest that beat him and threw him in prison from “Freedom” to “Terror on every side.” Then he refers to him by his given name again a few lines later – obviously the “renaming” was not meant to actually rename, it was a comment on the person.

There’s also the beginning of Hosea, where Hosea is instructed to name several kids names, and each one is named something significant like “You are not my people.” I don’t think it is necessarily a given that it was the name the kid carried the rest of his life, although the prophets tended to be pretty serious guys so it may well have been.

But you get the idea – names are often bestowed in the prophets, and the emphasis is almost always the meaning of the name and the message it sends.

As I’ve said, if you land on the other side of this, that’s fine by me. Maybe the mother thing tips it for you, I don’t know. There is a strong tradition in other places of the Bible (mostly historical books) of mothers having kids and giving them significant names. For me, I think there’s a pretty clear case for a poetic meaning.

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by Ott on Dec 8, 2010 10:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I just don’t think it’s that relevant – the phrase “his mother named him”, appears, in different variations, at least 30 times in the Bible (and I would not surprised if it’s in the hundreds).

In every single one of these cases, the meaning is literal. Every single one, without any exceptions. So if, when Isaiah talked of naming Immanuel, he was trying to be poetic, he was simply using a phrase that had never, ever, been used that way before, and that would never be used that way again.

Yes, it’s technically possible, but there is simply no reason to think that he was not being literal.

by Cookyman on Dec 9, 2010 6:32 AM PST up reply actions  

If it is indeed correct

that the translation of “name shall be called” could only be defined as ones first name, then I don’t have an answer for you. I don’t believe that spirituality or faith come from knowing the academics of the Bible. And I’m cool with that.

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by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

If Iasaiah was wasting his energy prophesying that

teh Messiah would be born of a "young girl of marriageable age" he was wasting his time. I could prophesy that the greatest future leader of teh human race will be born to a woman, which is essentially what “Young girl of marriagable age” would mean today.

I’m not catholic, and my faith doesn’t hinge on detailed beliefs about the conception and birth of Christ, but that sounds like a pretty lame attempt to stir disbelief in the faithful.

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by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

greatest future leader of teh human race will be born to a woman

NOT IF SHE’S A CYLON!

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by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I should say, not to disparage an academic, that it was no attempt on anybody’s part. He mentioned that “virgio” might not mean virgin, and I mused on the rest. As for Isaiah, it’s important to understand that his relationship to the gospels is almost entirely the result of the tortured efforts of Matthew to attach the significance of the gospel story to its Jewish roots. There’s no solid reason to believe that Isaiah was attempting to prophesize the Christ nativity. Most of Matthew’s noted “prophecies” either don’t exist or are significantly twisted from their original context.

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by Roger on Dec 8, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

so, just like PMD prophecies today?

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by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

EPMD?

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by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Post- menstrual … ?

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by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Pre-Millennial Dispensationalist

the “Rapture Ready” / Left Behind crowd.

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by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh. Them folk. Wouldn’t know, kinda scared.

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by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

basically

they “take the bible literally” by plucking seemingly random passages from their context and calling them prophecy.

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by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

really good

extensive takedown of that theology in the Left Behind section here:

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by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 4:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I know, Vil, I know. I’m just colorfully dismissing them. My prerogative if I had followed my mother’s dream, and become a Cardinal.

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by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m not familiar with other churches, but I don’t recall being told that Isaiah was predicting the birth of Jesus; that was a belief that came afterwards to those who believed he was, after all, the Messiah, though different than what had been expected.

I don’t think you’re giving the evangelist of the St. Matthew gospel enough credit in his attempt to reach out to the Jewish audience.

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by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

most of the gospels were written well after the events they describe. Well after. Like ~100 years after.

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by Merope on Dec 8, 2010 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t recall that as true. John was the latest and it was extant at AD 70 I think. Of course, it’s been ages since school and Wikipedia hasn’t been the most trustworthy source when studying the Abrahamic religions.

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by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 4:11 PM PST up reply actions  

the gospels

were written from approx. 65AD to 105AD, with Mark coming first, and John coming last, with the “Q” document, which, in theory, was used in the writings of Matthew and Luke, being written around 65

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Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought that the Q document was borrowed by Mark and then Matthew and Luke both used parts of Mark possibly without knowing the Q document. And I thought there was perhaps a second document with just the “sayings of Christ” that was used as a source. But I will say, it’s been a long time since I took those courses.

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by Roger on Dec 8, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

And then there was the Book of James which is one of the Apocrypha and works its way into a lot of the lore. But I don’t really know when that was supposed ot have been written.

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by Roger on Dec 8, 2010 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

no one does

depends on which James wrote it.

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by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Most likely no James wrote it, just like Judas didn’t write the Book of Judas or Thomas the Book fo Thomas.

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by Roger on Dec 8, 2010 5:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Geez, next you’ll be telling us that Whitey didn’t write the Book of Eli, either.

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by EliminateMe on Dec 8, 2010 6:16 PM PST up reply actions  

He might have; but Eli certainly didn’t.

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by Roger on Dec 8, 2010 6:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Still not sure how to take the existence of the book of Q. I mean, analysis seems to indicate a prior source …

What I more recently found fascinating was the source-crit analysis of the Pentateuch with the whole Deuteronomy issue.

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Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.

by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 4:27 PM PST up reply actions  

There, that’s what I seem to remember. Thank you for the correction.

It was an epistle, either one of Paul’s or the ones of James, Jude, or Peter, which was the eldest extant Christian testimony, I think. I mean, heck, there was no official compilation of the New Testament until the fourth century.

someone with more free time than sense.

Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.

Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.

by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Although the dozens of dozens of non-authorized gospels, sure, those were being written all the time. Fanfic.

someone with more free time than sense.

Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.

Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.

by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Well

It’s not like showed up, said “some woman will make a baby ya’ll” and disappeared. That sentence is part of a pretty long speech.

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Also

In case you’re interested, this isn’t some argument a sceptical Atheist came up with a few years ago to disprove the New Testament. Apparently it’s a common, and pretty old argument by Jewish Scholars against the idea of Christ as the messiah.

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 5:29 PM PST up reply actions  

That makes sense.

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 5:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Cookyman, I’m lost in the uni-margin replies. Who is your “you’re” there, and what is your “this”?

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by Roger on Dec 8, 2010 5:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Press “up” and you’ll find out!

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by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 6:19 PM PST up reply actions  

What El Person said

I’m replying to Cody, and the “is” is the argument that Isaiah speaks of a young woman, not of a virgin (and therefore not of Jesus).

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 6:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Interesting notion. But both the Latin term virgo and the Greek term parthenos could both hold that “young girl of marriageable age” connotation, and yet the theology developed anyway. Whatever you may think about the origins of the theology, I don’t think you can fairly say it was just a misunderstood linguistic nuance.

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by Ott on Dec 8, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

With you on this one. The thing is, it makes literal sense the wrong way. So, you know, dealwithit.gif.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

the pet peeve I have that EVERYONE gets wrong

Is the distinction between ‘everyday’ and ‘every day.’

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by jcb9 on Dec 8, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh man, I went on about a three-week long crusade over that. It’s not just that one word. It’s an entire noun/adjective world. And it bugs me so much.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I really hate when I have to run the gauntlet of people who don’t know the difference between “gauntlet” and “gamut”.

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by natteringnabob on Dec 8, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

You should start throwing down the gamut when that happens.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmm, I think you mean “throwing up the gauntlet”, and I’m tempted.

May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum

by natteringnabob on Dec 8, 2010 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

One’s a Clint Eastwood movie and the other isn’t. Duh.

“Gantlet,” though, is nothing but trouble.

by Evan on Dec 8, 2010 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s a small Ron Gant, right?

GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool

by groug on Dec 8, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

How are Ron and all the little Gantlets?

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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 8, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

They’re a little gaunt, not fed enough I guess.

May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum

by natteringnabob on Dec 8, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

They just gant get enough.

by Evan on Dec 8, 2010 1:48 PM PST up reply actions  

OMG DREAMY

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by jcb9 on Dec 8, 2010 1:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I used to love Stadium Club cards.

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by jhiat00 on Dec 8, 2010 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

The Noun/Adjective World! That place smells like ass!

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-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Lately, lead/led has been bugging me.

Comma use is a fucking monster in this country, too. It sucks being in a writing program and reading peer work where people use commas as “breathing stops” – or worse: as “random punctuation”.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Do you mean, to say, that commas aren’t, simply for, decorative purposes?

The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!

by TheLetter2 on Dec 8, 2010 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

ow my brain

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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

reading that sentence aloud

makes you sound like Stevie from Malcom in the Middle.

I remember a while back there was a poster here who used ellipses to similar effect.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Misuse of elipses bugs me to no end.

In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.

by cornball on Dec 8, 2010 4:48 PM PST up reply actions  

See, I know you were joking, but real people actually do use commas like this and think that it’s right.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, I agree completely. I remember having to evaluate papers in my freshman English Comp class and being slightly appalled at the basic quality of the grammar. It was really something.

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by TheLetter2 on Dec 8, 2010 1:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Do you have thoughts on New Yorker-style comma usage, in which they throw commas around any phrase that could possibly be interpreted as nonrestrictive? It suddenly started bothering me lately.

by Evan on Dec 8, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t know that I’ve seen it a lot, but it does sound annoying.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 1:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I like this. I like commas. I also like semicolons, which are out of fashion right now.

by Monkeyking42 on Dec 8, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s odd; I never noticed such a trend.

The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!

by TheLetter2 on Dec 8, 2010 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

The trend is real — nowadays, it’s all about your dashes and such.

by wcw on Dec 8, 2010 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Someone — preferably Congress — needs to step in and take decisive action to stop this wanton abuse of the language!

The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!

by TheLetter2 on Dec 8, 2010 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Ooh, this is another thing. Some old people prefer not to put spaces around their dashes (not hyphens, but dashes). As in:

“This is what I’m thinking—and hear me out—is we set this place on fire.”

Which is obviously madness. Different words should be separated by spaces, regardless of the size of the punctuation involved.

by Monkeyking42 on Dec 8, 2010 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

So you’re saying we shouldn’t set the place on fire.

The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!

by TheLetter2 on Dec 8, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Unless there’s nothing left to burn.

by wcw on Dec 8, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Burn away. I will come put it out.

Then point to the guy behind you as the one who did it.

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by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ve seen this done quite a bit in print, but I’ve never bothered to find a consensus on the issue. I, for one, enjoy putting spaces on either side of the dash.

Of all grammar and punctuation silliness, though, I’ve just never cared enough about all the different kinds of dashes to look it up. There must be a practical reason for an em dash or an en dash or a two-dash or whatever to exist as a VERY SPECIFIC THING, but I never saw it. Hyphens and dashes make sense to me. One connects words. One connect clauses. I’ve never seen an example that makes going deeper than that necessary.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Unless I’m mistaken, HTS, the dash distinctions are largely about typesetting and not grammar. But I confess that’s an assumption I’ve never bothered to check. I graduated from a pretty good English undergraduate program and have written and edited professionally, and it has never come up.

by Monkeyking42 on Dec 8, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

That certainly makes sense.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Monkey . . .

is correct. But certain practices become common then become proper.

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by gallo del cielo on Dec 8, 2010 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m a stickler for correct dashing, even though I’m aware that it doesn’t make sense at all. I just think it looks better. I’m kind of weird, I guess.

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by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

This comes from the different way of forming dashes, though. Two hyphens—like this—make a dash. A space, hyphen, then a space – example – also makes a dash.

At least, these are the two I know. Could be others…

by WesHanson on Dec 8, 2010 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I was just going to say it's all em dashes these days.

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by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

How do you feel about

punctuation outside of the quotation marks.

ex.
Didn’t Sabean once have to say, in an interview, “I am not an idiot”?

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

One of the few things that Britain does right.

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, the British way makes more sense if you think about it. That’s one of those things that’s become so ingrained for me that I don’t think about the sense of it.

by Monkeyking42 on Dec 8, 2010 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I actually thought about it once while writing

and started doing it that way even though it didn’t look right at first. Looks a lot more normal now.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Even in American Standard, it would be 100% incorrect to put the question mark inside the quote there.

The American Standard of punctuating inside the quote when it does not damage the grammar of the quoted material is harmless, if confusing.

Generally, I actually prefer the punctuation outside the quote. It’s not necessarily more correct. It’s just more consistent.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 3:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Outside

Unless the quotation marks contain a full sentence/question. “These quotes contain a full sentence.” Of course, “these do not”.

In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.

by cornball on Dec 8, 2010 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

That makes perfect sense.

Unfortunately, we’re talking about grammar here.

Sorry I couldn’t be in this from the beginning.

/damned job/

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by gallo del cielo on Dec 8, 2010 9:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Am; I—doing; it— right?!

by WesHanson on Dec 8, 2010 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

TWHS

The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.

Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.

by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

She needs to learn to speak more coherently…

by WesHanson on Dec 8, 2010 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

i think he says that more often than her

The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.

Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.

by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m looking for equality in this ill-defined and imaginary relationship!

by WesHanson on Dec 8, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

then tie the knot!! that’s the only way you’re getting half!!!

The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.

Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.

by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I do like it.

Should I put a ring on it?

by WesHanson on Dec 8, 2010 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

TWTW

(that’s what they wondered)

The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.

Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.

by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Acronyms all over the place! It’s sticky… (there’s the set)

by WesHanson on Dec 8, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

i think he says that more often than her

she>her

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by gallo del cielo on Dec 8, 2010 9:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I use semicolons all the time.

"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"

by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

will you just semicolon already? geez

The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.

Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.

by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I do as well.

I love them. It makes me sad when the New Yorker goes on one of its semi-annual crusades against them.

In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.

by cornball on Dec 8, 2010 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

They do? I am appalled!

someone with more free time than sense.

Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.

Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.

by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 4:54 PM PST up reply actions  

No they don’t. Why do you say this?

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by gallo del cielo on Dec 8, 2010 9:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I tend to over punctuate. My use of hyphens (I believe they belong in all compound modifiers, except in case of adverbs) is the subject of great debate at work.

by Dan from NM on Dec 8, 2010 5:49 PM PST up reply actions  

There’s no good reason not to put them in a compound modifier.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 6:11 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s what I think. But some of my editors believe the hyphen should be left out unless the meaning is unclear otherwise.

by Dan from NM on Dec 8, 2010 6:38 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s a clash of modern practices. Both schools of thought have reason. I’m with Howie here, but I understand the other school.

(The compound modifier should be before the noun, however.)

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by gallo del cielo on Dec 8, 2010 9:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh! And extra spaces after full stops. Okay, I don’t like when people do two spaces after a full stop, but I can accept it, even though it’s dumb. But three, four… I’ve seen up to six spaces! At what point does a person just start feeling silly?

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 1:48 PM PST up reply actions  

"full stops"

What, are you British now!?

A similar thing I’ve noticed with my students, though, is that a lot of them either don’t bother to indent their paragraphs, or they do so with a single tiny space.

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by jcb9 on Dec 8, 2010 1:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Indentation is so 20th century.

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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 8, 2010 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't mind that so much

as long as there is another way to separate the paragraphs, like an extra line break.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, they don’t do that either.

Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!

by jcb9 on Dec 8, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

so it's just a wall of text?

oh God that sounds terrible.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

“tl:dr,” written in red ink.

Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!

by jhiat00 on Dec 8, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Seriously.

If someone handed something like that to me, I wouldn’t read it.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

There's a point

where the presentation is so bad that the content doesn’t matter.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Page after page . . .

of On the Road . . . or Absalom Absalom.

He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.

by gallo del cielo on Dec 8, 2010 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey, what’s not to like about either of those books?

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 9:50 PM PST up reply actions  

ohmygodwhatisthatidon’tevenknow

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Well I guess they aren’t even really writing at that point.

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

The thing is, if you’re trying to make your page limit and have already 2.15 spaced the lines and 1.15 inched all the margins, and downloaded that font of Times New Roman that is actually just a little bigger than standard, and you’re still not hitting that darn sixth page, putting in the extra line breaks will get you there.

Don’t cheat space on an essay that you’re turning into a student who has been doing it longer than you. Just make the fucking page limit.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ve had a few people who’ve turned in final drafts of papers at like half the minimum required length.

Sucks for them!

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Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!

by jcb9 on Dec 8, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Jaded kids today don’t even try to fenagle the margins.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

A lot of them do seem to be excessively honest: they’ll tell me, say, that they stopped doing the readings halfway through the semester because they didn’t think I used the readings enough in class, or that they missed a class that starts at 12:20 PM twice in two weeks because they overslept, etc. WHY ARE YOU TELLING ME THESE THINGS!?

Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!

by jcb9 on Dec 8, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

If only you understood!!

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s like the sin is absolved if they just confess it.

I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?

by Ott on Dec 8, 2010 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh god. That sounds awful. Do they do two returns to indicate a paragraph break? Because you can blame the Internet for that one.

I actually like “full stop” better than “period”. It’s so damn literal. And it makes me think of telegrams.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

you can blame the internet for single spacing too

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Psh. You can blame common sense for single spacing between sentences.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

What are you, French?

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Insane. What is this new fad where people want to make things more difficult to read?

by Monkeyking42 on Dec 8, 2010 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Have you ever read Mann in the original German and thought, ‘why exactly did German decide to put the verb at the end in the 16th Century?’

I have.

by wcw on Dec 8, 2010 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Isn’t that a big of part of Kafka’s Metamorphosis?

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Compared to Mann, Kafka is almost monosyllabic. It was reading Kafka that gave me the idea I could handle Mann in the original. I have rarely been more thuddingly incorrect.

by wcw on Dec 8, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ve read that it is.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

IIRC

In the original, the first sentence ends with the verb (“turned into”, or whatever it is), which makes it much more dramatic.

It works in some other languages too, but not in English.

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Single spacing between sentences makes it harder to read? Well, I never…

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Using a blank line works well on a computer, I think, but it looks dumb in print.

Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!

by jcb9 on Dec 8, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with this

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I love the phrase, ‘full stop’. It works better than ‘period’ when used rhetorically, full stop.

by wcw on Dec 8, 2010 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Ooooo, I like this.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

And it makes you sound like a 1930s telegraph operator!

by Monkeyking42 on Dec 8, 2010 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

When I dictate a breaking story over the phone to the newsroom, I always read out the punctuation and paragraph breaks. Makes me feel important.

by Dan from NM on Dec 8, 2010 5:52 PM PST up reply actions  

In print, that makes sense. But for broadcast it’s less useful.

In fact, that was a running joke in the newsroom. I would edit a script not just for clarity, but for grammar. Inevitably, someone would say, “But they won’t hear the comma on the radio!”

The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!

by TheLetter2 on Dec 9, 2010 7:09 AM PST up reply actions  

The two-space thing is left over from typewriting school, isn’t it?

I have to admit, I’m wedded to real quote marks as opposed to foot- and inch- marks, but I’m told that level of typographic nicety is outdated in the Webbed world. Like indents instead of spaces between paragraphs.

someone with more free time than sense.

Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.

Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.

by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

The practice still lurks in some dark corners of academia. I always took the extra spaces out when people would submit newscast copy to me. It didn’t make a whole lot of sense to leave them in.

The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!

by TheLetter2 on Dec 8, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I still double-space after sentences. You cannot stop me.

by wcw on Dec 8, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

As do I. I don’t care what Microsoft decided to do with it’s paper-clip naggy software. I HONOR THE SPIRIT OF MY TYPING TEACHER!

May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum

by natteringnabob on Dec 8, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Then you're out of the newscast. Get your things and go home.

The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!

by TheLetter2 on Dec 8, 2010 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

/sharpens talons menacingly and glares at Letter2

He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.

by gallo del cielo on Dec 8, 2010 9:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I write manuscripts in 12-pt Courier, double-spaced, with 1-inch margins on all sides and an indent of 0.5 inch at the beginning of each paragraph. One time I tried the double-period thing but I kept forgetting as I never went to typing school.

someone with more free time than sense.

Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.

Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.

by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

HTML can though

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Non-breaking spaces used to be a nightmare at my old work.

Useful in their own right, but fucking obnoxious outside of their jurisdiction.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

When editing for print, I had to remove the second space after a period. When submitting fiction manuscripts, two spaces is standard. It varies still.

When posting on the interwebs, I always appreciate a 2nd space, because I find it easier to read.

by Monkeyking42 on Dec 8, 2010 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Although this only applies to email and some forums, because most blogs and such take out the 2nd period anyway. Fascists.

by Monkeyking42 on Dec 8, 2010 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

blame HTML

automatically removes all extra whitespace, and with good reason. Though you can re-insert it by adding a & nbsp ; (with no spaces) after your space

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Every now and then I come across someone saying the old typewriter-style manuscripts no longer matter to editors. It’s tempting but I don’t want to believe them.

someone with more free time than sense.

Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.

Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.

by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

2x spacing blows goats

-sincerely publication designer

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Gallo . . .

will kill your pet goat one night.

He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.

by gallo del cielo on Dec 8, 2010 9:55 PM PST up reply actions  

The thing is, somebody learned that it was the right way to do it way back when it was necessary to do it, and then they taught their kids that it was the right way to do it, who taught there kids that it was the right way to do it, who taught their kids that it was the right way to do it, and now everybody just thinks that it’s the right way to do it even though it’s technically senseless.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

makes sense in monospace fonts

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

It doesn’t even make sense that a bigger space needs to go between sentences. The full stop tells you everything you need to know about the sentences being separate. A space, one, singular, in and of itself, regardless of size, is perfectly sufficient to do the rest of the work. Asking for more than that is the point where you stop talking about grammar and start talking about interior design.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

/sobbing

I LOVE YOU GRAMMAR!!!

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

a full stop

is tiny, and hard to see with some character combinations. A larger space is a handy visual cue.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

So is the first word of the next sentence being capped.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I just think it's easier to read

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, I’m not going to keep being a jerk about it, and there’s no point to argue with you. I just consider it to be design and not grammar. If a graphic designer or a typesetter or whoever had made a full stop in TNR or Arial or whatever more than a pixel wide, we might not be having this conversation.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

AH, IN YOUR FACE, VILLIPHIED!

by Dan from NM on Dec 8, 2010 5:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I adore your command of grammatical rules. Though I believe you and I still disagree on usage of Oxford commas.

The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!

by TheLetter2 on Dec 8, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

are you furit or againnit

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Against. I do not use them.

The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!

by TheLetter2 on Dec 8, 2010 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

then I'm with Howie

Annihilate Ambiguity!

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s situation. Sometimes they can be really effective.

by WesHanson on Dec 8, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I went to the store to buy milk, shake and bake and bubble gum.

That’s not the most elegant example, and Shake and Bake should be capped, and it might have a n’ instead of an and, which is why it’s not the most elegant example, but damn it all another comma would still be good there!

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

In my essay, I quoted my parents, Charles Manson and Adolf Hitler.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

rec’d,

May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum

by natteringnabob on Dec 8, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

That works.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

From which birth canal did you emerge?

2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller

by Johnny Disaster on Dec 8, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll leave that

as an exercise for the reader.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Ooh, good point. I was taught to be against the serial comma, but that’s a good problem you got there.

by Dan from NM on Dec 8, 2010 5:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I remain anti-Oxford comma. When you have to twist yourself in knots to find a problem with its absence, it’s probably not so useful.

by wcw on Dec 8, 2010 7:38 PM PST up reply actions  

My usual breakfast is coffee, bacon and eggs and toast

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 7:41 PM PST up reply actions  

plus

when read aloud, a comma makes things sound much better.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 7:42 PM PST up reply actions  

There is no problem there. Unless you like straight bacon accompanying eggs on toast, in which case all the serial commas in the will neither solve your problems nor clean out your arteries.

by wcw on Dec 8, 2010 8:06 PM PST up reply actions  

This.

My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.

by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 8:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Jeepers. Having read three books per bedtime aloud to Mister Toddler the last few years, I feel I can authoritatively state that commas do not shape a spoken sentence.

by wcw on Dec 8, 2010 8:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Sadly, the “breathing stop” or “reading pause” “definition” of a comma is one of the primary reasons it gets misused so much. It often functions in a way that helps you time pauses when reading, but it’s function is as a visual organizer. It’s one case where the function isn’t actually to represent speech directly. There is no point of actual speech that translates to “comma”. It’s a purely written convention.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 8:38 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL YOU SAID IT'S INSTEAD OF ITS

"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"

by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 8:39 PM PST up reply actions  

ACK AN APOSTROPHE INVADED MY COMMENT.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 8:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I think

this really says more about the way people speak than the function of a comma.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 8:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Not sure I follow you.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 8:57 PM PST up reply actions  

People commonly pause unnecessarily when speaking.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 8:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t think we’re necessarily in disagreement. The comma is hardly ever taught to children by its function anymore. It’s taught as a “speaking pause.” So people insert them in stupid places.

But the actual function of the comma has nothing to do with that, though in practice it does occasionally work out as a good place to pause when reading.

I mean, we’re not disagreeing anywhere, right? Because if we are then I’m just confused again.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 9:03 PM PST up reply actions  

No, I don’t think we are. I think that it’s taught as a “pause” because that’s an easier way to think of it, especially for kids who don’t grasp grammar well.

Unfortunately, you’re right, people will often throw them about willy nilly because in addition to not really knowing how to write, they don’t know how to speak.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 9:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Okay, cool.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 9:21 PM PST up reply actions  

There are blurred lines here.

These comments move so fast I feel like I am back in the old IRC days. It can feel more like speaking than writing. I know I developed a writing your speech style back then, and I can feel it creep in here.

Finally a signature worth having:

Fan of the World Champion San Francisco Giants.

by fierrpawz on Dec 8, 2010 9:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Do I have to break out my Strunk

to participate in MCC during the offseason?

Please say it isn’t so.

Finally a signature worth having:

Fan of the World Champion San Francisco Giants.

by fierrpawz on Dec 8, 2010 7:28 PM PST up reply actions  

LOLELEMENTSOFSTYLE

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 8:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I had teachers in both HS and College

 torture me with that book.

Finally a signature worth having:

Fan of the World Champion San Francisco Giants.

by fierrpawz on Dec 8, 2010 9:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure there’s nothing wrong with that book. I just wanted to give you a hard time.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 9:06 PM PST up reply actions  

hard time received.

It was used in a knife to a gun fight way.

Obviously when comparing the Oxford use of commas to some other use of commas, the conversation has moved beyond Strunk & White.

Finally a signature worth having:

Fan of the World Champion San Francisco Giants.

by fierrpawz on Dec 8, 2010 9:12 PM PST up reply actions  

My dear fierrpawz,

if that is your name, these people clearly need a baseball game.

He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.

by gallo del cielo on Dec 8, 2010 10:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I love the Oxford comma, though its non-use rolls off my back a lot more easily than it used to. Just be consistent and don’t create structural confusion through strict adherence, and we’re good.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

according to the all powerful wiki

different print shops had different standards before, with most opting for one oversized space. When typewriters and monospace font came about, double spacing became the standard.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

And totally unnecessary with modern computing

and discriminating font choice.

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

also true

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

The real quote marks thing is also font dependent, sadly.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I overuse (over-use?) parentheses.

I can't fight this feeling anymore!

by ResDog on Dec 8, 2010 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s really one of the worst pet peeves to have because most people seriously don’t give a fuck

Isn’t that really the essence of a pet peeve? That’s what makes it your pet.

MY DAD WAS WRONG!

by Roger on Dec 8, 2010 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't question me!!!!

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on Dec 8, 2010 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

BUT YOU BEGGED

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

For anyone interested:

http://begthequestion.info/

That pretty much says it all. My own pet peeve is the misuse of “transpire” to mean occur or happen. It has a very specific meaning — to leak out, as a secret.

Almost as maddening is Krukow pronouncing the youngest Molina brother’s name in French — Yad-i-yay. There, I’ve succeeding in nearly dragging this back on topic!

by mrs. owlcroft on Dec 8, 2010 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

See #s 3 and 4 at m-w.

by wcw on Dec 8, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

See "Usage Discussion"

on that same page. I hold to the original usage, and am confirmed in that view by the OED. Merriam-Webster? Populist piffle.

by mrs. owlcroft on Dec 8, 2010 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Sense 4 has been in existence for about two centuries; it is firmly established as standard.

Does the OED really still hold to Murray’s generally misused prescriptive? I think he just didn’t like Hawthorne and Dickens, myself. Too newfangled.

by wcw on Dec 8, 2010 7:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Quoting my hard-copy of the OED:

def. 4 of transpire is “to escape from secrecy to notice”.

Following that is def. 4b:

“Misused for: To occur, happen, take place.”

The examples given for the misuse begin in 1800 and the OED says “Evidently arising from misunderstanding such a sentence as ’What had transpired during his absence he did not know”.

The word transpire is still used correctly in several places and there are loud cheers in this household whenever we see one.

by mrs. owlcroft on Dec 8, 2010 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I seriously, like…I mean…

Are you free Saturday night?

The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!

by TheLetter2 on Dec 8, 2010 1:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Gotta check with the little woman on that one. If there’s eggnog and mulled wine, I think there’s a good chance that something will open up.

I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?

by Ott on Dec 8, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, hey. We can still be friends, right?

Can’t get enough straight friends. Yep. Good ol’ platonic straight friends.

/weeps openly

The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!

by TheLetter2 on Dec 8, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP

/sobs

someone with more free time than sense.

Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.

Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.

by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 1:53 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Wow

The absolute correctness of that is absolute.

In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.

by cornball on Dec 8, 2010 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

It is nonplace, as in Auge’s conception of such.

by Deleuzian on Dec 8, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Rec'd

Because that’s how you become a Doctor of the Church.

In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.

by cornball on Dec 8, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Isn’t that something from Bard’s Tale?

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Could never get past St. Augie’s sexcapades in his autobiography, though. I’ve just got a very green mind.

someone with more free time than sense.

Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.

Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.

by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 4:47 PM PST up reply actions  

But oh lord — not yet.

by wcw on Dec 8, 2010 7:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Did Tim Lincecum give you your first kiss?

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

*weird look*

I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.

by yankeessuck8991 on Dec 8, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

...

I was waiting for that…

"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."

by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Fres-no?

Fres-YES!

Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!

by breadfan7 on Dec 8, 2010 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Ha! God I loved that slogan. They gave up on it, right?

I feel prickishly demanding!

I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.

by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 8, 2010 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Dunno...

…but I see it on Tshirts occasionally.

Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!

by breadfan7 on Dec 8, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Right up there with “SAY WA.”

The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!

by TheLetter2 on Dec 8, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

I must admit

When I found out I was gonna have to move back to Fresno, I thought I was gonna hate it. But I have settled in nicely here and actually like it a lot.

Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.

I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog

THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES

by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

I applied for a position at Fresno’s public radio station a while back. I don’t think I’d be opposed to living there.

The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!

by TheLetter2 on Dec 8, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Actually it's pretty enjoyable

The summer can be a bit unbearable unless you spend a lot of times indoors. But the downtown area has some cool places. Chuckchansi park is actually a really nice place, and you get to stay connected to Giants baseball.

Plus you could always just live in Clovis.

Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.

I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog

THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES

by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

I work downtown, scout.

What are the cool places downtown that you are thinking about?

I can only think of Chukchansi Park — which only features Grizzlies baseball 72 days of the year — and the casino.

Beyond that, I would regard downtown as a vast wasteland — and a none too safe one after dark.

by Grizzlie Antagonist on Dec 8, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

The Tower district is not bad and has a couple of nifty clubs

There is one that does Salsa lessons once or twice a month

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by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh yeah, the Tower district, but I wouldn’t really regard that as “downtown”.

by Grizzlie Antagonist on Dec 8, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

I pretty much think of downtown as anything in that Triangle between 99 180 and 41

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by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

If freeways demarcate downtown, it’s not a real city.

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by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 6:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry, Person,

but Fresno is indeed a real city. I’ve lived 20 of my years there, and I know. It’s also a good city, one I would go back to if required. And downtown has been as described by Grizzlie since I was 10 and went to the movies at The Crest.

That was in 1962.

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by gallo del cielo on Dec 8, 2010 10:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I applied to work there out of law school. It’s not really that bad. Pretty close to some great hiking.

I feel prickishly demanding!

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by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 8, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

This.

Before we moved to WA my family would spent weeks up in the Sierras. Hang out in Fresno for a day or two and then head into the mountains via Shaver Lake.

"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."

by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

God I love the Sierra. I’m thinking about trying the Sierra High Route (different from the High Sierra Route) when I have a month and am in California.

I feel prickishly demanding!

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by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 8, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Do it!

"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."

by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

to link up with a thread the other day

Sequoia Nat’l Park is supposed to be a great place to see black bears in the springtime.

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by natteringnabob on Dec 8, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

I have a friend who lives just outside of Fresno and tells everyone he is from

“Near Yosemite”

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by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

The Central Valley

West by Midwest

The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.

Et tu, Ribe?

by Solidarity on Dec 8, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

The west coast of Iowa.

And that’s a compliment.

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by gallo del cielo on Dec 8, 2010 10:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Fresno-Yosemite Airport FTW! Or should I say FAT.

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by natteringnabob on Dec 8, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

If you fly from there to Los Angeles, you go FAT to LAX.

Done it many times.

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by gallo del cielo on Dec 8, 2010 10:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Kings Canyon/Sequoia is awesome.

"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."

by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

There are some nice hikes up there.

by wcw on Dec 8, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Relatively little traffic, but beautiful land. Yeah, those are great.

I feel prickishly demanding!

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by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 8, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

If you can...

Hike in a few days. There is some amaaaaaaaaaaaazing high country there.

"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."

by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

This.

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Absolutely. Perhaps the most beautiful back country I’ve ever visited was a hard day and a half in in King’s Canyon. I hiked in for Fourth of July weekend a couple years ago, and after the turnoff about 8 miles in to the more popular lake, I saw no one the rest of my time. It was awesome.

I feel prickishly demanding!

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by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 8, 2010 4:54 PM PST up reply actions  

One time when backpacking we ended up camped out a hundred yards from a family of weasels. They had this whole multi-story house going in a random pile of rocks. I don’t remember what lake it was by…but I do remember leaving them a fish. “Don’t feed the animals,” I know! But at least it was natural food…

Also, the Mt. Goddard area.

"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."

by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 6:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Man, this gets my hiking itch going again. It’s been far too long since I did a real hike, so that doesn’t take much though.

I feel prickishly demanding!

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by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 8, 2010 6:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Before that whole World Series thing came along we were talking about getting some people together for a walk/hike thing-a-ma-jig. Maybe after the holidays …

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by Merope on Dec 8, 2010 7:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I nominate Desolation/Horsetail Falls

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by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 7:38 PM PST up reply actions  

In the fanpost I had up most people were preferring something in the bay area, and not everyone was real hard-core back-packers.

We’re definitely not! Day hikes ~10 miles round trip is about our limit.

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by Merope on Dec 8, 2010 7:41 PM PST up reply actions  

well

we wouldn’t have to go all the way UP the falls, but just going to some of the pools at the base would be nice, though much nicer in the summer when you can swim in them without risking hypothermia.

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Or something.
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by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 7:44 PM PST up reply actions  

/hitchhikes to Tahoe

"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."

by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 8:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Ugh, same here. We used to go backpacking/hiking every year. And we’d take at least one trip that was at least 2 weeks long. Haven’t been up for more than a day or two for the past few years though. I miss it.

"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."

by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

As is the area around Florence Lake, just north of Kings Canyon.

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by cornball on Dec 8, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Admittedly I've never lived there...

But I’ve spent quite a bit of time there. Including during the summer. Its way too hot of course, but it doesn’t get that much worse than Carson City which is where I grew up. Honestly, I’d rather be living in Fresno than Seattle right now. Call me crazy, but I can’t stand this place…

"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."

by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

On the plus side, it’s the home of Fresno Bob.

Hey Sandoval, mix in a salad. Everyone else, mix in a walk.

by Woody'sShed on Dec 8, 2010 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

/weird look

I can't fight this feeling anymore!

by ResDog on Dec 8, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

/sticks tongue out

"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."

by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Fresno is pretty bad in the summer...

…but it’s usually a dry heat.

I’ve always assumed that players from the East and Midwest and South — and from the tropics — who have to undergo humid summers don’t mind the dry heat too much.

So I don’t know if the weather in Fresno is enough of an incenetive for Venezuela’s own Pablo Sandoval.

by Grizzlie Antagonist on Dec 8, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Do they play day games? We chickened out of a Sunday game in May a couple years ago when it was going to be 108 at game time.

I personally have always… not preferred, let’s say withstood, 85-90 east coast swelter to 110 “dry heat”. Pretty much everyone I talked to about it back east would use the old “yeah, but it’s DRY heat” and then admit that they’d never been to Las Vegas, or Greece, or Redding, and so on. 100+ and humid is obviously worse, but I only hit that in DC once or twice.

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"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum

by natteringnabob on Dec 8, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

I’ll take dry over humid any day. And I’ve lived in both. Of course, I’d rather have neither and just have it snow all year…

"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."

by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

this

I’d rather be in Phoenix in the middle of the summer than St. Louis, Houston, or Atlanta. Humidity sucks, sooooo much.

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by Smoke on the Water on Dec 8, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Seriously. Screw humidity.

I feel prickishly demanding!

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by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 8, 2010 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I hate heat and humidity, but humidity more than heat. I was born and raised in a tropical paradise and all I ever dreamed of was seasons and being able to breathe air that wasn’t as hot as my body temperature.

Not a huge fan of being out in the snow, but it sure is pretty to look at.

I think San Francisco will do.

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by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 1:56 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

You certainly won’t want for humidity in SF, that’s fo sho!

May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum

by natteringnabob on Dec 8, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

90% humidity feels different at 51 F than at 101 F.

by wcw on Dec 8, 2010 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Especially when it’s over 100%! “WHY IS THE PAVEMENT WET IT’S JUNE AND HASN’T RAINED FOR THREE MONTHS!”

May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum

by natteringnabob on Dec 8, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I have learned in my old age that I deal so much better with heat and humidity than any form of cold (that would be 68° and below). The eastern half of the nation is in the midst of unusually cold weather — so much that the high on Tuesday was 29° here — and I curse it every single day.

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by TheLetter2 on Dec 8, 2010 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm exactly the opposite

I like the cold much better than the heat. It’s way easier to warm up than it is to cool down. Plus, you can only take off so many layers.

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by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed completely

I’d rather be outside in 20 degree weather than 100 degrees

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by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

not to mention

it’s WAY cheaper (and more energy efficient) to heat a house than it is to cool one.

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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

This.

So much this.

I can enjoy 20 degree weather…heck, I can enjoy 0 degree weather. I have NEVER enjoyed 100 degree weather.

"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."

by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Bunch of wooses.

He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.

by gallo del cielo on Dec 8, 2010 10:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Plus, you can only take off so many layers.

So you’re a quitter.

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by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah, this is me, too

When it’s really fucking cold, you can put on a jacket.

When it’s really fucking hot, you can be naked and it’s still intolerable.

Florida is a bad place for me to live.

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by jcb9 on Dec 8, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I know quite a few people who hold the same view, and it’s prefectly valid. I speak only for myself. I get cold extremely easily, and I can deal with heat so much more easily.

As for the layers thing, I hate the mere idea of putting on layers to get the damn mail. To go get the paper. To walk to my truck to drive to work. Everything you do in the winter requires putting on a Fort Knox of wool. That’s absurd.

The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!

by TheLetter2 on Dec 8, 2010 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ve taken to wearing pajama pants under my jeans and keeping a snowboarding jacket in my car. The jacket’s really easy to take off, and the pj pants are think enough to keep me warm outside, but breathable enough to keep me from overheating inside.

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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

You are one classy gent.

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by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

goddamn right.

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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

More power to ya. I’m gonna just go over here and curse the darkness while you light this candle.

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by TheLetter2 on Dec 8, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m in your boat, Letter2. I love heat, if it’s too hot, just take a cool shower.

But I love a warm, 80 degree summer day. And I say that while looking out at a bleak cold, rainy day

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by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m in your boat, Letter2. I love heat, if it’s too hot, just take a cool shower.

This technique is useful in a limited number of circumstances.

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by jcb9 on Dec 8, 2010 2:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Being in my boat? Heck no! Plenty of room for everyone!

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by TheLetter2 on Dec 8, 2010 2:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Shameless hussy!

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by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Someone’s jealous.

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by TheLetter2 on Dec 8, 2010 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

FOR THE LOVE OF HOT WEATHER WASN’T WILSON ENOUGH?!?!?

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by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Wait, I got Wilson? When? Did we have a tempestuous but ultimately doomed romance while on summer holiday at my parents’ old beach house in Santa Barbara? Details! I need details!

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by TheLetter2 on Dec 8, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Five-minute spit’n’go in the broom closet.

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Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.

Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.

by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

My God. I am shameless. Why would I do that? I’m going to go ahead and say it’s the Coriolis Effect.

The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!

by TheLetter2 on Dec 8, 2010 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I can also make sure the boat doesn’t catch fire when we build a little firepit to keep us nice and toasty warm.

/train’d

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by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

/trained

D’OH!!

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by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, what I wouldn’t give for 80 degrees right now. I’m so tired of snow, wind and cold. And it’s only December 8. I’ll be dead by January.

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by TheLetter2 on Dec 8, 2010 2:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Seasons are pretty great, and fall is awesome, but that whole Nov-Apr. period is pretty grim.

SF is cold in summertime, but our temperature doesn’t go below 50 much in winter, and not for long in any case.

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by natteringnabob on Dec 8, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

SF in the summertime, while foggy, is still not exactly cold. and you could drive 10 miles north or south to get out of the fog and into 90 degree weather.

anyone who complains about SF being cold in the summer needs to move to Mexico.

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by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

San Diego is pretty nice.

by wcw on Dec 8, 2010 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Yesterday I spent some time reading the National Weather Service forecast for Huntington Beach and weeping softly to myself.

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by TheLetter2 on Dec 8, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

i know i know i know, so warm… oh, so warm.

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by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

77° by Sunday. Mmmmmmm.

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by TheLetter2 on Dec 8, 2010 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Ah, 77 degrees … a nice cool December. /from the tropics

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Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.

Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.

by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

SD is perfect, weather-wise.

i just dont really like the attitude of people you find down there.

The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.

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by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

My friends and brother had fun at UCSD.

by wcw on Dec 8, 2010 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

most of the people i knew from San Diego in college were people that acted all entitled.

The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.

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by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

At least there’s an honesty to that lacking from your sure-I-went-to-Yale-and-Harvard-but-I’m-a-regular-Joe-really act promulgated by so many recent Presidents.

by wcw on Dec 8, 2010 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah but does that honesty have to be self-absorbent?

The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.

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by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Sh’yeah

I can't fight this feeling anymore!

by ResDog on Dec 8, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

This is correct.

someone with more free time than sense.

Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.

Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.

by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

No complaints here. I get tired of the fog, but never tired enough that I’d rather see my shoes melt on pavement.

May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum

by natteringnabob on Dec 8, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

They only play like 3 day games at Chuckchansi

And they are in the beginning of the season.

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by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

I have relatives in the St Louis and Kansas City areas

Every one of us would prefer my summers to their summers. Those humid Midwest summers are a bitch.

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by Stuttering John Tamargo on Dec 8, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

I really have to find out.

Is there anywhere else in SBN where a comment like:

I really hope player X hates it in the minor leagues leads to obscure literary reference, that leads to greek philosophy, greek/latin translation, timely Christmas biblical translation debate on the birth and naming of Christ all without devolving into a red/blue state debate or witch hunts?

Or on the internet anywhere?

I’m going searching. BBL.

Finally a signature worth having:

Fan of the World Champion San Francisco Giants.

by fierrpawz on Dec 8, 2010 7:23 PM PST up reply actions  

BURN THE WITCH

Am I doing this right?

"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"

by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 7:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Sometimes I just keep a copy of Pilgrim’s Progress next to me while I’m on the site so I can work in references.

Placeholder.

by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 8:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually, I don’t even own that book. I should check it out from the library or something, though.

Placeholder.

by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 8:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Watch out for chop

Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 8:03 PM PST up reply actions  

It's on the Internet.

I got bored after a couple pages of it.

"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"

by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 8:04 PM PST up reply actions  

It's . . .

like, boring.

And, by the way, what do you all have against ellipses?

(I can’t remember who complained.)

He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.

by gallo del cielo on Dec 8, 2010 10:20 PM PST up reply actions  

There was a brief time of site-melting over red/blue, but what’s the point? I might miss a good recipe or bible translation or something.

May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum

by natteringnabob on Dec 8, 2010 8:09 PM PST up reply actions  

and reading further I am wrong. Oh well.

May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum

by natteringnabob on Dec 8, 2010 8:10 PM PST up reply actions  

OK I'm back.

I was right.

A few hundred or so Greek Aristotle references in the SBN Communities outside of MCC.
Only 129 mentions of Strunk, Most on MCC, silver/black, or CalGoldenBears.
25 references to Tyrol, 6 outside MCC.
Only one mention of Yehoshooa, on MCC of course.
and Zero Immanuel biblical references in the SBN Communities outside of MCC.

Yep. Only here.

Finally a signature worth having:

Fan of the World Champion San Francisco Giants.

by fierrpawz on Dec 8, 2010 8:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I find it kind of interesting that Italy didn’t lose South Tyrol after WWII.

"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"

by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 8:21 PM PST up reply actions  

It kinda bugs me, but not in any serious way. My parents think it was a scandal and that Wilson was a tool. They are Austrian, needless to state.

by wcw on Dec 8, 2010 8:23 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s just kind of weird how Germany was cut down to the extent that large numbers of Germans were forced to leave their homes whereas Italy still has a French part and a German part.

"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"

by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 8:38 PM PST up reply actions  

They also “joined” the Allied side before VE day.

by speckops on Dec 8, 2010 8:43 PM PST up reply actions  

True. They were pretty much equally ineffective on both sides, IIRC.

"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"

by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 8:44 PM PST up reply actions  

You’re searching for a barrel of oil?

GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool

by groug on Dec 9, 2010 12:12 AM PST up reply actions  

I have my disagreements with the moves that Sabean makes, but ultimately he is the major league GM and former scout, and I am the dude on the internet who has no background in organized baseball past Little League in the 6th grade.

I have to give the benefit of the doubt to Sabean and a front office that has the likes of Dick Tidrow. Unless I have full transparency on how and why particular signings or done, I’m only qualified to rosterbate.

The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.

Et tu, Ribe?

by Solidarity on Dec 8, 2010 10:16 AM PST reply actions  

This… except that I played in J.C.

The San Francisco Giants - YOUR 2010 WORLD CHAMPIONS

by zuma420 on Dec 8, 2010 6:37 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s great for the “benefit of the doubt” moves, but what about the flat-out ridiculous moves?

Here's to the Dodgers and their bucket of suck.

by Woody Wins on Dec 9, 2010 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Mmmmm....snout.

"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong

by EliminateMe on Dec 8, 2010 10:22 AM PST reply actions  

Needs more Winter Meetings live-blogging.

"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat

by deuce deuce on Dec 8, 2010 10:25 AM PST reply actions  

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"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."

by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Wow…are you there too? That SBN travel budget must be incredible

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

I was a stowaway.

"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."

by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Carry-on luggage. Ceora is actually quite small.

I feel prickishly demanding!

I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.

by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 8, 2010 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Now that’s the kind of groundbreaking analysis and news I come to this site for.

"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat

by deuce deuce on Dec 8, 2010 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

MY ADOPTED SON

KISS HIS LOVE

Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.

by satyricrash on Dec 8, 2010 10:28 AM PST reply actions  

Goodbye Wretched

Goodbye unremarkable….

Welcome to average.

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I didn't choose to be a Giants fan, I was born into it. November 1, 2010 World Champions.

by ch3zyp00fs on Dec 8, 2010 10:32 AM PST reply actions  

Am I missing something

Since when did Dennis Reyes become valuable?

WEDNESDAY, 11:45am: The Phillies are not close to signing Reyes and have yet to make a formal offer, reports Paul Hagen of the Philadelphia Daily News. Word is they’re not close on any reliever right now.

TUESDAY, 4:27pm: Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch hears that Reyes will sign with the Phillies (Twitter link).

2:34pm: Reyes could sign within the next 48 hours, tweets Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports, probably deciding between the Phillies and Marlins. The Mariners and Athletics are also in on Reyes, tweets John Hickey of AOL Fanhouse.

12:14pm: The agent for lefty Dennys Reyes, Oscar Suarez, is meeting with the Phillies today, tweets ESPN’s Enrique Rojas. Suarez says at least five to six teams are interested.

Also this:

The Phillies could be a match for lefty George Sherrill; Dan Connolly of the Baltimore Sun says they’re considered the favorite by most in the industry

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 10:35 AM PST reply actions  

Ever since...

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/split.cgi?t=p&team=PHI&year=2010#sprel::none

Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly

by say hey nation on Dec 8, 2010 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

And Henry Blanco is still a viable option as a catcher, backup or otherwise?

This is, indeed, a strange off season.

by Every6thDay on Dec 8, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

The Reyes in question is actually Ernie Reyes, Jr. of "Sidekicks" and "Teenage Mutant Nija Turtles" fame....

…clearly baseball needs more ninja antics.

Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!

by breadfan7 on Dec 8, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

No mention of Surf Ninjas?

GOOD DAY TO YOU SIR.

Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.

I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog

THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES

by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

/looks at his post in dismay

actually, I truly did intend to include the phrase “among others” after “fame.”

You have my humblest apologies.

Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!

by breadfan7 on Dec 8, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

the fatness of Reyes and Sherrill could reduce the specific gravity of an entire team

And the worst part, those fukin’ douchenozzles over at the MCC get to lord this over us.

by nogooddeed on Dec 8, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Something is not right here
Mariners Reach Agreement With Jack Cust
By Tim Dierkes [December 8 at 12:35pm CST]
The Athletics reached an agreement with Jack Cust on a one-year deal, tweets Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle first tweeted a deal was close.

Cust, 32 in January, hit .272/.395/.438 in 425 plate appearances for the Athletics before being non-tendered this month. He’s spent time at the outfield corners and designated hitter.

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 10:37 AM PST reply actions  

New line: .220/.340/.330.

by Grant Brisbee on Dec 8, 2010 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

.170/.380/.475

"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat

by deuce deuce on Dec 8, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Carlos?

I feel prickishly demanding!

I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.

by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 8, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Say what you will, I love that OBP.

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by ch3zyp00fs on Dec 8, 2010 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

That would be a huuuuge improvement for the Mariners.

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m sure Lookout Landing loves this signing.

"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
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by 49er16 on Dec 8, 2010 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Headline
Here comes Jack Cust
More on this when it’s official. Instant reaction: Cust is a fine DH who I think a lot of us kind of hate. He seems like a prick.

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

I knew that would be their reaction.

"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
2010 World Series Champions San Francisco Giants

by 49er16 on Dec 8, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

On the plus side, he scored more runs this morning than the M’s did all of last season! /rim shot

"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10

by Kitspool on Dec 8, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

rim shot

And the worst part, those fukin’ douchenozzles over at the MCC get to lord this over us.

by nogooddeed on Dec 8, 2010 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I worry about his BABIP, but it should be an upgrade over their complete suckhole of a DH spot. I think Seattle should have gone after Manny.

I feel prickishly demanding!

I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.

by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 8, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Nah, if anything, he’ll be better because of not having to worry about playing right field. Plus, he will have motivation to kick Billy Beane’s ass 16 times next year.

"Campeones." - Andres Torres
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by Murray, Present on Dec 8, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Wait, wtf

Mariners? I thought it said A’s.

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Holy fucking christ

Last year Seattle’s Designated Hitters hit .194/.269/.340.

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Should have played Clown Ball Rules.

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Bengie!
It’s not clear whether 36-year-old catcher Bengie Molina(notes) wants to play next seasonm or not, but if he does, the St. Louis Cardinals would love to have him come onboard to back up his younger brother Yadier Molina(notes), according to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

Yahoo! Sports

"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat

by deuce deuce on Dec 8, 2010 10:42 AM PST reply actions  

Thank God!

The last time I saw Bengie, I was worried that he ate Yadier.

"And as Edgar rounds the bases the ghosts run with him, the great ones like Mays and McCovey and Cepeda, and the almost forgotten ones like Bolin and LeMaster and Manwaring…" - J. Rant

by Giant Torture on Dec 8, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Wasn’t there a third Molina brother?

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

World Champion © Jose Molina

My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.

by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

If memory serves

There are like a dozen Molina brothers… only 3 play in the Bigs, but they all seem to be Championship magnets.

No relation to Matt Cain...

by Caine Black Knife on Dec 8, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, even Benji got one this year and he was on the losing team.

Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.

by WilliamVanLandingham on Dec 8, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

he already had one

Still and all, why bother? Here's my answer. Many people need desperately to receive this message: I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.
-Kurt Vonnegut

by Classy_Argonaut on Dec 8, 2010 5:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I think 9 of the last 10 WS had Molina’s in them.

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

2001, 2003, 2005, and 2007 all didn’t.

GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool

by groug on Dec 8, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Did anybody ask you?

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 4:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, but has anyone actually seen him lately?

"And as Edgar rounds the bases the ghosts run with him, the great ones like Mays and McCovey and Cepeda, and the almost forgotten ones like Bolin and LeMaster and Manwaring…" - J. Rant

by Giant Torture on Dec 8, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

They buried him in the foundation of Yankee Stadium.

by Natto on Dec 8, 2010 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ll believe it when he signs a contract not written on SFG letterhead.

May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum

by natteringnabob on Dec 8, 2010 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

So he’ll back up his brother but not Buster? GET THE HELL OUTTA HERE BENGIE!!

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

that would actually be kind of cool

they could run a picture of the Alou outfield next to the catching Molinas.

Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...

by Smoke on the Water on Dec 8, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

that BA article seems like a reprint….i think i read most of that from some New Hampshire online newspaper a few weeks ago??

by repeat_in_2011 on Dec 8, 2010 10:46 AM PST reply actions  

LOL NH.

Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly

by say hey nation on Dec 8, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Vermont’s evil twin.

No relation to Matt Cain...

by Caine Black Knife on Dec 8, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

And much too far from the center of the universe: Wisconsin.

"I can't very well tell my batters, 'Dont hit it to him.' Wherever they hit it, he's there anyway."
- NY Mets manager Gil Hodges on Willie Mays

by Lyle on Dec 8, 2010 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually

It was up on ESPN.com a couple of weeks ago.

"And as Edgar rounds the bases the ghosts run with him, the great ones like Mays and McCovey and Cepeda, and the almost forgotten ones like Bolin and LeMaster and Manwaring…" - J. Rant

by Giant Torture on Dec 8, 2010 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

ok, that makes more sense…..right after the W.S. there was a story on Sabean i think it was a NH newspaper since he’s from that area and then also the NY Daily News iirc….i must have read the ESPN article when it was first posted because all that stuff about LeFebvre, Balboni, Tidrow, etc sounded like a rehash….

by repeat_in_2011 on Dec 8, 2010 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Here's the thing

Team A could literally hire anyone off the street to be a GM, and as long as the players taht GM acquired were taken from the general set of players that other “real” GMs had to choose from as well, there would be some greater-than-zero probability that Team A would win a World Series in any given year.

Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.

by D4P on Dec 8, 2010 10:55 AM PST reply actions  

I'm not following

Can you add some graphs to jazz this up?

"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong

by EliminateMe on Dec 8, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Sorry…Jazz Hands has taken his talents to Southern California

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

well

except for the whole “draft” part

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
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That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Giants brass got some good advice from Carl Weathers a few years back:

Whoa, Whoa, Whoa. There’s plenty of savvy on that Sabes. Now you take this home, throw it in a pot, add some due diligence, some tire kickin’, a potato. Baby, you’ve got a stew goin’.

My adopted Giant got shipped off to Pittsburgh, and it was worth it.

by rightcenterfielder on Dec 8, 2010 10:56 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Well done.

I feel prickishly demanding!

I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.

by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 8, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

I vaguely remember trying to convince McC at large

That Sabean was, at least, an “average” GM.

I don’t recall getting very far. Possibly more a reflection on my debating skills.

My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.

by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 10:56 AM PST reply actions  

I think I agree, you have the top tier and the bottom tier and then everyone else is the same.

Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly

by say hey nation on Dec 8, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

He is an above average GM…

Yes he has had some big flops but look at the team after he took over…

Sabean’s 13 years as the Giant’s general manager is the longest run by a general manager in the club’s history, surpassing Spec Richardson (seven seasons, 1975–81), Al Rosen (seven seasons, 1986–92) and Tom Haller (five seasons, 1981–85). Sabean has the longest tenure with the same club among active general managers. During his tenure, the Giants have won one World Series (2010), two National League pennants (2002 and 2010), four National League West Division flags (1997, 2000, 2003, and 2010), a National League Wild Card (2002) and forced a National League Wild Card tie-breaker game with Chicago in 1998. On two other occasions, the club was eliminated from post season contention on the last day of the season. He has guided the club to five post season berths – the club’s most in an 11-season span since 1915–25. As of July 13, 2007, Sabean owns the ninth-highest winning percentage (.544, 927–777) among all general managers since 1950.

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

*Most of those season were played with the all time best hitter in MLB.

Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly

by say hey nation on Dec 8, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m not saying he’s the best GM…but he has done much better than what people think…

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Given that people think the absolute worst, I’d agree, but the legitimate gripe is always over process. Up until very, very recently, it appeared the thought process behind 95% of the publicized decisions was flawed.

by Every6thDay on Dec 8, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Out of 30 teams…who are the GMs better than Sabean?

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m not trying to get into an argument about this!

by Every6thDay on Dec 8, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Okay…how’s your day going?

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

thought process?

I though only half of GMing was 90% mental, or something like Yogi said.

by Leftyretro on Dec 8, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Willie Mays played recently?

Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 6:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Bonds'd

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Just saw this on the firesabean website
(6 days ago) Richard Alvarado said:
sabean has got lucky to have idiot giants fans like you guys that think he is the reason why things pan out… he got luck with ross and only took him to prevent the padres from getting him, any GM would of done that! if you dont thinks so then add up all the games he played from when we got him till the playoffs! it was bochy’s move to start him that was the payoff… all you on your high horses about to blow sabeans balls lets not forget the money he dished out to Zito, rowand and now tejada… the names like sidney ponson AJ perzinske (spelling error) trading away a great pitcher like joe nathan getting bernitez C’mon you guys are the joke and dont see what the real reason is that we won the world series homegrown talent wich is done by drafting which is monitored by scouting and bochy making the moves he does at the right times… I love huff, but paying him 11 mill a year and tejada 6.5 a raise from what he was making last year a year in which he slumped is a joke…

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

he got luck with ross and only took him to prevent the padres from getting him, any GM would of done that!

I’ll agree that the Ross move looks better in hindsight, but that’s mostly because I facepalm in disgust whenever we acquire an ex-Dodger. Also, as I understand it, 27 GMs had to pass on Ross in the first place.

A better argument would be Jose Guillen.

No relation to Matt Cain...

by Caine Black Knife on Dec 8, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

My favorite line is
C’mon you guys are the joke and dont see what the real reason is that we won the world series homegrown talent wich is done by drafting which is monitored by scouting and bochy making the moves he does at the right times…

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

He obliquely brings up a good point, actually; GM’s perhaps get too much credit/blame, when the reality is there’s a whole staff of scouts involved.

No relation to Matt Cain...

by Caine Black Knife on Dec 8, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

True…but GMs are responsible for hiring and retaining the scouts…it’s not a coincidences that the Giants drafted Cain, Lincecum, Sanchez, Madbum, and Wilson…

GMs are like CEOs…they are responsible for finding good people for jobs and to rely on them to do their jobs

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

True…Sabean deserves credit for keeping Dick Tidrow around for so long. I think his loyalty to Tidrow has been reciprocated. There are probably other franchises who would love to steal him away from us.

Here's to the Dodgers and their bucket of suck.

by Woody Wins on Dec 9, 2010 9:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Also, as I understand it, 27 GMs had to pass on Ross in the first place.

Not quite 27. Ross was in the NL, so when he was on waivers, the NL teams had first dibs. Probably closer to 10 GMs had to pass on Ross first.

Also known to haunt as theghostoftravisdenker and theaccidentalghostofsergioromo.
Adopted parent of good old Wendell, he tries so hard. You'll get a hit someday son!

by theghostofjasonellison on Dec 8, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

And of those GMs, I’m sure several of them were passing on his contract, rather than the player.

The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.

Et tu, Ribe?

by Solidarity on Dec 8, 2010 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

why can't

we attract more of these kind of commenters here at Mccovey Chronicles? Not enough paragraph long block stream of consciousness rants, imho.

"No matter how hard you try, it's not easy." Armando Benitez, 9-12-06

by leftyodoul on Dec 8, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t want this place to turn into Transcendentalists Chronicles.

by Every6thDay on Dec 8, 2010 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey, stop grabbing my pants!!

The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.

Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.

by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions  

@SavvySabes Three keys to good 7-year deals: 1) Offer $126 million 2) player should be in late 30s by end of deal 3) only bid against yourself. BS

by Every6thDay on Dec 8, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

obviously

other GM’s out there are paying attention.

"No matter how hard you try, it's not easy." Armando Benitez, 9-12-06

by leftyodoul on Dec 8, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

So you aren't a master debater?

Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!

by jhiat00 on Dec 8, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

ISWYDT

And the worst part, those fukin’ douchenozzles over at the MCC get to lord this over us.

by nogooddeed on Dec 8, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

WAY TO GO GIANTS!!!!

One great move by Sabean, getting Huff instead of Laroche

His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?

by PiKAgiant on Dec 8, 2010 11:15 AM PST reply actions  

LOL

Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!

by jhiat00 on Dec 8, 2010 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Another great move

Letting Jazz Hands Uribe go to LA to make way for this guy:

Hey Sandoval, mix in a salad. Everyone else, mix in a walk.

by Woody'sShed on Dec 8, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I wonder if any television show has ever represented a “rock star” without using a real rock star without embarrassing themselves. Doesn’t seem like it.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 11:17 AM PST reply actions  

would dancing with the stars classify as embarrassing yourself?

His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?

by PiKAgiant on Dec 8, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes.

Anyway, I just watched an episode of Dead Like Me where George reaps a rock star, and it’s embarrassing to watch. They’re not even trying too hard. He’s just a guy with a guitar. He just sounds really, really awful.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

…and Ryan Cabrera was never seen or heard from again.

The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!

by TheLetter2 on Dec 8, 2010 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

DAY MAN!

DEFEATER OF THE NIGHT MAN!

If that’s not a burgeoning rock opera then I don’t know what is.

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Isn’t that always sunny in philly?

His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?

by PiKAgiant on Dec 8, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

yes

Thing A

"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud

by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

eh... not a big fan

the TV sitcom i’m hooked on now is Arrested Development

His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?

by PiKAgiant on Dec 8, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

AD > Always Sunny

Thing A

"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud

by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

at least someone agrees with me

His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?

by PiKAgiant on Dec 8, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I’d be surprised if the large majority of the McCoven don’t agree

Thing A

"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud

by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

my girlfriend is watching it for the first time

His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?

by PiKAgiant on Dec 8, 2010 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Hey, I’m right there with you. I never cared for Always Sunny.

The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!

by TheLetter2 on Dec 8, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

It took a while for me to get into it.

Danny DeVito is transcendentally disgusting. It’s awe inspiring.

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

AD >>>> Always Sunny but that’s not a knock on the latter. Arrested Development is just that good.

"What’s that, Buster? You asked for a bicycle? Well, sorry. Santa brought butt floss instead."

by thebighead on Dec 8, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Not at all a knock, but yea, i haz a sad about Arrested Development only being around for 3 seasons… so many great cast members fitting their roles perfectly.

His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?

by PiKAgiant on Dec 8, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

I like Sunny except that the characters are all truly terrible people and that makes me sad. But yes, AD > most things.

I feel prickishly demanding!

I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.

by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 8, 2010 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

But I thought the point of ASiP was that the characters are all truly terrible people. Not liking the whole point of the show, but still liking the show is a very interesting combination.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s an interesting point. I hadn’t thought about the idea behind the show. I enjoy it because I just find the writing and awfulness of it. I like terrible, awful humor that pushes the bounds of decency, so the humor of the show appeals to me.

I feel prickishly demanding!

I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.

by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 8, 2010 1:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I always liked the show because the banter between the friends is very much like that of myself and my friends. Agree though, they are pretty much terrible human beings, and that makes the show. Charlie Day is fucking awesome.

"What’s that, Buster? You asked for a bicycle? Well, sorry. Santa brought butt floss instead."

by thebighead on Dec 8, 2010 1:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Cat in the wall?!

Now you’re talkin’ my language!

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Charlie Day is the man.

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Someone told me to watch Sunny because the show has the same sense of humor as me. After watching some of the episodes this year, it’s finally dawned on me how big of a dick I really am.

I can't fight this feeling anymore!

by ResDog on Dec 8, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

your friends think highly of you, it appears

The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.

Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.

by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 2:36 PM PST up reply actions  

All three seasons on sale today at Amazon. The whole series for $28!!!

by Every6thDay on Dec 8, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

talk about a great Christmas gift

His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?

by PiKAgiant on Dec 8, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh man.

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

I bought this for my brother last year around this price

He lives in Paris, works too hard and sometimes misses US teevee.

He loved it.

by wcw on Dec 8, 2010 1:14 PM PST up reply actions  

… Yes. But it really should have topped the charts.

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

CHAMPION OF THE SUN

Also known to haunt as theghostoftravisdenker and theaccidentalghostofsergioromo.
Adopted parent of good old Wendell, he tries so hard. You'll get a hit someday son!

by theghostofjasonellison on Dec 8, 2010 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

tsk.

all wrong
DAY MAN!
FIGHTER OF THE NIGHT MAN!
CHAMPION OF THE SUN!
MASTER OF KARATE
AND FRIENDSHIP FOR EVERYONE!

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 1:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Right.

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Charlie on LOST wasn’t embarrassing, rock star-wise.

GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool

by groug on Dec 8, 2010 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Hobbits aren’t rock stars

Thing A

"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud

by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 12:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice example.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

That is a pretty crappy sentence, I must say.

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

“themselves” is the only disagreement. It’s just a little awkward with the withouts otherwise, but hardly crappy.

Placeholder.

by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry Howie, i’m going to have to side with Cookyman on this one. Any sentence that takes 5 reads to think you maybe understand what the writer meant is pretty crappy.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Somewhere, James Joyce is weeping.

Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!

by jcb9 on Dec 8, 2010 1:17 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

rec’d

"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."

by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

He was always such a maudlin drunk.

2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller

by Johnny Disaster on Dec 8, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I laughed way too loudly at the cafe while reading that.

someone with more free time than sense.

Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.

Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.

by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 2:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I don’t know, man. I got it in one.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

The original sentence was a little clumsy, but “with the withouts” redeemed it.

by Evan on Dec 8, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, it was certainly clumsy. No argument there.

Placeholder.

by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

OT: WOW, Urban Meyer was just fired

His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?

by PiKAgiant on Dec 8, 2010 11:20 AM PST reply actions  

Fired or resigned? He probably got a pro job…

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Stepped down, i should rephrase that

His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?

by PiKAgiant on Dec 8, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

so he’ll be back in about 2 months.
/Favre’d

Thing A

"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud

by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

or just Urban Meyers circa 2009

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

2 hours

His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?

by PiKAgiant on Dec 8, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Really?

If so, that was very short sighted thinking.

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

by thirteen on Dec 8, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Dear Brian Sabean

Please trade for Ryan Doumit on the cheap.

Thank you.

I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.

by yankeessuck8991 on Dec 8, 2010 11:23 AM PST reply actions  

I’m for this…I wonder what it would take…we’re all out of 27 year old AAAA players…

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

And Thomas Neal won’t be 27 for 4 more years, so there’s going to be a gap.

"And as Edgar rounds the bases the ghosts run with him, the great ones like Mays and McCovey and Cepeda, and the almost forgotten ones like Bolin and LeMaster and Manwaring…" - J. Rant

by Giant Torture on Dec 8, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

well adding Doumit would pretty much eliminate at least one, and probably both, of Nate and Ishi. i wouldn’t be against giving up either one for Doumit.

Thing A

"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud

by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Hell, just give up both.

I feel prickishly demanding!

I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.

by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 8, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

What about Schierholtz?

Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???

by oldrips on Dec 8, 2010 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing. He’s not a very good catcher, but he’s passable, a switch hitter, can play some OF and 1B, and the Pirates want to send money with him. That’s not bad.

Of course, I don’t know whether Sabean and especially Bochy could abide having a roster without a defense-first backup catcher, so it might lead to a three-catcher roster. Not sure about that.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Dec 8, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Sign Bengie!

Then trade him in June for a former 1st rounder and serviceable reliever!

"And as Edgar rounds the bases the ghosts run with him, the great ones like Mays and McCovey and Cepeda, and the almost forgotten ones like Bolin and LeMaster and Manwaring…" - J. Rant

by Giant Torture on Dec 8, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

that would be a prettin interesting trade

wouldn’t bother me at all, Doumit is pretty reliable backup

His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?

by PiKAgiant on Dec 8, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

And Doumit is from Moses Lake, WA

which is only about an hour and a half drive from Affeldt’s home town of Medical Lake, WA. They could rendezvous halfway at my house!

by mrs. owlcroft on Dec 8, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Random

I am doing something at work (as soon as I am done reading this thread) relating to a job corps center in Moses Lake, WA.

by Sgt. Dingleberry on Dec 8, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Looks like a Dodger waiting to happen.

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

To me, it looks like the black-cloud-eye alien stuff from X-Files got him.

Placeholder.

by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 1:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Awesome reference. And definitely the case.

I feel prickishly demanding!

I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.

by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 8, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

It would be a lovely setting, if not for the odd inclusion of baseball gear. I mean, I get that it’s a wedding photo gimmick. It’s just a really shitty one.

The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!

by TheLetter2 on Dec 8, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

You sound mortally offended. Not that you’re wrong, of course.

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

As a photographer

The color correction is horrible…

What is that foliage? Forsythia and Magnolias? The flash made the color correct on the bride, but the color in the background has way too much yellow in it…

by Sgt. Dingleberry on Dec 8, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

What the...

My eyes…put the skirt down. NOW!

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

rec'd

Thing A

"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud

by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

HEY-O!

"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat

by deuce deuce on Dec 8, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

But still shaves his legs.

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Bad image.

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I see he shaved his beard

Can’t see from this angle.

Playoff baseball is fun. We should do this more often.

by bgunn on Dec 8, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Worse image.

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

LOL CLAYTON KERSHAW'S FACE

Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!

by jcb9 on Dec 8, 2010 1:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Damn we're smooth.

Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!

by jhiat00 on Dec 8, 2010 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

OK I was a little lost

with the Aristotle, Glee and the elements of style discussions,

BUT I GET BEAVIS!

hehhe hehh heehh yeah. smooth!

Finally a signature worth having:

Fan of the World Champion San Francisco Giants.

by fierrpawz on Dec 8, 2010 7:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Mia Farrow has aged rather well.

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Does this shirt make me look fat?

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

k... that's just a little awkward, where in the hell did you get this

His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?

by PiKAgiant on Dec 8, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

He was the photographer. Duh.

"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat

by deuce deuce on Dec 8, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I ALMOST FEEL BAD

His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?

by PiKAgiant on Dec 8, 2010 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

i would rather not, for the sake of the people behind me in class

His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?

by PiKAgiant on Dec 8, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

/Jamie McCourt proposes a toast

"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10

by Kitspool on Dec 8, 2010 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Jeez…. I’m no photographer, but that’s two pictures which seem fugged up.

The San Francisco Giants - YOUR 2010 WORLD CHAMPIONS

by zuma420 on Dec 8, 2010 6:50 PM PST up reply actions  

This seems shopped. And really badly a that.

Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly

by say hey nation on Dec 8, 2010 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

But there’s a foot shadow.

Placeholder.

by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Its the lighting, that is doing it for me

Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly

by say hey nation on Dec 8, 2010 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

If someone could shop..

Denorfia diving at a dancing Clayton Kershaw in the outfield I would love you forever

by DFARowand on Dec 8, 2010 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Or a diving Denofira between Kershaws legs.

Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly

by say hey nation on Dec 8, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

You handled that with great aplomb

Charlie Hayes ate my homework

by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 8, 2010 4:47 PM PST up reply actions  

:)

btw, I am a huge fan of your drug humor. I was lol’ing over several of your comments yesterday!

/throws fist full of glitter in the air!

♥ 2010 World Series Champion San Francisco Giants ♥
♥ McCoven ♥

by GiantsBabe on Dec 8, 2010 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

here’s hoping it’s a gateway to actual humor.
;-)

Charlie Hayes ate my homework

by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 9, 2010 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

She looks like she’s backing away now, letting Chris and Clayton have their moment.

I feel prickishly demanding!

I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.

by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 8, 2010 4:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Chris neets to be higher

so it looks like he’s jumping into Clayton’s arms

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

like this?

/throws fist full of glitter in the air!

♥ 2010 World Series Champion San Francisco Giants ♥
♥ McCoven ♥

by GiantsBabe on Dec 8, 2010 5:03 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

perfect

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 5:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Woops, cropped the pic

Your 2010 World Series Champion San Francisco Giants
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper

by Soulbrother16 on Dec 8, 2010 5:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Hinske 2.0

Your 2010 World Series Champion San Francisco Giants
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper

by Soulbrother16 on Dec 8, 2010 5:26 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

haha!!

We need that other guy from Lookout Landing (Nyler somebody?) for the perfect trio!

/throws fist full of glitter in the air!

♥ 2010 World Series Champion San Francisco Giants ♥
♥ McCoven ♥

by GiantsBabe on Dec 8, 2010 5:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Nyjer Morgan

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 5:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Nyjer Morgan would be better than Denorfia. Morgan in the background would look like bad dancing.

Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 7:55 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces strained obliques

by Giant among Angels on Dec 8, 2010 7:47 PM PST up reply actions  

what?

he just wants a hug…

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 7:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it was very nice of Eric to show up at the wedding. And look! He’s having a great time!

The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!

by TheLetter2 on Dec 9, 2010 7:14 AM PST up reply actions  

GiantsBabe!!!

Will you marry me?

This is awesome

by DFARowand on Dec 8, 2010 7:49 PM PST up reply actions  

haha! It was your great idea :)

I actually felt bad that I couldn’t do exactly what you asked for but I had to do a quickie MS Paint job and the dance floor was easier.

/throws fist full of glitter in the air!

♥ 2010 World Series Champion San Francisco Giants ♥
♥ McCoven ♥

by GiantsBabe on Dec 8, 2010 9:12 PM PST up reply actions  

/Denorfia’d!

Here's to the Dodgers and their bucket of suck.

by Woody Wins on Dec 9, 2010 10:01 PM PST up reply actions  

/mispronounces_her_name

Playoff baseball is fun. We should do this more often.

by bgunn on Dec 8, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

“And boy let me tell you, she does love them FAAAARMER Hot Dogs! Mmmm-MMM!”

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Whoa. Well done.

The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!

by TheLetter2 on Dec 8, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

"Mmmmm-MMMM!"

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

From the comments section:

“What an @asshole”

—Jamie McCourt

The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!

by TheLetter2 on Dec 8, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

lol, LOLDODGERS

His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?

by PiKAgiant on Dec 8, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

another comment:

“If only he knew I was selling him for $500,000 to the royals to cover my attorney fees, he might have thought twice about putting the dodgers in his wedding.”

Frank McCourt

LOL

/throws fist full of glitter in the air!

♥ 2010 World Series Champion San Francisco Giants ♥
♥ McCoven ♥

by GiantsBabe on Dec 8, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Wait, this is real?

Now I feel bad…but shouldn’t feel better, you know if that really is a Dodger spouse?

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

“Honey, quick! Grab this hotel bed comforter! Throw on this spare home jersey I always bring with me in case I spill food on my reg uni, throw on these cleats Elvis Andrus must’ve left here on his last road trip and I’ll fashion this here bug net into some sort of head piece — then we’ll hop outside our hotel and git married right now!”

by Every6thDay on Dec 8, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

You know what just ruined my day? Learning Kershaw is a great-nephew of astronomer Clyde Tombaugh. Makes me glad Pluto’s not a planet anymore. We don’t need any of that ilk clouding our solar system.

The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!

by TheLetter2 on Dec 8, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

That’s two McCoven doing w-a-y to much research on Clayton Kershaw. Anyone else?

Playoff baseball is fun. We should do this more often.

by bgunn on Dec 8, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Look, I was giving the kid the benefit of the doubt. But the wedding pictures just solidified my dislike for him.

The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!

by TheLetter2 on Dec 8, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

LOL

The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.

Et tu, Ribe?

by Solidarity on Dec 8, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Of all the planetoid objects in the solar system,

I like the Kuiper Belt the best.

"Campeones." - Andres Torres
Please follow my Twitter

by Murray, Present on Dec 8, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Ah, I see what you did there.

The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!

by TheLetter2 on Dec 8, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

My childhood spent reading about astronomy has been retroactively ruined.

"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"

by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 8:00 PM PST up reply actions  

He’s going to suck next year!

Belted!

by AndYourBirdCanSing on Dec 8, 2010 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

One thing we know

She must have a GREAT personality.

"And as Edgar rounds the bases the ghosts run with him, the great ones like Mays and McCovey and Cepeda, and the almost forgotten ones like Bolin and LeMaster and Manwaring…" - J. Rant

by Giant Torture on Dec 8, 2010 12:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I am still pissed they eliminated the swimsuit competition.

2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller

by Johnny Disaster on Dec 8, 2010 11:41 AM PST reply actions  

Meh… Victorias Secret show is better

His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?

by PiKAgiant on Dec 8, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

They would have had the bondage show on lock too.

Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry

by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 8, 2010 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Deja vu all over again

That article is almost a word-for-word reprint of the one Crasnick posted on the ESPN.com site back on Nov. 15th. All BA did was give it a new headline, a new ending, and move a few things around: here’s the original article:
Bringing the Giants forward, from behind
 

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

by Fla-Giant on Dec 8, 2010 11:43 AM PST reply actions  

Wiat isn't that

unethical?

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

its more like illegal plagarism, but whos even reading it

The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.

Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.

by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

it’s his own article, he can do whatever he wants with it, I figure.

"No matter how hard you try, it's not easy." Armando Benitez, 9-12-06

by leftyodoul on Dec 8, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Did we talk about J.J. Putz to the Diamondbacks?

Oy, what a schmuck that Putz is.

"Campeones." - Andres Torres
Please follow my Twitter

by Murray, Present on Dec 8, 2010 11:48 AM PST reply actions  

did Kevin Mench ever hit a homer off of Putz?

that joke would write itself.

Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...

by Smoke on the Water on Dec 8, 2010 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, somebody to fill the gaping hole of suck left by Chad Qualls.

The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.

Et tu, Ribe?

by Solidarity on Dec 8, 2010 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Madison M. F. Bumgarner

sounds like an author circa 1920s

you ever been on a real shrimpin' boat?

no, but i've been on a real big boat

by Larry Bamar on Dec 8, 2010 11:49 AM PST reply actions  

I think in the 1920s people knew better than to use ‘Madison’ as a first name.

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Madison Jones would like a word with you. Also, there’s a running back named Madison Hedgecock. For an MCC tie-in, there’s apparently a famous eugenicist named Madison Grant.

2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller

by Johnny Disaster on Dec 8, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

OH LOOK THEY WERE ALSO WRONG.

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Zack Greinke update
Zack Greinke Rumors: Wednesday
By Tim Dierkes [December 8 at 1:41pm CST]
Yesterday we learned that teams may be upping their offers for Royals ace Zack Greinke, though the Nationals are out. The latest:

Five teams are seriously pursuing Greinke and another three are on the periphery, reports Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports – in an article, not a tweet! The Royals are specific with their request – pitching to replace Greinke and up-the-middle help. The Royals are moving slowly and there is no frontrunner. The Rangers, Dodgers, Nationals, and Blue Jays have shown some measure of interest.

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 11:55 AM PST reply actions  

Not sure if this is chasm but I agree…

Get Greinke and trade Sanchez for a bat…

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Get Greinke for what? I assume you don’t intend to give up Bumgarner, so that means Wheeler and a lot more.

Thing A

"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud

by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah…Wheeler, Neal, and someone else…

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

CRAWFORD!

Up the middle help. DONE.

but seriously…. Durty?

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

This made me laugh a lot more than it should have.

Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.

I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog

THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES

by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

L O S T was a great show.

Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!

by jhiat00 on Dec 8, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Let 'em dream.

Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.

I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog

THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES

by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

One does not simply walk into Mordor!

I got it.

San Francisco Giants: 2010 World Series Champions
Buster Posey: 100% ballplayer, 0% bullshit

by free f.p. #14 on Dec 8, 2010 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

3rd movie at best!!

The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.

Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.

by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

No, no

Third best trilogy, at best. After, uh, the Matrices and Spy Kids.

"Mow bwiefings?" "More briefings."

by stobgopper on Dec 8, 2010 5:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I really really hope its a /chasm as to the Matrices…

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 5:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Trilogic

Deep /chasm, yes. However, I was very disappointed at the third Spy Kids flick, as it pretty much destroyed what came before. Ditto (dare I say it?) The Santa Clause 3. As for the Matrices, the Wachowskis blew their whole thing up 10 minutes into “Revolutions.”

"Mow bwiefings?" "More briefings."

by stobgopper on Dec 8, 2010 5:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Spy Kids 3D

changed my life

Big Ups to Matt Downs
"He told me he was gonna do it"- Andres Torres

by jdoldham831 on Dec 8, 2010 7:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Hated that movie

Managed to be long and boring and still cut out a ton of good shit from the books.

I guess I just don’t like long extended battle sequences. They bore me after like a minute. Is something wrong with me?

"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"

by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 8:03 PM PST up reply actions  

what (of importance)

did it cut from the books? If you say Tom Bombadil, I will cut you.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 8:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Stephen Colbert will not, though. He loves Tom Bombadil.

Placeholder.

by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 8:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Tom Bombadil

Seriously, though, the Scouring of the Shire.

Seriously seriously, though, I love how random Tom Bombadil is. There’s a character in the story that just makes no fucking sense. It goes against all the rules of good writing.

"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"

by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 8:07 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah

the scouring of the shire would have been nice.

The parts I liked the least were the parts they added. Still liked the movies overall though

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 8:09 PM PST up reply actions  

The movie already had seven endings. The scouring would have been ludicrous.

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 8:12 PM PST up reply actions  

well I'd assume

they’d cut some out of the other parts.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 8:13 PM PST up reply actions  

The lamest part of the movies and the books is the ghost army.

That could have used a cut.

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 8:16 PM PST up reply actions  

They cut out of the cartoon, that’s for sure.

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 8:17 PM PST up reply actions  

meh that was pretty important

I didn’t like the way they handled it though.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 8:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Which part of it? I found it rather anti-climatic, and I wasn’t sure about the sequence in which Aragorn meets the army in the cave.

I feel prickishly demanding!

I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.

by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 8, 2010 8:32 PM PST up reply actions  

the whole recruiting part is pretty important

but you’re right, once they got there, the whole rest of the battle sucked. That’s the part I didn’t like about it, and was really far from the way I pictured it in the books

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 8:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Talk about crank-yanking. I stood up to leave at least twice and then sat through the rest.

May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum

by natteringnabob on Dec 8, 2010 8:17 PM PST up reply actions  

The parts I liked the least were the parts they added.

This! So much this. I hate it when movies are made from books and they cut stuff out only to replace it with random unnecessary crap.

"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."

by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 9:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Aragorn falling

pissed me off the most, with Frodo abandoning Sam coming in a close 2nd.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 9:09 PM PST up reply actions  

When does Frodo abandon Sam?

by speckops on Dec 8, 2010 9:11 PM PST up reply actions  

right before he goes into Shelob's cave

after Gollum frames him for eating the Lembas Bread.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 9:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Oooh. I’d forgotten about that.

by speckops on Dec 8, 2010 9:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I would argue the Tom Bombadil is perhaps one of the most important parts of the trilogy, thematically. Plot-wise? Not so much.

Eh? Whatever. I loved him.

by WesHanson on Dec 8, 2010 8:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Last week ESPN reported Greinke would be open to playing for the Yankees

No one else reported this and they all said he DOESN’T want to go there. Why does ESPN think everyone wants to play for the Yankees?

Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 6:37 PM PST up reply actions  

It makes them money

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 6:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought Greinke's agent made this statement.

He wants out of KC. Up to 10 teams are on his no trade list. The agent said that was for leverage to renegotiate a new contract should he be dealt to one of those teams. NY is on that list. The agent made it clear that Greinke would be open to playing anywhere, including NY. Probably also to put urgency on other clubs to make a deal, which would actually favor KC if they are serious about dealing him.

Roy Halladay just woke up in a cold sweat. He had a dream about this rodeo clown with a stick...

by The Czar on Dec 8, 2010 10:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Everyone else says NYY is on his no-trade list.

Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 11:49 PM PST up reply actions  

eh

reason?

Roy Halladay just woke up in a cold sweat. He had a dream about this rodeo clown with a stick...

by The Czar on Dec 8, 2010 10:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep, i'll agree with this,

they’ve done very well with draft picks

His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?

by PiKAgiant on Dec 8, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Sabean's revised advice for fututre GM's

Have some losing years to get top 10 draft picks, don’t give them away by signing type A free agents, don’t be cheap in draft, don’t trade young starting pitching, and enjoy your World Series Championship

by NateEveryday on Dec 8, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

/Tucker’d

"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"

by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 8:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Sabean's revised advice for fututre GM's

Have some losing years to get top 10 draft picks, don’t give them away by signing type A free agents, don’t be cheap in draft, don’t trade young starting pitching, and enjoy your World Series Championship

by NateEveryday on Dec 8, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

This

DB: You don’t think that Obama wasn’t born in the United States, do you?
LS: He was not born here.
DB: [Sighs].
LS: That’s my belief. I was born here. If someone accuses me of not being born here, I can go — within 10 minutes — to my filing cabinet and I can pick up my real birth certificate and I can go, “See? Look! Here it is. Here it is.” The man has dodged everything. He dodges questions, he doesn’t answer anything. And why? Because he’s hiding something.

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 12:07 PM PST up reply actions  

ok, he’s crazy/ignorant…. but why are reporters engaging in on the record political discussions with ballplayers at the winter meetings?

Thing A

"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud

by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Because nothing else is happening at the winter meetings. Need to blog about SOMETHING.

The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.

Et tu, Ribe?

by Solidarity on Dec 8, 2010 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I have it on good authority that Obama

is really a vampire. The dark makeup he applies every morning covers up his glittery skin. Have you ever seen anyone run their finger across his forehead to see if it wipes off? Of course you haven’t. He’s HIDING SOMETHING, DUH!

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

If only they could vote, he’d dominate the 14-year-old girl demographic at the polls.

I feel prickishly demanding!

I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.

by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 8, 2010 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Are you a reporter for Fox News?

Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!

by breadfan7 on Dec 8, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

OBAMA’S BLACKFACING IT!!

The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.

Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.

by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Wait

That doesn’t make sense! How does he apply makeup if he can’t see his own reflection?

Almost had me there.

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

The makeup would still show up, right?

by Natto on Dec 8, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

But how would he know if he got everything covered?

It just doesn’t add up, I tell ya.

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Just cover the spot that’s still showing.

by Natto on Dec 8, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

His awkward teen girlfriend who is in a conflict with her father applies the makeup for him.

Duh.

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 5:01 PM PST up reply actions  

That doesn't make sense to me

But I’m willing to agree to disagree on whether or not it is possible that Obama is a vampire who puts on makeup.

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 5:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I look at Ted Nugent and … he’s an American. He has the core beliefs of what it means to be an American in his heart. He lives by those beliefs and those principles. It’s the same beliefs that our forefathers, who fought for our country, have. I’d be real interested in meeting him one day.

Ted Neugent is one of those guys that I’ve heard mentioned a lot but have no real experience with. Still, been performing since he was ten, that’s pretty cool. Also….

In 1978, Nugent began a relationship with seventeen-year-old Hawaii native Pele Massa. Due to the age difference between him and Massa, Nugent could not marry her, so he joined Massa’s parents in signing documents to make himself her legal guardian, an arrangement that Spin magazine ranked in October 2000 as #63 on their list of the “100 Sleaziest Moments in Rock”.

Whoa. Geez. Icky. Still, I’m sure he has many other traits that do the country proud. A real man’s man. Takes care of his business. Sure, the thing with the….

In 2005 Nugent was involved in a legal battle for not paying enough child support for a child he had out of wedlock in 1995.22 It was finally resolved when Nugent was ordered to pay $3,500 a month to the mother of the 10-year-old son named Christian Taylor whom Nugent has allegedly never met.

/end wikipedia fueled slander.

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Sounds like a real American to me.

Belted!

by AndYourBirdCanSing on Dec 8, 2010 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Fights for the rights of every man.

Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!

by jhiat00 on Dec 8, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Fight for what's right - fight for your life

Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!

by jcb9 on Dec 8, 2010 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

FIGHT!.....FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHT........TO PAARRTY!!!

Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???

by oldrips on Dec 8, 2010 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

But I'm sure that was Scott's point!

I mean, Thomas Jefferson fathered children outside of marriage with a slave. Benjamin Franklin had an illegitimate son whose mother may have been a prostitute. Truly, Ted Nugent has lived the values of our Founding Fathers.

Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
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by jcb9 on Dec 8, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Are we sure Pele Massa was born in Hawaii? Has anyone seen her birth certificate?

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by Kitspool on Dec 8, 2010 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

She was probably actually born in Zanzibar, like Jerome Williams.

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by jcb9 on Dec 8, 2010 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Piling on
That’s not what makes this country great. That’s what tears down a people, tears down nations. Hence, the problem we’re having in this country, where we’re experiencing unemployment. We’re experiencing all of these negative things that are happening in our land as a direct result of that type of attitude — of too much government involvement, of moral decay, and of people lacking honor and integrity.

Eighty years ago, 50 years ago, a man would walk up to another man and go in for loan. He’d extend his hand, he’d shake it and he’d look at the man and he’d say, “I’ll pay this back.” He would do it. You couldn’t even … to even mention that [scenario] today … is that a cartoon fantasy? That’s how far we are removed.

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

ProTip Mr Scott

Back in the day, people were still assholes.

I can't fight this feeling anymore!

by ResDog on Dec 8, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

And that is not how loans worked.

I feel prickishly demanding!

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by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 8, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I mean

maybe microloans between friends, but that still happens today, all the damn time.

I’m pretty sure a handshake wasn’t enough to seal your mortgage in 1960.

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by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

oh my god

I didn’t even see the “Eighty years ago” part. Hey, Mr Scott, do you remember a major economic event that was happening 80 years ago? Something that might make people pretty much stop giving out loans entirely?

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by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Nope.

America never had economic problems before now.

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by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

This looks like a very enjoyable game of

pick-on-the-hick going on in this subthread.

My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.

by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

more like

pick on the guy who probably shouldn’t have been talking politics and economics to a reporter but did anyways.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
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by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

In his defense,

The reporter had no place to ask him the question he did. The guy probably knew Scott’s history and asked a probing question he knew would make him go off.

There is no reason to ask him about the 2nd amendment and if may be taken away when you are supposed to be discussing baseball.

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by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

true

but Scott could also have pretty easily dodged the question

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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

True

but he has not shown a history of shying away from it. There is a good chance the reporter knew that.

Does not detract from how dumb he sounded, or that the question was pretty stupid too.

Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.

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THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES

by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

And that’s probably why the reporter asked him. Makes his column more interesting.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

page views, FTW!

Charlie Hayes ate my homework

by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 8, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

ironically, that’s probably the kind of social change Scott should’ve been complaining about.

Thing A

"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud

by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

so much this

reading that interview made me uncomfortable, and not just because Scott is obviously an ignorant kook. To me, the interviewer came off as exploitive and haughty.

Thing A

"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud

by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think anyone called him a hick.

Aside from you at least.

But he has defintely shown a lack of knowledge on 1 – History, and 2 – Understanding human reactions.

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THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES

by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I have no problem calling him a hick.

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok 2 people then.

But let it be known GiantPain started it.

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THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES

by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

well apparently

things were pretty “Great” in that era…

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Or something.
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by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

When was the last time we had a really Good Depression? You never hear about those.

The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!

by TheLetter2 on Dec 8, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

The last episode of Six Feet Under.

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by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Jurassic Bark.

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 2:55 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

I’m tearing up from the memory.

by Monkeyking42 on Dec 8, 2010 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

All economic problems are Obama’s fault.

I feel prickishly demanding!

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by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 8, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Just want to take a quick poll

How long till we dip below 8% unemployment?

honest question. I have my theories and I am curious to hear what others think.

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 5:47 PM PST up reply actions  

really depends

we could get it below 8% in months if we’re willing to pump a lot of money into infrastructure jobs. Probably not going to happen this congress though, and definitely won’t happen next congress.

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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 5:52 PM PST up reply actions  

OBAMA

BUILD ME THAT PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE THAT THE SCIENCE FICTION PROMISED!!

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 5:54 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

or, you know, update our woefully out of date sewage systems, or our power grid, or our bridges, or building offshore wind farms

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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 5:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Those sound boring.

I want a top that never falls over, like the one in Inception. He be takin’ my taxes and not be givin’ me my perpetual motion. What’s the deal with that?

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 6:05 PM PST up reply actions  

My thinking is we wont see 5% for at least 10 years.

8% is a much easier mark to reach than 5% so any number of variables might make that happen, such as infrastructure projects like you mentioned. But without such intervention, I would think we are 2-3 years away. I am undecided on whether or not that kind of intervention is the right thing. Afterall cutting interest rates only allowed the balloon to blow up bigger before it popped.

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 5:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with you

but I’m certain intervention is a good thing. Those infrastructure projects NEED to be done, and putting off upgrading an overloaded sewer system till it breaks is like never getting your car tuned up or oil changed until the engine fails and calling it “fiscally responsible car ownership”.

Plus, they will put people to work, which will give them money, which they will spend, which will put more people to work, and so on and so forth.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 6:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I am hoping that venture cap regains some steam.

There’s a lot of pressure against that happening, but that would be a real solution potentially. But I agree if projects need to be done, get them done. But I am not so sure about more “elective procedures” for a lack of better words.

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 6:06 PM PST up reply actions  

well define "elective"

this is a pretty good rundown of the water main situation in the country, and similar problems exist with sewage systems and bridges. Wind power and grid issues aren’t urgent, but they do provide relatively substantial long term gains for short term expense, which goes against the corporate mantra that’s infected the thinking in the US.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 6:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Sacramento has a great sewer system!

It’s called the American River.

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 6:06 PM PST up reply actions  

what about the sac river

His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?

by PiKAgiant on Dec 8, 2010 6:07 PM PST up reply actions  

oh why not

join the party!

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 6:10 PM PST up reply actions  

SURE!!!! Don’t mind if i do!

His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?

by PiKAgiant on Dec 8, 2010 6:11 PM PST up reply actions  

The rhetoric around DC is not one that encourages you to think they are going to do anything that attempts to lessen unemployment — that is, that en masse congress doesn’t believe that’s the most important goal to tackle. As I result I wouldn’t surprised to see it go up a little more rather than down (of course, there are going to be some numbers falling off the other side of the stats, so that will help the numbers look better. some.)

MY DAD WAS WRONG!

by Roger on Dec 8, 2010 6:16 PM PST up reply actions  

This is unfortunately true

and monumentally stupid.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 6:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Improving unemployment is the single most important thing

to do to help the economy truly recover.

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 6:25 PM PST up reply actions  

yup

and, interestingly enough, spending more to lower unemployment will also help the deficit.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 6:27 PM PST up reply actions  

To be fair, he may be referring to the Mafia.

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I wonder why all those lazy people during the Great Depression..

Didn’t just ask their rich friends from loans. Much smarter than that whole New Deal thing

by DFARowand on Dec 8, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Cough
Scott recounted a time when he was thankful he was prepared, a late night when he was at a gas station in Texas.

“Last year, we had a lot of people come in from New Orleans to Houston shortly after Hurrican Katrina. There were a lot of people walking the streets. I knew my surroundings. I wasn’t in that good of a part of town and it was 1 o’clock in the morning,” Scott said. “I was by myself and no one was around. I just took my gun and put it right there.”

Scott lifted his shirt to reveal his handgun tucked down the front of his pants, the handle slightly visible.

“I saw this guy about 30 feet away. I’m just watching him, minding my own business and, as he approached me, I said, ‘Can I help you with something?’ Just like that.”

Reenacting the incident, Scott demonstrated how he lifted his shirt to reveal his Glock.

“I could see he had something in his hand behind him, and he stopped, and his eyes got real big and he started stuttering, so you know he’s up to no good.”

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?id=2691043

Dude was carrying a gun to protect himself from people who had just had everything taken away from them.

Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.

I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog

THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES

by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s amazing how I’ve never had to do that.

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Or

Guns: Making Minorities Stutter Since 1776!

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah Scott

because you’d probably be totally composed if someone you were trying to ask for a dollar so you could eat that night threatened you with a loaded pistol.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

You intimatin' yerself into an early grave, Yankee!

/brandishes handgun

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah,

I like how he automatically jumps from the reaction that he was up to no good and not FRIGHTENED BECAUSE YOU JUST SHOWED HIM A GUN

Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.

I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog

THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES

by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

/furrows brow

/brandishes gun, just in case

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Luke Scott carries a gun in his pants. His logic is impeccable. Your argument is invalid.

I feel prickishly demanding!

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by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 8, 2010 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

well,

he DID graduate from Oklahoma State…

Charlie Hayes ate my homework

by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 8, 2010 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Well to be fair…

I don’t think any of us are Bill Bradley, Bryon White, or Myron Rolle

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

How often does Luke Scott wash that white hood of his?

Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 6:39 PM PST up reply actions  

No one ever question before a President’s birth certificate until a black man won.

Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 6:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Must be fun being wrong

There have always been questions about candidate’s birthplaces. George Romney, 1968:http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FB0B14FA3458137A93C7A8178ED85F438685F9

John McCain, 2008: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/01/AR2008050103224.html

My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.

by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 6:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Not a president

"I dont always hit home runs, but when I do, I prefer World Series winning home runs"

by CB30 on Dec 8, 2010 6:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll admit that Obama is the first president to have significant birth certificate issues

But it’s SSS. Every president is accused of ridiculous things. Remember, Bush lied us into war?

My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.

by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 6:53 PM PST up reply actions  

He didn't?

So they found WMDs today? How did I miss that story?

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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 6:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think we found them

but we still have the receipts

Roy Halladay just woke up in a cold sweat. He had a dream about this rodeo clown with a stick...

by The Czar on Dec 8, 2010 10:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Some of us choose “lied” some of us choose “HE DUMB”. It’s gotta be one of them, right?

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by rotorueter on Dec 8, 2010 6:55 PM PST up reply actions  

depends

I think there’s a pretty good amount of evidence showing that Bush should have known that the WMD situation in Iraq was much more of an uncertainty than he showed.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 6:56 PM PST up reply actions  

And why is the former a ridiculous option?

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 6:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Especially considering stuff like that has actually happened in American history prior to Iraq. “Remember the Maine”.

Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.

by rotorueter on Dec 8, 2010 6:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Gulf of Tonkin incident

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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 7:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Not really. Not ones that were around during that time and opposed the war. Opinion is pretty mixed overall.

Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.

by rotorueter on Dec 8, 2010 7:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I can't speak for all Democrats

but he’s not in my list of top 5 presidents of the 20th century

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 7:05 PM PST up reply actions  

He was basically the Democrats Nixon.

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 7:43 PM PST up reply actions  

as a Democrat

I actually kind of like Nixon. He’d be better than this batch of Republicans, that’s for sure.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 7:45 PM PST up reply actions  

This may be unjust, but I’m going to guess that you didn’t actually live through the Nixon years, but have instead read about them.

MY DAD WAS WRONG!

by Roger on Dec 8, 2010 7:53 PM PST up reply actions  

that would be true

but just looking at his policies and goals, I agree with WAY more of them than I do with any modern mainstream Republicans

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 7:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Unfortunately, and perhaps ironically, he was actually the genesis of some of the more odious policies that are currently espoused by lots of Democrats. Like farm subsidies.

Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.

by rotorueter on Dec 8, 2010 8:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Whoa, what?

How can you be so anti-racism and say that you actually like Nixon?

"There are times when an abortion is necessary. I know that. When you have a black and a white"
The second point is that coming out—coming back and saying
that black Americans aren’t as good as black Africans—most
of them , basically, are just out of the trees. Now, let’s
face it, they are.

Nixon was actual racist scum.

My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.

by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 8:06 PM PST up reply actions  

well

mostly because I’d never read that stuff.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 8:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Comments on San Franciscans are amusing.

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 8:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Okay not amusing,

revealing…

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 8:10 PM PST up reply actions  

My view of LBJ

He was an egomaniac so enamored with his own legacy that he would never compromise regardless of the good it might create. I mean Viet Nam was his deal…

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 8:02 PM PST up reply actions  

A legacy including the Civil Rights Act.
I admire him for being effective if nothing else.

by waelwulf on Dec 8, 2010 8:17 PM PST up reply actions  

A) Not that much.
B) The ones that do like him despite the war.
C) This is irrelevant.

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 7:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Heh… BJ

Placeholder.

by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 8:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Lyndon Johnson did more good than all but a few of Presidents in the last century. He also did more bad than all but a few Presidents in the last century.

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by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 8:17 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah pretty much.

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by jponry on Dec 8, 2010 8:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Mexican-American war, too (Polk makes up some crap about Mexican forces invading the US, Lincoln calls him on it, nobody listens).

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 7:06 PM PST up reply actions  

And yet Polk is lionized today.

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by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 8:18 PM PST up reply actions  

The Mexican-American war is weird in that it’s clear beyond any doubt to anyone that America was “the bad guy” (Ulysses S. Grant, who fought in the war, called it “one of the most unjust ever waged by a stronger against a weaker nation”) and yet it’s still somehow viewed as heroic, even today.

“Remember the Alamo”, for example.

by Cookyman on Dec 9, 2010 6:46 AM PST up reply actions  

I mean

Which of the following is ridicolous:

  • The idea that a president would be willing to lie to the nation?
  • The idea that Bush could have known that there is no good reason to think there are WMD’s in Iraq?
  • The idea that Bush wanted to invade Iraq regardless of whether it had WMD’s?

Because if those three are plausible, so is the claim that he lied. And I’d say at least two of these are undeniable truths, and the other is definitely plausible.

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 7:05 PM PST up reply actions  

This isn't what I meant to discuss

I actually don’t like George Bush, at all. I made a tactical error in this debate, getting pulled into attempting to defend my least favorite president of the past 30 years.

My point was only that every president is slandered, and that people are far too willing to equate criticism and skepticism of President Obama with racism.

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by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 7:09 PM PST up reply actions  

it's not THAT he's getting slandered

it’s HOW he’s getting slandered

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by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 7:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I could be persuaded to agree with the last sentence overall, but specifically defending the birther movement is a mistake, I think.

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by rotorueter on Dec 8, 2010 7:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Whoa there

I never defended the birther movement. They’re bad, dumb, and wrong. Just like the millions of other people who have slandered previous presidents.

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by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 7:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t understand. You think that the movement is bad, but that it isn’t necessarily racist? Why else would it be bad?

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by rotorueter on Dec 8, 2010 7:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I just don’t know how to respond here. How do you not make the connection from “BORN IN INDONESIA BORN IN KENYA” to racism?

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by rotorueter on Dec 8, 2010 7:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t hate everyone born in Kenya. I just don’t think any of them can be President. Obama wasn’t born in Kenya, but believing he was makes you automatically dumb and/or ignorant, not hateful and racist. There’s a good chance some of the birthers ARE racist, but assuming that they all are doesn’t make sense to me.

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by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 7:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I think the movement is racially-based overall, which would account for its strangely large following compared to similar anti-candidate/anti-incumbent movements, but that there are several people who are simply dumb-as-rocks and not racist within the movement.

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by rotorueter on Dec 8, 2010 7:43 PM PST up reply actions  

saying the birther movement isn’t necessarily fueled by race is much different than defending it.

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by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 7:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I disagree 100%.

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by rotorueter on Dec 8, 2010 7:13 PM PST up reply actions  

What’s your explanation for the fact that there’s a huge controversy over Obama’s birthplace, and absolutely non over McCain’s?

Give me one plausible explanation that doesn’t involve bigotry.

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 7:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Obama won.

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by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 7:12 PM PST up reply actions  

If McCain had been elected

You would have heard a lot more about his birthplace.

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by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 7:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I think he’s referring to during the campaign.

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by rotorueter on Dec 8, 2010 7:14 PM PST up reply actions  

IIRC

The issue really exploded after the election.

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by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 7:15 PM PST up reply actions  

it was all over the place during the election as well.

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by jponry on Dec 8, 2010 7:50 PM PST up reply actions  

but the non-super-right-wing nut-jobs didn't buy in till after the election.

Basically you had the John Birch society and Michael Savage waiving this banner during the election then the Tea Party happened.

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by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 8:04 PM PST up reply actions  

you can't forget

the seekrit muslin stuff either

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by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 7:16 PM PST up reply actions  

half breed muslin

WWRWD?

by SF Pete on Dec 8, 2010 7:16 PM PST up reply actions  

i mean sure

idiots said Kennedy would bow to the will of the pope too, but at least Kennedy was actually Catholic.

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by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 7:17 PM PST up reply actions  

The controversy started waaay before he won.

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 7:13 PM PST up reply actions  

McCain doesn’t have a foreign born parent who spent most of his life living in another country?

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by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 7:15 PM PST up reply actions  

That actually borders on racism (Obama was born in the States, McCain wasn’t; their parents are irrelevant).

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 7:18 PM PST up reply actions  

That McCain doesn’t have a foreign born parent who spent most of his life living in another country.

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by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 7:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Who says anyone is racist for stating that fact?

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 7:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I wasn’t calling sam racist, if that’s what you’re implying.

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 7:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Apologies

That’s what your reply read like to me.

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by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 7:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Ah, OK

I didn’t phrase it well.

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 7:28 PM PST up reply actions  

How is it relevant where his mother was born?

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by rotorueter on Dec 8, 2010 7:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Not born, lived.

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by rotorueter on Dec 8, 2010 7:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Kansas?

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by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 7:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Indonesia.

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by rotorueter on Dec 8, 2010 7:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Racist.

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by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 7:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Huh? No, the point Cooky is making is that all of the focus was on the guy who had a foreign-born parent and a mother who briefly lives abroad, instead of the dude who was actually born in Panama.

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by rotorueter on Dec 8, 2010 7:27 PM PST up reply actions  

He asked for one non-racist reason why people think Obama wasn't born in America

And sam said it might be because he had a foreign-born parent who lived abroad most of his life.

In my opinion, that is a non-racist reason why one might think that Obama was born overseas.

You would, of course, be wrong – Obama was not born overseas.

But you wouldn’t be racist for thinking he was because he had a foreign-born father and spent his childhood living overseas.

You’d just be wrong. Not racist.

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by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 7:29 PM PST up reply actions  

But we aren’t talking about one person. We are trying to explain why one movement formed, and why another didn’t.

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by rotorueter on Dec 8, 2010 7:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Its much easier to believe that the candidate with a Kenyan father wasn’t born here than it is to believe that the candidate with the naval war hero wasn’t born here. Maybe you call that racism, but I think that just seems kinda logical. (again its not logical at all to assume that Obama WASN’T born here, but if you’re gonna assume, based on no information, that one of the candidates wasn’t born here then it could make sense that your assumption would be Obama.)

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by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 7:50 PM PST up reply actions  

McCain was born on a US Naval base in Panama!

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by rotorueter on Dec 8, 2010 7:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I know.

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by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 8:03 PM PST up reply actions  

(father)

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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
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by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 7:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Seriously

Forget about birthplace – 27% of Americans (and 41% of Republicans) don’t even think he’s a citizen.

Which, of course, he would be even if he hadn’t been born in the US, and even if his father had never been to the US.

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 7:31 PM PST up reply actions  

On one hand

this is probably the product of dumb people not reading/listening to the question (closely enough or at all).

On the other hand, this is why every election I consider relaligning my party affiliation or absolving it altogether.

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by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 7:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Based on some of the comments below, it strikes me as a significant irony that there are historians who believe the only reason that line of the Constitution exists at all is because of the antipathy that Jefferson, Adams et al had for Hamilton. The “must be born in the US” codicil was put in place to prevent Hamilton becoming President.

Which reminds me, that for my money, the craziest part of the Birther movement is the suggestion that in 1960 a whole bunch of people engaged in some criminal conspiracy for the sole purpose of allowing a black child to grow up to become President of the US (since that’s the one and only thing that he couldn’t do had he been born in Kenya or elsewhere).

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by Roger on Dec 8, 2010 8:03 PM PST up reply actions  

/logs in looking for Carl Crawford contract sub-thread

Oh, I guess I’m in the wrong place. Carry on, folks.

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by Kitspool on Dec 8, 2010 9:45 PM PST up reply actions  

To be fair

A decent percentage of respondents will answer yes to any poll question.

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by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 8:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Ask Hans Blix what he thinks.

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by rotorueter on Dec 8, 2010 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

a better example would be

“Bush allowed 9/11 to happen”

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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
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by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 6:55 PM PST up reply actions  

More like

“Bush wanted 9/11 to happen”.

“Allowed” is arguably correct, since it did, in fact, happen.

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 6:56 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah

I was going to mod that to say “…intentionally allowed 9/11 to happen” but got distracted.

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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
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by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 6:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow, the old credibility rating just took a hit…

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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 8, 2010 7:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually

You’re supporting SFGuy’s point.

As you show, there is much more of a legal controversy over whether or not McCain is a natural-born citizen than Obama (though obviously both are), and yet McCain’s story has gone completely unreported – the vast majority of people have no idea that anyone has ever questioned it.

Obama’s birth certificate, on the other, was a huge issue during the elections, with actual respected politicians and “journalists” making ridiculous accusations. To this day, at least 20%-30% of Americans think Obama wasn’t born in the states.

If you can come up with an explanation for this that doesn’t involve race, religion, or name, let me know. I think assuming that racism has little to do with it is somewhere between naive and delusional.

Obviously no one is actually suggesting that Scott is a Klan member, but yes, it’s hard to see how he could not be a racist.

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 6:52 PM PST up reply actions  

That was mainly a bad joke on my part. I won’t say anymore. I hate getting into politics.

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by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 7:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Is it strange I see your name and sometimes I think it’s my name?

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by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 7:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Except that, you know, George Romney and John McCain were both demonstrably born outside the United States (or at least for McCain the current territory of the United States).

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by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 8:16 PM PST up reply actions  

BUT COMEON MAN

HIS MIDDLE NAME IS HUSSEIN!!!! NO AMERICAN WOULD HAVE THAT MIDDLE NAME

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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
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by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 6:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Well I agree with this sentiment

and believe that a small fraction of people who believe Obama is not a citizen actually are motivated by social ignorance and or racial fear, I think pulling that card based on Scott’s comments is only inflamatory.

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by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 6:46 PM PST up reply actions  

"Well" should have been "while"

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by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 6:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't have any trouble

thinking he’s at least a little bit racist, given his gun story. But yeah, KKK member is probably going too far.

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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
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by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 6:47 PM PST up reply actions  

what?

which gun story? The one where he had a gun in his pants when a guy asked him for a dollar? He never said the guy wasn’t white. If thats the story you mean, thats quite an assumption.

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by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 7:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I would be willing to bet everything I own

that the guy in that story is not white.

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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 7:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ve never seen a white gun.

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by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 7:10 PM PST up reply actions  

read the sentence wrong

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by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 7:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Now you have

THE THING IS, IT HAPPENED - 11/1/10

by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Dec 8, 2010 7:47 PM PST up reply actions  

OK

You got me.

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by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 7:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ll add all of my belongings to that bet.

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by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 7:14 PM PST up reply actions  

you don’t think you shouldn’t just assume something like that before labeling someone a racist? Don’t you think thats a pretty serious allegation?

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by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 7:21 PM PST up reply actions  

like JD says below

you can tell from the language he uses.

There’s a chance I could be wrong, sure, but I’d say there’s something like a 99.5% chance that I’m right.

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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 7:25 PM PST up reply actions  

It all seems extremely circumstantial to me. I think you should have much more direct evidence before throwing the racist label around. Your assumption that the guy in Scott’s story is black appears just as racist to me as anything Scott said.

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by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 7:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn't say black

I said not white.

Find me one story where someone uses similar terminology and is talking about a white guy, and I’ll find you 100 where they’re not.

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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
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by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 7:40 PM PST up reply actions  

like I said, it just all seems very circumstantial and I think the racist label is a very serious one. Should Luke Scott have a gun in his pants? No. Should he flash that gun if he feels the least bit threatened? No. Does he have any reason to believe President Obama wasn’t born in this country? Of course not. Does all that add up to racist? I think thats a stretch, and not one I’m willing to make without much more clear evidence.

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by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 7:59 PM PST up reply actions  

KKK racist? no

Do I think he generally regards non-whites with more suspicion than whites? almost certainly.

It’s very likely that he has some racist tendencies. Is that better?

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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 8:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I think even that is an assumption since he didn’t even mention what race the guy in the story was, but that’s probably as close as we’re gonna get to accepting each other’s argument.

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by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 8:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Can we agree that he is a moron?

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by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 8:02 PM PST up reply actions  

what the FUCK are you guys talking about?

people who make assumptions based on race are fucking stupid. i hope youre not talking about someone from mCC

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by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 8:04 PM PST up reply actions  

We’re discussing Luke Scott. He’s the moron.

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by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 8:05 PM PST up reply actions  

oh ok. so long as it aint someone from around here.

i dont even know what happened to this entire thread; 1500 useless comments, lol.

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by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 8:10 PM PST up reply actions  

A typical thread. I would say.

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by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 8:12 PM PST up reply actions  

i think it’s more about the 1700+ comments on racism, bible interpretations and good grammar, while lacking anything baseball-related.

no worries, though. you guys have your fun, im going out for the eve

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by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 8:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Someone could mention pie and you’ll get over 100 comments

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by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 8:23 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah, i know how it is- its just the sensitivity of the topics that i tend to avoid on the ’net.

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by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 8:32 PM PST up reply actions  

/remembers not to eat the cake at speckops house

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by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 9:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Did he apply heimy’s chicken recipe to cake?

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by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 9:06 PM PST up reply actions  

The secret ingredient is luv! Or semen, one or the other.

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by natteringnabob on Dec 8, 2010 9:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Not as messy as fuck pie.

I can't fight this feeling anymore!

by ResDog on Dec 9, 2010 6:14 AM PST up reply actions  

yea we already did

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by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 8:04 PM PST up reply actions  

what story?

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by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 7:50 PM PST up reply actions  

"I saw this guy about 30 feet away. I’m just watching him, minding my own business and, as he approached me, I said, ‘Can I help you with something?’ Just like that."

Reenacting the incident, Scott demonstrated how he lifted his shirt to reveal his Glock.

"I could see he had something in his hand behind him, and he stopped, and his eyes got real big and he started stuttering, so you know he’s up to no good."

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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
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by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 7:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Isn't assuming this persons race entirely racist...?

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by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 8:06 PM PST up reply actions  

as stated above

“bad part of town” is coded language.

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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 8:12 PM PST up reply actions  

and i just realized

I didn’t include that part in the quote.

It’s a couple hundred posts upthread though.

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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 8:12 PM PST up reply actions  

If you aren’t going to accept the existence of coded phrases like ‘a bad neighborhood’ meaning ‘a place with darker people in them’ then yes, that’s quite an assumption.

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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 8, 2010 7:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I feel like you guys are making an awful lot of assumptions and using them to make some pretty serious charges. Luke Scott is completely ignorant for buying into the birther crap. Luke Scott is dumb for opening his mouth about politics. Everyone here agrees with that. Why do you guys feel the need to go any further than that in attacking Scott? I think its dangerous and irresponsible to go around calling people racist based only on their belief in one ridiculous conspiracy theory and your own assumptions.

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by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 7:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry Grant

I’m sorry for opening that big can of worms with that really awful joke (and commenting further).

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by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 7:32 PM PST up reply actions  

It might be best

If we all just pulled one of these

And backed away slowly.

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by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 8:09 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

How bout the Giants?

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by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 8:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I hear they won the World Series

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"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud

by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 8:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I really

love these kinds of discussions. Being able to have them with people who don’t immediately start frothing at the mouth and resorting to ad-homenim attacks is very refreshing.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 8:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I do <3 McC

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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.

by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 8:15 PM PST up reply actions  

DEGENERATE.

I bet you give oral sex to your pets.

/Gas Lamp Ball’d

by speckops on Dec 8, 2010 9:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not a teenager

but I do like troll.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 9:10 PM PST up reply actions  

BTW

You could also used Grandpa Simpson entering the brothel, turning around and leaving when he saw Bart.

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by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 8:15 PM PST up reply actions  

ftfy

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Or, an even better example

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-08-22/living/mf.campaign.slurs.slogans_1_jefferson-family-sally-hemings-vice-president-jefferson?_s=PM:LIVING

Adams’ men called Vice President Jefferson “a mean-spirited, low-lived fellow, the son of a half-breed Indian squaw, sired by a Virginia mulatto father.”

As the slurs piled on, Adams was labeled a fool, a hypocrite, a criminal, and a tyrant, while Jefferson was branded a weakling, an atheist, a libertine, and a coward.

Even Martha Washington succumbed to the propaganda, telling a clergyman that Jefferson was “one of the most detestable of mankind.”

Every president in our history has been unfairly slandered and accused of all sorts of things. Everyone just gets all worked up when it’s a president they like.

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by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

It was worse back then, as each candidate actually owned newspapers that slandered each other. There was also, like, slavery back then—-an overtly racist society.

Your arguing that things haven’t changed since then simply strengthens the argument that the birther movement is a racist one.

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by rotorueter on Dec 8, 2010 7:03 PM PST up reply actions  

BTW, I don’t even like Obama. I’m a moderate Independent (but registered Republican in CA because you can’t be an Independent here).

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by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 7:08 PM PST up reply actions  

my old roommate

is registered American Independent because he thought that was the same thing.

Whoops.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 7:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Whoops is right.

Side note: I could always have registered as “Decline to state” but that wasn’t worth it for the primaries.

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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 7:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I know at least two people who did this… it would be funny to see what percentage of their registers in each election are accidents.

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by natteringnabob on Dec 8, 2010 8:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Decline To State literally means Independent.

"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"

by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 8:23 PM PST up reply actions  

THis is me.

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by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 9:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Man, I’m glad I stopped participating in these comment threads a while ago. I think my blood pressure is better for it.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 8:10 PM PST up reply actions  

(this was meant as a reaction to the entire comment thread, not any individual comment. Discussing racism at length is bad for my blood pressure, even though my blood pressure is actually not a medical concern right now)

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 8:11 PM PST up reply actions  

REFUSING TO CONFRONT RACISM IS RACIST

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by rotorueter on Dec 8, 2010 8:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ll confront it. Just not on a message board. And not if I’m the physically smaller party. Which is usually.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 8:15 PM PST up reply actions  

exactly my sentiment. ill confront it, but not on a message board- conversations can get out of hand fast, or things you can can come off wrong and before you know it, you’re in a huge hole

The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.

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by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 8:24 PM PST up reply actions  

i didnt even get involved in any of it.

its real hard to talk about issues like religion and racism on the internet. only 10% of communication is the actual words- which leaves 90% for assumptions&misunderstandings.

The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.

Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.

by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 8:13 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s why I love having them here.

This place is remarkably civilized for a lightly moderated forum.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 8:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m fine talking about it. I just don’t want to to spend the next three hours of my life stressed out and typing furiously because I read too much into what one person wrote in one comment or because I happened to use a turn of phrase that didn’t actually represent my thought process.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 8:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I happened to use a turn of phrase that didn’t actually represent my thought process.

That wouldn’t happen to you if you were Jewish or Asian.

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by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 8:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Man, it would be pretty cool to be Aslan.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 8:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, wait… that’s not what you… uh, okay then.

/walks away.

Placeholder.

by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Definitely overrated, IMO.

"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"

by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

nah, Howie, I totally understand where you’re coming from. By the time you have your response typed out, there’s been 15 other comments and the whole subject has already changed enough to the point where you delete everything you just typed and then try to catch back up, only to have the same thing happen again.

not to mention misunderstandings

The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.

Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.

by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 8:26 PM PST up reply actions  

wow

come on now.

Thing A

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by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 6:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I've never seen Luke Scott's birth certificate

What’s he hiding?

I read on the internet that he was actually born in Idiotia, which makes him an Idiot, not an American.

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by EliminateMe on Dec 8, 2010 10:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I like that he holds hard work, integrity, and honor in such a high regard.

by IRONxMIKE on Dec 8, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I believe that 90% of baseball players are probably conservative

Which means a good percentage of them will be verrrry conservative. I bet a lot of ball players think this, but Scott’s just the only one who’s been asked.

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by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I think 90 percent of athletes are conservative fiscally…socially I’m not sure…

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm pulling this out of jcb9's ass

But I’d bet 90% of baseball players are f**king idiots.

You know, like the rest of the population.

I can't fight this feeling anymore!

by ResDog on Dec 8, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

John Rocker says Hi

The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.

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by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Fixed
John Rocker says Hi FUCK ALL OF YOU

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by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Fixed

John Rocker says Hi FUCK ALL OF YOU you have AIDS

The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.

Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.

by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

America, fuck yeah..

/bummer version

by wcw on Dec 8, 2010 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

"think of how stupid the average person is

then realize half the people are stupider than that!"

RIP

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

RIP
I love and treasure individuals as I meet them; I loathe and despise the groups they identify with and belong to.

I can't fight this feeling anymore!

by ResDog on Dec 8, 2010 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s not true, actually.

by Cookyman on Dec 8, 2010 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

depends on what you mean by average

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s pretty funny how openly contemptuous the interviewer is.

"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"

by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 8:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with this…I don’t really care about an athlete’s political views

I think Scott took the discussion in that direction by talking about Nugent and the 2nd Amendment

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 12:18 PM PST reply actions  

Reply fail…stupid office wifi

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought this:

DB: Is there any side of you that sees, politically, the point of people who are into gun control? Or do you worry that if we let [the government] take a little bit, they’ll take it all?

was the turning point of the interview. Scott was dumb enough to take the bait and then rambled on and on sounding more and more ignorant, but I just don’t understand why a sports reporter took the interview that direction in the first place.

Thing A

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by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey…makes it more interesting that his views on Mark Reynolds…

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Man

does DB stand for DoucheBag?

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by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Because he could write this story, which people will read because it’s inflammatory. Making news rather than reporting news, but reporters look for stories.

I feel prickishly demanding!

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by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 8, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

No assault rifles

No gun licenses for people with a history of violent crimes

That agreeable for most everyone, right?

by baetown415 on Dec 8, 2010 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

MINIATURE AMERICAN FLAGS FOR OTHERS

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THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES

by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Except most Americans, =P

At least on the first one. And it depends completely on your definition of “assault” rifles – the last A-R ban we had was incredibly broad.

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by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

what GP said

depends on how you define “Assault Rifle”

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

How does it matter what you define as “assault rifle”? More importantly, the relatively unregulated market for assault rifles is entirely screwing over our neighbor to the south. There are literally hundreds of people who die monthly in Ciudad Juarez/other drug towns in mexico from American guns.

by seaborn on Dec 8, 2010 8:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Personally, I don’t want guns for anyone…

Japan, Taiwan, Singapore has no guns and it has worked okay…

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Different places

And I highly doubt Japan, Taiwan, and Singapore have no guns on the black market. I’m 99.9% sure that’s not the case.

by baetown415 on Dec 8, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Taiwan and Singapore: Carrying a gun is a death penalty offense…

Even the mafia carries knives/machetes

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Even inside a Starbucks?

by non sequitur on Dec 8, 2010 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

oh no…Guns for everyone in Starbucks…

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

that sounds so much more reasonable than what we’ve got.

Thing A

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by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Again…I’m pretty extreme when it comes to gun ownership…I just don’t think it’s a necessary part of society…

I’m not a hunter but I can see an exception for that…other than that…I don’t need guns in my utopia world…

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s the sort of culture we have. I don’t like it, and I don’t have any use for guns myself, but it’s simply not possible to not have them.

"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"

by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 8:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Singapore’s always an interesting case study in how much freedom you need, and how much you are willing to give up, to live a peaceful and orderly life.

Of course, it’s a very tiny city-state with a huge expatriate population.

someone with more free time than sense.

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by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

funny story

in CA you don’t need a license to own a rifle or shotgun. You only have to pass a ludicrously easy test to get a handgun permit.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

but assault rifles are banned completely

“assault rifle” being any long gun that A) has a magazine capacity of >10 rounds, or B) can fire on full auto

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

People don't seem to realize that a good chunk of CA is actually pretty conservative leaning.

The valley especially. Perception is just thrown off by places like LA and SF.

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by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

true

also, our gun control laws are pretty strict compared to most other states.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

The big political/cultural divide in CA isn’t N/S, it’s E/W. The farther away from the coast you get, the more conservative the population, generally.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

marijuana grows better by the coast

The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.

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by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Tell that to Nevada City.

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by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually, this may not be true.

I worked at a summer camp for several years that was nestled up in the mountains an hour past Sonora on 108. Every few years the feds game in and busted HUGE pot farms on the surrounding mountain sides.

One year they even warned us to be aware that the groups that were running them may have known they were coming and may try to set the fields on fire before they seized them.

Sadly, they got there before they could.

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THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES

by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

there's a HUGE grow operation

off 101 N of Laytonville. Def. not the coast.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

compared to Humboldt County, Mendocino County- it just gets too hot in the high mountains for growing, unless meticulous care of taken of the plants.

The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.

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by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

well, it's in mendocino county

just not near the coast

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

in the forest, probably. or indoor

The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.

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by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

forest

yeah

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

GIANTS BLOG LINKED TO MASSIVE GROW OPERATION!

Your 2010 World Champtions - San Francisco LOLGiants

by DividedByZero on Dec 8, 2010 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Setting fire to marijuana fields

I’m going to imagine that that would have given the whole county a contact high.

"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"

by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 8:28 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah, there's still a pretty huge difference between the coast and inland areas...

http://vote.sos.ca.gov/maps/governor/

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by jcb9 on Dec 8, 2010 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Luke Scott makes Jeff Kent seem like a liberal.

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by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 6:45 PM PST up reply actions  

AIRSOFT!

someone with more free time than sense.

Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.

Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.

by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 4:30 PM PST up reply actions  

chris rocked

Placeholder.

by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 4:30 PM PST up reply actions  

good thing I only use Tungsten.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 4:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I love the postscript.

Thing A

"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud

by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I love these.

They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.

by esseffgeez on Dec 8, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Has

Szymborski done the Giants projections yet?

San Francisco Giants: 2010 World Series Champions
Buster Posey: 100% ballplayer, 0% bullshit

by free f.p. #14 on Dec 8, 2010 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I think he’s doing them in reverse order of 2010 payroll this year. He just did the Orioles who had a payroll of $81.6M last year. Giants were at $99.7M.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on Dec 8, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

wait actually

The Orioles payroll might not have been that high

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on Dec 8, 2010 1:14 PM PST up reply actions  

BUT LUKE SCOTT SURE IS AM I RIGHT!!!!

Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!

by jcb9 on Dec 8, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Not yet. Next up are the Rockies, FWIW.

They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.

by esseffgeez on Dec 8, 2010 1:33 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s freaking awesome.

I feel prickishly demanding!

I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.

by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 8, 2010 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

The Exciting Ending to the AmyG Weight Loss Saga
@AmyGGiants: OMG!! I was hacked & unfortunately did NOT lose 8 lbs. Learned I needed a better password an probably should lose 8lbs. So sorry Tweeps!

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on Dec 8, 2010 12:24 PM PST reply actions  

Wonder what her password was

Belted!

by AndYourBirdCanSing on Dec 8, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

1-2-3-4-5

Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly

by say hey nation on Dec 8, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

This made me laugh out loud at work.

I don’t know if I’m more mad me or you.

Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!

by breadfan7 on Dec 8, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Password

by GrayDilla on Dec 8, 2010 12:56 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

"amyg"

Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.

I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog

THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES

by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Password: Shouldlose8lbs

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

FATTY!

Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly

by say hey nation on Dec 8, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Awww… she doesn’t need to lose 8 pounds.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

This is exactly what I thought in the first place.

May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum

by natteringnabob on Dec 8, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

SHE SHOULD LOSE 50 IF SHE WANTS TO LOOK PRETTY FOR PROM

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Well...

They can’t legally ask her to lose weight…just TIGHTEN UP a little.

by JSing on Dec 8, 2010 9:17 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Congrats

I am a couple months ahead of your schedule. I think I got bored when they were near .500 and in third place.

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

congrats!

Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...

by Smoke on the Water on Dec 8, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I read that as

Holy Shit I’m going to be a father….

doing the meth….

Congrats

Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly

by say hey nation on Dec 8, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

congrats. Also, I think you’re now required to name the child Buster.

Thing A

"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud

by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice!

Buster if a boy, Posey is a girl.

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Congratulations!

The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!

by TheLetter2 on Dec 8, 2010 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Renteria Lincecum for a boy
Erinteria Posey for a girl
.
.
/shows self out

by Every6thDay on Dec 8, 2010 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

My daughter’s first name = Lindsey
My daughter’s middle initial = C.

Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!

by jcb9 on Dec 8, 2010 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Lindsey Come Fuck-Yeah

Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!

by jhiat00 on Dec 8, 2010 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Cause that name won't cause problems in high school.

Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.

I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog

THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES

by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah, she'll never get teased for that

/rolls eyes

Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!

by breadfan7 on Dec 8, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

/rolls them back.

Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.

I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog

THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES

by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

How about

“Maquina” for a girl name?

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Shazaaam!

Also known to haunt as theghostoftravisdenker and theaccidentalghostofsergioromo.
Adopted parent of good old Wendell, he tries so hard. You'll get a hit someday son!

by theghostofjasonellison on Dec 8, 2010 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s what you say when you orgasm too?

I feel prickishly demanding!

I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.

by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 8, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Congrats

You got 8 months until you turn into your father. Hope he was nice.

I can't fight this feeling anymore!

by ResDog on Dec 8, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

And there's a huge mess at home plate!

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Joe Buck’s call of that play was awful.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Admittedly, though, not as bad as McCarver’s commentary.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

The great thing about this comment is that it can apply equally to every call Joe Buck has ever made.

Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!

by jcb9 on Dec 8, 2010 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

which leads me to wonder

Have any of you ever met anyone who professed to LIKE Joe Buck as an announcer? I don’t think I have.

Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!

by jcb9 on Dec 8, 2010 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I like Joe Buck as an announcer

I think that, now that Miller is gone, he’s my favorite national announcer. I think he did a good job during the series, plugs for football which the network forced him to do notwithstanding.

My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.

by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I will admit that I like him a lot more after the World Series. Nothing like effusive praise of San Francisco on a national broadcast to make me start thinking good thoughts about a person.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, he wasn’t too bad during the World Series. Especially after having to suffer though the TBS commentators who had apparently never seen a Hispanic surname before.

Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry

by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 8, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

The most I’ve ever heard anybody say about Buck is, “I don’t hate him.”

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I think people would like him a lot more if he was paired with a competent color guy

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure I would still hate him and find him completely intolerable.

Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!

by jcb9 on Dec 8, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

There was actually a subthread here of a bunch of people saying they thought Joe Buck was underrated and that they liked him as a commentator, and that McCarver was solely responsible for the collective crappyness. I.. don’t really agree.

by kingofthacove on Dec 8, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Those people are what we call “crazy.”

Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!

by jcb9 on Dec 8, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

and

if paired with a competent color guy….they’re still crazy?

Charlie Hayes ate my homework

by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 8, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Overall he's terrible

However in a lot of the compilation videos, where they use the Fox audio, his calls of “big moments” aren’t terrible.

That said. I can’t stand the guy over the course of a whole game.

by DFARowand on Dec 8, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Luke Scott would likely be a little uncomfortable and show his gun off.

I feel prickishly demanding!

I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.

by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 8, 2010 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

He took. It out.

Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!

by jhiat00 on Dec 8, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Unfortunately, yes. The judicial assistant in my judge’s chambers. She’s actually awesome, but I cannot understand her affection for Buck. We’ve agreed to disagree on the matter.

I feel prickishly demanding!

I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.

by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 8, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

But Goofus likes the foul pole . . . and the fair line.

He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.

by gallo del cielo on Dec 8, 2010 10:35 PM PST up reply actions  

he lost me for good during the 2004 ALCS. Was it him or McCarver that was comparing a walk to a home run?

by Bret1110 on Dec 9, 2010 5:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Joe Buck: “That’s a base hit up the middle and, yes, bret1110 appears to be having sex with his wife, brought to you by Taco Bell. This is a blow to Rangers and Cowboys fans everywhere.”

Joe McCarver: “That’s a great play, Joe, but I think the umpires clearly got the call wrong. You can see in the replay that the ball was not in fair territory.”

Placeholder.

by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

“In my opinion, if Bret’s girl gets pregnant it will most likely be from having sex.”

Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!

by jhiat00 on Dec 8, 2010 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

If it’s a boy, you should name him “Game 5”. If it’s a girl, you should name her “Aubrey”.

"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10

by Kitspool on Dec 8, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Go with ‘Pat’ so either way it’s good.

2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller

by Johnny Disaster on Dec 8, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

if memory serves me right… it’d have to be “Game 2” or “Game 3”…

since we’re here… Is “Numberfiftyfive” a legit name?

by Bret1110 on Dec 9, 2010 5:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Look at the big bat on Bret!

Better average in the WS then PTB!

Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!

by jhiat00 on Dec 8, 2010 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Congrats!

Have fun with the naming suggestions…

"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."

by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

And if you really want to frustrate people tell them you don’t know the sex and it’s going to be a surprise.

Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly

by say hey nation on Dec 8, 2010 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

My wife and I did that. It was fun.

Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!

by jhiat00 on Dec 8, 2010 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

My wife and I will be doing that when the time comes.

Due to some genetic complications she’s going to have injections daily, and if she’s ever pregnant we’ll have to induce labor, so the birthdate won’t be much of a surprise.

Surprises (big and small) are a fun dynamic in our relationship so we agreed that since we’ll know WHEN little breadfan7 is getting here, we’d like to be pleasantly surprised by the gender.

It’s absolutely amazing how people think they can express their disappointment with this decision before we’ve even conceived. Having kids is a weird communal thing in our society…

Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!

by breadfan7 on Dec 8, 2010 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh I think I'm as ready for that as much as I'll ever be (kinda like getting married..!)

But I think it’s weird that people think I owe it to them somehow to let them know the gender of my child before it’s born, all under the guise of buying a good present or planning an appropriate shower.

I’m calling bullshit.

On the grand timeline of humanity, the ability to determine the gender of a fetus with the accuracy we have is pretty new, and it’s far from an obligation to anyone except perhaps my wife.

Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!

by breadfan7 on Dec 8, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, specifically you are right, of course. I took your comment generally. It matters to society, because someone is going to have to clean up the vomit on the T when Mister Toddler gets motion sick and barfs all over me as I pick him up one summer’s day.

by wcw on Dec 8, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Ah yes.

Sorry for my tunnel vision interpretation. Yes, in the broader sense of course I agree with you. (especially in my role as a teacher!)

Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!

by breadfan7 on Dec 8, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

For the first one gender surprise is great.

After that it’s kind of useful to know ahead of time.

by Leftyretro on Dec 8, 2010 4:30 PM PST up reply actions  

We figured as much.

It’s the family members who think we can’t make that call on our own that befuddle me.

Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!

by breadfan7 on Dec 8, 2010 6:08 PM PST up reply actions  

It always fascinates me how much people feel they can question other people’s decisions regarding their children. In cases of abuse/neglect, I get this. But really, questioning your decision not to know gender? That seems weird. Children are an interesting communal situation, where people feel ownership of them. Hence everyone wanting to touch other people’s kids. When I have kids, I’m going to have a strangers keep their hands off policy.

I feel prickishly demanding!

I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.

by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 8, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I just read a book which argued that in pre-technical nomadic societies children tended to be viewed as a communal problem/responsibility/joyful burden and direct parent/child kinship tended to be either unknowable or considered unimportant. Having a ‘hands off’ policy would be considered anywhere from odd to downright sick.

2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller

by Johnny Disaster on Dec 8, 2010 6:50 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s interesting. Of course, since we no longer live in that type of situation (for the most part), “Hands off my baby!”

I feel prickishly demanding!

I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.

by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 8, 2010 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, not meant as parenting advice…

2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller

by Johnny Disaster on Dec 8, 2010 7:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I think that a “hands on” policy would net you a quick visit from CPS.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I know it wasn’t. It’s an interesting idea that might play into why people are always all over people’s babies.

I feel prickishly demanding!

I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.

by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 8, 2010 8:40 PM PST up reply actions  

WHOOOOO!

CONGRATS

Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.

I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog

THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES

by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Yay!

Congratulations.

My brother and his wife just had their first, re-upping me as Uncle. It’s pretty exciting from afar, so I imagine it’s pretty awesome for you.

I feel prickishly demanding!

I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.

by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 8, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

no wominz on the internet?

And the worst part, those fukin’ douchenozzles over at the MCC get to lord this over us.

by nogooddeed on Dec 8, 2010 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

So there’s no sex on the internet?

I feel prickishly demanding!

I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.

by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 8, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I bet you aren’t the only one. I bet a lot of kids will be born in 8 months than usual.

Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 6:46 PM PST up reply actions  

hehe you had sex.

"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller

t's Posey time!!

Screw you Flannery.

by sanfrankid on Dec 8, 2010 9:55 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s also what he said to wife during the World Series.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 10:06 PM PST up reply actions  

The news itself is old, but never get tired of the bold phrases:

From ESPN:

Team athletic trainer Dave Groeschner said Sanchez had the surgery in Scottsdale, Ariz. The World Series champion Giants made the announcement at the winter meetings in Lake Buena Vista, Fla.

Sanchez is expected to be in San Francisco’s starting lineup come opening day 2011.

The shoulder bothered Sanchez late in the regular season and during the playoffs, when the Giants made an improbable run to the franchise’s first title since moving West in 1958 from New York — beating the Texas Rangers in five games in the World Series.

I can get used to this. In all articles Giants.

"It'll break your heart. It's designed to break your heart."
- A. Bartlett Giamatti

by drdata24 on Dec 8, 2010 12:46 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

Indeed.

someone with more free time than sense.

Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.

Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.

by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 4:48 PM PST up reply actions  

If Dioner Navarro was your Winter Meetings White Whale, then sorry
In a development that probably eliminates any chance two-time All-Star and former Gold Glove catcher Russell Martin will remain with the Los Angeles Dodgers, the club is close to a one-year agreement with the catcher Martin replaced more than four years ago, free agent Dioner Navarro, according to a source with knowledge of the situation who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

I like the source’s conditions: “I’m only going to speak to you about Dioner Navarro if you don’t reveal my true identity.”

"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10

by Kitspool on Dec 8, 2010 1:02 PM PST reply actions  

I’m holding out for Jaime Navarro, personally.

Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!

by jcb9 on Dec 8, 2010 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I’d be cool with Dave Navarro.

Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.

by rotorueter on Dec 8, 2010 4:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Juan Carlo Navarro

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

This shouldn’t surprise you by now. I’m not going to reveal my source, but I hear the Giants offered Carl Crawford 10 years and $180M.

"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat

by deuce deuce on Dec 8, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Didn't he pull a Guillen?

and leave the Rays when they were still in the playoffs? Only it was worse because I think Guillen was pretty much asked to leave, but Navarro was just a punk about being put in a backup role.

Enjoy Dodgers. Sounds like another great clubhouse guy there. Juan is going to beg to be traded back to SF by the midway point and offer to pay $1 million to make it happen. SIJU

Roy Halladay just woke up in a cold sweat. He had a dream about this rodeo clown with a stick...

by The Czar on Dec 8, 2010 11:11 PM PST up reply actions  

WHOA
JohnSheaHey
  
MLB, ESPN trying to move #SFGiants opener from LA to SF for greater impact. From Friday (4/1) to Thurs (3/31), SF Chron learned.

They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.

by esseffgeez on Dec 8, 2010 1:07 PM PST reply actions  

o m g!

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on Dec 8, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s some crazy shit.

"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat

by deuce deuce on Dec 8, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Unf unf unf

And Uribe (/shakes fist) could get his ring.

My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.

by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

The decision, if approved by the players’ union, would be announced soon. If approved, the baseball world would watch the Giants unveil their championship banner before more than 40,000 fans celebrating the team’s first World Series title since 1954.

The newly scheduled game would be played at China Basin on Thursday (March 31) at 5 p.m. – as ESPN’s showcase game as part of a three-game package – instead of Friday (April 1) at 1:10 p.m. at Dodger Stadium.

After the opener, the teams would fly to L.A. to play their regularly scheduled three-game weekend series.

With the added home game, the Giants would lose their April 11 home date against the Dodgers.

They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.

by esseffgeez on Dec 8, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Weird

We’d play one game in SF, then fly and play 3 @ dodgers.

My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.

by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m actually kinda confused by John Shea’s article. The current schedule has us playing the Dodgers from Friday to Monday.

What happens to the Monday game?

They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.

by esseffgeez on Dec 8, 2010 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Sum-Beeches!! Let's play 162 games against the Dodgers next year!!!!!

"I always knew I was going to be thrown at. I was old-school, so I didn't care, as long as they hit me from the neck down.'' Hac-Man One Flap down Jeffrey Leonard

by Penitentiary Face on Dec 8, 2010 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

Has there ever been a made-for-TV scheduling move like this?

They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.

by esseffgeez on Dec 8, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I meant Opening Day for the defending World Series champions.

They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.

by esseffgeez on Dec 8, 2010 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Which would be the Giants.

They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.

by esseffgeez on Dec 8, 2010 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Just in case you forgot that the Giants won the 2010 World Series.

They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.

by esseffgeez on Dec 8, 2010 1:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Beating the Yankees in 4 games.

He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.

by gallo del cielo on Dec 8, 2010 10:45 PM PST up reply actions  

You are not the boss of what I link to

They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.

by esseffgeez on Dec 8, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I dislike that this is apparently a players' union thing

Why does the entire damn league get a say on whether or not the Dodgers have to fly up north two weeks early and then back down for the home opener?

by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 8, 2010 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Because the Giants won the World Series.

Thing A

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by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

What has that got to do with what the Padres think of the move? Or the Rays' players?

Or the minor league teams in KC and Pittsburgh?

Shouldn’t that really be up to the Giants and Dodgers’ rosters/management?

by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 8, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Because the Giants won the World Series.

Thing A

"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud

by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

And yet there it is: The Giants Won The World Series

2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 8, 2010 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Because there are rules in the binding collective bargaining agreement about travel and such.

2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 8, 2010 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Of course.

And I get why the Giants and Dodger players would have to approve that, for CBA reasons. I just don’t get why the other 700 players would have any say in travel that doesn’t affect them.

by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 8, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I’d just like to point out that you’re wrong because the Giants won the World Series.

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

1) Because its an union representing all of the players

2) It’s basically so MLB/teams can’t dictate terms at will

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

a union.

Placeholder.

by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Unless you meant an onion, which would be kind of awesome.

Placeholder.

by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Even though we ain’t got hats or badges
We’re a union just by sayin’ so
And the world will know!

someone with more free time than sense.

Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.

Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.

by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Geez…stay in your jurisdiction!

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

It will be an honor!

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

he pronounces it oo-nee-un

WWRWD?

by SF Pete on Dec 8, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

and because the Giants won the World Series.

Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 6:51 PM PST up reply actions  

This really needs to be shouted from the rooftops...
Fuck ESPN—we open at home during the day.

Charlie Hayes ate my homework

by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 8, 2010 4:44 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

well... luckily for me, i wont have to deal with that no more

His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?

by PiKAgiant on Dec 8, 2010 6:12 PM PST up reply actions  

at least.... for the time being

His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?

by PiKAgiant on Dec 8, 2010 6:12 PM PST up reply actions  

But if ESPN chose Yankees vs. Red Sox. Everyone would be saying “Why this game? Why not the champs?”

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by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 9:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I am planning on going to San Francisco for the home opener. Glad I haven’t bought any airline tickets yet.

Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!

by jhiat00 on Dec 8, 2010 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

HAHA!

I like it.

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THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES

by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAY!!!!!

The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.

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by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Whatever they decide to do they need to hurry the hell up and make up their minds. Seems silly to me. That’s what the players need: more travel. If it the date does change I suppose tickets will be even more impossible to get. The theme for today is everything sucks.

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by Merope on Dec 8, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I just remembered that a friend bought 4/11 tickets on StubHub. Poor guy, does he get a refund?

They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.

by esseffgeez on Dec 8, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I would think so…if the game isn’t played.

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by Merope on Dec 8, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I think the most important thing to remember is that THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES.

2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller

by Johnny Disaster on Dec 8, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

In principle I don’t like the power being wielded by ESPN.

Besides, the Dodgers always win at AT&T in April.

someone with more free time than sense.

Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.

Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.

by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 4:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Do it!

Your 2010 World Series Champion San Francisco Giants
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper

by Soulbrother16 on Dec 8, 2010 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

gisojs;dijsdifj;sd yes yes yes

"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"

by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 8:32 PM PST up reply actions  

rightfuckingon, person

He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.

by gallo del cielo on Dec 8, 2010 10:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Jose Castillo!

Batting second!

LOL!

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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by jponry on Dec 8, 2010 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Also note the murderers’ row of Winn / Molina / Rowand

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Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!

by jcb9 on Dec 8, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I like how the sun is setting on that roster

by posey yaknowsy on Dec 8, 2010 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I like how none of those every day players are every day players on the 2010 roster.

by djfivenine on Dec 8, 2010 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't want to face that lineup.

Although I’m sure a major league pitcher probably wouldn’t have much of a problem.

Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!

by jhiat00 on Dec 8, 2010 1:24 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

You’d give up several runs, I’m sure.

He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.

by gallo del cielo on Dec 8, 2010 10:49 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s back from when Winn and Rowand were competent though.

GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool

by groug on Dec 8, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Not as a team’s primary offensive threats, though.

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by jcb9 on Dec 8, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Eh

Didn’t Winn have, like, a .790 OPS in 08? And a well above average OBP iirc.

I get what you mean about them being the primary threat, but I feel like a lot of people’s perceptions of Winn were completely formed in 2009. He was an above average hitter as a Giant, which, when combined with his awesome defense, made him a pretty good player.

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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.

by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah

He was slightly above average, OPS+ wise.

But it’s a bad sign when you have Randy Winn as your #3 hitter.

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Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!

by jcb9 on Dec 8, 2010 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s a whole lot of awful.

by Every6thDay on Dec 8, 2010 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

/headwall

"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."

by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

The only thing I like about that pic

Is Bowker’s name looks like Bonker…

That would be a cool last name…

by Sgt. Dingleberry on Dec 8, 2010 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL FRED

They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.

by esseffgeez on Dec 8, 2010 1:29 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL Rowand the batting leader

They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.

by esseffgeez on Dec 8, 2010 1:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure...

that was a weekday game where I got row G field club seats for $35 a seat…

by djfivenine on Dec 8, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

ouch

4 more runs would score that inning
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My adopted Giant got shipped off to Pittsburgh, and it was worth it.

by rightcenterfielder on Dec 8, 2010 1:33 PM PST up reply actions  

In a way I guess that is why they are 2010's org of the year.

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 2:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Mark Reynolds was batting as high as .244 at one point?

THE THING IS, IT HAPPENED - 11/1/10

by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Dec 8, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

His career batting average is .242, so it’s probably a pretty good bit that yes, he was.

Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!

by jcb9 on Dec 8, 2010 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Its OK

They have Joe Saunders now!

Overplayed memes:
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by say hey nation on Dec 8, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

In hindsight.....Dirty should have been hitting 5th.

"I always knew I was going to be thrown at. I was old-school, so I didn't care, as long as they hit me from the neck down.'' Hac-Man One Flap down Jeffrey Leonard

by Penitentiary Face on Dec 8, 2010 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Dude hits triples

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I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog

THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES

by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 4:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Everytime I see that highlight…I think " is that Sanchez?

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 4:48 PM PST up reply actions  

not to mention he started the game tying rally in Game 6, NLCS, where it stayed until Fucking Dodger hit the solo jack to win it

The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.

Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.

by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 5:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I recognize everyone on the Dbacks lineup except for Burke.

Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 6:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Burke was a joke of an acquisition from the Astros the year before. Never hit above .200 with the D'Backs but for some fucking reason, Melvin played his ass until he lost his job as Manager.

"I always knew I was going to be thrown at. I was old-school, so I didn't care, as long as they hit me from the neck down.'' Hac-Man One Flap down Jeffrey Leonard

by Penitentiary Face on Dec 18, 2010 10:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Bowker!

"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller

t's Posey time!!

Screw you Flannery.

by sanfrankid on Dec 8, 2010 9:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Boring off-season is boring.

#Red Sox competing with #SF Giants for Andrew Miller

"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."

by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 1:31 PM PST reply actions  

I quite like the idea of picking Miller up

Though only if he’s amenable to spending some time in the minors.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on Dec 8, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

This.

He could be a good project. I’m less enthusiastic that we apparently have to compete for him.

"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."

by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 1:33 PM PST up reply actions  

But four picks better than Lincecum!!!

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by jcb9 on Dec 8, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

didn’t the Red Sox just non-tender him?

"There was no torture in the end. Only rapture." - Mike Krukow
2010 Giants: World Series Champs

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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 8, 2010 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes.

They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.

by esseffgeez on Dec 8, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Want to get him cheaper this way I assume.

SWOOP SABES!!!

I feel prickishly demanding!

I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.

by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 8, 2010 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

/falls asleep

He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.

by gallo del cielo on Dec 8, 2010 10:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmmm....

Cioppino vs New England Clam Chowder….

That’s a really tough decision…

by Sgt. Dingleberry on Dec 8, 2010 1:49 PM PST up reply actions  

i worked in quite a few restaurants on Fishermans Wharf in Monterey while in college… and highly recommend Cioppino. New England clam chowder isn’t nearly as good as the regular chowder either

The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.

Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.

by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I know!

Very disappointing.

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

nobody wants an almost spicy clam chowder. newenglanders are idiots. the Patriots, and the chowder? just killin the rest of us

The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.

Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.

by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I think that’s because so often it’s actually white sauce/gravy with lumps of potatoes and little bits of eraser floating in it.

May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum

by natteringnabob on Dec 8, 2010 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

New England says “NO ERASER FOR YOU” “We’re keeping the erasers and paint chips for our own chowder from now on.”

/chowder Nazi’d

The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.

Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.

by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I mean every other place in the world. Which leads to another of life’s great rules, “don’t order seafood dishes when you’re more than a couple hours from the sea”.

May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum

by natteringnabob on Dec 8, 2010 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

what?

that’s the best place to order seafood, close to the ocean. It’s super fresh, and always caught that morning

The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.

Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.

by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

lol.

he agrees with you

"I ain't havin it!"

by GloomyGoose on Dec 8, 2010 6:11 PM PST up reply actions  

reading comprehension fail.

chasm’d

The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.

Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.

by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 7:06 PM PST up reply actions  

omg

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on Dec 8, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

So much win

They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.

by esseffgeez on Dec 8, 2010 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Haha! Awesome.

The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!

by TheLetter2 on Dec 8, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL, I just noticed the alligator.

They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.

by esseffgeez on Dec 8, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Wild ZITO appeared!

My adopted Giant got shipped off to Pittsburgh, and it was worth it.

by rightcenterfielder on Dec 8, 2010 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Gigantic, wild Zito.

2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller

by Johnny Disaster on Dec 8, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

So who's excited about Andrew Miller?

I hope Tidrow can fix him if we get him, but we desperately need someone who could be a 6th starter now that we’re sans JMart and Pussytas.

My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.

by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 1:55 PM PST reply actions  

I had high hopes for him on my fantasy teams.

by Natto on Dec 8, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m definitely hoping we get him for cheap and send him off to the minors for fixing.

"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."

by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m a little confused why we should think he could be a 6th starter. I know he was once a highly touted prospect, but he seems like he’s got a lot of work to do before he could contribute in the majors.

Thing A

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by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Sounds like it would be a pretty low risk signing for a guy that has a fair amount of talent, so yeah, I’m in favor of it.

Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...

by Smoke on the Water on Dec 8, 2010 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought he was going to be awesome (obviously, a lot of people did)

I would love to sign him to a minor league contract.

Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.

by marcello on Dec 8, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

me too. really wanted him in the lincecum draft.

WWRWD?

by SF Pete on Dec 8, 2010 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Grant will have to keep Waiting

Boof signs with the Mets.

My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.

by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 1:57 PM PST reply actions  

I think we shouldn’t sign him for the sole purpose of avoiding being reminded of the trade every time he pitches.

by kingofthacove on Dec 8, 2010 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

If we saw him pitch regularly, wouldn’t that just remind us more?

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by jcb9 on Dec 8, 2010 2:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you two are arguing the same thing.

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by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

oh, right

I misread shouldn’t as should.

Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!

by jcb9 on Dec 8, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

The Rays will definitely trade Jason Bartlett, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post, who suggests a deal could go down tonight (Twitter links). The Orioles aren’t involved, so it’s down to the Padres and Pirates.

I can see the Padres landing him. They’ve got the relievers to pull off the trade. Though…

It appears that Bartlett wants to sign an extension if traded, according to Sherman.

They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.

by esseffgeez on Dec 8, 2010 2:05 PM PST reply actions  

guess that means the Pads are out, lol

The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.

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by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Well

Now that he is a Padre he may have changed his mind on that extension.

I can only be nice to one person a day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look good either.

by GiantMalcontent on Dec 8, 2010 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
George Sherrill’s deal for 1 year with Braves— $1.2 million plus $200,000 incentives, pending physical.

If we see them again in the playoffs I would rather face him then one of the slider throwing monstrosities we saw this year.

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THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES

by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 2:12 PM PST reply actions  

The Braves could pull a better young lefty from their magic reliever swamp

"I dont always hit home runs, but when I do, I prefer World Series winning home runs"

by CB30 on Dec 8, 2010 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Best part of this…Pat Burrell signed with the Giants for less money

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I would be more afraid if Leo Mazzone was still there.

Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 6:55 PM PST up reply actions  

/rocks

"I dont always hit home runs, but when I do, I prefer World Series winning home runs"

by CB30 on Dec 8, 2010 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Anybody know the story with Dontrelle Willis last summer?

I know he’s gone now, and apparently he never got his shit together with Fresno, but I never really read anything about his time there. It looks like he only pitched 5 innings… I like the guy, and was pulling for him. In my fantasy, the coaching staff sprinkled magical control dust on him & he cut his BB/9 to something acceptable. Either that or he tried out cognitive behavioral therapy.

by Your mother on Dec 8, 2010 2:26 PM PST reply actions  

the dude is done.

He has gone to how many organizations, each one with the hope of fixing his command?

Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.

I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog

THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES

by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Signed a minor league deal with the Cards I think

Or the Reds. All those NL Central teams look alike to me.

by nKoan on Dec 8, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Oops, that's the offseason

He basically didn’t do anything with Fresno. Hurt his finger, barely pitched anything, and when he did it was not good.

I hope he can finally turn it around with the Reds.

by nKoan on Dec 8, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Dodgers named Topps Organization of the Year

Eh, this award is so last year.

They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.

by esseffgeez on Dec 8, 2010 2:28 PM PST reply actions  

I meant to put that in quotes but on further review, it looks good the way it is.

They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.

by esseffgeez on Dec 8, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Rowand

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/sports/phillies/120810-is-aaron-rowand-replacing-jayson-werth

I know this is pure speculation. But I’ll take anything. There’s hope, right? Rowand to Philly for…anything!

"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."

by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 2:29 PM PST reply actions  

For nothing would be fine with me, too.

Also, wasn’t Domonic Brown supposed to be a good prospect who was going to replace Werth? What happened to that?

Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!

by jcb9 on Dec 8, 2010 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Can't hit lefties I thought was the problem? Or was it righties?

Or both?

Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.

I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog

THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES

by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

He wouldn’t have to be able to hit that well to be better than Rowand!

Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!

by jcb9 on Dec 8, 2010 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

He struggled in winter ball, IIRC.

They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.

by esseffgeez on Dec 8, 2010 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

that article says its Ibanez who would sit vs. lefties, but I’d heard Brown struggles against them too

Thing A

"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud

by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

For nothing would be fine with me, too.

Well, I’d except at least a cookie or something in return…

"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."

by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

…expect…not except…oops!

"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."

by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

been over this before

giving up Rowand for nothing would be really really dumb.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

You're not getting nothing.

You’re getting 20 million bucks.

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

well then you're not trading him for nothing

you’re trading him for salary relief.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

also

cheesesteak

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

no way Philly pays that much of his salary.

Thing A

"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud

by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

The roster spot and a few million in salary relief is good enough for me…

"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."

by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I’d like to go on the record as being unreservedly against trading Rowand for Cooky.

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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 8, 2010 3:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I’d do it. I think people underestimate Cooky’s potential.

They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.

by esseffgeez on Dec 8, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

He is, the Phillies ease people into starting roles, kind of stupid, but its what they do.

Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly

by say hey nation on Dec 8, 2010 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

ESPN loved him, but he kind of sucked last year.

"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"

by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 8:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Signed photo of the Phanatic?

Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.

I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog

THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES

by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

what if the Phanatic and the Rockies Barney love child mascot got together?

We would have the ugliest creature on the planet.

The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.

Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.

by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

He also can play two outfield positions

He can?!

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

He played all 3 spots with the White Sox, but only CF since.

Thing A

"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud

by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

WOULDA BEEN NICE IF HE TOLD BOCH THAT

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

And it looks like he played fewer games in right or left each year he was in Chicago. By his last year there, not a game in either. Maybe he really is just bad at playing the corners…

2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 8, 2010 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Rowand and Zito for Dom Brown

…I dont see anything wrong with this…

by djfivenine on Dec 8, 2010 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

23.3 Million a year base.
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
cliff lee now knows where yanks stand: 6 yrs, $140-150 mil. questions: are #rangers close? are 2 7-year bidders alive?

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I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog

THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES

by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 2:35 PM PST reply actions  

Lee, Sabathia, Hughes, Pettitte (presumably), Burnett = the $70m rotation

They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.

by esseffgeez on Dec 8, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

They mustve won the world series right?

by GrayDilla on Dec 8, 2010 4:59 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

how much is it going for?

it wasn’t a huge upgrade from BM10 and it will be dirt cheap once BM12 comes out.

Have you ever played before?

First ever adoptee: Steven Michael Decker, our 2012 San Francisco Giants Manager/starting catcher.

Dodgers fans eat their young.

by redhornet78 on Dec 8, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Wait,

It’s April 15th but they have played 56 games already?

Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.

I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog

THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES

by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Given that it also says the Dodgers are eight games up, presumably this is a look back at an earlier game.

"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"

by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 8:42 PM PST up reply actions  

11 is $25 right now.

I’m playing the demo at the moment and like it, so I’m definitely gonna buy a full version. Just not sure which one.

by TGOH on Dec 8, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

/reads name
/discards all information

Your 2010 World Series Champion San Francisco Giants
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper

by Soulbrother16 on Dec 8, 2010 5:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Don’t buy it that way, buy it direct from ootp.com. There have been issues with patches, namely that the box vendor is sometimes slow in rolling them out and some other general nonsense.

May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum

by natteringnabob on Dec 8, 2010 5:52 PM PST up reply actions  

OT: So I just discovered The Cranberries

This is orgasmic! How did I miss out on them for so long…?

by WesHanson on Dec 8, 2010 2:57 PM PST reply actions  

Don’t you mean the Raspberries?

by wcw on Dec 8, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Good question.

She sure repeats enough of her own lyrics within any given song that I’m amazed there are people who DON’T know the Cranberries…

Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!

by breadfan7 on Dec 8, 2010 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

You raining on my parade, good sir?

by WesHanson on Dec 8, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Be careful, it may not be rain...

…and stay away from the yellow snow.

Nah. In all seriousness, they’re just the most overplayed band of my high school days. Her penchant for repeating the same lyric 4x and calling it a chorus drove me nuts, no matter how much I actually enjoyed the instrumentation (which I did, most of the time…)

Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!

by breadfan7 on Dec 8, 2010 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

You should hear the Teenage Fanclub tune ‘Kickabout’ — its chorus is the words, “hey, everybody, everybody.” That’s it. There is no verse. The bridge has no lyrics.

It is surprisingly catchy.

by wcw on Dec 8, 2010 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, when they were around, I was still drawing in the dirt with my toes, so I was able to avoid the overplaying of their music.

So far, the repetition of the lyrics don’t bother me; I like them mainly for the instrumentation and her singing style – not so much the lyrics themselves.

by WesHanson on Dec 8, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Delicious.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Fresh or canned? If canned, whole or jellied?

someone with more free time than sense.

Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.

Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.

by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 3:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh god never jellied.

Preferably fresh.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

My younger brother prefers cranberries jelly style, with the ridges from the can still evident in the jelly.

SF Giants dominance is one of the few things we unreservedly agree on.

Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!

by breadfan7 on Dec 8, 2010 6:12 PM PST up reply actions  

so much this

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions  

By the way

I always seem to miss out on your BSG expositions… I love that show. Good to see a new fan developing.

by WesHanson on Dec 8, 2010 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m almost done! My next disc is arriving tomorrow. I may not have the chance to watch it for a couple days, though.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice!

Where are you know? I can’t seem to remember the break between 4.0 and 4.5 clearly (I always thought that .0 / .5 stuff was a load of shit…).

by WesHanson on Dec 8, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Tyrol just beat the crap out of Hot Dog.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

For sure. I am a big fan of Tyrol myself. I always like Chief…

by WesHanson on Dec 8, 2010 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

The only time I didn’t like him was right after Tory backstabbed Cally and he turned into the troll under the bridge for a few episodes. Other than that sorry stretch, he’s one of my favorite characters on the show.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

In his defense, that did throw up a huge roadblock in terms of his marital status…

Favorite character? That’s tough. I have to go with Kara to be honest. I would totally want to marry her, though, so I think I might be biased. She is such a badass.

by WesHanson on Dec 8, 2010 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I think I’m in the extreme minority when I say Lee. I know, I know. The character himself isn’t necessarily the best, and was in fact responsible for two or three of the worst episodes in the series, but Jamie Bamber plays the fuck out of the role and I can dig it.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

You're objectively wrong.

I’m sure you meant the other Adama.

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I think I’m in the extreme minority…

I should have said “I know I’m in the extreme minority…”

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Behind Kara, I would totally go with Lee, then Baltar. Mainly for the reason you cite above—I think they both play the roles so well. I also like the quasi-tortured genius that Baltar plays.

by WesHanson on Dec 8, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I never watched every episode of the show, but I do like the show in general and enjoyed the episodes I did see; and I watched all of “4.5”. Ultimately I’d have to say Kara is my favorite character, in terms of herself as a character, her role in the series, and my reaction to her. But I must say I enjoy Baltar and Caprica Six.

someone with more free time than sense.

Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.

Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.

by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Caprica Six specifically or the entire Six line? Because I can kind of dig Caprica Six, but the model itself always felt kind of lame.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Caprica Six and Gina (from the Pegasus) are pretty awesome. The rest of the line just relies on the whole seductive thing. Boring, agreed.

by WesHanson on Dec 8, 2010 3:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Caprica Six, the one who came back in “Downloaded” and (checks where you are) ended up in Galactica’s brig, the one having the Hera dreams with Athena and the President.

someone with more free time than sense.

Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.

Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.

by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 3:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Ah yes. She’s cool.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions  

ARE YOU KIDDING?

SHE’S A FRIGGING SEX BOT

SO WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING!!!

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 3:55 PM PST up reply actions  

/links to her Playboy pictures
//afraid of getting banned…

by WesHanson on Dec 8, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

You should go back and watch every episode. I loved 4.5 (especially the last episode—I won’t give any spoilers away, don’t worry), but the mini-series and season 1 are some of the best cinematic journeys one can venture on. Pure bliss.

I do think the relationship between Baltar and Six is perfect. I always enjoyed it.

by WesHanson on Dec 8, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, I did see the miniseries. Very enjoyable, and I could see how fans of “hard” SF might have adopted it early on.

someone with more free time than sense.

Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.

Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.

by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I have always been a huge SF fan my entire life, but I think one of the appeals of the show is that it goes beyond SciFi. Everybody can like the show.

by WesHanson on Dec 8, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions  

/cue story about how GrooveGiant randomly met the actor that plays Baltar while inspecting his boss’s condo for water damage

"I wouldn't say the beard got us here, but I wore it here." - Brian Wilson

by GrooveGiant on Dec 8, 2010 5:30 PM PST up reply actions  

“Are you ready to fuck Gaius Baltar?”

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, also, I get excited to watch any episode that has D’Ana.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I liked her early on, but she sort of lost my interest after awhile…

by WesHanson on Dec 8, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Could never really get past Xena with that actress.

someone with more free time than sense.

Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.

Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.

by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn’t even realize that it was her for like a season and a half.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

The hair?

someone with more free time than sense.

Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.

Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.

by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I think also the accent and the lack of the sidekick who I had a crush on when I was 10.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 4:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Whoa… there were two musical episodes of Xena?

/inb4josswhedon.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 4:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I read that too quickly as “sidekick she had a crush on”

Which I think is not so out of the question as an assumption.

someone with more free time than sense.

Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.

Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.

by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

The possibility may have contributed to my feelings at the time.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Your urinary tract will thank you.

2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller

by Johnny Disaster on Dec 8, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Perfect, because I just discovered Activia yogurt. Got number 1 and 2 down now.

by WesHanson on Dec 8, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Let me know when they’ve got something for #3.

Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.

by rotorueter on Dec 8, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

The group who sang the "Linger" song?

I’ll die a happy man if I never hear that again.

Your 2010 World Series Champion San Francisco Giants
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper

by Soulbrother16 on Dec 8, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Me too

My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard

by NuschlerFace on Dec 8, 2010 7:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Dodgers also win Org of the Year...

Tiptoe into the eveel lair here

Scoff Chortle Guffaw!…Cuz it couldn’t be a more absurd foil to BA’s own analysis. Pangs of Jeter Gold Glovism are rife in this one.

by sanfranfreakshow on Dec 8, 2010 3:13 PM PST reply actions  

Wow...it's over
Padres Acquire Jason Bartlett
By Ben Nicholson-Smith [December 8 at 5:26pm CST]

The Padres have acquired Jason Bartlett from the Rays, according to MLB.com’s Corey Brock (on Twitter).

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 3:29 PM PST reply actions  

But ties!

someone with more free time than sense.

Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.

Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.

by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, wait.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

u wer ryt 1st tym

someone with more free time than sense.

Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.

Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.

by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

im actually kinda glad we didnt get him.

The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.

Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.

by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Someone break the news to jponry

Bartlett is all she ever talked about.

My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.

by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

at first i was really hot on Bartlett, but after seeing his fielding and hitting declining for years on end, i kinda fell off the Bartlett bandwagon

The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.

Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.

by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Scutaro would have been my preferred trade target

But I prefer Tejada over trading prospects for anyone.

My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.

by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah Scutaro or Hardy, realistically

but my white whales were Lowrie or Drew.

alas, Tejada is a one-year deal, and like you said, we didnt lose any prospects. Though Ish and Nate are becoming expendable, so I would have traded them for Scutaro or Hardy

The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.

Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.

by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

If I thought we could get an SS for Scuts or Hardy

I wouldn’t have cared

But it probably would have been more, and I wouldn’t want to give up more.

My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.

by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 4:03 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on Dec 8, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

FINALLY YOULL SHUT UP ABOUT IT

Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.

by rotorueter on Dec 8, 2010 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

looks like the pads managed to retain ML bullpenners tho...

Russell and Ramos to the Rays, it’s said. Middling pitching depth is marginally helpful, but I expected the Rays to go for a trade for one solid reliever in exchange.

by sanfranfreakshow on Dec 8, 2010 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Classy tweet

reidbrignac
  
I want to thank Jason for all the help he has given me and everything he has taught me over the last few years and wish him the best of luck

They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.

by esseffgeez on Dec 8, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Baseball has only been gone for 40 days...

seems like it’s been months

The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.

Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.

by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 3:31 PM PST reply actions  

please god . . .

 . . . grant unto these people a baseball game . . .

He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.

by gallo del cielo on Dec 8, 2010 11:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Belted

Brandon Belt to be given chance in spring to win 1B or LF job (Huff would play other spot). If it’s not every day with SF, it’s Fresno.

by TBRMKane on Dec 8, 2010 3:34 PM PST reply actions  

I can see him winning a spot.

by WesHanson on Dec 8, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Everyone has been skeptical…and rightly so.

But I’m starting to see it as an actual possibility…

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by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

so that would resign Burrell to spelling Huff or Belt?

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by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I think that’s the role he was headed towards anyway…

by WesHanson on Dec 8, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Pat still has high OBP and if he is hitting like he did in the reg season last year, we’ve got a problem. Like Pat and Ross would have to split time depending on who is hitting at the time, since they are both streaky

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by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I am a big fan of Pat; don’t get me wrong. But the age and streakiness would be offset pretty well by having Belt up to play LF. Or Huff. Whatever.

by WesHanson on Dec 8, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

don’t get me wrong, though… this would be a good problem to have, as opposed to OH SHIT DEROSA IS OUR STARTING LF

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by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Ha! Without a doubt. I just don’t see that happening. I think Sabs and Boch want to play the hot hand that is the youth card. I could just be too optimistic because I vaguely remember something about the Giants winning the World Series or something, but I think this teams recognizes the power of go with the youth movement.

by WesHanson on Dec 8, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

This is dependent on Belt making the team out of camp

with Torres as CF, hot or cold, he’s gotta play cause of his D.

Then if Belt makes the team, he’s gotta play 1B. none of that “stick ’em in the OF” crap. So that makes it Huff, with Ross and Burrell playing the other spot (depending on whose hitting on a given day).

That makes Nate expendable, b/c Ross can always be the defensive replacement for Pat on days Pat starts, but without giving up the offense that we’d lose if Nate played.

And Rowand, I have no idea how the hell he would even get one start a week if Belt makes it out of camp. When Torres rests, Ross plays CF and Burrell/Huff play the OF corners.

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by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

TBH

I’d rather put Huff in RF and bench Cody if Belt comes up. I think Pat’s the better player than Cody.

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by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Nah, Cody is the better player, especially if you factor in defense. Ross had a down year in 2010, and only hit 14 HRs and hit .270 i think it was, but I expect him to bounce back.

Problem is, I would want them both in the lineup, since they both have alot of power, but if Belt forces the issue, it’s back to musical lineups

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by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Mmmmm, outfield defense

Crawford/Torres/Ross

The rumor is that Belt looks kind of awkward in the outfield, right? He appeared decent in the game I saw him play right. Wasn’t really challenged, though.

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by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

i dont want to see Belt in the OF. If he’s a defensive upgrade over Huff at 1B, and that’s where he’s more comfortable, that’s where he’s gotta play.

If you’r gonna throw Belt into the mix quickly, you have to at least play him at his most comfortable position, 1B

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by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't expect Cody to bounce back too much

After all, he had a bad offensive year despite having a BABIP 20 points higher than his career average. He could well regress.

Cody Ross, 2008-2010: 101 OPS+
Pat Burrell, 2008-2010: 109 OPS+

Cody’s defense might make up for it, but only if he rebounds significantly, which his BABIP makes him unlikely to do.

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by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 3:55 PM PST up reply actions  

But Ross’s offensive problems in 2010 weren’t BABIP related. He had an inexplicable power outage. The rest of his numbers weren’t far from his career averages.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Right

But let’s say the power rebounds AND the BABIP regresses…. those would probably counteract each other.

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by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions  

the key to both

he hit WAY more ground balls last year than he ever has before.

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by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

consequently

way fewer fly balls. His HR/FB rate was a little low, but not far off his norm, but his GB/FB ratio was higher than it’s ever been, and well above his career.

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by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

what do you think all this means for 2011? GB rates vary from year to year, right?

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by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I think

he’ll probably regress towards his career norms, it was a really extreme difference, esp. without a significant change in LD rate. His offensive value should rebound a little bit, with BABIP dropping some.

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by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

wouldnt it be improving to his career norms, not regressing, given that he underplayed his norms in 2010

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by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

"regressing"

just means having the percentages approach the norm

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by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

oh, so whether it is up or down towards career norms, its still called regressing? interesting

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by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

“Regress” at its most strict just means going back to where you were before, so a positive or a negative direction is not really implied.

It does strongly connote a negative path, though, so the confusion isn’t unfounded.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

 Doesn’t Burrell have reverse platoon splits? If so, that could work nicely.

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by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 4:15 PM PST up reply actions  

he did for HRs last year, not sure about AVG, OBP.

what, you thinkin Burrell/Ross platoon? Ross seems to play better when playing Fulltime, and we saw it in the playoffs. He did terrible when he played once a week with Guillen, but once given the starting job, he took off.

Honestly, I wouldn’t be opposed to starting the year with Pat in left, Ross in right, Huff at 1B, and Belt in AAA. And if he’s still tearing it up, bring him up at the start of May.

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by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Yea Burrell’s career numbers are quite a bit better vs lefties. I wouldn’t have been in favor of a strict R/L platoon for them anyway, but I think Ross’ poor-ish numbers vs righties and Aubrey and Pat’s age should create plenty of opportunities for Belt without having to really say any one of them is “benched.” Torres would factor in to this equation a little bit too, even though the wild kingdom outfield defense looks even worse with Ross in CF.

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by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it’s always appropriate to be a bit skeptical when someone tries to make that jump to the Majors, but doesn’t he have better hitting stats than Posey did before being called up (I could be so wrong on this, though)?

by WesHanson on Dec 8, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I think the skepticism is based more on Sabean/Bochy’s willingness to give him a shot over Burrell immediately than on Belt’s abilities. Or at least, that’s why I’m skeptical. And yes, I think he does have better stats, or at least I remember reading that somewhere.

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by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I remember reading the same thing somewhere.

I think that Boch and Sab’s views on this might be changing. After Posey and Bummy, I could see them actually giving Belt a shot. I also got the vibe that they aren’t super hot on Burrell being an everyday guy. I don’t really have a reason why, just intuition.

by WesHanson on Dec 8, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

$1M contract is a pretty good clue

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by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

That may have something to do with it…

by WesHanson on Dec 8, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

This will end well
JohnSheaHey John Shea

Agent Scott Boras said he’ll speak with #SFGiants, who are seeking LH bat. Boras said he’s got Ankiel. And Damon, of course.

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by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 3:44 PM PST reply actions  

Ankiel – he gets Splash Hits!

They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.

by esseffgeez on Dec 8, 2010 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

But can he pitch?

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by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Get Tidrow on that!

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by drdata24 on Dec 8, 2010 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Boras should speak with the San Jose flea market

And the worst part, those fukin’ douchenozzles over at the MCC get to lord this over us.

by nogooddeed on Dec 8, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

100 toy cars for 5 bucks!

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

No. SFGiants, step away from Scott Boras. Keep your hands where we can see them, and don’t try anything funny. Scott Boras, step away from the Giants. Your meeting with the Angels is now, and I hear they have a big hunk of cash.

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by leftyodoul on Dec 8, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Ughh, Ankiel is trash when he’s not hitting splash hits.

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by Soulbrother16 on Dec 8, 2010 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh man I can totally see Sabes signing Ankiel.

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by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 4:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Far, far away. As in lightyears.

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by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Boras: Hello Brian, this is Scott Boras
Sabean: :click:

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by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 7:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I honestly do not want the Giants to sign any more position players.

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by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 8:47 PM PST up reply actions  

We could use a dude who can play a legit shortstop.

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by rotorueter on Dec 8, 2010 8:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, but is signing a solid shortstop justifiable on top of what we already have?

by waelwulf on Dec 8, 2010 8:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, especially considering Freddy Sanchez’s fragility.

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by rotorueter on Dec 8, 2010 8:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Right, except that. I would not object to signing Rent. I would have killed myself for saying that three months ago.

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by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 8:53 PM PST up reply actions  

As shitty as he is, I think I’d rather have Orlando Cabrera. At least the guy stays on the field.

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by rotorueter on Dec 8, 2010 8:56 PM PST up reply actions  

meh

Rent would just be a backup, he wouldn’t see the field much no matter what.

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by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 8:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Someone already said this…

But having Rent come in as a legitimate back-up could actually work out rather well. He’d get less playing time so he’d be hurt less, but he’s good enough that we won’t panic if the ball is hit his way.

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by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 9:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I reserve my right to panic in any situation.

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by gallo del cielo on Dec 8, 2010 11:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Stop with OF already, Sabes. Compared to this, and he may suck-ish, but I’d prefer trading Ishi and Whiteside for Doumit and cash. Opens up a roster spot for a legit MIF back-up.

by sanfranfreakshow on Dec 8, 2010 3:48 PM PST reply actions  

reply fail to G pain upstairs. sowwy.

by sanfranfreakshow on Dec 8, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Id prefer trading a rock for Doumit, but that’s not going to happen either. Whiteside is worthless, and Ishi is almost worthless.

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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 8, 2010 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

News on the greatest pitcher who ever touched a baseball...
SI.com’s Jon Heyman reported yesterday that two teams may have offered Cliff Lee seven-year deals, and the rumor mill will be flying again today. Remember, the Yankees, Rangers, Angels, and Nationals all deny such an offer. Here’s a look at all of yesterday’s rumors, and here are today’s:

The Yankees offered Lee a six-year deal worth $140MM, according to Mark Feinsand of the New York Daily News (on Twitter).

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 4:12 PM PST reply actions  

The two teams are the Scotts and the Borases

by djfivenine on Dec 8, 2010 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

good job stealing FP’s line

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by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

He wouldn’t have crap to talk about if the Giants didn’t win the world series

by djfivenine on Dec 8, 2010 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s a lot of money for a player who lost TWO World Series games in the space of a week, isn’t it? ;)

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by Kitspool on Dec 8, 2010 4:36 PM PST up reply actions  

You missed my subject line

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Owned by Freddy Sanchez

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by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 4:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey guys, what’d I miss?

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by deuce deuce on Dec 8, 2010 4:27 PM PST reply actions  

A visit from the grammar police
discussion about Bible translations
Padres getting Bartlett
Scott Boras
Gun Control
Giants starting new season at home…
Winter meeting

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 4:29 PM PST up reply actions  

the grammar one was long.

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by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 7:01 PM PST up reply actions  

skip it

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by gallo del cielo on Dec 8, 2010 11:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I finally admitted my boyhood crush on Gabrielle.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 4:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Grammar and punctuation lessons, Luke Scott is a jackass, Bartlett to SD, the Giants won the World Series.

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by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 4:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Can’t believe I forgot about Luke Scott

by calbearjd on Dec 8, 2010 4:29 PM PST up reply actions  

it would probably be better if everyone did

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by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 4:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Dint even know who he were.

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Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.

by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

oh, and the Giants might open with one game at home!

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by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

TWSS?

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by Soulbrother16 on Dec 8, 2010 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

69

Days until pitchers and catchers report. Which is also my birthday. Season tickets make a nice gift.

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by GiantMalcontent on Dec 8, 2010 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes indeedy.

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by GiantMalcontent on Dec 8, 2010 7:55 PM PST up reply actions  

There seems to be a lot more animal sex on nature shows these days than when I was a kid.

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by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Shift A

LOL BIBLE AND GRAMMAR THREADS.

Also LOL Lookout Landing:
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2010/12/8/1865032/mariners-sign-one-cool-customer

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by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 4:55 PM PST reply actions  

nice predictive headlines
Headline in August: “DH’s Production Has Been Dis-Custing”

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by natteringnabob on Dec 8, 2010 5:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Let’s see Lookout Landing do this thread.

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by gallo del cielo on Dec 8, 2010 11:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Must have not liked Bartlett

We could have easily put together a better package then the one the padres got him for.

by Jason Covey on Dec 8, 2010 5:08 PM PST reply actions  

Bad news ...

Judge rules for Jamie, means Dodgers will be sold. What if they get a GOOD owner? I was hoping they’d stay with how-much-leverage-is-too-much-leverage? McCourt. TJ Simers is pretty funny:

http://tinyurl.com/29rt2br

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by GiantMalcontent on Dec 8, 2010 5:12 PM PST reply actions  

Who do you think Frank considers the bigger disappointment, Jonathan Broxton at $7 million a year, or Jamie at $7.6 million a year in support payments?

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by GiantMalcontent on Dec 8, 2010 5:14 PM PST up reply actions  

The judge ruled for Jamie on Monday I think it was, doesn’t necessarily mean the Dodgers will be sold. They each will own half, and it one wants to keep the team (probably Frank) then he will need to get investors to buy out her half

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by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 5:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I think the usual solution with joint marital property is to sell it rather than have both spouses retain ownership. So the court may order a sale regardless of what McCourt wants to do. If he has enough resources, the judge might let him buy out Jamie’s share as part of the divorce settlement.

I feel prickishly demanding!

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by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 8, 2010 6:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Obviously

You haven’t read the divorce stories. Frank is so incredibly over-leveraged that he cannot afford toothpaste, much less buying Jamie out. When he said he was ‘raising payroll’ to the public, records show, his owed more money on purchasing the team than the team was worth. He has offered part ownerships to people and they have looked at the books and said uh, no. Way over leveraged. Check old LA times stories on the divorce if curious. He has NO dough.

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by GiantMalcontent on Dec 8, 2010 7:06 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s pretty much exactly what happened to Bill Veeck many years ago, I think when he had to sell the Indians.

May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.

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by natteringnabob on Dec 8, 2010 8:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Pretty much exactly what happened to me, buying in 2005.

But I have no wife not to share it all with.

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by gallo del cielo on Dec 8, 2010 11:11 PM PST up reply actions  

OT:Does anyone know if there is a free baseball Sim (like Baseballl Mogul or OOTP)

Not just a demo

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by Gobroks on Dec 8, 2010 5:14 PM PST reply actions  

do you have email?

i could send you ootp 11

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or some other way? i could send a link to it if thats appropriate

by posey yaknowsy on Dec 8, 2010 5:29 PM PST up reply actions  

ootp let’s you download full copies of some of their older versions on their website. you could also get full copies of their current version through alternate means

by kingofthacove on Dec 8, 2010 5:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I think OOTP 8 is available free.

May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum

by natteringnabob on Dec 8, 2010 6:05 PM PST up reply actions  

which should NOT be linked here

Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 7:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Just kidding on Bartlett?

6:43pm: The Rays say they have nothing to announce and that reports of a deal are premature, according to Marc Topkin of the St. Petersburg Times (Twitter link)."
-MLB Trade Rumors

"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."

by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 6:14 PM PST reply actions  

Wow


I think San Francisco has a problem

"My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder." -Zinedine Zidane
"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona

by Useful_Idiot on Dec 8, 2010 6:15 PM PST reply actions  

Stalkers.

"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat

by deuce deuce on Dec 8, 2010 6:21 PM PST up reply actions  

it takes into account where you are

Mine has Bill Gates and Dave Matthews.

Bieber and glycolysis are universal.

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by Murray, Present on Dec 8, 2010 6:30 PM PST up reply actions  

INTERNETZ REPORTING

BEIBER IS MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 6:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Where does Meg Whitman actually live? I think she lives in the South Bay, but I’m not sure.

"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"

by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 8:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought it was Atherton. That’s what I recall from the high speed rail stuff anyway

WWRWD?

by SF Pete on Dec 8, 2010 8:37 PM PST up reply actions  

That would make sense.

"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"

by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 8:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep.

He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.

by gallo del cielo on Dec 8, 2010 11:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Say, where does gycolosis occur, anyway? And is Wilson responsible for it?

The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!

by TheLetter2 on Dec 9, 2010 7:22 AM PST up reply actions  

IN THE CYTOPLASM

I thought everyone knew that…

Brian Sabean: Sing His Praises To The Heavens!
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game that seems to have resurrected itself in my absence...

by zenbitz on Dec 9, 2010 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Kevin Love has 15 points and 10 rebounds in 16 minutes.

So top 3 in NBA PF’s?.

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 6:17 PM PST reply actions  

well

his point total will probably fall a little bit, because his 3 point success rate this year is pretty unsustainable, but the rebounding numbers are nothing short of spectacular. If he’s not top 3, he’s top 5 for sure I’d say.

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by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 6:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Why do you think his 3pt rate is unsustainable?

40% on the year.

His FG% is only 44% so if his 3Pt% goes down his FG will eventually go up. I think if his PPG drops at all it will only be slight. He’s at 20 PPG right now, I’d be surprised he finishes the year lower than 18.5. At teh beginning of the year I had him at 20/12/.40/.50/.80 and somehow he’s beating that.

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 6:35 PM PST up reply actions  

because 40% is really really really good

and way better than he’s shown before. His 2pt fg% will probably go up a little, but overall, I’d say he finishes the year right in the 18-18.5 range.

Which, of course is still really really good, with his rebound rate

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by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 6:42 PM PST up reply actions  

SSS on the 3Pt FG%

It should increase upon last year, granted it has increased substantially, but I think it has a chance for sustainability, a decent chance.

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 7:55 PM PST up reply actions  

40%

that would put him in the top 40 ALL TIME. I don’t believe there would be any bigs above him. There’s no way he sustains 40%.

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by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 7:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Okay I give...

38%

BTW Nowitzki has put up 406, 416 and 421 and is working on 390 right now. I don’t think that is too far fetched for Love to be a comparable 3pt shooter to Dirk.

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 8:08 PM PST up reply actions  

wow.

Dirk is one of the best PFs of all time. That’s a pretty weighty statement.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
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by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 8:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I am only referring to his 3 pt %

And love just isn’t going to take as many shots as Dirk so he won’t ever score as much. But he will rebound more. I could also see Love having 4 or 5 assist season at some point.

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 8:50 PM PST up reply actions  

top 40 all time for a single season? or for career?

Thing A

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by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 8:10 PM PST up reply actions  

career

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by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 8:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Detlef Schrempf had a few seasons shooting over 40% from 3 and one shooting over 50%

WWRWD?

by SF Pete on Dec 8, 2010 10:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow, I didn’t realize the guy on Parks and Recreation was actually good. He retired right before I started following sports.

"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"

by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 11:30 PM PST up reply actions  

BEGS THE QUESTION

Hmm. I’ll take the challenge.

Duncan’s still ahead, I say. Then there’s Dirk. After that the arguments become complicated. Who is and is not a PF? Whoa, Al Jefferson is a Jazz? Sheesh. I’m out of the loop. Anyway, Gasol is also ahead of Love. Garnett is quietly putting together a pretty darn good season, and he has the pedigree. Now we’re looking at the Amare Stoudamires of the world. Or maybe just Amare.

Duncan, Gasol and Dirk exclude Love from the top three. Throwing Stoudamire and Garnett in there pushes him out of the top five. Seems like he has a decent argument for passing up those two. So, near thing. Not quite there yet.

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 6:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm sure I'm forgetting someone.

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 6:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Al Horford and Noah are both in the discussion.

You’ll have to go with your gut on Griffin (I’m thinking he’s gotta be right there already), and Carlos Boozer is a maybe, but doubtful.

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 6:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I think he’s easily ahead of Noah. Probably ahead of Amare and Garnett too

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 6:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with this.

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 7:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with this.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 6:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Kevin Love is better than Amare.

Thing A

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by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 6:47 PM PST up reply actions  

It's nearer than you think.

Amar’e is a puzzle to me. As awful as his defense is, the guy can just flat out score, and that’s an awfully rare talent to have. Kevin Love has his tricks, but if it came down to a single bucket, which guy would you choose to go for it?

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 6:49 PM PST up reply actions  

but love

is a much much better rebounder than Amare

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 6:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh yes.

And so you have to decide what’s more important to you. As a Kings fan, I know you like those rebounders. I’m the same way. But I don’t think it’s cut and dried in the slightest…. And there is, once again, the issue of pedigree.

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 6:59 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah

I think overall it about evens out between those two, and obviously it would depend on the structure of the rest of the team.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 7:00 PM PST up reply actions  

/beavis laughs
/butthead laughs

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 7:57 PM PST up reply actions  

well yea, but “if it came down to a single bucket…” is a much different question than who is the better PF. Amare scores so efficiently that I’m not sure you shouldn’t take him over almost anyone in that situation. That certainly doesn’t mean he’s in the discussion for best player in the league.

Thing A

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by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 7:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Wouldn't put him there.

But among best PFs….

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 7:16 PM PST up reply actions  

a Jazz sure sounds wrong

"I dont always hit home runs, but when I do, I prefer World Series winning home runs"

by CB30 on Dec 8, 2010 6:54 PM PST up reply actions  

If you have a better method....

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Al Jefferson is Jazzy

"I dont always hit home runs, but when I do, I prefer World Series winning home runs"

by CB30 on Dec 8, 2010 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

a member of the Jazz

is on the Jazz
was traded to the Jazz
plays for the Jazz

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 6:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Your ways are cumbersome and smelly.

Mine is succinct and easy to understand. I am the victor.

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Dec 8, 2010 7:01 PM PST up reply actions  

but your way sounds funny

aesthetics > succinctness

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 7:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Fun Fact

Kevin Love’s uncle is Mike Love, the Beach Boys’ singer.

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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 8:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Fun fact: a 1968 Beach Boys B-side is a Charles Manson composition, though credited to Dennis Wilson.

by wcw on Dec 8, 2010 8:16 PM PST up reply actions  

For more details, read Helter Skelter. A real must-read.

May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum

by natteringnabob on Dec 8, 2010 8:18 PM PST up reply actions  

My favorite we-really-lived-in-Minnesota-for-a-while story involves Jesse Ventura, then governor. Now, Jesse was not perfect, but one of his virtues was that if you asked him a question, he would answer it. The Body was on one of those Reading Is Fun appearances where he shows up at an elementary school, reads a chapter of something to the kids and chats for the cameras. “What’s your favorite book” got an answer involving the Navy Seals. Then some eight-year-old asks, “what book have you read most often?” Helter Skelter.

Then Jesse Ventura, in front of cameras and journalists, explained Charles Manson to second graders.

I do not miss Minnesota, but what a great moment.

by wcw on Dec 8, 2010 8:21 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s awesome, although IIRC I read some of it while fairly young because my sister was reading it… perhaps that’s where it all went wrong for me.

I liked the Zodiac book as well, similar in some ways. Great time to grow up here.

May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum

by natteringnabob on Dec 8, 2010 8:23 PM PST up reply actions  

well this is encouraging
Agent Scott Boras says he’ll call the Giants about Damon and Rick Ankiel, but a Giants source tells John Shea of the San Francisco Chronicle that the team isn’t interested in either player.

Thing A

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by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 6:47 PM PST reply actions  

Sign Damon!

Then Eric Chavez!

Then Terrence Long!

Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry

by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 8, 2010 7:00 PM PST up reply actions  

“Bey Brian, it’s your buddy Scott. Scott Boras. How’s Zito workin out for you? What? Oh, I’m not your buddy? Well, I’ve got these two great players, faces of franchises, these guys are, and I’m looking…”(beep beep beep if you’d like to make a call)

The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.

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by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 7:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I’d rather Sabean just not answer the phone.

"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."

by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 9:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Ned Colletti is interested!

"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"

by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 7:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh God
MUrbanCSN Mychael Urban

I became a huge Sabean fan this week, by the way. Smart and sneaky funny. #SFGiants.

My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.

by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 7:14 PM PST reply actions  

Zito is gonna be so jealous

Thing A

"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud

by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 7:37 PM PST up reply actions  

My pet peeve

The term “MLB”. I hate it. “Major league baseball” shouldn’t be a proper noun, because the major leagues are two, and should not be one. MLB conjures up images of Bud Selig and his minions in Milwaukee or New York or wherever they are working to degrade the game and all those idiots on the Internet who tell us that if we oppose the DH we’re reactionary idiots and fuck I hate it all.

NL 4EVER
AL NEVER

"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"

by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 7:51 PM PST reply actions  

What bugs me is when it’s referred to as “the MLB”, like the NFL or the NBA.

My adopted Giant got shipped off to Pittsburgh, and it was worth it.

by rightcenterfielder on Dec 8, 2010 8:10 PM PST up reply actions  

What bugs me is rather than some people saying the NFL, they say, the National Football League.

Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 8:14 PM PST up reply actions  

So, then, John Gruden.

Placeholder.

by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

EVERY SINGLE SENTENCE THAT MAN DOES IT.

I keep wanting to make it drinking game, but I also keep wanting not to die.

Placeholder.

by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Jaws is worse

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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 8:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought after one of the strikes (95?) they did away with the guts of the league structure. Which is why the league presidents don’t do anything now.

May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum

by natteringnabob on Dec 8, 2010 8:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Seems like all the league president does these days is give out the trophy for winning the NL or AL pennant.

Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 8:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Pretty much this, they used to be fairly important.

May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum

by natteringnabob on Dec 8, 2010 8:18 PM PST up reply actions  

They’re not even league presidents as such. I believe they’re appointed by Bud.

"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"

by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 8:51 PM PST up reply actions  

So

Any baseball news? ANY? Hello?? Bueller? Bueller?

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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 8:08 PM PST reply actions  

seriously, 1700+ comments about anything other than baseball slowing down my computer.

im out for the night. this is rediculous

The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.

Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.

by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 8:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, that’s another pet peeve of mine, actually. Ridiculous.

Placeholder.

by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 8:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Anyone familiar with Dave Van Horn, the 2010 Ford C. Frick Award winner? I know he used to broadcast the Expos and now the Marlins. Is he any good?

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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 8:21 PM PST reply actions  

Expos and Marlins?

I’m pretty sure nobody has listened to him, ever.

"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"

by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 8:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey, you racists!

New Baggs post:

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/extrabaggs/2010/12/08/how-sabean-and-colletti-get-along-now-brandon-belt-raves-and-other-winter-meetings-fodder/

One thing they’ve really drawn a bead on is just how special Brandon Belt very well could be. Sabean spent much of his 30-minute session with the media talking about how their internal people are raving about the kid, and then he threw a few heaping helpings of rare effusiveness on top of it. I wound up writing my print story about that and I’ll provide a link to it as soon as it’s up online. But here are a few Sabean random comments to whet your appetite …

My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.

by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 8:22 PM PST reply actions  

On why Belt isn't Posey

If you were in these meetings, there were a lot of compelling said. He’s very advanced as hitter. Belt’s situation (unlike Posey’s) is not tied to what he has to do on the defensive side, because he’s an accomplished first baseman now. He’s way above average at that position. He needs schooling in the outfield because that was a short-term experiment last year, but I think what also would help him is the best-case scenario out of spring training he’d hit down in the lineup. I think there would be less pressure.

My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.

by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 8:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Seems like he could start with the big club out of Spring Training.

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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 8:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t mind seeing him take fly balls in ST but otherwise I’m for leaving him at 1B.

May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum

by natteringnabob on Dec 8, 2010 8:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I suppose

But he could be much more valuable as an OF. If he’s as quick and smart as people are saying he is, I don’t see why he couldn’t be an above-average defender in the OF, which is a lot more valuable than an above-average defensive 1B.

My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.

by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 8:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry, I should have added “this year”. Huff seemed fine in LF but if he gets hurt or slows down Belt might end up there next year I suppose.

May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum

by natteringnabob on Dec 8, 2010 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I really think we have the white Derek Lee on our hands

/racist

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 9:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Awkward.

My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.

by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 9:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Interesting quote about Agent Ned
"Ned was tremendous. His son (Lou Colletti) works with us, he’s a scout in the Midwest. Ned actually attended Game 1 and Game 2 with him and sat in the stands with his son. I don’t know that he was rooting for the Giants, but I know he’s a National League guy and I can’t remember if it was before Game 1 or 2, but he was in our clubhouse. That’s how close the relationship is. He’ll always be a Giant and he’ll always be a dear friend. He’s a very talented guy."

Did he talk to him after the Uribe signing?

"I didn’t have to. It’s gamesmanship. You sign a good player, so what are your going to do?"

I didn’t know we employed his son.

My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.

by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn't know this:
‘best baserunner in our organization"

So our future power hitting 1B has VROOM??

But then I thought about it. Maybe that is more a comment on the organization than the player.

Finally a signature worth having:

Fan of the World Champion San Francisco Giants.

by fierrpawz on Dec 8, 2010 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

“best baserunner” doesn’t necessarily = vroom

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by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 8:36 PM PST up reply actions  

True, but best in the organization?

I would think that implies at least some vroom.
Some is more than I was thinking.

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by fierrpawz on Dec 8, 2010 8:37 PM PST up reply actions  

He’s tall, so he might have a high top end but I doubt he’s got the instant acceleration of a true base-stealer. Sometimes that phrase is used to mean ‘not the fastest, but the best instincts and awareness’.

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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 9, 2010 8:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Or vice versa. See: Lincoln, Fast Black Abraham.

"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"

by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 8:52 PM PST up reply actions  

win

May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

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by natteringnabob on Dec 8, 2010 9:02 PM PST up reply actions  

As vroom is our witness.

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by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

dude had like 19 SB last year

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by jponry on Dec 8, 2010 9:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah but I don't think it'll last...

He said himself in an interview that he was pretty sure he only got away with it because people weren’t expecting it. And I think most of them happened towards the beginning of the year.

"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."

by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 9:11 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah it's true, most of them were in A+

That said Jeff Bagwell put up some 30 SB seasons solely on the strength of his baserunning smarts. Belt might be able to put up a few years of 10-15.

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by jponry on Dec 8, 2010 9:13 PM PST up reply actions  

even if he only stole 10 bases, that would be good for 8 more than the next highest on the Giants, it seems

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by giant4life83 on Dec 8, 2010 9:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Seriously if Pujols can do this, Belt could. Pujols is slower then shit. He just picks his spots so well. Smart baserunning >>>> speed. Just ask Eugenio Velez.

by Hobbes2d on Dec 8, 2010 9:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Christ

Sabean getting me to practically orgasm.

Hasn’t happened this way for over a month.

by Timorous Me on Dec 8, 2010 10:08 PM PST up reply actions  

If Belt lives up to the potential, we’re gonna have a stellar core of young players for quite a while. I mean, even if he doesn’t, we have plenty of young players.

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by Useful_Idiot on Dec 9, 2010 1:04 AM PST up reply actions  

The AL East is ridiculously stupid
@mlbtraderumors: Red Sox Agree To Sign Carl Crawford http://bit.ly/fbKSJV

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by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 8:39 PM PST reply actions  

saw that.
PeteAbe Pete Abraham
Source: The Red Sox have a seven-year, $142 million deal done with Carl Crawford.

by bruddah on Dec 8, 2010 8:41 PM PST up reply actions  

wow, thats a lot of money

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by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 8:42 PM PST up reply actions  

And yet again, let me say: Hooray for the AL! Clownballs for everyone!

May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.

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by natteringnabob on Dec 8, 2010 9:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ll take Ellsbury please

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by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 8:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Must be fun being a Red Sox fan…oh wait.

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by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 9:01 PM PST up reply actions  

That has to be a joke right?

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by fierrpawz on Dec 8, 2010 8:40 PM PST reply actions  

Man.

Cliff Lee is going to get PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAID

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by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 8:43 PM PST reply actions  

srsly.

"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"

by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 8:45 PM PST up reply actions  

yea, don’t the Yankees basically have to sign him now to counter the Sox adding Gonzalez and Crawford?

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by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

God I hope he stays in Texas.

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by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m guessing Lee to Yankees, Soriano and Beltre to the Angels, Greinke to Texas?

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by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 8:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Lee should sign with the Twins or something.

Just to fuck with everyone.

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by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Man

What does Boston’s lineup look like now. Besides scary.

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by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 8:49 PM PST reply actions  

probably

Pedroia
Crawford
Gonzalez
Youkilis
Ortiz
Cameron
Drew
C
Scutaro

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by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 8:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Weirdly weak at catcher, though. Imagine if they sent Salty to the minors and signed Russel Martin to put up a .340 OBP out of the 9th spot. Wow.

Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.

by rotorueter on Dec 8, 2010 8:55 PM PST up reply actions  

wouldn’t bet against it. Plus they’ll probably get something pretty good in trade for Ellsbury. It’ll likely be prospects, but if they really wanted to address the bullpen that way they’d be pretty stacked everywhere.

Thing A

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by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 8:57 PM PST up reply actions  

ELI FOR ELLY GIRT HER DUNNE

May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum

by natteringnabob on Dec 8, 2010 9:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Plus they were interested in Beltran too. Be even scarier if they got him and you swap out Cameron.

by Hobbes2d on Dec 8, 2010 9:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Doesn't matter

They’ll still have to go through

Lincecum
Cain
Sanchez
Bumgarner
Zito
Wilson

Can any team do that?

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 9:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Scott for Ellsbury!

"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller

t's Posey time!!

Screw you Flannery.

by sanfrankid on Dec 8, 2010 10:45 PM PST up reply actions  

in other news

i just sat in my living room, alone and slightly buzzed, watched the intro to the parade coverage again and shed a tear.
i could see myself repeating that sentence a year from now, too. i fucking love this team. ok maybe more than slightly buzzed…

by NeifiPerezz on Dec 8, 2010 8:51 PM PST reply actions  

that’s a great idea.

i’ve already got the serious buzz going! brewery ommegang (cooperstown!) is the winner!

by Timorous Me on Dec 8, 2010 10:10 PM PST up reply actions  

what the hell is an ommegang?

by NeifiPerezz on Dec 8, 2010 10:23 PM PST up reply actions  

An aboriginal orgasm.

He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.

by gallo del cielo on Dec 8, 2010 11:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Or something like that.

"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"

by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Or something like that.

"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"

by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Or something like that.

by NeifiPerezz on Dec 8, 2010 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Or something like that.

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by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 8:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Or something like that.

by BeatLA55 on Dec 8, 2010 8:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Or something like that.

Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 8:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Or something like that.

Thing A

"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud

by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 9:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Wait, wait, wait, hold on

Jason Bartlett not yet to the Padres?

by posey yaknowsy on Dec 8, 2010 8:58 PM PST reply actions  

Or something like that.

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by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 8:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Or something like that.

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by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 8:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Or something like that.

by BeatLA55 on Dec 8, 2010 8:59 PM PST up reply actions  

something or like that

Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 9:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Or something like that.

Thing A

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by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 9:01 PM PST up reply actions  

A lengthier smooth kit.

by waelwulf on Dec 8, 2010 9:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Or something like that.

(So, this is what we do in the off-season here?)

/throws fist full of glitter in the air!

♥ 2010 World Series Champion San Francisco Giants ♥
♥ McCoven ♥

by GiantsBabe on Dec 8, 2010 9:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Or something like this.

Thing A

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by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 9:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Or something like that, and uh.

by waelwulf on Dec 8, 2010 9:36 PM PST up reply actions  

These people need a baseball game.

He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.

by gallo del cielo on Dec 8, 2010 11:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Is it wrong I want to watch the ESPN 30 for 30 film just because it uses "God'll Cut You Down" in the promo?

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THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES

by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 8:58 PM PST reply actions  

hosted by luke scott?

by NeifiPerezz on Dec 8, 2010 8:59 PM PST up reply actions  

SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
crawford becomes the highest paid OF in baseball history. (9th biggest contract in baseball history). #redsox
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
crawford receives partial no-trade clause from #redsox

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by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 9:00 PM PST reply actions  

I live in a world where Carl Crawford is the highest payed OF in baseball history.

….ugh

But I also live in a world where the Giants have won the World Series, so its all good.

by BeatLA55 on Dec 8, 2010 9:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Do the Angels hit the panic button now?
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
#angels have to be all over beltre now. they sought offense 1st. hes by far best offensive player left. and they have opening at 3B

5 years/20 million!

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by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 9:01 PM PST reply actions  

I really figured they would end up with Crawford, but I didn’t realize that Boston would airlift pallets of $100 bills to him either.

May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum

by natteringnabob on Dec 8, 2010 9:05 PM PST up reply actions  

that poor Rays fan who now has to watch Crawford in a Red Sox uniform

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by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 9:08 PM PST up reply actions  

That's 20 million per year of course.

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by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 9:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Just realized I double-posted. <3 you guys.

"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"

by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 9:02 PM PST reply actions  

Or something like that.

by BeatLA55 on Dec 8, 2010 9:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Or something like that.

"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"

by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 9:03 PM PST up reply actions  

like that or something

Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 9:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Fáiling can in fact be easy.

"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"

by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 9:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Big picture is big

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by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 9:03 PM PST up reply actions  

It's the Big Easy

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by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 9:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Well

Crawford may have some more power in that sandbox they play in.

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by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 9:06 PM PST reply actions  

but left handed

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by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 9:08 PM PST up reply actions  

but left field bleachers right behind 1st base.

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by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 9:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Err

Right field. Crawford being LEFT handed.

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by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 9:08 PM PST up reply actions  

RF

Thing A

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by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 9:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

caught it as it was posting. I had a sad.

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by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 9:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Thing is, his steals will go down. He can’t steal 30 vs. the Red Sox like he did in 2010.

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by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 9:07 PM PST up reply actions  

CURRENTLY WATCHING THE WORLD SERIES DVD

/GIRLISH SQUEAL

McCovey Chronicles - The repetition is awesome. Proud Adoptive Parent of BRETT PILL.

READ MY BLOG!!!!

by sadison bummedgarner on Dec 8, 2010 9:08 PM PST reply actions  

I will squee in sympathy.

"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"

by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 9:09 PM PST up reply actions  

We all love Rob Schneider

Contain yourself.

My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.

by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 9:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I watched the DVD yesterday. Schneider wasn’t bad.

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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 9:12 PM PST up reply actions  

It may be the most solemn thing he has done as a professional.

by non sequitur on Dec 8, 2010 10:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Jeez!

I disappear for an hour and a half and this place explodes.

So Crawford’s signed with the Red Sox and the Bartlett trade may or may not have happened?

"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."

by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 9:16 PM PST reply actions  

Bartlett trade did happen.

And Crawford is the highest payed OF of all time.

by BeatLA55 on Dec 8, 2010 9:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Or something like that.

by BeatLA55 on Dec 8, 2010 9:17 PM PST up reply actions  

that blows my mind.

by bruddah on Dec 8, 2010 9:21 PM PST up reply actions  

That is insane. Holy, freaking…/trails off

"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."

by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 9:24 PM PST up reply actions  

best OPS of Crawfords career, .851

Granted the dude is a sensational OF, but he plays LF, not Center and Torres has put up almost identical wOBA over the past two seasons.

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 9:28 PM PST up reply actions  

This market is nuts.

Completely nuts. A:EOfijeij!

"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."

by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 9:31 PM PST up reply actions  

So far Sabean has made the best moves all offseason.

Huff and Burrell, 52-55 HR for like 11 million a year.

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 9:33 PM PST up reply actions  

The further we get into the off-season…the better Sabean is looking.

"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."

by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 9:36 PM PST up reply actions  

The offseason is like a night at a shitty bar.

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by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 9:38 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah

Sabean didn’t even overpay for Huff in retrospect.

My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.

by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 9:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Especially after the Cubs gave Pena 10 mill for 1 year. I thought he’d be worth like 6 max.

I bet LaRoche still gets jipped and has to take like 3 mill from the Nats.

by Hobbes2d on Dec 8, 2010 9:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Suck it nerdz.

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 9:40 PM PST up reply actions  

rec’d

"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."

by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 9:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Huff is looking like a bargain at this point. And the Burrell deal is beyond absurd.

"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."

by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 9:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Unless Huff reverts back to his non 08/10 form

Dude isn’t exactly the most consistent from year to year.

by Hobbes2d on Dec 8, 2010 9:39 PM PST up reply actions  

meh

he’s had another couple of good years, and only 2 in his career where his wOBA has been unacceptable for a 1B.

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by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 9:43 PM PST up reply actions  

You could easily argue

Sabean’s only mistake, and it’s aminor one, was not giving Uribe another 3 million more to see if he would stay. But still, three years is probably a bad idea on Uribe regardless.

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 9:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I am with you

but seeing these deals, you could still make an argument that 3/24 would be a relatively palatable deal.

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 9:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Well supposedly we offered a 3rd year and he went with LA for 1 mill more.

by Hobbes2d on Dec 8, 2010 9:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly.

We did not get last chance to match.
He would have just leveraged that back to the Dodgers.

Finally a signature worth having:

Fan of the World Champion San Francisco Giants.

by fierrpawz on Dec 8, 2010 9:44 PM PST up reply actions  

And Crawford is the highest payed OF of all time.

So Andre Torres is worth what…19 million a year?

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 9:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Now THAT blows my mind.

Ugh, I hate how much Lee is going to get paid now…

"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."

by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 9:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Torres is very, very similar to Crawford over the past two seasons.

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 9:26 PM PST up reply actions  

What would a 29 year old Willie Mays get these days?

30 million?

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 9:29 PM PST up reply actions  

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!
Crawford deal $52M more than next-highest paid player who never hit 20 homers in a season – Ichiro

by Hobbes2d on Dec 8, 2010 9:29 PM PST up reply actions  

And Ichiro does everything else at least as good or better than Crawford

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 9:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Do we start betting on when this becomes an albatross contract?

"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."

by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 9:31 PM PST up reply actions  

It would be for any other club but the Red Sox or Yankees. Those two clubs print money like the US Government.

Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

The Cubs print money too and they still have bad contracts. Every teams do. Lackey and Beckett already look bad for the Sox.

What helps the Sox is that they have some of their best players already locked up to team friendly deals and have a closer who is making a lot via arbitration but whom probably won’t be around much longer. Lester, Youkilis and Pedroia are all making peanuts compared to their relative worth.

by Hobbes2d on Dec 8, 2010 9:41 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL Daisuke

Gyroball’d

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 9:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Every other team would be bothered by his contract. Red Sox shrug and say “meh”.

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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 9:44 PM PST up reply actions  

The fact is, the Red Sox won’t care this deal looks bad in 4 years.

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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 9:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure they care lol. They just have the ability to still field a great team in spite of bad contracts. Most teams don’t have that ability.

by Hobbes2d on Dec 8, 2010 9:44 PM PST up reply actions  

racist

Thing A

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by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 9:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Crawford signs with the Red Sox so Sportscenter HAS to talk to someone from ESPN New York to get an idea on how the Yankees will respond.

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by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 9:33 PM PST up reply actions  

mccoveychron McCovey Chronicles
“No, no. Stay in to face Youklis, drill him in the ass, and then get the third out.” #thingsbrucebochywillsaytojavierlopeznextOctober

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by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 9:21 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

LOL

"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10

by Kitspool on Dec 8, 2010 10:16 PM PST up reply actions  

That was an impressive summary! Well done :)

/throws fist full of glitter in the air!

♥ 2010 World Series Champion San Francisco Giants ♥
♥ McCoven ♥

by GiantsBabe on Dec 8, 2010 9:31 PM PST up reply actions  

/golf clap . . .

He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.

by gallo del cielo on Dec 8, 2010 11:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Or something like that

by BeatLA55 on Dec 8, 2010 9:34 PM PST up reply actions  

make this green, so no one else will have to go through it all

someone with more free time than sense.

Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.

Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.

by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 9:37 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

ok

That is my specialty, after all. Greenin’ posts.

/throws fist full of glitter in the air!

♥ 2010 World Series Champion San Francisco Giants ♥
♥ McCoven ♥

by GiantsBabe on Dec 8, 2010 9:46 PM PST up reply actions  

rec'd

"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."

by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 9:49 PM PST up reply actions  

C’mon, folks. Green up fierrpaws’, or something’s, willingness to read through the whole damned thing.

C’mon.

He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.

by gallo del cielo on Dec 8, 2010 11:33 PM PST up reply actions  

You should write the Cliff (Lee) Notes for this site!

"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10

by Kitspool on Dec 8, 2010 10:16 PM PST up reply actions  

that one guy had sex with a fertile female

Mark DeRosa, still existing.

by oldjacket on Dec 8, 2010 10:52 PM PST up reply actions  

By all accounts, he was ALSO fertile.

Placeholder.

by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 11:23 PM PST up reply actions  

It was basically a perfect storm of fertility.

Placeholder.

by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 11:24 PM PST up reply actions  

one?

Playoff baseball is fun. We should do this more often.

by bgunn on Dec 9, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

so 142 million is kind of a lot for a guy who has exceeded a 5 WAR only twice (less times than Jayson Werth, though he is a couple years younger) with much of that value coming from a really high UZR.

by kingofthacove on Dec 8, 2010 9:24 PM PST reply actions  

i like crawford

but i’m glad the Giants didn’t give him that contract.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on Dec 8, 2010 9:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah no kidding. I love Crawford but paying him anything more then like 75-80 mill is just a bad idea. His OBP is batting average dependent and he’s a couple years away from losing speed and defensive range which further diminishes his value at the plate, on the basepaths and in the field.

I find it hilarious that they could have overpaid Bay and still saved about 80 mill in the process to have a bad contract LF’er. And yet he wouldn’t have been around for 7 years but probably 5 at the most.

by Hobbes2d on Dec 8, 2010 9:28 PM PST up reply actions  

That kind of money is nothing to the Red Sox.

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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 9:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Watch them sign Pujols next year and let Papi walk.

by Hobbes2d on Dec 8, 2010 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

What is Albert worth now?

Finally a signature worth having:

Fan of the World Champion San Francisco Giants.

by fierrpawz on Dec 8, 2010 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd guess 10/300

And I don’t think I’m joking.

My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.

by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 9:41 PM PST up reply actions  

That might the low end.

Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 9:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

World is crazy.

Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.

I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog

THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES

by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 9:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I’d love to see Pujols become a free agent. The offers he’ll get…wow.

Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 9:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Sounding more likely that he might. Don’t think the Cards have the $ to keep him. Pujols value is only going to increase with the huge deals that are going around. Adrian and Prince are due for extensions. Howard got overpaid a ton. There’s also the A-Rod deal that Boras can look at and increase in relation to Pujols.

by Hobbes2d on Dec 8, 2010 9:44 PM PST up reply actions  

yea, this

I’m completely satisfied with this offseason now. When Huff was signed for more than I expected I was thinking we should’ve just gone all in on Crawford. Now I’m certain I wouldn’t have wanted to pay Crawford, Werth or Uribe what they got and I think there’s a good chance the Lee and Beltre deals could be even worse buys.

Thing A

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by sam23 on Dec 8, 2010 9:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Lee for sure. Someone will cave and give him 6 years.

by Hobbes2d on Dec 8, 2010 9:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Does this mean Sabean looks even better?

Last year they were giving away 1B and OF after the meetings, This year you can’t touch one for less than 10M before they break.

Finally a signature worth having:

Fan of the World Champion San Francisco Giants.

by fierrpawz on Dec 8, 2010 9:34 PM PST up reply actions  

his BBTF war is much lower, too.

Brian Sabean: Sing His Praises To The Heavens!
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game that seems to have resurrected itself in my absence...

by zenbitz on Dec 9, 2010 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Boy am I confused

Was this a cooking show or a beauty pageant?

# 24

by tinkerstoeverstochance on Dec 8, 2010 9:25 PM PST reply actions  

Iron Chef Miss America

Placeholder.

by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2010 9:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Scott Boras must be thrilled. If Crawford got 142 mill, what must Adrian be worth? LOL!

by Hobbes2d on Dec 8, 2010 9:26 PM PST reply actions  

I can't wait until Beltre sign for 90M+

and Boras turns around and screams “YO ADRIAN, I DID IT”

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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by jctGamer on Dec 8, 2010 9:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I meant Gonzo, but yeah Beltre will probably get a hefty sum, especially now if the Angels are desperate to get him.

by Hobbes2d on Dec 8, 2010 9:46 PM PST up reply actions  

rec'd

that sums this whole thing up nicely.

"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."

by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m bored. I usually play some games at king.com but it’s not available right now.

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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 9:30 PM PST reply actions  

How would you like to do my math homework?

"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"

by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 9:34 PM PST up reply actions  

2+2=54

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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 9:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Awesome!

Math homework complete.

"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"

by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

So are the Giants in or out on Carl Crawford?

"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat

by deuce deuce on Dec 8, 2010 9:32 PM PST reply actions  

Holy crap

The Cobra fighter jets in the original cartoon series used the same sound as TIE fighters did.

Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.

I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog

THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES

by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 9:33 PM PST reply actions  

GI Joe cartoon series, that is.

Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.

I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog

THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES

by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 9:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Now you know

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry

by jctGamer on Dec 8, 2010 9:44 PM PST up reply actions  

and knowing is half the battle!

My adopted Giant got shipped off to Pittsburgh, and it was worth it.

by rightcenterfielder on Dec 8, 2010 10:48 PM PST up reply actions  

And here I thought we lived in an enlightened baseball era

But that guy just got 140 million.

My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.

by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 9:36 PM PST reply actions  

The fact that anyone gets 140 million shows that we are not in an enlightened baseball era.

Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.

I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog

THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES

by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

Not to mention 7 years…

"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."

by Ceora on Dec 8, 2010 9:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Some players are worth it. But paying pitchers that or OF’ers who don’t hit for power is just insane.

by Hobbes2d on Dec 8, 2010 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

well BB% is hardly the only statistic to take into account when judging a player

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on Dec 8, 2010 9:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I know, of course

Crawford’s good, but my only point is that he’s not without his flaws.

Jayson Werth, on the other hand, is pretty much above average at everything….

My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.

by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 9:53 PM PST up reply actions  

He’s also like three years older than Crawford, which probably has more to do with the disparity in salaries than anything else.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on Dec 8, 2010 9:57 PM PST up reply actions  

The Red Sox paid $140 million to a crooked green line with nine data points on it?

"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10

by Kitspool on Dec 8, 2010 10:28 PM PST up reply actions  

hankschulman Henry Schulman
I think Crawford signed for $142 million just so ESPN would stop talking about Brett Bloody Favre for five minutes.

Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.

I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog

THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES

by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 9:38 PM PST reply actions  

No no no, today it was Urban Meyer.

I thought he was related to John. Or a pope.

someone with more free time than sense.

Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.

Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.

by shanghaijim on Dec 8, 2010 9:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Not that ESPN talking about the Red Sox is that much better than them talking about Favre.

"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat

by deuce deuce on Dec 8, 2010 9:40 PM PST up reply actions  

WHY THE FUCK IS IT 16 DEGREES HERE IN VIRGINIA

Ass = Frozen

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry

by jctGamer on Dec 8, 2010 9:41 PM PST reply actions  

You’re frozen in Vagina???

by TBRMKane on Dec 8, 2010 9:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Can numbers be pulled from a frozen jcb9's ass?

Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.

I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog

THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES

by scout6 on Dec 8, 2010 9:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you’re asking the wrong question. The question you should be asking is “Why the fuck am I in Virginia?”

"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat

by deuce deuce on Dec 8, 2010 9:43 PM PST up reply actions  

How long did it take before you saw another Asian person?

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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 9:44 PM PST up reply actions  

The jet stream moved unusually far to the south, allowing colder air from Canada to move into the eastern half of the country.

The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!

by TheLetter2 on Dec 9, 2010 7:27 AM PST up reply actions  

I would be really excited if we saw this line-up in october:

torres cf
sanchez 2b
posey c
belt 1b
sandoval 3b
huff lf
burrell dh
boss rf
tejada ss

I don’t know what’s better: Pablo being in the 5th spot or Belt being in the 4th spot

by kingofthacove on Dec 8, 2010 9:45 PM PST reply actions  

the best part of that lineup

is Burrell DHing.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 9:46 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

+1

"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat

by deuce deuce on Dec 8, 2010 9:46 PM PST up reply actions  

No

the best part is the homegrown youthful middle of the order all under contract for many more years, producing 60+ HRs/year.

# 24

by tinkerstoeverstochance on Dec 9, 2010 11:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Assuming

this means that Panda has earned that 5th spot in teh lineup, I’d say absolutely thrilled to see that in October.

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

i want posey-belt-sandoval-(neal)

to be the 3-4-5-(6) for years to come

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on Dec 8, 2010 9:50 PM PST up reply actions  

But is Neal real?

"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"

by El Person on Dec 8, 2010 9:51 PM PST up reply actions  

he will be.

I believe.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on Dec 8, 2010 9:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Neal is Real (TBD)

"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat

by deuce deuce on Dec 8, 2010 9:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, Angel.

"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."

by Cody_ransom on Dec 8, 2010 9:53 PM PST up reply actions  

you know what would be cool? if every guy in our line-up decided to match the best year of their career:

Torres: .268/.343/.479
Sanchez: .344/.378/.473
Belt: .330/.425/.605 (conservative prediction about what his career year will be)
Burrell: .256/.400/.502
Sandoval: .330/.387/.556
Huff: .290/.385/.506
Tejada: .330/.379/.498
Posey: .305/.357/.505
Ross: .260/.316/.488

by kingofthacove on Dec 8, 2010 9:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Know what I love?

this:

will be on the fangraphs front page until opening day.

Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.

by Viliphied on Dec 8, 2010 9:55 PM PST reply actions  

And this

Will be forever burned into my memory.

My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.

by GiantPain on Dec 8, 2010 9:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Needs a Josh from Hollywood word bubble.

"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10

by Kitspool on Dec 8, 2010 10:29 PM PST up reply actions  

You lie

That clearly was shopped.

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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 9:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I apologized for my contribution to this.

Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by SFGuy on Dec 8, 2010 9:57 PM PST up reply actions  

These people clearly need a baseball game.

I, too apologize for my small roll.

He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.

by gallo del cielo on Dec 8, 2010 10:25 PM PST up reply actions  

A baseball game would be nice. Is it March yet?

So, I guess I should stop muttering to myself about football subthreads. I am truly no better than they. Same folly, different weakness.

I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?

by Ott on Dec 8, 2010 10:30 PM PST up reply actions  

You need to do a post in January asking for unsubstantiated rumors about how many pounds Panda has lost during the off season.

"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10

by Kitspool on Dec 8, 2010 10:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Did I miss that we traded Kevin Pucetas for Jose Guillen?

Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry

by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 8, 2010 10:44 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah, that was announced almost two months ago…

by nataku on Dec 8, 2010 10:48 PM PST up reply actions  

weird

Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry

by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 8, 2010 10:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Bartlett will now bend us over for all of eternity
10:20pm: The deal is done, according to Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports (on Twitter).

6:43pm: The Rays say they have nothing to announce and that reports of a deal are premature, according to Marc Topkin of the St. Petersburg Times (Twitter link).

5:45pm: The Padres have acquired Jason Bartlett from the Rays for relievers Adam Russell and Cesar Ramos.

by DFARowand on Dec 8, 2010 10:58 PM PST reply actions  

Sabean + Bochy + Giants = World Champions

eating crow and loving it, Sabes Rules!!!!

Trade Sabean...

by Regulus on Dec 9, 2010 10:46 AM PST reply actions  

Sabean's best move was keeping Timmy, Matty, Weezee and Dirty together

by refusing to move one of them for a bat the last 3 years, we are now KINGS, although i bashed Sabes continually, I kept the respect for him because he refused to let our staff go…..now he’s LEGEND

HUMM BABY, WORLD CHAMPIONS

Trade Sabean...

by Regulus on Dec 9, 2010 10:49 AM PST reply actions  

plus buster plus madbum

plus (I hope) belt and panda. 8 homegrown awesome champion talents.

# 24

by tinkerstoeverstochance on Dec 9, 2010 11:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Hilarious......misplaced paragraph about Sandoval.....

…..made it seem like Sabes had harsh words for our scout:

“Giants senior adviser Tony Siegle, who has worked for 23 general managers, said Sabean’s loyalty, scouting acumen and willingness to listen and engage in spirited give-and-take all contribute to the organizaton’s success. “He has no ego whatsoever. None,” Siegle said. “We all would throw ourselves under muni street cars for him, because that’s what he inspires. And he’ll do the same thing for us.”

“He has to make a lifestyle change if he wants to keep his career going,” Sabean said. “All the red flags are there, and he knows what he needs to do. He’s been given some tough love, and we hope he gets the message. If not, the guy could end up in Triple-A to figure it out.”

by Stoned Slacker on Dec 9, 2010 3:19 PM PST reply actions  

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