Post-Series musings...
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 27, 2010 4:06 PM PST
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PrintFrom 1997 through 2004, the Giants were a good team. They won between 86 and 100 games every season -- a pretty remarkable run. Barry Bonds having the most ridiculous hitting stretch ever had a little something to do with it. If anyone denies the power of good team chemistry, point them to the Giants of that era. They had some of the best chemists a team could hope for, and the team was pretty danged good.
But I was fond of complaining that the great stretch didn’t lead to a championship. Occasionally someone would take the bait and snipe back. "All that winning, and you aren’t happy? The Pirates would kill for a stretch like that."
"Oh, don’t get me wrong," I’d reply, "it was a lot of fun at times. But I would skin you and all of your pets for a single championship. Just one. I would trade every minor league prospect, I would give up every first-round pick, and I would make a wallet out of your thighs." Then the interview would end, and I knew that yet again I wouldn’t get the job. But I said what I had to say.
Then the Giants won the World Series.
...
Still not sure what to make of that.
I always wondered if the post-championship euphoria would dissolve into an existential crisis. Would the passion still be there for the regular season now that the Giants have won the World Series? Would the losses tear me up as they had before? Or would I shrug, flip the channel, and think about Cody Ross for an hour? It was a legitimate, beautiful concern.
As the offseason has progressed, though, I’ve figured out that I’m a greedy little championship monkey, and I want more. I want Matt Cain, Tim Lincecum, and Buster Posey to have a Berra/Mantle/Ford aura surrounding them when I bore my grandkids with stories in 50 years. I want this to be a golden age of Giants baseball. I’m pretty sure there won’t be any problems getting excited for a Wednesday night game against the Marlins in June.
Where my outlook is totally different, though, is with the philosophy by which the Giants are built. In the past, I could justify just about any move that was made for a short-term gain. Aaron Rowand for 5/$60M or Barry Zito for 7/$126M? I’d think, well, that sounds like a mess at the end, but maybe he has a good year before the inevitable decline, and that’s the year the Giants win it all. Scott Barnes for Ryan Garko? Hey, maybe the Giants sneak in the playoffs because Garko is such an upgrade, and we won’t even miss Barnes because flags fly foreva. If the Giants didn’t win a championship last year, there would be a small part of me that would silently contemplate the merits of a Belt-based package for Prince Fielder. Sure, it would be for just a year of Fielder, but what if that’s the year the Giants win it all? It could happen!
Now? Forget it. I want the sustained success that I took for granted in the Bonds era. No prospects-for-expiring-contract deals. No dealing with the long-term risks of free agents because the short-term risks are so tempting. To put it in metaphorical in-game terminology: I now want the Giants to patiently work the count instead of guessing fastball on the first pitch, trying to hit a ball 500 feet. The pre-championship organizational philosophy was something of a Juan Uribe approach, and it worked. It finally worked. But it’s not the best strategy for the long-term. I want the Giants to build a roster like Posey takes an at-bat. That’s what’s going to lead to a sustained run that makes every season interesting, and maybe a couple more titles will fall in place along the way. Like, six more would be cool. It's like a taste of human flesh -- you just don't go back.
Comment starter: How has the World Series run changed how you think about Giants baseball? Some of you have already noted that you don’t really care for rosterbation this offseason, and that seems euphoric and depressing at the same time, like one of those sad clown paintings.
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Move to the south and find out yourself.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 27, 2010 7:47 PM PST up reply actions
I guess I should just write a general admonishment for such nonsense and plug it in whenever useful.
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I thought he was talking about Temecula.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 28, 2010 8:20 AM PST up reply actions
sister nvsfg lives in Temecula…That place is awful.
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Where is Dan Burkhart going to play ?
We're still trying to figure that out.
Closest we’ve got can be found on the few blank pages at the end of any novel.
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Soccer milfs?
I never heard that part of Temecula. I’ve heard they have some decent wine tours.
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by gallo del cielo on Dec 29, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
glad I’m not the only one who had to read that thrice.
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Took me a couple of times.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 27, 2010 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
Didn’t you ever watch Futurama?
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I’m only slightly interested in rosterbation.
BTW I got the A&E World Series box set, I could watch game 5 on a loop forever.
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Same, I got it for Christmas, and I’ve watch game 5 multiple times already. It’s so beautiful…
by WasabiTorture on Dec 27, 2010 7:45 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I had my wife DVR Game 5 while I attended the game in person. Since then, I have watched Game 5 DVR version 33 times (there is a replay counter on the box) - my 4 year old son thinks it is a live game and believes the Giants never lose.
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by Penitentiary Face on Dec 27, 2010 8:49 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
You might be right. If not, he is going to be pissed when I take him to a Spring Training game and once the Giants win, the players don't rush the mound and dog pile some wild eyed bearded pitcher who secures the final out.
How am I suppose to explain THAT to a new baseball fan that the only team the Baseball Gods smile upon wear Black and Orange? He knows no other way.
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by Penitentiary Face on Dec 28, 2010 8:06 PM PST up reply actions
Take him to a Baltimore game.
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This is exactly how I feel about Giants baseball as we move into 2011…just like the four year old son watching game 5 again and not realizing it already happened…when I watched it a second time I got so enthralled I started jumping up and down and then was like what a minute I think I’ve seen this game before and went on to sfgiants.com just to verify I didn’t dream game 5.
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This is the absolute truth...
It’s been 29 years since “The Catch”, and still… every time I see the clip of Dwight Clark leaping into the sky for the umpty-millionth time, and clawing down that ball from Montana, and then slamming it down to the turf… my fists still reflexively shoot into the air. I mean, if I’m carrying a bowl of soup, or a tray of glasses, or a baby, I literally have to either set it down, or turn away from the TV.
And for me, the Giants winning the World Series is even better.
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
Oh, I'm still interested in rosterbation
But the interest is different. Before, there was a sense of urgency about it. Okay, maybe “urgency” isn’t the most accurate word. I guess I used to feel desperate about the offseason rosterbation, hoping upon hope that the Giants made some move that I really thought would bring us a World Series, sort of like the feeling I had following the 1992 season when the new Giants ownership stunned me by signing Bonds.
But now it’s different. THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES. I have the World Series title I waited my whole life for. I’m still feeling the euphoria. I’ve watched Renteria’s homer and the final out of Game 5 approximately 53 times.
No more desperation for a World Series title before I die. I like that feeling. I will still rosterbate, but not with angst anymore.
Yes, I am an Old Blue. Now get off my lawn.
I’ve never been all that interested in rosterbation. They’re going to do what they are going to do… and nothing I want or think is going to change that. I’m not counting outfielder rosterbation fanposts this offseason; maybe I should have then we could compare the numbers. I’m too busy tracking Opening Day tickets, trying to gauge when would be a good time to swoop.
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Find any good deals yet?
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We’ve got our eyes on a couple. There’s really not been much change over the past month. SRO have dropped to ~$95 from a high [that I saw anyway] of $125. I don’t know what, if anything the uncertainty of the date of Opening Day will do to ticket prices.
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keep in mind
that they haven’t decided what they’re going to do with the 8-9,000 tickets that aren’t sold yet.
I’m guessing they might set up a “lottery” type deal where folks can enter for the right to attempt to buy tickets.
I haven’t missed opening day since Candlestick, and the fact we haven’t heard anything from the Giants re opening day tickets means that they might be working on something up their sleeve. (other than hoping we all freak out and buy season tickets, of course)
;-)
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 27, 2010 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
Well we live in Sac and will be moving farther east, Auburnish probably so there’s no way we will buy season tickets. I’ve actually contacted the Giants several times and suggested that they put together an “out-of-towner” package say 8 – 10 tickets where the games would fall Th/F/S/S or some such combination.
We’ve done the lottery thing twice, 2 years ago we ended up sitting on the left field foul pole. I don’t remember if last years tickets were StubHub or lottery. I remember Sunday’s game better than Friday’s. Mr. Merope says we’re getting good tickets for this Opening Day on account of because.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 28, 2010 7:17 AM PST up reply actions
The promised STHs first crack at addtional opening day tickets if they renewed by a certain date
I think they’ll get swallowed up there
The thong is, it happened.
I think they’ll get swallowed up there
The Giants will do anything to sell more tickets!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 28, 2010 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
Boys are icky.
AMIRITE?
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Where do you normally buy tickets?
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For the Giants it’s either the Giants website and/or lottery or StubHub.
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When I’ve compared prices, I find that StubHub is actually cheaper than the Giants website.
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The last thing we bought tickets for were the playoff games so anything seems cheap compared to that. I think we over spent on Sharks tickets because “Under $500 for great seats?!? Wow! Let’s do it!!!”
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I always use razorgator. It is private individuals selling, Good selection for slighty higher prices, but usually a good selection of seats.
http://www.razorgator.com/tickets/sports/baseball/mlb/san-francisco-giants-tickets/
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How can anybody be selling Opening Day tickets yet, especially SRO? I thought that Opening Day was not in the pre-holiday sale that the G’s ran.
by NiceGuysFinishEtc on Dec 28, 2010 9:20 AM PST up reply actions
I dunno but those SRO’s have been up there at least since Dec 1
I’d assume some of the other tickets are season ticket holders, who are only season ticket holders for the $$$. I can’t remember where it was that we were looking to buy tickets from and the seller was in Texas.
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Thanks for the scoop . . .
Feels to me like those offering the tickets are either in some risky arbitrage, counting on getting the SRO when the tickets are actually released, or they’ve got some kind of in with the Giants or tickets.com (which would be disturbing, if true). There certainly aren’t any SRO season ticket holders.
by NiceGuysFinishEtc on Dec 28, 2010 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
We’ve been tracking Opening Day tickets a little bit.
On Dec 11 there were 1202 tickets available on StubHub SRO was going for $106
On Dec 22 " " 1282 " " " " SRO was down to $95
Once the number of tickets available starts trending downwards I think we’ll swoop
Lower box tickets have been at around $400 – a bargain compared to playoff tickets.
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In defense of STHs "only in it for the money"
If selling a couple of games can finance the rest of the season’s games, it can kind of be a no brainer.
The thong is, it happened.
That’s not what I’m talking about though, I understand that. It’s people that are holding Sharks or Giants season tickets… and when you buy those tickets off of stubhub or someplace they are sent to you from Texas or Florida.
I keep saying “Well, maybe they had season tickets and somebody got transferred and they had to move.” but it’s happened a LOT. I’d guess there are “professional scalpers” using the internet to make their $$ ’cuz sitting at home saves them money on the FiLa track suits.
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This is what I've been telling all my friends:
This championship is our “OH MY GOD WE WON I’M SOBBING EVEN THOUGH I’M A GROWN MAN THIS IS THE BEST THING EVER” moment.
Each championship after this is our “FUCK YES! FUCK ALL Y’ALL BITCHES WE DA BEST” moment. With our pitching, we have a chance to make a run at a dynasty. It’ll be a real pity if we Braves it and only get one ring out of this amazing pitching staff.
I’m hungry for more. I want a dynasty. I want to look back on my early twenties and remember how amazing these Giants teams were.
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Dec 27, 2010 4:14 PM PST reply actions
I was with you until your early twenties. Young people these days!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 27, 2010 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
I would agree with you except baseball is a long season and there are so many things that can happen with injuries especially with pitchers which is our strength.
Don’t get me wrong, I have very high expectations for this team. But I would not be able to compare the Giants’ potential failure to that of the Braves. The Braves had a very clear path to multiple titles and only secured one. The Giants have a perceived higher mountain to climb with the Phillies in their league.
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by Penitentiary Face on Dec 27, 2010 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
Also,
I kind of want to offer Trevor Hoffman like 1 year $3 million….could it really be that bad? Or am I just talking myself into it?
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Dec 27, 2010 4:15 PM PST reply actions
Where would he pitch? Certainly not the ninth?
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by troymccluresf on Dec 27, 2010 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
No, definitely not the ninth. Sort of last year’s Mota role? I’d trust him in a 7th/8th role.
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Dec 27, 2010 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
Hoffman is done. Our bullpen is among the best, there is no need for experimentation.
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by Penitentiary Face on Dec 27, 2010 9:01 PM PST up reply actions
You’re talking yourself into it.
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But there’s no way he has a year as bad as last year again, even if he’s…checks…oh shit 43. Okay, well still. I suspect he averages out his two years with the Brewers in next year’s numbers. An ERA around 3, WHIP around 1.1….definitely worth a setup role. JT could talk him into a discount!
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Dec 27, 2010 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
I think his previous couple of season were smoke and mirrors
Once he lost his FB, I was amazed at how long he lasted with basically just a change, but he’s done
The thong is, it happened.
It could be that bad
You’ve already got a perfectly good Brian Wilson for the closer thing.
Doug Melvin finally came to his senses and offered Takashi Saito a contract for only one year.
On the other hand he’s still signing old dudes.
Basically, exactly what Grant said.
As the offseason has progressed, though, I’ve figured out that I’m a greedy little championship monkey, and I want more. I want Matt Cain, Tim Lincecum, and Buster Posey to have a Berra/Mantle/Ford aura surrounding them when I bore my grandkids in 50 years. I want this to be a golden age of Giants baseball. I’m pretty sure there won’t be any problems getting excited for a Wednesday night game against the Marlins in June.
Also, agree that its less important to win NOW. I don’t want any crazy deals…keep our prospects.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Baseball more than any other major professional sport has two distinct seasons. The regular season and the post season. The Giants are built for the post season.
We need to stay healthy, score enough runs, hopefully add some team speed and put pressure on the opposition defense and continue to develop our prospects. With our pitching staff and pen, we should be able to avoid any lengthy losing streaks which is what usually kills a pennant run. Also, hopefully our key position players come through and we aren’t forced to rely on a rookie to hit 3rd or 4th and carry the team like we did in 2010. Hopefully we can bring a rookie or 2 along and carve out some roles where they can develop without being thrown into the fire.
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by Penitentiary Face on Dec 27, 2010 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
Couldn’t agree more with the original comment, your reply or your signature…I think this is a building moment more than anything else and looking at what we need to do to never let Lincecum, Cain, Posey, Bumgarner and a few other names wear another uniform in their lives.
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This Championship
meant christmas shopping was the easiest it’s ever been.
And the DVDs mean I can relive it whenever I want, even if they go through a slump like last June again.
Mostly I just can’t wait til spring training, and baseball season starting up again.
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Is it spring yet?
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Pitchers and Catchers report in little over a month.
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49 Days
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by GiantMalcontent on Dec 27, 2010 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
Ehire Adrianza
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Dec 27, 2010 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Definitely a good way to earn brownie points.
Love the guy.
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As if the parrot training wasn’t enough.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 27, 2010 6:06 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t like birds. Dirty little things. I inherited one once in a classroom. A canary I think. ugh Damn thing pooped in it’s food and water almost constantly. Had to clean the cage 2-3 x a day.
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I've had a couple of birds
Parrots are indeed awesome, especially African Grays. Unbelievable smart.
The only drawback is that they’re a huge commitment since if you buy one as an adult it’s likely to outlive you.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 28, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
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Almost every day … a Spanish tweet.
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by GiantMalcontent on Dec 27, 2010 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
52 dias para Spring Training
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 27, 2010 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
it’s not Spring, but the Winter Solstice passed on the 21st. That counts for something…
it’s lighter every day until June 30th
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by giant4life83 on Dec 27, 2010 5:31 PM PST up reply actions
D-OH, I mean June 21st
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 27, 2010 5:31 PM PST up reply actions
Sustained success will have to depend on Posey, Sandoval, Belt , and other position players developing in the minors
The pitching is there to be competitive, and under control for another two years at the minimum. It’s all dependent on finding good, cheap offense from the farm system to make sure there’s a chance to win.
Posey sustaining his 2010 numbers over full seasons, Sandoval learning how to hit closer to 2009 version than 2010, and Belt making the transition to the majors and keeping it up. If some of the outfielders pan out into good hitters, that would be great as well.
Being blessed by minimal (or ‘positive’, in the case of Wellemeyer) trips to the DL like in 2010 would help as well.
OT
People keep “inviting” me to events on Facebook. Is there anyway I can block these “invitations?”
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That’s why I’m strictly a classmates.com guy.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 27, 2010 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
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That sounds really creepy.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 27, 2010 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
http://www.theonion.com/articles/classmatescom-employees-dont-have-heart-to-tell-ce,6710/
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Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
I want the Giants to build a roster like Posey takes an at-bat.
Beautiful.
For me, my motivation going forward is all about respect. We had our moment in the sun, but the Phillies still stand as the preeminent franchise in the National League going forward. Outside of the fanbase, I get the impression that people view the Giants as a second-tier franchise – one that lacks the winning pedigree of the Braves, the Cardinals, and more recently the aforementioned Phils. Heck, we aren’t even considered the best team in our division by a lot of people, Giants fans included.
I want the Giants to be a front-runner to win the division every year. I want the Giants to be the standard bearer for a well-respected NL West. I want 4 out of 5 dentists to recommend the Giants to fight plaque in those hard to reach places. Most of all, I want the Giants to prove in a much larger sample size that they can beat AL hitting.
I want to win, damn it.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
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by Solidarity on Dec 27, 2010 4:28 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I want the Giants to be considered the best team in all of sport.
Yankees? Meh.
Saints? Meh.
Lakers? Meh
Manchester United? Meh
Akebono? Meh.
Muhammed Ali? Meh.
They pale in comparison to the San Francisco Giants of the New Millennium’s second decade!
You forgot
Chestnut? Meh.
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by The Nuschlerian Candidate on Dec 30, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
I'm pretty much in this line
I tend not to worry too much about what “they” say about my teams, but I’d like for the 2010 Giants to not be written off as a fluke.
Of couse I want more Championships, but I’m really just hopin’ for a string of NL West titles and seeing where the chips fall in the post-season.
The current pitching should keep them competitive and hopefully Belt, Wheeler and Brown help them reload while we wait for the Zito/Rowand contracts to come off the books.
The thong is, it happened.
I want more championships.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOdWxf1tRmI
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Dec 27, 2010 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxRcGp0yWZc
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Where is Dan Burkhart going to play ?
C'mon People ! No one ?
I want it all; brand new socks and drawers
And i’m ballin everytime I stop and talk to y’all
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Where is Dan Burkhart going to play ?
I believe the unbelievable
And find possible what used to be impossible.
Aaron King, please pitch better.
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Before, I saw Jason Schmidt sign with the Dodgers, and I was pissed.
Now, I see Juan Uribe sign with the Dodgers, and I still love him. And would still love him even if he held a press conference for the sole purpose of telling the world that he hates me.
Basically, I feel content, something I’ve never felt before (as a sports fan).
Uribe was becoming my favorite player cuz, you know, jazz hands and all, but his butthurtedness (and of course Dodgerocity) has made me realize that Pat Burrell and Aubrey Huff is my favorite player. He always really has been.
How was he butthurt?
He’s never had a big contract in his career and his career was in doubt off-season before last. He went with the team that showed the most interest AND offered him the most money.
The thong is, it happened.
I’m having a hard time adjusting. Losing my fatalistic pessimism is like losing an old friend.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 27, 2010 4:51 PM PST reply actions
Endless, hopeless, bleak despair?
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I miss it. I prefer the Championship of course, I just feel a little out of sorts.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 27, 2010 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
Game over.
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by gallo del cielo on Dec 27, 2010 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
Totes, homie.
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Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 28, 2010 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
For how sarcastic and annoyed I was last year (pre-playoffs)...
I got to say I’m willing to be a straight talking kid after this championship :)… Hope you guys know this reference….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ha7k8KKILk
by Los Gigantes on Dec 28, 2010 8:40 PM PST up reply actions
I'm over here
don’t know why
Maybe I should watch another playoff game.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
Yeah, this is me. I mean, fatalistic pessimism wasn’t just an act, at least not for me. It was part of my very being. That kind of thing doesn’t just fall away.
by non sequitur on Dec 27, 2010 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
Goodbye darkness, my old friend…
I have a tumblr. I had some other text here but then the San Francisco Giants won the World Series
It’s like selling all of your Godspeed You Black Emperor records for a Justin Bieber concert ticket. No, wait.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
I wonder if it'll be the reverse for me
Next season, I might lose my optimistic attitude and become the house curmudgeon (sp?)
The thong is, it happened.
It’s weird winning it on the road—there’s so many people I know from our section and the ballpark that I haven’t even seen in person or shared a hug or a high five. I feel like I still have unfinished business.
Going forward…mas y mas.
Playoff baseball is fun. We should do this more often.
Definitely.
If wanting a title clinched at home is greedy, call me Ebeneezer Scrooge.
I have a tumblr. I had some other text here but then the San Francisco Giants won the World Series
Ken Rosenthal maintained just now that he thinks the Rangers are one of the top 5 teams in baseball as of right now...
When asked how he could have picked the Rangers after Cliff Lee left town for the chance to play for the Phillies again, he said, “Uh…they are still the American League Champions”.
Then someone mentioned that he didn’t pick the Giants as one of his top five teams.
Apparently the Giants don’t have enough hitting to win. The Rockies on the other hand, they’re one of his top five teams.
I love that the Giants are getting no love, and by no love I mean only Harold Reynolds picked them into the top five teams, just ahead of the Brewers.
Good – the Giants can run about mucking up all the predictions again.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 27, 2010 5:03 PM PST up reply actions
Gah
First off, I’m glad the media is writing us off again. Screwing them over later is fun.
But all the “the Giants offense sucks” comments drive me up the wall. Our offense did not suck. It was average. AVERAGE. Why is that concept so hard for people to grasp?
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Grant’s been whining about his desire for a league-average offense for years now. Well, he finally got it.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 27, 2010 5:24 PM PST up reply actions
I don't understand the fuss about not being a "Top 5" team in the eyes of the national media
The Giants certainly didn’t have one of the 5 best records in baseball last year. They barely beat out the Padres to even make the playoffs, and it’s not outrageous to think a few of their players will experience a decline next season. Even though I’m a Giants fan and envision the team winning 120 games next year and going 11-0 in the playoffs for a second world title, I can still understand how an unbiased pundit could see them not being one of the five best regular season teams next year.
Besides, didn’t we already establish that winning a playoff series (OR THREE WOOO WORLD SERIES CHAMPS!) takes a bit of good fortune and is not a true indicator of talent level or future regular season performance.
IMO
The only thing worse than rosterbation in the off-season is power ranking teams in the off-season. I just can’t take any of that stuff seriously until real games are actually played.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
Most wins in baseball (2010)
1. Phillies – 97
2. Rays – 96
3. Yankees – 95
4. Twins – 94
5. Giants – 92
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
so they certainly "did", actually
god dammit, we were a GOOD FUCKING TEAM
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Pat Burrell certainly contributed to that.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 28, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
Also clearly the best second half record. If the same team they finished the season with had been the team that broke camp in April they may have had the best record in baseball. National media can suck it. A full season of posey, burrell, and Ross added in and a hopeful sandoval revival will do wonders for that offense.
Roy Halladay just woke up in a cold sweat. He had a dream about this rodeo clown with a stick...
by The Czar on Dec 27, 2010 6:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Not quite...
Phillies: 56-30
Giants: 52-33
This is not to take anything away from the Giants’ huge run post-all-star-break, or the fact that you guys are World Champions, for that matter.
Just pointing out the numbers.
Cheers.
by Chutley's Impressed by Mac's Speed on Dec 30, 2010 4:45 AM PST up reply actions
My bad, should clarify:
July-October regular season.
by Chutley's Impressed by Mac's Speed on Dec 30, 2010 4:46 AM PST up reply actions
sorry, but I just HAVE to point out that
fuck the phillies. Cheers.
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HAHAHA
Fair enough. Happy New Year Fellas.
Pitchers and Catchers soon!
by Chutley's Impressed by Mac's Speed on Dec 31, 2010 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
Then add in 11 playoff wins
Against the best teams in baseball we went 11-4.
by hammystyle on Dec 27, 2010 6:49 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Not included in a season record, but I'll play along...
that would be
Phillies: 61-34
Giants: 63-37
Quick, someone do the math…
; )
by Chutley's Impressed by Mac's Speed on Dec 30, 2010 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
are you forgetting that
WE WON THE FUCKING WORLD SERIES?! And beat your team in the process? WTF?
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The rage returns!
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
Not at all!
If you look up, I said that I’m not taking away from your great second half run OR the fact that you guys are World Champs.
Don’t be so defensive. You guys won. You earned it. I’m not dogging the Giants. I’m just busting balls on the numbers because I don’t have a trophy this year. Ball busting is all we CAN do until the season starts.
No rage necessary. Cheers, fellas.
by Chutley's Impressed by Mac's Speed on Dec 31, 2010 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
That guy just doesn't know how to win.
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LOL
using “win total” to determine best team. What kind of archaic metrics are you using, anyway? The Red Sox aren’t even on that list.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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by natteringnabob on Dec 28, 2010 8:37 AM PST up reply actions
This is why Ken Rosenthal can watch as much baseball as he wants and he still will never "get it". Most media types, especially those who have never played the game, are mesmerized by the long ball.
They forget that most of those mammoth dingers are hit off of the Wellemeyers and the other 130 or so pitchers that probably should be toiling in the minor leagues. The Giants will do it again with pitching. Forget about the “top 5”. Focus on the NL West, get us in the playoffs again and I like our chances. That said, with the moves thus far, my forecast of the NL West would look something like this:
1) Giants 92-70
2) Dodgers 88-74
3) Rockies 87-75
4) Padres 84-78
5) D’backs 71-91
There is much that can happen between now and opening day, but this is the way itblooks like it is shaping up. For the other NL Divisions, the Phillies in the East, the Braves will challenge, and the Brewers in the Central.
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by Penitentiary Face on Dec 27, 2010 9:28 PM PST up reply actions
The NL West is a very strong division.
Nobody challenges the AL East, but there’s a big gap between those two and the rest of the league.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
It’s really been miscast as a weak division because there isn’t a perennial power, and the pennant flag seems to be a revolving door. Plus, it is argued to be a “weak hitting division” that makes gussies up the pitcher’s numbers as a result.
I can’t imagine why.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
Plus, it is argued to be a "weak hitting division" that makes gussies up the pitcher’s numbers as a result.
See, here’s a proposition that can be easily tested, simply by comparing how well the NL West hitters do against non-NL West pitchers to non-NL West hitters against non-NL West pitchers, and doing the similar comparison pitchers.
I doubt any of these have either done the research or know what that research would indicate, though.
I’m also wondering if “makes gussies up” is an error or an expression I’ve never heard or an error of an expression I’ve never heard.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
An incomplete edit on my part. Gussies up.
And sadly, the fans (and lazy journalists) that shape these opinions are not the ones who do research.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
Interesting.
Gussy up is an expression I’ve never heard/read before.
I really do learn more of the English language from this site.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
Origen obscure.
But the spirit of it is the transformation of a female person named Augusta into “Gussie,” a tartish or showy persona.
It turns out to be a fairly recent coinage . . . ’40’s or ’50’s. And absolutely American, though the nickname for Augusta goes back to the Old World.
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by gallo del cielo on Dec 27, 2010 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
I always thought that phrase seemed old timey. Did it used in westerns a lot or something?
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 28, 2010 8:27 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah,
I’d have thought older also, but there are no citations in print from the 1800’s at all. I think you’re right that it got used in Westerns a lot, so we think of it as Western or even Southern.
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by gallo del cielo on Dec 28, 2010 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
I really don’t get how the first part of that argument works. There’s no perennial power…which means the competition for the pennant flag every year is high and therefore we’re a weak division? I’m not seeing the logic…
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Also, a rapid riser like the Padres is easier for the media to undervalue because of the residual memory of how good they were the year before.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
Also, the media tends to undervalue pitching and defense. I'm not talking about the Cliff Lees and the Roy Halladays. I'm talking more about the 2-4 in the rotation, the middle relievers and the dominant LOOGY.
Bud Black and the Padres organization has done a great job of drafting and developing pitchers and have leveraged the conditions of PETCO. More than likely the media will overlook the Friars once again but this time it will be with better rationale with Adrian Gonzalez hitting between 55 and 65 doubles for the Bosox in Fenway.
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by Penitentiary Face on Dec 27, 2010 11:24 PM PST up reply actions
Gonzalez is probably gonna see his doubles go down
and his HRs go up in that little league stadium.
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THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
He has hit for a lot of power to left and left center in his career… So the Monster could be a strong factor. But with Pesky’s pole and all that, I wouldn’t blame him for changing that strategy to only pulling the ball.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
yeah, but then defenses will just put the overshift on him and his production will drop off. IMO he’s most dangerous when you know he has power to all fields- just like Posey- in the sense that defensive alignments just have to be straight-away and hits come more frequently
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by giant4life83 on Dec 28, 2010 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
Well, obviously. But the shift can’t beat a pitch that’s in the seats. Gonzales has a 40% career LD rate, and a 17.2% HR/FB rate. Given that he’ll probably be batting behind Crawford and Youkillis… he’ll be in the 4th or 5th spot, and can worry more about the XBH than a high average… Pitchers are going to have to pitch to him more than they did in San Diego, so he will have an easier time looking for something he can drive.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
I don’t see how the NL West is better than the NL East. The East won 7 more games then the NL West last year, and both divisions have pretty much stayed the same (Padres trading Gonzalez makes up for the Dodgers getting “stronger”, AL East lost Werth and added Lee).
Your logic is sound.
I drop my banner and fall in line behind you.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
You are forgetting the biggest factor…the teams in the NL West play baseball at 10:30 p.m. EST…therefore they suck…
Q. E. D.
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by gallo del cielo on Dec 27, 2010 11:42 PM PST up reply actions
I want to win
I want to build a sustained winning team. I want it to be done with intelligence and savvy avoiding “blockbuster” deals that go sour (after all these years it still hurts Horace Stoneham traded Gaylord Perry for the damaged Sam McDowell). I want the Giants farm system to produce both the next wave of players and the next wave of coaches and scouts that are real teachers and experts (not just somebody’s old buddy or a retired famous player). I want the Giants organization to have a plan other than “blockbuster.” I want the organization to watch for players of character, not just stats numbers and empty rosterbation.
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
You had me up until ‘stats numbers’.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 27, 2010 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not surprised
Many around here seem to think that people are just their numbers, and they don’t seem to understand the non-numerical aspects of management and organization building. Character counts.
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
Character is also hard to quantify, so its easier to focus on stats.
That said, I agree with you all the way through your original post.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
The difficulty of evaluating character
is one of the reasons that management is an art. All too ofter a person with great talent does not produce lasting results due to character problems, often a person with good character produces lasting results.
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
But sometimes people with good character are OVERVALUED despite limited talent. As much as work ethic and attitude are important factors in evaluating talent – I’m looking at you, Milton Bradley – you have to be careful when considering it, as we should do with all “intangibles.”
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
by Solidarity on Dec 27, 2010 6:03 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Thus the art of management. The complementary opposite is someone (too many) who has great numbers/talent, gets overvalued, and comes up a bust over the long haul. The Giants might have a couple of those on the payroll right now (wink, wink).
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
And to counter THAT example, there is of course the player who doesn’t have good character and is still an extremely talented player who is worth every penny.
See Bonds, Barry Lamar.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
And who then don’t win in the final analysis. Personal egoism does not help build a team.
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
Ehhhhhhhh… You would have a very hard time proving that Bonds’ attitude was a barrier to them winning a championship.
I would argue that a bigger barrier would be the fact that it’s really fucking hard to win a championship. Also, Jose Cruz, Jr.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
Bonds wasn’t the only egoist on some of those teams. The result was that the Giants clubhouse in those years was well known for it lack of cohesion. The players who were not of the two or three “stars” felt like spear carriers.
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
You would have a very hard time proving thatBonds’ attitudeclubhouse chemistry was a barrier to them winning a championship.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
I could see how you could say it was a barrier. Was it the defining factor? Of course not. Would it have raised the odds a few percent if everyone had gotten along like one big happy family? Probably. Intangible or not, chemistry is important. I certainly don’t think its a stretch to say it helped the current team. Now, am I saying the Giants shouldn’t have signed Bonds because of his attitude? Dear God, no.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
I said the not a. Pedantic I know, but in this case, there’s a difference. It certainly would have helped their chances, I just don’t think you can call it the deal breaker. For that matter, I’m not sure there’s one single thing, other than “shit happens” that you can define as the deal breaker.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Why would not be a deal breaker? It certainly was a defining characteristic this year.
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
See 2002. Not a deal breaker. I guess that at one point, it could have been, if they just needed one more thing going for them.
It certainly was a defining characteristic this year, not arguing that. But so was Buster Posey’s break out and Timmy being Timmy and Matt Cain pitching out of his mind and Andres Torres tearing his way through the majors for the first time ever.
So I guess…maybe it is a defining factor, but so are a million other things. And the thing with championships, is that enough of those million things have to come together at the same time. So, labeling one of them as the be all end all? Hard to do.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
You’re extrapolating, there. This is not the best team the Giants have ever fielded, and attitude might have given them that needed boost, but the 2002 and 2003 teams didn’t need chemistry to get better results. The Yankees don’t strike me as having great chemistry from year to year, and they do just fine.
If we’re going to speak esoterically, good chemistry can be a boost, but rarely is chemistry bad enough as to be a burden.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
Why do you say that? Chemistry can be THE defining item among competent teams or groups.
As to the Yankees, they have a huge payroll that no other team can afford year in and year out and their results have been frequently quite mixed.
Organizational focus does count.
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
Just because it CAN be doesn’t mean it objectively IS. You’re using an example as an unassailable truth. That’s extrapolation.
As for the Yankees, they still have 27 World Championships, and many of those came before the free agent era and the massive expansion of payroll.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
Extrapolation is different from your example how?
The Yankees have had much more money for payroll since the 1920s. Their present sweetheart deal whereby they have their media outlet outside the major league revenue sharing has certainly exacerbated the problem, but it’s not new. One of the reasons the Giants and Dodgers moved in the 50s was from that very problem, they couldn’t complete in that media market.
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
It’s a counterpoint. If I said, “The Yankees buys championships; money is all you need to win championships,” that would be extrapolation.
My point, rather, is that chemistry is in no way a necessity to win a championship. This isn’t “Damn Yankees.” A can-do attitude won’t deliver another trophy for the Giants. Can chemistry help? Absolutely. Can chemistry hurt? Sure. Is it a linchpin? Probably not.
Here is my foolproof formula for winning the World Series: Assemble the best collection of players you can, stay healthy, and then get lucky. The best teams still lose 40% of the time.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
But i want the giants to win
and they have a limited budget so I think the Giants’ organization needs to do more than spend money on player’s past numbers. Which to my eye the are doing.
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
Limited budget? The budget will probably touch $120 million this season. We are in the top third of payrolls, and have been in the top half for a good long while now. We don’t lack for resources.
They do more than rely on numbers. That’s what scouts are for.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
It is alluring to try and compare different Giant teams. Is the 2002 team betterr than 2003? How would either compare to 1989? Or how about the World Champions of 2010?
It is difficult to assess. Times change. In 2010, we saw the year of the pitcher and the Giants had the best pitching staff that I have ever seen top to bottom. In 2002, the Giants seemingly scored runs with ease. Barry was an instant rally when he stepped into the batters box. What would a fantasy edition of the Giants look like with the 2010 staff combined with the 2002/2003 every day lineup? Probably somewhere around 115 wins or so. I attribute the Giants shortfalls of previous years less to a lack of chemistry and more to the nature of post season baseball being geared to pitching.
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by Penitentiary Face on Dec 27, 2010 9:40 PM PST up reply actions
The idea of teaming up this staff with Barry Bonds (and co.) is drool worthy.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Admittedly, the pitching would not be as good because the defense would likely be worse.
Still, drool.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
Still, drool.
This.
Heh, now I’m imagining things like Timmy’s performance in Atlanta with Bonds in the line-up. You wouldn’t even need defense at that point…
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Although, Bonds presence would have done little to affect the performance of Texas’ bullpen.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
Holland would have been so terrified after facing Bonds that he would have walked the next 3 batters as well…oh, wait…
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
HOLLAND DAZED WITH TITLE AT STAKE
If I controlled a media outlet, I totally would have made that at least a sub-headline.
I have a tumblr. I had some other text here but then the San Francisco Giants won the World Series
LOL
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You bring up an interesting point regarding the comparison of defense. If you compared position by position do you believe that the 2010 World Champions edition would be THAT much better than the 2002/2003 edition of the Giants?
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by Penitentiary Face on Dec 27, 2010 11:28 PM PST up reply actions
Here is what I have, at least at the end of each season 2002/2010:
Catcher: Santiago/Posey
First Base: Snow/Huff
Second Base: Kent/Mole
Third Base: Bell/Uribe
SS: Aurilia/Renteria
LF: Bonds/Burrell
CF: Lofton/Torres
RF: Sanders/Ross
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by Penitentiary Face on Dec 27, 2010 11:32 PM PST up reply actions
Marginal improvements in most cases, but I see 2B and the outfield as meaningfully better for the 2010 team.
Also, note that I didn’t say MUCH worse… just worse.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
I . . . what?
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 27, 2010 11:50 PM PST up reply actions
I generally agree. Neither infield was great. As much as Mole is better than Kent, Snow is better than Huff. Also, I would agree with your outfield assessment , with the exception that I believe Bonds was significantly better than Burrell defensively.
Many critics would hammer Barry for his defense, but even in 2002, he could still cover some ground, he just always had a marginal (at best) arm. Sometimes a defense looks less than spectacular when the opposition is hitting rockets all over the field. I don’t think we would confuse the 2010 starting rotation with Livan, Ortiz, Schmidt, Woody & Ryan Jensen. Gutsy performers in their own rights, but let’s face it, the 2002 Giants had to score some effin’ runs in order to compete. Bottom line, team chemistry can be important for a championship run, but if I could trade chemistry for the 2010 Giants rotation AND Bonds bat in the middle of the lineup, I would sellout “chemistry” before the sun comes up.
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by Penitentiary Face on Dec 27, 2010 11:54 PM PST up reply actions
I meant the outfield defense as a whole. I would not argue that Bonds was still a competent defender in 2002.
I’d hate to lean on single season UZR in this instance, so to give a better idea I’m going to look at his UZR in 2002 through 2006. I’d go a couple years to either side, but the data only goes as far back as 2002 to begin with.
Bonds’ UZR in 2002 was 1.6, which seemed to be a consistent neighborhood figure through 2006. The exception is 2003, where he UZR was a curious 12.6, which only serves to highlight how fluky a stat it can be.
Burrell, on the other hand, was rated at 4.9 for the Giants in 2010, but his numbers in Philidelphia were dramatically different, ranging from -3.1 to -20.8(!) between 2005 and 2008.
So, it is hard to say which player is the better defender, but UZR would at least suggest that Burrell was not a liability in LF. I also give bonus points to the outfield corners for the 2010 team for the late inning Ross-Schierholtz-Burrell rotation, which usually added significant value on defense for 2-3 innings a night.
No question that the 2002 pitching was no amazing, and was boosted up by a somewhat ridiculous offense.
Here’s a taste of nostalgia for you… In 2002, the Giants his 198 homers… and still finished SECOND in the National League. Also, in 2002 BLB was worth 13.0 WAR. Zuh?!
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
Thanks for the research. Admittedly, I pull a "Joe Morgan" with regularity and rely upon what I remember seeing.
I don’t remember too many times Pat misplaying balls hit to left. It just felt like with Panda or Uribe at 3rd and Rent at SS, or even Uribe at SS, that a 5 hopper through the left side might have a chance to roll to the wall. I never saw that happen, just would lay awake in my bed and stare at the ceiling worrying that I may see that actually occur.
"I always knew I was going to be thrown at. I was old-school, so I didn't care, as long as they hit me from the neck down.'' Hac-Man One Flap down Jeffrey Leonard
by Penitentiary Face on Dec 28, 2010 12:11 AM PST up reply actions
I appreciated Pat’s play in left field. He was far from perfect, but he never dogged it, he had decent hands on anything he could reach in the air, and he had a strong enough arm to help rope in an assist or three. If I had one major complaint, it’s that he pulled up short on a lot of low liners, but if he didn’t feel comfortable diving, then I won’t hold it against him.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
BLB is now herein known as "13 WAR". That is freakin' ridiculous.
"I always knew I was going to be thrown at. I was old-school, so I didn't care, as long as they hit me from the neck down.'' Hac-Man One Flap down Jeffrey Leonard
by Penitentiary Face on Dec 28, 2010 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
Now THAT is some serious rosterbating...
[drooooool]
I have a tumblr. I had some other text here but then the San Francisco Giants won the World Series
Chemistry is not a circle jerk. It is a group dynamic that facilitates each player’s ability to do their work, be prepared for gametime and produce to their talent level. It’s not about liking each other and I propose that the Bonds era teams did not have bad chemistry.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 27, 2010 7:13 PM PST up reply actions
I could go with this. I’m certainly not going to claim intimate knowledge of clubhouse workings during the Bonds era. But at this point I think we’re just discussing the principle of things anyways.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Interesting proposal
Fistfights in the clubhouse, special treatment for one or two players, total media focus on one of two people. Hmmm.
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And yet they went wire to wire in 2003; it was one of the 10 most dominating teams of the decade. What’s your point?
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
That the Giants didn't win with the Big Deal
and will not be able to have many more “Big Deals” and instead have to win with team focus and organizational skills and development that seem to be ignored by many fans.
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
I’ll add “elbow grease” to Murph’s shopping list for the offseason.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
I don’t think anyone’s disagreeing with this. The only thing people are saying is that chemistry is only part of the equation. It might be an important part, but a lot of other things have to happen to. Chemistry MIGHT make or break a team, but so might a lot of other things.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
So Jose Cruz dropping a crucial fly ball
Happened because he didn’t like his team-mates? He dropped that ball because Barry pissed him off? Once the play-offs happen, sample sizes get so small that it really is about individual success and failure. Errors happen. Great plays happen. Sure chemistry helps quite a bit during the regular season and probably some during the playoffs. Is it more important than making sure your pitchers know how to throw strikes (see Holland, Derek)? I’m not so sure of that.
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The single case
means little, it would be the cumulative effect of many efforts. That when team chemistry and the efforts of many over time have an effect.
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
Here's the deal...
“Chemistry” is important. It was certainly important this year. Player after player talked about how they were pulling for each other, about how they wanted to win for each other. Personally, I think its part of what makes our pitching staff so valuable. They are all very good on their own. But the fact that so many of them have “grown up together” in the majors might have made them even better than they would have been otherwise. Its been pretty clear from interviews and whatnot that they work together a lot, they feed off each other.
So, sure, when a team wins, part of that can be attributed to chemistry.
But…its kinda like “desire”. It has to be based on skill, talent, and numbers. It doesn’t matter how good the chemistry was for the Pirates this year…they weren’t going to win any championships.
And like “desire,” everyone has it. Or nearly everyone. The Rangers supposedly had “chemistry”. Did they win? No. What about the Braves trying to win for Bobby Cox before he retired?
So, chemistry might help. But the foundation already has to be there first.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Your last clause is quite important
“The efforts of many over time have an effect.”
Thank you for making my point for me. Over time. I acknowledged that chemistry might be quite important in a team making it to the playoffs. However, playoff wins often come down to one or two plays. Dave Roberts stealing a base. Cody Ross hitting a homer. Luis Gonzalez lucking into a basehit. There just isn’t time for small effects to truly build up. A lapse of concentration is essentially random and the essentially random has huge implications in a short series. I’m saying that chance – such as Ian Kinsler’s flyball bouncing perfectly off the top of the wall – plays a much larger role in the playoffs than you’re willing to concede.
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When the A’s won three straight World Series in the 70s (and 5 straight playoff appearances), they had Reggie Jackson hogging the media spotlight and getting into fights with teammates. Why didn’t clubhouse chemistry matter then?
Reggie then went to the Yankees, where he feuded openly with Billy Martin and had a strained relationship with fan-favorite Thurman Munson. Yet the Yanks won 2 titles with Reggie and he became Mr. October. So much for “chemistry.”
Chemistry is the thing you lack when you don’t win. If you win, you are “proven” to have great chemistry. It’s not something you can really build a roster on.
I think this is an important point
maybe it isn’t so much that chemistry is unimportant but that you never know what will lead to good chemistry. (Though I still suspect that winning is the most important element to good chemistry).
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
The “Bonds never won a championship” thing bugs me. Bullpen holds a 5-0 lead and Bonds has his championship and is MVP of the series. How is that his fault?
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Dec 27, 2010 7:03 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 7 recs
The true statement is that the Giants didn’t win a championship during those years. Think about that a second. That situation doesn’t seem to have been set up for the team.
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
The ‘62 Giants also didn’t win the championship.
Mays, McCovey, Marichal, Cepeda, and Perry never got their championship. What does that say about them? Maybe if they wanted it more, McCovey’s line drive would have gone six feet higher.
I’m sorry, but using an esoteric, floaty concept like chemistry to justify the bottom line is kind of asinine.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
Okay…how much would your thoughts on the matter change if the Giants had won the World Series in 2002. Because they arguably SHOULD have, and they certainly COULD have. And whether they did or didn’t has little or nothing to do with team chemistry or Barry Bonds. So, if 2002 had turned out to be a “Bonds era championship”, would there still be an argument for “the Giants didn’t win because they weren’t a ‘team’”?
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
That's unknowable
They didn’t win. “Should” is another futile word.
There’s too much Calvinism and "if ‘A’ then ‘B’ " thinking in the attitude that the assembly of arithmetic numbers will provide an exact answer for results from an assemblage of humans, especially if they are to act in concert to achieve a result.
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
Nothing is exact in baseball. But the proper assembly of numbers does demonstrably improve your chances of winning.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
Certainly
and the artful use of them and other factors improves them much more as does good management and long term direction.
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
I think you’re really overstating the value of intangibles. I don’t know if Owlcroft prowls these threads in the offseason, but I’m sure he’d love to share a word or three on statistics, expectancy, and the importance (or lack thereof) of chemistry.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
They are only intagible to
the stat people who are still unable to quantify defense beyond gross stats. In business the quantifying of these intangibles is done in money. The trap in business is that the quantifying is often done over too small a period and there’s no recognition of long term success. In business many are unable to see past that quarter’s or year’s profits. thus the long term success of an operation is left dangling.
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
A not-so-wise man once said, “Derek Jeter’s impact cannot be overstated.”
Once again, that’s why teams have scouts. Player scouting and player development is what builds a clubhouse in the first place; things like “great clubhouse guy” are tags applied to certain players, and the Giants seem to heed those reputations just fine, or they would at least have you think so for all the posturing they do about it after every signing.
We can opine all we want about the value of chemistry, but the biggest trap you can fall into is trying to put a value on intangibles. That’s how Jeter winds up making $15 million a year, and valuable players like Aubrey Huff get left for dead.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
Exactly
Which is why the Giants have been able to rebuild in recent times once that policy was firmly stated and the organization of the minor leagues and scouting was firmly taken in hand. Those things are intangibles in the stat columns, as is the recent growth of the giants minor league managing corps and scouting. In the last few years the Giants have done the wise thing in those positions and sought to have upcoming replacements ready to fill spots. They have promoted from within after success at lower levels and demonstrated teaching ability. Check out Roberto Kelly for only one example.
Aubrey has the ring. From the intangibles. Or do you think only money counts?
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
Congratulations, you’ve completely missed my point about valuing intangibles.
And I hate to break it to you, but promoting from within for coaching positions is what pretty much every major league team does. It doesn’t make us unique.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
So you think only stats count?
as to the scouts and such I’ve seen a lot of them shift around and without much proven performance.
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
When you’re done badgering me, let me know.
This might surprise you, but Aubrey did not have a great reputation of “intangibles” before coming to the Giants. In fact, it could be argued that he was only a great clubhouse guy because he was on a winning team for the first time in his career. He was also our THIRD choice for our starting first baseman, after Nick Johnson and Adam Laroche, guys who don’t have strong reputations as clubhouse leaders either.
Aubrey was not signed for his intangibles, but his production for what they paid him was one of the best deals in baseball last year. Meanwhile, the Yankees are paying $15 million a year because Jeter following the worst season of his career, because of his “importance” to the Yankees.
One is a good deal. One is not. And the good deal is the one that was a calculated gamble which didn’t lean on sentimental gobbledygook as a foundation.
Stats are the foundation. Character is the icing. “Gamers” and “clubhouse guys” won’t win you a championship if they don’t have the numbers to back it up.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
Good point on the Huff assessment. And we could be proven this year that he isn't worth what we are paying him.
But at least every time I look at him stand in the batters box, even if he has struck out three times in a row, I will still think of him as the guy who played first base for the 2010 WORLD CHAMPION GIANTS. And that makes me forget much of the previous years futility.
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by Penitentiary Face on Dec 27, 2010 11:38 PM PST up reply actions
Badgering?
Asking questions is badgering?
In the “calculated gamble” what was being calculated upon? Sabean has said that Huff showed leadership from the beginning.
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
Or do you think only money counts?
So you think only stats count?
badger v. (trans.) – ask (someone) repeatedly and annoyingly for something; pester
Yes, badgering.
The calculated gamble would be the one where they didn’t know what kind of product they would get in Huff. The 2008 Silver Slugger version, the 2009 complete bust version, or somewhere in between. His contract bespeaks his perceived value by the league at the time.
He did not show leadership when his butt was on the couch, waiting for the phone to ring.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
Final note on Huff: and why was his butt on the couch without a contract in January?
Because he was perceived as an American League player who was limited defensively. (combined with some previous seasons of marginal performance). Let’s face it, every team that needed a First Baseman had him listed behind LaRoche and Nick Johnson (among others). Fortunately, Huff made the most out of his situation and had the good fortune of playing on a team that had the best pitching staff I can remember ever – top to bottom. I still have visions of the routine ground ball against the Phillies ricocheting off of his knee which led to two runs – I can’t remember which game it was, but if we would have lost, we may be mentioning Huff’s name in the same sentence as Cruz Jr.
"I always knew I was going to be thrown at. I was old-school, so I didn't care, as long as they hit me from the neck down.'' Hac-Man One Flap down Jeffrey Leonard
by Penitentiary Face on Dec 28, 2010 12:03 AM PST up reply actions
None of which you replied to
And went to ad hominem attack instead.
Leadership on the couch, ah yes.
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
You’re going to play the ad hominem card in a discussion where you’re defending intangibles?
Surely you can’t be serious.
And I didn’t reply to your questions because they were reductionist to the point of being irrelevant.
To put it simply: Chemistry is nice, but it only gets you so far. This has been said multiple times. If you boil that down to a different argument entirely, like “only stats matter,” or “only money matters,” that’s not my fault.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
No prowler, he.
But mrs. owlcroft sometimes calls his attention to things, and he answers using her account.
A word or three? Sure: only one is needful. Bullshit.
Na + Cl = NaCl – now that’s chemistry.
Belated happy holidays to all, and a Happy New Year.
by mrs. owlcroft on Dec 27, 2010 11:49 PM PST up reply actions
/badgers mrs. owlcroft about “needful.”
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by gallo del cielo on Dec 27, 2010 11:59 PM PST up reply actions
That would be an unbelievably explosive reaction. Plus, chlorine is diatomic, so it should actually be Na + 1/2 Cl2 → NaCl.
/nerd
But that’s unbalanced! We only use whole moles here, my good sir!
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Shoot, not unbalanced (my bad), but still not proper.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
No
It’s improper to use fractions of molecules. That doesn’t mean it’s not done in casual calculations, but it’s still not proper. The most correct way to write that reaction (not knowing the states of the chemicals) would be:
2 Na + Cl2 = 2 NaCl
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Well
I was just giving you a hard time initially. I don’t really care either way.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
YOURE ALL WRONG
am i doing it wrong?
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by giant4life83 on Dec 28, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, Bonds did everything in his power in that series to help win it.
He put up incredible numbers for the WS.
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I didn't choose to be a Giants fan, I was born into it. November 1, 2010 World Champions.
As the team left the stadium after Game 7,
a reporter asked Bonds about losing the Series. He said, “I can’t pitch, man”. He certainly did everything else that year, including standing up for a teammate that Kent was harassing in the dugout. The front office begged Bonds for years to be a team leader and he always said he wanted to lead on the field, by example and the one time he “leads” by defending a player he gets dumped on.
Pardon the rant. Yes, the G’s lost that WS, but it sure wasn’t Bonds’ fault.
by mrs. owlcroft on Dec 27, 2010 9:53 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
It's the only thing.
According to Eric Holder, Giants Baseball is NOT torture. OK, it is, but followed by a big bowl of ice cream.
Tim Lincecum: He's a biracial angel.
The complementary opposite is someone (too many) who has great numbers/talent, gets overvalued, and comes up a bust over the long haul. The Giants might have a couple of those on the payroll right now (wink, wink).
If you are referring to Zito and Rowand, this is incorrect. Both were players whom numbers valued as much worse than the contracts they received. To say they faltered because of character issues is revisionist history.
The Zito and Rowand contracts were failures because the Giants failed in their analysis of the numbers.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
This is true. But while the managers know the players personally, the fans don’t. So as a fan, its hard to justify an argument that goes “I want to sign him because he’s a good guy”. So, stats, quite possibly, get overvalued on the fan side of things. Is it entirely fair? No. But it makes sense that it happens.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
is one of the reasons that management is an art. All too ofter a person with great talent does not produce lasting results due to character problems, often a person with good character produces lasting results.
SHHH. They’re all still waiting for Fred Lewis to make us miss him.
by BustaTheRippa on Dec 29, 2010 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
I was mostly just reacting to the redundancy of the phrase ‘stats numbers’ since stats are of course numbers, but thanks for projecting.
Personally, I’ve been on both sides of this argument – I’m no sabr evangelist and have been flamed for not wanting ‘clubhouse cancer’ guys despite their talent (I’m looking at you, Milton Bradley).
Maybe you should consider that many around here actually do understand non-numerical aspects of management and still prefer to just have the most talented team on the field. How much effort have you put into understand statistically based arguments?
Like so many other things in life, I think that wisdom lies in understanding and working with the dynamic balance of opposites – understanding that the strawhats and the spreadsheet clutchers both have valid points of view and are worth listening to.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 27, 2010 5:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Fair enough
The Giants have a lot of experience with talented clubhouse cancers, and with handcuffing big deals.
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I’m not surprised
Maybe he was referring to the fact that it was your first grammatical error of the passage ;)
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I got Chopped
good thing I was out doing errands or I would have been in the last thread forever.
Now it’s time for the best football game of the year (so far): Saints v Falcons
Who’s picking who? I pick Saints by 9
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We’re rooting for a total of 51 points or more. That’s the tie breaker in the Mr’s pick’em dealie.
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i think it’s gonna turn into a shootout. and you DO NOT want to get into a shootout with Brees & Co.
so your spread of 51 may well go over and you can parlay that into a million bucks
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by giant4life83 on Dec 27, 2010 5:33 PM PST up reply actions
for reference, a million bucks can buy you a pat Burrell. Your very own Pat Burrell
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by giant4life83 on Dec 27, 2010 5:34 PM PST up reply actions
small print:
*must be able to provide a WS Championship prior to purchase.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 27, 2010 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
The above predicitions . . .
would be, like, wrong.
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by gallo del cielo on Dec 28, 2010 12:15 AM PST up reply actions
I’m rooting for the Saints. I had a gf who had moved out here after Katrina, so I know what the Saints mean to the city, and to her. I’ve been to Nawlins, and needless to say, they celebrated the Super Bowl win for months and months.
damn, TD Falcons
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by giant4life83 on Dec 27, 2010 8:00 PM PST up reply actions
We were just rooting for the points, but it doesn’t look like that’s going to happen.
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both defenses really stepped up- i thought the offenses would wipe them out
and Fuck, Brees and those last-ditch-INTs are killing me
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by giant4life83 on Dec 27, 2010 8:08 PM PST up reply actions
I think the way my comments have taken a total nosedive here since the end of the season kind of says it all...
It’s not that I’m not interested, it’s that it’s not really necessary to live and die with every decision now. Miguel Tejada is starting every day at SS? Who cares! For the rest of my life I can watch and remember the 2010 Giants and how special that whole run was. That’s something I’ll never take for granted and never forget.
Obviously I want them to keep doing well, and more championships would be more than I could have ever dreamed of, but if we’re honest we all know that another championship will never mean as much as 2010 did. That’s the kind of thing you bore your grandkids with.
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by bondslegend on Dec 27, 2010 5:58 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Needs moar RAGE
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 27, 2010 6:02 PM PST up reply actions
to the end of their days...
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
by slackersphere17 on Dec 27, 2010 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
You lost your rage? WHAT HATH WE WROUGHT?
someone with more free time than sense.
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Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
I still have mine
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Apparently Helton’s on CarGo’s ass for being placed on certain laurels, or somesuch.
This pleases me.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
Its also good to know that Helton speaks like an 1850's western fronteir townsperson.
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no more rage?
so that would mean the Giants winning the World Series made you happy?
::sniff sniff:: if it can change just one person, it was all worth it
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 27, 2010 6:48 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, it really did
honestly, when I’m upset I can just remember “hey, my team won a goddamn world championship that one time, and that was awesome!”.
When the 49ers are botching another coach/Gm search and destined for 20 more years of failure, I can remember “hey, I watched edgar renteria hit a 3 run home run and then nearly collapsed my apartment building jumping around. That was awesome!!”
Happy indeed.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, WORLD CHAMPION SAN FRANCISCO GIANT
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
11/1/10
well... i wouldn't know since i haven't been here much since before the playoffs
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
NO MORE PLAY?
yeah, if you get this, you are a fucking nerd like me
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
I only have one child
but this is like hearing other parents talk about how everyone is paranoid about their first kid and progressively less paranoid for every kid thereafter…
So you admit to being paranoid?
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 28, 2010 8:35 AM PST up reply actions
NEEDZ MOAR CAPS LOCK
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
I want the Giants wo win it at Mays Field
and take the victory lap.
“Act like you been there before.”
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
OT - cleaning out my desk
Just found a ticket stub for a game in 2006 at Oakland. Wow, that seems like a long time ago. Vizquel? Matheny? Durham? First and only time I’ve been to the Coliseum. We won. And Bonds tied Ruth’s home run record in that game. Good times.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
I’m not in favor of rosterbating to Eli Whiteside or the other garden variety backup catchers available.
"Its not so much me as it is Roenick, hes good" - Vince Vaughn
"Its not so much Kontos as it is me, I'm good." - Angryjay93
Some would. :)
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
/Posey catches 162 games
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 28, 2010 8:41 AM PST up reply actions
/A fully grown Posey bursts forth from each knee and both immediately hit game winning grand slams
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 28, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
He catches
No Hitters and hits Grand Slams you kno.
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I didn't choose to be a Giants fan, I was born into it. November 1, 2010 World Champions.
but what has he done for us lately?
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Dude wins World Championships.
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There hasn’t been enough Giants offseason activity for me to fully assess how my feelings towards Giants baseball has changed. Get back to me when Adrian Beltre signs for 5 years and $75M.
"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat
Yeah, that’s the thing to me. I used to count the days until it was fourteen days after the World Series, and the Giants could start signing free agents. Now they’re the champs and I didn’t mind a bit if they didn’t make a single change.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Dec 27, 2010 7:06 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I am still basking in the glow of the WS win to worry about how I will feel next season.
That being said, I do miss live baseball. But these WS dvds will have to hold me over.
Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.
I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog
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It's never enough...
…to just win one. When it comes to championships, you have to be greedy about it. That’s the whole point of being a sports fan, follow them every inch of the the way and at the end, you’ll either be overjoyed or get your heart broken.
I follow three sports teams (Giants & 49ers, and the Lakers), 2/3 of them won it all this year, but I’m still mad about the Niners’ season.
Well... i am still amazed and in shock over what happened with them winning
i wont get over it until the start of the season, and there’s a game at ATT
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Personally I’m over baseball and have moved on to rip-n-strip wrestling.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
I bet that makes for an interesting fantasy league.
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Fantasy?
I barely knew he!
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 27, 2010 10:43 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think radio coverage does a good job in this case. No professional slight intended.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 28, 2010 8:43 AM PST up reply actions
I meant I’m listening to Jim’s suggestion. But never you mind.
The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!
D'aww
I miss our baseball team.
http://ksimonian.com/Blog/2010/10/25/san-francisco-giants-team-photo-day-august-24th-2010/
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
Lol Freddy
I miss them too.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
OMG SOMETHING'S WRONG WITH TIM LINCECUM'S WRIST???
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on Dec 28, 2010 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
GIANTS BLOG LINKS LINCECUM TO WRIST INJURY
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"HE WILL NEVER PLAY COMPETITIVE XBOX AGAIN."
The injury will not affect his baseball pursuits.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on Dec 28, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
I want sustained excellence
I was starving on no championships island with the Cubs, Indians, and Rangers. The 2010 World Series was the first meal after being rescued where I just ate everything in sight and it was the best meal I had ever eaten cuz I hadn’t eaten in so long.
Now I want delicious gourmet meals. I want a seat at the finest restaurant in town with the Yankees, Red Sox, and Phillies
Taco truck burritos
Delicious
Aaron King, please pitch better.
McC Wiki - for all you newcomers out there.
I want more.
I appreciate the Giants. For twenty two years I followed them game by game and I was finally rewarded, but I am only twenty two years old. If they never win a championship again in my lifetime I can always say I got to see the 2010 Giants. I don’t know how long I’ll live, but the thought of never experiencing this again is a very painful thing. The joy I experienced was unparalleled and the next championship(if there is one) may not compare to the first, but I want to see more, several more in fact.
So, since Buster Posey isn't doing anything...
…can he play goalie for Sharks for the next 40 some-odd days?
Niners quarterback.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on Dec 27, 2010 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
fail
Last name not Smith.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 28, 2010 8:43 AM PST up reply actions
Tim Lincecum = Patti Smith = new 9ers QB
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on Dec 28, 2010 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
I'm just so happy.
It might be a while before losses sting again.
Life is not about this Dirty Sanchez
Since the Niners plan to suck for the foreseeable future
I would like the Giants to win 3 more WS in the next ten years and 4 in the next 14 years…that’s all
LOL, let's start this again! :)
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Haha
We both agree that him figuring out he needs to just hire a GM and let that GM do his thing is positive.
We just disagree on the way he carries himself.
Can we also agree that he has a terrible haircut and a ridiculous looking beard?
He’s balding it looks like! But man, dude’s got to shave the FAILBEARD… i think i’m a little biased because i have some connections with Jed through one of my frat brothers at Miami Ohio… dude got me free niner stuff too :D
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
The FAILBEARD is awful
It’s like. Dude, I know you’re young and trying to give off an aura of authority, but a beard like that is not the right way to go.
Also, not a fan of 3 piece suits.
You guys arguing about the presser has almost got me curious enough to watch it. Almost.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 28, 2010 8:37 AM PST up reply actions
Don't forget the strike!
No football next year, hopefully, baseball can capitalize on that and win back some fans.
Bankrupting ESPN at the same time would be awesome.
OT: wow, the news about Wittels, the guy who had that hitting streak at FIU
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
I just read that
Insane. I wonder if it’s true or not.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
dude had a little too much fun in the Bahamas...
ya know, one of the questions i brought up in my womens studies class this semester was “what defines rape” because everybody has their own interpretation of it
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Can we really not have a discussion about this here?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Also can you rethink your wording?
Referring to potential rape allegations as having “a little too much fun” is kind of… distasteful.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
yea, my bad on that one, pretty sour taste of words on my part
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
all i’m gonna say, is that i learned a TON about women to be honest, and how they interpret different things, pretty interesting actually. The whole basis of the class was interesting, no tests, just papers and discussion, loved it
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Well, that’s good.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
for sure, i thought it was pretty neat because it was a class they were experimenting with to see if it’d be successful, and it was. So it’ll be around next semester too, although i was one of like 4 guys in a class of 35
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
The allegations seem kind of shady
I want more info before I make any decisions.
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yea… did the guy have any intentions on making it into the majors or what? I mean, did he have a high stock at all?
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
I dunno about his potential in the majors
I know he has the second longest NCAA hitting streak. Still active as well.
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THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
haha, yea, i mean, it’s true. It’s cool the guy has a streak, but that doesnt equate to a potential future
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
The NCAA is going to bring the hammer down… as soon as he’s had the opportunity to play out his streak.
Instilling integrity in our young athletes!
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
I cannot wait until he is suspended for 10 games in the 2013 season.
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I miss baseball
I don’t care about the offseason as much as I probably should. It’s kinda sad, only in that I’m not paying as close attention to baseball as I would have in years past. I suppose my family and friends might like it, but they don’t realize that they’ll fall right back down into the chasm of miniscule importance in March.
The satisfaction of a championship is so much more fleeting than I had hoped it would be. My fantasies of year long happiness haven’t played out as planned.
Hedonic treadmill indeed. But the treadmill sure feels easier on the feet when it’s lined with World Series in 5.
The future? I’m still not entirely convinced the world didn’t end on November 1st.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Dec 28, 2010 1:03 AM PST reply actions
Watch for the Langoliers…
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Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on Dec 28, 2010 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
Why Rosterbate?
We have almost the entire team from a championship year. We resigned Huff before the free agent caps exploded. Burrell decided he wanted to play for fun. We have a new rookie to look forward to, and one of last years key acquisitions (Derosa) that might make some impact also. Our core stars are locked up for a while.
Besides, we got beard.
It's better to be lucky than good.
I know I am in a small minority here, but my least favorite thing about the 2010 team is those damn, terrible beards. It would be late in the game in a high pressure situation and I would just have to laugh at how bad Romo and Wilson look with those things.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 28, 2010 8:42 AM PST up reply actions
He meant Daniel Beard
founder of the Sons of Daniel Boone, which later merged with the Boy Scouts of America.
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Romo’s was terrible. Wilson’s is hilarious. Considering all the off shoots already, I don’t think the beards are going anywhere.
It's better to be lucky than good.
by Myemail21479 on Dec 28, 2010 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
Sadly, I think you are correct.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 28, 2010 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
Romos beard looked ridiculous when he was blowing games left and right in the playoffs. Fear the Beard?
he’s lucky the offense picked him up and he didnt become scapegoat #1 for why the Giants didn’t get past the NLDS
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 28, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
Don’t think of them as beards, think of them as Yankee-chasers.
Playoff baseball is fun. We should do this more often.
They DO look like Confederate generals in them
at the end of the day it's all about kicking the tires
by duke_diligence on Dec 28, 2010 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
I would like a dynasty too...
…but I always said that, if necessary, I would settle for just one WS championship in the end, and if the baseball gods hold me to that, I’m prepared to fulfill my end of the bargain.
So I expect to enjoy baseball in general and Giants baseball in particular a little more for its own sake. I expect to be less intense and less critical of minor snafus on the part of the players and the front office. I don’t expect the next post-season series or even the next race for the post-season or even the next Dodger game to be a life-and-death affair with me anymore.
And indeed, it may very well be that now that the Big Moment has happened, the Giants front office can indeed relax and start thinking a little more long-term.
My biggest question to myself: How do I handle the next Fresno Grizzlies game?
I love the Grizzlies, not only because they’re the local minor league team but because they were a very critical part of the birth process of the 2010 World Champions. So many Giants players made Fresno their port of last call before they became part of The Team.
All those years of sitting in Chukchansi Park on sweltering summer nights — with a passing train whistling in the background and a man in a cartoonish grizzlie bear outfit clapping his paws on the first base dugout — cheering for the Todd Lindens and the John Bowkers and the Jesus Guzmans and the Noah Lowrys…
Feeling that AAA baseball isn’t quite the Show that MLB is but that at least, it was still wholesome baseball entertainment and that, at least, the Grizzlies would never break my heart. Feeling in my heart of hearts that the SF Giants would never win a World Series in my lifetime — and then murmuring to myself, “Well, but of course, if they ever did, Cain and Lincecum might be in that rotation”…
It all paid off, I guess, not with a PCL championship but with the next best thing. Ha ha ha. No, but seriously…
I knew that Brian Wilson would be the Giants closer some day but never really guessed from his results in Fresno that he would be one of MLB’s elite closers. Anyway…
My question to myself is will the OUTCOME of a Grizzlies game ever seem quite as important to me again? Will the OUTCOME of the annual race against the evil Sacramento River Cats ever seem quite as important to me again?
When Brock Bonds comes up in the bottom of the ninth inning of a one-run game with two outs and the bases loaded, is it really going to continue to matter to me ALL THAT MUCH whether or not he gets the job done?
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Dec 28, 2010 3:02 AM PST reply actions
Winning the World Series was like losing my virginity...
Sure glad that happened, finally! Then I looked for a more quality longer term relationship. Will you marry me Giants and let us spend the rest of our lives in bliss?
Yea, the problem with sex is that you end up wanting more…
"If all the people love each other, the whole world would be a better place to live" - Johnny (Tommy Wiseau) from the film masterpiece, "The Room"
by Tommy Wiseau is a Giants Fan on Dec 28, 2010 8:18 AM PST up reply actions
Or exchanging pained, awkward glances with the assistant gym coach for the rest of the semester.
Not that it happened to me! Ha…ha.
Ha.
The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!
I think Jim has the better gym teacher story.
Sorry, Letter.
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I haven’t heard it, but I’ll take your word for it.
The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!
It involved Fruitvale BART, a classic porno from the early 80s, the parking lot at Land’s End, and being late to English class.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on Dec 28, 2010 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
Want more
The below email exchange occurred the day after the Giants won the world series. The thread was started by a Dodger fan friend of ours. Simply put, I’d like another such email next year.
Note: the names have been changed to protect the irreverant.
Tony: Gents, Congratulations to all of you long-suffering Giants fans on the SF Giants winning the World Series!! What an incredible and awesome postseason run – still can’t believe it’s happened!
Dan: WOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOO! F**K YEAH!
McLovin: Man, what a weird year. Can’t beat the Padres until the last game
really, but can beat up all the aces in the league. I think the attached sums it up nicely… (Attached Giants in car gif)
Gordon: I second that.
Tom: Sorry…did you guys say something? I was still TUGGING OFF from last night!!
Brent: It seems like just yesterday we were watching Barry Bonds and the Giants beat up the Dodgers at my house while Mac Daddy was drinking hooch and getting stripped nude at Cooper park. Man the Giants have come a long way!
McLovin: I’ll never understand how you guys got my high tops off so quickly
without breaking my ankle…
Tom: And Dan was wearing a cape…that still confuses me!
Dan: It matched the fanny pack.
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James Franco?
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I didn't choose to be a Giants fan, I was born into it. November 1, 2010 World Champions.
Zito
I agree Grant, I want a sustained culture of winning. But since the Giants won, I find myself rooting for things that I never thought possible. Before, Barry Zito was an average at best starting pitcher whose contract I couldn’t wait to go away. Now, I find myself rooting for the dude. He’s now the underdog of the ballclub, and I want him to attain redemption.
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by Tommy Wiseau is a Giants Fan on Dec 28, 2010 8:17 AM PST reply actions
Me too
In which redemption is either a .500 record or a pivotal game win. It was nice in 2009 when he pitched that one game against the Rockies, almost his first CGSO, and the park was doing the Barry chant for him.
INCIDENTALLY, no Strikeouts For Troops party this year? Hmm.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on Dec 28, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe the playoff run didn’t leave him time to get it organized. He may not have been on the roster but he was at the games…
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But I wanted to fawn. I love fawning.
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Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on Dec 28, 2010 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
We're gonna go out there and jump up and down on your pitching mound
I think the interesting thing in 2011 will be to watch how winning it all effects the team. Will the extra innings load negatively effect the rotation? Will winning it all make the team complacent? What type of effect will catching for a full year have on Posey? Those types of things…
Casual interest at best (AT BEST!). Beating the Dodgers will still be required.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 28, 2010 8:52 AM PST reply actions
On the plus side none of the playoff series’ went 7 games… and hey…Zito’s well rested!
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I guarantee he comes back this spring in the best shape of his life.
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Return to canyon throwing!
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Jonathan Cheechoo
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 28, 2010 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
John Lennon
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Where is Dan Burkhart going to play ?
Lemony Snicket
Brian Sabean: Sing His Praises To The Heavens!
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game that seems to have resurrected itself in my absence...
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Where is Dan Burkhart going to play ?
Saul's Deli
According to Eric Holder, Giants Baseball is NOT torture. OK, it is, but followed by a big bowl of ice cream.
Tim Lincecum: He's a biracial angel.
Rosterbation
From MLBTraderumors.com
If January is a time for bargains, we should have plenty of examples from 2010. The ten best signings from that month:
Adrian Beltre to Red Sox for one year, $10MM.
Vladimir Guerrero to Rangers for one year, $6.5MM.
Jon Garland to Padres for one year, $5.3MM.
Brett Myers to Astros for one year, $5.1MM.
Matt Capps to Nationals for one year, $3.5MM.
Octavio Dotel to Pirates for one year, $3.25MM.
Aubrey Huff to Giants for one year, $3MM.
Jack Cust to Athletics for one year, $2.65MM.
Miguel Olivo to Rockies for one year, $2.5MM.
Jose Contreras to Phillies for one year, $1.5MM.For the most part, the key was to sign someone coming off a disappointing season to a one-year contract. Candidates for 2011: Nick Johnson, Derrek Lee, Johnny Damon, Scott Hairston, Manny Ramirez, Jeremy Bonderman, Justin Duchscherer, Jeff Francis, Kevin Millwood, Brad Penny, Chris Young, Chad Qualls, Alfredo Aceves, Manny Delcarmen, and Mark Hendrickson.
Should the Giants be interested in any of the potential bargains listed?’
Duchscherer and Millwood are somewhat interesting…Johnny Damon (then DFA Rowand)
Duchschererererererer
Duchschererererererer was one of my white whales last season along with Red Six. I think he is worth a 1 year “re-establish your value” type of contract.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 28, 2010 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
Rosterbation-Extended Edition
Also from MLBtraderumor.com
Team needs-NL West:
Diamondbacks: None. New GM Kevin Towers suggested eleven days ago that the signings of Xavier Nady and Henry Blanco might be his last of the offseason. Check out our Transaction Tracker for a look at Towers’ winter.
Rockies: Starting pitching depth, lefty reliever, Carlos Gonzalez extension. Having added Matt Lindstrom recently, the Rockies’ major changes may be done. They may be minor league deals, but it appears GM Dan O’Dowd could add extra starting pitching depth with a Bartolo Colon or Josh Fogg type. They were also thinking about re-signing lefty reliever Joe Beimel earlier this month, though Troy Renck suggests they might stick with internal options. Extending CarGo this winter appears unlikely.
Dodgers: Right-handed hitting left fielder. At last check the Dodgers had interest in Marcus Thames and the Hairston brothers, who are still free agents. But GM Ned Colletti told Ken Gurnick there’s a chance he’ll go into spring training with his current group of internal candidates. The Dodgers could also try to do a multiyear deal with Chad Billingsley.
Padres: Backup infielder. They had plenty of needs, but Jed Hoyer appears to have addressed most of them once the Brad Hawpe deal becomes official. They could sit back and try to snag a bargain middle infielder on the free agent market.
Giants: Backup shortstop, sixth starter. The Giants haven’t ruled out Edgar Renteria, who doesn’t have experience beyond shortstop. It was 20 days ago that John Shea linked them to Orlando Cabrera, Ramon Santiago, and sixth starters as well.
Sixth starter is a need? Are the Giants going with a 6 man rotation now?
Diamondbacks have no needs?
“6th starter” is also code for “blowout bullpen guy/injury replacement”. There are a grand total of 0 in SF and Fresno fitting that description right now (yes, I know Runzler started 2 games in AFL or whatever).
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 28, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
ABAB - start
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 28, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
No, he means Captain Abab.
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THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
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I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Where is Dan Burkhart going to play ?
What kind of injury is Jeff Francis coming off of? I’d ponder him if the price was right (that is, real low).
Playoff baseball is fun. We should do this more often.
Shoulder injury in 2009. Although he was shut down last August and this bit is a bit distressing:
Francis, 29, went 4-6 with a 5.00 ERA in 20 appearances (19 starts) last season with the Colorado Rockies after returning in mid-May from shoulder surgery. He was shut down for a month late in the season with his velocity dipping, but medical reports on Francis have been positive.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 28, 2010 9:40 AM PST up reply actions
never take a chance on a shoulder
Elbows, sure. Shoulders just seem bad. But maybe that’s my unscientific prejudgment.
Man
I still like the idea of Ducherererererererererer being our starter insurance. I still believe he can be really good. If only he could stay healthy for a week.
I guess he has been my only real white whale, maybe Nick Swisher to a lesser extent.
As for the rest, I was on the Johnson bandwagon last year (TWSS) but I am over him now.
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I could also go for Duke. I call him that because I didn’t want to look up the spelling of his last name.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 28, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think the Giants have both the money and the roster spots to accommodate any of these guys. The starters will want at least a chance of a job, and all of the hitters are OF/1B types, where we are set.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
post series mojo
this is what i think-i waited so long being 8 in 1962 and 56 now, i care deeply about the future the past doesnt hurt so much- 2002 and 1989 and 1969 and so many years of disappointment is what is gone. i still look every day to see what the roster will look like, i will still bleed black and orange, i’ll just do it with (1) the knowledge that i will not die before we reach the mountaintop and (2) lots of world series championship clothes!
by Norman W. Albert on Dec 28, 2010 9:30 AM PST reply actions
I no longer need Viagra.
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
BONER BUYER
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 28, 2010 9:46 AM PST up reply actions
FLACID FUCKFACE
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Dec 28, 2010 9:48 AM PST up reply actions
ERECT ENTHUSIAST!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 28, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
PRIAPIC PITCHMAN
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 28, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
Movie OT: Just rewatched My Cousin Vinny over the weekend
The whole movie is great…the most underrated scene is when Vinny first visits the two youts in jail and the one kid thinks that Vinny is there to pay him a “special visit”
I saw Breakfast at Tiffany’s for the first time last night. The two films have similar plots, if I recall.
The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!
Oh, my God. I couldn’t believe that character, even for 1961. I blanched several times. Utterly ridiculous.
The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!
From Wiki
While the 1961 New York Times review of the film merely referred to Mickey Rooney’s portrayal of Mr. Yunioshi , the Japanese neighbor, as “broadly exotic”, more recent characterizations include “cringe-inducing stereotype,”, “painful, misguided” “overtly racist”,“one of the most egregiously horrible ‘comic’ impersonations of an Asian (Mr. Yunioshi) in the history of movies,” and a portrayal “border[ing] on offensive” that is a “double blow to the Asian community — not only is he fatuous and uncomplimentary, but he is played by a Caucasian actor in heavy makeup.”
In his audio commentary for the DVD release, producer Richard Shepherd said that at the time of production as well in retrospect, he wanted to recast the role “not because he [Rooney] didn’t play the part well” but because Shepherd thought the part of Mr. Yunioshi should be performed by an actor of Japanese ethnicity; it was director Blake Edwards’ decision to keep Rooney. In a “making-of” for the 45th anniversary edition DVD release, Shepherd repeatedly apologizes, saying, “If we could just change Mickey Rooney, I’d be thrilled with the movie.” Director Blake Edwards stated, “Looking back, I wish I had never done it…and I would give anything to be able to recast it, but it’s there, and onward and upward.” In a 2008 interview about the film, 87-year-old Rooney said he was heartbroken about the criticism: “Blake Edwards…wanted me to do it because he was a comedy director. They hired me to do this overboard, and we had fun doing it….Never in all the more than 40 years after we made it — not one complaint. Every place I’ve gone in the world people say, ‘God, you were so funny.’ Asians and Chinese come up to me and say, ‘Mickey you were out of this world.’” Rooney also said that if he’d known people would have been so offended, “I wouldn’t have done it.”
Does make me like Rooney a little less…who are these AZNs he’s speaking to?
Short Round.
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THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
DACKA JONES
DACKA JONES!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 28, 2010 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
And why does he refer to them as “Asians and Chinese”?
The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!
Can we stop using “AZN”? It’s tired.
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Maybe it should have a nap?
Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.
I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog
THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
Fun fact: Fu Manchu has never been played by an actual Asian.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Always remember: Killed by ninjas.
Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.
I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog
THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
That’s because he’s secretly Caucasian!
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on Dec 28, 2010 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
You can't spell caucasian
without asian! MIND BLOWN
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 28, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
GIANTS BLOG LINKED TO ASIAN CAUC
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 28, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
Invented and produced in Southern California!
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
By a Chinese guy from Thailand!
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
psh. Mr Tan was from Vietnam. :D
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True story: I have a cousin Vinnie who is a lawyer with a heavy New York accent.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 28, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
Does he work for Jerry Callo?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 28, 2010 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
And all the heads of the five families.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Congress?
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
Not tonight . . .
I’m in recess.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 28, 2010 9:23 PM PST up reply actions
Marisa Tomei is an OG
Original Guidette.
According to Eric Holder, Giants Baseball is NOT torture. OK, it is, but followed by a big bowl of ice cream.
Tim Lincecum: He's a biracial angel.
I think that the market is currently overvaluing prospects.
My Adopted Giant
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
They are delicious
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 28, 2010 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
SABES: “Susan, get on the horn with my commodities broker. If’ I’m right, this Lars guy is about to drive up demand for pork bellies!”
The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!
He's now kicking pork bellies instead of tires.
Eww, that’s a bad mental image.
by mrs. owlcroft on Dec 28, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
I have the mental image of him kicking pork bellies cold-turkey style, sweats, shivers, brain wracking pain….
yep, still a bad mental image.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 28, 2010 3:47 PM PST up reply actions
Looking good, Lewis!
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 28, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
Feeling good, Billy Ray!
/backward, but wahtever.
by haemaker on Dec 28, 2010 3:49 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Crap. My bad.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 28, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
I just read a short article saying that the pork belly futures market may close. Aw. Sniff.
by non sequitur on Dec 28, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
There's no future for pork bellies???!!??
NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 28, 2010 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
We're ruined, Mortimer! Ruined!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 28, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
I saw that, too
So sad.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Just to clarify
I look at the packages that have been traded for people like Zack Greinke, and even lesser players like Willingham, Mark reynolds, JJ Hardy, and I’m more than a little surprised that there wasn’t some other team with need that couldn’t have offered more prospects for those players.
If what we’re seeing is actually the best prospect packages that could be gotten for these players, I think teams are overvaluing their prospects, and a smart GM might do well to go trade for some star players with a couple years on their contracts (a la Greinke).
My Adopted Giant
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Existential crisis? No, but...
While I want to see the Giants begin a run of extended excellence, filled with 90-win seasons and multiple World Series wins, it can’t help but feel different going forward. I’m sure any 2004 Red Sox or 2005 White Sox or 1980 Phillies fan would say the same thing, after so many years starving for a championship. The whole sports cliche that coaches and players give is true—titles are like children, you love them equally but differently. Nothing will be quite as special or memorable as the 2010 Giants, or so I assume. But that’s okay, I’ll be happy to compare Giants World Series titles and bore my grandkids in 2035 as they text with their friends on Mars.
I posted a few weeks ago that the 2011 Giants are well-positioned to follow the 2010 New Orleans Saints model of defending champion: a surprise winner that doesn’t get a whole lot of national media attention in the following offseason, is quickly forgotten about in the regular season as the focus shifts to the elite teams (in this analogy, Pats, Jets, Eagles, Colts and Steelers—and Brett Favre—as the NFL equivalents of the Red Sox, Yankees and Phillies). Then we get to the end of the regular season and here are the champs, having flown under the radar for months, having posted an impressive record, playoff-bound and coming on strong at exactly the right time. If the Saints repeat as Super Bowl champs, it’s a good omen for the Giants.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
And there actually is a way for the Giants to go one better… win an NLDS or WS clinchy type game… AT HOME!
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I don't know, I find it quite satisfying to watch the disappointed expressions of the other team's fans
especially when it’s that disgusting Phillies crowd.
by BusterHomerun on Dec 28, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
But that’s okay, I’ll be happy to compare Giants World Series titles and bore my grandkids in 2035 as they text with their friends on Mars.
Ha. No one in 2035 will know what “text” is.
by non sequitur on Dec 28, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
2035
You mean 25 SFGWC.
According to Eric Holder, Giants Baseball is NOT torture. OK, it is, but followed by a big bowl of ice cream.
Tim Lincecum: He's a biracial angel.
Time to fix that
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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
by GiantPain on Dec 28, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
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by Natto on Dec 28, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
‘Better than thou’
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 28, 2010 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
Well for me...
I just keep thinking no Giants team that may or may not win a World Series in the future will be as fun to watch as this one. It was just the perfect cast of guys that looked like they were just plain having fun playing baseball, which I never saw when Bonds was around.
But I also want to keep on doing what got us here…keeping our prospects and build around that. Dealing for expiring contracts is not the way to go. This team proved they don’t need that force in the cleanup hole for a lot of money or for a prospect.
But all in all, I just hope they can build around our pitching staff and that will guide us through the next decade.
Certain prices will
opening day, saturday games against rivals, that sort of thing will be markedly higher, I think.
But, like, Wednesday night vs the Pirates? You’ll still be able to get in for 20 or less.
My Adopted Giant
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
does anything really matter now that we are CHAMPS?
ummmm, no….we could go 0-162 and i’m going to enjoy being the champion everygame next year
nice job Grant
Trade Sabean...
But what about the baseball gods?
Obviously we did something to gain favor of the baseball gods where before it was clear they were against us.
Did we sacrifice the right number of goats? If so who? and how many? How do we repeat?
Is our penance done for moving to San FranSisco?
For our PEDs indulgences of the Bonds Era?
Chanting?
Did they also believe the mainstream media and laugh at our chances and were caught unaware?
What do we need to lay at the altar in 2011?
I am confused and distraught, I do not know what I am to do after a winning season.
Finally a signature worth having:
Fan of the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
Wow . . .
I somehow had missed that entirely. The whole mlb.com story seemed so far-fetched that I felt compelled to lookup “Harvard Eddie” on Baseball Reference. Sure enough, it’s true.
Where is the plaque placed near O’Doul Gate? I’ll have to pay homage on Opening Day.
by NiceGuysFinishEtc on Dec 28, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
Right when you walk in. Don’t go up the stairs, go to the elevators. When you get to the elevators keep going… there are 2 plaques on that wall the 2nd one is Eddie’s.
When we visited it we had to clear away empty rally towel boxes to even be able to see it.
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heh
When we visited it we had to clear away empty rally towel boxes to even be able to see it.
That was almost sadly ironic.
I was convinced those things were cursed, myself. They handed me one for 162 and I didn’t wave it all game. It’s folded nicely on my mantle, and I will take it to every game I attend. I guess they’re not cursed.
Although I was surprised at the sudden change in the towels between the SD series and the playoffs. They went from plain old orange washcloths (did they get them at Bed Bath and Beyond?) to sponsored orange flags not unlike what you’d tie on the back of a load of lumber that extends beyond the end of your vehicle.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 28, 2010 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
I think they ran out of the fancy sponsored ones. And it wasn’t the towels that were cursed, it was those damn poms poms!!
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Oh, were they doing the sponsored ones earlier in the year? I thought they were new for the SD series.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 28, 2010 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
We went to the last game of the SD series and they were out of the sponsored ones by then. So I think we’ve narrowed it down now: sponsored rally towels and pom poms = bad, plain orange towels with no who-ha on them = good
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I really only object to the pom pons.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 28, 2010 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
I was at the second-to-last game of the regular season, and I got a plain orange one, and the Giants lost. I think it was the same deal with the game before.
TAKE THAT, YOUR THEORY
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
aha!
The curse wasn’t in the Winning Washrags, it was groug!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 28, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
I went too all three Padre games, Then the first home game of each season. I took all the towels, left the ones from the 160 and 161 at home, and then tied the towels to the same spot every time I went to the game. 162 was under my watch, NLDS was tied to my right wrist, NLCS was sticking out the back of my hat, and they were handing put pom-pons at the WS Game One, and I refused it. Woulda been nice to have that souvenir, but I couldn’t bring myself to wave a goddamn pom-pon at a baseball game.
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by troymccluresf on Dec 28, 2010 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
We took the poms poms at the NLCS and NLDS …. one of which was a nasty ugly shade of red/orange. We refused poms-poms at Game 1 of the WS. Those poms poms are now in the outdoor toy closet at work. The kids like to play with them.
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Are they holding FanFest at the park again? I’ll pay my respects then.
someone with more free time than sense.
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Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on Dec 28, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah there’s already something up on KNBR about it. Feb 5th I believe.
We went for the first time last year, guess that means we’re obligated to go again this year.
I hope the field isn’t all tore up again.
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I still don’t get why they hold a motocross race immediately before FanFest, assuming that’s what you’re talking about.
Also, next year’s will be an epic crowding. I haven’t gone since ’08 which was already too much of a mob scene.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 28, 2010 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
holy crap
It all makes sense now.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on Dec 28, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
I feel like after a World Series Championship, all superstitions can reset. Lincecum can wear a new hat, Huff can stop wearing the thong, etc. Superstitions exist to appease the baseball gods, and if we’ve won it all, we obviously have satisfied the baseball gods.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Dec 28, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
hmm. I am going to have to consider that.
OK, so if we are reset, what is the correct offering to maintain good favor with the gods?
I am well versed on the rituals of the almost good enough, but do not know what to do as the reigning champ.
Kinda like that awkward gift giving thing. I know I should give them something, but if I give too much then I look like I am trying too hard or ungrateful for what I have already been given, but if I give too small of an offering then I might insult or anger them.
How do I (we) avoid the Chia pet and isotoner gloves yet not give my first born?
Finally a signature worth having:
Fan of the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
I’m retiring my game hat I’ve worn (near) gamedaily for over 18 seasons.
I cant wait for the 1st lameasser to mock me for my new bandwagon lid.
Playoff baseball is fun. We should do this more often.
Sigh. I miss my college days hat.
Lost it at Lollapaloza 91.
Not quite that many Croix pins, old logo.
I now have 4 hats, which is a lot for me, I do not normally wear hats.
- Replacement hat (too small, must have been the PEDs I didn’t know I was taking)
- Pin hat for games, has all my PBP and Bonds era pins.
- Regular hat from Phone Bell Park in 2000. New Stadium = new hat.
- New 2010 penis hat.
Finally a signature worth having:
Fan of the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
We’ll figure it out. They will guide us. But we are free to do what we please early next year. We will figure out our offerings to the baseball gods- and when we must offer them- the same way we always have. We need not give to them for the time being, for we have already given enough, as shown by being properly rewarded.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Dec 28, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
Random Question / Comment Starter
Would you, right now, sign Posey to a 10 year / 100 million dollar contract, buying out next year, his 4 arb years, and 5 FA years?
If no, would you do 10/80? If yes, 10/120?
My Adopted Giant
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I’m not sure there’s a single baseball player to whom I’d give a 10-year contract, even Buster Posey. Five or six years, sure.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
But then you’re paying him a lot more for the pre-FA years when he’s locked in for cheap, right? So you’re “saving” salary costs in the future by increasing them in the short run. Which certainly made sense with the Timmy deal last year, but that was for 2 years, right?
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FWIW
I would, absolutely.
Assuming that we’re going to keep the current system of free agency (which admittedly isn’t a sure thing with the new CBA coming up for negotiation), i think we can safely peg Posey as a guy who’d make somewhere around 20-30 million in arbitration. This would mean that the extension is a 5 year, 70-80 million dollar free agent contract for his peak years and into his early 30s. That’s damn good value, especially when inflation is taken into account.
Now, it is, of course, a risk. But it has a very high upside for the team (paying 10 mil/year for one of the best catchers in the league is a good deal NOW, not to mention what it’ll be in the future).
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Do you mean 20-30 million in his first year of arbitration, his last year of arbitration, or over the course of his four (five?) years of arbitration?
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
I’d do it.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
Maybe to the first one
Yes to the second, no to the last one.
He could still produce worthy of 8 to 10 million dollars of production in his age 34 season. And that salary could still be movable if necessary.
12 million a year could be pushing it. If he starts giving negative WAR he could be difficult to move. This is known as the Rowand factor.
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ugh
reply fail.
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It's Ok
You are new here scout….wait, your not…..still the offseason to get back into replying shape.
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by Cant_buy_a_run on Dec 28, 2010 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
I need a canyon.
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I thought that said you needed a crayon. I was going to offer you a whole box, I gots lots of crayons.
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Crayons are awesome.
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Crayons are delicious
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 28, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
Some Crayons taste like purple.
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And these candies that tasted like violets.
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by shanghaijim on Dec 28, 2010 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
Scratch it off the bucket list.
Now that The Giants have accomplished what we all thought might never happen, I feel free too enjoy the history of Baseball more.
Kirk Gibson? Awesome moment for Baseball.
Tommy Lasorda? A funny old little man who fueled a rivalry.
The Athletics? A quality franchise from across the Bay with a rich history.
Diamondbacks winning a title? Good, they beat the Yankee’s.
The thirst to relearn all of baseball history through new eyes is the best consequence of all.
No.
Fuck the Dodgers. And to hell with Lasorda.
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by scout6 on Dec 28, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions 8 recs
As far as I'm concerned, Fat Tommy can DIAF.
And yes, fuck the Dodgers.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 28, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
This
NEVER NEVER NEVER let Lasodra be a positive. Fuck him and the Dodgers forever.
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by Cant_buy_a_run on Dec 28, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
+1
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 28, 2010 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
McCoven, you’re losing me. How the fuck is this not green!?
by speckops on Dec 28, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
The San Francisco Giants just won their first World Series. Anger here (I would hope) is at an all-time low.
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by troymccluresf on Dec 28, 2010 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
No.
No.
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by natteringnabob on Dec 28, 2010 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
wtf
Kevin Mitchell has a black belt in keeping it real.
by kbsofaraway08 on Dec 28, 2010 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
I’m proud to say that as of last week I now recognize these two characters!
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Dec 28, 2010 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
Just finished rewatching the entire first season
over the past 48 hours. It’s been very unproductive.
this is not heartening
since I just watched the first two episodes yesterday. I didn’t remember a LOT, which makes me think that once I get to the later seasons I’ll be sucked in all over again.
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by natteringnabob on Dec 29, 2010 6:42 AM PST up reply actions
Brooklyn Beer
I have been wondering if I can finally try Brooklyn Brewery’s Pennant Ale ’55.
On one hand, it’s Dodger beer. I don’t eat Dodger Dogs, why would I drink Dodger beer? On the other hand, FUCK the Dodgers and your pitiful little league championship. We’re the motherfucking World Series Champions, and I’ll drink whatever the FUCK I want, including YOUR beer.
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by troymccluresf on Dec 28, 2010 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
I've said once and I will say it a million times
Dodger dogs are awful…just awful…the only edible thing in Dodger stadium is King Taco.
Exactly.
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by troymccluresf on Dec 28, 2010 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
I will of course, be wearing my 2010 World Series Giants hat while I drink it.
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by troymccluresf on Dec 28, 2010 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
Mo Beer...
I doubt you dig dark lagers, but Negro Modello has shown up on taps in both my locals (one of which is in Grass Valley), and a couple of other places I’ve stopped in. It’s pretty damn good for a light dark beer.
Playoff baseball is fun. We should do this more often.
Negra Modelo is awesome because it is often by far the best beer at any mexican restaurant.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Agreed.
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by troymccluresf on Dec 28, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
My only beverage while in Mexico.
Finally a signature worth having:
Fan of the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
Just spent a week in Playa del Carmen
This makes Modello even tastier.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaJDCgJY7kQ
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This is the only acceptable way to drink said beer.
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I might need to bring my Champions hat just for that. (I always just wear the official on-field hat, but I bought the penis hat as a souvenir.)
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by troymccluresf on Dec 28, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
I found that beer to be underwhelming when I tried it, but it was out of a bottle.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
I’m not expecting it to be THAT great (it is Dodger beer, after all) but Brooklyn Brewing is good enough that I’ll generally try anything they make when I’m in NYC.
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by troymccluresf on Dec 28, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
I never had a problem with the last two. The first two, on the other hand…
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Just as much as the next Giants fan...
I hate the Dodgers. So much so it effects my real life (I look awesome in Royal Blue, can never wear it; I will not eat at restaurants that have anything Dodgers related on their walls because their logo makes my stomach turn…ect) and my Fantasy team (I would never own a Dodger, and have an extremely hard time with guilt from owning NL West players).
The point I was trying to make was that these memories go from being stored in a tucked away corner of my brain where I never have to think about them, to a place where, as a baseball fan, I can appreciate what they meant to their franchise. So long I have defined my sports-identity as the title starved Giants fan with jaded views towards all other Championship teams.
Now the Giants have the current laugh, and we get to be Kings for a year. Why not take enjoyment in a jester like T. Lasorda? He goes from being a monster to harmless fool. I am okay with that.
Except he actually is a monster.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 28, 2010 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
I hate Tommy Lasorda for far more than his involvement with the Dodgers. He’s a loathsome, disgusting individual.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Kirk Gibson? Awesome moment for Baseball.
Tommy Lasorda? A funny old little man who fueled a rivalry.
The Athletics? A quality franchise from across the Bay with a rich history.
Diamondbacks winning a title? Good, they beat the Yankee’s.
If you could see your way clear to putting a subject line onto your reply fails that would be lovely.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 28, 2010 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
I really feel like the second tarring and feathering doesn’t pack the same punch.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 28, 2010 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
It does if you punch, too.
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by troymccluresf on Dec 28, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
But only if the first included a punch as well?
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 28, 2010 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
All you need is artillery punch:
- bottle of bourbon
- bottle of claret
- bottle of sherry
- juice six lemons
- chill
- serve over ice with seltzerby wcw on Sep 17, 2010 2:41 AM EDT
Sometimes I add a bottle of bitters to the above. Sometimes not. It’s a party in a bowl, either way.
The Giants record subsequent to my posting that recipe? 20 – 9.
Science.
It’s the rally thong of alcoholic punches.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 28, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
Jon and Ponch
According to Eric Holder, Giants Baseball is NOT torture. OK, it is, but followed by a big bowl of ice cream.
Tim Lincecum: He's a biracial angel.
Alls I know
Seeing the Giants play with an empty outfield scoreboard. There was something so otherworldy about that, like the game was played on Mars, far away from mere mortal baseball.
“That’s what you want to see.” -Kuip
by officemike on Dec 28, 2010 1:15 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Just watched this again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-DpMFd8A
Yeah, I want more. I want a lot more.
Of course I still care about the Giants!
But who saw that Arsenal game yesterday!?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 28, 2010 1:35 PM PST reply actions
I watched about 5 minutes of it…not much going on when I tuned in.
Although it reminded me that I’d love to see Ian Darke and Andy Gray do a guest inning calling a Giants game on CSN this season. That would be fun. Probably won’t happen.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
The other commentator was Steve McManaman I believe. But yes, they do have a degree of subtle hilarity about them.
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Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 28, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t remember who it was: announcers, teams or the player in question, but our favorite futbol call was something about someone’s play being “dazzling and effervescent”. That is now the measuring stick to which all performances are held.
“He made a great play!”
“Yes, but, was it dazzling and effervescent?”
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Yeah a lot of English commentators are great, especially those who do the big games, such as Martin Tyler and Ian Darke. Certainly better than your average baseball commentator.
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Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 28, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
Chelsea looked horrid.
Arsenal could of easily had 5 goals.
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I watched an episode of that once. Having been to the actual East End, it’s pretty hilarious how inaccurate that show is.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
That’s like expecting Dragnet to be an accurate reflection of LA in the 70’s.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 28, 2010 6:25 PM PST up reply actions
I have seen 30 Rock
and they haven’t shown one person I ever saw in Rockefeller Center!
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by natteringnabob on Dec 29, 2010 6:43 AM PST up reply actions
even though you’ve seen the movie?
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But you can’t take anything away from Arsenal.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 28, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
I’m watching a YouTube series about Arsenals 49 game unbeaten streak. I think it’s a 25 part series.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 28, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
was that 2004 with
Henry?
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Yeah
They went an entire Prem season without losing. Pretty amazing.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Man U is still unbeaten
they did look pretty medicore today though against Birmingham.
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Yeah
I don’t think they’ll make it through the whole season. They have had a lot of draws.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Neither do I.
I’m not impressed with their team or the EPL as a whole this season. It is pretty balanced though I do say. I think any team could beat any team this year.
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Yeah. And into 2005 I think.
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Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 28, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
No my mistake. 2003 into 2004.
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Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 28, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
Did you see that ludicrous display last night?
The thing about Arsenal is, the try to walk it in.
by haemaker on Dec 28, 2010 3:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
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May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 28, 2010 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
/vuvuzela
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 28, 2010 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
Zzzzz
Playoff baseball is fun. We should do this more often.
by bgunn on Dec 28, 2010 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
HAHAHA
I LOVE IT. The guy kicking the ball is also doin’ a lil strut.
Haters Gonna Hate.
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Mariooooooo!
Having a great year for Bayern. I’m hoping that will translate fur die Deutsche Nationalmannschaft.
Section 314 FTW!
by KingofDucks1987 on Dec 28, 2010 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
Good grief! How did that happen?
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
It’s either a long story that I don’t have time to tell, or a short story that I’m too embarrassed to tell.
Either way, it’s taking a ludicrous number of cleaning cycles to get it out of there.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 28, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
Looking for a short cut for making hot cocoa?
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That’s actually not far off.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 28, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
recipes calling for "scalded milk"
are not to be taken literally.
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by natteringnabob on Dec 28, 2010 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
Howie thought it said “scolded milk” and spent an hour harshly talking to his moo juice.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 28, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
It was actually the cocoa we got was weird. It was discontinued at Raley’s, so I bought one for like a dollar. We tried it, and it didn’t dissolve very well, so we kept ending up with this unpleasantly grainy drink. I thought, “If I could get the flavor of the mix without the un-dissolved particles, this would taste great.”
My first thought was to do something like a cheesecloth so I could steep it like tea. My second thought was, “I don’t have cheesecloth, but I do have a coffee maker.”
A few thoughts down the line I just threw the remaining mix out and started the long process of making the coffee maker work again and/or not smell like burnt milk anymore.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 28, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
Do you have a stick blender?
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 28, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
Ooooh I have one of those, they come in real handy. Smoothies, eggs, hot cocoa, stupid fiber drinks… they work pretty well and they aren’t all that expensive.
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I use mine the most for soups and to thicken gravies and braising liquids.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 28, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t believe that I do.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 28, 2010 6:41 PM PST up reply actions
I was thinking you might be able to homogenize the mixture.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 28, 2010 6:42 PM PST up reply actions
Well, it’s moot now anyway since I threw the mix out. I think in the future I’ll just avoid buying discontinued products.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 28, 2010 6:46 PM PST up reply actions
discontinued for a reason they were
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But so temptingly inexpensive!
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by howtheyscored on Dec 28, 2010 6:51 PM PST up reply actions
I’m fairly impressed you got it to work again at all.
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by natteringnabob on Dec 28, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
Especially for one of Mr. Coffee’s low-end models!
It took probably ten cleaning cycles just to get the water flowing through it normally. Three or four cleaning cycles with a water/vinegar mixture after that seems to have done a lot for the milk smell.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 28, 2010 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
I never pegged you for a pot smoker, but that really is the only explanation here.
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I resent your implication, sirrah.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 28, 2010 5:20 PM PST up reply actions
I’ve actually barely even second-hand pot smoked in my life.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 28, 2010 6:52 PM PST up reply actions
I’m just not very smart sometimes.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 28, 2010 6:54 PM PST up reply actions
But sometimes you’re also not very stupid!
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 28, 2010 7:00 PM PST up reply actions
You didn’t go to the WS parade, I take it.
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by natteringnabob on Dec 29, 2010 6:44 AM PST up reply actions
Or any of the playoff games.
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/Hamilton’d
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by natteringnabob on Dec 29, 2010 6:46 AM PST up reply actions
The whole pot in public thingcan be annoying. Some people who would never light up a cigarette in public have no qualms about smoking pot in public spaces. I don’t think the stuff will ever be legalized until the people that use it show a little common sense and / or courtesy.
In my experience even if you ask people nicely not to smoke around you, or in one case it was someone with kids who asked, you get:
“But it’s pot maaaaaaaaaan…. chilllll out.”
“Tell that to my asthma/allergies/chronic respiratory condition, maaaaaan.”
It’s frustrating.
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+1. I hate second-hand smoke, and I don’t care where it comes from. I don’t think pot smoke is as harmful as cigarette smoke, but it’s still not good for the lungs.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 29, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
IMO
If they want pot to be treated like alcohol and cigarettes they should act like it’s alcohol and cigarettes.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on Dec 29, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
Great. Sometimes I smoke when I drink. So that means I have to smoke pot when I drink too?
Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!
or smoke pot when you have a cigarette.
Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.
I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog
THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
Drink your cigarettes just to be safe.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 29, 2010 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
And you’ll have to start smoking pot when you smoke pot, too.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 29, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
Anyone else getting hungry?
Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.
I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog
THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
Yeah lets get a burger and a beer/cigarette/joint.
Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!
That's my lunch.
What are you having?
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 29, 2010 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
OT: An Update
So, after the shittiness that was trying – and failing – to travel yesterday, I got offered and interview off the waitlist. I’m headed out to Boston (hopefully for real this time) next Monday.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Better luck this time!
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 28, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks!
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Yay! Check the weather and leave before any of it gets there!
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Oh my gosh
If there’s another blizzard and I have to cancel again, I will likely do something I highly regret.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
win
Hooray for gigantic holiday-ruining snowstorms that prevented everyone from going!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 28, 2010 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
Kick some ass!
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 28, 2010 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
ot-doctor who
Ive been away awhile so i dont know if this has been discussed yet
but omg new doctor who!
the special was meh but holy hell at the series 6 trailer
that alien at the end was freaky
"Life is like a grapefruit. It's orange and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
Ted Williams: .406 1941
Gary Brown: .438 2010
by operation carrot on Dec 28, 2010 3:28 PM PST reply actions
I’ve never seen a single episode of Dr.Who
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you definatly should. you can start with last series and run from there. A very good, family friendly, sci fi show.
"Life is like a grapefruit. It's orange and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
Ted Williams: .406 1941
Gary Brown: .438 2010
by operation carrot on Dec 28, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
To clarify, you should probably start with the 2005 revival, not necessarily the old episodes.
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I need to see the Christmas special!!!
I’ve actually heard good things about it ’til now. “Meh”? Sad. :(
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
I dont mean meh as bad necessarily
it was pretty decent. Prolly the best xmas special. voyage of the damned being closest, But it wasnt great either. Series 6 looks amazing though.
"Life is like a grapefruit. It's orange and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
Ted Williams: .406 1941
Gary Brown: .438 2010
by operation carrot on Dec 28, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
I thought it was awesome.
Also awesome
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by Natto on Dec 28, 2010 3:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
just off of appearances that looks to be the best episode of the new series. River in the her cowboy outfit!
"Life is like a grapefruit. It's orange and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
Ted Williams: .406 1941
Gary Brown: .438 2010
by operation carrot on Dec 28, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
They’re certainly getting plenty of mileage out of filming in the States.
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I’m going to start watching Dr. Who soon.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 28, 2010 6:46 PM PST up reply actions
Damn, I'm real down today
first off, at the FD we didnt make it in time to a car accident on Xmas eve and the woman bled out before we could cut the door off to get her out- her pulse literally stopped while i was administering CPR, so that was tough to deal with. her 2 little kids in the car survived and now dont have a mommy.
my divorce from my ex-wife was just finalized a few weeks ago, so that’s more failure. im too young to have a jaded heart as it is.
then to top it all off, my gf and i got in a huge fight last night (in front of alot of my friends, no less), and its def over now. and its raining outside, when what i need most right now is a sunny day.
its wierd, because i dont know any of you personally, its actually easier to just say whatevers going on with me on MCC, but i dont know why. i guess its like an outlet to strangers, yknow, a way of not showing any vulnerabilities to anyone i actually know.
what a life, eh?
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
Wow. That’s officially worse than anything I’ve been going through. I’m not sure if anyone mentions it, but I do think it’s great you’re a firefighter – I admire that. And though I bet it doesn’t really help, you can’t save everyone.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 28, 2010 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
Stop pretending you two aren’t the same person. It’s not working.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
lol. giantsfansince1981 is my arch-nemesis
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 28, 2010 7:58 PM PST up reply actions
We decided on being arch-nemeses?
Very well then. It is on.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 29, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
Huh, I always thought you were the same person.
Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!
Tyler Durden?
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 29, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
Tyler Walker?
Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!
W. S. Loser Rangers
By the way, giant4life (my fine imaginary friend), one is never too young to become jaded about love.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 29, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
The Lone Ranger ?
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Where is Dan Burkhart going to play ?
Bengie Molina
Walker Texas Ranger
Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!
by jhiat00 on Dec 29, 2010 12:54 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
This is hilarious on so many levels.
Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.
I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog
THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
Also have a rec.
This should be green.
Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.
I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog
THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
How many recs does it take
to greenify you?
According to Eric Holder, Giants Baseball is NOT torture. OK, it is, but followed by a big bowl of ice cream.
Tim Lincecum: He's a biracial angel.
That’s one of the difficult things about your profession. My uncle and grandfather were both firefighters and those things can get to you, especially this time of year.
Hang in there !
‘sides now that you’re a firefighter you can pose for one of those “hot” firefighter calendars and meet tons of wimmins!!!
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Plus there’s the crossover possibility of that “hot” MCC calendar I keep hearing about.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 28, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
He’ll need to join McC Premium.
Hang tough giant4life83. You took an 0-fer, but your sample size will soon pick you up.
PS: giant4life83 and giantsfansince1981 should not be allowed to reply to each other’s posts.
Playoff baseball is fun. We should do this more often.
I think we had this discussion once and decided that it was too fun to abuse our power. The only problem will occur when I get photographed for the MCC calendar in giant4life83’s place.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 28, 2010 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
Well I hate—or love your posts. I just forget which. :~)
Playoff baseball is fun. We should do this more often.
Ha! I’ll assume love and just be thankful.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 28, 2010 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
this time of year has a whole lot to do with it
those kids will never have another normal Xmas because their mom died on on Xmas eve, 2010. yeah, i just… well theres the human side of being a FF, and that’s dealing with the death that will surround you, and i dont think i was ready for that- as a volunteer, those arent situations youre put in, so this was my first time. i guess it’s just putting a face on death that is difficult- i mean, the husband showed up at the accident scene and im standing outside the back of the ambulance, she’s flatlining, he’s losing it, the EMTs are defibbing her, dies right there. i mean, im sad about a failed marriage and this guy lost his wife and has to raise his kids as a single parent now. my problems are nowhere near his.
hahha, the FF calendars. they did the shoots back in Oct, so maybe ill be in the next one :)
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 28, 2010 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
Just remember, eventually you will have many, many more “saves” than losses, and that’s why you turn out. That doesn’t make it any easier to deal with now, of course but “Pop-pop” always said to stay focused on the big picture.
(You probably have a departmental chaplain who is trained to help rookies deal with these things too.)
.
October huh? Well then that’ll give you plenty of time to get really ripped and sex-a-ma-fied!
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yeah, its just, im supposed to be able to deal with this. thats part of the job. i dont know that its gonna get any easier, im just gonna have to adjust.
meeting women isnt the problem, most women swoon over FFs, its meeting women i actually like that is the problem.
this is something im just gonna have to deal with on my own, i think- the dept offers counselors, but thats just a sign of weakness to go see the shrink. i need to mentally be tougher than this
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 28, 2010 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
I know many people perceive it as weakness, but there’s nothing wrong with seeing a shrink.
And honestly, I think over time it will become easier. I think out of necessity people become desensitized to death when their jobs involve it.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 28, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
I think it’s not a bad thing to be upset about something like this. I’d worry more about someone who was callous or apathetic in such a situation. The key maybe finding a way to handle these emotions now and in the future. There are several med students on here who can probably speak to this better than I can.
I know when I started teaching I wanted to bring home every abused and neglected child I had in my classes. Eventually I learned that it was impossible for me to save the world. That doesn’t mean I still don’t try my best to help and reach every student, but I had to learn that I couldn’t save everyone.
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It's not a sign of weakness, it's a sign of your humanity.
Go see the people who’re trained to help others in this situation. You trained to help others, so let the counselors do their job, too. Take the comfort they can give you and know that you’ve got friends right here, ready to listen and console.
by mrs. owlcroft on Dec 28, 2010 6:44 PM PST up reply actions
thanks for all the help, everyone. i will take some of your suggestions into consideration
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 28, 2010 7:58 PM PST up reply actions
Shit man
That is a rough few days. I hope things turn around for you. I know what it’s like having someone die in your hands. Pretty rough. Hang in there and keep trucking.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Sorry that you have to deal with all that,
What you and many others do to help the rest of us live our lives is just amazing.
Yeah, and it’s just stupid that you can’t really do anything to say thank-you. My mom once tried to drop off some Starbucks gift cards after some firefighters had helped her and she was told that they were not allowed to accept gifts from the public.
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yeah, cant accept gifts with monetary value from the public, a FF (or policeman) is the same as a public office in the regard that gifts would be seen as a form of kickback- though we do eat the cookies people bring us :)
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 28, 2010 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
Blame the Romans
for cursing us with these midwinter pagan festivals.
The victim had no chance at all if you weren’t there, but thanks for trying. I can tell you the family is glad she didn’t die alone.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 28, 2010 4:16 PM PST up reply actions
Jeff Passan of Yahoo! Sports hates the Giants
SO MANY backhanded compliments in his top 2010 list it seems like he’s not even trying to cover his insults.
“2. San Francisco celebrates
The more amazing story, of course, would’ve been the Texas Rangers emerging from bankruptcy to win the World Series on the back of a manager who had been popped with a positive cocaine test a year earlier and a team president who had been a conquering hero as a player and was now trying to cement an even greater legacy.
Instead, we got to watch a thrown-together bunch win a championship for a city that deserved it.
Giants fans hadn’t been through Cubs hell or Indians hell, but they were certainly somewhere in Dante’s Divine Comedy. So to see a group of questionable hitters do more than enough to supplement a troupe of incredible pitchers sent San Francisco into a tizzy. They cheered the guy with the thong (Aubrey Huff) and the bong (Tim Lincecum), they feared the beard (Wilson’s) and they sang along with Steve Perry.
And on the first day of November, they celebrated. Prop 19 was voted down the next day, but that was OK. Giants fans were on a high that still hasn’t worn off."
Still waiting for the Kaboom of Doom, Sandoval.
by GforGiantsGilroyGarlicFries on Dec 28, 2010 4:38 PM PST reply actions
yeah, well, Jeff Passan is an asshole
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 28, 2010 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t see that many insults, other than the idea the Rangers would have been a better story. That’s just silly.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 28, 2010 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
Eh, to my ear it sounded more like failed attempts at wit, which is much more likely considering his general oeuvre.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
/soils self
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 28, 2010 5:42 PM PST up reply actions
It’s time for Matt Cain to make some terrible life decisions. Maybe if he gets hooked on hard drugs, finds Jesus and then returns to MLB, the national media will start noticing and rooting for him.
"Can Manchester United score? They always score... Peter Schmeichel is forward... Beckham, in towards Schmeichel- it's come for Dwight Yorke. Cleared... Giggs with a shot- SHERINGHAM!"
by Useful_Idiot on Dec 28, 2010 5:59 PM PST up reply actions
Ray Ratto wants you all to stop talking about the World Series victory. It’s in the past!!
"Can Manchester United score? They always score... Peter Schmeichel is forward... Beckham, in towards Schmeichel- it's come for Dwight Yorke. Cleared... Giggs with a shot- SHERINGHAM!"
Yeah, seriously people. Fried chicken is where it’s at!
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
I’m pretty sure you mean fried chickens.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 28, 2010 6:51 PM PST up reply actions
Fred Chicken
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Harry Chiti
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 29, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
Four fried chickens and a coke.
Do you want chicken wings or chicken legs?
No. Four whole fried chickens and a coke.
by haemaker on Dec 28, 2010 8:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
We got two honkies out there who look like Hasidic diamond merchants…
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Dec 28, 2010 9:19 PM PST up reply actions
One of the best movies of all time.
Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.
I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog
THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
New Oldsmobiles are in early this year.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Dec 29, 2010 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
Oh so definitely. I need to watch that again.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 29, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
For my part,
I want to see the Giants win it all in 2011 even more now.
Coming up short in the past hurt, and it hurt bad,
But while it hurt, it wasn’t a new hurt:
After all, they didn’t win the previous year, either;
Just another year of the same, hanging my head, kicking at the dirt.
This year is different.
I don’t want to hear that 2010 was a fluke, a perfect storm, a convergence of good fortune.
I’ll scream if I do.
The roster has largely held together, carrying forward its proven success.
I’ve watched my box set all the way through and then some since Christmas.
I dream in highlights and McCoven GIFs.
I can’t let go now.
Look out. I'm having a thought.
Went to see The King’s Speech today and then watched Game 4 of the NLCS with my friend. Both were superb.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I’m looking forward to TKS, but it’s going to be a DVD watch for me.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 28, 2010 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
I almost never watch anything in theaters anymore.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on Dec 28, 2010 10:36 PM PST up reply actions
I like to go to theaters, but this just wasn’t a very good year for movies that inspire me to go.
Now that I think about it, though, I still haven’t seen Deathly Hollows Part 1.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 29, 2010 12:57 AM PST up reply actions
Toy Story 3, man.
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I would have, but I want to see them in order. I have TS2 coming up soon.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 29, 2010 9:34 AM PST up reply actions
How have you not seen it yet?
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
I believe this was covered a month or so ago.
Deja vu.
Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.
I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog
THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
My wife and I went and saw Tangled on Sunday.
It was amazing. I still need to see Tron: Legacy. Bad reviews be damned.
Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.
I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog
THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
Only theater I’m really willing to go to in the Kabuki. Over-21 showings, bar, movies without a dozen Coke commercials before hand…
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Dec 29, 2010 8:48 AM PST up reply actions
Morns the passing of the days when bands played the Kabuki…Gang of Four, Psychedelic Furs, X, Garcia/Kahn. I always remember a ton of Vespas parked out front.
Playoff baseball is fun. We should do this more often.
^ There’s no “I” in team, but there is a “u” in Mourns.
Playoff baseball is fun. We should do this more often.
There is an I in “meat pie”. And meat is an anagram of team.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 29, 2010 9:35 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t know what he’s talking about.
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Natto=clueless
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 29, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
Pretty Sure Howie's talking about the
Scottish Meat Pie Co in Dixon.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Where is Dan Burkhart going to play ?
Is there really such a place? Are they good? I grew up on meat pies from numerous Scottish bakeries in Kearny NJ. Mmmmm…
Playoff baseball is fun. We should do this more often.
There is...
I haven’t been there in about five years, but the lamb pie was awesome. They also had haggis, other types of meat pies, and many bakery items.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Where is Dan Burkhart going to play ?
For those who missed it
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Shaun_of_the_Dead
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I knew what you were talking about.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 29, 2010 1:23 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks, babe.
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I would pay good money
too see a photo of Garcia/Kahn on Vespas.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 29, 2010 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
That looks good. I saw Black Swan a week or so ago, and I really liked that.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 29, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
Somewhat less-creepy Zito…
…lurking in the background:
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Dec 28, 2010 9:35 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
I think the Sistine Chapel needs an update. I nominate this photo.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
Thirded
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Anybody have the Pope's email address?
by mrs. owlcroft on Dec 29, 2010 12:02 AM PST up reply actions
Isn’t it like Santa…if you want to talk to Santa you write North Pole…if you want to talk to the Pope…Pope@vatican.org?
San Francisco Giants | World Champions 2010
It’s vatican.va. (You didn’t think I’d let a little friendly anticlericalism get past me did you?)
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on Dec 29, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
GIT OFF UR LORELS GIANTS BRASZ
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
I WANT WINNERS!!!
it’s gonna be so wierd walking to the park next year knowing we are the champions,
THE FREAKING WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Trade Sabean...
i think our biggest need
IS TO FIND ANOTHER STARTER…..we need a solid vet for a good price that we can make better, or some new young talent in the mold of our big 4,
not a hitter, another starter
Trade Sabean...
So do you send Bumgarner down to make room for the sixth starter?
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 29, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t know how new this is, but according to this article, Pablo Sandoval has lost approximately eight to ten kilos of weight since the offseason began, which equates to roughly 17.6 to 22 lbs.
"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat
That is fantastic news. I believe his workout discipline will translate to plate discipline (both kinds).
Playoff baseball is fun. We should do this more often.
I think they are somewhat unrelated…
I think that the spanking he got by being benched in the playoffs will go a long way towards developing a more mature approach toward being a professional athlete. Having settled his marital/custody/residence issues might well have a salutary effect on his mental approach to the game as well.
Nonetheless, hearing that he recognizes how important the issue of his conditioning is and that he’s taking steps to improve it is very good indeed. Of course, we heard similar things last year and long term behavioral changes of this sort are difficult to make.
Still, I remain cautiously optimistic and will retain my Team Panda secret decoder ring.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 29, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
by jctGamer on Dec 29, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
greened
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Where is Dan Burkhart going to play ?
LOL Facebook comment:
In response to someone complaining about their back aching:
My girlfriend does amazing massage on athletes. She keeps my climbibg team in grear shape if u r interested
Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!
SHE DOESN'T EVEN USE HER HANDS!
Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.
I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog
THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
Too late . . .
LPO.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 29, 2010 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
OT: Darwin Award nominee
CLEMSON, S.C. – A man has been hospitalized after police in South Carolina say he was hit by an SUV while playing a real-life version of the video game “Frogger.”
Authorities said the 23-year-old man was taken to a hospital in Anderson after he was struck at around 9 p.m. Monday.
In the “Frogger” arcade game, players move frogs through traffic on a busy road and through a hazard-filled river. Before he was hit, police say the man had been discussing the game with his friends.
Chief Jimmy Dixon says the man yelled “go” and darted into oncoming traffic in the four-lane highway.
No charges are expected against the driver. The name of the man who was struck has not been released. He was in stable condition Monday night.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101229/ap_on_re_us/us_frogger_wreck
I don’t understand why anyone would do this in the first place, but at 9 PM, seriously? A driver probably can’t even see 50 feet ahead of him.
I'll just leave this here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Vb2brJkGhs
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I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog
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