Zack Greinke to the Brewers
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 19, 2010 11:13 AM PST
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PrintI like the deal for both sides, especially considering where both teams are in the success cycle. The Brewers try to maximize the last year with Prince Fielder, and the Royals get a couple of cost-controlled guys up the middle and two solid pitching prospects. I also like how there was no way the Giants could have come up with a comparable offer. Makes me feel better.
Stats after the jump.
Zack Greinke
| Year | Age | Tm | W | L | G | IP | H | BB | SO | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2004 | 20 | KCR | 8 | 11 | 3.97 | 24 | 145.0 | 143 | 26 | 100 | 120 |
| 2005 | 21 | KCR | 5 | 17 | 5.80 | 33 | 183.0 | 233 | 53 | 114 | 76 |
| 2006 | 22 | KCR | 1 | 0 | 4.26 | 3 | 6.1 | 7 | 3 | 5 | 116 |
| 2007 | 23 | KCR | 7 | 7 | 3.69 | 52 | 122.0 | 122 | 36 | 106 | 124 |
| 2008 | 24 | KCR | 13 | 10 | 3.47 | 32 | 202.1 | 202 | 56 | 183 | 126 |
| 2009 | 25 | KCR | 16 | 8 | 2.16 | 33 | 229.1 | 195 | 51 | 242 | 205 |
| 2010 | 26 | KCR | 10 | 14 | 4.17 | 33 | 220.0 | 219 | 55 | 181 | 100 |
| 7 Seasons | 60 | 67 | 3.82 | 210 | 1108.0 | 1121 | 280 | 931 | 116 | ||
Alcides Escobar
| Year | Age | Lev | AB | 2B | 3B | HR | SB | CS | BB | SO | |||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2004 | 17 | Rk | 231 | 8 | 0 | 2 | 20 | 9 | 20 | 44 | .281 | .348 | .342 |
| 2005 | 18 | A | 520 | 25 | 8 | 2 | 30 | 13 | 20 | 90 | .271 | .305 | .362 |
| 2006 | 19 | A+ | 350 | 9 | 1 | 2 | 28 | 8 | 19 | 56 | .257 | .296 | .306 |
| 2007 | 20 | A+-AA | 494 | 13 | 7 | 1 | 22 | 13 | 18 | 71 | .306 | .331 | .366 |
| 2007 | 20 | A+ | 268 | 8 | 3 | 0 | 18 | 10 | 7 | 35 | .325 | .345 | .377 |
| 2007 | 20 | AA | 226 | 5 | 4 | 1 | 4 | 3 | 11 | 36 | .283 | .314 | .354 |
| 2008 | 21 | AA | 546 | 24 | 5 | 8 | 34 | 8 | 31 | 82 | .328 | .363 | .434 |
| 2009 | 22 | AAA | 430 | 24 | 6 | 4 | 42 | 10 | 32 | 65 | .298 | .353 | .409 |
| 6 Seasons | 2571 | 103 | 27 | 19 | 176 | 61 | 140 | 408 | .293 | .333 | .377 | ||
Lorenzo Cain
| Year | Age | Lev | AB | H | 2B | 3B | HR | SB | CS | BB | SO | |||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2005 | 19 | Rk | 229 | 78 | 18 | 5 | 5 | 12 | 3 | 21 | 38 | .341 | .408 | .528 |
| 2005 | 19 | Rk | 205 | 73 | 18 | 5 | 5 | 12 | 3 | 20 | 32 | .356 | .418 | .566 |
| 2005 | 19 | Rk | 24 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 6 | .208 | .321 | .208 |
| 2006 | 20 | A | 527 | 162 | 36 | 4 | 6 | 34 | 11 | 58 | 104 | .307 | .384 | .425 |
| 2007 | 21 | A+ | 482 | 133 | 21 | 3 | 2 | 24 | 9 | 37 | 97 | .276 | .338 | .344 |
| 2008 | 22 | A+-AA-AAA | 484 | 135 | 31 | 9 | 11 | 25 | 6 | 51 | 115 | .279 | .356 | .448 |
| 2008 | 22 | A+ | 317 | 91 | 22 | 4 | 7 | 19 | 4 | 29 | 68 | .287 | .358 | .448 |
| 2008 | 22 | AA | 148 | 41 | 9 | 5 | 4 | 6 | 2 | 19 | 41 | .277 | .363 | .486 |
| 2008 | 22 | AAA | 19 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 6 | .158 | .273 | .158 |
| 2009 | 23 | AA-A-Rk | 206 | 45 | 11 | 0 | 4 | 3 | 3 | 20 | 50 | .218 | .294 | .330 |
| 2009 | 23 | Rk | 9 | 4 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | .444 | .455 | .556 |
| 2009 | 23 | A | 52 | 10 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 9 | 15 | .192 | .311 | .269 |
| 2009 | 23 | AA | 145 | 31 | 6 | 0 | 4 | 3 | 3 | 10 | 35 | .214 | .277 | .338 |
| 2010 | 24 | AA-AAA | 331 | 105 | 11 | 9 | 3 | 26 | 3 | 45 | 69 | .317 | .402 | .432 |
| 2010 | 24 | AA | 244 | 79 | 6 | 6 | 3 | 21 | 2 | 34 | 52 | .324 | .409 | .434 |
| 2010 | 24 | AAA | 87 | 26 | 5 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 1 | 11 | 17 | .299 | .384 | .425 |
| 6 Seasons | 2259 | 658 | 128 | 30 | 31 | 124 | 35 | 232 | 473 | .291 | .366 | .416 | ||
Jake Odorizzi
| Year | Age | Tm | Lev | W | L | G | GS | IP | H | HR | BB | SO | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2008 | 18 | Brewers | Rk | 1 | 2 | .333 | 3.48 | 11 | 4 | 20.2 | 18 | 2 | 9 | 19 |
| 2009 | 19 | Helena | Rk | 1 | 4 | .200 | 4.40 | 12 | 10 | 47.0 | 55 | 3 | 9 | 43 |
| 2010 | 20 | Wisconsin | A | 7 | 3 | .700 | 3.43 | 23 | 20 | 120.2 | 99 | 7 | 40 | 135 |
| 3 Seasons | 9 | 9 | .500 | 3.68 | 46 | 34 | 188.1 | 172 | 12 | 58 | 197 | |||
Jeremy Jeffress
| Year | Age | Lev | G | GS | IP | H | HR | BB | SO | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2006 | 18 | Rk | 5.88 | 13 | 4 | 33.2 | 30 | 0 | 25 | 37 |
| 2007 | 19 | A | 3.13 | 18 | 18 | 86.1 | 62 | 8 | 44 | 95 |
| 2008 | 20 | A+-AA | 4.31 | 19 | 18 | 94.0 | 82 | 7 | 52 | 115 |
| 2008 | 20 | A+ | 4.08 | 15 | 14 | 79.1 | 65 | 5 | 41 | 102 |
| 2008 | 20 | AA | 5.52 | 4 | 4 | 14.2 | 17 | 2 | 11 | 13 |
| 2009 | 21 | A+-AA | 4.62 | 14 | 13 | 60.1 | 42 | 3 | 55 | 70 |
| 2009 | 21 | A+ | 2.18 | 6 | 5 | 33.0 | 16 | 2 | 22 | 36 |
| 2009 | 21 | AA | 7.57 | 8 | 8 | 27.1 | 26 | 1 | 33 | 34 |
| 2010 | 22 | AA-A+-A | 2.23 | 24 | 0 | 32.1 | 18 | 0 | 12 | 43 |
| 2010 | 22 | A | 0.00 | 5 | 0 | 8.0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 14 |
| 2010 | 22 | A+ | 5.40 | 8 | 0 | 10.0 | 10 | 0 | 7 | 14 |
| 2010 | 22 | AA | 1.26 | 11 | 0 | 14.1 | 8 | 0 | 2 | 15 |
| 5 Seasons | 3.99 | 88 | 53 | 306.2 | 234 | 18 | 188 | 360 | ||
| AA (3 seasons) | 5.43 | 23 | 12 | 56.1 | 51 | 3 | 46 | 62 | ||
| A+ (3 seasons) | 3.68 | 29 | 19 | 122.1 | 91 | 7 | 70 | 152 | ||
| A (2 seasons) | 2.86 | 23 | 18 | 94.1 | 62 | 8 | 47 | 109 | ||
| Rk (1 season) | 5.88 | 13 | 4 | 33.2 | 30 | 0 | 25 | 37 | ||
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greinke has too much baggage anyway. after his first bad start for us mcc would rip him so hard, hed get himself to a nunnery… tis true.
by Headhunter Rollins on Dec 19, 2010 11:19 AM PST via mobile reply actions
That doesn’t sound like us at all.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
Plus, going to a nunnery would do nothing to alleviate the ripping.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 19, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
Would you post on the nunnery blog ?
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Where is Dan Burkhart going to play ?
What if I came here for Eucharist?
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
/standing ovation for both religous themed sarcasm comments.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Where is Dan Burkhart going to play ?
:(
someone with more free time than sense.
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by shanghaijim on Dec 20, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
i dont feel like playing today. It’s been a difficult few days.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on Dec 20, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
Aplogies Jim…no disrespect intended. I was involved in some religous “discussions” this past weekend and I’m still in sarcasm mode.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Where is Dan Burkhart going to play ?
Man, I hope this “baggage” isn’t referring to his depression and anxiety struggles…
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Dec 19, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
He overpacks for every trip he makes. It is a huge issue.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 19, 2010 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
The Giants DO have a notoriously small airplane. Bochy has to sit on the wing ‘cause his head don’t fit.
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Ask me about my... Machine.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Dec 19, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
I think the Giants stole the Phillies’ jumbo jet after Game 6.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 19, 2010 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
So now it’s CAIN + FIELDER!
"I can't very well tell my batters, 'Dont hit it to him.' Wherever they hit it, he's there anyway."
- NY Mets manager Gil Hodges on Willie Mays
There are currently two Cains in the Major Leagues, and two more in the Minors. Just think of the possibilities for three-or-four-way trades!
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
Now if we could just get some Abels…..
"I can't very well tell my batters, 'Dont hit it to him.' Wherever they hit it, he's there anyway."
- NY Mets manager Gil Hodges on Willie Mays
The Metropolitans had a minor league pitcher named Nick Abel.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
How old is he?
Someone should sign him :p.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
…who they’ve apparently released:
http://www.nyfuturestars.com/pitchers.php?player=nick_abel
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
According to b-r
There are TWO Abel De Los Santoses, both of whom came into the minors this year….both of whom played in the Dominincan Summer League….both of whom had 1.85 ERAs….and both of whom were born in the DR in 1992.
Their other details are different, or I’d suspect it was an error: different teams, one was born in May and one in November, one had a 9-1 record, one was 3-3…
Still, I’m a little frightened.
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Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
We should trade for one of them...
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
When will Seth get some love?
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Matt Cain
Third best Cain at best.
Kids in the back seat cause accidents. Accidents in the back seat cause kids.
God damnit AL
Stop sending your pitchers to the NL
That sucks… we definitely could’ve traded Belt/Wheeler for a guy like Greinke who’s under control for 2 years and could compete with Lincecum for the top spot.
Oh, Belt might have made a deal, but that would be insane. You shouldn’t trade six years at a position of need to replace a league-average starter with a very good starter.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 19, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Random hypothetical
Would you do Belt for Greinke + Fielder?
My Adopted Giant
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
if we hadn't just won the World Series, yes
but since TSFGWT2010WS, fuck no.
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Dec 19, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
Huh?
It’s not like Belt played any part in winning the WS.
My Adopted Giant
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
yep, this.
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Dec 19, 2010 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
I just want to win always
Greinke and Fielder would be worth ~ 15 WAR over their combined contracts. 15 WAR is a lot to ask from the first 6 years of a 1B prospect.
My Adopted Giant
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
In that scenario, you only get Fielder for a year unless you want to resign him, and given the FO’s aversion to Pablo’s weight, I would figure they would not be interested in him long-term.
Me, I wouldn’t do it.
Uhh... what just happened?
Ask me about my... Machine.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Dec 19, 2010 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
SIGH
re-sign NOT resign!!!!!!
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
DONT TELL US WHAT TO DO WITH OUR DASHES!!
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 7:06 PM PST up reply actions
Who do you think you are? The clean version of bondslegend?
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I’m the anti-christ. Who do you think YOU are?
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 7:20 PM PST up reply actions
You dash conservationists piss me off. The problems we’re having with dash overpopulation are your fault – all your fault.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2010 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
/hangs head
at least my spelling is sufficient, even if i am a “non-caps” person
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 7:26 PM PST up reply actions
What a rediculous thing to say!
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2010 7:28 PM PST up reply actions
(sorry… couldn’t help myself!)
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2010 7:28 PM PST up reply actions
you will learn, in time, young Jedi
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 7:32 PM PST up reply actions
I miss giant4life81.
Less pedantic.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 19, 2010 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
was there really a Giant4life81
i need a more original username
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
actually, it was Howie who was overly concerned with the dashes, not me :)
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
You can’t mean me — I’m totally pedantic.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 20, 2010 9:51 AM PST up reply actions
oh, this Giantfan… we’ve been conspiring to trick you all
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
Giantfan is more petty than me.
Isn’t that right, buddy?
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
Then I’d trade Greinke and Fielder for more prospects. Probably end up trading Belt for six or seven guys, three or four of whom are B+/A- guys.
Ain't no Posey like a Buster Posey cause a Buster Posey don't stop...hitting.
Giants baseball: We're stupid enough to WIN that (TM)
yep, you pretty obviously have to do that trade
by kingofthacove on Dec 19, 2010 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
Actually Belt is a non-starter in a deal. They’ve got Moose, Hosmer, and Wil Myers coming up, ALL of whom are probably 1B or DH, with the outsidiest possibility of playing some other corner. They have Billy Butler on the squad for whom 1B is a stretch. They’ve got Alex Gordon, Kila Ka’aihue. They’ve got corner prospects coming out of their ears. The last thing in the world they needed to get for Greinke was a 1B prospect. That’s just silly.
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by homegrowntalent on Dec 19, 2010 11:29 AM PST via mobile reply actions
The Royals’ haul seems pretty underwhelming to me.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
I’m guessing that Escobar is some sort of defensive wizard, though, because BA had him as a Top 15 prospect despite poor offensive numbers and not even being all that young.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
It depends on what you think of Escobar. I think he’s a plus-plus-defender who can hit .280/.340/.400 or so, which is something the Royals will love to have when the Colon/Moustakas/Hosmer group is ready to go.
But if you think he’s not going to be more than he 60 OPS+ guy he was last year, then, yeah. Yuck.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 19, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
I don't know much about Escobar
But you’re projecting him as increasing his minor league walk rate by something like 50% and his ISO by almost 40 points. I guess his 2008/2009 minor league numbers are more in line with that, but half of that’s in the PCL.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
I’m not a good prospector or a very scientific one, but I figure that what an age-appropriate player hits in AA or AAA is close to his ceiling in the majors.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 19, 2010 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
fair enough
And it does look like he got BABIPed last year (.264).
FWIW, though, Bill James’s 2011 projection: .272 / .318 / .364.
On the other hand, Cain’s .306 / .348 / .415 in 2010 came with a .370 BABIP.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
kinda
I’m not going to shed any tears about not trading for Greinke when there was no trade for an SS. But:
I also like how there was no way the Giants could have come up with a comparable offer.
I don’t like that, because it means there aren’t very many young/cost controlled players in the system not named Belt or Wheeler that other teams want, or much tradeable depth anywhere but in the bullpen. That makes for a thin bench.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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by natteringnabob on Dec 19, 2010 11:42 AM PST reply actions
I was more writing that the Giants don’t have a majors-ready shortstop and a centerfield prospect of note.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 19, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
HOW DARE YOU UNDERRATE BRANDON CRAWFORD AND FRANCISCO PEGUERO!
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
Umm…Manny Burress and Gray Brown. Duh?
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
I AM PAT BURRELLZ'Z DADDY! (wait, that doesn't sound right)
Job 1:14-15
you want we should trade
and
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
Yes, for Grienke. Yes.
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
I AM PAT BURRELLZ'Z DADDY! (wait, that doesn't sound right)
Job 1:14-15
*Gary, Duh?
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
I AM PAT BURRELLZ'Z DADDY! (wait, that doesn't sound right)
Job 1:14-15
psst
One more correction and you’re there!
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
DAMMIT!
*Burriss! Duh!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
I AM PAT BURRELLZ'Z DADDY! (wait, that doesn't sound right)
Job 1:14-15
/goes to sleep for a long, long time.
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
I AM PAT BURRELLZ'Z DADDY! (wait, that doesn't sound right)
Job 1:14-15
BIGBONED GOTTA GO!
JCB9 IS UNRATED
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
I find it a bit surprising,
since Greinke had a pretty stiff no-trade clause. Why wouldn’t he hold out for a trade to a team a bit higher in the food chain?
The Brewers should be pretty good, and he supposedly loves the city. Plus, he’s not that far away from free agency anyway.
Thing A
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he supposedly loves the city<
And we’ll do it our way, yes, our way
Make all our dreams come true
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
Milwaukee is going to be pretty good now
They went from basically no pitching outside of Gallardo to a really good staff
And their offense is still intact.
Greinke, Gallardo, Marcum is pretty scary
don't forget the dreaded Randy Wolf
dude two-hits World Series champions
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Dec 19, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
I may have to make the two-hour drive south this season.
While I’d prefer to see them play the Dodgers, I’m not even sure that’s a dealbreaker at this point.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 19, 2010 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
from Cot's
limited no-trade protection:
may block deals to 20 clubs in 2009, 2010
may block deals to 15 clubs in 2011
Of course, it doesn’t say what those teams are.
Even if the Brewers were one, maybe he just really wanted to get out of Kansas City and to a team that would at least give him some run support (the Brewers scored about 75 more runs than the Royals last year despite no DH).
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
His no-trade list included.....
basically every team on both coasts, and any other city that had even a mid-sized media market.
by Stoned Slacker on Dec 19, 2010 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
Isn’t he the one that requested the trade?
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 19, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
Doesn't he have, like, manic depressive disorder or something?
That’s why the Yankees didn’t want him.
Life is not about this Dirty Sanchez
Social anxiety I believe.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 20, 2010 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
In my 2010 The Show season, in which I play as the Orioles (dont judge me)..
..the giants traded Sandoval to KC for Grienke. Even though that trade doesnt make much for us it still is cool to keep track of that rotation.
Its funny because f*** the dodgers
Freak
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 20, 2010 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 19, 2010 11:50 AM PST reply actions
I'm surprised KC couldn't have gotten at least one can't miss prospect out of Greinke
Cain and Escobar fill needs up the middle for KC, but neither of them are very exciting. The two pitching prospects are definitely projects.
KC got DaytonMoore’d again?
I don't think this is going to work ou that well for the Brewers
Greinke has had one good year and a bunch of average or subpar ones. I beileve he is moving to a less friendly ballpark and division. Am I mistaken?
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Dec 19, 2010 12:42 PM PST reply actions
"good year"
was pretty legendary. His career trajectory isn’t a whole lot different than our own Matt Cain.
by Stoned Slacker on Dec 19, 2010 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
that’s a decent comparison. while greinke has better peripherals and consequently a better WAR, they’re projected to put up similar results.
would you guys trade Cain for that package if we were rebuilding?
by kingofthacove on Dec 19, 2010 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe, maybe not.
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Cain has a great defense behind him, Greinke a terrible one. If they’re putting up the same ERA’s, Greinke is significantly better.
Greinke is among the top pitchers in the game
Cain is great, but he’s a #2, not a #1.
I don’t think Cain’s one of the very elite pitchers in baseball but he’s definitely in the top 30, which by definition would make him a #1.
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Dec 19, 2010 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
what does it mean?
it seems like it pretty much by definition means “top 30 starter in MLB”
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Unless one of those teams is the Greinke-less Royals, another is the Yankees, and another has Lincecum and Cain.
Not all #1 starters are top-30 material.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 19, 2010 7:54 PM PST up reply actions
what?
If you’re talking about a pitcher, IMO, if you say “he’s #1 material” or some such, that means the same thing as saying “he’s a top 30 starter”
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I disagree
I take it as meaning, he’s good enough to be the best starter on a good team. And ‘good’ to me doesn’t just mean ‘a whisker above average’. So to me, ‘#1 starter’ means ‘top-ten or so’.
why would you think that?
and there are good teams with bad pitching staffs.
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the #30 starter in MLB (min 100 IP)
had a FIP of 3.54.
If that’s not a decent ‘best’ starter to you, you have ludicrously high standards.
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What?
No. Not in most neighborhoods.
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by gallo del cielo on Dec 19, 2010 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
quod erat, of course
He was something like #15 in MLB by Viliphied’s metric in 2010.
So are you saying that if a pitcher has one amazing FIP season that is out of line with the rest of his career, we shouldn’t take that year to be necessarily a great guide to a players skill level?
I’m sure you see where I’m going with that.
Also, this.
by sarf_london_niner on Dec 20, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
Andy Pettite is a #1? Yuck. How bad have the Yankees been defensively?
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Dec 20, 2010 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
Well, in general, sure.
I was saying more in general. A team’s #1 starter may not be their best starter (if, for example, you’re shielding a young stud), but at the same time, a team’s #1 starter may not be top-30 material, either.
The difference is whether you parse that statement as “#1 starter” or with the inclusion of “a team’s,” I guess.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 19, 2010 8:02 PM PST up reply actions
Not necessarily
The 30th best starter in the majors will be a #2 on the vast majority of team, so you could argue he’s a #2. Some define “#1 material” as someone you’d expect to be the best on his team, not just someone who could plausibly be the best on his team.
I forgot, Cain is only as good as his xFIP says he is.
according to BR:
Cain vs Greinke
2008: 3.9 – 4.2
2009: 4.0 – 9.2
2010: 2.4 – 2.9
Obviously if Greinke is closer to his 2009, he’s a better pitcher, but increasing his K/9 by 2, and having career best BB/9 and HR/FB seemed to come out nowhere. He regressed back to what he’s always been this year.
by kingofthacove on Dec 19, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
Wow, I somehow completely messed up those numbers
Cain vs Greinke
2008: 4.0 – 4.2
2009: 5.0 – 9.0
2010: 3.9 – 2.4
by kingofthacove on Dec 19, 2010 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
fangraphs WAR, of course, paints a totally different picture...
2008: 4.9 vs. 3.7
2009: 9.4 vs. 3.5
2010: 5.2 vs. 4.0
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I'll take the guy doing it with velocity in front of a terrible defense
I love Matt Cain, but I love Greinke more.
Viz:
I think Greinke’s a little better. I do not think there’s a significant difference between the two though. I definitely don’t consider Greinke to be on the level of Lincecum, Doc, and Lee, mostly because he was suddenly so much better in 2009 than in the rest of his career. If he did it again last year, sure, but he just reverted back to being the same pitcher (of course that’s still “very good”).
by kingofthacove on Dec 19, 2010 3:09 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure...
I would put Lee on the level of Doc and Lincecum. Not that he’s bad, I just see a gap between them. Someone feel free to prove me wrong.
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Though any of those 4 would be awesome as a #1 guy
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Really?
Maybe I’m being too high on Lincecum…but I immediately rank him ahead of Lee. Lee doesn’t even have “experience” going for him because he didn’t actually become OMG CLIFF LEE!, until 2008.
Halladay is hard to compare to anyone, especially Lincecum, simply because he’s been so good for so damned long.
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Lee has three great years; Lincecum has two slightly greater years sandwiched between two less great years. Lincecum has age on his side, Lee has not losing 3 MPH off his fastball on his side. It’s close.
If you’re knocking off 2007 for Lee you have to knock it off for Timmy too…In any case, I’ll still take Timmy, but it probably is closer than I think.
On a side note, where does Cleveland’s park fall on the pitcher or hitter friendly scale?Just wondering because the difference in Lee’s performance in Seattle versus Texas is pretty big. Could it have been partially a park thing?
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Cleveland is pretty neutral. Lee was also great in Philadelphia, which has a tougher park than Texas.
True.
But he wasn’t there for long.
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He was only in Texas for 3 games longer than he was in Philadelphia.
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And 30 more innings. In any case…I was making two unrelated points.
The first was simply that there was a big jump between his numbers in Seattle and his numbers in Texas. I wasn’t paying much attention to him after he left Seattle, so I’m not sure if this was due to the change in parks or something else. But the change in park is a possibility.
My second point was well…just that he hasn’t spent much time in Philly. Not much more to it.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Yeah, the issue is that Fangraphs doesn’t credit Cain for being one of the best pitchers in the league at inducing weak flyballs (specifically, it’s excluded from FIP’s formuila). On the other hand, BR’s Total Zone does take into account these things, so it’s less likely to sell a pitcher like Cain short.
by kingofthacove on Dec 19, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
actually, there's not much of a difference in Cain's numbers b-r vs. Fangraphs, aside from 2009
2008: 4.0 vs. 3.7
2009: 5.0 vs. 3.5
2010: 3.9 vs. 4.0
The difference, I’d argue, is that b-r’s forumla is underrating Greinke massively in 2010. I’m not clever at math or anything, but I’d assume that has to do with Kansas City’s wretched defense.
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BR does seem to be more in line with actual results. I would also guess that BR doesn’t think as much of the Royals defense in regards to its negative effect on Greinke than Fangraphs does.
Regarding Cain’s WAR: the results aren’t too different, but BR rates him better relatively. He’s been a top 8-12 pitcher in the NL every year for the past three, meaning he is a #1 caliber pitcher.
FIP just doesn’t seem that reliable to me. I don’t think you can just say a pitcher isn’t “responsible” for every hit that isn’t a HR.
by kingofthacove on Dec 19, 2010 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
There was a good article I read a week or so ago
that made a really great argument for using rWAR over fWAR for pitchers, mostly because fWAR uses FIP, which while it’s better than runs allowed for projecting future performance, it’s much worse at describing past results.
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depends
are you asking “who had a better season” or “who’s likely to have a better season next year”?
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If we were rebuilding, hadn’t won a world series with Cain, there was no way we could keep Cain when he hit free agency in two years, and we had really good prospects at a lot of positions but not SS, CF and not too much depth in pitching prospects? Yea, I probably would.
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"career trajectory" similar to the beloved Matt Cain???
I would disagree with that assessment. Legendary is measured by what happens in the post season. If Greinke is opposed to the pressure of playing in large markets and wants to join the witness protection program and go into hiding in Milwaukee, then great. But I will stick with Matt and his testicular fortitude for the way he came up big down the stretch and into the post season. Similarly, I like what MadBum did in the playoff and WS Game 4. Regular season stats don’t tell the whole story.
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by Penitentiary Face on Dec 19, 2010 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
NL Central is the weakest division in baseball.
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No way
Everybpdy on the East Coast (especially in NY and Bristol, Conn.) knows it’s the NL West.
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Not a chance
AL Eastbay chumps (and their SoCal Lonestar posse) know which side of the bay the trophy sits.
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His "subpar" year last year..
Was good enough for a 5.2 WAR. 11th best in the majors.
Number 12 is a guy you may know. Tim Lincecum with a 5.1 WAR.
4.9 WAR in 2008 and 5.2 WAR in 2010 = average or subpar? Wow. That’s….absurd.
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2010 is 2.4.
I know he was awesome in 2009. But other than that he gives up a hit an inning. Has good control and gets a decent number of Ks. While playing in a division that has one great hitters park, 2 bad ones and an average one. He is moving to a division that has four hitters parks and an average one. This is all based on memory, though. I know that Wrigley isn’t always a hitters park, but I believe over the long haul it is. I know that Houston and Cinci and Milwaukee are great for hitters. St. Louis plays average, right?
I don’t think he is a bad pitcher by any means. I do think that if you take 2009 out of the equation he doesn’t look nearly as shiny. If he does something great like that again I will become a believer.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Dec 19, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
he's going by b-r WAR
….which, as far as I can tell, seems to rank EVERYONE has much, much worse than Fangraphs does.
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Not everyone
B-R uses RA with a defensive adjustment and a few other quirks. fWAR is FIP-based.
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maybe not everyone
But every time I’ve compared a player between the two, they’re a lot worse in b-r’s WAR. Maybe it’s a SSS thing.
I’ve looked up more position players than pitchers in this way, though.
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I think B-R's replacement level is higher than Fangraphs
Tom Tango had a thread on this subject a little while ago, but I can’t seem to find it right now.
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Thread found
And it begins with a blurb about Panda.
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yes
position players will usually have a little lower rWAR than fWAR, due to differences in defense and replacement levels, but you see HUGE differences when comparing pitchers.
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can’t find an average but for the past year, BR had 96 2+ WAR pitchers while FG had 73.
by kingofthacove on Dec 19, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
So how come I don't hear much about Cody Ross signing yet?
Is his agent still selling his wares around or did I miss something?
Giants have tendered an offer so Cody is still under team control
Cody can go for arbitration. He’s said that he’s done arbitration twice with the Marlins and he detests the whole process. Right now is the Holidays break and it’s likely that the real negotiating will get done when the front office gets busy in January. Same for Torres and the other six or so guys who were tendered contracts. Everybody’s being laid back for the Yule.
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I think the NL is gonna win the next two WS
The Giants will repeat
I don’t know the other one ha
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LOL NL CLOWNBALL!!!!!
How many of the baseball’s top 10 pitchers are now in the AL? 3? 2?
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This.
They should really just not have an AL Cy Young next year and give the NL two…
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Sabathia
Um …
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Sabathia seems like a top 10 pitcher to me
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so who would folks put in the top 10
Lincecum, Hernandez, Lee, Halladay, Greinke, Sabathia, Lester, Wainwright…who
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In no particular order:
Halladay
Wainwright
Lee
Lincecum
Greinke
Sabathia
Lester
Johnson (Josh)
Hernandez
10th is a bit of a tossup, either Verlander or Jimenez for me.
Verlander is really intersting – his numbers have been fantastic the past two years, but his ERA has “only” been very good. Part of it is a high BABIP (I don’t know how’s Detroit’s defense), but most of it is just that he’s had really high AVG’s with RISP. If we assume that’s just luck (as we generally do with hitters), then he’s a ~3 ERA pitcher in the AL, which is definitely top-10.
SL
Josh Johnson and Jimenez probably fill out that top 10 for me. I actually might pull Greinke out and put David Price in. (Even though I can’t believe a guy who throws so many fastballs gets the Blue Jays, Yanks and Red Sox out so easily)
Johann Santana, as well. I mean, he is not putting up sub 1.00 WHIP’s anymore, but he is still a damn good pitcher. He is probably on the next tier, I just think he gets forgotten about. If Cliff Lee hadn’t had his magical postseason run, you could definitely argue that Santana is a better pitcher.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Dec 20, 2010 6:00 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah
He is obviously effective and it is obviously a great pitch.
Besides Mariano I haven’t seen a guy rely on one pitch so much. I watched him pitch against the Yanks last year and he almost exclusively threw that pitch. It wasn’t like they were just beating it into the ground either, there was a lot of swinging and missing going on.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Dec 20, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
I was never a great hitter, but since I played tennis against people much better than I, velocity never scared me. But I think that pitch might scare me a little: it’s not the 95, it’s the 95 with movement. Yeesh.
I live in Durham, NC and got to watch Price warm up from literally 5 feet away. As a LH hitter, I can’t even imagine trying to hit him.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Dec 20, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
I love watching great pitchers throw up close. Jonathan Sanchez’s bullpens in sunlight on one of his ‘on’ games? Not only could I not hit either of his good pitches, I’m not sure I could catch them.
Bully for him. I hope things work out well for him.
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Lol pretty good. My semester is almost over (in like 24 hours) and I think I got all A's and B's.
I may have even learned!
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Well, that sounds like a good day. Almost learning is as good as having actually learned something these days.
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You gotta be careful, a little knowledge could be dangerous.
I joke though. I did learn. I learned that I want to have a career in writing. I learned how to be happy when there’s no one around to make me happy. I found ways to spend my day. I heard many different perspectives and improved my writing.
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That’s great. Just earlier today, I was thinking about how much my life has improved in the last month or so, somewhat along the same lines you’re describing.
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That's good to hear!
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Oh?
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Something about wiseguy couplets.
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All the possible “wiseguy” references and you go Stooges? What are you, a college-age straight male?
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Where does one find these depth charts?
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yahoo! mlb team pages
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by atxgiantsfan on Dec 19, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
Thank you.
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Overrated position.
The balls never go there anyway.
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//Chase Utley fields it!
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Trade for Mujica and others, I think
Maybe in late November, early December
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by Gobroks on Dec 20, 2010 5:23 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
There are lots of 35 year old 1st base stop gaps out there, though.
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Also, this is outdated. Where is O-dawg?
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Hudson will be a nice addition for the Friars if he can manage to stay healthy.
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Does Kyle Blanks still exist?
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If you can't get a good haul for Greinke
Then you should be exiled
I’m slightly baffled by this interpretation – it seems like a pretty pathetically small haul for Greinke to me – but it seems to be shared by a number of people.
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Escobar seems like a valuable commodity to me. The average shortstop last year hit around .262/.320/.375; normalize Escobar’s babip from last year and he’s practically there already, and he’s young enough that he’s likely to get better. The glove is superb and he’s under team control for five more years.
The other guys are all lottery tickets, but sometimes those hit. Considering that they pretty much HAD to trade Greinke, I think they did fine.
I think you could make a pretty strong argument that the Royals got more for Greinke than all three of the teams that have traded Cliff Lee in the last 1.5 years have gotten cumulatively. It may seem paltry, but it just seems really really difficult right now to get prospect hauls out of major leaguers. There’ve been a couple headscratchers in the last few years (mostly Bedard and Casey Blake) but most people hang on to their prospects really to a fault I think at this point.
Also, of course, there’s the major problem that nobody really matched up well with them for what they wanted (there’s not a particularly good SS prospect anywhere in the minors right now above low A ball, and even that’s not really eye-popping), and talent in the minors is generally speaking at a low ebb right now. And of course, Greinke himself just took away their “we can afford to wait” leverage by letting it be known that he was demanding a trade.
All in all, I gotta agree with Evan this was a pretty decent trade in the end.
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by Roger on Dec 19, 2010 6:53 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
what the heck?
About Jeffries:
He failed multiple drug tests before drawing a 50-game suspension for testing positive for marijuana near the end of the 2007 season. After another positive test last June (09) he received a 100-game penalty that carries over into the 2010 season and leaves him one more strike away from a lifetime ban
obviously
He’s high on this trade.
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 19, 2010 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
Why does baseball even test for marijuana? It’s not performance-enhancing.
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by shanghaijim on Dec 20, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
Touché
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
I'm not quite as high on this trade for the Royals as you guys are.
I’m not quite sure Escobar will translate to the majors as anything more than an average SS, with a good glove, a poor bat, and little bit of VROOM. Lorenzo Cain appears to have good potential, but, at best, he’ll be a solid leadoff hitter. Jeffress is tainted by his numerous drug offenses, and, even if he straightens his life out, he’ll be a middle reliever. I really don’t see the upside that the Royals are getting for trading Greinke. As a GM, I’d expect to get someone (or multiple someones) with extremely high ceilings, not above average prospects who will likely be decent, considering I’m trading one of the best pitchers in the game.
that may be true
But that doesn’t really excuse Moore, just means he should be blamed in different ways. I think it was clear to pretty much everyone that Greinke would be traded sooner or later – they should’ve pulled the trigger before he demanded a trade and thus lost value.
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Also Odorizzi has some upside with good K numbers...
but he’s a long way from the majors and hasn’t really been on the prospect radar. Also, TINSTAAPP
Singletary wouldn't go for it.
He doesn’t like that style of play. Now that he’s going to get fired, the Niners might draft a Vick type (Newton) for better or, more likely, for worse.
Isn't he still under contract after the season, though?
The Redskins would have to eat a lot of salary to release/trade him.
He can become an unrestricted option if the Redskins don’t pick up his option this offseason.
by kingofthacove on Dec 19, 2010 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
no to McNabb
A.Smith has been better this year…
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why not just try to sign a Mike Vick type like Mike Vick?
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Moore is awful and this a bad trade for the Royals
BTW, Greinke is significantly better than his ERA suggests – the Royal’s defense is a joke.
I think the Yankees would have given up Montero, but I’m not sure that Grienke would go there. Under the circumstances, I think a (possible) two- or three-win shortstop is a good starting point for a deal.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 19, 2010 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
And the Royals defense is (was?) certainly a joke, but the K-rate drop is a little troublesome, no?
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 19, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
The K-rate did go down, but his groundball rate went way up, so I think he just changed his approach (like Cain), rather than actually lost stuff. He hasn’t lost any velocity, either, FWIW, and, at the end of the day, his FIP was better than it was in both in 2008 and in 2007 (adjusted for league average, it’s about the same). 2009 was obviously much better.
He’s got a 132 ERA+ in the 4 years since returning from his year on the DL, and that’s with the Royals’ defense. He’s only 8 months older than Lincecum, and signed for 2/13. He’s really, really valuable.
According to this, he could block 15 (!) teams, including the Yankees. I really don’t have a problem with the Brewers deal now.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 19, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
according to Cot's
He could block 20 teams in 2009-2010 and 15 teams in 2011.
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Yes it applied to the Yankees according to the MLB channel. This is becoming more of a common contract clause regarding the Yanks.
The explanation has less to do with players’ disdain for the NY Yankees and more to do with leverage. The Yankees are one of the more active organizations acquiring talent that agents have become wise and have built in no trade clauses specifically naming the Yankees so if/when the Yanks come calling, the coveted player gains some leverage to have the “pot sweetened” in order to make the deal happen.
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by Penitentiary Face on Dec 19, 2010 5:22 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, Moore was in a very weird and tough spot – a player who demands a trade but has a no-trade clause that he’s prepared to use. I also might be underrating Escobar – is his glove as good as advertised? I don’t think I saw a single Brewers game last year, and his defensive stats are all average in a small sample. I don’t think he can hit, though.
So yeah, I’m not being fare to Moore. Still, it’s a bit hard to believe they couldn’t do better. I guess we’ll never know.
I wonder about Betancourt, though
Which side wanted him added to the deal? Logically it would be the Royals, but Moore traded a prospect for him just a year ago, and since then he’s done exactly what you’d expect him to do – what changed his mind?
A year of relentless mockery and derision from almost all corners?
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I would guess the Royals
Just because they had to eat part of his contract
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by Gobroks on Dec 20, 2010 5:30 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yankee stadium is the 9th ring in Grienke’s hell, I’m sure of it. I had hoped the A’s would pull something out and land him. The Quiet Coliseum seems like the perfect environment for him. A’s probably could have offered something similar to the Brewers, too.
Sure love the NL Cred right now, though.
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The Brewers defense won't help him too much
Fielder, Yuni, McGehee (IIRC he’s subpar on D), Braun, Hart…
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by Gobroks on Dec 20, 2010 5:28 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I have to agree with the majority of the posters, this is definitely a better trade for the Brewers than the Royals, at least at first glance. To get Greinke and not give up a top top prospect (like a Belt), hmmm. I wonder what the Yankees or other teams were offering?
Escobar was considered a top 15 prospect before last season
by kingofthacove on Dec 19, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think it matters what the Yankees offered.
I thought it was pretty clear he wouldn’t approve a trade to a big market.
Life is not about this Dirty Sanchez
I don't think the Yankees had what they wanted anyways.
Their biggest trade chip is Montero, and KC doesn’t really have a use for him.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
?
Isn’t Jason Kendall their starting catcher?
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Montero’s a catcher like Feliz is a catcher, supposedly.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 19, 2010 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
I know he's supposed to suck defensively
But I’m sure a year of playing him their would be worth Not Jason Kendall.
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They also have Wil Myers as a catching prospect who might have to move off the position
Plus a boatload of 1B/DH types.
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Myers is years away. Montero is not a bad catcher now, nor will he likely be over the next few years, it’s just that he has average D at best now and will most likely grow out of being a starting catcher 5 years from now because of his size, wear-and-tear on his body, and his valuable bat.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
I get the impression that Montero would be able to stick back there for a couple of seasons
But then he’d have to get moved off.
Aaron King, please pitch better.
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I don’t totally understand this. Escobar had an awful year but he was about as high or higher on most prospect lists going into last season as Belt will be this season.
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reporting that the Brewers also got Yuniensky in the trade?
Life is not about this Dirty Sanchez
random
I was just looking up the draft picks between Stephen Strasburg and Zack Wheeler, to see how they’ve been doing.
The only one who’s been particularly good so far is Tony Sanchez: .312 / .413 / .494 – including a .314 / .416 / .454 line in half a season in High-A. Considering he was pretty much just a signability/cost-control pick, I wouldn’t have predicted that….
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Last time the Pirates lost fewer than 95 games: 2004.
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by jcb9 on Dec 19, 2010 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
also, I see Matzek had a good debut in the Sally League
…except for walking 62 guys in 89 innings. Yikes!
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He also lost some velocity
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by Gobroks on Dec 20, 2010 5:32 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
But the guys below Wheeler have done well
Mike Minor, Mike Leake, Drew Storen, Alex White, Mike Trout
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Giants don't have the up the middle players to possibly have made a run at this
Cain and Escobar can really go get the ball, but this doesn’t really seem like much of a haul. I was also looking forward to watching Jeffress in Nashville this year. Another report says Jake Odorizzi as well. That’s nice and deep in high upside pitching and sounds a little better. The rumors were that Kansas City:
1. didn’t need MLB-ready talent
2. wanted up the middle players
3. wanted right-handed pitching
It looks like they got right-handed pitchers who aren’t ready, though Jeffress is pretty close if he ends up a reliever and stops getting suspended. And they got up the middle talent that is young enough to stay cheap when the Hosmer, Moustakas, Montgomery, Lamb, Duffy, Myers parade arrives. Not too shabby for Kansas City.
Kansas City shipping off Betancourt kind of makes me laugh. The package is far from underwhelming like the Sox/Padres one, but while it lacks a certain sizzle to it, getting rid of Yuniesky Betancourt and his salary is a significant move both in symbolic value (because he’s fucking terrible) and financial (because KC paid a lot more money than the zero dollars they should have for that terrible player).
by ThePasswordisWillieMcgee on Dec 19, 2010 2:41 PM PST reply actions
Who is the shortstop for the Brewers now?
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Oh, Betancourt. Duh. I wonder who plays CF for them, though.
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Gomez?
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Buster Posey: The Triforce of Wisdom
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I heard they were going with a Gomez/Chris Dickerson platoon
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by Gobroks on Dec 20, 2010 5:33 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Timmy at a Seahawks game.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
And yet they have a pretty good chance at hosting a playoff game.
Go figure.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
Do the Giants have to lose to help the 49ers win? I'm fuzzy on this.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 19, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
If the 49ers win their last two games, they are in the playoffs.
That’s all they have to do: beat the Rams and the Cardinals.
Nothing else has to happen.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
The Cardinals I'll give them. I think.
The Rams might be more than they can handle, though.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 19, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
They beat them once already this season, and the Rams aren’t actually that good a team (they will be, no doubt, but they aren’t yet). It’s hardly a shoe-in for the 49ers, but it’s very possible.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2010 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
Seems like that game is going to determine the division, in looking at it. 49ers should beat Arizona and the Rams should beat Seattle in week 17.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 19, 2010 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
*shoo-in
(apologies for the pedantry)
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 19, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
I thought shoe-in looked weird. I almost never use that phrase.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
I always picture the after-credits bit of Ferris Bueller when I think of the verb “to shoo.”
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 19, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
The 49ers are really really bad on the road though, and the Rams are decent at home.
I seriously doubt the 49ers beat the Rams. And even if they do, and then make the playoffs, I don’t see what the real benefit is. I mean, does anyone really want a 17th crappy game from this crappy team? And if so, why?
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I always want my teams to win.
Always.
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When I watch the game on Sunday, I will root for the Niners to win and I will be disappointed/infuriated/bored (if it’s a blowout loss) if they don’t.
Right now, I can’t see what good would come from it. I really don’t want people talking about the 49ers as the only sub-.500 playoff team in NFL history.
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I don’t know why, but I’m getting sort of giddy about a playoff appearance. I know it’s stupid. There’s no benefit for the team or the fans. And yet I can’t help myself….
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2010 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
Anything can happen in the playoffs...
It’s not like the Saints completely dominated the Niners when they played at the beginning of the season.
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Dec 19, 2010 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
Anything can happen in the playoffs, except for the 49ers winning a game.
Seriously: They’ll be out of their league. Their league being the NFC West.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2010 7:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And I wish people would stop bringing up that Saints game. The Saints in week 2 is not the same thing as the Saints in the playoffs. And the 49ers in week 2 is not the same thing as the 49ers in the playoffs.
The last time the 49ers played a good team close was in early October. They haven’t been within two scores of a +.500 team since then.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2010 7:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I apologize for pulling this on you
Because I usually reserve it for posters like GRM and hokysmkswtfbbq, but if the 49ers make the playoffs, would you give me, say, 20-1 odds on them winning their first game? Because I will make that bet in a second.
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Dec 19, 2010 11:44 PM PST up reply actions
If we’re betting McCoveyBucks, sure.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 20, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
I wonder if the Niners could sign Tim Tebow using this.
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by say hey nation on Dec 20, 2010 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
Ok, let’s do it. Finally, I’ll be able to afford a MCC Premium subscription!
Also, for the record, the 49ers would likely be about 8 point underdogs to the Saints in a playoff game at Candlestick and their chances of winning would be roughly 20%.
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Dec 20, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
So I can get playoff drunk.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 19, 2010 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
Actually, Seattle has to lose at least once (in addition to today).
by kingofthacove on Dec 19, 2010 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
So the 49ers need to beat the Rams, but not so badly that they lose to Seattle?
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 19, 2010 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
If the Rams lose to the Niners, their season is pretty much over, unless the Niners manage to lose to the Cards at home.
I thought Tampa would definitely beat Seattle, but then they went and lost to Detroit today.
by kingofthacove on Dec 19, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
Detroit is actually much better than their record. They’ve had a bit of a brutal schedule mixed with a bit of brutal luck.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
Seattle is not going to beat Tampa Bay. Why do people act like this is a question?
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
Detroit won’t either, will they?
Even so, that still “has to happen” for the Niners to make it.
by kingofthacove on Dec 19, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
Don’t underestimate the Lions. That’s a good young team that’s played some pretty good football this year.
The Seahawks are pathetic in basically every way.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2010 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
Detroit put up a decent fight against the Patriots
Should have beaten the bears (LOL NFL rules)
And have numerous other tough losses. Detroit is pretty good. Probably better than every NFC West team to be honest
The Bucs are also a bit overrated this year.
But not overrated enough to lose to Seattle.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2010 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
Nah
The Bucs just got crushed by injuries.
I think inexperienced, too. I’m not trying to knock them. I just don’t think they were ready this year. And injuries never help. They should be good for a long time, though.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
It's the 2010 NFL season
Anything can, and will happen. The fact that you are automatically circling this as a loss for the seahawks is ridiculous
by BustaTheRippa on Dec 19, 2010 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
The Seahawks are awful. QED.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2010 5:02 PM PST up reply actions
It’s like when we were all wondering about a season ago if we should just hope the Giants finish last so Sabean and Bochy could be fired.
Wow, that didn’t work out did it.
someone with more free time than sense.
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Is this not what we were rooting for? That’s why I always booed Uribe. Boy am I embarrassed.
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by lincypoo i wuv u on Dec 20, 2010 4:10 AM PST up reply actions
I just saw the standings and that the 49ers could make the playoffs
It, uh, reinforced my negative perception of football.
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It’s not much different than an 82-win team going to the playoffs in baseball, really.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2010 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
How often has that happened?
I know there was probably going to be a losing team in the playoffs in 1994, but that was going to be the first time in history, the strike got in the way, and it hasn’t happened since.
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This is why I’ll really have the RAGE if they add another freaking Wild Card team, though.
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Adding another playoff team in MLB is a totally fucked up idea. It greatly devalues the accomplishments achieved in the regular season which is already longer than any of the major sports regular season.
Bud Selig can go fuck himself if he tries to cram this down the fans’ throats.
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by Penitentiary Face on Dec 19, 2010 5:33 PM PST up reply actions
It’s pretty hilarious that he complains the season is too long and then WANTS TO MAKE IT LONGER.
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OTOH, we would have welcomed the extra WC in 2009.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
It’s still a bad idea though, even if it would help my team.
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Then again
The San Francisco Giants won the World Series in 2010.
/best gift ever
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The only changes I would make would be to go back to 154 games in the regular season and make the 1st round best-of-seven. Other than that, it’s perfect.
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Dec 19, 2010 5:35 PM PST up reply actions
I’m all for the dissolution of the comissioner’s office. What good does it do?
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That’s where the in-box is located. Where else would all the reports (Mitchell, A’s relocation, etc.) go?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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by natteringnabob on Dec 20, 2010 7:27 AM PST up reply actions
Well, an 82-win team in baseball isn’t a losing team. There hasn’t ever been a losing record playoff team in football, yet.
But in baseball, the range from best to worst is the difference between around .400 to around .600. In football, it’s more like .200 to .800. The middle space is naturally a bit wilder.
They won’t win in the playoffs, though, so I don’t see what the big deal is.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
I’m just a crank who thinks that teams should have to actually be good to make the playoffs, and who was never happy with the Wild Card to begin with.
The NFL’s probably at least better than the NBA, I guess!
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Well, I don’t specifically disagree with you. I just don’t think it’s that bad in the NFL. At least, not markedly worse than other sports.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
And, I mean, in a full NFL season, only one team has made the Super Bowl with fewer than 10 regular season wins in something like the last 30 years, and that was the 9-7 Cardinals a few years ago (who still lost the big game).
This is very, very, very rare, even by NFL standards. And some 12-4 team is going to murder whichever NFC West team makes it in the first round anyway.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
mind you, I haven't actually watched a football game since about 1992 and I really have no clue what I'm talking about
It just seems fundamentally insane that a 5-9 team has a real shot at making the postseason.
I also just don’t like football, so I’m probably (okay, almost certainly!) predisposed to find fault.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
But you’ll take the Bud Selig Annual Baseball 16-Team Extravaganza Playoff Brought To You By Jell-O Pudding, and you’ll like it!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 19, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
16 teams would be fair. 18 teams would be more fair.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
I think every team should be able to play every other team at least twice and then whoever has the best record in either league plays their counterpart for the championship.
Also known as “baseball before divisions”.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
If only they had just added the PCL and a southern league, we’d have 4 leagues of 8 teams each and no stupid interleague play. Alternate reality FTW!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 19, 2010 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
Less often than it happens in football, actually.
by kingofthacove on Dec 19, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, I was just checking
There’s been 1 team who made it with 82 withs, 1 with 83, and 2 with 84.
And technically 1 with 79 and 1 with 78 – but those were in 1995, which was strike shortened. Over a 162 game season, they would’ve been projected to with 88 games a piece, give or take a few decimal points.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
In 1994, there could well have been two losing teams in the playoffs
The players’ union fixed that problem. I think the NFL players’ union should do the same.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
This is why...
I’ve given up on the NFL.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Then they can’t pick higher than 22nd or something. I’ve never rooted against a playoff berth before, but I think this is a fine time to start.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 19, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m not sure what makes you think they’d actually do something intelligent with a higher draft pick.
THE THING IS, IT HAPPENED - 11/1/10
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Dec 19, 2010 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
in this case, I’m all against the Niners getting a playoff berth.
The playoff money will go to the Yorks, who will pad their cash-stuffed beds with it.
The high draft pick would go to a QB- so which is actually better for the franchise?
We all know the answer to that one
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
Actually I think in the NFL playoff games still have the same revenue sharing arrangement as regular season games. All the TV money goes into a pot split equally between all teams.
MY DAD WAS WRONG!
oh. well, throw that half of the theory out.
i just want them to do crappy so we can finally get a competent QB…
Eddie D never would have let this happen
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
Eddie D. actually works with Jed, you know. He doesn’t control anything, but the two are in pretty constant contact.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2010 7:22 PM PST up reply actions
And I think there’s some weird conflation that goes on between “The Yorks” and “Jed York”. By all appearances, Jed is actively trying to put a good product on the field. His inexperience hurts – a lot – but he’s not his father.
I like to remind people of Eddie D.‘s first few years in charge of the team, as a young and inexperienced owner… they weren’t pretty. There’s a reason Bill Walsh took over a team that could only win two games with Bill Walsh coaching it.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2010 7:26 PM PST up reply actions
The Yorks have owned the team for like 10 years, though i think. one would think the “inexperience” would have worn off my now- it’s also possible York just isn’t a good football guy.
Eddie surrounded himself with good football people, and that’s why the Niners rocked for 17 years- he’s not in charge in SF like York is.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 7:29 PM PST up reply actions
Jed has only had control of the team for, like, two years, and he’s spent most of that time working on the stadium issue. He’s not “the Yorks”. He’s basically a new ownership, just with the same last name as the last guys.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2010 7:35 PM PST up reply actions
so no relation? i was under the impression that the Yorks son, Jed, is the GM?
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 7:36 PM PST up reply actions
You’re not understanding me. Jed York had nothing to do with front office decisions when Dr. York was the active boss. Dr. York isn’t lording over the team anymore. Jed was given control a couple of years ago. Jed was not involved in the last 10 years of 49ers football. He was involved in the last two or three (I should look up the exact day he took over). Dr. York was involved with the franchise for the years before he gave control to Jed. But he has not been involved with the franchise like that since.
Or are you exactly like your father?
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2010 7:39 PM PST up reply actions
not at all like my father- but families that own sports teams, or big businesses, sons usually follow in the footsteps of their fathers.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
im not sure how exactly I would support that statement in fact, but I can tell you that of the people I know whose families own businesses, almost all of my friends have taken over their parents businesses.
this covers maybe 9, 10 people i know
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 7:48 PM PST up reply actions
So it’s a statement based on the observation of a limited sample. Okay.
So have you also noticed Jed running the team the same way his father did?
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2010 7:50 PM PST up reply actions
ive noticed the Niners continuing to lose. but if you think they are improving, ill take your word for it
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 8:01 PM PST up reply actions
That’s a pretty weak argument, and a bit of a pot-shot.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2010 8:03 PM PST up reply actions
you're taking it wrong
im being serious. i dont follow the Niners farther than their W-L record because its gotten so depressing, so if you think they are really improving, ill take your word for it.
im not as up on my football as on my baseball. im not really trying to debate the effect Jed has had on the team, because im not knowledgeable of what exactly he has been doing.
no disrespect intended, Howie
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 8:11 PM PST up reply actions
It’s not clear that they’re improving. The team is a mess, and there are a lot of reasons for that, some of which pre-date Jed.
Laying it all at his feet is wrong. We won’t know whether he’s a net positive or negative for a little while. And his “football” inexperience certainly seemed to be at least a short-term problem.
He has done a very commendable job on getting the new stadium figured out. It’s an ongoing process, but it’s incredibly important for the team and he’s working extremely hard to make it happen.
If he learns from his mistakes and gets things cleaned up on the “football” side, the team has a bright future. As it stands, though, he’s already 10x better than his dad was for nothing other than the work he’s done on the stadium.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2010 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
i dont believe the team should be moving from SF
you made some of my original point for me, that alot of the problems with the Niners seem to pre-date Jed.
I just wish they had gotten a real football minded GM, not given the job to Jed.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 8:23 PM PST up reply actions
i realize that is somewhat contradictory, however.
The problems with the team pre-date Jed, but to fix them, I wish they had gotten an already-prepared football mind
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
I'm certainly not a close follower of the situation
but I will say Jed York sounds like he cares, and sounds like he has ideas for the team. I’d also say he doesn’t sound like a crazy Snyder/Davis type of megalomaniac. I’d like to think that will lead to, eventually, making better football decisions.
I won’t care at all once they move to SJ of course, but I’m not exactly staying up nights worrying about them now. Maybe by then the Warriors will be playing in Parking Lot A Arena and my benevolent disinterest can transfer to them.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 20, 2010 7:32 AM PST up reply actions
and your friends that all take over their parents businesses
they all run them in exactly the same manner? They don’t bring any new ideas to the table? Nothing at all about the business changes? That seems…unlikely.
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
its a GM of a sports team, most people spend years and years just getting the experience for that.
not quite the same as changing the mission statement to adjust to the changing times of the economy- for the most part, how you draft and run a team isn’t dependent on economy factors (expect for player salaries)
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 8:03 PM PST up reply actions
what?
Jed York isn’t the GM. He’s the owner. Pretty big difference.
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
i thought Jed was the son of the owners, Dr York and Eddie D’s sister
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 8:13 PM PST up reply actions
thus the term “family business.” Just because they take over the business doesn’t mean they run it the same way.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
for the good of the Niners, I hope it is run better.
they went from the best team in NFL history to scraps pretty damn quick
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 8:16 PM PST up reply actions
Counterexample:
Bill Wirtz and the Blackhawks. (A guy who refused to televise home games to prevent ticket sales from going down died resulting in his son taking over and the Hawks winning a Stanley Cup in 3 years.)
Wirtz also made his GM trade away Jeremy Roenick and Ed Belfour because he didn’t want to pay them, IIRC. That’d be like Neukom making Sabean trade Posey and Lincecum.
Dollar Bill Wirtz was so hated by Blackhawks fans, that when they held a moment of silence for his passing before a game the fans booed loudly instead.
American Heroes: Joe Pavelski, Buster Posey
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Yankee fans wish that were true
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
yeah, i dont know that hal is doing the kind of job that he needs to do as Yankees GM. there’s the Yanks, then everyone else.
everyone loves to hate the yanks. hal has to be more cutthroat
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
Hal ain't the GM.
That’s one Brian Cashman.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 19, 2010 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
hal has the final say, though.
its either a wierd offseason, or the Yanks dont seem as dominant on the market as before- maybe jsut coincidence
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 8:18 PM PST up reply actions
I hoped they would take a tougher line with Jeter, but they seem intent on keeping the “core four” around forever no matter what it does to the team. Maybe Posada will be broomed out next year, but even that’s probably two years too late.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 20, 2010 7:35 AM PST up reply actions
who even was the “core four”? Rivera, Jeter, Posada, and whos the 4th?
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by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
ahh, yes. good call
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by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
Summer. It was Ryan, Seth, Marissa and Summer.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
The ironic (yes, really, ironic!) thing is that what Eddie did when he first took over the team, was exactly what a neophyte owner should do — went out and got a veteran NFL executive with a proven record of success as a GM and put him totally in charge. Should have been a recipe for success, instead it was a crash and burn failure.
MY DAD WAS WRONG!
Eddie should be the GM. or is he not allowed to be? cause he was only banned for a year, the year in which he lost the team to his sister.
at the time, and said “The Niners are gonna be really bad for a long time”, and nobody believed me, not after 17 years of 10+ wins a season
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 7:34 PM PST up reply actions
Eddie could be the GM, but that sounds like crazy talk to me.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2010 7:37 PM PST up reply actions
why would that be crazy talk? Eddie surrounded himself with smart football people, and those people built great teams… its not to outlandish to imaing him putting the team back together
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 7:38 PM PST up reply actions
So you want to put a guy who relied on other people to build his teams in charge of building a team without other people?
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2010 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
he used good judgement in building his teams and picking his personnel, and given the complete incompetence of the team since, i wouldnt be overall opposed to it
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 7:43 PM PST up reply actions
But the GM is responsible for actually building the roster himself. That’s not what Eddie did.
This is pointless, anyway. He’d never come back as a GM. Nor should he, imo.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2010 7:45 PM PST up reply actions
no worries, thats your opinion and you are entitled to it.
and like ya said, it’s not gonna happen anyways so its a moot point
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 7:49 PM PST up reply actions
This reminds me that I have to stalk him at his condo downtown. We only have December and January until pitchers and catchers report.
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by Murray, Present on Dec 19, 2010 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
He’s downtown? Really? I kinda assumed he’d get a place on the east side (Bellevueish). Hmm…want a stalking buddy?
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
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It’s about the first 747. It also reveals the name and location of Tim Lincecum’s new home. Care of the Seattle Times.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
/goes to find fanshot
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
It’s some half-sold condo whose largest and most opulent unit is occupied by the king of Northwest parking lot rentals or something.
Personally I’d rather live in the apartment atop the pyramid of that tower downtown.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
Hey…parking is expensive.
And that pyramid thingy is cool. Though me being me…I’d probably be trying to buy out a floor of the library. That building is epic. And it has book!
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
That’s a pretty good location. I might’ve preferred one of the places around 9th instead (closer to Capitol Hill, where most of the good area bars are) but I have no idea what the actual buildings are like.
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Dec 19, 2010 8:01 PM PST up reply actions
Part of me wishes I could’ve seen a rotation of Kershaw/Greinke/Billingsley just to watch the volcanic eruption here.
The rest of me is really glad we didn’t waste the prospects on what’s likely to be a lost season anyway.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 19, 2010 3:03 PM PST reply actions
Volcanic Eruption?
Nah. Beating the team the Dodgers could beat and World Series championships have a calming influence.
Not volcanic in terms of the Dodgers.
But in terms of “good pitchers getting traded to the NL West.”
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 19, 2010 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, and you could have traded one of your MANY outfield prospects.
A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way. - SLC
Just because a part of me wishes for something doesn't mean the wish is realistic.
Like, I wish the Giants would fall into a Cubs-like streak of 0-162 seasons, but how realistic is that?
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 20, 2010 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
So,
Now Fielder definitely is not moving this offseason, at least until the deadline to see the Brew Crew are competing, right?
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I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog
THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
Cain for Cain!
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 19, 2010 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
OT
Has anyone been to the Comstock Saloon in North Beach? Is it worth venturing out in the rain for?
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
boy, such interesting things happen to the people in that trade!
Mark Davis: porn star
Chris Brown: infamous teen pop star / woman beater
Kevin Mitchell: played for the 49ers
Keith Comstock: proprietor of a saloon in North Beach.
(Amazingly, there are NO other people on wikipedia named Mark Grant)
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Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
LOL DENVER
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I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog
THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
so im talking to one of my friends from college
and shes like oh you like baseball, my best friend from home’s dad used to play baseball….and i was like really whats his name.
her response?
andres galleraga
by ir1shgiant on Dec 19, 2010 3:58 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
When we started Mister Toddler at preschool, he wore his Sandoval tee in one of his first days. The teacher looked at it, and said, ‘yeah, his daughter was in this class. She had to go home to Venezuela suddenly for some reason..’
That’s pretty cool. Pablo’s kid goes/went to school in SF?
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
Remember when he almost hit the Big Glove?
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
yeah that was the first game we played after september 11
i told her to mention that to him and that he was one of my favorite giants
I totally didn’t appreciate El Gato’s time with us. Mostly because I was young, I always thought of him as an eville ex-Rockie who was taking playing time away from JT Snow.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
Well, JT Snow is the greatest.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on Dec 19, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
J.T. Snow adoration never really made sense to me.
He was solid, and had a couple of nice years…but to me he’ll always be distantly behind Will Clark.
I guess it’s a what-generation-of-fan-are-you thing.
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Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
He played his last game when I was 3 1/2 months old, though.
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It's great as Giant fans that we can have a debate on the greatest First Baseman. Glad we had Willie Mac! Will the Thrill, JT and Willie Montanez
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by Penitentiary Face on Dec 19, 2010 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
You left at least two Hall of Famers off that list!
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But Kim Batiste was neither a 1st baseman nor a Hall of Famer.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Mark Carreon has a borderline case at best.
THE THING IS, IT HAPPENED - 11/1/10
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Dec 19, 2010 5:44 PM PST up reply actions
I STILL LOVE U MARK CARREON
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Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
Yet it was Aubrey Huff who got the ring.
Baseball!
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Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
Definitely a generational thing.
I’m sure I would have loved Will Clark, except I was born in ‘92. And while there’s no way in heck I can argue against Willie McCovey, I obviously never saw him play either.
So J.T. Snow, almost by default, becomes my personal favorite. Maybe not the best…but still my favorite.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
JT Snow was hotter than Will Clark. That’s all the “thought” necessary.
Don’t look too deeply for the causes of adulation. They’re usually very shallow.
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Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
I think I was one of very few who liked El Gato Grande more than JT, mostly BECAUSE all the girls were all about JT.
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Dec 20, 2010 4:25 AM PST up reply actions
Galarraga was a lot of fun to watch, even at his advanced/limited abilities at the time he was here. I kinda hope that Burrell has that kind of role this year, very infrequent starts and timely pinch-hit bombs.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 20, 2010 7:38 AM PST up reply actions
BEAR CHASER
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Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on Dec 20, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
He’s dreamy.
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Hey, JT’s UZR was hawt as well! He made every play at 1B while chewing gum and blowing bubbles.
Every now and then, he’d save a child from being trampled at the plate. And he never played for the stoopid Rockies.
One can’t say the same for Galarraga.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
I approve of this argument.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Actually, UZR thinks his defense was overrated: he only had one really great year by UZR (9.2 in 2003). His UZR was actually below zero 3 of his 9 years as a Giant, 1.0 a fourth year, and 2.0 a fifth.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
This makes me question UZR much more than it makes me question JT’s D.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
This.
But also…UZR would just be measuring the balls that were hit to him right? Because a lot of J.T. Snow’s defensive epicness came from being able to catch anything that was thrown at him.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
I'm not an expert
But I think it does account for “scoop,” yes. At least I remember reading that it does.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
I was happy when he took playing time away from Snow because Andres seemed to be a much better hitter than Snow.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
This.
I liked J.T., but he always seemed to be a rally killer in that 5th or 6th spot.
Andres had a cool nickname, and it’s even cooler in Spanish. El Gato Grande.
"Campeones." - Andres Torres
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by Murray, Present on Dec 19, 2010 6:06 PM PST up reply actions
Haha, this.
Looking back…well…what can you say? We were young.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Don't forget everybody
The Giants special is on at 7 pm on CSN Bay Area
East Coast Bias!!!
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Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
My guide is off too
But the CSN Bay Area website says 7
Hmmm scratch that
Well the main page says 7 but the link says 9…
DirectTV shows
a Willie Mays interview after the hockey/basketball/whatever it is game, then “Journey” at 9 PM Pacific and again at 11 PM.
by mrs. owlcroft on Dec 19, 2010 6:50 PM PST up reply actions
Washington at Ottawa hockey on CSN-BA. HUH??
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Comcast has been doing that during slow local sports (i.e. Sharks/Giants) periods with their Wash and Philly CSN “sister” stations sharing their hockey broadcasts with us. I doubt that CSNBA has to reciprocate with Sharks games because of the time difference, but they might for weekend afternoon or timezone friendly road games.
"It'll break your heart. It's designed to break your heart."
- A. Bartlett Giamatti
I was hoping the boxed set DVDs would carry the entire FOX pre-game shows. With subtitles for Ozzie.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
I wish they’d include the KNBR post-game shows.
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OT
Whatever happened to Tony Torcato? I used him on my mad libs. He get released or just retire? He was suppsoed to be the next Will Clark.
He was!? As I recall, he was seen as something of a reach at the time he was drafted – I even remember reading that he wasn’t considered one of the top 100 players of his draft class, and BA didn’t rank him in their Top 100 Prospects list until a couple of years after he was drafted. He was never particularly good in the minors (best year: .832 OPS, mostly in the Cal League at age 21). He peaked at #60 on BA’s top prospects list (and I don’t think he got higher than #3 or #4 on the BA’s Giants prospects list), whereas Clark would’ve easily been in the top five had the list existed then. He kept getting hurt and couldn’t stick at third base.
To answer your question, though, he became a free agent in 2005 and had stints in the Mariners’ and White Sox’ (White Sox’s? how the heck does that work?) systems, but never made it back to the majors.
HIs career minor league line: .294 / .333 / .401. Pretty bad.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
Maybe not, I remember Kruk and Kuip commenting on his swing and how it reminded them of the thrill. That was in 2002ish then he vanished from the earth.
he had a nice swing but it generated nothing but singles and he never walked.
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"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I thought i remember some buzz on him being called up, not Posey type buzz , but some. Will never Posey type buzz again maybe.
It’s certainly possible that he was hyped by the announcers. They tend to latch on to weird psuedo-prospects sometimes – guys like Jason Ellison or Dan Ortmeier or Ryan Jensen.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
or, more recently, Ryan Sadowski
Except he didn’t even really qualify for pseudo-prospect status, being 27 and all.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
Hey, he turned into an ace for the Giants
Just not, you know, the San Francisco ones.
My Adopted Giant
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
if so, that's crazy
By 2002, he was pretty much a washed-up non-prospect. Repeating the PCL, barely managing a .750 OPS. Injuries had forced him from 3B to corner OF, which pretty much ended any pretense he was a prospect.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
Yea, your probably right, I did not have access to all the numbers back then. I get super confused here when people starting giving me war, uzr numbers. I just go by “hey, that player looks good.” probably not a good way to scout players abilities. Where does one go to study these numbers? I’m a stat noob.
There's some good stuff here
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/statpages/glossary/
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Can anybody figure out what Dayton Moore is doing?
First, he signs cast-off vets like Melky Cabrera and Jeff Francouer, seemingly signalling that he thinks they can compete next season. That wouldn’t be such a bad idea (competing next year – not signing those 2 useless sacks), because I don’t see that there is any monster team in the AL Central. Also, you (and Moore) have to think there’s a distinct possibility that 2 of his 3 top hitting prospects (Moustakas and Hosmer) have a very good chance of playing in the majors this coming season, with at least 1 being a major contributor at he plate on the order of what Buster did for us in 2010. Certainly, you have to assume that both will be in the majors by the beginning of 2012. With the assumed progression of your other young major league players (Butler, Ka’aihue, Hochevar, Gordon, and Soria), and a farm system populated with a bunch of young pitching prospects and a top-rated catcher, you have to figure that you need to point to 2012 as your best chance to make the playoffs, and begin a long stretch of being a top contender.
So what does Moore do? He trades his best pitcher (easily one of the top 5 in the AL) for a SS with a very questionable bat that just finished his rookie season; a rookie-eligible OF who seems to be destined for a platoon or 4th OF role; a talented (but old for his league) and erratic minor league reliever (who’s literally 1 doobie away from being banned from pro ball forever); and a highly-rated low-A SP that won’t be ready to contribute on the major league level until at least the middle of the 2013 season.
That’s not a smart trade in my book. Especially when you have Greinke under a very reasonable contract through the end of 2012. My main question is, how did Moore not get at least one consensus superstar out of this deal? My 2nd question is, what was Moore’s hurry? I have to believe that the Yankees and other desperate top-ranked teams would have come sniffing around Greinke at some point between now and July 2012 with a much better basket of prospects. Meanwhile yoiu sit back and enjoy Greinke’s efforts and hope to catch some lightning in a bottle a la the 2010 Giants and 2008 Rays. And I don’t buy the whole “the other teams didn’t match up with the Royals’ needs” meme. If that’s the case then you get a 3rd team involved. Is anybody going to tell me that a package that included Banuelos and Montero from the Yankees wouldn’t fit the Royals? Sure the Royals have a highly-rated young catcher (Wil Myers), but he’s young (just turned 20), has as many defensive question marks as Montero, and won’t be major league-ready until at least the 2013 season. Montero could be ready to play as early as the middle of next season.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Short answer: Greinke requested a trade.
This doesn’t necessarily mean Moore did a particularly good job, and I certainly don’t think he’s a capable GM, but I do get the impression he had less time than he originally thought.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
You don’t let a player that’s under contract for 2 more years dictate your timing. Besides, it’s not like Greinke was going to go all Terrell Owens on them. From what I’ve read, his main bone of contention was being on epically bad teams. Bring up Moustakas and Hosmer by mid-season and pick up a good vet or 2, and watch Greinke’s attitude change.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
How exactly does it work when a player requests a trade anyways? I’m not actually sure myself. I just got the impression from comments online (here and elsewhere) that after Greinke made the request Moore suddenly lost a lot of leverage.
In any case, I agree with your main points. Though, the chances of Moore picking up a vet or 2 that are actually good seem extraordinarily slim.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Also...
It seems odd that another team didn’t step in with a better offer. I mean, did Moore pull the trigger THAT quickly? You’d think there would have been some more furious bidding happening here.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
that after Greinke made the request Moore suddenly lost a lot of leverage.
Not as bad as when Ken Griffey Jr. demanded a trade from the Mariners. At first he said he wanted to be traded to a team that played close to his home in Florida so he could be with his family more. Then he announced publicly he would ONLY accept a trade to the Reds. Oops.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
How does it work?
The GM listens to what the player has to say, then tells him they’ll certainly take his rquest under consideration. When the player leaves the room the GM breaks out into a round of hearty laughter. The player has almost no leverage when he has 2 full years left on his contract. All he can do is hold out or tank on the field, and Greinke isn’t the type of guy to do that.
The Royals lost absolutely no leverage when Greinke asked to be traded. Why? Because any baseball man with a lick of sense already knew that there was almost a 0% chance that the Royals could re-sign Greinke after his contract expires in 2 seasons. Everybody already knew that the Royals would be looking to trade him at some point in the next 19 months.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Okay, then yes...
The whole things screams of stupidity. There’s not guarantee KC would have gotten a better offer, but it would definitely have been worth waiting…
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
I think the driving motive for trading Greinke this offseason instead of trying to sign him to an extension or wait until next offseason, is that there was a pretty widespread opinion that he was tanking it this year. He just didn’t seem to want to be there and his constant gumby shoulders act was probably not setting the kind of example they wanted when they bring up the kids.
We had the same issue back in the mid-80s first with Jack Clark and then with Chili Davis. They were essentially forced to trade Clark because he was becoming such a distraction with his epic unhappiness at being a Giant, and by the time they finally did ship him off our leverage was completely shot adn we got precious little out of the deal (Uribe!). Davis they held onto all the way to FA and got nothing out of him.
MY DAD WAS WRONG!
Last year
The Royals were 27 games behind the Twins, 21 behind the White Sox, and 14 behind Detroit (and 2 behind Cleveland). The Twins are now weaker, but the White Sox and the Tigers each added a very good player (Dunn/Martinez) and didn’t lose anyone too important. And the Twins are still pretty good, even if not 94 wins good.
So I don’t think the Royals could have contended this year. I also don’t think Moore was trying to contend – he started the off-season by trading DeJesus for a young pitcher.
Why he got Cabrera and Francouer, though, I have no idea.
Why he got Cabrera and Francouer, though, I have no idea.
Oh, I have a pretty good idea.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
Francouer I get, but Cabrera is baffling to me. Cabrera, in general, is baffling to me – it’s like, why do I know this guy? I look at his numbers, and he’s really just not good, and in an obvious way too (low BA, no power) – why is he famous? How has he avoided becoming a bench player for 6 years now?
If you think about where he played before Atlanta you’ll realize why you know him.
THE THING IS, IT HAPPENED - 11/1/10
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Dec 19, 2010 5:58 PM PST up reply actions
But that’s part of what’s weird – how did he get to start for 4 years on the Yankees? Pretty much any other player who did that in the past decade was an All-Star.
The only thing I can think of:
http://bbref.com/pi/shareit/UOzPY
He had a .360 OBP when he was 21. That’s pretty rare. Fewer than 100 have done it, and of those about 25% have made or will make the Hall. At some point you have to realize the guy is junk — like, oh, the NLDS — but it’s probably easy to keep chasing after that potential.
And his K/BB as a 21-year-old was pretty sweet, too. I’ll just guess that he’s really 33 because I have no idea what happened after his rookie season.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 19, 2010 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
OK
Players who had 2,000 PAs with the Yankees in the past 10 years:
Derek Jeter
Bernie Williams
Jorge Posada
Alex Rodriguez
Hideki Matsui
Jason Giambi
Alfonso Soriano
Robinson Cano
Johnny Damon
Melky Cabrera
Can’t tell me that’s not weird.
by Cookyman on Dec 19, 2010 6:21 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I’m not arguing that it’s weird that the Yankees played him so much without finding someone better. I’m just saying the reason he’s as well known as he is, is that he played for the Yankees.
THE THING IS, IT HAPPENED - 11/1/10
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Dec 19, 2010 11:49 PM PST up reply actions
I think in most of his years was more or less the 4th OF and moved up b/c of injury or suckitude (Matsui in 06, Giambi in 07, Nady in 08). He got the job in 09 by which point they had Gardner coming along and maybe weren’t convinced Melky was 24, or maybe the Braves wanted him more than Gardner in exchange for Vazquez.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 20, 2010 7:55 AM PST up reply actions
the continuing struggles of holiday shopping
so for 3 weeks all mlb.com had were xxl womens brian wilson shirts
and now they just stopped carrying wilson shirts all together. wtf?
"Life is like a grapefruit. It's orange and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
Ted Williams: .406 1941
Gary Brown: .438 2010
by operation carrot on Dec 19, 2010 5:06 PM PST reply actions
When all the XXL women found out that Brian Wilson gets people free sandwiches, they became fans.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2010 5:09 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
someone would complain but theyre all out eating the free sandwhiches
"Life is like a grapefruit. It's orange and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
Ted Williams: .406 1941
Gary Brown: .438 2010
by operation carrot on Dec 19, 2010 5:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Some people were saying elsewhere that this reminds me of the Beltran deal – trading for positions of need, rather than just getting really good players – and I agree. Escobar and Cain are both up the middle players, but they both seem pretty low ceiling to me. The pitcher in A ball is interesting but he’s a long ways away.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
+1
Top 10 starting pitchers are the hardest things to find in the majors. Trading Greinke with 2 more years left on a very reasonable contract has to yield back at least 1 nearly sure-fire superstar. Moore got fleeced.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
trade for lincecum
"Life is like a grapefruit. It's orange and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
Ted Williams: .406 1941
Gary Brown: .438 2010
by operation carrot on Dec 19, 2010 5:55 PM PST up reply actions
i dont like that the Yankees arent getting their pitchers, because it makes it more likely they will go after ours in a few years then.
or at least thats what the scared side of me thinks
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 7:19 PM PST up reply actions
Same here.
I mean, its nice to laugh at them now. But it would have been better in the long run if they had gotten Lee.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
well, 2012 (Cain) is the earliest they could try, and that’s another offseason away- the Yankees won’t spend 2-3 years sucking, waiting on SFs pitching staff.
They make too much money as a winning team
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 7:50 PM PST up reply actions
Cain’s the one guy who I think will definitely be here for the long haul.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
I could see them spending a ton of money on Wandy Rodriguez and/or CJ Wilson next offseason.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
Starting pitchers
Mark Buehrle (33)
Chris Carpenter (37) – $15MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Aaron Cook (33) – $11MM mutual option with a $500K buyout
Kyle Davies (28)
Ryan Dempster (35) – $14MM player option
Zach Duke (29) – mutual option
Jeff Francis (30)
Jon Garland (32) – vesting option
Aaron Harang (34) – mutual option
Rich Harden (30)
Livan Hernandez (37)
Edwin Jackson (28)
Kenshin Kawakami (37)
Scott Kazmir (28) – $13.5MM club option with a $2.5MM buyout
Hiroki Kuroda (37)
Paul Maholm (30) – $9.75MM club option with a $750K buyout
Jason Marquis (33)
Gil Meche (33)
Sergio Mitre (31)
Scott Olsen (28) – $4MM club option
Roy Oswalt (34) – $16MM mutual option with a $2MM buyout
Vicente Padilla (34)
Oliver Perez (30)
Joel Pineiro (33)
Wandy Rodriguez (33)
C.C. Sabathia (31) – may opt out of remaining four years, $92MM
Carlos Silva (33) – $12MM mutual option with a $2MM buyout
Javier Vazquez (35)
Adam Wainwright (30) – $10MM vesting option for ’12, $12MM for ’13
Tim Wakefield (45)
Chien-Ming Wang (32)
C.J. Wilson (31)
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
Wonder what the Cardinals will do with Waino, Carp and Pooholes.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
The option on Carpenter seems like a no-brainer if he’s healthy and isn’t completely awful. I think Wainwright’s option vests pretty easily.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
Pay them...
in “World’s Greatest Fans”
Brian Sabean: Sing His Praises To The Heavens!
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game that seems to have resurrected itself in my absence...
The picture Grant posted looks like Huff is trying to stop Posey and Wilson from fighting.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Dayton Moore is a genius
After adding the haul from the Greinke trade, Kevin Goldstein from Baseball Prospectus calls Kansas City’s farm system the best that he’s ever seen (Twitter link).
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 19, 2010 7:00 PM PST reply actions
they really do have an incredible farm system right now
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"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
A bird in the hand...
I think we can confidently expect the Royals to be awful next year.
A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way. - SLC
Jayson Werth is kicking himself
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
Grant is working overtime this weekend! I think he deserves a raise.
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Everytime I see the NE Patriots go into halftime, then come out of the half and start mashing on teams, I think Belichek is still cheating somehow. Old habits die hard
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
It pains me to say it, but Tom Brady is really, really fucking, fucking good. They don’t need to cheat to get organized at halftime and come out swinging.
Doesn’t mean they aren’t, but I don’t think “they play really well in the second half” is enough to suggest anything.
Placeholder.
by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2010 7:20 PM PST up reply actions
(Especially since, theoretically, cheating would happen during the week and not in-game)
Placeholder.
by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2010 7:20 PM PST up reply actions
oh yeah, Brady is in the top 3 NFL QBs, maybe even top 2
but they score a LOT of points on INTs, and when you mix a team that was the “Team of the Decade” with proven cheaters, it kinda washes you on it.
Kinda like the whole Rockies/humidor saga. Once the accusations come out from a few teams, it’s always in the back of your mind.
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
Well, the Patriots have actually been caught cheating before, so it’s a little more justified in their case.
by kingofthacove on Dec 19, 2010 7:36 PM PST up reply actions
oh yeah, of course. the Rockies were never proved of any wrongdoing, just heavily suspected.
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 7:37 PM PST up reply actions
Atlanta got busted for painting illegally wide catcher’s boxes.
Of what were the Rockies suspected? I thought it was just frustration, but nobody had a serious we-know-this beef.
chasm?
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
Only a little. Elevation does terrible things to baseballs, we know. But there’s no evidence the Rockies were doing anything amiss. The worst we know is that they didn’t clear the humidor with the league, but since they were telling their local papers that seems more an oversight.
with all due respect, when you install something like a humidor, and “accidentally” forget to report it to the league, that is just something that doesn’t get missed.
i mean, i could sit here and tell you conspiracy theories about them “forgetting” to tell the league about the humidor so they could use the humidor for opponents batting, but reg balls for their batting (without any oversight at all), but that’s all pointless
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 7:54 PM PST up reply actions
without oversight, one could argue that they wouldnt have been caught because no one was looking in the first place.
but, I did say “i COULD sit here and tell conspiracy theories…”… I don’t want to though
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 8:05 PM PST up reply actions
maybe they were thinking of ...
trading for Pablo and moving them him back to Catcher!
(Because Bengie Molina jokes not funny any more)
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I'm just shocked the Packers have 17 right now.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 19, 2010 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
I’m not, actually. I follow them, half my family lives out in Wisc and are cheeseheads, so go figure… The Packers are my 2nd favorite team.
With Rodgers out, though, I am a little surprised they have 17 pts already. Looks like the short routes are workin out for them, for now.
That kickoff return by the Pats was fucking rediculous. Packers cannot tackle anyone tonight
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 7:25 PM PST up reply actions
See, this is what I’m saying.
It’s not that the Packers have scored (24 now) that surprises me. It’s that they’re doing it with the first backup QB to start a game for them in almost 20 years.
What the hell? We couldn’t score on the Lions worth a damn and he’s carving up New England?
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 19, 2010 7:28 PM PST up reply actions
What a difference a week of first team snaps in practice make.
Also, the Patriots D is kind of suspect.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2010 7:29 PM PST up reply actions
make that 24 pts!!
Go Packers!!
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 7:26 PM PST up reply actions
yeah yeah yeah!!! that dude trucked it for the 1st down. i didnt think he’d make it
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 7:39 PM PST up reply actions
Kuhn is incredible.
I mean, it takes nearly an entire defense to bring him down. He just keeps churning for yardage.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 19, 2010 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
Yuck.
I’d like to get more than 3 from the ball on the NE 1. :(
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 19, 2010 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
yeah that sucked. should have passed it, running isnt a great idea against NEs pass-rush.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 7:45 PM PST up reply actions
Running it has worked okay for us so far today, but I’d still rather have gone for it on 4th-1 than kicked the field goal. We stopped ’em deep in the shadow of their own endzone once already.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 19, 2010 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
damn, that’s two INTs that should have been picked tonight
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
that’s cost the Pack 10 pts now- Woodsons in the 1st qtr was really bad. obvious drop
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
Yep.
Glad we held them to trading field goals, though. I’d still rather have the 7 points, but that wasn’t the disaster I was fearing.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 19, 2010 7:52 PM PST up reply actions
the disaster will be if they dont win this game, given the dominance and repeated mistakes the Pats have made
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 7:56 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know about 'disaster.'
The teams GB needed to lose this week did, so a loss doesn’t kill them for the playoffs.
But you’d always like to steal the games that leave themselves open to be stolen.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 19, 2010 7:56 PM PST up reply actions
when everyone who needs to lose loses, that’s when you need to win.
that’s your window of opportunity to secure your spot
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 8:05 PM PST up reply actions
and yeah, fuck.
did you see the Steelers game today? i thought they were gonna win it
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 8:06 PM PST up reply actions
I didn’t, but I figured they’d beat the Jets.
The Jets are one of those teams who seem to win the games they’re “supposed” to but usually can’t pull it out when they’re close against better teams. Oops.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 19, 2010 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
like the 2010 MLB Cardinals
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 8:15 PM PST up reply actions
LET’S GO!!!
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
that wasn’t played well. they shouldnt have had to use their timeouts earlier- that was the most winnable game vs the Pats in the last 6 weeks
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
just like Gerhart used to be for Stanford
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
I liked Gerhart. I hated seeing him go to the Vikings of all teams.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 19, 2010 7:45 PM PST up reply actions
the sadder thing is the the pack used to be major rivals with SF, but now SF sucks so bad they had to find a new rival, lol.
though i think the Vikings/Pack rivalry has been around for a long time
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 7:57 PM PST up reply actions
Vikings aren't a "new" rival for the Packers. That one goes back to the 70s at the very least.
But it is kind of sad that it wasn’t a bigger deal when SF came to town earlier this year.
I’d have loved to go to that game, but no $$ for tickets.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 19, 2010 7:58 PM PST up reply actions
ive been to Lambeau Field, once, courtesy of my uncle. great experience, it was snowing, just majestic. one of the venues everyone must visit before they die, lol
the whole city is built around the team, its crazy- ive never seen a city so built around its sports team. if the Pack somehow left town, the city would collapse
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 8:08 PM PST up reply actions
I live just down the street from Lambeau.
And I think that’s a big part, actually, of why the Packers are community-owned – to keep them from moving to the Wisconsin equivalent of Santa Clara.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 19, 2010 8:09 PM PST up reply actions
I thought Green Bay is already Wisconsin’s Fresno.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Well, I mean, Wisconsin is kind of the Midwest's Fresno.
But Green Bay is actually, I think, the 3rd largest city in the state to begin with.
The top two being Milwaukee and Madison.
So, I mean, we’re not talking podunk on a local perspective.
Compared to virtually any other NFL city, sure.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 20, 2010 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
IIRC Green Bay was only 75,000 people or something back in the ’90s?
i believe it’s the smallest isolated town to have a pro sports franchise (anaheim doesnt count, cause it’s in LA)
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by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
It's grown some.
That’s 20 years ago, you know?
I haven’t seen the numbers from the 2010 census yet, but the population sign at the city limits right by Lambeau says it’s around 100k-something as of the 2000 census.
And then you’ve got Howard, DePere, Ashwaubenon, Bellevue and Allouez as villages immediately surrounding Green Bay that probably account for another 30-50k in population.
So in terms of the greater Green Bay area, you’re probably talking somewhere in the mid 100k range.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 20, 2010 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
Just checked Wikipedia.
102,313 as of the 2000 census.
The “Green Bay metropolitan area” was estimated, in 2008, to include 302,935 people.
Plus, the Packer season ticket base is split between Green Bay ticketholders and Milwaukee ticket holders, so the fact that Green Bay is the smallest NFL city is kind of misleading.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 20, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
i kind of like the aura of that, though.
smallest NFL city (may even be smallest city with a sports franchise, period), team owned by the community.. i really like it.
but I see what you’re saying
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by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
I guess that probably depends on whether you define it as what city the team identifies itself with or what city the team is actually located in.
The Angels really want to stake a claim to the LA area, but Anaheim itself is only about 350k people.
I don’t think Green Bay is all that unusual in terms of city size and having a pro team, exactly.
It’s just unusual in that it’s one of the smallest cities with a team that actually identifies itself with that city.
I mean, say the A’s move to Fremont. Do you think they change the name to Fremont Athletics or continue to call themselves the Oakland A’s?
Pretty big difference in population between the two.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 20, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
Is there another NFL city with fewer than 300,00 people?
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 20, 2010 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
Glendale has 245k'ish.
But Wiki doesn’t say anything about the “Greater Glendale metropolitan area,” and they’re only like ten miles from Phoenix.
So, you know, tomato-tohmahto.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 20, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
No… Pheonix Metro Area (Maricopa County) is like 3M people. Apples to apples, I’m pretty sure Green Bay is the smallest NFL city by a comfortable margin. I don’t see what the problem with that is TBH…
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 20, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
But the thing is, they play in Glendale, and they don’t call themselves the “Phoenix Cardinals.”
Yeah, the metro area is bigger, but Phoenix themselves don’t host the team.
It’s a little bit of semantics, I know, but my point is that Green Bay is not that unusual in having a pro team. It’s just that most teams that don’t actually play in the bigger city will still affiliate themselves with the larger city for naming/marketing purposes.
That was part of the whole kerfluffle over the Angels changing their name. They wanted to affiliate with LA while playing in Anaheim because of the population difference and resultant marketing.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 20, 2010 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
but the thing that differentiates Green Bay from Glendale (your example) is that the surrounding area of Green Bay is nowhere near 3MM people.
Green Bay, while still smaller than most if not all cities who host an NFL team, does not have a substantially larger metro area that the team represents.
it’s not a bad thing, man. in fact, its the opposite of that- it’s proof of a community that loves their team.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
Not arguing that.
But what I’m saying is that if you want to count Phoenix for the metro area of the Cardinals for “size” purposes, you almost have to do the same thing for Milwaukee since the Packers give half their home tickets to people in the 715/920 area codes and half to people in the 414 (Milwaukee) area code.
The community aspect of the Packers is one of the neatest things I’ve ever seen, but it’s a situation that defies labeling clarity in a lot of ways, really.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 20, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
The difference is it’s one continuous metropolitan (well, suburban really) area.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 20, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, i dont see the problem either- i think it’s awesome that a smallish city rallies around their team like that.
maybe Dodgerfaninpackerland is feeling a little male insuperiority? lol
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by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
Nah.
I’m just sayin’, the dynamics of the Packers’ market are a little different from almost any other team in American sport.
In terms of pure bodies in the metro area around the team, yeah, they’re the smallest. But in terms of cities which have an NFL team within their borders, you have to start playing semantics if you want to maintain that ‘smallest population’ distinction.
Meh. I mean, I think it’s cool. One of the reasons I moved here is it’s about the same size as the city in CA I left, which means the comfort factor is about right, but I’ve got a pro team in the vicinity to make up for the fact that I can’t easily go to Dodger games anymore.
It’s a win/win.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 20, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
yes, it is a win-win. i root for the pack, except when they play SF, hahha
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by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
that makes perfectly reasonable sense
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by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
has there been any complaining about the niners passing up on Desean Jackson today?
Because they really should have drafted him.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2010 7:32 PM PST up reply actions
Some people say this was hindsight. But I remember during the draft people wanted Jackson to begin with. KNBR did the draft at some draft party and they asked people who they wanted. Most of the people said Jackson.
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except no one wanted Balmer
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I think there is evidence to suggest that Scot McCloughan still wants Balmer.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2010 7:43 PM PST up reply actions
sexually?
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Oh good. Thanks for that image.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2010 7:58 PM PST up reply actions
Scot McCloughan: “Kentwan… your shoelaces… they’re untied.”
Kentwan Balmer: “Oh, I guess they are.”
Scot McCloughan: “Why don’t I get those for you…”
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2010 8:00 PM PST up reply actions
Scot = Ginny Weasley?
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LOL
I was about to post this exact picture.
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Where are his lips and his eyebrows I don’t know.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2010 8:01 PM PST up reply actions
who dis
someone with more free time than sense.
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That's really shocking
that bay area fans of a wr deprived team would want a local WR prospect…
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by sadison bummedgarner on Dec 19, 2010 7:30 PM PST reply actions
meh
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
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you expressed one word too many.
the correct answer is:
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
Note: the dot here means someone who has died and it’s used as a RIP or a moment of silence.
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really? no chasm?
i did not know that.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
Look at the Bob Feller thread
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i havent been around here much lately. work has been strapping me down
but your point is noted. thanks for the heads up
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 7:57 PM PST up reply actions
ive been getting called in when Off Shift repeatedly, the holiday season is a very bust time for Fire Depts… house fires from Xmas trees
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 7:59 PM PST up reply actions
Old lights shorting out? Too close to the fireplace? Our tree was extra dry this year for some reason, Delancey St. must have gotten them early or something. They’re usually pretty good.
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by natteringnabob on Dec 20, 2010 7:57 AM PST up reply actions
combinations of all those things, plus the constant pouring rain lately is causing a billion car accidents.
best thing you can do is turn off the xmas lights on the tree when you leave the house, and put out the fire in the fireplace.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
Are the clean air regs helping with the fireplace problems? Fewer being used so therefore fewer fires?
I’m always surprised how narrow the hearths in most SF houses with fireplaces are. We don’t burn ours anymore but it always made me half spooky because the hearth is only like 12" wide.
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by natteringnabob on Dec 20, 2010 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
to be honest, most people disregard the clean air days and burn their fireplaces anyways. lotta tickets going out- it’s like speeding, people think they wont get caught
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by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
LOL.
“They’ll never see the smoke coming out of my chimney and track it down to my fireplace!”
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What, is there chimney patrols?
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 20, 2010 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
yep
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by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
0_o
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its just county air regulators, dont worry, i dont think they have guns
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by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
yeah well that’s not us enforcing it, the FD, per se, but clean air regulators. we just get bulletins on the amount of tickets going out.
from what ive heard, most people claim they didnt get the message about the clean air day. then the regulators show them the call list, which proves they got a call, lol.
if you’re going to violate the clean air day, do it at night.
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
Until the last big shakeup with those regs SF was all burn, all the time! Suck our smoke, East Bay!
I don’t even know how we would find out, I guess on KCBS or something. Someone on my block uses wood for their primary heat; I wonder if BAAQMD does anything here at all.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 20, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
they have a mass call list, and everyone in the phone book gets an automated call about the burn days.
and its on the news and in the newspaper, and on the websites for local news.
in short, its hard to miss
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
I have never received such a call.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 20, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
that’s wierd. you might want to check out local news once a day, yknow make sure you don’t miss it. the tickets are far more $$ than the heating bill for the night would be
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
Since I don’t have a fireplace, the point is moot. When I did have one, it was an EPA approved low emission cast iron stove, which I burned whenever I felt like.
In any case, it might be worth it to fight the ticket just for laughs. How can the government require me to be a media consumer?
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 20, 2010 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
you could try, but
i dont think the gov’t would accept lack of awareness as an adequate excuse for breaking the law
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 6:09 PM PST up reply actions
Welcome back Mota
"That's like Swede on Swede violence."-Randy Hahn
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
2010 World Series Champions San Francisco Giants
Fun fact
“Mota” is Bengali for “fat”.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
It’s Californian for ‘shitty weed’.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 20, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
Hmm, Greinke could have gone to Washington, but he vetoed it.
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And play second fiddle to Strasburg and Werth? Hardly.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2010 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
i thought that’s what he wanted to do, not be frontline starter due to some anxiety issues
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 7:34 PM PST up reply actions
You mean you deliberately tried to deceive us?!
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you obviously haven’t met Howie ;)
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
I think the Brewers package was better than the one listed there, if that was it from the Nats.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I have to think the Royals would have gotten Ian Desmond too or something.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Yeah, it just says that those three “may have been part of the deal,” indicating there was more.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
Ouch
No reason was given as to why Greinke turned down the deal with Washington, but he made it clear this past season that he would like to play for a team that wins on a consistent basis. The Nationals have yet to finish with a record over .500 since relocating to Washington.
I don't understand your stats
"That's like Swede on Swede violence."-Randy Hahn
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
2010 World Series Champions San Francisco Giants
By the way, I wanted to take a minute to congratulate all the Raiders fans out there. Your franchise did something today that I don’t think anybody believed they’d be able to do for another few years at least, especially with Davis running things the way he has lately. It sounds snarky, but not losing 10 games this season is a big deal for that team, and I mean this congratulations in all seriousness.
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As a 49ers fan right now, it wouldn’t be fair for me to make that comment in jest.
Placeholder.
by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2010 7:57 PM PST up reply actions
Also
LOL Broncos
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
no LOL for Tebow, though.
Rushed for 50 yds and a TD, plus threw for 1-2 more
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 8:00 PM PST up reply actions
worst whupping
on a division rival since Niners Falcons in 1992 or 94 or something.
Brian Sabean: Sing His Praises To The Heavens!
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game that seems to have resurrected itself in my absence...
HOLY CRAP!!!
WE dodged a bulled there
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
I think that was meant to go in the Packers sub-thread?
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 19, 2010 8:17 PM PST up reply actions
yeah. that was about the Packers game.
but you, GiantPain, think we should have matched and gotten Greinke, just to one-up the Phils? if we hadn’t won the WS, yeah i would agree, but im now reserved about trading Belt, or any other farm hands because we just got the WS- the accomplishment is done.
Now it’s about developing young players and sustaining this success.
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 8:20 PM PST up reply actions
WHAT POOR CLOCK MANAGMENT!!!
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
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wow
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 8:26 PM PST up reply actions
its better to have the rookie QB just call a play off the top of his head rather than stand there and watch the sec tick down.
or, at least, spike the ball, lose the down, and save the time on the clock
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 8:30 PM PST up reply actions
first start of his career, though, no?
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 8:33 PM PST up reply actions
Fun Fact
Matt Flynn was the back up QB to JaMarcus Russell until Russell took his “talents” to the NFL then Flynn became a starter.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
…and yet Flynn probably passed for more yards tonight than Russell did in his whole career, lol
Russell is the biggest draft bust ever, IMO. sorry Raiders fans.
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 8:42 PM PST up reply actions
I believe so. Doesn’t make him a rookie. He even threw passes in 2008 and 2009.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2010 9:31 PM PST up reply actions
ahh, different definitions of a rookie QB.
to me, a rookie QB is a guy who’s never started a game. totally different mindset, mop-up duty vs starting
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
he couldn’t spike it…it was fourth down. Well he could but it wouldn’t have worked out too well for him.
was it 4th? i thought they had just gotten a 1st. oh well, it’s over now, lol
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
oh, well. good game
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 8:27 PM PST up reply actions
I blame McCarthy
You gotta give him two plays during the time out.
that’s what i was thinking too- they had to use their last timeout, so might as well set up two plays to use in case of that situation
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
You guys know that apparently the Dodgers also wanted Mota, but he chose the Giants?
good to see Agent Ned hard at work
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20101219&content_id=16346884&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
Who the hell is this fresh-faced motherfucker.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
anybody else watching that inside the clubhouse thing on csnba?
my buddies gf is one of the 4 girls dancing in the first 2-3 minutes of the show, right after where it says “sept 15 game”
i just called him and they were watching it too. AWESOME
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
and gallo . . . !
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 19, 2010 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
bizarre
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
by jponry on Dec 19, 2010 9:17 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Anybody remember that alien-abduction miniseries “Taken”? Remember Anton Yelchin played a half-human, half-Gray hybrid?
Yep. He probably has weird mental powers too.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
No, but I remember a prime time animated series called Invasion America.
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I loved Moley’s slide and jump off home plate.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
Freddy is so animated, i love him.
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
+1
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
Wow, I had forgotten about MadBum’s relief appearance.
Kruk: "and the Giants, the San Francisco Giants…"
Kuip: "They got one…"
Kruk: "World Champs."
- November 1, 2010
a lot of LHB must
I do not know if it was luck or more patented Tidrow Fairy Dust, but much as I hated the trade for him he absolutely destroyed LHB after the trade last year. What did they OPS off him for the Giants, .380? .360? It was preposterous.
i think that is nearer where his true talent level as a LOOGY is.
who knows what PIT was using him for, which probably didn’t help his numbers
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
I didn't think the strike call on Howard . . .
was a strike at the time.
But I’ve thought so every time I’ve seen it since.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 19, 2010 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
As perfect as a pitch can be, no hyperbole.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 19, 2010 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
too close to take, for sure
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
mmmmmm
My Adopted Giant
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
by GiantPain on Dec 20, 2010 12:03 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
FUCK YEAH WE BEAT CLIFF LEE
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
WHO IS THIS MATT CAIN???
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
HERE WE GO
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
FUCK LEE IS ON
But so is Timmy!
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
They shouldve got those cameras down to chestnut st.
That most resembled what was going on in the Giants locker room
Holy shit
Aubrey bawling crying with his family
/hugs everyone again
Kruk: "and the Giants, the San Francisco Giants…"
Kuip: "They got one…"
Kruk: "World Champs."
- November 1, 2010
I watched this, but
I was afraid to post it because of the watching last night.
/is chagrined for both things
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 19, 2010 10:17 PM PST reply actions
It's on again at 11 tonight and several times in the next few days.
by mrs. owlcroft on Dec 19, 2010 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
Grant, you gotta be on top of these things. It says so in “The Overlord Handbook”
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
/becomes obsessed with that.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 19, 2010 10:20 PM PST reply actions
Oh,
you actually meant “this.”
sorry
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 19, 2010 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
damn, some parts of that documentary gave me chilllllls. not chilis, but that sounds good too.
hmm… nom nom nom
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
/votes in the affirmative
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on Dec 19, 2010 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
Thumbs Up!
Some observations:
- I must’ve missed the Jose Guillen footage during the September run (chasm of course, but I was surprised that Zeets didn’t appear as well at any time).
- Fine with me, but there was a noticeable lack of torture displayed throughout – even in the wins. The show was definitely a feel-good production.
- Boy that Uribe guy sure had some big hits for us – how will we survive without him? (I know, I know … full seasons for Buster, PTB, Ssory Doc, etc.)
"It'll break your heart. It's designed to break your heart."
- A. Bartlett Giamatti
Greetings from Chicago. I wish I had seen that special, and I could have, had I known it was on. Since 12-16, Comcast customers in my area are getting CSN Bay Area. I hope that means we can see the Giants games. The channel guide is not up and running yet, though. Everything is “to be announced” . If you want some off-season entertainment, check out the three minute video of Mike Fontenots wedding. It is too long to be on youtube, but you can find it by Googling the wedding sute, Carillon Weddings on Facebook. It is located on the Wall. Mike shaved off his beard, and looks cuter than the ring bearer, who is Ryan Theriots son. Thanks to a great pair of built-up shoes, he is actually 5’ 8" for the first time in his life. The shoes add about 4 inches, and make him taller than his wife, who wore a pair of jeweled flip-flops, with absolutely no heel height.
FYI i used to get CSNBA but they wouldnt show the games, but theyd show everything BUT the game, so i had to upgrade to get the games on the channel- might want to look into that before you sit down to watch opening day and find that something is amiss
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 19, 2010 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
Petaluma
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by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 12:23 AM PST up reply actions
Nice wedding! Grant is definitely cute without his wolverine whiskers. Very tasteful decor and elegant cake and bridesmaid dresses.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on Dec 19, 2010 11:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Let me know if you want a copy of the show.
I’ve got it on DVD and would be happy to make you a duplicate.
OT
Some dude on ESPN.com, Tristan Cockcroft has his early fantasy baseball top 250. Apparently, Matt Cain is a 20th starter at best.
http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/baseball/flb/story?page=early2011rankings
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Yeah but Wilson is the third best closer
And Posey is the fourth best catcher, and ranked higher than Heyward.
Also, LOLPadres have Latos as their top-ranked player at 79, behind four Giants- Lincecum, Cain, Weezy, and Buster.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Hanley at 3? Utley at 19? Carlos Santana at 114?
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Dec 20, 2010 4:57 AM PST up reply actions
Also Rotoworld
LET THEM SHOW YOU THEIR POKEMONZ
http://twitter.com/matthewpouliot
Phinished Phillies SP projections: Halladay 2.84, Lee 3.04, Hamels 3.39, Oswalt 3.48. Combined 66-23, 730/165 K/BB in 845 IP.
Giants stack up OK: Lincecum 3.09, Cain 3.33, Bumgarner 3.46, Sanchez 3.97. 56-38, 759/274 K/BB in 820 IP. And Zito>Kendrick.
Preliminary SP projections done. Top 10: Halladay, Felix, Lee, Lincecum, Wainwright, Lester, Kershaw, Greinke, Sabathia, Hanson.
Phillies have SPs No. 1, 3, 14, 21. Giants: 4, 15, 31, 52. Dodgers: 7, 28, 29, 45. Royals: 112, 189, 230, 276.
Top 12 SPs by projected ERA: Felix, Halladay, Kershaw, Lee, Wainwright, Lincecum, Johnson, Latos, Hanson, Lester, Anderson, Cain.
Top 11 SPs by projected Ks: Lincecum, Lester-Gallardo (tie), Greinke, Felix, Kershaw, Morrow, Verlander, Halladay, Wainwright, Price
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
Cockcroft (what a name) ranks Tim ahead of Lee.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Owlcroft’s country cousin?
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In regards to the Phillies. I honestly think that the rotation will be 1A) Halladay 1B) Hamels 3) Lee 4) Oswalt.
I really believe that Hamels is going to have a breakout year and challenge Halladay for staff ace status. I also think Lee will be good, but not nearly as good as people believe.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Dec 20, 2010 5:27 AM PST up reply actions
828.1- Total innings pitched by the 2010 Giants opening day 1-4 starters.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Dec 20, 2010 8:27 AM PST up reply actions
846.2- 2010 IP by Halladay, Hamels, Oswalt, Blanton.
883.1- 2010 IP by Lee, Halladay, Hamels, Oswalt
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Dec 20, 2010 8:33 AM PST up reply actions
I’m not saying it can’t/won’t happen…I just think it lends itself to tired arms in the playoffs especially with an older staff like the Phillies have…
And that staff pitched pretty damn good during the playoffs.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Dec 20, 2010 8:41 AM PST up reply actions
but not good enough ;)
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
Is there a way to watch The Journey video thingy online?
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Sure
just temporarily set your dignity behind the router.
by Monkeyking42 on Dec 20, 2010 1:32 AM PST up reply actions
Just got done watching
Aubrey crying made me do the same. Which is weird.
Your 2010 World Series Champion San Francisco Giants
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
Oliver projections are out
And they were nice enough to make those for the World Series champions free:
http://www.hardballtimes.com/forecasts/
98 wins…wait, what?
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
LOLoffense
Kruk: "and the Giants, the San Francisco Giants…"
Kuip: "They got one…"
Kruk: "World Champs."
- November 1, 2010
LOL Philly
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Dec 20, 2010 9:00 AM PST up reply actions
:(
In his first two years in San Francisco, Rowand wasn’t good, but he wasn’t terrible. In 2010 he made the transition to full-on terrible, and lost his starting job in the process. That would be fine if he didn’t have two full years at $12 million per remaining on his contract. He projects as the world’s best-paid backup outfielder.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
0.2 WAR
…Burrell’s days as a full-season, middle-of-the-lineup heavyweight appear to be gone.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
even if he's that bad
that would be right in line with his salary.
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So they expect a complete collapse of the offense, but we still win 98 games?
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by say hey nation on Dec 20, 2010 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
They are projecting Matt Cain’s post season run to continue all the way through 2011.
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I like how the comment is
One of the great late-bloomer stories, Torres delivered a terrific all-around performance in 2010, in the field, on the bases, and at the plate, where he produced startling power. Given his age, how long Torres can keep this up is an excellent question, but if he stays healthy, his is the sort of broad-based athleticism that tends to age well.
… but then the projection is a total collapse.
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Well I bet the comment is scout based and the projections are stat based, thus including his older stats.
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by say hey nation on Dec 20, 2010 9:48 AM PST up reply actions
I’ve read through most of the comments. Based on them alone, there’s no way you would even project this team to win 90 games.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
Scroll down the first page:
http://www.hardballtimes.com/forecasts/
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
Click link and scroll down
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by say hey nation on Dec 20, 2010 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
National League West
Team Wins Losses
SFN 98 64
LAN 92 70
COL 85 77
SDN 80 82
ARI 76 86
National League East Team Wins Losses ATL 92 70 NYN 85 77 FLO 85 77 PHI 83 79 WAS 63 99
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by say hey nation on Dec 20, 2010 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
Dodgers win 92? Really?
And I think the WashNats win 75+.
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by gallo del cielo on Dec 20, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
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by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 20, 2010 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
I hope we play the Braves in the first round again. That always seems to work well for us.
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I guess. We did win, but those one-run games were some of the most stressful incidents in my life thus far.
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You know whats gonna happen don’t you? Selig gonna make the 2 wild card system effective immediately and we will get the Marlins.
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by say hey nation on Dec 20, 2010 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
WTF? This looks completely counter-intuitive.
Not that I’m not gratified.
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by shanghaijim on Dec 20, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
I’m not the only one who doesn’t think the Dodgers will sniff 90 wins, am I?
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
was this done before the Phillies signed Lee??
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Even if it was, that is a crazy prediction. I guess they are counting on Utley, Rollins, Polanco and Howard to all continue their slide into suckitude.
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by say hey nation on Dec 20, 2010 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
I really am confused though
I don’t see a single position player who’s projected to be bettter than they were last year, but they still have us winning 98 games…
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Maybe they feel the rest of the NL West will get worse. Much worse.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 20, 2010 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
That, I can see.
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by shanghaijim on Dec 20, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
Padres: yes
The Dbacks stayed about the same
The Rockies should be good unless Cargo was a fluke season and Tulo falls apart.
The Dodgers will probably be a pain, but that is also if their SP holds up.
I don’t think the league got much worse.
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THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
Just trying to explain how they might be that optimistic of the team’s record while being pessimistic about the regulars.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 20, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
I can't decide
if that’s an intentional typo or not. Did they make it 98 instead of 88 just to get us to look? I guess it worked.
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Also these preojections seem to be:
If player is age X and under multiple career stats by ______
If Player is over age X multiple career average by______
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by say hey nation on Dec 20, 2010 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
i see Buster hitting over .300 in 2011. Give him .311 for me, with SLG over .500
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by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
I would be ecstatic with that.
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this, I will take.
Buster and Pablo as 3/4 guys in the lineup, at those projected lines, would be very nice to have.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
They like MadBum too
He’s projected to have the same WAR as Cain (4.0).
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
Their projection for Aubrey is something I would have been happy with a year ago
.271/.347/.459
But it’ll be a little disappointing next year.
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LOL WUT?
PHI 83 79
If the NL Central plays out like they think that could be one hell of a race to watch down the stretch.
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But their pitching should easily keep them in games where their offense would falter.
Kinda like the Giants.
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THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
Sure
But they’re going to be a mediocre defensive team with a mediocre offense and a bad bullpen and great starting pitching.
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NLCS 2011
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by shanghaijim on Dec 20, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
That is
I’d love to be in the NLCS, but I hope it’s not against the Phillies
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I’m hoping not either, but when was the last time my dreams came true?
Oh, right, November 1. ;)
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by shanghaijim on Dec 20, 2010 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
Really?
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by say hey nation on Dec 20, 2010 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
It was pretty middle of the road last year
Their team wRC+ was 11th in the majors.
And they lost Werth, and everyone else is a year older.
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Yeah, but that was with a hardy helping of Valdez.
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by say hey nation on Dec 20, 2010 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
98 wins?
that’s insane.
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OK I whipped out ye olde x-cel
They have to 15 players worth 35.6 WAR. All starters + Wilson Affeldt Romo (relievers > 1 WAR).
If replacement is set to ~54/162 (33%) that makes them about an 90-92 win team (depending on the back 10 of the roster).
That still seems high. I bet I have replacement value too low there and they are really an 88 win team.
Note that Huff Ross Franchez Tejada Burrell all <1 WAR.
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May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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by natteringnabob on Dec 20, 2010 9:15 AM PST up reply actions
He looks like the white Antoine Dodson.
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by Murray, Present on Dec 20, 2010 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
AZN baseball player OT: Perks of winning the gold medal at the Asian Games for your home country
Photoshoot with hot pop star:
and something about not having to spend the next 2 years in the military
Is that Shin Soo and BoA?
(BTW, Roger Ebert dropped a BoA reference in one of his blog posts, and it floored me.)
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by Murray, Present on Dec 20, 2010 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
No more splash hits...
Nationals To Sign Rick Ankiel
By Tim Dierkes [December 20 at 9:59am CST]
The Nationals reached an agreement with outfielder Rick Ankiel on a one-year, $1.5MM deal, tweets SI’s Jon Heyman. He can earn another $1.25MM in performance bonuses.
This strikes me as dumb
But I really like Mike Morse, and I think he should get the starting LF job.
I think he’s the next Jayson Werth – inauspicious early career, then becomes a middle-of-the-order guy in his late 20s/early 30s.
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Morse might be their first baseman
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I think he’s the next Jayson Werth – inauspicious early career, then becomes a middle-of-the-order guy in his late 20s/early 30s.
Well Jayson was injured early in his career.
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by say hey nation on Dec 20, 2010 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
Continue on.
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by say hey nation on Dec 20, 2010 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
Full disclosure
This might be biased by the games I saw the Giants play against the Nats where Morse hit .286/.286/.857
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All I remember of Mike Morse is him being really bad in Seattle. So I looked up his stats to see if there was really any reason for thinking he’d turn out to be good.
Nope.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
His minor and major league numbers from the past three years have all been good.
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We must be using a different measure of good. The only thing he did especially good last year was hit about twice as many home runs per flyball as the league average, and have surprisingly good results on balls in play. Unless you know of something that will allow him to keep that up, I’d bank on his subpar BB% and K% bringing him back down.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Woah...a little too much?
The Padres have acquired Jason Bartlett from the Rays, tweets Marty Caswell of XX1090 Sports Radio. San Diego will also receive a player to be named later from Tampa Bay in exchange for Brandon Gomes, Adam Russell, Cesar Ramos, and Cole Figueroa. The PTBNL will be a minor leaguer and will be worked out in advance of Opening Day, tweets Marc Topkin of the St. Petersburg Times.
I know this is old news but I couldn’t find any discussion about the actual terms..it feels like the Padres way overpaid…Gomes is supposed to be a top notch prospect…Russell and Ramos are also decent…
I liked Hardy but wow…steep price…
I don’t think any of them are top rated prospects.
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by say hey nation on Dec 20, 2010 9:21 AM PST up reply actions
I don't think so
You know how the Pads’ grow fantastic middle relievers on trees?
I think the Rays’ just harvested a crop from one of those trees and are hoping it works out for them, the way it works out for the Padres.
Gomes is 25 and is in AA, he isn’t a top notch prospect. They are all decent middle reliever prospects. Except for Figueroa who is a 2B/SS who was 23 in the CAL league.
We easily could have matched that package for Bartlett. Oh well….
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Dec 20, 2010 9:29 AM PST up reply actions
You mean Bartlett?
Bartlett made around 4 million last year, so after arbitration he will be a little bit cheaper than Tejada.
So to get Bartlett we would have to part with 4 mediocre minor leaguers and we would save a little cash. I would take Bartlett and the cash over Tejada and the minor leaguers.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Dec 20, 2010 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't.
Especially considering Tejada was worth more WAR than him last season.
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Not by rWAR....They were equal last season
Going by rWAR, Bartlett is worth 3 more wins over the last 5 seasons. It is debatable whether 4 minor league scrubs will amass that much over their collective careers.
I could see how you can argue either way, I have slightly more faith in Bartlett moving forward. Chances are, we will be back in the market next offseason as well….
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Dec 20, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
LOL Yankees
Andy Pettitte is still leaning toward retirement, Yankees GM Brian Cashman told Jack Curry of the YES Network. If that doesn’t change, Curry tweets that the Yankees intend to fill the rotation from within and have low interest in Freddy Garcia/Kevin Millwood types.
I was actually kind of hoping that he would go for 300, but it’s been pretty apparent for a couple of years that he didn’t want to pitch that long.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 20, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
My hopes now rest with a successful Jamie Moyer recovery.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 20, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t know. I just wanted to see it.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 20, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t think Andy belongs in the Hall. Now, he will probably be a HOF with or without 300 simply b/c he is seen as clutch in the post season, which is funny b/c he is actually has performed very similarly in the post season and regular season. Also he has like a ring on everyfinger or something. Also also he was a home grown Yankee star.
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by say hey nation on Dec 20, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
Are you saying he’s a True Yankee™?
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I think he would have been a sure-shot HOF but for the steroid thing…but I’m not sure now…
He’s at 240 wins…so a long ways to the magical 300
Also never won an Cy-Young…had a couple of really good seasons (bWAR 7.6 and a couple of 5+) but overall an above average pitcher (50.2 bWAR in 15 years)
Pitchers in the HOF with a lower bWAR than Pettite:
Hoyt Wilhelm (Relief Pitcher)
Rich Gossage (Relief Pitcher)
Catfish Hunter (Career ended at age 33)
Bruce Sutter (Relief Pitcher)
Rollie Fingers (Relief Pitcher)
Satchel Paige (self explanatory)
So if you want to be in the HOF with a career WAR of 50.2, you need to either 1) a relief pitcher or 2) have a short dominant career.
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by say hey nation on Dec 20, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
I think Catfish Hunter is comparable in that he only made it because he pitched for the Yankees.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Is that why? Looking through his stats I was confused as to why he’s a HOF’er.
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by say hey nation on Dec 20, 2010 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
I don't think there are any 300 win pitchers who aren't in the hall (or on their way)
Are there? It’s like 3000 hits.
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You and I both know that that is a whole different issue.
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But Pettitte hasn’t been demonized at all for that stuff. Most people seem to have forgotten that it happened.
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You think Palmeiro will make it to the hall?
He’d be the first eligible with 3K hits not to.
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He won’t. He didn’t apologize like Pettitte did.
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Also, Yankee bias.
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by Murray, Present on Dec 20, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
If Petitte gets in before Barry, and I think its possible, I’m gonna throw a tantrum.
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The mention of 3000 makes me think 65. Sixty fucking five!!!!!! A platoon role would have taken care of that!
/sits in corner and cries.
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by say hey nation on Dec 20, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bondsba01.shtml
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
lol platoon role
Bonds hit .265/.470/.521 against lefties in 07.
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MEDIOCRE BATTING AVERAGE
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I’m just saying he was so fucking close that he didn’t even need a full season to do it.
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by say hey nation on Dec 20, 2010 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
Holy shit
Yuniesky Betancourt hit 16 home runs last year? When did this happen?
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
this may have been said already but the Brewers got the players with the best and worst WAR in baseball over the last two years in that trade.
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by sam23 on Dec 20, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Anyone have any idea when they're going to post "the journey" on the Giants website?
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LOL OTHER TEAMS THAT DID NOT WIN THE 2010 WORLD SERIES
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 20, 2010 12:11 PM PST reply actions
Did I already talk about how much the Good Phight is making me dislike the Phillies?
Recent fanshot:
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by Tony Capo on Dec 18, 2010 9:30 PM PST
I did too
but this:
Now with the return of Cliff Lee, the pitching rotation of the Philadelphia Phillies goes from scary to just plain traumatizing.
Opposing teams best bet to beat Philly is to hope for the fifth starter, though even he would essentially be the third starter in 65 percent of the league or to just hope to face the bullpen before the ninth inning.
When faced with an elite closer, like the Phillies have, it becomes an eight-inning game for the other team. With a rotation like the Phillies, the only hope for opponents to score is by luck or shaky bullpen relief.
/ignores the 20 remaining players on team
Well, the fanshots at most SBN sites are crappy.
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by say hey nation on Dec 20, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
The only closer I’ve ever seen who actually made it an eight-inning game was Eric Gagne.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
But 2009/2010 often made the game a 1 inning game.
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by say hey nation on Dec 20, 2010 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
He made this a zero inning game
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 20, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
No matter how good Lidge has become, whenever I think of him, I still think of that one All Star Game.
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by shanghaijim on Dec 20, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
BUT MADSON CAN’T HANDLE TEH PRESSURE LIKE LIDGE.
Also Lidge is Charlie’s guy.
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by say hey nation on Dec 20, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
One of the good things about winning the World Series
Not having all of the fringe Phillies players in the all star game. And not having to listen to a Foghorn Leghorn stuttering to justify his picks.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 20, 2010 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
Looking forward to Mike Fontenot: All-Star reserve.
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by shanghaijim on Dec 20, 2010 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
"We were told you had to have a utility player on your team," ManuelBochy said. "We went over a bunch of names, and I thought (InfanteFontenot) was the best one on there. He can play all the infield positions and he can play all the outfield positions. And he’s hitting .300 or so."
LOL
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by Cody_ransom on Dec 20, 2010 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
If Charlie Manuel was our manager
I’m sure I would hate him.
But as such, I admire his folksy charm.
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folksy charm
Yeah, he has none of this.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 20, 2010 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, but you will be happy when we face them and Dom Brown sits instead of Ibanez.
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by say hey nation on Dec 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
Phillies fans are innocent enough. I let them talk all the shit they want to me, and when they have a team like the giants, probably another 3 years I am going to bust on them so hard.
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by say hey nation on Dec 20, 2010 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
But but H2O!!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 20, 2010 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
Just listened to Bob Costas on the Mike and Mike show
(I know, gag) but he just finished citing LOLWINS when comparing the Phillies rotation to the other standouts in recent history,,,In each comparrison to 4 or 5 different rotations, he cited WINZZZ.
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by Cody_ransom on Dec 20, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
But if you judged McCovey Chronicles by the content of fanposts and fanshots …
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Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on Dec 20, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
I agree except this follows up three main articles with the following headlines:
Bullpen? We Don’t Need No Stinkin’ Bullpen!
Do We Need a Stinkin’ Bullpen?
How Much (or little) of the Bullpen Can We Really Expect to See in 2011?
Are you a regular reader of the Good Phight?
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on Dec 20, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
Obviously not.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Dec 20, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
Have you read some of the fanshots around here?
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I don't even read mine
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on Dec 20, 2010 12:21 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think I have posted 2 or 3 fanposts
But I post fanshots like a crazy person
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THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
That makes two of us.
j/k
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 20, 2010 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
What is it with going to other sites and running back here with the dirt? It’s tiresome. Please. I don’t give a shit what a bunch of douchebags in Philly think.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 20, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
You get my opinion everyday!
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Dec 20, 2010 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
EXACTLY
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 20, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
MFEO
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on Dec 20, 2010 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t know but it seems to happen a lot on the Internet in general — we go looking for something to upset us, and then share it with others so they may also be upset, and then we’ll all be upset together, and the thing that we found wasn’t even targeted at us in the first place.
I dunno.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on Dec 20, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t get the point of being upset over Phillies fans being excited about their team. They should be excited about their team! It’s not a slight against the Giants if they are excited about their team!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I've posted my fair share of Athletics Nation whining
Is that not kosher?
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
He's using Miami Heat as a good comparison?
The Heat started out as a shambles with no team chemistry. They’ve gotten better recently.
Of course, this is less of an issue in baseball, but I stillwouldn’t put the Heat as a favorite to win the championship at this point, so using them as an example of an “invincible” team is strange.
"Campeones." - Andres Torres
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Dec 20, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
So the Phils fans totally forget that they lost their arguably best hitter in Werth?
he was the absolute anchor RH bat in the lineup
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
Has anyone seen the The Journey vid online yet?
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
CSNBA has "Inside the Club House" at 3pm
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 20, 2010 12:25 PM PST reply actions
GAH
I cannot set my DVR from here!
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THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
I just set it to record at home from my desk at work... muhahahahahah!
Thanks Lars.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 20, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
20-Dec 3:00 PM Inside the Clubhouse: The Journey
23-Dec 6:30 PM Inside the Clubhouse: The Journey
25-Dec 2:30 PM Inside the Clubhouse: The Journey
26-Dec 12:00 PM Inside the Clubhouse: The Journey
30-Dec 7:00 PM Inside the Clubhouse: The Journey
1-Jan 2:00 PM Inside the Clubhouse: The Journey
8-Jan 1:00 AM Inside the Clubhouse: The Journey
10-Jan 2:00 PM Inside the Clubhouse: The Journey
15-Jan 1:00 AM Inside the Clubhouse: The Journey
17-Jan 4:00 PM Inside the Clubhouse: The Journey
22-Jan 5:00 PM Inside the Clubhouse: The Journey
24-Jan 2:00 PM Inside the Clubhouse: The Journey
25-Jan 7:00 PM Inside the Clubhouse: The Journey
29-Jan 1:00 AM Inside the Clubhouse: The Journey
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
In other words
It will be repeated 1,000 times.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
LookoutLanding Jeff Sullivan
The Orioles have offered Adam LaRoche a crazy three-year contract, and he’s still undecided on what he wants to do. What does that tell you?
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THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
LOLaRoche
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
more like LOLrioles
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
OT: Talk about your trades
After Shania Twain was burned by her husband of 14 years, Grammy-winning producer Robert “Mutt” Lange, who left her for her former BFF Marie-Anne Thiébaud, the devastated singer turned to Marie’s broken-hearted hubby, Frédéric Thiébaud, for support.
Yada yada yada, now Shania and Frederic are ready to get hitched, E! News has confirmed.
no cocaine. not 1970s
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
In the ’70’s it was more of a grab bag.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 20, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
i think cocaine spans all generations, sadly.
’60s was psycodelics (acid, LSD, shrooms)
’70s cocaine&disco
’80s just cocaine
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
This is really not accurate. For instance acid and LSD are the same thing.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 20, 2010 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
its probably not accurate, you’re right- I don’t do drugs
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
It’s not a speedball without the china white.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 20, 2010 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
white and speed blog!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 20, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
heroin probably gained prominence in the ’80s, but its use is probably more widespread today than it was when it first took hold.
I’ve seen so, so many kids OD’ing on H, ecstacy, Oxy…. it’s sad, man. the American landscape is littered with illegal drugs (and prescription opiates)
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
Dude, nutmeg is the newest thing.
Not even kidding.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
yeah, yeah I’ve heard about that, though it’s been around for a few years
you grind it up, and it provides the effects of shrooms (if done right). if you take too much, you can OD from that, too
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
Don’t forget — cocaine was also the 20s, when it was legal! and popular! Unlike alcohol, of course, which was just popular.
MY DAD WAS WRONG!
coca-cola
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
Cocaine: the wonder drug of the late 19th century.
Was Holmes on coke or heroin?
In my fanfic Tom Sawyer is always on coke. It’s a prescription. For his headaches. Huck just drinks. He’s turning into his father — which, if you tell him that, will make him try to gut you with one of his many, many knives, as Jo March found out while they were on the Nautilus.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
well, cocaine was in coca-cola, so i’d imagine it wasnt even a ’script
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
Holmes' Used Coke
The finest in pre-owned coke, crack and narcotic accesssories!
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 21, 2010 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
Opium den ftw!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 20, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
Advantage: Frederic.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 20, 2010 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
PRODUCED ALL THE LATER AC/DC ALBUMS
Brian Sabean: Sing His Praises To The Heavens!
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game that seems to have resurrected itself in my absence...
If I here one more thing about the playing field in Minnesota I’m not gonna watch the game.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Dec 20, 2010 12:51 PM PST reply actions
And now Favre may play, so you can hear about the field AND Brett Favre.
THE THING IS, IT HAPPENED - 11/1/10
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Dec 20, 2010 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
I say yes...
76.3 B-R oWAR over 15 seasons…7 years of 5+ oWAR (7 in an 8 year period of time)…
Career Slash line: .297/.408/.540 and 449 Homers
Decent defensively….
Eye ball test: One of the most feared hitters in mid 1990s to early 2000…especially with that exaggerate stance he had…
Fuckin' A
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Dec 20, 2010 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
Bonds
Griffey
then Bagwell?
Aaron King, please pitch better.
McC Wiki - for all you newcomers out there.
OT- anyone here into origami?
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
I'm trying to make this train engine for someone...
And I had a question. But I think I got it. At least for the moment. If you’re interested though…this is kinda a cool link: http://origami.happymagpie.com/display.php?TRAIN&size=L&pg=1
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
I've just now made it page 2...
We’ll see how much longer I last.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
I'm into but can never do it...
The first 3-4 steps were always simple enough but then step 4/5 would involve some sort of magical transformation from a triple-creased piece of paper into a bird…
Yeah...
The amount of half-finished owls/bears/monkeys/etc. I have lying around my room is insane.
Though…youtube is a Godsend.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
I was when I was a kid. I can still fold some stuff.
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I used to be but my lawyer advised me to stop.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 20, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
Wow
I really read this sentence wrong the first time.
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...
Do I want to know?
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
probably not. scouts got a dirty mind.
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
hahha, we know what’s on your mind
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
Want some comedy?
This is a couple copied and pasted messages from my old roommate, who is now a baseball coach at CSUMB. It’s worth noting he is a Red Sox fan, but I only started hearing him talk about the Sox in 2004 (and I’ve known him since 2002).
Like I said good luck, you have to remember other teams will make adjustments to the giants and every other team. Do you think their pitching can do the same next year? Maybe but you have to remember the more innings the less effective a pitcher. Lincecum is ready for a major arm injury as well as Cain. Sanchez is a headcase and injury-prone, and Bumgartner is only 20 so he won’t be good anytime soon. So if one or two goes down what happens to that team? The offense is anemic at best for a season. They got hot for a 2 week stretch in the playoffs and hats off to that. They got lucky every team they met went cold for a week. You should just be happy they’re in the worst division of baseball so there is always a chance to get in the playoffs
This is where I prove that the offense actually underperformed in the playoffs.
Exactly they got hot cause their offense as a whole sucks ass. And don’t think Huff’s gonna hit 28 homers again. He got a big contract and now he’ll suck ass just like Zito dod when the Giants signed him. And its about innings logged not about mechanics for the pitchers. Giants still suck in my mind and that’s all that matters to me.
This is an ongoing thing, I’ve been battling this motherfucker for weeks
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
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Oh, wow...those are brilliant arguments right there...
My favorite are the people who are still taking cheap shots at Timmy because he’s short. i.e. “Lincecum will be better than Lee!? Are you kidding!? Lee is horse, Timmy is just a little waif of a thing!”
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Tell him:
The Red Sox didn’t make it to the playoffs in 2010…
Adrian Gonzalez is coming off of shoulder surgery
The addition of Gonzalez/Crawford (10.4 oWAR) is not likely to yield that much more in wins after losing Beltre/Martinez (9.3 oWAR)
David Ortiz is another year older…
and their SP rotation is still missing 3 pieces…
good info
copied and pasted, sent to him… awaiting reply, lol
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
…and they serve hot dogs on a slice of white bread.
Playoff baseball is fun. We should do this more often.
next time im in boston, i will be sure to not let them chop off any of my white bread skin for their hot dogs.
crazy bostonians
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
KNEEL BEFORE ZITO DOD
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THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
this one just in…
You wanted to a make bet with a month left in the season. At least when you made your A’s bet it was the beginning of the year! And it is about innings pitch as well as mechanics, why do you think there are pitch counts used to track pitchers. Strasburg’s injury game from over use at SDSU and pitchers like Prior, etc. That threw 150 pitches in a start in college, all those innings add up in the long run. With Cain and pot head their innings pitched are catching up to them so hopefully they have good genes and their arms won’t go bust. But you’re the baseball expert so I should be you, right? I’ll just call you Buster Olney from now on. The giants offense sucks plain and simple and they over performed in the playoffs each and every one of them. Look at their numbers through the season.. That’s why I said they got hot in the playoffs cuase they scored a bunch of runs. And for Bonds I didn’t give a cheat about roiding up, you still have to hit the ball so I’ll call bs on your bonds comment
(i wanted to make a bet the Giants would do better than the Sox, in July when SF was 1 game over .500)- ive told him, and proved to him, 3 times now that the Giants hitters actually underperformed (except Ross and Renteria) in the playoffs. and he used to tell me Bonds was a cheater, so my argument would be invalid.
God, how I love people who have no clue what they are talking about but act like they know all, then run from the argument when presented evidence, still saying they are right.
I probably won’t be friends with James much longer. Can’t stand annoying Red Sox fans
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
Why do you talk to this guy at all?
Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.
I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog
THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
It’s wierd, in that he’s a good guy to party with, but otherwise is a douche. That said, I did live with him for 6 months and he is insufferable.
I have trouble cutting people off, I’ll still indulge them even though I know they are assholes.
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
Man I would never talk baseball with this guy,
And if he ever asks why, I would say, “You are ignorant, and there is no helping you” then move on to another subject.
Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.
I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog
THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
Politics and religion might be a place to visit with him…
Playoff baseball is fun. We should do this more often.
Yes, those seem like promising avenues.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 20, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
This is what I always wonder about these… I just try to avoid talking about baseball unless I’m at a game or with someone I know well.
Never mind some fairweather Red Nex Nation fool.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 20, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
If nothing else...
Its somewhat amusing, and it gives you a chance to brag about the Giants :p.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
if the Sox had won the WS this past year, I’d be clicking delete on the messages.
since the Giants won, I got the shit talking rights, and im abusing them
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 3:47 PM PST up reply actions
Clearly his argument deserves a point-for-point rebuttal comprised entirely by quotes from What About Bob (1991).
Look out. I'm having a thought.
::sad trombone::
i dont remember this movie. i was only 8 when it came out
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
GIANTPAIN WE NEED U
(wow, that works on so many levels)
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
I don’t know which I find more offensive: his tone, his fallacies, or his shoddy writing.
Look out. I'm having a thought.
Interesting coming from a Red Sox fan
Dice-K: 207 GS and 1402.3 IP before making a single start for the RS four years ago
Also:
In the quarterfinal of the 1998 Summer Koshien, Matsuzaka threw 250 pitches in 17 innings in a win over powerhouse PL Gakuen.4 (The previous day he had thrown a 148-pitch complete game shutout.) The next day, despite trailing 6-0 in the top of the eighth inning, the team miraculously won the game after scoring 7 runs in the final two innings (four in the eighth and three in the ninth). He started the game in left field, but came in as a reliever in the ninth inning to record the win in 15 pitches. In the final, he threw a no-hitter,5 the second ever in a final. This performance garnered him the attention of many scouts.
[Pitcher] is ready for a major arm injury as well as [pitcher].
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"Sanchez is a headcase and injury-prone"
Sanchez has yet to have any major injuries in his career. If anything held him back, it was ineffectiveness.
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He was talking about JonaFred Sanchez.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 20, 2010 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
I guess “headcase” could refer to dark, Dodger-fan past.
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Some mildly interesting Jayson Stark fare
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=5932950
• In Game 4 of the NLCS, both teams hooked their starting pitchers (Joe Blanton and Madison Bumgarner) before the fifth inning — which was kind of unusual because they were both leading when they were pulled. How many times had that happened in a postseason game? That would be nada.
That lineup those unbeatable San Francisco Giants ran out there in Game 1 of the World Series had exactly two position players playing in the same place you could have located them on Opening Day. (That would be Edgar Renteria, at shortstop, and Aubrey Huff, at first base.)
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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
…and the Renteria thing was not by design. Huff played all year and earned the spot. Renteria was only playing because Pablo couldn’t be trusted, so it’s really like 1 position player who survived the season
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
Posted this also on the Book forum . . .
Carl Crawford To Open Antiquarian Bookstore in Boston
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He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 20, 2010 3:07 PM PST reply actions
Scurrilous knaves.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 20, 2010 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
I hate that subjective reasoning....
Giants still suck in my mind and that’s all that matters to me.
how can i copy and paste this pic to send it to my Red Sox buddy who just said that? ps- im using facebook, if that makes a difference
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
im not to face book savvy but i think you can just right-click it and save the picture.
and then just post it on his wall
i should just link him to this pic, and he can see just how wrong he is.
then you can all beat me down for leading a Red Sox fan here
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
If he came here he’d get ripped to shreds…I’m sure enough anger would be taken out on him that you’d be forgiven…
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
hmm… how do i link to a specific post? you guys were talking about that recently IIRC
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
erm…I don’t know…but someone did mention it earlier. lemme me see if I can dig it up…
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Apparently...
“The link is in the timestamp”. Does that help?
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Click the date/timestamp on a post. The URL appears in your browser’s Address field. Copy it, and click the link (hyperlink) icon in the SBN post or reply box, then paste the URL in the field that appears.
Preview, always preview.
Playoff baseball is fun. We should do this more often.
oh, ok… gotcha. i never noticed the timestamps were linked like that.
thanks man (cause there are no wimmins on the intertubes)
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 20, 2010 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, ok.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 20, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions
OT: Everyone done with Holiday shopping?
I have to buy a camera for my dad but other than that I’m done…
Just started. Walked Valencia earlier this afternoon (wife and I only buy gifts for each other from local retailers).
Playoff baseball is fun. We should do this more often.
Ah. I’ve only been to SF twice, and didn’t recall seeing a Valencia St. there. The city was my only point of reference in CA. :)
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 20, 2010 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
I did that Saturday… love all the little shops. I miss x-21 though.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 20, 2010 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
What did they do with all that inventory (there was a basement as well)?
Playoff baseball is fun. We should do this more often.
I’ve wondered about that myself…
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 20, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
I am.
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