Edgar Renteria and the Case of the Overly Sensitive World Series Hero
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 17, 2010 10:57 AM PST
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PrintYou do it too. If you get a $200 holiday bonus from your boss, and if the crayon-chewing clock-watcher from the cubicle next to you gets a $400 holiday bonus, you’d probably be ticked. Really ticked. Disrespected, even. But in some countries, 200 American dollars is a substantial sum. It could probably buy a home in parts of Africa, South America, or Michigan. And there you are, complaining that your boss gave you -- gave you! -- $200, even though he wasn’t obligated to give you a cent over your salary.
When someone tells it to you like that, well, you gain a little perspective, and you might feel a little silly for complaining, but then you look across the cubicle farm. You see the guy who got the bigger bonus rip out his flash drive without unmounting it. Without unmounting it! That guy got a bigger bonus? That guy gets paid more? The blood starts to boil again. If you need more to be outraged, your co-worker can stick the flash drive in his nose and say "Duuuuuhhhh" in your scenario.
What’s the baseball equivalent of a player with a flash drive in his nose?
Neifi Perez didn’t win a World Series for the Cubs. Nope. What Neifi Perez did do was snap some pictures of a drunken Jim Hendry going to the bathroom in a Toys for Tots donation box, which led to a two-year, $5M deal from the Cubs. Then, miraculously, the Cubs were actually able to trade him the following year. He wasn’t just traded for any player, either -- he was traded for the lead singer of The Black Crowes. It was one of the most lopsided deals in baseball history. Perez then hit for a .470 OPS in 141 at-bats for the Tigers. While making $2.5M.
That’s what Edgar Renteria thinks about when the Giants offer him $1M to sit on the bench. Maybe not that exact scenario, but he’s just thinking within the bubble of the baseball world. He chose his words poorly. He was a Brooks Conrad away from being remembered in San Francisco only as an $18M mummy. But it’s not unreasonable for Renteria to think, "Wait, I’m worth more than $1M, dang it. I’m a World Series hero. I can still play, I know I can. Teams pay $1M for complete scrubs. That description does not describe me, no sir."
It’s unfortunate that he whined publicly. I don’t blame him for being offended, though. It’s easy for us to complain that he plays a kid’s game for millions and suggest that he should just shut his yap, but players are paid to add value to a franchise. Owners don’t think of teams as shiny model train sets, paying players like they’re rare Lionel cars just for the hell of it. Players are paid with the idea that they’ll excite the fanbase and/or help their team win, which would lead to increased revenue. When a player is underpaid, the money doesn’t go to sick orphans; it goes back to the owners. If I felt that I was underpaid in that scenario, it would tick me off, kid’s game or no.
I also don’t blame the Giants for lowballing Renteria. They need a backup shortstop, but they have a full roster, too. The difference between Renteria and Mike Fontenot faking shortstop for a couple dozen games might be worth $1M. It might not be. The Giants are being pragmatic, not nostalgic. No one's wrong. Renteria was just vocal when he didn't need to be.
In conclusion, it isn’t March yet. That's the real tragedy. Winter is lame.
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I volunteer . . .
. . . to be wrong. In fact, I insist.
But not until after lunch.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 17, 2010 11:01 AM PST reply actions
In conclusion, it isn’t March yet. That’s the real tragedy. Winter is lame.
Actually, theres still 4 more days of Autumn.
All days without baseball are “winter” days in the figurative sense.
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by gallo del cielo on Dec 17, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
The Giants won the World Series. This is the winter of mild passing annoyances.
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by satyricrash on Dec 17, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
I’m already sick of the rain.
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Falling asleep listening to the rain hit the gutter is one of the nicer small pleasures of life.
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This rain is great. I feel like it’s been a decade since I’ve seen so much.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 17, 2010 10:57 PM PST up reply actions
I love rain. I love storms. If I lived in the southeast I’d be one of those wackos who don’t leave under mandatory evacuation.
Luckily I live here now. Also, that SF is nowhere as hot and muggy the rest of the year as the Southeast (usually) is (I here this year it’s frickin’ cold.)
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To be fair, it’s the best winter since 1954.
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by Soulbrother16 on Dec 17, 2010 3:09 PM PST up reply actions
Renteria just Bengied himself
It could have ended so admirably for the fans and his legacy, but he chose to whine and ruin the ending.
So long, Edgar. Thanks for the Home Run. The Giants paid you handsomely for two years and you rewarded them with the biggest home run in history. All good things come to an end.
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by jctGamer on Dec 17, 2010 11:04 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I'm sad to see him go...
But I wish he realized he is just not wroth a big contract anymore.
Only if there was more Pat Burrells in the world.
This
So agree. Pat Burrell should get one year contracts for as long as he wants to play baseball because his loyalty and love of the team and the city are unmatched. We did not need to sign him, but he wanted to stay for what we could afford. Renteria and Uribe did not feel the same so they will be viewed as grey area players when they come back into town. Not quite JT Snow and not quite Jeff Kent. Heck, we even cheer for Jeff Kent now so maybe when we do a 20 year aniversary of this championship we will go crazy for all of these lovable players, even the Velezes. Actually, I know we will because this season was so great and in 20 years we will cherish even more.
by D-T on Dec 17, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That's nonsense. Uribe got 21 million from the Dodgers.
When Burrell gets another offer, tell me about loyalty. For a guy who was the second best offensive player and played an inconsistent but at times brilliant defense, Uribe got lowballed by the Giants. If Huff was worth his contract, Uribe was worth 21 million. I’m not sure I would have given it to him, but he didn’t fleece the Dodgers by any means.
How are you measuring offensive excellence?
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 17, 2010 6:35 PM PST up reply actions
RBIs, HRs, clutch hits
Perhaps they don’t tell the whole story, but if Uribe wasn’t 2 in the offense, who was?
I would say Huff, Torres and maybe Posey all were better offensively.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 17, 2010 6:40 PM PST up reply actions
That's ridiculous. Huff, yes, but
the others, no. Posey only played part of the year, and Torres is an outfielder who had 12 fewer RBI.
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 17, 2010 6:51 PM PST up reply actions
Pro-rate Posey's performance and see what you get.
And remember, Andres missed two weeks with the surgery and was ailing for quite a while before that, besides being the lead-off hitter and they always have fewer RBIs because they follow the pitcher in the line-up.
by mrs. owlcroft on Dec 17, 2010 6:52 PM PST up reply actions
posey
was worth more batting runs while he was here than Uribe was the whole season.
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
I won't go too far into this...
But if you’re going to use RBIs as a way to measure offense, you’re about to get roasted.
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RBI's?
Sabean?
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We...
…are talking about Juan Uribe, he of the worst regular batting average on the team, right? With a dash of horrible on-base percentage? Coming off a career power year at 31, clocking in at well north of 200 pounds? I admit I don’t know much about more advanced stat metrics in baseball (know more about hoops in that regard, and want to learn more on baseball), but it’s not exactly a stretch to envision Uribe’s contract becoming an albatross for the Dodgers.
I'm not seeing it.
Not saying it’s going to be a great contract, a very good one, or even an average one.
But it’s also not exactly on the same level as Andruw Jones when it comes to ‘albatross,’ either.
The Dodgers have enough ‘true’ albatross contracts in the last decade that Uribe would have to be breathtakingly awful to get into the conversation.
Which doesn’t mean it can’t happen, but he’s starting the race about ten meters behind the rest of the field.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 18, 2010 1:23 AM PST up reply actions
When you bat leadoff, you don't get many chances to get RBIs, dumbass.
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He's right
Show some respect.
When you back leadoff, you don’t get many chances to get RBIs, Mister Dumbass.
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by quincy0191 on Dec 18, 2010 1:06 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
#Huff
#Torres
#Posey
#Burrell
#Franchez
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
RBIs don’t measure the hitter’s ability. They measure the ability of the previous guys to get on base and into scoring position. HRs? Really? While everyone loves dingerz they don’t tell the whole story. And while he might have been “clutch” on certain occasions, you can just easily argue that Rent was the best player on the Giants for his two game-winning HRs. I mean, sure, Uribe was clutch in a few SSS occasions, but being clutch isn’t really a repeatable skill.
That's nonsense, tantamount to Joe Morgan's comment that batting average
doesn’t matter. RBIs ALONE don’t measure offensive ability, and there are better single statistics, but to say they don’t measure offensive ability is just wrong.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 17, 2010 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
LARS!
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"second best offensive player"
by what measure? Because by wRC+, wRAA, and wOBA he was 6th
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
Uribe lowballed?
Let’s sober up. I like Uribe. I would have liked him back — especially for his glove. But not for $21mil. This is another Colletti/Dodger fiasco. Good for Juan. Good for the Giants.
Don't believe everything you think.
Yeah, that’s kinda uncool. I really hate public whining about disrespect and how a player is worth so much more than he was offered. Lame.
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by can of corn on Dec 17, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
nah
Bengie was pretty whiny all the time about “respect.”
This is just two quotes from Edgar saying basically he didn’t appreciate being low-balled, and well he was. I just don’t see this tarnishing Renteria’s legacy.
After all: Edgar won the World Series with the Giants. Bengie did not.
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 17, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
but he chose to whine and ruin the ending
TWSS
Playoff baseball is fun. We should do this more often.
by bgunn on Dec 17, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Eh, his legacy is probably safe
I really don’t think I’ll remember this is four years.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
This is four years? Good god, how time flies.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 17, 2010 10:59 PM PST up reply actions
In Conclusion
The Giants won the World Series.
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Yes, they did, didn’t they? The Giants won the 2010 World Series. They’ve STILL won it, right? That can’t be undone, right?
The moving finger having writ can’t unwrit or something like that.
I was just hoping that the glow — which is still there — would remain untarnished for a little while longer.
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Dec 17, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
The Giants won the World Series
What I like is that if you go to the baseball scores section of any website, WS game 5 is still the only thing showing.
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by LeMasterBlaster on Dec 17, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
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Coughlin’s law: never show surprise, never lose your cool.
Coughlin’s law: never tell tales about a woman, she’ll hear you no matter how far away she is.
Coughlin’s Law: bury the dead, they stink up the place.
And, of course…
Coughlin’s diet: cocktails and dreams.
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by Josh from Hollywood on Dec 17, 2010 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
I did not like that movie, but never disliked it enough to like it, like “Road House”. I guess it was hard to like Brian Brown in anything after seeing him in the atrocious “Tai-Pan”.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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by natteringnabob on Dec 17, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
I feel like Tom Cruise in Cocktail!
you ever been on a real shrimpin' boat?
no, but i've been on a real big boat
Giants, Cubs Discussed Rowand-Fukudome Swap
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Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
This makes so much sense
Therefore it will never happen
it makes sense for the Giants
it makes zero sense for the Cubs
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The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
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I don’t know, I think Rowand would do well in Wrigley. Small park, wind blows out a lot
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I don’t see how Rowand would fare better at Wrigley, other than the old ‘change of scenery’ thing.
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I’m pretty sure some players really benefit from a change of scenery. Rowand wasn’t a terrible player when he was signed. Flawed? Sure, what player isn’t (other than Willie Mays) but not close your eyes and pray he never has another at bat atrocious. It would surprise me if he went back to Philly, either Chicago park, Toronto, even Arlington that he would have a much better season.
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eh
If savvy equalized the $$, they could get 2 years of disappointing OF for the price of one!
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when I see stories like this
I like to think of the ambiguity in the term “discussion”.
Hendry: Hey, that Rowand isn’t as bad as you think. If you pay $11,999,999 of his annual salary we’ll let him play on our roster.
Sabean: No way man, but if you pay $11,999,999 of his salary we’ll consider taking only two or three prospects in return. I’d keep discussing this, but I have Hal Steinbrenner on the other line. We’re discussing a deal for Barry Zito.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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by natteringnabob on Dec 17, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
It makes perfect sense for the Cubs
In the sense that the Cubs make terrible decisions and spend tons of money with no wins to show for it.
I believe they call that "The Jim Hendry Special"
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And all the racist Aaron Rowand paraphernalia those Cubs fans come up with would actually be hilarious.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 17, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
It's Fukudome you idiot not Ichiro. Or maybe Sabes could pull a 3 way....
Fukudome from the Cubs to the Mariners, Ishikawa from the Giants to the Cubs and Ichiro from the Mariners to the Giants. And yes, just to balance things out, we will throw Rowand into the deal. He can play for the Cubs before the All Star break and then can abruptly transfer to Seattle after the break.
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by Penitentiary Face on Dec 17, 2010 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
I saw the Black Crowes at the Fillmore on Weds night
And I can tell you that Chris Robinson was wearing a t-shirt that read:
CAIN’S DANCING
Now while this may have to do more with a famous honky-tonk in Oklahoma, than the dancing powers of one Matthew Cain…..I chose to believe what I wanted to the entire show. SO THERE.
I’d also like to see Edgar back in SF next year, but I’ve bought the Edgar MVP t-shirt and will wear it proudly no matter what.
I understand Edgar being upset with the offer, I understand the Giants low balling him.
What I don’t understand is the venom of so many Giants fans this morning.
So, fuck it. Holiday party this afternoon then drunken shenanigans with the Black Crowes again this evening at the Fillmore. I’ll be just fine.
I always believed in Edgar, and you know what: I WAS FUCKING RIGHT.
Giants won the Series, Edgar was a huge, huge part of that, and I’m not silly enough to let a couple quotes change any of that.
Happy Holidays, y’all!
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 17, 2010 11:10 AM PST reply actions
“the dancing powers of one Matthew Cain”
Backup dancer at best!
by Seasick fish on Dec 17, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
I’ll admit, I never believed in Renteria (he was part of the inspiration for my previous sig of “I DON’T BELIEVE YOU”). I still don’t, although his WS play was pretty great on occasion.
But you know what? He got paid a shitload of money over the last couple of years, and was hurt most of the time. He’s not terribly durable, and not really necessary on the team right now. The Giants didn’t even need to make an offer. If he doesn’t want it, fine – decline. Don’t go whining all over the place.
So that’s why I’m spitting some venom his way.
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by can of corn on Dec 17, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
Fair enough
Don’t go whining all over the place.
I’m just suggesting that he isn’t “whining all over the place”….all this Giants fan outrage was stirred up over two quotes.
Michael Urban has tweeted more about this than Edgar even said. I understand it’s his job to fuel outrage, I’m just a little surprised and bummed that so many Giants fans are allowing themselves to be stroked into an angry rage that IMHO ain’t really worth it.
It’s a light news week.
It’s Winter.
Ho ho ho
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 17, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
I agree that it’s really not that big of a deal. Poor choice of words, but whatever. He wants more money, the Giants probably don’t want to give it to him. They’ll all be friends in the long run.
Also, Neifi Perez made $20 million playing baseball. Hot dam.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 17, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
I’ll be right sometime next week!
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 18, 2010 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
I don't blame you for buying the Edgar MVP T-shirt.
I’d buy it and wear it myself right now.
But he’s still wrong.
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Dec 17, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
Edgar will always have a place in the Giants walk of fame no matter what happens.
He is a guy that can make a difference in big games and it wasn’t just in WS Game 5, what about the clutch HR to get us on the board in WS Game 2? He always seemed to come up big when needed. I’m frankly concerned we are putting our SS eggs in the Miggy basket. I’d like to know what Edgar was expecting in terms of a 1 year deal. $3mm? $5mm? If he is overpaid slightly, I can live with it. He is like my Giants 2010 World Series Championship keychain which reminds me every time I pull my CLS550 out of the garage – I could give a fuck about the quality of my ride, instead I’m just thinking “DID THE GIANTS REALLY JUST WIN THE WORLD SERIES?” then I look at my key chain, license plate frames, the paraphenelia on my office walls, my customized black and orange Nike ID trainers which reads “Torture” on my left heel and “Has Ended” on my right – and THEN look at myself in the mirror just to make sure I see my reflection and to confirm it is not a dream and then I know ALL IS RIGHT IN THE WORLD.
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by Penitentiary Face on Dec 17, 2010 5:49 PM PST up reply actions
Ah, Neifi Perez
We wish we knew how to quit you.
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by Stuttering John Tamargo on Dec 17, 2010 11:13 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
someone thought enough of him to walk him intentionally that one time.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
Skinny chicken = "Neifi" chicken
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I am more angry
at forgetting that he was signed as an FA. I remembered him as part of the great Deivi Cruz/Jose Castillo/Uribe line of scrap heap infielder pickups.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 17, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
I agree with Grant (as usual), but it's still hard to believe
that Miguel Tejada’s services are $5.5 million more valuable.
considering the durability history of the two, it certainly is.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
absolutely this.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 17, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
This is Sabean's flawed and idiotic logic: since Huff signed for a low figure and outperformed,
he deserves to get overpaid in his contract; since Renteria (admittedly, due to injuries) underperformed during his contract, he gets lowballed. The problem with this kind of thinking is that it brings no benefits, since the past is the past. If Renteria’s services are worth two or three mil next year, then a good GM pays the amount. I would have offered him 2.5 mil.
Remember, Huff did get other offers.
Maybe he took less from the Giants out of loyalty, but Sabean had to make a competitive offer. Huff isn’t nearly as rich as Renteria, you know.
by mrs. owlcroft on Dec 17, 2010 6:53 PM PST up reply actions
Huff wasn't overpaid.
Carlos Pena got $10mil…and he hit .198. Huff is worth his contract.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
It wasn’t a bad contract considering the other contracts that were signed. It’s a two year deal guaranteed I think which doesn’t seem to weigh the team down contractually and Huff has the flexibility to move to LF when/if Belt comes up this season.
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t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Something no one has mentioned — hasn’t that offer been on the table for several days now?
Weren’t there rumors that he was considering it?
How long did it take for ER to decide that he had been insulted?
If you’re given a Christmas bonus that is $200 less than an undeserving co-worker, don’t you usually know IMMEDIATELY that you’ve been dissed?
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Dec 17, 2010 11:18 AM PST reply actions
But the giant slugger in the other cube also got $200.
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by Soulbrother16 on Dec 17, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, but Renteria KNEW about “the idiot in the next cube”.
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Dec 17, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
Where I work, this year it was a $50 Wal Mart Gift Card. Sometimes I miss my old sales job. Not often though :-)
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Where is Dan Burkhart going to play ?
Were they the sugar cookies with the big sugar crystals on top ?
I love those !
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Where is Dan Burkhart going to play ?
lucky you
Where I work it was an 8.5% pay cut
Shake n bake!!!
by TehGreekStallion on Dec 17, 2010 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
Well, if it’s like our house, the one that works in the school always ends up with the holiday cold/flu. If speculation yesterday comes true, this will be at least 4 years in a row.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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by natteringnabob on Dec 17, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
I got my first one ever, today! I am still in awe.
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 17, 2010 6:55 PM PST up reply actions
How long did it take for ER to decide that he had been insulted?
About as long as it took for Edgar to get this phone call from his agent:
Agent: Err, Eddie, seems like that Giants offer is the only one on the table. Seems St. Louis & Florida aren’t interested. Some bullshit about disabled lists and some such nonsense…I stopped listening after a while. So what you need to do now is to whip up some tears and get SF to sweeten that offer. I know, appeal to the nostalgic, grateful and hopefully amnesiac fan base.
The American Media said he was "considering it". I know news travels slowly but he was pissed
as soon as the offer hit Venezuela. Miggy $6.5mm? Uribe $21mm 3 years? Rent is saying “Chupa mi cabra”. The tradeoff is that most of these guys have not seen pay days like Edgars. That’s the differentiator between Pat and the latino players Pat is a hometown guy and the WS championship means something to him. Hell, Uribe couldn’t wait to shed the Giant’s uni and go slip on the putrid Dodger Blue. The Latinos don’t care – give me the money, show me respect and if I think I am better than the guy in the other cubicle, fuck off! You don’t think there are nosepicking leftfielders making more money than Pat? Pat will come in and bust his ass and if he has anything close to what he had last year, I could see him getting a $5mm-$7mm a year deal with someone in the American League. But Pat has been to the top of the mountain. He has had the big pay day. 2010 was pretty special to him and he has checked his ego at the door.
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by Penitentiary Face on Dec 17, 2010 5:58 PM PST up reply actions
Chasm?
Because this is crazy racist otherwise.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
That’s just how it is in the penitentiary.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 17, 2010 6:20 PM PST up reply actions
I doubt it's racist.
More like, culturalist or something. I don’t think “latino” is being used in a racial manner here.
The idea is the same.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
I'll play devil's advocate for a sec here....
The post was poorly written, yes. But the author’s point might have simply been that Latino players have little reason to care about the rivalries and what not that have developed in the US. Unless Uribe grew up rooting for the Giants (I have no idea if he did), why should it be significant to him that he went to the Dodgers? Its like when US players go to Japan…how many of them actually care about the particulars of Japanese baseball culture? They just want to play the game.
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WTF is this comment
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DAMNED COLOREDS!
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I eagerly await his thoughts on the Japanese players.
Also, women in the military.
Look out. I'm having a thought.
I commend Penitentiaryface for saying what he believed...
…and knowing that he was going to get busted by the Bay Area Politically Correct Thought Police.
I myself have no real understanding that there is any correlation between team loyalty and ethnicity.
But I’m probably not allowed to state what I think about the immigration issue. And I KNOW that I am not allowed to say what I think about women in the military.
I wasn’t even allowed to talk honestly about Renel.
Some day, I’ll start my own blog for heretic Giants fans. But right now, it sounds too much like work.
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Dec 17, 2010 9:22 PM PST up reply actions
There already is one of those blogs.
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 17, 2010 9:49 PM PST up reply actions
Person A: “Something racist!”
Person B: “That’s racist.”
Person C: “WAAA POLITICAL CORRECTNESS!”
Shut up.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 17, 2010 11:16 PM PST up reply actions
Tangent: It's fashionable on the Internet (and really, everywhere else) to bash political correctness.
I don’t like that. The point of political correctness is that, you know, people don’t get offended. I can’t respect someone who isn’t willing to change wording to make it less offensive.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
by El Person on Dec 17, 2010 11:53 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The point of political correctness is also, you know, to be correct. As in: not wrong. Which is a fucking good thing to be.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 17, 2010 11:56 PM PST up reply actions
You can be politically correct and wrong, I think.
I live in Washington, so “Politically Correct” might mean something different to me, but not all political correctness is correct.
I don’t think it’s Politically Correct to say that, say, Social Security benefits need to be cut, or that we spend too much on Medicare, or that we need to cut defense spending.
That doesn’t make those things untrue. But they’re not politically correct.
I think ‘politically correct’ is a perfectly fine thing to accuse someone else of being if they’re not taking tough or realistic stands on important issues.
I don’t think you can just be an ignorant douche and then accuse everyone else of political correctness.
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Well, maybe but when people use “political correctness” on the internet (and what we are discussing here) it usually means “Why won’t people let me say things that are offensive???”
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I think it originated with politicians unwilling to say anything to anyone that could be remotely offensive.
Which is not an admirable trait.
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I think that’s the original meaning of the term, but it has mutated to, “People are getting on my case for being racist/sexist/homophobic!”
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
If you do look at this in a political context, often times you’ll see blowhards bloviating on TV about something blowing up in their faces, and they’ll scream OMG Political Correctness!!! That’s something we see all too often.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
If you’re saying something wrong in a way that is designed not to offend people, I don’t consider that political correctness at all. It certainly fits the popular connotations of the phrase – I acknowledge that – but it misses the whole point of the practice.
We’re definitely talking about different things, though. You seem to be taking a pretty hard line on the “political” side of this. I think, in practice, the term covers a much broader base.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 18, 2010 12:04 AM PST up reply actions
I feel like that’s not a satisfactory response to your comment, but I think the important thing is that we’re talking about what appear to be much different definitions of the term. The definition I hold myself to is, I’ll admit, nonstandard.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 18, 2010 12:08 AM PST up reply actions
I think you’re conflating “politically correct” with “politically expedient”.
Suggesting that we cut Medicare is political suicide. Definitely not the latter.
“Politically correct” generally refers to wording things in such a way as to properly respect persons and classes.
In its more cynical aspect, it means saying things in a contrived manner to avoid offending someone.
That’s where it gets annoying:
When I avoid pigeonholing ethnic minorities or referring to gender stereotypes, it’s because I sincerely believe what I’m saying;
I’m not tiptoeing to make sure everyone’s happy. I mean it.
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by waelwulf on Dec 18, 2010 12:05 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
True, but I think we can admit that SOME double standards do exist
After all, I remember during the 08 campaign when Obama talked about the crisis of missing fathers in African-American families (link) was a great message and a very important one, but I’m not sure it would have been well recieved if the message came from, you know, Bush or McCain.
That’s the kind of thing that can frustrate people. But it’s not a big deal. And of course, it’s no excuse to be a bigot.
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Well, that’s true, but context matters. In any case, I don’t really think that if Bush or McCain said the same thing it would necessarily be the “same message”. (As in, their wording would likely be a lot different and, yes, in the end, someone like them talking about an experience that isn’t their own comes off much differently.)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I wouldn’t’ve trusted Bush to address the issue without making categorical statements or accidentally-or-otherwise implying some sort of causal relationship, but maybe that has more to do with entrenched perceptions of the Republican party than anything else. Maybe McCain could have, at least back before he went off his nut completely.
Yes, that’s one of those “Well what about _” hangups, and it is frustrating, but I think that the “PC” thing averages out for the better. Which is why I am giddily anticipating my BAPCTP badge.
Look out. I'm having a thought.
Damnit
My BAPCTP membership card isn’t in the mail yet.
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Sorry about the delay. The office is really in a rush with all the holiday applicants. We’ll get it out to you by New Year at the latest.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 17, 2010 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
And FWIW
There’s no inherent value in saying what you believe if you’re, you know, wrong.
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LOL “you weren’t allowed to talk honestly about Renel.” You had an opinion about her that some disagree with and some agree with.
There wasn’t an issue until you started saying she had an STD for no reason other than to be a jerk.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
At first he was just saying “I don’t like Renel.” Then he started responding to every comment that disagreed with him with something like, “Renel is shrill and annoying!”
Then he started with “Renel has the clap!” or something, at which point I told him to knock it off.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Did someone calmly explain that that’s just the PA system?
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
clap clap clapclapclap clapclapclapclap
LET’S GO
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
TULO!
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by Soulbrother16 on Dec 18, 2010 12:55 AM PST up reply actions
If Aldous Snow wrote a song about it, how bad can it be?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 18, 2010 6:35 AM PST up reply actions
Will you stay for my bangers, my beans and mash.
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by Soulbrother16 on Dec 18, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
I’m all for people being able to say what they believe. But if you’re SB Nation/Grant, you want people to feel comfortable at your blog because you want them to stay around.
Sure, sometimes you feel like people should be able to handle certain things being said, but no one wants to read heated subthreads about people arguing over political/ethical issues.
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by Soulbrother16 on Dec 18, 2010 12:54 AM PST up reply actions
I like how talking honestly about Renel requires you to be an intentionally offensive asshole.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 18, 2010 9:15 AM PST up reply actions
There’s a difference between being able to say something, and being immune to ridicule. First amendment cuts both ways.
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The first amendment only covers what the government can censor, not everyone in any conversation.
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- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
Are you really saying a World Series title doesn't matter to Latinos?
Do you want to take a little time and maybe write something clarifying that point of view?
by mrs. owlcroft on Dec 17, 2010 6:56 PM PST up reply actions
It’s hard to make much sense of that rambling paragraph but I think he may have meant that Uribe and Renteria don’t have ties to the Bay Area like Pat Burrell does.
WWRWD?
But race has nothing to do with it and by using such a unspecific category “Latinos” he’s grouping them all in that category. Pablo is Latino does that mean the Giants and SF mean nothing to him because he’s not from SF? No. Uribe does have ties to the Giants because of Jose and he has mentioned before that he wanted to play for the Giants because Jose played for them. I think he liked that the Dodgers I guess courted him and I don’t know the true contract negotiations but I assume he probably wanted the Giants to make an upfront offer and from the sounds of it, it was pretty much an eleventh hour kind of offer. I just don’t appreciate the generalization.
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t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
My only guess is that he believes because they’re not from the US, they don’t feel allegiances to certain teams.
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by Soulbrother16 on Dec 18, 2010 12:57 AM PST up reply actions
Wow
As a Hispanic person this really offends me.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
As a Giants fan this offends me
I don’t even have to explain why.
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"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
That analogy doesn’t work for me.
Ballplayers live in another world.
I can respect Jackie Robinson and worship Willie Mays — and still utilize the same caution that Obama’s granny did when encountering strangers on the bus.
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Dec 17, 2010 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
You should probably stop because you’re digging that hole pretty deep.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
As a point of correction - I should have more clearly stated Latin American players as opposed to just Latin players.
I know very few would agree with this, SF Pete caught it and helped clarify. I didn’t realize the confusion created until after coming back. Bottom line is that most Latin American players don’t differentiate one US City from the other relative to loyalty. The days of Juan Marichal, the Alous and Cepeda are over. Uribe’s loyalty was to make as much money as he could and as Sabes pointed out, he didn’t want to be a Giant. Renteria was hoping he would cash in on his WS accomplishment and get a Miggy-like contract, after all who did more to bringing a WS title to San Francisco? Where is the loyalty? I wasn’t bashing the Latin American players, just pointing out that we shouldn’t be surprised when loyalty doesn’t erase a gap in a potential contract offer like it could have with Pat the Bat. As Edgar points out, “for a $1mm, I will just stay in Columbia and oversee my business interests here”. That might be the cold hard reality – retirement.
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by Penitentiary Face on Dec 17, 2010 11:44 PM PST up reply actions
It just seemed as though you were setting up this idea where the white player (Burrell) was willing to be a team player and take way less money than he deserved to win, while the non-white player was greedy and only cared about getting enough money.
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"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I mean, I think what people have to realize here is that Burrell is doing something fairly unprecedented, to take that huge of a pay-cut when he was easily worth much more than that last year. Before the contract was signed, people were saying they’d be happy if he signed for 1 year, $5 million or so and even THAT would have been a big pay-cut. The fact that he ultimately signed for only $1 million is insane.
Remember, the league minimum is $400K… $1 million is obviously more than that, but when you factor in agent fees, not a whole lot more.
Just because Burrell was willing to take $1 million to play here doesn’t make Renteria a bad person for not wanting to. He shouldn’t have come public with his feelings about it, just because it is rude and it makes him look pretty delusional, but I don’t think it makes him a bad person if he doesn’t want to accept that deal.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
nego tit ate
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Goddam it
Does anyone have a good explanation for why Firefox’s spell checker doesn’t work in the subject line but works in the comment box?
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This is a strong sentence.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
That probably makes a difference as well. (Does that mean he just fired his agent? How does that work?)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Not different than firing a real estate agent, I suspect, as long as you do it before the contract is negotiated/signed.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 18, 2010 6:37 AM PST up reply actions
With contract negotiations during the hot stove and winter meetings, timing is everything.
Hell, Huff didn’t even have a contract last year until January. From a pure financial position, it could have been in Burrell’s best interest to wait to see where the prominent free agents landed first. With Burrell having a home in Scottsdale and with Towers now the GM with the D’Backs, it is almost certain that Pat could have received a 1 or 2 year deal worth $3mm-$5mm a year. Most experts had him going to San Diego or Arizona. But Pat circumvented the whole free agency circus that he went through in previous years and signed the discount deal with the Giants. You could say he is a “team player”, but I look at the situation differently. Pat appreciated the atmosphere with the Giants, has made alot of money already and was smart enough to realize that he could be playing leftfield on a very bad team in Phoenix if he let money be his primary objective.
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by Penitentiary Face on Dec 18, 2010 12:15 AM PST up reply actions
This
Is what bothered me his scenario that he created with the two of them. Edgar came off bad and maybe he doesn’t have ties to the Giants but the wording really was irritating to me. When you say Latin or even Latin Americans its a generalized statement especially when something is said like “Latinos don’t care if they think they’re better than the other…” comment. There are a lot of Latin American players on the Giants that may not have closer ties because they’re not from the area but th at doesn’t mean they don’t care as much as a guy like Burrell who was from the area. The word choices were poor.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Understood
and was meant as a cultural issue NOT a race issue. Coming from Columbia, Venezuela or the DR, the loyalties categorically do not run as deep as potentially an American player (regardless of race) playing for a team like Burrell for the Giants or any other American player who has a particular affinity or loyalty to an city or an organization. Cliff Lee obviously wanted to play in Philadelphia even when everyone knew that the Yankees would have been willing to pay him more. This is similar to say Colby Lewis pitching for the Hiroshima Carp – I doubt that he would have cared if he would have pitched for Hiroshima or the Yakult Swallows.
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by Penitentiary Face on Dec 18, 2010 9:45 PM PST up reply actions
Please explain to me how it’s disrespectful to offer him one million dollars when not a single other team has made him an offer. Shouldn’t Edgar think that the Giants are the only team at all showing him any respect? Does Edgar think that it’s a good strategy for the Giants to bid against themselves?
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
Edgar said that one other team has made an offer.
It must not be a very good one if he’s trying to get the G’s to up their bid by taking the “negotiations” public.
I think he got plenty of respect from the team over the last two years and was sad that he decided to try to extend his career. Still, it’s holiday time, the sun is shining and we Won The World Series.
by mrs. owlcroft on Dec 17, 2010 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
The sun is shining? We don’t expect to see the sun again until Tuesday at the outside. CURSE YOU NORTHWESTERNERS AND YOUR BANANA BELT WEATHER!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 17, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
You really want to feel bad?
Our temperatures have been warmer than Virginia, Oklahoma, or Florida. We’re pretty smug at this point, but that’s partly due to World Series paraphernalia.
by mrs. owlcroft on Dec 17, 2010 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
I’d cry about the temperature thing, but I’m afraid my tears would freeze. I hate winter.
The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!
Low temperatures in SF in this storm may dip into the low 50s! Actually if one can believe the weather channel site it’s 48 now but will warm up overnight (!) to 53.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 17, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
It hasn’t been that warm here since December 4.
The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!
I always thought Knoxvull was not that cold, and I have obviously always been wrong.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 17, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
Ordinarily, it’s not. The average high temp for December 17 is 49. Today, it was about 38.
The Arctic Oscillation flipped negative, sending the jet stream further south and allowing cold air from Canada and the upper Midwest to plunge into the eastern half of the nation. With the long-range models suggesting no real change to that pattern, it looks as though we’re going to stay below normal at least through the New Year’s weekend.
The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!
Is this La Niña related?
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 17, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
I would ask PiKa, because he’s an actual meteorologist. But the research I’ve read indicates La Nina activity appears to be independent of the state of the Arctic Oscillation.
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UNACCEPTABLE
I want definitive answers and I want them NOW!
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 17, 2010 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
TODAY IS CHASE UTLEY’S BIRTHDAY.
There.
The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!
/settles down
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 17, 2010 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
are the Canadians sending the cold air down as some sort of precursor to invasion? RED ALERT!!! TO BATTLE STATIONS, THE CANADIANS ARE INVADING!!!
Some say that some cannot say because the Stig can make some not say what they want to say and all i want to say is i don't know what the hell i'm trying to say.
If Renteria is disrespected by being offer $1 million, then he must be absolutely livid that Florida doesn’t seem interested in his services at all.
THIS
Where’s the pithy comment towards them. He got a World Series clinching hit for them too. Aren’t they disrespecting him even more.
I hear that Hanley Ramirez kid is pretty okay at baseball. I guess Edgar can play the two dozen games that he’s dogging it.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
he’s good at hitting the baseball. Maybe Hanley and Edgar can work out some sort of work-share program where Hanley is no longer required in the field
Some say that some cannot say because the Stig can make some not say what they want to say and all i want to say is i don't know what the hell i'm trying to say.
I’ll spare you all further ranting on this subject, if you’ve had the misfortune to read the full slew of comments on MLBTR on the subject, but I’ll just make this one point.
The Giants showed Renteria respect by offering him a contract when they really stopped having a spot on the roster for him. Screw Edgar for looking a gift horse in the mouth.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
This.
I USED TO NOT BELIEVE YOU
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by can of corn on Dec 17, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
Off-season power rankings
Surprised to see the Giants at 3
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Dec 17, 2010 11:21 AM PST reply actions
I’m frankly more surprised to see the Reds at 4. The Yankees might have had a lousy offseason, and the Rangers lost Cliff Lee, but I’d peg them both as better than the Reds.
And I even like the Reds.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
This. Except for the last sentence.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Okay, addendum. I prefer the Reds to the Cardinals.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
Perfectly acceptable.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Where is Dan Burkhart going to play ?
The A's at 19 is low.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
Also it’s not East Bay, it’s the East Bay. Get it right, national writers.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
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by Murray, Present on Dec 17, 2010 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
are you surprised
because the Giants never get respect?
or surprised because it’s kind of a ridiculously high ranking. Better than the YANKEES?
Texas is high, too. Braves are low.
I think the writer was probably high.
I would probably rate the NL as:
Phillies Braves (gap) Giants Rockies (gap) Reds Cardinals (everyone else in some random order) Pirates Astros
The ‘stros would be well served to sign Renteria at $3M/year. I don’t really get the AL… but probably something like
BoSox Yankees Rays Rangers.
I won’t pretend to try to comingle clown-ball vs. non-clown-ball (you choice which is which)…
Brian Sabean: Sing His Praises To The Heavens!
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I have trouble taking off my fan-glasses for this one, but I feel like the Giants are still better than the Braves.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
Beating them 3-1 in the playoffs will have that effect.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 17, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
In my mind, I dock teams that have large numbers of walkoffs in a season. They always seem to come back to earth the next season… with the exception of the ’09 Yankees, who still did very well but definitely had some of their flaws exposed in ’10.
I like their lineup, but other than Venters, their pitching doesn’t wow me.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
don't read their Zips projections then
scary.
(of course the high payroll teams aren’t done yet)
Brian Sabean: Sing His Praises To The Heavens!
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I don't think I'm being too ridiculous
In suggesting that we probably would have lost that series if they had Chipper and Martin Prado healthy.
They were two of their best position players, and we didn’t exactly dominate that series.
My Adopted Giant
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
We didn’t dominate, but I don’t think we squeaked by either.
As-is, the Giants did their job in beating the Braves. With a healthy Chipper, Prado, and Wagner, it’s a toss-up.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
I dunno man
We lose the Brooks Conrad game for sure, because Brooks doesn’t play with those two hurt. Hell, Brooks doesn’t play if ONE of them is healthy.
My Adopted Giant
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
And I think we absolutely squeaked by
We won every game by one run.
My Adopted Giant
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
But we also lost an extra-inning game to Rick Ankiel, and we won both games in Atlanta, and never went to a Game 5.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
I don't think you're disproving my assertion
We won close games, but we lost one close one too. I think we lose a couple more close ones if they have two of the best players on the field.
My Adopted Giant
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
And I think that they probably force a game 5 if they had a full roster, and Timmy destroys them at home a second time to close it out.
We can’t know, but my personal opinion is that the presence of Chipper and Prado doesn’t decisively change the outcome of two games.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
I don't think
what happened in a 5 game (or 7 game) series last year is very relevant to which team is better on paper.
Brian Sabean: Sing His Praises To The Heavens!
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And I think which team is better on paper isn’t very relevant to which team is better in reality.
Case in point: 2010 Mariners.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
Predictive value is not relevance. The games are played on the field.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
I did not make my point very well here. What I meant to say is:
Projections are great, but a team is only as good as it actually plays.
The projections are often right, and give us a good idea of how a team will perform. But shit happens.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
but that's what we are doing right?
trying to rank teams for the 2011 season. Before they play. Not trying to rank teams for the 2010 season (“as it actually played”).
5 game series = shit that happened.
Brian Sabean: Sing His Praises To The Heavens!
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but "in your mind"
is not reality either. It’s December. The teams only exist on paper. They ain’t playin’.
That’s what “on paper” means. It means “who do you think would win before it happens?”.
Brian Sabean: Sing His Praises To The Heavens!
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the Braves are really good,
but without a whole lot of depth. They are a stars and scrubs team.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
yeah, there is no gap
so you could easily flip-flop them (like SF/Colorado) Should probably be a gap between ATL and PHL.
Ordinal ranking is a stupid way to compare teams anyway.
Brian Sabean: Sing His Praises To The Heavens!
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The Cardinals are extremely top heavy – Pujols, Holliday, Carpenter, Wainwright – and while they have some nice complementary pieces they are very dependent on their big guns.
The Reds are probably the deeper team overall, but their youth is both an asset and a liability.
I call it a wash, simply because you don’t know what the Reds will give you in 2011. Whoever wins 88 games probably wins the division. (Unhelpful, I know.)
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
I am not sure the ordering is not more like:
Phillies Braves Reds Cardinals Rockies Giants
I am not sure I would say the Giants have a better offense than the Rockies, and the Rockies have 4 starters projected at > 113 ERA+ (Jimenez at 153).
I am not really considering defense here, outside of ERA+. Also, I am guessing projections for Phils/Cards/Giants.
Brian Sabean: Sing His Praises To The Heavens!
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The Rockies are going to hit; it’s more or less a given. I think their season hinges on which Jimenez and which De La Rosa show up for 2011, plus the development of Chacin. There’s a wiiiiiide margin for their pitching projections, depending on how optimistic or pessimistic you are about them.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
Uh...
World Series are priceless.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 17, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
yeah, but i still have horrible memories of watchin RentaWreck slowly field a groundball
then lollygag a throw…
then go 0-4
Trade Sabean...
I’m all excited that the Giants won the WS and all, but it’s not like I’m gonna ignore anything stoopid that goes on because of that.
Edgar is being a baby, even if the Giants are World Series champions.
It’s been bugging me that this is the pithy response to any complaints. I’m fairly sure that by the time ST rolls around, it’s gonna rise to jcb9 levels of rage.
I USED TO NOT BELIEVE YOU
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by can of corn on Dec 17, 2010 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
Totally agree
I’m really happy we won the WS and I’d trade the 18.5M for it in a heartbeat. But that doesn’t automatically absolve Rent of Molina-esque whining.
Grant is absolutely right that we’ve all had petty thoughts at some point in our lives about not getting our dues while some other jackass gets them instead. The reason we generally don’t whine about them out loud and in public is it means we’re opening up the scorecard for everyone to keep track. The minute I start complaining to the entire office than I really worth a $400 bonus is the minute everyone else starts wondering why I’m so god damned entitled. Deal with it, Rent.
Rent thinks he’s worth more than 1M? I disagree. Neifi getting 5M says more about how stupid teams can be about money than it does about how much a team “respects” you. The Giants aren’t required to pay more for somebody because now and then someone gets stupid and goes and inflates the market.
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I'M A GIRL
by Prussian Creole on Dec 17, 2010 2:16 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Is Edgar a typical Giants fine? Probably too busy talking on his cell to even watch the game.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 17, 2010 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
For the lulz
JPosnanski Edgar Renteria over the last nine years made $73.5 million. He can afford to be offended by the Giants million dollar offer.
keithlaw I’m not sure why Edgar Renteria is offended by the Giants’ contract offer. It’ll be a nice supplement to his Social Security checks
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
I love when Keith Law makes old jokes regarding Giants players
The irony of the fact he’s using old, way-past-their-prime jokes to make fun of old, way-past-their-prime players never fails to entertain me.
"This is a street fight, and we win those." -- BRIAN SABEAN, 10/23/10
by Josh from Hollywood on Dec 17, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL, I never really noticed this before, but now that you’ve pointed it out maybe it’ll makes KLAW a little more tolerable. A little.
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by Prussian Creole on Dec 17, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
The Quote
“To play for a million dollars, I’d rather stay with my private business and share more time with my family.”
Unless Rent’s “private business” makes tons of money BECAUSE HE IS PRESENT and not playing a game, this sentence just killed me. It wasn’t enough that he was overpaid for so long in the first place? No, “to play for a million” is an insult.
Sorry Rent. Here is an insult. You’re a rich, out of touch, douche bag.
"A new day will dawn for those who stand long." - Led Zeppelin
by The Wisdom Cow on Dec 17, 2010 11:34 AM PST reply actions
I’m really interested to see how much he ends up getting, not because I want to compare it to what the Giants offered, but because I’m curious to see what monetary value he places on spending time with his family.
fair point, but in my mind, he is already rich. He certainly doesn’t need more for his family, his kids, or their kid’s kids. If he values time with them, the contracts should not matter. The decision should be if he wants to play another year before retiring or not.
"A new day will dawn for those who stand long." - Led Zeppelin
by The Wisdom Cow on Dec 17, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
fair point, but in my mind, he is already rich.He certainly doesn’t need more for his family, his kids, or their kid’s kids.
I agree and often have an internal struggle with this issue. Let’s say that between agents fees, taxes and out of country housing costs, he collected about 55% of the $73.5M. That is still $35M earned over his lifetime.
For me personally, $35M would be an incredible anmount of money. For Edgar apparently not. I’m not going to hate on the guy because he wants some more change but really, at some point, you run out ways to spend money.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Where is Dan Burkhart going to play ?
I often wonder about that latter point. I have no idea about Renteria’s finances, but a lot of athletes manage to burn through a lot of money very quickly. I could see an aging athlete who realizes that he didn’t invest wisely and needs one or two last paychecks to avoid financial problems in the future. And I mean real financial problems such as having too much cash tied up in expensive and difficult to sell houses, etc.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 17, 2010 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
Point taken.
However, I can’t feel sorry for him as I am trying to invest (re-invest ?) wisely enough so that I don’t end up eating cat food when I try to retire around 65 or 70.
Over the period between 2008 and 2009 when this current recession begin to take hold, I lost about 45% of my net worth with investments and housing value. I would love to have a one year million dollar contract to offset that.
I feel pretty comfortable in saying that most of us here struggle with when and how we will retire. The market for our services will determine when we retire, just as it has for Edgar. As I mentioned, I’m not mad at Edgar for trying to get that last penny in what will be likely be his last MLB contract. I don’t feel sorry for him though, no matter how unlucky or unwise he has been with his investments.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Where is Dan Burkhart going to play ?
Oh, I get not feeling sorry for athletes, even if they did burn through their money. There are better places for my sympathies.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 17, 2010 4:58 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly. At this point in his career, it shouldn’t matter how much he gets paid; he and his family are pretty well off. But to essentially say, “I’d rather hang out with my family than play baseball for $1 million” has my curiosity piqued. At what salary will he tell his family to piss off for another year?
Actually,
what you’ll be observing is how he values the i’th unit of wealth vs. the i’th unit of family time. Declining marginal utility.
Plese post the spreadsheet projections for this problem :-)
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Where is Dan Burkhart going to play ?
Well, he didn't say he'd make more money in his business
It might be a case where he’s deciding the effort to play baseball isn’t worth the reward.
Keep in mind, he did take some time to decide if he even wanted to play in 2011. When he decided he was going to come back, it might have been worth the grind if he was assuming he get $3-5M. At $1M, it might haved changed the equation.
The thong is, it happened.
by Goofus on Dec 17, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Private business = male prostitution
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by Murray, Present on Dec 17, 2010 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
Isn’t this guy’s bicep detached from his shoulder? I don’t think anyone in baseball considers him a starting shortstop any more, his injury history is substantial, and the Giants have a roster crunch (especially if BELT), plus he just got done making $18.5 mil for sitting on the DL. I think the offer was fair, especially in light of Burrell taking a similar deal to stay with the team.
Have fun with your family, and thanks for that homerun!
Quietly hoping Brandon Belt develops into John Olerud, circa 1993.
by AndOnTheDrums... on Dec 17, 2010 11:38 AM PST reply actions
I'm not angry with him at all
I can see why $1 million would be insulting. We praised Pat Burrell for taking that money precisely because it was special. Edgar Renteria has no connection to this city; there’s no reason for him to take less money here.
I would have offered $3 or 4 million; he was pretty good last year when he was healthy.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
He was pretty worthless (as all players are) when he was not healthy.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
how many teams are lining up to give him more money?
"A new day will dawn for those who stand long." - Led Zeppelin
by The Wisdom Cow on Dec 17, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
Yep, exactly
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by Prussian Creole on Dec 17, 2010 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
Renteria put up a total of 1.6 fWAR in 777 plate appearances in 2009-10. As a back-up, maybe getting 150 plate appearances, he’s not worth $4 million. Maybe $2 million, but I think even less than that.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 17, 2010 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
I would have offered $3 or 4 million; he was pretty good last year when he was healthy.
The problem was he wasn’t healthy for most of the season last year and at a year older with a lot of injuries and a substantial injury history I can’t expect him to stay healthy this year. It isn’t worth it in my mind and 3-4 Million is an overpay for a backup shortstop considering how durable Tejada has been throughout his career.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
First!
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
How about $1 million and 2 season tickets for the rest of his life, so he can bask in the respect and adulation of all Giants fans?
Hell, I’ll even throw in all the garlic fries he can eat. Okay, all the garlic fries he AND Pablo Sandoval can eat.
San Francisco Giants ***GLORY ACHIEVED 11/01/10***
Okay, all the garlic fries he AND Pablo Sandoval can eat.
It’s not polite to brag about how wealthy you are.
by non sequitur on Dec 17, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
Adios Rent
Enjoy your time in the Colombian Baseball League.
"That's like Swede on Swede violence."-Randy Hahn
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
2010 World Series Champions San Francisco Giants
This is awesome
Because I just went and saw the Black Crowes at the Fillmore on Wednesday night.
""I’d like to be a crossword clue one day. I want to be in The New York Times’s Sunday edition. Right now, the clue ‘Giants great’ is always Mel Ott. I want my clue to be down, not across. The down ones are usually harder. And when I’m the clue, I’ll fill it in — just that one — and frame it. " - Brian Wilson.
Cain's Dancing!
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 17, 2010 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
YES I SAW THAT TOO
""I’d like to be a crossword clue one day. I want to be in The New York Times’s Sunday edition. Right now, the clue ‘Giants great’ is always Mel Ott. I want my clue to be down, not across. The down ones are usually harder. And when I’m the clue, I’ll fill it in — just that one — and frame it. " - Brian Wilson.
No FOTOS allowed!!
;-) ;-)
Great gig, can’t wait for the FINAL THREE this weekend….
I’m off to my party…..Happy Happy Joy Joy
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 17, 2010 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
Say a word for... Edgar Renteria
Ain’t got nuthin’ (more than a million dollars) at all…
""I’d like to be a crossword clue one day. I want to be in The New York Times’s Sunday edition. Right now, the clue ‘Giants great’ is always Mel Ott. I want my clue to be down, not across. The down ones are usually harder. And when I’m the clue, I’ll fill it in — just that one — and frame it. " - Brian Wilson.
well played Mauer
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 18, 2010 4:51 PM PST up reply actions
Backup shortstop
Now that Rent is off the table, who will it be? I think I heard that Tiger with the funny name get mentioned somewhere.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Tiger Woods? That is kind of a funny name I guess, but what’s his range like?
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 17, 2010 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
I’m kinda hoping its just Fontenot now. I doubt Orlando Cabrera takes 1 mil, and I don’t think I’d rather give a roster spot to any of the other FA shortstops over Nate and/or Ishikawa.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
Yea, Hudson signed with the Padres.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
Fontenot can pretend to be a SS like 12 times in a season. He would probably be the best option as a backup considering they already tendered him a contract and the roster is pretty much set.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Random Funny Picture of Renteria to Lighten the mood
Thats Rey Ordonez to the left of Renteria but whos that guy to the right that looks like Kal Penn from Harald and Kumar fame?
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 17, 2010 11:48 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Rey Ordonez is on Edgar’s right. The guy on Edgar’s left is one of the Alex Gonzalezes.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Which one? I don’t know.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Dec 17, 2010 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
the Cubs one
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I think it’s the “Cubs playoffs error” one
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Which is another reason the whole Bartman thing is so tragic. Baker leaves Prior out there for 130+ pitches, but Bartman, and to a lesser extent Prior and Gonzalez, gets the blame for the loss.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Let me tell you from a Cubs fan’s perspective – you are absolutely 100% spot-on. I watched every Mark Prior start in 2002/2003, and the one thing about Mark Prior that was well-known to everyone BUT Dusty Baker was his tendency to fade in the 8th inning; this was a regular occurrence down the stretch. As I watched THE game, I said, “Short leash” to Dusty on my imaginary psychic connection to him as the 8th inning began. I realize Prior had thrown a hitless 7th, but the game was still only 3-0 and he was close to 100 pitches when the 8th began. Once the trouble started, Baker should have, at a minimum, gone out to check on Prior, who was pitching in his first postseason after his first full season. Instead, he twiddled his toothpick and allowed the Marlins, aided by the Gonzalez miscue at short, to barbeque the young starter. I can forgive, but I’ll never forget!
Eliminate that pesky Dominatrix in one easy step. Step 1: Tell her you're a Cubs fan!
One thing to remember about that...
The previous season, Dusty had a chance to win it all and took Russ Ortiz out of a possible clinching game as he reached 100 pitches despite that fact he had a shutout (and 5-0 lead) going. That’s all I could think about as he left Prior in there: “Dusty will be damned he makes the same mistake this year”. Instead, he made the opposite one.
"This is a street fight, and we win those." -- BRIAN SABEAN, 10/23/10
by Josh from Hollywood on Dec 17, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
I have always absolved Dusty of Game 6
Ortiz had a tendency to get himself into trouble and he was in trouble.
He’d given the Giants 6 quality innings but was imploding now. The Giants had a dependable bullpen.
It was time to yank Ortiz. The bullpen just didn’t get the job done; that’s all.
I agree that he left Prior in for too long the following year. That was USUALLY Dusty’s big fault — always trying to squeeze one more out from a tired starter.
I was pleasantly surprised when he chose to relieve Ortiz at — what I thought at the time was — just the right time. I was thinking “there he goes again” when he stuck with Prior.
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Dec 17, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
"Everybody wearing chains?"
“Good, then let’s get those shirts off and get some homoerotic shots!”
The thong is, it happened.
’twas a simpler time then, Goofus…
/reflects
//looks for chain
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 17, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
MCC photoshoot!
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 17, 2010 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
As has homoeroticism.
"This is a street fight, and we win those." -- BRIAN SABEAN, 10/23/10
by Josh from Hollywood on Dec 17, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
"waah!
I don’t know Officer. They all just ganged up on me. They had no shirts, but had gold chains. They all looked “Mexican” and smelled like Cool Water."
"Sharp grounder hit to Uribe to Thompson, for one, to Clark- DOUBLE PLAY!"
by FanFavoriteNo36 on Dec 18, 2010 5:57 PM PST up reply actions
Here’s a more surrealistic one where they’re more up close and look like they want to ravage you. I kinda feel uncomfortable looking at it.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 17, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
Dammit, subject line.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Or at least resize the picture before you post it.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 17, 2010 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
No, not or “at least.” Just “subject line.” I don’t wanna see that.
The San Francisco Giants: 2010 World Series Champions
I'M A GIRL
by Prussian Creole on Dec 17, 2010 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
That is a truly strange picture. It’s like someone made a shortstop based boy band.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 17, 2010 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
Put on a bra, ARod
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
on a side note.
one more final and i’m back to hawaiiiiiiiii. fuck this 20 degree weather.
hmm, interesting hobby. How do you avoid frost bite?
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Dec 17, 2010 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
Condoms. Duh.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 17, 2010 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
Heated condoms. They cost a little bit more, but . . .
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 17, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
Crayons are delicious
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 17, 2010 12:07 PM PST reply actions
Do you peel the paper off first?
I USED TO NOT BELIEVE YOU
I tweet (more often than I blarg).
by can of corn on Dec 17, 2010 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
Of course!
I am not a savage.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 17, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
<3
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I tweet (more often than I blarg).
by can of corn on Dec 17, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
The difference is that...
$1M is excessive money EVERYWHERE in the world.
The fact that $200 is excessive in third world countries should hardly make anyone feel guilty in todays U.S.
He still has no reason to complain, and has only a small reason to feel disrespected by the Giants. A small but really truly insignificant reason that he should really just get over, or at least not let his World Series image get tainted over it.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Dec 17, 2010 12:09 PM PST reply actions
Hey Edgar - STFU
let’s just withdraw the offer and move on – love his contributions in the playoffs but he was not good overall last year or the year before, and this interview shows he’s clearly out of touch.
Latrell Sprewell anyone? “I’ve got to feed my family!”
Couple thoughts
I like the part where he says he’s made enough that he doesn’t need to play. Considering the Giants seriously overpaid him the last two years, they’re a big reason he doesn’t need the money. It’s like, ironic or something.
Secondly, yes he was a huge hero in the WS but he hit only .063 in the NLCS. Also, the game winning HR came in game 5 not game 7 when it was do or die. I have a strange feeling the Giants would have won the WS without him. Not that I won’t be forever greatful to him for hitting that HR.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
by urnext on Dec 17, 2010 12:22 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Disrespectful Offers
Are what Sean Connery gave Alex Trebek’s mother.
I understand the motivation behind the comments but it doesn’t excuse the behavior. I he feels that way, fine. But he’s an idiot for suing it to the press. That’s his bad and he will get deservedly ridiculed for it.
Think of Mat Latos’s comments about the Giants bringing in players. I can understand his frustration but him ssaying that to a reporter was a jackass move.
by hammystyle on Dec 17, 2010 12:36 PM PST via mobile reply actions
All I have to say about this.
/facepalm
meh
I'm still in the old thread.
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Dec 17, 2010 12:39 PM PST reply actions
I wonder why he let himself get quoted?
Strikes me as a good way to learn Renteria may not be manager material after all.
There are way too many negative 'fuck off' type comments
Remember, the San Francisco Giants are still the 2010 World Series Champions. Lighten up!
I'm just going to quote myself from above:
I’m all excited that the Giants won the WS and all, but it’s not like I’m gonna ignore anything stoopid that goes on because of that.
. . .
It’s been bugging me that this is the pithy response to any complaints. I’m fairly sure that by the time ST rolls around, it’s gonna rise to jcb9 levels of rage.
Seriously. It bugs. It bugs bad.
And also, “Lighten up!” is kerosene on a cranky fire.
I USED TO NOT BELIEVE YOU
I tweet (more often than I blarg).
Seriously, what he said was not smart but the overreaction to it is astounding.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 17, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t see a lot of overreaction. There’s been no talk of burning him in effigy, just a lot of, “Wow, what a d-bag.”
Meh.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
I dunno… something like this maybe?
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 17, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
Apart from an irresponsible use of Shift+1, that’s pretty underwhelming outrage! There’s not even any cussing!
He was worth 1.6 WAR to the Giants over two seasons. That’s over $10 million per win. Saying he “stole” it might be hyperbole, but it’s not that far off.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
Eh, it’s what I found in ten seconds of trying…
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 17, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
FUCK OFF NATAKU
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Hmmm, I don’t remember which of the twelve days of Christmas that’s from.
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"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 17, 2010 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
No Fuck off
Not you nataku, Renteria. I like him to go down where Aubrey Huff was serving meals TO THE POOR AND HOMELESS and say it there.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
The difference between Renteria and Molina is...
that Renteria said this once, probably just on an impulse. Meanwhile, Molina continually blogs his whiny-ness.
Well and … has anybody actually seen the quote? This was via ESPN Deportes wasn’t it? So the original statement was in Spanish. Maybe something got lost in the translation.
You know it did just like Deportes first said "he was considering the offer" - What the fuck?
You mean he HAD the offer in hand, was considering it, then realized it had 1 less zero in the end than he realized? Or did it take him that long to convert the dollar to a Venezualen Peseta? Fuck you Deportes! I’m ordering my Giants World Series edition of Spanish Rosetta Stone and will do my own translation going forward.
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by Penitentiary Face on Dec 17, 2010 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
So...does removing drives without unmounting really do anything to the computer?
or is more from the school of “turn off your computer and leave it off for 20 second and restart”
Depending on what your computer was doing at the time it can, or could, corrupt the files on the drive.
Yeah you’d think that wouldn’t you? I took a week long seminar a few years back on technology in the classroom… the old lady next to me kept wondering where her files were disappearing to. Three mornings in a row she had to start her project over…. she kept pulling the zip drive out [okay so this was like 10 years ago] before it was done copying over her files.
That is a terrible assumption. People are capable of amazing things.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 17, 2010 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
Your computer can be doing things with your removable drive, even if you aren’t. Indexing, defragging, virus/spyware scans, automated backups, and other background processes can be running without you knowing it. Yanking out the removable drive without telling your computer first can indeed screw stuff up, man.
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The problem is that sometimes the drive is working/loading something when you don’t realize it.
"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat
I just make sure nobody is looking when I yank out my USB thingee
Works for me and no one thinks I’m stupid, except my wife for other reasons.
You’re assuming far too much. It also doesn’t do anything to the computer, (that I know of) it’s more about the files on the drive.
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by Soulbrother16 on Dec 17, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
But I don't keep files on mine, just pictures.
by Leftyretro on Dec 17, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
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Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
This is an appropriate response.
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Magic pictures?
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by Soulbrother16 on Dec 17, 2010 5:38 PM PST up reply actions
Ha! There was a kind of macho thing at the Pixel Corps where if you unmounted your drive before pulling the cable you were considered sort of a pussy.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 17, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I had absolutely no idea what this meant but I assumed from context that it was/is a bad thing to do.
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by Prussian Creole on Dec 17, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
Big pile of meh over here
Oh well, he’s offended. Enjoy the 18 mil and thanks for the big home run
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Japanese SS FTW
The Twins officially agreed to terms with Tsuyoshi Nishioka on a three-year, $9MM deal, the team announced today. The deal, which came together soon after the infielder arrived in Minneapolis, includes a club option for a fourth year.
Last year, Nishioka batted .346 with 22 steals and 206 hits. ESPN.com’s Keith Law and Patrick Newman of FanGraphs recently explained the switch-hitter’s game in detail. The Twins have traded J.J. Hardy and Orlando Hudson is a free agent, so Nishioka and Alexi Casilla figure to be the team’s everyday infielders in 2011.
The Twins won the right to negotiate with Nishioka on November 26th when the Chiba Lotte Marines accepted Minnesota’s bid. The sides had 30 days to reach an agreement. The Giants, Dodgers, and Cardinals reportedly had some interest in Nishioka and the Red Sox submitted a bid in the mid-$2MM range, according to Rob Bradford of WEEI.com.
Good that the Twins got a pretty good deal 3/$9 million…bad in that they overbid for him by 2X
Wasn’t the bid for him in the $5-6MM range? If you factor that into the contract, they’re still only paying him roughly 5/15…
Given Uribe’s contract, that’s really not that bad a deal.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
Right but…Uribe has proven that he can play 3B/SS and can hit for power…while Nish is a 2B maybe SS with some recent success in Japan…we’ll see what happens
Uribe was signed to play second base for the Dodgers. Nishioka is questionable at SS but should be able to handle 2B. Nishioka hit over .300 in Japan last year. His production stateside will probably drop, but I think that .280 would be a reasonable bar to set for him. Uribe hit for power last year, but he also hit .250.
Really, the only reason I can see to be negative about this deal is if you think that Orlando Hudson or JJ Hardy were better long term options, depending on how you project Nishioka’s defensive value.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
It could be time for Renteria to gracefully retire
But I don’t mind him feeling his services are worth a certain amount, and being displeased at a clear lowball offer.
What was it that Martial said? Fortune gives abundantly to some people, but never gives enough to anybody.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Renteria needs to get over himself....
Honestly…I feel the Giants’ offer was out of respect…they probably would have not offered him anything had he won the WS MVP…It was basically…come with us for a victory lap and here’s a million on top of it…
Yeah, I think Renteria wants to be valued as a player, not a museum piece. You don’t see how that’s insulting?
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
It’s insulting if you are a mlb-level player…but at this point he’s not…that’s not just from the Giants…basically every MLB team..FLA is not interested and neither is STL…the Giants are the only ones who even offered him a contract…
So your premise is the Edgar should somehow believe that he’s no longer a good player. Interesting. How many people do you know who would go in for a job interview with the caveat, “Oh, by the way, I’m crappy at this now. You should pay me less.”
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
No, I think that what everyone is saying is that he should admit this to himself, not that he should acknowledge it publicly.
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Dec 17, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
Well
He certainly put together a good run and even he admits to ESPN’s Enrique Rojas that he isn’t the player he used to be.
Also hearing stories from Baggs and others about how embarrassed Edgar was about not being able to play like he used to is a big sign that he even knew he obviously couldn’t play at the same caliber that he was used to. I’m sure he still thinks he’s a good player still but I also believe both of them know he isn’t what he used to be and honestly for him to get upset over a 1M offer is a little annoying to me as I think that is more than enough for a man who has a history of injuries, couldn’t play the full season because of those injuries and is at the end of his career. The fact that the Giants even offered him a contract shows respect to him. I honestly think he’s not in any position to complain about how disrespected he is considering I don’t think there are more offers coming in.
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t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 17, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
Thank you Red Sox and Nationals!
There is progress" in the extension talks between Carlos Gonzalez and the Rockies, the Venezuelan outfielder told Wilmer Reina at La Verdad. Gonzalez said he is leaving all negotations up to his agent Scott Boras, but he seemed to be thinking like a free agent when he said, “I met with [Boras] in Florida and we talked about many things, especially the market value players have obtained after the contracts of [Jayson] Werth and [Carl] Crawford.”
Keep in mind that those mile-high-dollars aren't worth as much as sea level dollars..
unless you keep them in a humidor for like compounding decades.
I kinda wanted him back
So when he comes in to pinch hit in the 8th inning, everybody would be like “Man, he’s having a shitty year.”
And I’d be like “Yeah, but dude, remember the dinger. Remember the dinger.”
And everybody’d be all “Sh’yeah”
And I’d be like “Yeah”
But, whatever.
I can't fight this feeling anymore!
I usually let this stuff go, but his comments just annoyed me. I can’t wait until Sabean publicly withdraws the offer and talks about how we compensated him “more than fairly” in the past. Good luck leveraging your offer, Edgar, with the “other team” when there isn’t a competitor for your services. I would find it hilarious if the other team lowered their offer after Sabean goes off.
What players just don’t get is that teams pay (or should pay) for future production, not past.
Edgar would be a backup SS on the Giants, with a tremendous injury propensity, who offers little to no value as a defensive replacement. How much frickin’ money does he think they should be offering?
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First Molina now Renteria
If this keeps up there is going to be a real shortage of ex Good Giants to go around.
Also, with this title...
I was expecting Hermione to uncork some whacky spell to save the day while Harry and Ron fumbled about, accomplishing nothing.
I think you have been reading too much slashfic
while Harry and Ron fumbled about, accomplishing nothing
He didn’t die for seven books in a row. That was it, pretty much.
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He also Caps-Lock’d his way through all of book five.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
by Solidarity on Dec 17, 2010 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh come on.
He didn’t do everything single-handedly, no, but he accomplished a lot.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Yeah! He like, passed out and made his wand protect him on Hagrid’s bike. He uhh… held out his wand that one time and it countered Voldemort’s! Oh, oh, oh, he also pulled that sword out of the hat that happened to fall in his lap, and used it to kill the basilisk.
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by Soulbrother16 on Dec 17, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
Sorcerer’s Stone – Managed to not die, put a rock in his pocket.
Chamber of Secrets – Stabbed a book with a stick.
Prisoner of Azkaban – Conjured patronus, impersonated dead father.
Goblet of Fire – Managed to not die, helped by dead parents & cool wand.
Order of Phoenix – Caps lock, shitty dueler, saved by Dumbledore.
Half-Blood Prince – Cheated in school, maimed Malfoy (ok, that was cool)
Deathly Hallows – Managed not to die (well, sort of), impersonated Christ…and uhh…
I actually think part of the point of the books is that Harry is kind of manipulated by a lot of the people around him for a long time (especially Dumbledore) and that a lot of the decisions he makes/actions he takes aren’t really his own. But then at the end, he’s the one who decides to die and he uses Expelliarmus to defeat Voldemort, even though people were telling him he was a moron for using it at the beginning of the book.
And beyond that, he does still keep Voldemort from getting the Sorceror’s stone (at eleven years old!), he kills the Basilisk and destroys the diary, he saves Sirius, he leads “Dumbledore’s Army” and helps train a lot of his classmates, he destroys the rest of the Horcruxes and, in the end, he does kind of, you know, defeat Voldemort, which I think was kind of a big deal. And, hey, until he dropped out, he maintained pretty decent grades while doing so!
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This is true...
My posts were (mostly) tongue-in-cheek. He was a ballsy lad, that’s for sure and perhaps most importantly he doesn’t get “corrupted” by the evil yet alluring forces around him…no small feat.
But, MAN did she butcher that last book.
I disagree :(
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It read, to me, like the instructions for a role playing game…with a camping trip that not even the Griswolds would have been able to endure.
Maybe it was just because I grew up reading the Boxcar Children, but I never had a problem with the camping part (which doesn’t even last all that long).
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I didn’t dislike the book, but the camping part felt like forever, and I read the book in a few days.
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by Soulbrother16 on Dec 17, 2010 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
I read the book in one day and I do agree that it felt like forever. But if you go back and look at it, it’s really only like 4 chapters where they’re just camping.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
When you first read it, the camping part goes on forever. I think part of it is that you want to find out what happens next.
The movie handles it a bit better, but I expect people who didn’t read the books to be bored at those scenes.
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by Murray, Present on Dec 17, 2010 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
It read, to me, like the instructions for a role playing game…
You say that like it’s a bad thing!
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by natteringnabob on Dec 17, 2010 5:17 PM PST up reply actions
I know there are a lot of people who think so, but I really loved it. And have loved it every time I’ve reread it.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I liked it when I read it.
Placeholder.
by howtheyscored on Dec 18, 2010 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
It wasnt as good as 6, my favorite
But I didnt think it was terrible. The epilogue on the other hand….
"I dont always hit home runs, but when I do, I prefer World Series winning home runs"
What I want to know is why everyone gives such shitty names.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
This
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Albus Severus Potter, you were named for two headmasters of Hogwarts. One of them was a Slytherin, and he was the bravest man I knew.
/sniffle
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by Murray, Present on Dec 17, 2010 6:13 PM PST up reply actions
I think Victoire Weasley is the only child in the epilogue who isn’t named after a dead person.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Scorpius Malfoy?
Yeah, now that you mention it, those wizards really like naming their kids after their dead parents.
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by Murray, Present on Dec 17, 2010 8:27 PM PST up reply actions
lots of people are named after relatives
eventually, those relatives are dead.
If you are going to poke holes in HP how about “WHY DON’T THE DAMN RULES TO QUIDDICH MAKE ANY FUCKING SENSE????”
It’s obvious that JKR hates sports and finds them baffling. For example, can you use subs or what?
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Ron and Hermione's kids
are not named after anyone dead in the books.
Rose and Hugo.
I guess they could be Hermione’s parents, but she should have fetched them from Australia by then.
by 24 Willie Mays Plaza on Dec 19, 2010 12:15 AM PST up reply actions
The epilogue is pretty awful, but it’s not that difficult for me to just stop reading at the end of the last chapter.
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"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
The story just doesn’t make sense. IIRC, Harry defeats Voldemort only because he is the master of Elder Wand. He’s the master of the Elder Wand because …well…he just happened to tackle Malfoy at some point. In other words, pure luck. No one, even Dumbledore, had any reason in the world to expect that to happen.
She let one of the greatest villains of all times get killed by a random act of chance. Might as well let him get hit by a lightning.
Great world events sometimes hinge on random chance though. You know with the Serbian guy and his sandwich leading to WW1 and so forth…
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 17, 2010 5:03 PM PST up reply actions
Hey, what’s this big flight of planes on my radar headed for Hawaii?
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by natteringnabob on Dec 17, 2010 5:18 PM PST up reply actions
It’s luck that the reader decided it was a flight of planes that was supposed to be headed there. I mean, they just would have scrambled a bunch of Brewster Buffaloes and other junk, but still.
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"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 17, 2010 5:22 PM PST up reply actions
Not luck…it was a result of surprise and lack of preparedness…kinda of like what happened on 9/11…no one expected the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor just as no one expected people to hijack planes to use as missiles…
That’s a controversial subject – people knew. Who knew and how much they knew is another matter.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 17, 2010 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
It occurs to me that this could apply to both incidents, but I’m talking specifically about Pearl Harbor.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 17, 2010 5:26 PM PST up reply actions
There were some indications that the Japanese were becoming more belligerent but the expected target(s) were Manila or Hong Kong…no one expected Pearl Harbor…
The Americans did not believe the Japanese had enough planes or technology to undertake such an attack.
from wikipedia
Allegations have been made by historians such as Charles Beard and Charles T. Tansill and former armed forces personnel[who?] that some members of the Roosevelt administration, including Roosevelt himself, had advance knowledge of the attack, but purposefully ignored it in order to gain public and Congressional support for America entering the war on the side of the Allies, or that they deliberately exposed Pearl Harbor to attack in order to force American entry into the war
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 17, 2010 5:32 PM PST up reply actions
More from wikipedia
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 17, 2010 5:32 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t consider that controversy…I consider that as conspiracy theories…like the 2nd shooter, people not going to the moon, 9/11 being an inside job, Obama is an alien from Mars…so on…
It’s the galactic capital of fake birth certificates, kind of like the DR but with less atmosphere.
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"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
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by natteringnabob on Dec 17, 2010 5:36 PM PST up reply actions
Well, I guess if you consider it not to be controversial that’s it then.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 17, 2010 5:49 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, and there’s the conspiracy theory about the carriers not being at PH at the time.
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by natteringnabob on Dec 17, 2010 5:33 PM PST up reply actions
probalby not true
although it would not be insane to suggest that the Roosevelt administration had a pretty good idea that Japan might attack the US somewhere…. They did embargo all their oil; which is practically a Declaration of War (not that those Jap bastards\* didn’t deserve it)
This would rank like 109th on “list of horrible things done by the Western Allies in WWII”. (and 10,009th if you include Axis Powers and USSR)
\*racist joke chasm
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In Evan Thomas’s book on the Battle of Leyte Gulf, “Sea of Thunder”, he writes that Japan’s Navy had been considering ways to attack the U.S. for many years, probably since Japan began its invasions of Korea and China. Which of course is only prudent. If Japan wished, as it did, to be a great power, modeling itself on Britain and Prussia as it did, then control over Asia and the Pacific trade routes would be the key to its power, and the U.S. Navy its main obstacle.
I’ve never given much credence to the “Roosevelt knew” theory. Aside from smacking of the “America [AND BY THAT I MEAN THE FREEMASONS/KNIGHTS TEMPLAR] is behind every event in the world since 1776” supertype of conspiracy theory, it doesn’t make geopolitical sense at the time. Roosevelt wanted to get into the European war. Japan wouldn’t get him into the European war. Once it DID happen, he was more than happy to focus on Germany first, thanks to Germany not just being a treaty ally of Japan but also Hitler declaring war (did the Germans know???), but that indicates Roosevelt’s opportunism, one of his great /awful traits.
In 1941 the Navy was still riven with doubt about carriers vs battleships and it would take foresight I don’t think many people were capable of to risk on naval airpower so much that they were willing to have all the battleships sunk. It would, and was, a crippling blow to national security—meaning imminent invasion of the West Coast, not counting all the territories and protectorates around the Pacific (which were, indeed invaded.)
The deep assumption of both 9/11 and Pearl Harbor conspiracy theories is that the US is powerful enough to invite attack with a cold calculus of winning just to provide an excuse. It stems from a conviction that the US (government) is so powerful it can do whatever the hell it pleases, which is the comforting belief to those who (want to) feel oppressed. I can’t change these people’s minds, but I don’t give that much credit to the power and foresight of the American federal government. Unless you’re talking about the Freemasons. Or “international Jewry”. Which eventually all these theories lead to.*
*There was a guy in the cafe last week talking at length to some strangers about 9/11 and the financial scandal, and also how all the Abrahamic religions were based on little-known Egyptian cults, and I was all, eh, well, par for the course, this is SF, who knows? Then he adds, “You know the name on the banks? Rothschild!” and I was all whoops, the line, you tapped across it.
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by shanghaijim on Dec 18, 2010 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
Ugh, sometimes I really want an edit comment feature.
A FREE one.
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by shanghaijim on Dec 18, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
you know where the bullshit alarm goes off with
“Roosevelt knew”.
How hard is it to manufacture an excuse to go to war with Europe? Nations have been doing that since tribal days. Heck, the Germans manufactured a Polish attack to “justify” invasion…
Just pull a “Remember the Maine” or sink an empty ship and claim it was a U-boat.
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FDR perpetrated the most widespread war crime on US soil in the past 150 years
I don’t put anything past him.
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The internment?
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Weren’t the Indian wars still going on 150 years ago?
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Well, okay. No one can change anyone else’s mind once those minds are set. You can’t change mine and I won’t try to change yours.
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FWIW
I don’t think Roosevelt knew anything.
I just think he’s a bastard.
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FWIW
I was just scared you’d do that point-by-point total destruction thing you’ve been known to do.
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Exactly. The damage from Pearl Harbor and the rest of the December 7/8 attacks, coordinated across the entire Pacific, and the ensuing months of defeat and retrenchment, are far too large and grave to have been planned, and not in the best interests of any would-be conspirators in the U.S. It would have been a lot easier and even “acceptable” in the realpolitik of the age to make something up regarding Germany.
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The deep assumption of both 9/11 and Pearl Harbor conspiracy theories is that the US is powerful enough to invite attack with a cold calculus of winning just to provide an excuse. It stems from a conviction that the US (government) is so powerful it can do whatever the hell it pleases
I doubt most people who believe that think that the US government is so powerful it can do whatever the hell it pleases; they simply think that the US government thinks that. Not nearly as ridiculous.
maybe it's a biased sample
but 100% of the people I know who believe this use the power of the US government as a premise.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
Or . . .
Ron Washington deciding to pitch to Renteria instead of getting Rowand on a slider in the dirt.
by NiceGuysFinishEtc on Dec 18, 2010 8:28 AM PST up reply actions
But that doesn’t make it good writing. There’s a limit to how much deus ex machina the reader can take in one book before it starts looking silly.
But it highlights Voldemort’s greatest downfall – his arrogance. He’s always been so arrogant and felt like he was so above everyone else that he made fatal mistakes (like when he originally tried to kill Harry and when he used Harry’s blood to bring himself back to life, which is what kept Harry alive after the horcrux was destroyed). That was another one of them.
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It’s not arrogance, it’s blind luck. Maybe he should have figured out that he’s not the master of the wand, but there was absolutely no reason to expect Harry to be the master. And if neither one is the master, Harry is dead.
Dumbledore’s plan was useless, basically – according to his plan, the wand dies with him…which would help no one. Voldemort is the strongest wizard alive, with or without the wand, and Harry has no way to beat him. He doesn’t even have a plan, or a vague idea how to do it. The only reason Harry could defeat him is because he happened to be the master of the Elder Wand, which wasn’t in Dumbledore’s plan, and wasn’t predictable in any way. Seriously, Vodemort getting hit by lightning would have made more sense.
The extent of Dumbledore’s plan was to destroy the horcruxes and have everyone figure it out from there. It wasn’t a great plan, no, but it was kind of a difficult situation.
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I guess I don’t get what your point is – are you angry because the eventual solution wasn’t planned out and explained by Dumbledore before he died? Dumbledore admits in the chapter where Harry is dead that he made a lot of mistakes and that a lot of his plan hinged on hunches and guesses (for example, that Voldemort using Harry’s blood to bring himself back to life would save Harry’s life when Voldemort killed him).
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I'm not an angry at anything
I’m saying the part about Harry being the master of the Elder Wand (which is one of the most important parts of the entire series, as the world would be doomed without it) was blind luck. It didn’t have anything to do with Voldemort being arrogant, or with Harry being brave, or with Dumbledore being smart – it was pure deus ex machina, and not a very good one at that. I didn’t find it believable when I read it, and I think it would only look worse if I re-read the book.
Rowlings’ overreliance on coincidences is one of the reasons the 7th book isn’t very good. I know I’m not the only who thinks that, as it was a fairly common criticism of the book. Obviously you disagree, which is cool, but I think my points stand.
That’s cool.
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Mm, she was trying for a Tolkien eucatastrophe but couldn’t pull it off as well.
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by shanghaijim on Dec 18, 2010 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
I was under the impression that Dumbledore was putting his trust in the prophecy. If I remember, the prophecy only really said something like “one of them will kill the other” – but the suggestion is pretty clear. There’s no reason to have a prophecy to tell that Voldemort is going to kill a student. The only way the prophecy is relevant at all is if Harry kills Voldemort.
So I don’t think Dumbledore had any idea how it was going to happen. For all we know, he was counting on blind luck. He just had faith that since the prophecy existed at all, it meant that somehow, someway, Harry would do it.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 18, 2010 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
Plus I don’t think it’s quite a deus ex machina. Yes, it’s lucky that Harry got the chance to disarm Draco at Malfoy Manor, but Voldemort never even considered that it could have been Draco who was the master of the Wand and not Snape, in part because the decision to kill Snape was a very impulsive one that he didn’t really think through and in part because he’s so obsessed with power that he doesn’t think that it could be the weak 17 year old failure and not the more powerful adult wizard. Everything he does with wands in that book is very impulsive and not well thought through and in the end, it’s his downfall.
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And I mean it’s not quite deus ex machina because the wand stuff goes all the way back to the fourth book and the specific thing is set up in the sixth book, it doesn’t just come out of nowhere in DH.
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Is there really any reason to do anything, then? If the prophecy is going to happen, it’s going to happen.
But, anyway, the prophecy is much more elaborate than that:
“The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches … born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies … and the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have power the Dark Lord knows not … and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives … the one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as the seventh month dies …”
I don’t think this makes it clear at all that Harry will kill Voldemort.
I think I spoke too strongly there. I didn’t mean to make it sound like Dumbledore knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that everything was going to work out, but I do think he was counting on the fact of the prophecy as a sign that there was better than a fighting chance. The prophecy claims no specific outcome, but why exist at all to describe a person who has virtually no shot? If the only point is that it’s possible to defeat the Dark Lord, then it might as well just say “Voldemort is not invincible, durrr.” I don’t think the phrasing of the prophecy makes it clear that Harry has a fair shot at this thing, but I do think the existence of the prophesy at all suggests it pretty clearly.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 18, 2010 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
And was Dumbledore’s plan really that the wand dies with him? I might be forgetting some explanation of his plan, but it kind of seemed like he intentionally let Draco disarm him.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 18, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
(This is especially true in the movie, where he’s basically like “WHOOPS YOU DISARMED ME LOL” but I remember thinking the same thing in the book.)
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by howtheyscored on Dec 18, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
In the book he does the arc wand thing and freezes Harry, but the point is pretty much the same
Seemed like he intended to be disarmed
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Dumbledore had originally planned for it to die with him, because Snape was supposed to kill him but since Dumbles was okay with it and was allowing it to happen, it wasn’t really a “defeat”. But when Draco disarmed him it screwed that part of his plan up.
It ended up working out in the end, of course.
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Okay. Maybe I should re-read it because there are obviously some details that I don’t remember very well.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 18, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
It just seems so strange that a completely frightened and unstable Draco could so easily expelliarmus the greatest living non-evil wizard in the world… however much Dumbledore was hurting from Voldemort’s pain-juice. He really can’t disable one of the weakest spells in the book being thrown a low-level wizard with a serious conviction crisis?
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by howtheyscored on Dec 18, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
I think he was both extremely weakened and taken by surprise. I don’t think he expected Draco to do it at all.
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I should definitely reread at least that scene.
In the movie, it’s definitely played as a “WHOOPS LOL” moment from AD, though. Maybe that’s painting my memory of the book.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 18, 2010 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
Well, this is one of the issues with the later books, especially the 7th – you have all kinds of young, inexperienced, not-that-knowledgeable students fighting well-trained magical-assassins, and somehow not getting their ass kicked.
She never really makes it clear what makes a good wizard good – except for some very specific spells (like disapperation), it seems that dueling in the wizard’s world is mainly just pointing your wand at someone, and memorizing some words (though, really, I don’t understand know why you would need more than one curse). And evading curses requires either learning one counter-curse, or ducking.
In the first books it makes sense, because you know they’re just young students, but by the end they’re real wizards, and they still don’t seem to know anything.
I’ve complained about the students’s apparent lack of knowledge or skill before. They really don’t learn anything whatsoever in class. The only useful spells and skills they learn, they learn on their own, and there aren’t many of those. It’s one of the oversights of the books that really does bother me a lot.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 18, 2010 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
In addition,
When the hell did spell-casting go out the window in favor of wizards simply pointing their wands at each other like six-shooters, firing off sparks and explosions?
Yeah, I know Snape was constantly on about nonverbal spells but, at least in the movies, it appeared that Bellatrix’ nonverbal spell was “BANG!”.
I never really got the hate of the epilogue. It’s cheesy, of course. It’s unrealistic, yes. But it’s completely harmless. Complaints about the epilogue always sounded to me like “HOW DARE SHE WRITE A HAPPY ENDING!” It doesn’t damage the books. It doesn’t, like, reveal suddenly that Harry is Dumbledore and McGonagall’s son from some weird slash tryst. It was just “They got older, stayed together, and had kids.” What’s the fucking harm? Just skip it if it bothers you.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 18, 2010 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
SHE DIDN’T PUT HARRY AND HERMIONE TOGETHER1
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This is the root cause.
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by shanghaijim on Dec 18, 2010 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
Sometimes I think I’m the only one who’s happy that Ron and Hermione, Harry and Ginny – and for that matter, Laurie and Amy ended up together.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
Nah, you definitely aren’t. The people who were mad are just more vocal about it.
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The movies definitely don’t help establish why Hermione would be drawn to Ron, or Harry to Ginny.
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That’s because the screenwriter for the movies ships Harry and Hermione and hates Ron.
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Kloves? Yep, he loves Emma Watson.
I was really happy when he didn’t write the screenplay for OotP.
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Fremont High School graduate, by the way!!!!
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No, really? This I did not know.
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Troy Tulowitzki, Teri Hatcher and Steve Kloves. :\
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Huh. That’s quite a…uh, interesting list of distinguished alumni.
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In the mid-90's,
when Alex went there, Sunnyvale Middle had a glass- enclosed shrine to Teri Hatcher in the lobby next to the trophy case.
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by gallo del cielo on Dec 18, 2010 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
Lynbrook doesn’t have any interesting alumni. :(
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OK, one guy from a band that was popular like ten years ago.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
yeah it’s not a very impressive list:
Chris Cavanaugh, Class of 1980, Olympic Gold Medal Winning Swimmer.
Greg Camp, Class of 1985, guitarist and lead songwriter for the band Smash Mouth.
Vinay Bhat, Grand Master in Chess
Kristie Lu Stout, American journalist and reporter for CNN International
Kurt Kuenne, filmmaker and composer, notably of the documentary Dear Zachary.
WWRWD?
They did establish that Harry is drawn to Ginny because she’ll be there to “tie his shoelaces”.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 18, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe the greatest “it’s not oral sex but it is” scene in movie history.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 18, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
I freaked out when I read the interview about that scene. “We needed to find a way to get Harry and Ginny together…” and I was like, “…and you had HER tie HIS shoelaces? Whaaaaat????”
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Listen, man. His shoelaces were untied. Somebody had to tie them. With those shoelaces untied, it was only a matter of time before he got blue toes. And that’s painful as fuck.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 18, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
It’s not that Laurie ended up with Amy.
It’s that Jo ended up with Professor Bhaer.
I mean come on. He didn’t look like Gabriel Byrne.
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by shanghaijim on Dec 18, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
I loved the last book because I felt like he grew a lot as a character for the first time being on his own without Dumbledore and feeling that resentment and having to go through the whole book without the full truth and having his faith tested. His personal journey was great. I think it was more about that than anything.
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t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
he’s not particularluy effective
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
yeah that would have made for a super interesting book!
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well yeah
but in this case, the structuring of the story FORCED him to be an ineffective hero, at best.
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
I'd say
In the 1st book he completely lucks out of a dangerous situation that he and the other two created in the first place, in the 4th book he completely lucks out of a dangerous situation that was caused by everybody acting like idiots, and in the 5th everything is his fault.
In the 2nd, 3rd, and 7th there are some genuine heroics, though. And in the 6th he doesn’t do much.
Wait..
I saw him score in quibish, does that count. Oh God, just one more movie to sit through with the wife. Then my life will be like good once again.
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OT: English Baseball Fans
I just found out my new houseate is a Cards fan, which is nice considering I know of absolutely noone else in this country who likes baseball.
However, on the downside I had to explain WAR to him.
Overall positive or negative?
You can convert him. Do it over a few cask pints of Wells Bombadier.
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I know, but that one’s probably affordable. Give me a Fuller’s 1845 or a Sam Smith Winter Welcome.
Although, I bet there are tons of great beers that aren’t even available to me in the US. What do you like to drink?
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Fullers 1845 is nice, if rarely available outside of London (I live in Wales, I used to live in London).
I drink a wide variety of stuff, but from my observances in the US you mainly seem to get Fullers, Sam Smiths (weird as we don’t get it in bottle form here) and Badger beers bottled.
Personal favourites:
Blacksheep Riggwelter
Mordue Workie Ticket
Fullers ESB
Mighty Oak Oscar Wilde Mild
Crouch Vale Brewers Gold
Triple fff Moondance
Woodforde’s Wherry
Cool! I’ve only had the Blacksheep and Fuller’s ESB out of that group. I can get Blacksheep at two different stores here in town. Someday I really want to make it over there and try some new stuff.
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WE HAZ BEER
English beer distribution is a lot different to the US, tied into our historical ownership of pubs and breweries. For example, in South Wales, one brewery (Brains) owns 80% of pubs and will only supply their own beer. Thnk of it as 80% of bars in the Bay Area only selling Coors Light. A bunch of the beers I listed above will only be available on cask in certain regions or maybe at a couple of free houses, I am unable to get any of them in Wales.
Is it true that Stella Artois is “wifebeater” beer in the UK? It’s seen as pretty classy on this side of the pond.
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by Murray, Present on Dec 17, 2010 6:08 PM PST up reply actions
Wifebeater beer? I think that remains reserved for Bud, and Coors.
Stella is like… low-brow high-brow, in my opinion. Fancy import, but generic.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
My understanding is that folks in the UK tend to like Budweiser because it manages to be higher in alcohol than most English bitters.
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But it’s a lager and thus not comparable surely?
Although English bitters do tend to be a fair bit lower in strength, 3.8-4.5%ABV.
The folks I am referring to are not connoisseurs, hence the huge importance of ABV.
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it certainly is in Belgium
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
Stats based on hypothetical alternatives aren’t exactly intuitive.
I wouldn’t fault him for that.
Look out. I'm having a thought.
I think it was more general ignorance of anything remotely sabermetric, we ended up discussing PITCHER WINZ.
I know a guy in London that’s into baseball. His name is Dave, perhaps you’ve met him?
But seriously, a Cards fan? Give him the heave-ho.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 17, 2010 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
It’s slightly better than Yanks or Red Sox, which you would expect.
As for the WAR thing, most casual fans would not know what that is.
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by Murray, Present on Dec 17, 2010 6:05 PM PST up reply actions
Sigh
Now I can’t stop thinking about how awesome it would be to have Kosuke Fukudome on our team.
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i would get annoyed at the name jokes so quickly
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DOMO ARI-FUKU
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Formal racism is so dreary.
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Fukudome On My MInd
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 17, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
Not quite as catchy as “Georgia”. We’ll let you know.
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by natteringnabob on Dec 17, 2010 5:20 PM PST up reply actions
He really would be a nice fit
I just don’t get why the Cubs would do it
We'd have to make it worth their while
Rowand is owed ~ 24, and Fuku is owed ~ 12.
I mean, personally I would sent Rowand +18 million to get Kosuke, but it’s not my money.
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good riddance!
…you money-grubbing snake in the grass. thanks for the WS performance, tho!
Without time to play video games...I have been watching walkthrough/cutscene videos on YT
Mild SPOILERS!
Assassin Creed seems like fun and the stories are good until the endings (which are all crap)
Deadspace looks incredible and the story is excellent
Killzone is meh…
Dante’s Inferno is pretty cool
God of War is pretty cool
Haven’t checked out Halo or
Want:
New Goldeneye
New NBA Jam
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
It’s already out. It’s a “reimagining” of the original game with a similar story except with Daniel Craig.
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Close to the original but updated to be more in line with current shooters.
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Games are re-released all the time. They actually put time and effort into this one.
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But yes, they’re definitely capitalizing on the Goldeneye name.
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I guess I was thinking they would actually make a new game altogether…the plot was not all that great for that game/movie….
Did they ever make a game for Die Another Day…that was my favorite recent Bonds movie…Casino Royale was also very good…
I have no idea… I feel like they haven’t paired with the films as of late, and instead have been opting for their own spinoffs, like Nightfire.
I’m not much of a shooter guy, though, so… eh.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
Die Another Day was the worst thing ever. I hated that movie so much in every way. Easily the worst Bond film (and there have been some real bad ones).
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
is that the
“Christmas is coming soon” one?
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
wasn't it
“Christmas only comes once a year” or something like that?
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
That was TWINE, yeah. I hated that they gave the character a stripper name just to make that terrible pun at the end. Pierce Brosnan’s movies were really saddled with terrible writers post-GoldenEye.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
I’m pretty sure that’s The World Is Not Enough.
Die Another Day had Halle Berry and an invisible car.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
the invisible car was the worst ever
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
If only there were an invisible dress. AM I RIGHT GUYS?!!1
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The plot is somewhat different
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GoldenEye_007_(2010_video_game)#Plot
No Boris. :(
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Bah! I wasted so much time in college playing that game with friends. We’d get several cases of beer and some, uh, other things and spend the weekend gambling in Goldeneye. I hope there aren’t too many changes.
by D.Szymborski on Dec 17, 2010 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
AC endings are just devices to get you to buy the next game.
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I’ve been playing Shenmue on my Dreamcast (RYOZOMI 4EVA!!!!!).
I think I’m a little behind on video games.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
I still need to play Segagaga.
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If you think you’re behind, I still haven’t beaten King’s Quest 4. I did beat King’s Quest 3, playing the same game for 22 years (though obviously not rigorously over those 22 years).
by D.Szymborski on Dec 17, 2010 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
I've been playing Fallout New Vegas
It’s pretty good, though I do spend a lot of time walking in circles.
"Campeones." - Andres Torres
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Dec 17, 2010 6:01 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, we won the WS and that’s fantastic. But I am kind of sick of the team’s philosophy of going after broken down veterans. Our offense couldn’t hit itself out of a wet paper bag for 5 months, then got a few timely hits en route to the championship. Not saying we could have or should have gone after Werth or Crawford, but even the A’s are adding nice pieces to the puzzle without spending crazy.
This is beyond torture. This is beyond baseball.
what?
The offense, even with months of Bengie and Rowand, was about average.
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
I think Rent needs a new agent to set him straight.
I hear PTB is available:
"Different things are important to players at different stages of their career, and obviously, as a young player, you want to get established in the big leagues, and the way the market was at that time, I was fortunate enough to be part of some pretty good deals," he said on a conference call Friday. "After that, you realize that (being in a good situation and winning) is the only thing that matters. You can play for 20 years, but if you don’t ever get a chance to get in the postseason and feel what that’s like, the celebrations and the camaraderie with the guys becomes No. 1. You don’t hear much about that these days, but for me, that plays a huge role."
"At this point for me, it’s about being happy and being in a place where you enjoy the players, the staff and the organization," he said. "The way the Giants do things has just been first class for me in my time here. I couldn’t be happier to come back and remain a Giant, and hopefully we can run this thing back."
- Pat Burrell
"It'll break your heart. It's designed to break your heart."
- A. Bartlett Giamatti
Whenever he gets caught looking
or strikes out. I suppose I can use this quote to calm me down. Classy guy. Loving that he’s still with us.
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
I feel like Burrell has been called a classy guy more times just in the last two weeks on MCC than he has everywhere else at any time.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
OT
Buster Posey wins the This Week in Baseball Rookie of the Year award in a landslide over Feliz and Heyward.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Who is voting for this?
Adding to the above, Brian Wilson wins Closer of the Year, Brian Sabean wins Executive of the Year and Bruce Bochy wins Manager of the Year. I didn’t see the Wilson vote but Sabean and Bochy won with over 60% of the vote.
BTW, these are being revealed on MLB Network.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Lincecum wins postseason MVP
Cody Ross finished 2nd…3rd??……..Matt Cain! Quite appropriate.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Did you watch the video while they were discussing that?
“Landslide by the Yanke…by the Giants there.” Freudian slip?
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
To answer the "who is voting" question . . .
They’ve been running an All-Star Game like “stuff the ballot box” vote on MLB.com since the Series ended. But the TV-show revealed that fan vote was only 25% of the total. They also gave 25% weight to votes of three groups: writers, execs, and former players (IIRC).
by NiceGuysFinishEtc on Dec 18, 2010 8:35 AM PST up reply actions
Ahahahaha. The video on MLB.com for Posey winning the award has a breakdown of his swing…
At one point, they freeze him mid-step, put the MLB logo on-screen, flip it around, and fit him perfectly inside it.
So effing glorious.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
Link please!
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Wow. That is made of awesome.
"Man, you just can't beat a good bowl of gumbo." ~ William Nuschler Clark
Subject line
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
by El Person on Dec 17, 2010 7:01 PM PST up reply actions 8 recs
Throughout September, Harold Reynolds kept bringing this up and how much he loved Posey (when he hated the Molina trade in June).
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
LOL
30 Clubs in 30 Days when he was talking about how Buster was just not ready for the big leagues and that they needed Molina back. Once they signed him he was praising the deal so much.
Harold Reynolds is also an idiot though.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Smart enough to recognize how well Buster did once he came up though.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 18, 2010 9:26 AM PST up reply actions
Hugs!
"You think someone that big would be more well endowed" Aubrey Huff's mother on Pat Burrell
I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
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I don't know
His comments seem a bit self righteous for someone who missed 120+ games over the past two years. But it’s hard to tell how douchey the comments really are without understanding how the negotiations went.
What $ amount would have been respectful?
"Man, you just can't beat a good bowl of gumbo." ~ William Nuschler Clark
I kind of agree. I can imagine a session of negotiations that implodes, leaving Edgar bitter and frustrated and liable to say the first thing that comes to mind.
Everything I’m reading so far sounds like
Sabes: “One million for a year.”
Edgar: “No.”
Sabes: “Bye.”
Edgar: [rageoutofnowhere]
Look out. I'm having a thought.
Wow, nice!
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Fun!
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 17, 2010 6:21 PM PST up reply actions
/sad trombone
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Cue the Bruce Banner sad walking away music. It’s funny because when i watch that now, that plays in my head for Howard…..and I laugh!
"A 1-0 Loss is the fault of our pitching staff" Bruce Bochy/Brian Sabean
by Cant_buy_a_run on Dec 18, 2010 6:21 AM PST up reply actions
Oh, and get bent, Rent
"Campeones." - Andres Torres
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Dec 17, 2010 6:18 PM PST reply actions
Harsh
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
by slackersphere17 on Dec 17, 2010 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
SIAP. Rent's agent clears things up.
Here’s an update from John Shea on the Renteria saga. Spoke with Giants assistant GM Bobby Evans, who received a text from agent Barry Meister, who suggested his client has no problem with the Giants and that the “total disrespect” line might not have been an accurate characterization.
Evans said the Giants still are looking at all options for a backup shortstop, and that means the team hasn’t given up on a Renteria reunion.
At the same time, Renteria’s quotes were quite clear, so there’s a major inconsistency coming from his camp, and it’s not as if the Giants have wiggle room to move much from their $1 million proposal, which was offered before the winter meetings.
“Something doesn’t add up when you read Renteria’s quotes and yet the agent insists that Edgar has no problem with the Giants,” Evans said.
Renteria might not have many options. The Marlins haven’t even brought up Renteria’s name, according to the Palm Beach Post.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/giants/index
Wilber Bucardo: Missing?
lol that’s kinda what Urbs said would happen.
Renteria’s agent surely will come out at some point within the next 24 hours and claim his client was misquoted, but don’t believe that for a second.
So… did the earth stop spinning on it’s axis?
Damn, and I believed it for 3 seconds! Sorry Urban.
Your 2010 World Series Champion San Francisco Giants
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Dec 18, 2010 1:03 AM PST up reply actions
"I was misquoted"
“I don’t recall”
“It was taken out of context”
“My client loves the Boomtown Squids”
“This has been blown out of proportion”
“I never touched that woman”
The Sayings of our time
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
I bet he pulls a Jermaine Dye
And just retires because he doesn’t get an offer he likes
I think this translates to “I don’t think I get any percentage on time-with-the-family”.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 18, 2010 6:44 AM PST up reply actions
His last deal paid him $18 million for 2 HR's
maybe he should’nt feel so disrespected
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
by slackersphere17 on Dec 17, 2010 7:02 PM PST reply actions
I can't help myself . . .
I’m watching Game 1 of the WS on CSNBA.
And I’m feeling it. Yes I am.
Shouldn’t I be going out with, like, people?
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 17, 2010 7:07 PM PST reply actions
Good point, yet . . .
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 17, 2010 7:18 PM PST up reply actions
Instead of watching the Giants in post-season 2010?
What are you, nuts?
by mrs. owlcroft on Dec 17, 2010 7:10 PM PST up reply actions
. . .ummmm . . .
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 17, 2010 7:19 PM PST up reply actions
Don’t answer that!
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 18, 2010 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
OH NO!!!
Timmy’s in trouble in the first inning!!!
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 17, 2010 7:17 PM PST up reply actions
I’ve never actually seen any of that game before the inning where the Giants start scoring.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Me too, Person. I had a construction project going on and I had to see it through. I didn’t get inside until the 3rd inning.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 17, 2010 7:20 PM PST up reply actions
Timmy?
Run down impaired?
This is my first time to hear Kruk and Kuip report. And I love it.
Much better than people.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 17, 2010 7:22 PM PST up reply actions
If you are in CA, stay in. It’s raining in most part of the state.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
OR...
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
by slackersphere17 on Dec 17, 2010 8:27 PM PST up reply actions
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by Natto on Dec 17, 2010 10:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Singing in the RainMatrix?
Aaron King, please pitch better.
McC Wiki - for all you newcomers out there.
Well it will be the first TV viewing for me, I was at the game.
Crazy Crab despised in the 20th century and beloved in the 21st century. Hey it only took over 20 years, so don't give up hope.
But it didn’t happen unless there’s video.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 17, 2010 7:32 PM PST up reply actions
Speaking of video, I have the first two games broadcasted by CSN on dvd now. I recorded them today so that my friend’s tivo would have sufficient space for the rest of the games. I have proof!
Crazy Crab despised in the 20th century and beloved in the 21st century. Hey it only took over 20 years, so don't give up hope.
Then it really happened!!!
And you were there! And you were there! And you were there!
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 17, 2010 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
Oh yeah, I did tag myself in the picture on the MLB site. So YEAH I WAS!
Crazy Crab despised in the 20th century and beloved in the 21st century. Hey it only took over 20 years, so don't give up hope.
Emerald City.
Very cool, timmeh.
I didn’t make it to a single game this year. I’ll do better next, I hope.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 17, 2010 7:53 PM PST up reply actions
Nope, not permitted.
You went to no games, the Giants won the World Series therefore: NO GAMES FOR YOU!!!
is chastised
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 17, 2010 8:10 PM PST up reply actions
Not defending Rent, but..
His situation and Pat’s situation is different. Pat is from the Bay so taking a hometown discount works for him. Rent is not from here, so to expect him to take the same amount to play here doesn’t make sense.
Wilber Bucardo: Missing?
unless you consider next year as a sort of bonus year to the $18 million contract
It’s not like the team hasn’t paid the shit out of him
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
by slackersphere17 on Dec 17, 2010 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
Who the fuck has ever done that?
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 18, 2010 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
The situation is also different because Pat was both good AND healthy last year.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
He also got paid $18.5 million last year from that team and was offered a contract I believe purely out of respect for him and what he did for the Giants in the WS. It’s not like he’s getting a bunch of contract offers at the moment. Plus Pat was actually healthy last year. During his two years he only played in about 60% of the games and you can’t assume he’ll stay healthy next year.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
He also got paid $18.5 million last year from that team and was offered a contract I believe purely out of respect for him and what he did for the Giants in the WS.
I don’t know how it was phrased to him, but I really hope it wasn’t a straight-up $1 million offer. I imagine it was more like “Hey, Edgar, thanks for everything. Btw, if you still can’t find work in a month or two, we have a standing million dollar offer to you.”
I think it had to have been like a straight up offer for him to say that he felt disrespected about it because why would he single them out like that if the offer was done in passing like that? But honestly I don’t know, I wish I did know more about how these negotiations go.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
This
was probably the wording that was used with Edgar, but either something was lost in the translation or that conversation was fine a couple of weeks ago but when he picked up the Columbia Gazette and read where Sabes made a last ditch effort to try and sign Uribe for ~$7mm a year with multiple years and then offers and signs Tejada for $6.5mm a year, then Rent flips out and feels “disrespected”. I don’t agree with the logic but can understand where Rent is coming from. Rest assured with the very weak SS crop, if Rent holds out and stays in shape, he will certainly get at least a $3mm+ offer for 1 year from some team in a panic about their SS situation sometime between now and mid February.
"I always knew I was going to be thrown at. I was old-school, so I didn't care, as long as they hit me from the neck down.'' Hac-Man One Flap down Jeffrey Leonard
by Penitentiary Face on Dec 18, 2010 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
I like the disconcerted K & K .
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 17, 2010 7:24 PM PST up reply actions
OT
I have seen THE ugliest field ever. Villanova at Eastern Washington, Division I football playoffs. Eastern WA has a red field (game is on ESPN 2).
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Sorry,
busy watching Game 1 of WS. Giants are losing because of their lame defense and baserunning.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 17, 2010 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
I’m not bothering because I’ll get that on the World Series DVD set.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
My set is coming also, but
..can’t . . . help . . . self . . . .
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 17, 2010 7:35 PM PST up reply actions
My set is right here next to me… but hey…it’s on so I’m watching. Wouldn’t want CSN to think I wasn’t interested.
Molina scores on sac fly.
Game over.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 17, 2010 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
I distinctly remember swearing under my breath at the time. I had a kid sitting next to me so I couldn’t yell the things I truly wanted to say.
Crazy Crab despised in the 20th century and beloved in the 21st century. Hey it only took over 20 years, so don't give up hope.
You are a better person than I am.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 18, 2010 9:29 AM PST up reply actions
They can’t contain the Rangers’ baserunning! Even Vlad stole a base against the Yankees!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 18, 2010 6:46 AM PST up reply actions
OT
Dave Flemming is doing the ASU-Nevada basketball game on ESPN U. I wonder if we’ll lose him soon. He seems to be doing more games for the ESPN Networks.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Wouldn’t it be hilarious (and terrible) if he got signed by ESPN to do Sunday Night Baseball?
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Today, I was in Barnes & Noble (unfortunately), and while perusing the Sports section I stumbled across “Baseball for Dummies.” Joe Morgan was on the cover.
Enough said.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
Well, they’re not lying on the title!
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
You misread. It's titled, "Baseball by Dummies".
With a foreword by Tim McCarver.
Harold Reynolds and Mitch Williams are quoted liberally.
. . . as do I.
I’m amped up for two weeks off.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 17, 2010 7:43 PM PST up reply actions
Burrell struck out.
I’m sure he’ll have a fine series, though.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
Not seeing ball.
LOL Vlad.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 17, 2010 7:47 PM PST up reply actions
Kuip says about Uribe . . .
“He was swinging for the downs.”
Um, yep.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 17, 2010 7:49 PM PST reply actions
Gallo looks down beak . . .
. . . at you “people” who have actual “lives” that involve doing “things” on a Friday night.
/scratches the wet dirt for seeds and grubs . . .
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 17, 2010 7:57 PM PST reply actions
Not to mention being on standby, just waiting for the call.
Crazy Crab despised in the 20th century and beloved in the 21st century. Hey it only took over 20 years, so don't give up hope.
Yeah,
that’s the ticket. I’m on standby too. Yeah. Nothing to do but wait for the call and watch the game. Yeah.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 17, 2010 8:13 PM PST up reply actions
Truly as the weather gets worse, I’ll be getting a call soon enough.
Crazy Crab despised in the 20th century and beloved in the 21st century. Hey it only took over 20 years, so don't give up hope.
Utilities
Crazy Crab despised in the 20th century and beloved in the 21st century. Hey it only took over 20 years, so don't give up hope.
ah
busy week for you
If it’s really going to rain all next week I’m sooooooooo glad I don’t have to go to work.
Yep
Crazy Crab despised in the 20th century and beloved in the 21st century. Hey it only took over 20 years, so don't give up hope.
My respect and condolence, timmeh.
So far it’s just wet. No wind to speak of.
Merope and I are in Sacramento.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 17, 2010 8:43 PM PST up reply actions
And the call just came in, off to Richmond. Fun, fun.
Crazy Crab despised in the 20th century and beloved in the 21st century. Hey it only took over 20 years, so don't give up hope.
Burrell . . .
will come through.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 17, 2010 8:07 PM PST reply actions
So I called into FP's radio show
To talk about the 9ers and the Cliff Lee pickup, Mentioned MCC, he knows and he reads the comments cause he knows we rip his broadcasts lol.
HEY FP! I still like your radio show, but leave the radio/tv broadcasting to John and the Flem!
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
was that you last night? I just got back in my car and heard the very end of the call, but heard FP mention McCovey Chronicles.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
Yup it was me
I was pointing out that the Giants have a better rotation then the Phils, but also how Giants fans at MCC have a soft spot for TGP fans
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
I like FP
But he says really really dumb things. The other day he said that Cliff Lee was way overhyped because his ERA and win total were similar to Jonathan Sanchez’s.
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Cliff Lee’s unintentional walks, 2010: 10
Jonathan Sanchez unintentional walks, month of July: 16.
My Adopted Giant
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
lol
But seriously I don’t see him keeping up that ridiculous BB rate next year.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Also saw this and lol'd
Cliff Lee :June 27, 2002: Traded by the Montreal Expos with Brandon Phillips, Grady Sizemore and Lee Stevens to the Cleveland Indians for Bartolo Colon and Tim Drew
Expos got the short end of the stick on this one, too bad the only one they have left is Sizemore
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
Actually
Lee had 16 Unintentional walks in 2010, including the post season. That’s still an insanely low amount of walks for a season.
Cliff Lee’s command has gotten better YOY, at least in as much as I watched him. I expect him to keep up his pattern and stay under 30 unintentional walks this year.
As far as Sanchez, he just needs to focus, we know how nasty his slider can be, if he had Bumgarner’s focus and fearlessness, we’d have a starting rotation ERA under 3.25 assuming Cain, Lincecum and MadBum perform as advertised – Zito of course, because he’s a barrel of goo right now.
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
I agree
He’s funny as hell on his radio show, his broadcasting may come along.
Keep in mind alot of times he’s saying something off the cuff, He does need to do the research before saying a Cy Young winner is = No Hitter/Tub of Goo(depends on which Sanchez shows up)
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
shift-A Hey didja see the latest Journey footage
And no, not Steve Perry’s old band, the Inside the Clubhouse footage
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=13067085
Murph packing up the Commissioner’s Trophy for the flight back to SF from Texas. I gotta say, I was a bit verklempt.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
Haven’t seen it, shanghai. Thanks for the link.
Great play by Renteria. That was when I knew we had it. >)
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 17, 2010 8:17 PM PST reply actions
BUT WE HATES HIM NOW.
"Campeones." - Andres Torres
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Dec 17, 2010 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
Noobs will think you people are weird for doing GDT from a game that happened a month and a half ago.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
/shuns noobs
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 17, 2010 8:44 PM PST up reply actions
When have we ever cared about n00bs?!
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LOLee
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
Don't throw that shit to me,
“Mr” Lee.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 17, 2010 8:40 PM PST up reply actions
I was so happy when Lee was pulled I was quite unbecoming in my schadenfreude. I rather regret it now, but in explanation, I was very stressed in my seat surrounded by season-ticket holders and jaunty lesbians.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
NOT THE 8TH INNING SET UP MAN
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
by slackersphere17 on Dec 17, 2010 8:54 PM PST reply actions
I was cheering with everyone else but when he hit that I screamed like a banshee. The guy next to me was in awe that I could get louder, even said “Well done”. :)
Crazy Crab despised in the 20th century and beloved in the 21st century. Hey it only took over 20 years, so don't give up hope.
That'll do pig. That'll do.
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
by slackersphere17 on Dec 17, 2010 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
Baa-ram-ewe
Crazy Crab despised in the 20th century and beloved in the 21st century. Hey it only took over 20 years, so don't give up hope.
Whoa. Rangers falling apart!
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
Seeing shots of Buck and McCarver talking but hearing Kruk and Kuip is one of my favorite parts of these re-broadcasts.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
Shift A
Dammit, when do pitchers and catchers report?
Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.
I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog
THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
The only date I care about is either March 31 or April 1.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
First Spring Training game is Feb 25 vs Arizona
MLB mandated dates (don’t know how much wiggle room there is with these):
Feb. 13, 2011
Voluntary Spring Training reporting date for pitchers, catchers and injured players
Feb. 18, 2011
Voluntary Spring Training reporting date for non-pitchers and catchers
Feb. 25, 2011
Mandatory Spring Training reporting date for all players
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
Tony!
Kruk: "and the Giants, the San Francisco Giants…"
Kuip: "They got one…"
Kruk: "World Champs."
- November 1, 2010
Someone should just explain it to Renteria.
The offer started at 8 million for the year. Then they went through the playoffs and deducted $1M for every time he threw the bat at the ball, and it did NOT result in a hit.
Seems totally fair to me.
Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.
I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog
THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
I hadn't heard Tony.
It was awesome.
Sorry to be gone for a while. I was in howie’s book fanpost. And a late dinner.
LOL Guerrero . . . again.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 17, 2010 9:55 PM PST reply actions
T . . .
I . . .
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 17, 2010 9:58 PM PST reply actions
LOL VLAD
Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.
I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog
THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
I’ve always liked Edgar and respected him as a baseball player, the guy is a HOF’er but this quote just made him look REALLY bad…
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
He’s not a HOF’er
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
Looking at his career
He doesn’t have gaudy numbers or anything but he was a pretty good player throughout the years he has a chance, albeit he’s definitely not a first rounder but it’s possible.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
He'll get some votes
Because of the whole two-time-WS-MVP thing. But he doesn’t deserve the hall. But I think he’ll survive a ballot or two.
My Adopted Giant
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I don’t think its possible. Has there ever been a hall of famer with only 5 seasons with an OPS+ over 100, only 3 seasons over 105 and only 1 season over 125? I think he’d probably have to be one of the worst hitters to ever get in and its not like he was dominant defensively.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
to answer my own question
Phil Rizzuto was a much worse hitter than Renteria over his career, but he did have a reputation as an amazing defensive player and he won quite a few more World Series rings than Renteria and even won an MVP. I also don’t think Rizzuto would get in with today’s voters.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
He didn’t get in with his day’s voters, either. He was a Vets’ Committee pick in 1994. Certainly helped by being a Yankee and staying in the public eye as a broadcaster. But there are worse players in the HOF, so whatever.
I think that if he became a manager (as he seems to want to do) and stuck around baseball, he could get elected as a player in several decades. It wouldn’t be right, but the Hall of Fame is kind of a joke anyway.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
I really can't see it happening
Just among SS’s of the past 15 years, ARod, Jeter, Garciaparra, Vizquel, Tejada, and Rollins were better. And there are only ~20 shortstops in the hall.
He's a 1st ballot Hall of Pretty Good-er
It’s a squat little building located in Stockton with a statue of Von Hayes in front.
BOCHY USED OPTIC BLAST
Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.
I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog
THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
That picture was taken at the JC Penney portrait studio - I recognize the backdrop
"I always knew I was going to be thrown at. I was old-school, so I didn't care, as long as they hit me from the neck down.'' Hac-Man One Flap down Jeffrey Leonard
by Penitentiary Face on Dec 18, 2010 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
Is that a command?
Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.
I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog
THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
Boy that was an ugly game.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
Which, considering I wrote this game off on my way there, is still incredible.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on Dec 17, 2010 10:49 PM PST up reply actions
Jeremy Affeld asks and obvious question
http://jeremyaffeldt.wordpress.com/2010/12/17/did-god-want-the-giants-to-win/
My Adopted Giant
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I wish he wouldn’t use “gift” as a verb. Verbing weirds language.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Verbing...
…is an example of verbing, since verb is a noun, and verbing is the verbed version of verb.
My life has been negatively impacted by verbing.
/losing battle vs “impacting”
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on Dec 18, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
WOW, Disney really butchered the plot to Hunchback of Notre Dame.
And my word those voices are distracting. Jason Alexander?
It does have the one really, really great Frollo song, though. So at least there’s that.
Placeholder.
Disney butchers all plots, I’m pretty sure.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Goofy shot first!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 18, 2010 12:07 AM PST up reply actions
That movie sucked, but I went to see it the day after I finished working 36 hours straight.
Demi Moore was the miscast, IMO. Had they used Fran Drescher for Quasimodo it would have been really perfect.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 18, 2010 6:49 AM PST up reply actions
OT: Reality TV
I plugged a show called ‘The Sing Off’ a couple weeks ago. It’s an acapella performance competition. And it’s awesome.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYyJ0YT087A
The finale (featuring that group in the video along with 3 others) is on Monday, and should be great. On NBC. You should watch.
My Adopted Giant
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Greinke is apparently demanding a trade now?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Zack-Greinke-asks-Kansas-City-Royals-for-trade-fires-agent-121710
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Cant like that if you are the Royals
Way to put your current team over a barrel. They should still get a decent haul, but having to move him now as opposed to choosing to move him will certainly lower his price.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 18, 2010 12:10 AM PST up reply actions
Frankly… playing in KC, I’m surprised he hadn’t demanded one sooner. Unless you are from around there, I don’t see much upside to playing in an empty stadium for a dead-end organization like that.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
I don’t see much upside to playing in an empty stadium for a dead-end organization like that.
They should trade him to Oakland.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 18, 2010 12:11 AM PST up reply actions
I was unf unfing over this in my head today
Sanchez + Wheeler + Neal for Greinke. I’d do it in a second. Take the wind out of the damn Phillies sails.
My Adopted Giant
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Not bad
And I never really enjoyed watching Sanchez pitch anyway. Although I am sure they would ask for Belt.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 18, 2010 12:17 AM PST up reply actions
Eh
I don’t know why they would, necessarily.
Brandon Belt is phenomenal, don’t get me wrong. He’s the second best 1B prospect in the minors.
But the Royals have the first best.
My Adopted Giant
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Flip him for another blue chip, possibly.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
Yeah they wouldnt, but they would ask for Bumgarner
"I dont always hit home runs, but when I do, I prefer World Series winning home runs"
I might do
Bum for Greinke straight up. Especially if Zack is interested in signing an extension a la Hallday, as that article semi-implies.
My Adopted Giant
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I’ll take the 6 years of Bumgarner and lock up the guys we have
"I dont always hit home runs, but when I do, I prefer World Series winning home runs"
I love Bum
But he’s not the kind of guy who’s got a 9.4 WAR season in him, I don’t think. There are very few pitchers who do. And Greinke is one of them.
Bumgarner certainly gives more value over the course of his contract than Greinke does. But Greinke gives a bunch more value over the next two years than Bum does, almost certainly.
And I think winning over the next two years is a bit more important than after that.
My Adopted Giant
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
That’s true, though I don’t know if I believe that Greinke will put up another 9.4 WAR season. Now, even without that, he’s a 5 WAR pitcher probably, which is valuable BUT that’s a number I could see MadBum attaining at some point in his career.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
That's a high bar
There have been 10 pitchers in the majors who have averaged 5+ WAR over the past 3 seasons. I love Bummy, but I don’t think I can ever see him being one of the 10 best pitchers in baseball. And Greinke is already there.
My Adopted Giant
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Let’s say Greinke puts up 10-12 WAR over the next two years he’s under contract. We have Bumgarner for five more years. Do you think he can manage to do better than 10-12 WAR over that time period? I feel pretty confident that he can.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Absolutely
Which is why I said Bumgarner gives more value over the course of his contract.
But 5 wins in one season is more valuable than 5 spread out over two season, especially for a team contending for a world series.
My Adopted Giant
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
But MadBum could very well be a 4-5 win player, as El Person points out below.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Yes
But Greinke is much, much, muuuuuch more likely to be one, seeing as how he’s already done it 3 times.
My Adopted Giant
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I see the Giants as more likely to be serious contenders for another ring AFTER 2012, because that’s when the payroll starts getting a little less constricting with Rowand, Zito, and Huff off the books, but who knows what the team will look like then?
Even with that uncertainty, though, I’d rather have the years of team control.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
I'm a bit of a fish out of water on these types of discussions
Because I’ve always been a WIN-NOW type… and then we won, like, now. So, like a summer rose, I just don’t know what to do with myself.
My Adopted Giant
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Rowand Zito and Huff are gone but Timmy, Cain, Wilson will all be very expensive around that time and Buster, Bumgarner and Sandoval will all be getting close to becoming expensive as well. I don’t think we’ll be pursuing any huge free agent upgrades AND keeping all the key players around.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
Huff, Rowand, and Zito are worth a combined $40 million in payroll. Given what Lincecum, Cain, and Wilson are already making, and given the Giants’ obvious foresight about the contract issues looming around 2012-13, they’ll make every effort to lock up what they can ahead of that date.
It’s not necessarily about making huge upgrades, either… Given who the key players are, keeping them around could be enough to contend well into the decade.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
We could, if you want to be a nerd about this.
And, again, I’m conceding entirely that Bumgarner for five years will be more valuable and provide more surplus value in the aggregate.
But if we weight wins in the next two years more highly than wins more than two years from now, the math can change.
My Adopted Giant
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
If you take MadBum’s rWAR from this season, and assume that he would have continued attaining WAR at the same rate if he had been up all season, he would have had 4.8 WAR this year. Obviously that doesn’t mean anything concrete, but it shows how good he is already.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Yeah, I dunno if he would’ve kept a 3.00 WAR all season. That’s pretty generous.
Still, I see plenty of room for Bumgarner to improve as a pitcher, and more importantly the capability to improve.
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
That's a big assumption
Aaron King, please pitch better.
McC Wiki - for all you newcomers out there.
Greinke is going to be very expensive. Something the Giants cant really handle without dumping some salary if they hope to keep Lincecum and Cain. Unless you plan on just trading for the 2 years of Greinke. Either case, I’ll take Madison.
"I dont always hit home runs, but when I do, I prefer World Series winning home runs"
Im making assumptions
Of course they could raise salary a bunch. If it wouldnt matter about money, I would probably do it
"I dont always hit home runs, but when I do, I prefer World Series winning home runs"
It’s not going to happen.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
But, but
We could trade Sanchez Wheeler and Neal for Greinke, and Rowand + cash for Fukudome, and then somehow get Lance Berkman in the mix, and just for you we’ll pull off something for Jason Bartlett, and….
My Adopted Giant
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Jason Bartlett is gone Logan. He’s gone. And he’s not coming back.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
WERTH
/sees GP’s sad face
Aaron King, please pitch better.
McC Wiki - for all you newcomers out there.
It's Dayton Moore
Offer Crawford, Peguero, and DeRosa.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
I find it difficult to put my faith in a pitcher who I know is mentally unstable.*
- as am I and of the same malady
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on Dec 18, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
They’re so mean to Jerry on Parks and Recreation.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I love that there’s no reason at all for it. He’s not even much more awkward than Leslie. Everyone just hates Jerry.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Rondoleeza Rice
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Never understood the big deal about Kanye West, but listening to him just made me want to listen to King Crimson, so he can’t be all bad.
Twenty-first century schizoid man
Your 2010 World Series Champion San Francisco Giants
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Dec 18, 2010 1:57 AM PST up reply actions
College Dropout was great. Then alot of shit (other than a few good singles).
This album was pretty epic IMO.
Wilber Bucardo: Missing?
Kanye is the greatest hero of our generation
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Tiger Woods’ divorce and collapse is the greatest sports story of the year.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on Dec 18, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
ROFL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4fYVteC8jo
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
Checking back on my prospect list from last year...
…and I’m kind of proud of how I started my Posey blurb:
I can’t add anything to the lore of Posey. He was formed Serpentor-like in a lab, created from the DNA of Will Clark, Roger Bresnahan, Ulysses S. Grant, and Chuck D. He is of whom the legends foretold; the chosen one, our beacon, praise be unto he. The first World Series parade in San Francisco history will be because of Buster Posey.
Looks ’shopped.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 18, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
You must be using Dragon software
It can be the only way you posted that while patting yourself on the back.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 18, 2010 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
Okay, Howie’s back then.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 18, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
Not yet. The drug store was closed, so he had to drive across town to get the sedatives.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 18, 2010 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
So true
As soon as Posey signs with the Yankees, the draft picks he gives us will eventually be traded for the veteran bat who will win us a seri….
Wait, what?
My Adopted Giant
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Is Renteria a HOFer?
Dude has 2200 hits and a couple of rings. And I think he won WS MVP once.
Life is not about this Dirty Sanchez
Discussed above
Here is what cookyman said:
I really can’t see it happening
Just among SS’s of the past 15 years, ARod, Jeter, Garciaparra, Vizquel, Tejada, and Rollins were better. And there are only ~20 shortstops in the hall.
WWRWD?
i wish people would include the giants in the Grienke talks...
Makes me feel left out
Maybe we can be Heyman's new #mysteryteam
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
I THINK IM GONNA JOIN THE ARMY
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
if my brother were here, he would rant about how inaccurate that movie is
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
that's what I tell him
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
show me a movie thats incredibly accurate
and ill show you a movie that didnt do well in the box office.
(few exceptions)
This thread went on a tangent even more unexpected than usual!
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
I dislike most citrus except as flavoring.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
it's a good point
but based on what he’s told me, I also understand why it’s difficult for him to take the movie seriously.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
It was pretty far-fetched though. I mean, they’re snipers too?
Inglourious Basterds was more believable.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
it was like watching a play
5 acts, each act didnt change the scene, each act was like 25 or 30 minutes long
i thought it was ok, but i was bored most of the time
I watched it and while I wouldn’t say it’s a piece of shit, I ultimately didn’t appreciate its movie-geek thesis.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
It has the worst premise I’ve ever heard of. Usually I don’t care about the premise, but it has the worst premise I’ve ever heard of. And Tarantino is the last director in the world I would trust with it.
Well, yes.
I think Grant loved it, though.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
Pro-Biodome, or anti-Biodome? Choose now.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 18, 2010 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think you and I have very similar movie tastes.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 18, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
If they didn’t want to be known as the most expensive movie to ever flop, they shouldn’t have filmed it in Florida.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 18, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
Ok
There are some hella ugly WS rings.
http://wsrings.stadiumpage.com/
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
Anyone else here ever read ‘The Celebrant’? About the friendship and fandom of a Jewish immigrant jeweler and Christy Mathewson, sort-of fictionalizing how baseball began commemorating achievements with rings.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
did they release the designs for ours yet?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
That’s what I was surfing around for. Doesn’t look like it.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
I hear it looks like this
But then the person who said that was a Phillies phan.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
Also, interesting in that selection to see that for a while the design was almost standardized – single diamond in a diamond in a field of whatever color signifies the team, with the team name and “world champions” in ugly block lettering.
I think I like the White Sox’s and the 2007 Red Sox’s if I had to choose what the Giants’ ought to look like.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
Yeah, the Red Sox rings look the most decent to me.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
The 1929 A’s ring looks nice. At least, not monstrous.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
Yeah, I do like the simplicity of that one.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
I dunno, that Blue Jays 92 ring still looks gross. I can say that now because my team has finally got one within the last ten years.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
Yeah, the Phillies one looks like it bought all Sierra Leone’s war diamonds.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
I keep thinking now about what a tasteful, exquisite men’s ring would look like.
Then I remember we’re dealing with men who think those Phiten necklaces are cool. And wear more than one. And sometimes on their wrists. And sometimes on their ankles.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
My wedding band is from the ‘30s, because as far as I can tell that is the last time US ringmakers did not make clunky, thick bands that scream ’I wanted brass knuckles but my wife makes me wear this stupid thing.’
What do you think about this ring
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
The Giants should just go hardcore
And have ring tattoos. The guy at the coffee house did that when he got married.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
that's a sure sign that divorce is coming
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
The choices in the poll at the bottom of the page seem to indicate that it considers ugly = boring, whereas I would edge towards boring = attempt at taste, and ugly = overdone. Like the 2009 Yankees. It’s a fucking chandelier. But then, I guess, being horrifically ostentatious is the point.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
The fish in the 2003 one looks very dead for some reason.
Also, is it just me, or do the 1930’s rings all look like those belts wrestlers get when they win?
Also, is it just me, or do the 1930’s rings all look like those belts wrestlers get when they win?
BWAHAHAAHA TRUTH
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
i prefer the 2004 design over the 2007
also, there seem to be a ton of yankee rings on there
What, you don’t want a gaudy monstrosity like the 2003 Marlins?
The Giants won the 2010 World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Et tu, Ribe?
The true monstrosity is the 2002 Angels ring. >:(
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
Still on Agent Ned’s finger!
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
It’s how instructions are secretly relayed to him.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
I was thinking maybe a doormat.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
oh dear god 2001
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
on a scale of 1-10, 1 being no shot in hell and 10 being the most realistic
How likely is a zito to yankees and then a prospect package for grienke that could also include pablo?
/drools
negative 109
I mean, each PART of that is a 1. Together, “no shot in hell squared”
Brian Sabean: Sing His Praises To The Heavens!
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game that seems to have resurrected itself in my absence...
ugh
i know, but this off season, at least on the giants side, has left me blue balled as far as rosterbatin is concerned.
plus, how freaked out would the media get about “which rotation is better?!” if that did happen
try rosterbating in public.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
To protect the treasure of the Knights Templar!
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
U like tangelos?
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
Doop
From X-Force
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
-126 million
Your 2010 World Series Champion San Francisco Giants
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Dec 18, 2010 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry, Grant, I disagree.
That would be true, but in Edgar’s case he’s the knucklehead in the cubicle next door that got paid silly for a couple years while doing nothing. Meanwhile, the guy you’re talking about has consistently pulled in results day after day for over ten years. Yup, about time he gets paid. Meanwhile, Edgar needs to get a clue and understand that just because he made the final sale, there were plenty involved in creating that wonderful power-point presentation he just used to finish off the customer. Does it mean he should still get a big slice of the pie? Nope, and I doubt anyone else would feel that way either
Let him walk
Edgar is just plain wrong. He got over-paid for years and what’s more no one (not the Marlins or the Cards) will be offering more. And if they do, Edgar should take it. We should look for someone with more range, more potential or both. That we didn’t get in on JJ Hardy amazes me. We’ve had two off-seasons to grab him for almost nothing and the front office DID nothing. Maybe Sabean knows something we don’t. Maybe Hardy will never resurrect. But he’s better than anyone we’ve got at any level. Pray Miggy doesn’t pull a hammie.
Don't believe everything you think.
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