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Pardon the gratuitous rosterbation (is there any other kind, really?), but when the decision on Edgar is all we have to work with...

The Buccos are trying to shed salary and redundancy with "C" Ryan Doumit. We apparently need lefty bats (he swtiches, and is better from left side), and I frequently get the nagging feeling that "Whitey" is a waste of a roster space. 

So: we get Doumit for a c-level minor leaguer (and take the salary), get rid of Eli, and use Pablo as emergency 3rd catcher after Doumit pinch-hits late in games. Dude plays some OF, so we can stick him out there against tough RH pitching sometimes. Any way this scenario works?

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by jctGamer on Dec 14, 2010 1:41 PM PST reply actions  

Depending on salary, I would be a little tempted. I wonder if his defense at catcher is as bad as his 2010 FSR numbers suggest.

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by xanthan on Dec 14, 2010 1:52 PM PST reply actions  

It'd have to be part and parcel to others being traded/waived...

With the likely 12-man staff to start the year, there’s a roster crunch on the bench position players. Rowand would have to get traded to free up cash, in a scenario where we eat lotsa skrilla ducats ($). This wouldn’t happen with the buccos straight up for Doumit though, since it looks like they have Tabata, Cutch, and Jones/DIaz in the OF. What if PIT accepted Whitey & Ishi for Doumit & $? (Overbay deal today complicates thangs.)

I could like this deal b/c ditching Eli for Doumit would mean we would still have 3 potential OFers on the bench (Nate, DeRosa, and Doumit, in descending defensive value), while opening up a roster spot for true back-up RH SS to complement Fontenot up the middle. Doumit and DeRosa cover the corner IFs to start. Under this scenario, the 5 bench players are Nate, DeRosa, Doumit, Fontenot and I’d take O-Cab or Rent for 1.5mil. Pretty nice balance of pinch batter types, IMHO.

Once the pitching settles in and either an easy schedule stretch or injury happens, mayhaps Belt gets the call-up.

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by sanfranfreakshow on Dec 14, 2010 3:10 PM PST reply actions  

What happened to ISH?

Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???

by oldrips on Dec 14, 2010 5:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Catching defense being as difficult to measure as it is, there is evidence that his defense is among the worst catchers in the league. His salary is $5.1m in 2011, steep for a backup/pinch hitter. Yes, he “can” play outfield and first base, but would he EVER be a better option than Burrell, Schierholtz, Rowand, Ishikawa and Belt? Because those are the candidates to lose playing time to him.

I’d say “yes” if the Pirates took half his salary, the prospect cost was close to nil, and we could be guaranteed he’d be limited to starting 30 games at C against righties and pinch hitting. The Pirates would be better off hoping he has a strong first half and someone needs a starter than shedding a couple million to a team that thinks Eli Whiteside is good at baseball.

But there is something to be said about having a viable alternative if Posey gets hurt, and it ain’t my money….

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by jasomack on Dec 14, 2010 3:11 PM PST reply actions  

my above comments are with the caveat of extreme skepticism of Doumit not being even more horrible a defender in a part-time role, and that the buccos eat enough cash such that the the giants pay him and the since-traded Rowand the same as if Rowand was still here, poopin’ his full millions.

Sooner rather than later, the giants will need to institute an anti-burnout plan for Buster. heresy alert look what happened to SIRM’s grueled production the last 3 yrs.

by sanfranfreakshow on Dec 14, 2010 3:18 PM PST reply actions  

Doumits

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by Josh from Hollywood on Dec 14, 2010 5:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Event Horizon is still good enough to start at Catcher

1) He’s still good enough to be some team’s everyday catcher.
2) There is probably no worse waste of money than spending $5M/ year on a #2 backstop.
3) No way to I want to even look at this guy sitting in the Giants dugout. Dude doesn’t have any whites in his eyes! Freaky.

by biff pocoroba on Dec 14, 2010 5:26 PM PST reply actions  

$5M is a lot

But your backup catcher is likely to start 30-40 games and probably get close around 200 PAs, especially if they used him as a PH.

I’ve been banging the “Backup C is too important to have Whiteside” drum for a while and like the idea of Doumit because he’s a better hitter and is more versitile.

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by Goofus on Dec 15, 2010 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Depends on the salary

But yeah if the Pirates are just looking to dump him, I’d be down

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by Gobroks on Dec 14, 2010 6:18 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

I don’t think we have room.

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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 14, 2010 6:45 PM PST reply actions  

I think this could actually make room, by providing lefty-hitting C/1b/OF depth out of one player, thereby making Whiteside, Ishi and/or Rowand tradeable/waiveable. Somehow this team has to fit in an actual back-up SS, and Belt someday soon.

by sanfranfreakshow on Dec 14, 2010 7:00 PM PST up reply actions  

nobody wants our trash

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by jasomack on Dec 14, 2010 7:31 PM PST up reply actions  

The Dodgers might.

by boonitez on Dec 14, 2010 8:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I imagine we'd DFA Whiteside

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by Gobroks on Dec 14, 2010 8:17 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

So we would be picking up a backup C/1B for $5.1 million?

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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 14, 2010 8:39 PM PST up reply actions  

With a 500K buyout for 2012

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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 14, 2010 8:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Pittsburgh has said that they'll eat some of his contract

And Doumit can also fill in at 1B. But essentially, yeah

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by Gobroks on Dec 14, 2010 8:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Agreed...

I feel the max we could get a team to pay of Rowand’s contract is 3-4mil per season. While, in a vacuum, paying Doumit that 3-4 mil seems excessive potentially, I can see how it provides more value overall.

by sanfranfreakshow on Dec 15, 2010 2:10 AM PST up reply actions  

I don’t see them taking on any more salary. I’m kind of surprised they resigned the guys they did to the increases that were required to make it happen.

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by elGuapo on Dec 14, 2010 9:29 PM PST reply actions  

In before Delorean

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by Goofus on Dec 15, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Ideally I’d like a better backup catcher to take some of the pressure off Posey playing so many games, so I think this idea in theory. But Pittsburgh got to a point of having essentially zero faith in Doumit’s glove. And, as mentioned, the salaries would have to be worked out.

by Monkeyking42 on Dec 15, 2010 10:39 AM PST reply actions  

Not happening

Not with how much Sabes and Bochy value defense behind the plate.

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by cornball on Dec 15, 2010 2:47 PM PST reply actions  

I’d rather just stick with Whiteside or another replacement level catcher.

The Whitesides, Eliezer Alfonzos, and Guillermo Rodriguezs have all done a decent enough job.

by kingofthacove on Dec 15, 2010 5:45 PM PST reply actions  

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by kingofthacove on Dec 15, 2010 5:47 PM PST up reply actions  

ok, good

you all are bored too. Didn’t think I’d get more than 3 replies to this one. Seems the nays have it, but I’m actually surprised at the reasoning. I give you that $ are important, and I did propose that we take the contract (though i’m certainly interested in many variations on that theme). But to me, the real sticking point is the notion that we seriously go ahead with the emergency catcher scenario. I mean, don’t get me wrong: it’s also what’s most attractive about the move. I just don’t really believe that REAL BASEBALL PEOPLE would go for such a maneuver. Can we think of teams that have freely used their backup C to pinch-hit late in games, leaving another position player as the last line of defence?

by BigO on Dec 15, 2010 9:01 PM PST reply actions  

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