Why Barry Zito is better than Cliff Lee
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 14, 2010 12:45 PM PST
Email
PrintCouldn't think of a headline, so I thought I'd troll Yahoo! for yuks.
The Giants have a very, very nice rotation. They will for a while, too. Matt Cain and Jonathan Sanchez are under team control for the next two seasons, Tim Lincecum is around for at least the next three, Madison Bumgarner is here for at least five more seasons, and Barry Zito is for the next forty-seven. It’s an enviable position. This is a young rotation that has already won a World Series, and there aren’t a lot of tough decisions to make for a while.
But if I see one more snarky comment from a Giants fan that mentions the Phillies having the second-best rotation in the game, I’m going to…why, I’ll…I’ll write a blog post.
I love the Giants’ rotation. But the third spot in the rotation belongs to a guy whom I don’t quite trust. The Giants don’t make the playoffs in 2010 if Jonathan Sanchez doesn’t pitch as well as he did last season. He started when the Giants clinched, and he should have been the winning pitcher in the Brooks Conrad game. Teams would do well to have him as a third starter; the Giants have done well to have him as a third starter.
Don’t trust him, though. Not in that Lee/Halladay/Oswalt/Hamels sense. Nope. Not even close. The lack of trust doesn’t have a ton to do with the last three performances he had in the playoffs – if I’m judging pitchers just on small playoff samples, I’d be laughing at the Phillies for paying Barry Zito money to a guy who can’t win in the World Series. There wasn’t a lot of difference between the clinching game and Game Three of the World Series, actually – if not for a two-out home run, Sanchez was on his way to a five-inning, 110-pitch, one-run special. No, the distrust of Jonathan Sanchez has to do with him being all Jonathan Sanchezy. He doesn’t have good control. He doesn’t have average control. He just walked you as you were reading this.
Last year, the below-average control didn’t hurt him that much because he didn’t allow a lot of hits. With runners in scoring position, he held hitters to a .194 batting average. That’s great. It’s also something that might not be sustainable. So if he’s going to be as good as he was last year, he’s going to have to hone his command. It can happen. Randy Johnson is the most obvious and recent example of a left-handed pitcher who went from good to great to legendary just by improving his control. Sanchez has that potential. He’s still very much an unknown, though. I just copied-and-pasted those last three sentences from a post from two years ago.
I’m still very, very optimistic about next season. I love that Sanchez made forward progress last year, and I love that he’s a part of this rotation. So if I have a point, then, it’s this: don’t grab your crotch and waggle it at the rest of the baseball world just yet. Well, do it because the Giants won the World Series – that’s always appropriate – but don’t do it because you think they’re filled with invincible, untouchable pitchers. They’re not. They’re filled with great pitchers, good pitchers with great potential, and a spiffily dressed sack of average who should probably pick up every tab at every restaurant they ever eat at. It’s an enviable position, but it’s not time to act like a Yankees fan.
Heh. The Yankees. On CBS Sports, Andrew Brackman is listed as their fourth starter. I know they’ll fix that with cartoonish sacks that are decorated with dollar signs, but it’s funny to see right now. Actually, there aren’t any pitchers to buy, really. The odds of Jesus Montero staying in the system just went waaaay down, and that makes me giggle some more. There are benefits to Lee signing with the Phillies.
The Phillies have the best rotation in baseball. The Giants probably have the second best. And it can all get futzed up when a waiver claim hits like Hank Aaron throughout October, so there’s no reason for anyone to start getting too arrogant just yet.
That one’s just for you, Phillies fans. Stop being so happy. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to stare at a wall and wait for March.
1150 comments
|
4 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
tl;dr
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 14, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
Lunch anyone?
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Dec 14, 2010 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
This post isn’t on the front page yet. I feel like I’m in on a secret or something.
"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat
In line with me watching walkthrough video of Assassin’s Creed Brotherhood on YT…
BTW: The ending to AC2 was crap…
Okay but
We don’t have Eugenio Velez and that is two more wins right there. On the other hand what if Tim doesn’t have August? Why can’t Sanchez’ improvement continue? Why not expect Mad, a year old, to continue to get better, he got better all season? Did I mention we don’t have Eugenio ‘which base to I run to next’ Velez anymore?
I can only be nice to one person a day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look good either.
by GiantMalcontent on Dec 14, 2010 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
Oops
Wrong reply button but lots of typos to make up for it.
I can only be nice to one person a day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look good either.
by GiantMalcontent on Dec 14, 2010 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
Really, though
I don’t think it’s unfair to acknowledge there is a slant in coverage toward areas with greater population or population density. It’s hard to cover teams in the west when their support is spread over a broad area. New York, whatever else it may be, is pretty compact.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Oh, it’s not a handshake anymore.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 14, 2010 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
secret genital wag
Sucking up to Grant for a mod position since 2009
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
for cash considerations!
There's a First for Everything:
Edgar Renteria, The First World Series MVP in Giants History.
Ken Rosenthai confirms!
THE THING IS, IT HAPPENED - 11/1/10
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Dec 14, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
Full No-Trade Clause
(Thanks Scott Boras!)
No relation to Matt Cain...
by Caine Black Knife on Dec 15, 2010 9:04 AM PST up reply actions
I am professionally disagreeable
So I disagree. Our staff is young, going up. Theirs is old, going down. 30-somethings are more prone to injury than 20-somethings
I can only be nice to one person a day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look good either.
by GiantMalcontent on Dec 14, 2010 12:55 PM PST reply actions
It's only December?
What am I going to do with all my free time that I used to spend rosterbating?
Future Proud Sponsor of Stan Javier's baseball-reference.com page.
Masturbate?
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 14, 2010 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
Talk about prospects!
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
Honestly...
I see an equal chance of the Giants getting better than last year vs. pulling a 2010 St. Louis Cardinals…
All Hail the Twitter Followers
Zito to Yankees – yes please
by JoeBu Needs a Refill on Dec 14, 2010 12:59 PM PST reply actions
/waggles
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 14, 2010 1:00 PM PST reply actions
this
Phillies rotation is great. In the short term, it’s probably better than the Giants’ unless Sanchez magically discovers some better control and Bumgarner maintains his velocity (I have more hope for the latter than the former).
But the important thing is that hardly matters. We’re not competing with the Phillies right now. If I were a Mets fan or a Braves fan, I’d be nervous. But we still have a 162 game season between us and them, between when we might potentially have to play them to prove who’s rotation is better. And lots of stuff can happen. Pitchers, famously, get hurt. It’s not a rare thing. So by the time we actually have to face them in a series, it’s entirely possible that one of the “Big Fours” will actually be a big three, or a big two. Lets just hope it’s not ours.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Dec 14, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
LOL Mets. their 2011 season is already over. I bet they finish in last place
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
Depends on if Strasburg comes back, IMO.
THE THING IS, IT HAPPENED - 11/1/10
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Dec 14, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think Strasburg makes it back for 2011. What’s his prognosis?
The Nats are looking like a team ready to spend the money to compete- signing Werth will do more than people think, IMO. Look for Washington to pull a near .500 season even without Strasburg. 2012, with Strasburg and Harper, the Nats could be a playoff contender
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
He should just pitch through it!
/Rob Dibble’d
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 14, 2010 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
oh, and one more thing
Pitchers, famously, get hurt. It’s not a rare thing. So by the time we actually have to face them in a series, it’s entirely possible that one of the "Big Fours" will actually be a big three, or a big two. Lets just hope it’s not ours.
age and injury history factor heavily into injuries, as you know. The Giants starters are much, much younger, and none of them have any injury history that I’m aware of (blisters not counting).
Halladay pulls muscles, Lee has back issues, Oswalt and Hamels I’m not sure about.
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
Hamels did have non-specific elbow problems in 2009. Nothing much came of that, but he also had the worst season of his career.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
and Oswalt has a degenerating disc in his back, I just found out.
so you’ve got 4 of 4 starters who are having trouble on the health block already.
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
Oswalt’s injury is pretty scary. I can’t remember what I read before my Pokemonz draft this year, but it made me worry for him as a human, much less a pitcher. It was something like, “He could get another surgery, but doctors were afraid it would leave him without the ability to wipe himself.” It was something freaky like that.
So, yeah, I’m envious for the short-term, but I don’t think I’d trade rotations with them for the long term, considering contracts and all.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 14, 2010 4:24 PM PST up reply actions
yeah i was reading up on Oswalts injury too...
and it is downright dangerous. I don’t know that I would continue pitching with that type of risk. I’m in the same boat, envious of them for now, but wait a year or two…
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
Phillies sign Lee?
Kruk: "and the Giants, the San Francisco Giants…"
Kuip: "They got one…"
Kruk: "World Champs."
- November 1, 2010
by j14 on Dec 14, 2010 1:11 PM PST reply actions 31 recs
is it spring yet?! i wanna wear my lincecum jersey
This is what the world is for: Making electricity.
You mean your Jon Dowd jersey.
Tsuyohsi Shinjo: Underwear model, winner of Japanese "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire," Ham Fighter, and member of the Giants team that would have participated in 2002 WS if an asteroid hadn't destroyed Earth.
by ElCartero on Dec 14, 2010 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I have a feather Roa.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 14, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
You mean your Russ Davis Jersey
My Photo Blog: http://eyeprints.tumblr.com
SIGN UP :D http://www.swagbucks.com/refer/ch3zyp00fs
I didn't choose to be a Giants fan, I was born into it. November 1, 2010 World Champions.
Ha! Nice.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 14, 2010 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
along these lines, I kinda regret my Tsuyoshi Shinjo beanie…. at least I didn’t put money down for a jersey.
Tsuyohsi Shinjo: Underwear model, winner of Japanese "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire," Ham Fighter, and member of the Giants team that would have participated in 2002 WS if an asteroid hadn't destroyed Earth.
OT: Jerseys
I do own a Priest Holmes’ Chiefs jersey and a JaVale McGee Wizard’s jersey…
I haven’t picked a Giant yet to be immortalized in my closet.
Tsuyohsi Shinjo: Underwear model, winner of Japanese "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire," Ham Fighter, and member of the Giants team that would have participated in 2002 WS if an asteroid hadn't destroyed Earth.
Why would you reject that? It sounds awesome.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 14, 2010 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
What's Skip Bayless been eating?
TdaddyNeal
Skip bayless craps me up
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Sounds like he’s been eating TdaddyNeal.
Placeholder.
by howtheyscored on Dec 14, 2010 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
He craps me up too.
"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."
Yankees desperate for another starter
Should Giants to trade offers for one of our starters? Get young hitters, maybe make them take Rowand and salary too? They gotta find someone.
I can only be nice to one person a day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look good either.
by GiantMalcontent on Dec 14, 2010 1:35 PM PST reply actions
ZITO AND ROWAND 4 SABATHIA
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
by rotorueter on Dec 14, 2010 1:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Bay Area ties
I LOVE YOU BASEBALL GODS!!!!!
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
Sanchez + Rowand for
Who? Do the Yankees have anyone at a position we need who isn’t on a ridonkulous contract?
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I hear Montero will be a mean DH.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 14, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
No silly, there’s no DH in clownball.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 14, 2010 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
Lincecum for A rod, CC, Cano and Texeira
Yankees have to also pay both team’s payrolls till those deals expire.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Dec 14, 2010 1:40 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I guess I'll try to answer my own question
We could use Swisher, and he’s not overpaid. Granderson too would be an attractive option. That’s just about it in terms of useful-and-affordable.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I’d take Garner or Swisher (or Cano, but that won’t happen), but beyond that, it’s pretty meh over there.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 14, 2010 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
Losing Zito's salary would be nice
And Yanks want a lefty.
I can only be nice to one person a day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look good either.
by GiantMalcontent on Dec 14, 2010 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
They'd want Tim too
But that’s not who is available.
I can only be nice to one person a day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look good either.
by GiantMalcontent on Dec 14, 2010 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
Perhaps.
I can only be nice to one person a day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look good either.
by GiantMalcontent on Dec 14, 2010 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
We need to wait and see if Petite retires before anything like a Zito trade gets taken seriously.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
We really don't need anything in return for Zito.
The guy is nice, but having that albatross off our neck would be such a relief. Even if we don’t have someone to immediately replace him, I would jump at anyone willing to take Zito and most of his contract with him.
But I’m pretty sure Zito has a NTC, would hate playing in front of the New York media, and no one even wants Zito in the first place. But I can dream…
I had some other text here but then the San Francisco Giants won the World Series
Why would they take him when they already have Burnett around their necks?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 14, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
Because the Yankees live in an alternate reality where any spending, no matter how ludicrous, can always be justified if it’s the piece that pushes them to a title. Also, I didn’t realize Burnett was such an albatross.
I had some other text here but then the San Francisco Giants won the World Series
Remains to be seen, but he was almost out of the rotation more than once.
$16.5M per through 2013.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 14, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
we’d need $8mil a year, if Zito was traded, to get a league-average starter. So really, even if half his contract were eaten in a trade, we’re still breaking even
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
Well that’s a deal I’d probably do. Burnett for Zito? Saves a few million, and there’s more upside. Zito has had playoff success. Maybe the Yanks think that’s shinier than trying to fix Burnett’s problems.
Sure you would. They won’t. And 0-0 with 0.00 ERA in the 2010 postseason may not be quite the marketing tool you imagine.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 14, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
I don't agree
Zito was a 2 WAR player the last 2 seasons. Unload him and you need to replace those 2 wins, and there’s nobody in the organization ready to take that on.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
But we don't have a Jonathan Zito
;p
My Photo Blog: http://eyeprints.tumblr.com
SIGN UP :D http://www.swagbucks.com/refer/ch3zyp00fs
I didn't choose to be a Giants fan, I was born into it. November 1, 2010 World Champions.
not even the Yankees have enough money to casually take Barry Zito off our hands
This makes me sad.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Dec 14, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
it doesn’t matter. they’d have to pay almost his whole contract to even make it worth our while- because Zito would still need to be replaced
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
How many years does Zito have left? Three?
We could still do better than break even if we were paying half his contract, replaced him this year with an average starter with the money from the other half, and then Wheeler/Runzler/other came through.
That last part of course, makes it mostly not worth the risk, but its worth the thought.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Three, plus a fourth year where we either have to pay him $18 million, or pay him $7 million not to pitch for us.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
a league-average starter worth 2-3 WAR/yr to replace Zito probably would cost $10-12M a year. Considering that Zito is already a 2 WAR pitcher, we’re not gonna do much better for the money on the market- we’re only eating $8M a year on Zito, roughly, so trading him doesn’t make as much sense as people think it does.
Rowand is a whole other issue, because he is not someone who has to be replaced.
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
+1
Rowand really provides so little value to this team that had plenty of outfielders that can do just fine.
Honorary parent of Duane Kuiper, beloved broadcaster and power hitting coach for the Giants.
by Giant Voodoo on Dec 14, 2010 5:37 PM PST up reply actions
Okay.
I buy this. I’m usually laughing at the Zito trade ideas. This one only seemed semi-plausible on the basis that the Yankees are rich and desperate.
And you already know I think that Rowand needs to be gone.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
its not that hard of a sell. gotta keep him at this point
Even trading him and eating 1/4 of his contract is still almost breaking even.
but Rowand, i think everyone knows this. He has to go, because like Giant Voodoo said above, we have plenty of OFs who can do what he does, better than him. Rowand isn’t even a starter for this team.
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 6:08 PM PST up reply actions
Only if someone is willing to pick up his contract.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 14, 2010 6:10 PM PST up reply actions
If they took half Rowand's contract
we’d still be coming out well ahead. You can get a serviceable 4th OFer for much less than $6M.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
Yes – my language was imprecise.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 14, 2010 6:35 PM PST up reply actions
well, Rowand could in all entirety be a starting CF, and an average one at that with good power for a weaker team, probably well worth the $6MM/yr
He’s just not for the Giants, who have too many as it stands. I still think we’re gonna see Rowand gone by Opening Day. ::crosses fingers::
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 6:39 PM PST up reply actions
I’m scared of the “fresh start” statement that was made by the Giants in regards to Rowand.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
me too. it makes me think Rowand is gonna take time from real contributors like Ross, Burrell, Torres or Huff (if Belt makes the team).
but then again, ‘fresh start’, in it’s purest form, means- wait for it- a change of scenery
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 6:40 PM PST up reply actions
Sabean’s history seems to be keep the guy and play him.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Hence the “scary”.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Spring Training would be the time to root AGAINST a Giant. Root for Rowand to be really awful. I know Spring Training means nothing but the Giants like to evaluate players that way.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
the thing is, Rowand doesn’t really have any purpose for the team, none at all. I don’t know, even if he’s hitting, where he is supposed to play.
Spurn Torres? hell no. Spurn Burrell? who’d you rather have in the lineup, Pat or Erin? Spurn Ross? playoff hero? no way
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 6:47 PM PST up reply actions
Ross lifetime wOBA – .340
Rowand lifetime wOBA – .338
Rowand taking time away from Ross isn’t that scary. TBH, having an outfield of Rowand, Ross, Torres and Burrell all sharing time (with Torres playing the most) doesn’t bother me.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 14, 2010 6:54 PM PST up reply actions
take a look at the last 3 years worth of data, not lifetime, seeing how they are on opposite sides of their careers.
You’re telling me you wouldn’t care if Rowand was out there instead of Ross? yeah, that’s what I thought
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 7:15 PM PST up reply actions
I’d always prefer looking at more data rather than less. Still, in a vacuum, I’d take Ross. Even more so if you look at production per dollar. But he’s not amazingly better and those dollars are already spent… plus, I don’t think Rowand is as bad as his last year would seem to indicate. I wouldn’t be worked up about it if they were part of a 4/3 outfield.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 14, 2010 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think Rowand is as bad as 2010 indicated either… but I still think that numbers aside, Ross has more potential and is all-around the better player, not to mention Ross’ far younger age and very good, accurate arm
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 7:39 PM PST up reply actions
If you look at career averages
You should adjust for parks and factor in aging.
Aaron King, please pitch better.
McC Wiki - for all you newcomers out there.
Who takes over in right for the Yankees? Their outfield situation is awfully crappy after their three starters. Zito for Granderson or Swisher and then they sign Magglio Ordonez?
Something like that
I hadn’t really considered their part of the deal.
It’s pretty funny that a team with so many good players has so few that anyone would want to trade for.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Wait... I blew it...
Zito AND Rowand (and Runzler?) for Swisher or Granderson? I don’t know. Yeah… I look at the Yankees roster and there’s just a plethora of DNWs there.
faps recklessly, with the door and blinds open
Torres
Sanchez
Huff
Posey
Swisher
Ross
Sandoval
Tejada
Cy Young Winner(s)
Yankees love swisher
But I am glad to see true rosterbation. This is what it’s all about.
# 24
by tinkerstoeverstochance on Dec 14, 2010 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
The ability to constantly overbid seems to be a bit of a double edged sword.
I had some other text here but then the San Francisco Giants won the World Series
They give out so many bloated contracts
Nobody else can take a shitty player off their hands. It’s like a whole team of Zito and Rowand.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Oooooh that trade would be interesting
I’m not sure the Yankees would do it though
"You think someone that big would be more well endowed" Aubrey Huff's mother on Pat Burrell
I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
Follow me: Twitter.com/gobroks
by Gobroks on Dec 14, 2010 7:16 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Oh, oh, I know get Jeter..
Oh, I skip over your ridonkulous disclaimer legalistic thingee. Ssory Doc
seriously though
I would definitely do Sanchez+Rowand for Gardner, and would probably do Sanchez+Rowand for either Granderson or Swisher. The money saved could be used to go after Pavano or Webb.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
So we’d basically be getting rid of Sanchez to clear Rowand’s contract, add Brett Gardner, and then make a run at Pavano or Webb…
Call me crazy, but no thanks. If there were better starting options out there, I’d be more inclined to think about it.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Dec 14, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
Trade Zito? Sure...
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
It depends how much of his contract they'd take.
Most though, that was ‘chasm. I don’t see a trade happening, and I don’t see them taking on enough of the contract to make it worth our while.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Ummmm........
Buster Posey. :D
My Photo Blog: http://eyeprints.tumblr.com
SIGN UP :D http://www.swagbucks.com/refer/ch3zyp00fs
I didn't choose to be a Giants fan, I was born into it. November 1, 2010 World Champions.
i wish philadelphia would take a collective STFU pill.
"to me, the all star game is retarded."--aubrey huff
They already did
his name’s Cody Ross.
by WasabiTorture on Dec 14, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 10 recs
This just in
The Giants have signed a player named Eely Ross
""I’d like to be a crossword clue one day. I want to be in The New York Times’s Sunday edition. Right now, the clue ‘Giants great’ is always Mel Ott. I want my clue to be down, not across. The down ones are usually harder. And when I’m the clue, I’ll fill it in — just that one — and frame it. " - Brian Wilson.
by hairball on Dec 14, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Took me a second
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Dec 14, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
didnt you say “codys brother, Flicy Ross” in the last thread? or was that someone else, lol?
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
yknow, Ssory Clif?
actually, that’d be Filcy Ross
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
Cashman just called Seattle
And asked if Felix could come and play.
I can only be nice to one person a day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look good either.
by GiantMalcontent on Dec 14, 2010 1:44 PM PST reply actions
What did their GM say, "LOL"?
"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."
i was talking to a yankee fan friend
and he said he wouldnt want Felix. “Too inconsistent for me”
i facepalmed sooooo hard
Also doesn’t know how to win.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
Montero and Cano for Felix!
"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."
That’s not immediately terrible. I mean, the Yankees would have to add 3 or 4 more guys, but that’s a good starting point.
I think by Cano he actually meant Swisher.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
yeah, I don’t think the Yankees could actually trade Cano at this point. Just too good for an organization that’s all about winning in the present.
Montero + Granderson + (B prospect?) might work though. I’m not familiar enough with the Yankees system to know for sure what else they’d have available to give up.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Dec 14, 2010 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
While you can debate the value
I think it makes the Yankees worse. They need a rebuild of the rotation. LOL just spent bazillions two years ago on teh rotation now it is shoddy.
"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."
well, they’ll get Petitte back. CC + Petitte + Hughes isn’t a terrible start to a rotation… but given the division they play in and the franchise’s expectations they certainly need to get better. I’m not convinced they need a true ace though.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Dec 14, 2010 3:09 PM PST up reply actions
He’s not retiring?
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
Not expected to, this year anyway.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 14, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
You want an epic rotation
JUST WAIT UNTIL ZACH WHEELER IS CALLED UP
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
More like “JUST WAIT UNTIL ZITO REGAINS 2002 AL CY YOUNG FORM”.
"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat
ANY DAY NOW
THE THING IS, IT HAPPENED - 11/1/10
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Dec 14, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
I hear that kid really brings the heat.
Placeholder.
by howtheyscored on Dec 14, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
Remember how, at first, they introduced Linka as being from “The Soviet Union”, and then later they changed to “Eastern Europe”? Trying to figure out why they did that was what taught me about the Berlin Wall.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
This headline is way to awesome.
"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."
So, aside from Lidge...
What’s the Phillie’s bullpen situation look like?
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
How quickly you forget
they have Badass Ryan Madson… and Jose Contreras, even at 63 years old, is still pretty good.
Six Roy Oswalts and Brad Lidge.
I had some other text here but then the San Francisco Giants won the World Series
by GiantBrass on Dec 14, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 11 recs
I love the timing of the loop, it’s almost as if there is a constant stream of smiling Oswalts in the background
Kruk: "and the Giants, the San Francisco Giants…"
Kuip: "They got one…"
Kruk: "World Champs."
- November 1, 2010
It is truly magical
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
As long as CH2O throw
"You think someone that big would be more well endowed" Aubrey Huff's mother on Pat Burrell
I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
Follow me: Twitter.com/gobroks
by Gobroks on Dec 14, 2010 7:19 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
CGs every game they'll be fine
"You think someone that big would be more well endowed" Aubrey Huff's mother on Pat Burrell
I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
Follow me: Twitter.com/gobroks
by Gobroks on Dec 14, 2010 7:20 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
That's what I was thinking...
And they won’t…so I think our staff as a whole still wins.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
NY Post wins!
Phils should trade for Mets’ Matt Harvey. Future 2-3-4 of Lee Harvey Oswalt
The thing is, it happened.
by Yoyo on Dec 14, 2010 1:52 PM PST reply actions 6 recs
(Adam) Kennedy won't like facing that trio
He’ll get blown away
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
by ToddCommish on Dec 14, 2010 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
“And he fouls it back and to the left…”
Look out. I'm having a thought.
by waelwulf on Dec 14, 2010 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
When they play on the road in Houston, they’d pitch from the grassy knoll in center field.
"What’s that, Buster? You asked for a bicycle? Well, sorry. Santa brought butt floss instead."
by thebighead on Dec 14, 2010 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
except that was Dallas
same state though
# 24
by tinkerstoeverstochance on Dec 14, 2010 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
Sanchez
With runners in scoring position, he held hitters to a .194 batting average. That’s great. It’s also something that might not be sustainable.
Really? His overall BAA in 2010 was .204 and he’s lowered it four consecutive season. If there’s one thing about Sanchez that’s sustainable, it’s that he’s really hard to hit.
The thong is, it happened.
I wonder why. It looks like a fluke because nothing else about him seems to be improving. You’d think that his strikeouts would go up, or his homerun rates would go down. Could it just be a product of an improving Giants defense?
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Four years of consecutive improving luck?
At what point do you think he’s good at getting people to make outs when they make contact?
The thong is, it happened.
i think it's because of the Field of Dreams thing
it’s either going to be low and away or in their ear. so they’re kind of distracted. when he does throw strikes people are just happy they didn’t get knocked out so they don’t swing with much authority
Ignoring Tim Mccarver since 2002.
I disagree with you...
only because I believe causality is an illusion enforced by the human mind attempting to understand the world it inhabits.
I had some other text here but then the San Francisco Giants won the World Series
by GiantBrass on Dec 14, 2010 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
but the Giants are World Series Champs
so in the random illusory universe, any pleasure you get from the greatest team in baseball is counterfeit. So smoke that.
# 24
by tinkerstoeverstochance on Dec 14, 2010 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
Finally, someone who understands me!
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on Dec 14, 2010 11:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I know
But if his career BABIP is average, what reason is there to think he’s good at getting people to make outs when they make contact?
Because his BABIP is average, and his K/9 is well above average
Which means that fewer balls are put into play. If he can lower his BB/9 to league average, he will be a topline starter.
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
That's the problem
Isn’t it
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
But there is evidence that pitchers can do that
Whether he will be one to do it remains to be seen.
I LOVE YOU BASEBALL GODS!!!!!
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
But if his career BABIP is average, what reason is there to think he’s good at getting people to make outs when they make contact?
There is no reason.
But we also know he’s pretty good at getting people to MISS the ball
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
Yes
But if his career BABIP is average, what reason is there to think he’s good at getting people to make outs when they make contact?
look at the improvement
average, of course, would miss a statistically significant trend, since it reduces multiple data points to a single number.
# 24
by tinkerstoeverstochance on Dec 14, 2010 11:09 PM PST up reply actions
Heh. What you call “a single number” others call “statistically significant.” Microsplits are often misleading because they are not large enough sample sizes to be signficant; this is the problem here.
You have a wealth of evidence to suggest that Sanchez should be league average by BABIP (namely his entire career). What’s more likely—that Sanchez is significantly better than league average (1 year, the most recent one, roughly 30% of the data) or that he is more or less league average (3+ years, which comprises all the data)?
no
an average will miss a trend. That’s why there are x/y plots.
I shouldn’t have used the term “single number”, I should have said “static”
Plus, I haven’t done it yet, but it would be interesting to plot Dirty’s leverage index performance over the past few years.
# 24
by tinkerstoeverstochance on Dec 15, 2010 12:12 AM PST up reply actions
Am I missing something?
You said “at what point do you think he’s good at getting people to make outs when they make contact?”.
The discussion is on whether or not he’s good at getting people to make outs when they make contact. His strikeouts are not relevant to that.
The conversation began with Grant's point that his BAA with RISP was unsustainable
I pointed out that it wasn’t much higher than his overall BAA, which had dropped four consecutive years
You said that was because of a lower BABIP this year than his career
I’m asking you to explain how one year of low BABIPmakes four consecutive years of lowering BAA/OBP/SLG “luck”
The thong is, it happened.
For what it’s worth, starting with 2007 his BABIP has gotten lower each year (as has his LD%). That quite possibly explains the decrease in the trend in BAA/OBP/SLG. The problem is that it’s really difficult to predict whether that’s random chance or something that Sanchez is able to control.
one would think that with 4 years of data on your hands, any realm of SSS would be out of the picture.
If 4 years of numbers arent enough to determine anything, what is?
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 15, 2010 1:43 AM PST up reply actions
one would think that with 4 years of data on your hands, any realm of SSS would be out of the picture.
But that’s exactly the point – 4 years are probably enough, and in 4 years, his BABIP is average.
Let's see
Of pitchers with at least 500 IP in the past 5 years, the ten best in BABIP are Young, Maine, Harden, Cain, Wakefield, Guthrie, Zambrano, Zito, Lilly, and Marcum.
Their average LD% over that period: 18.7%.
The mean over that time period was 19.5%.
So yeah, they did better, but it looks like the difference between good and average is so small that it’s almost impossible to tell based on a single season.
If we do the opposite:
Of pitchers with at least 500 IP in the past 5 years, the ten best in LD% are Carmona, Lowe, Hernandez, Wakefield, Hudson, Johnson, Jimenez, Marquis, and Guthrie.
Their average BABIP over that time period: .288.
The mean over that time period was .304.
Their career BABIP is .292, closer to the mean.
There’s a clear connection, but it looks like even if you’re elite at not allowing LD%, it only saves you 10-15 points of BABIP.
Right. And the problem is that this so-called “trend” really only consists of one significant outlier, which would be this year. Which is probably not predictive.
I think the question of the “trend” is obscuring the issue a little bit. Comparing the Sanchez of 2009-10 to the Sanchez of the years before, I see a pitcher with a much improved line-drive rate and a much improved BABIP, a pitcher who’s throwing more innings and relying less on his fastball. That’s across 350 innings, so I think it’s more likely than not that it’s “real,” and I’m content to toss out 2006-08 in appraising him.
Which is not to say that he’s a “true” three runs per game pitcher, as last year’s ERA would indicate. I’d put him in the high 3’s, maybe 4.
4 is essentially his career FIP, though, so tossing out 2006-2008 doesn’t actually make that much difference. That’s basically the point.
He lowered his BABIP for 3 consecutive years – it was extreeemely high in 2007 (which was just 50 innings, for the record), high in 2008, averageish in 2009, and very low last year.
Part of it is our improving defense, and part of it was luck.
Actually, between 2006 and 2007 his BAA/OBP/SLG (and BABIP) all went way UP, not down, so it’s only 3 years of consecutive improvement, not 4.
Yes, it looks like a trend, but no, it’s not really meaningful (except the part about our defense, obviously). Here are Cain’s BABIPs in his first 4 years in the majors:
.166
.279
.284
.304
Just as clear a trend (but in the wrong direction), over the same number of years. From insanely low to very low to slightly higher to average. His BABIP in the two years since then: .268 and .260.
Defense aside, BABIP trends don’t mean much. Sanchez is a good pitcher, but it’s not because of his BABIP.
And just so we're clear
I think when some people read me saying that he hasn’t improved that much in the past 3 years, it looks like I’m saying he’s still the crappy pitcher he was in 2008, only a bit luckier, which is, understandably, annoying to hear. But my point is that he never was a crappy pitcher. He’s been pretty good since 2008, it’s just that the results didn’t always look good.
I think we’ll be discussing Jonathan Sanchez like this as long as he’s a Giant.
He’s never as good as he looks when he’s good, and he’s never as bad as he looks when he’s bad. He’ like having the entire stock market play for your team.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
I disagree with "nothing else about him seems to be improving"
I saw a lot more discipline and focus out there this year. Where in the past an error or some bad luck would have distracted him and taken him out of his game, he now seems much better at shaking these things off.
I also saw a lot better control and the ability to be able to get back into the strike zone when he loses it.
+1
I haven’t done the research myself, but I’ve gotten the impression from people here that his peripheral stats haven’t actually improved much. But I don’t understand how anyone who’s actually been watching him can see he hasn’t improved. He keeps his focus, he’s more consistent, he doesn’t melt down.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
I don’t understand how anyone who’s actually been watching him can see he hasn’t improved
Because they are using his stats to make that judgment rather than their intuition.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 14, 2010 6:37 PM PST up reply actions
How is knowing that JSanchez doesn’t melt down as often the instant here’s a runner on base intuition? Its just observation. I’m not trying to be all anti-stats here, and I realize stats are valuable…but they aren’t so valuable I’m going to use them to totally discount what I’ve been seeing with my eyes.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
If he melts down less with runners on base, that will show up in his numbers – and then people will argue whether or not his strand rate is sustainable. I personally feel like he has matured, but until his improvement is measurable it’s just that – a feeling. I also hope/feel he will improve is command as he ages, but again, I don’t use that feeling as though it were a fact.
While I am no statz evangelist, the truth is that stats can in fact be used to discount what you’ve been seeing with your own eyes. It always pisses me off.
There are people here who can provide great examples of statistical truths that are counter intuitive to someone who relies solely on ‘eyes’, but I am unfortunately not one of them.
In any case, I was just trying to explain why someone would come to that conclusion… that it’s not only understandable, it’s a reasonable position.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 14, 2010 7:05 PM PST up reply actions
Okay…I agree with most of this. I still say that thinking Sanchy has matured is more of an observation than just a feeling, but that’s borderline semantics.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
I think your observation, if true, plays a very significant role in Sanchezs potential as a pitcher. The less he or anyone else is able to reduce personal inference in their development, the more likely they are to succeed. It might not show up in his statistics up to this point because his mental maturity and improved descipline has not yet transfered over to his performance and preparation.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 14, 2010 9:56 PM PST up reply actions
Then I hope its true. I like Sanchez, and I want to see him succeed.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
There is no way I'd trade him
He was an awesome pitcher this year. By WAR and xFIP, he was our #3 pitcher in 2010. He is way above replacement level, people around here act like he’s garbage. Get a grip.
# 24
by tinkerstoeverstochance on Dec 14, 2010 11:14 PM PST up reply actions
I think most people agree that he was good this year…they just think he’s bound to fall off a cliff next year. Personally, I think he’s going to be awesome, and I wouldn’t trade him either.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
I don't think he's garbage at all
But the fact that he’s not garbage makes him attractive trade bait.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
The thing is...
I have yet to see a realistic trade proposal that I like, so I’d rather keep him around. If nothing else, who’s our #5 if we lose Sanchez?
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Barry Zito
According to Eric Holder, Giants Baseball is NOT torture. OK, it is, but followed by a big bowl of ice cream.
Tim Lincecum: He's a biracial angel.
I'm guessing...
That if we lost Sanchez Zito would become #4.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Which leaves us with...
A Todd Wellemeyer option at #5. Which I hate.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
I was just trying
to start a Barry Zito, 5th starter at best meme.
Btw, not advocating trading Sanchez.
According to Eric Holder, Giants Baseball is NOT torture. OK, it is, but followed by a big bowl of ice cream.
Tim Lincecum: He's a biracial angel.
Ah, sorry.
FIFTH STARTER AT BEST!
Better?
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
One thing he has seemed to improve
Both to my eyes and judging by his stats, is his control of the baserunners. It doesn’t make a big difference, but it’s worth a couple of runs.
"better" is a tough term
For instance, I dont think anyone would trade the Giants five starters, as currently controlled and compensated, for the Phillies five starters.
Resources play a huge part in baseball, and without looking up the figures, I’d have to guess that the Phils are paying at least twice as much for their rotation, which is older and only arguably better.
Further, while I agree that Sanchez is a shaky third, his numbers on paper were incredible last year, and I think many of us fully expect Bumgarner to eclipse Sanchez next year.
The media spotlight plays a huge role in the perception of these staffs. Can you imagine the level Timmy would be glorified at if he pitched on the east coast? The only pitcher to evercwin a CY in his first two full seasons…to lead the league in Ks in first three seasons…debuts in playoffs by twirling 14K 2 hitter, beats Halladay, Oswalt and Lee in the clincher? Put through the filter of a fawning media, and no one would compete with the Giants rotation in the media.
Do the same with our other pitchers. For example, how would media treat a 21-year old Yankee LHP who dominated the Rangers in the WS? How would a Red Sox starter who is currently riding a 20-something inning postseason scoreless streak (Cain) look if he got the attention he deserves?
To sum it up, we tend to look at our guys with a more reserved and detatched eye, but to be honest, there is plenty of material to hype, and I wouldn’t begin to trade our five for the Phils’ or anyone elses’ group.
Don't play a dangerous game.
by Hul10 on Dec 14, 2010 1:58 PM PST reply actions 17 recs
Well said.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Can we link to individual posts to email or Tweet? because this needs to be disseminated. Far and wide. In a sustained fan-driven PR campaign.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
i mean individual comments.
Heck, I’m gonna Tumblr this.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
Check out this site
http://fuckyeahmccoveychronicles.tumblr.com/
Yeah, I couldn’t believe there is a “Fuck Yeah McCovey Chronicles” either.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2010/12/14/1876386/why-barry-zito-is-better-than-cliff-lee#54473444
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Howdja do that! awesome
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
The date of the post is a link to the post.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
It’s a link!? But it’s not underlined or blue!
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
The underline only appears when you hover over it..
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 14, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
/starts hovering his pointer over everything
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
Well, it’s better than propellering it over everything I suppose.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 14, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
Is this related to Goofus’ detachable penis?
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 14, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
..
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
UNLESS YOU GOT POWER
Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.
I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog
THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
Nintendo Power
My Photo Blog: http://eyeprints.tumblr.com
SIGN UP :D http://www.swagbucks.com/refer/ch3zyp00fs
I didn't choose to be a Giants fan, I was born into it. November 1, 2010 World Champions.
POLITICAL POWERS
Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.
I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog
THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
SEPARATION OF POWERS
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
MEGA POWERS
My Photo Blog: http://eyeprints.tumblr.com
SIGN UP :D http://www.swagbucks.com/refer/ch3zyp00fs
I didn't choose to be a Giants fan, I was born into it. November 1, 2010 World Champions.
I posted it as a note on FB
tagged with all the names mentioned + SF Giants
# 24
by tinkerstoeverstochance on Dec 14, 2010 11:23 PM PST up reply actions
“better” is a tough term. For instance, I dont think anyone would trade the Giants five starters, as currently controlled and compensated, for the Phillies five starters.
Actually, “better” isn’t a tough term at all. The word you’re looking for is “valuable”. The Giants starters might well be more valuable. But the Phillies are certainly better.
Resources play a huge part in baseball, and without looking up the figures, I’d have to guess that the Phils are paying at least twice as much for their rotation, which is older and only arguably better.
Again, you’re talking about value. Better is a skill judgement, and you can figure out who is better by looking at, you know numbers. Last year, Roy Halladay was better than Tim Lincecum. Cliff Lee was better than Matt Cain. Roy Oswalt was better than Jonathan Sanchez. Cole Hamels was better than Madison Bumgarner. BETTER. They were better.
The Phillies are paying more for their rotation.
The Phillies pay more for their shortstop than we do. That doesn’t mean Jimmy Rollins isn’t better than Miguel Tejada.
Further, while I agree that Sanchez is a shaky third, his numbers on paper were incredible last year, and I think many of us fully expect Bumgarner to eclipse Sanchez next year.
Damn, I was looking at his numbers inscribed on stone. Were they really better on paper? And that’s nice that you expect Bumgarner to eclipse Jonathan. But neither one of them was as good as any one of the Phillies four last year. You know, on the paper you were talking about.
The media spotlight plays a huge role in the perception of these staffs. Can you imagine the level Timmy would be glorified at if he pitched on the east coast? The only pitcher to evercwin a CY in his first two full seasons…to lead the league in Ks in first three seasons…debuts in playoffs by twirling 14K 2 hitter, beats Halladay, Oswalt and Lee in the clincher? Put through the filter of a fawning media, and no one would compete with the Giants rotation in the media.
/wags genitals. I’d like you a lot more if this post didn’t contain yet more whining about how THE MEDIA HATES US!!
Do the same with our other pitchers. For example, how would media treat a 21-year old Yankee LHP who dominated the Rangers in the WS? How would a Red Sox starter who is currently riding a 20-something inning postseason scoreless streak (Cain) look if he got the attention he deserves?
This has nothing to do with anything. Who cares what the media thinks about our pitchers? Our pitchers are very good. Just not as good as the Phillie’s.
To sum it up, we tend to look at our guys with a more reserved and detatched eye,
I don’t think you’re doing that at all!
but to be honest, there is plenty of material to hype, and I wouldn’t begin to trade our five for the Phils’ or anyone elses’ group.
I wouldn’t trade our rotation for theirs either. But that doesn’t mean theirs isn’t better. I wouldn’t trade Cody Ross for Jayson Werth. But Werth is better.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
/slouches into this line
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 14, 2010 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
/wags genitals. I’d like you a lot more if this post didn’t contain yet more whining about how THE MEDIA HATES US!!
Wow, you really like to go after people, don’t you.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
It frustrates me
I watched the Giants win the World Series on national TV. But some people will never be happy until the Giants have a nightly segment on Baseball Tonight extolling our virtues.
That comment was overly mean, however. Hul10, I like you, I promise. Because we’re both Giants fans.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Ah, but that wasn’t his implication, was it? The whole “media hate” thing is tiresome. But he was observing the function of attention as it applies to baseball, and that if Tim Lincecum, with his feats, would have accomplished them in New York, Boston, and/or possibly Philadelphia (Chicago more likely), he’d be a star. That’s not whining, is it? That’s an observation and one I think is readily plausible.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
He’s a star. Seriously. People in other places know who he is and consider him awesome. He has his own ESPN commercial.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 14, 2010 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
it didnt come off as whining to me, just an observation, and a true one at that.
personally i didn’t see Hul10’s post as anything other than some good observations, while played out at times, nevertheless true
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
“it didnt come off as whining to me, just an observation, and a true one at that.”
This. I thought GiantPain’s post was much more whiny than Hul10’s.
"This is a street fight, and we win those." -- BRIAN SABEAN, 10/23/10
by Josh from Hollywood on Dec 14, 2010 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
To say nothing of the fact that after Matt Cain’s first playoff start, all the pundits were acting as if they’d never heard of the guy before and they couldn’t believe what a well-kept secret we were keeping out here on the West Coast. I found it more funny than irritating. It just showed how lazy a lot of national baseball writers are about following more than four or five teams.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
yeah I was gonna say, you kinda ripped apart his post, lol
we all know that he is right in the sense that the Giants pitchers do not get the attention that they deserve from the national media, however.
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
I wouldn’t go that far as to say “deserve”. it’s just reality.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
‘deserve’ wasn’t the right word there, you’re right. no one knows what anyone truly deserves.
certain players that play for certain teams will get more recognition than others, deservedly so or not
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
For example, Joba Chamberlain.
DISCUSS
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
Another example, Clay Buchholz. He’s obviously very good, but man, to hear Red Sox fans discuss him…
THE THING IS, IT HAPPENED - 11/1/10
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Dec 14, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
every teams’ fans is gonna pump up their players. but when national media doesn’t cover all teams equally, call it bias, whatever, some players are just going to get more coverage.
i see this as a good thing- I’d rather keep the players to ourselves, let them all be shocked when Cain throws 20-1/3 scoreless in the playoffs… it just makes them look stupid for not being aware in the first place
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
I think he's gotten the picture at this point...
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Absolutely
And there are myriad people on this board who do it every day.
I, in a fit of frustration which arose for reasons beyond me, was unable to execute this maneuver.
I’ll strive to be less dickish in the future. Many apologies.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Sorry for the flogging
I made this comment, got tired and went to bed without going through the rest of the thread and seeing your apologies. My bad.
The thong is, it happened.
propellering is an exhausting activity.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 15, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
..
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
I never use my genitals to make a point
But I do use them to hammer a point home
/ouch
The thong is, it happened.
was it really necessary to do a point by point rebuttal of this post?
it was hardly a bad post at all and a lot of your disagreements seem to be pretty pedantic (more valuable isn’t the same thing as better? oh, well, thanks.)
this isn’t Fire Joe Morgan.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Don't make me do the Rudy routine.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
The argument room is that way
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
The
Oh, real original way to start a sentence.
argument room
Who says? If I take a dump in a room, that doesn’t make it a bathroom.
is that way
You didn’t even indicate a direction. You’re just ASSUMING that it’s that way, without any evidence.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
shut your festering gob, you tit. Your type makes me puke
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
by RDreamer on Dec 14, 2010 5:07 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Ah yes, you want room 12A, just along the corridor
Stupid git.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
I’ve always been a fan of “MALODOROUS PERVERT!!!” as an insult.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
as have I
But I have no idea what is meant by “coffee-nosed”.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
I believe it is ‘toffee-nosed’, which I assume to be a class insult.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
it is
..and I was wrong about the etymology: it comes from ‘toff’ instead of a backformation via the candy’s color.
interesting
brown-nose means something different here.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
And
although I find a lot of the media whining annoying, I find the opposite side which is insistent that the Giants get the perfect amount of media attention and there is no media bias towards the Yankees/Red Sox/Phillies just as annoying.
No, the media doesn’t hate the Giants and are not out to get us. Tim Lincecum and Buster Posey certainly get plenty of attention. But yes, the Giants do not get the same level of national media hype that the “Big” teams do.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I wonder if the Yankees or Red Sox would still get the same coverage if one of them went in the tank for 5 years or so. I’m pretty sure the Phillies wouldn’t, just like no one really pays attention to the Nats and Orioles.
THE THING IS, IT HAPPENED - 11/1/10
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Dec 14, 2010 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
The Phillies definitely didn’t get much attention when I first started following baseball and they were pretty mediocre.
That said, the Mets stink and they get plenty of attention, so I think the Yankees would too.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
While the Mets aren’t very good, they are pretty interesting, because they’ve managed to be meioucre despite having a ton of great (and very famous) players over the past few years. The 2010 team, for example, only won 79 games, but it did have David Wright, Johan Santana, Jose Reyes, Carlos Beltran, Jason Bay (not that good, but famous), and Francisco Rodriguez.
The Brewers won two more games, but they only have two recognizable names on the team.
I’d probably argue that if the Brewers played in New York, then Corey Hart, Yovani Gallardo and Rickie Weeks would be more recognizable names.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
More recognizable, no doubt
But non of the guys I mentioned are famous just because they play for the Mets – Reyes and Wright are absolute stars, and would be famous anywhere, Santana won 2 Cy Young with the Twins and is one of the best pitcher of the past 10 years, Beltran in an arguable Hall of Famers, and Rodriguez was huuuuge when he was with the Angels. Bay isn’t on the same level, but he was also famous before he signed with Mets.
Cory Hart isn’t that good, and Weeks isn’t the type of player that gets much attention from the media (great year this year, but he was hitting .250 with meh power before). Gallardo is good, but he’s new, and doesn’t have a shiny ERA. These guys are not comparable to the players I named (except Bay)
Good points, all.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I have the reverse-NY-bias, in which I assume whoever is a star in New York is just being hyped. This affected me when thinking about Phil Hughes.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
Hughes is good, but not quite as good as he’s hyped up to be.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
He certainly is but some comments that were made about him in the past (coughcyyoungintheNLcough) were ridiculous.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I think it was Dave Cameron.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Here we go
A lot of the "why isn’t this guy on the list?" questions came from fans of National League teams with good-but-not-great young pitchers. Yovanni Gallardo, Adam Wainwright, Matt Cain, and Jordan Zimmermann are all valuable assets, but trying to make an argument for them based on their non-league adjusted numbers simply doesn’t work. Put simply, the National League is vastly inferior to the AL right now, and the lack of a DH allows for pitchers who pitch in the senior circuit to post superficially better numbers than their AL peers. Simply put, you stick a guy like Chamberlain in the NL, and he’d look like Cy Young. Sorry, NL fans, but your pitchers aren’t as good as you think.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2009-mlb-trade-value-recap/
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
lol Adam Wainwright is good but not great
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
No Cy Young Awards!
Mr. F! | comics | art | New Nattowear | Unofficial McImage Directory | Confused? Check the McWiki
And he calls himself a pitcher.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
PLLLLLTTTHHHPPPPTTTT
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
and obviously
Joba has become a very good reliever, but the best relievers usually aren’t as valuable as “good-but-not-great” starting pitchers.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
He has?
He wasn’t good at all the last two years.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
His ERA wasn’t good last year, but his FIP was 2.98.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
OH SO YOU HATE MATT CAIN THAT'S COOL
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
by Alex_Lewis on Dec 14, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
HOW IS THE WEATHER IN HATE TOWN
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
by Alex_Lewis on Dec 14, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HATE MATT CAIN
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
by Alex_Lewis on Dec 14, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
KITTENS ARE STRANGLED AS THEY EXIT THE WOMB
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
by Alex_Lewis on Dec 14, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
THERE'S AN AUTOMATIC STRANGLING MACHINE AND EVERYTHING
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
by Alex_Lewis on Dec 14, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
AND SINCE YOU HATE MATT CAIN CONSTANTLY THIS IS ALWAYS HAPPENING
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
by Alex_Lewis on Dec 14, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
MUST BE PRETTY PROUD
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
by Alex_Lewis on Dec 14, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, he’s making a point about the NL, not about Joba.
But that is a very odd comment. At the peak of the AL/NL talent gap, it was about .50 points of ERA. Joba had a ~4.00 ERA when he wrote that.
I’d say it’s more like an insult to Matt Cain, Yovani Gallardo, Jordan Zimmermann and Adam Wainwright, all of whom I think are much better than he’s giving them credit for there, NL or no.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
lol, what has Matt Cain ever done?
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I’m not necessarily saying they should have been on the list
(Though I think Wainwright probably should have been. And, hey, what do you know, a year after he wasn’t as good as Joba Chamberlain, he was all the way up to 18th on the list…)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I mean
Wainwright didn’t even make the list of HMs. At the time, he had another year left at league minimum before entering arbitration.
But Javier Vazquez, a year and a half away from FA and making over $10 million a year did? WTF?
(Hilariously, he ended up being traded – along with some other pieces – for Melky Cabrera. I have to think the Cards would have fetched more than that if they’d traded Wainwright last offseason…)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
wait, actually I got Wainwright's contract wrong
Still, he was signed for $4.65M in 2010, $6.5M in 2011, had a $9M club option for 2012 and a $12M club option for 2013.
I imagine that, in addition to his production, is more valuable than a year and a half of Javier Vazquez at $11-12 million per year.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Well, yeah, hindsight is nice, isn't it?
Back when that was written, Wainwright was a 27 year old with a ~3.40 career ERA in the NL.
Joba was 23 year old, had a ~3.20 career ERA (between the bullpen and the rotation) in the AL, and was a year removed from posting a 13.8 K/9 in the minors, and being named the 3rd best prospect in the country by BA. He was also under control for more years, and making the major league minimum.
I’m not interested in arguing Wainwright vs Joba. I just think he ought to have made the list.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
And before you point out the one comment I made, my real point was just that Wainwright, based on his contract and his talent, ought to have made the list if people like Josh Beckett (who, at the time, was signed for only the rest of 09 and had a $12 million option for 2010) and Javier Vazquez did.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Am I missing something, or is the “lack of a DH” argument just offensively stupid?
Look out. I'm having a thought.
Not that it makes any difference at all, but that it somehow proves that NL pitching is inferior.
Look out. I'm having a thought.
no
he meant that the no-DH league is easier on pitchers if you don’t normalize the stats. So a 4.00 raw ERA (or FIP, whatever) in the NL is easier than the same numbers in the AL.
The strength of league is a FURTHER hit on that.
Brian Sabean: Sing His Praises To The Heavens!
-------
PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game that seems to have resurrected itself in my absence...
Not missing something.
A good pitcher is a good pitcher. The AL needs to get the hell over it.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
for quality of hitter faced
It makes a big difference, especially when an pitcher is not in the same division as the Mariners.
I don’t have numbers handy but It’s as if Jonathan Sanchez gets to pitch against 2010 Rajai Davis all season while David Price faces 2010 Jose Reyes.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
But that just means, at worst, slightly inflated stats; whether it means a lesser pitcher is inscrutable.
Look out. I'm having a thought.
you might not believe this, but getting worse hitters out is pretty reliably easier than getting better ones out.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
Even if pitching well in the NL is easier than in the AL, it doesn’t necessarily follow that NL pitching is worse than its AL counterpart.
Yes, one’s stats are a product of the hitters he faces, but his talent and skill level are not.
Look out. I'm having a thought.
Couldn’t it be argued that competing against better competition would improve a player’s skill?
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 14, 2010 7:06 PM PST up reply actions
It would create a demand for a higher level of performance, yes. But just because the competition isn’t as strong doesn’t mean a pitcher isn’t as good.
If Nigel Short were to spend the next five years playing in Yahoo! Chess, it doesn’t mean he’d any worse; it just means his stats would be inflated.
Look out. I'm having a thought.
My question is this: Say you duplicated him. If you had one copy spend five years playing Yahoo chess and the other copy spend those same five years challenged by strong competitors would the second copy have a skill advantage at the end of those five years?
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 14, 2010 7:19 PM PST up reply actions
if two guys post the same ERA (or whatever measure you put forward) but one does it against superior hitting, I’ll take that as evidence that the guy who got tougher hitters out has superior skills.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
I already ceded that pitching against worse hitting would result in relatively higher stats, so yes, with an ERA constant, the pitcher facing tougher opponents would presumably be the better pitcher.
Look out. I'm having a thought.
good
you agree with people who believe that the AL has superior pitching, then. As any reasonable person would.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
No, I really don't.
Because I haven’t generalized from our hypothetical instance to the entire league.
That would be faulty inductive reasoning.
And to apply that generalization to individual pitchers (which I’m not saying you’ve done) would be similarly flawed.
I’m not looking to “win”. I just hope I’m not being misunderstood.
Look out. I'm having a thought.
well
I’m not really looking to win here either. I’m just trying to guide you towards understanding why certain people think the way they do about this.
Our hypothetical pitchers, by the way, are the two leagues. Runs per game is only incrementally higher in the AL despite the fact that no pitchers hit in that league.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
Okay.
I just think that a broad supposition that AL pitching is superior relies on premises that aren’t necessarily given. But then again, I’m not exactly drawing on a total set of data. Also, this has been the most exciting part of my day.
Look out. I'm having a thought.
Also
I think part of the reason why the Mets are interesting is that (beyond the good players), they are such a trainwreck.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
It is going to be very entertaining watching them slash and burn their way back.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 14, 2010 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
yeah
The Yankees, Dallas Cowboys, Notre Dame football, and the LA Lakers are pretty much always going to get tons of attention no matter how bad they are for how long. Not really fair, but just the way it is.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Dec 14, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
Back when I was a kid and the Yankees sucked, I don’t remember them getting that much attention. But things would probably be different now.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
Perhaps...
though this is impossible to look at in a ‘historical’ sense since the volume & impact of sports media in general has been expanding like a linebacker on steroids year after year after year…..
I mean, the Yanks will have their own channel on television no matter how well or poorly they play.
Put that in your 1981 pipe and smoke it….no you, in particular…just hard to imagine.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 14, 2010 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
The only thing that bugs me more that the anti-media whiners are the anti-anti-media whiners
"I dont always hit home runs, but when I do, I prefer World Series winning home runs"
Shut up, you anti-anti-media-whiners whiner.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
Listen, my team won the World Series
so I get to whine about anything I want to!
by mrs. owlcroft on Dec 14, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think there’s a bias towards the Phillies in the sense that it’s unreasonable and historically pervasive, like that towards … eh … Boston? (Much as I hate the Yankees for the attitude of “ALL UR STAR IS OURS”, which Lee’s decision goes a certain length towards undoing, by the way — the Yankees do deserve almost all the attention they get.) The Phillies weren’t a big deal nationally until recently. They’re a major player now with two pennants and a championship in the last three years and they should get attention.
Now if the Dodgers get a lot of fawning attention just because they play in the 2nd largest city in the country (as if LA weren’t a Lakers town when it even cares about sports, Tim Marchman) …
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
Yeah, bias toward the Phillies is probably over-stating it. They have begun to get more (probably deserved) hype though. Red Sox and Yankees still dominate a lot of the national talk though.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Personally it’s the Boston-New York rivalry that’s probably overhyped. Ever since 2004 (eh, maybe with their ALCS battles before that) it’s been billed as Something You Have To Care About even if it’s not been particularly compelling.
Now, 2004 was awesome, and I loved it. But April 2010, I wasn’t feeling that series.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
Agreed completely. Honestly, once the Red Sox finally won and once they started spending obscene amounts of money, it lost that “compelling” factor. It’s interesting in that it’s good team vs good team, but not any more so than a Yankees/Rays or, hell, Giants/Phillies matchup is.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Well it’s akin to that great new song on the radio with a totally new and intriguing sound that GETS OLD by the 109,000,000th time it’s played!
Holiday, oh, holiday, and the best one of the year
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
Oh gawd! Shuddup you!!! I get that, and the stupid theme to Big Bang Theory stuck in my head on a regular basis. At least I know what the second one is though… I’ve no idea what the holiday song is advertising, it’s either a beer, a jewelry store, or a car company. Ineffective advertising is ineffective.
Honda AND Tommy Hilfiger both acquired that song for their seasonal ads, running at the same time.
I blame Vampire Weekend. for so many things.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
In my experience, the only solution to the ever-repeating interior chorus is to sing the song to someone else. Once expelled, it gets stuck in their head, but you are free.
Moral dilemma: If true, is this fair to inflict upon loved ones? Or is it their duty to assist you in such things, so long as you do something for them in return? Discuss.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
when you get alot of media hype, its because you are winning. Coming out of nowhere like the Giants did, and winning a World Series this year (they were in 4th place in July), it’s not gonna get them the level of attention that teams who have spent the last 2-4 years consistently winning are getting.
Nature of the business.
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
I think the point is that if the national media did pay more attention to things that happen outside of Yankee/Red Sox land, it wouldn’t be so shocking when a team like the Giants or Rangers plays well.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
You want the national media to leave the cozy confines of the East Coast and TRAVEL? Out here? Their stagecoach might get held up!
IN THE WILD WILD WEST!!
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
Or it’s because a team is buttressed by a large, perennially fervent fan base that comprises a sound market no matter how well or poorly the team is performing.
Look out. I'm having a thought.
Joe Morgan is already fired man, mercy.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
jinx
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
NBC 4 WELCOME HALL OF FAMER JOE MORGAN TO ITS GIANTS BROADCASTS
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
How dare you!
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 14, 2010 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
[Raj Matthai tries to banter with Joe Morgan, who ignores him]
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
Joe Morgan dismisses OPS
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 14, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
LOL NBC 4
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
oops lol 90s flashback
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
It baffles me that KRON is still independent, what with its great number.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
KRON was NBC when NBC was great, at least in my memory.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
KRON lost their affiliation with NBC, not their FCC license…
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 14, 2010 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
This comment kind of confuses me. Did I imply otherwise somewhere?
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Why would the station have anything other than the channel it has always had? It was channel 4 when it was an NBC affiliate and it’s channel 4 now.
Or are you confused that some other network hasn’t swooped in to get an affiliation deal with them? What about their channel number makes it baffling for them to be independent?
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 14, 2010 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
That it’s a good number, and so one would assume that some network would want to affiliate with KRON.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
that there might be some olde tyme thinking… Now with cable and satellite and whatnot a tv station’s call number and “dial” – button – number are rarely ever the same. Back in the over the air days, yes, lower numbers were better cuz VHF is better than UHF!
I’d think that lower numbers are still preferable for aesthetic appeal. I can’t imagine CBS likes that its Detroit affiliate is Channel 62.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
That might be what KRON thought… right before NBC yanked their affiliation.
I have to admit it does seem strange.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 14, 2010 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
It’s even truer on cable/sat with all the channels. I recall an Economist article not long ago that mentioned that and the jockeying that networks do to try to get lower channel numbers.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 14, 2010 5:28 PM PST up reply actions
Fact
FCC would issues no #1 channel so that said channel might claim it’s #1. Science and caring government always wise and prevails.
Counter point.
Your opinion can go to hell.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
No rec today
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
If I've lost SFGuy, I've lost America
5$ for the person who knows the origin of that.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Kentucky
Abraham Lincoln
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
emphasis on Pain
Pause to catch your breath
# 24
by tinkerstoeverstochance on Dec 14, 2010 11:27 PM PST up reply actions
it's cool
I don’t come on here all that often, so when I came back and saw that a bunch of people had read my comment I was surprised, and I was actually feeling real good that so many people liked it…then I saw what you wrote and the vitriol/anger was just dripping from your writing…although one would think that 15 recs or whatever would outweigh one negative comment, yours was so specific, so personal, it just made me logoff the site – in a bad mood. I would say that I don’t understand why you were so upset, but actually I think I’ve done similar stuff at some point as well.
And seriously, “better” actually IS the word I was looking for, and I wasn’t whining about lack of coverage, it’s just a fact that East Coast teams and the players that enter their gravitational pull are magnified. Or do you not follow Tom Verducci, Rob Neyer, Keith Law and Jayson Stark on Twitter :)? #TheDecision #Themysteryteam #RoyHalladayOKwithCliffLeeGettingMoreThanThreeYears #bestrotationever
Oh yeah, and in case you weren’t asking rhetorically, here’s an answer to each of your points. I’ll save you the bold-face routine :)
1. “Better” is the exact term I was looking for. The title of Grant’s original post. Fifth word.
2. You make some blanket statements, stating that each Philly was better than the respective Giant. But all of this is subjective. For instance, we saw all of these guys face each other in the playoffs, and it was pretty clear who was better as a staff at that point. Short sample size and all….but if you want to take a wider view, Lincecum has probably been better then Halladay over the last three years, Cain is right there with Cliff Lee over the last three seasons, and Bumgarner doesnt have a track record, but I don’t think it’s crazy to suppose that he will approach Hamel’s output in 2011. The point is you just kinda shot me down as if the words you were saying were so self-evident that they required no further sourcing.
3. I brought up the fact that the Phillies were paying twice as much or more for their rotation because salaries and control are part of any real-world evaluation of talent. So yes, Rollins gets paid more then Tejada, and he is better. The evaluation is in the degree of difference. If our rotation is younger and arguably better/equal, AND are under team control for a substantially less amount of money, that seemed to me like a logical argument for why the SF rotation was better – as in a better asset for a team.
4. I didnt say anything about the media hating the Giants. I offered my opinions – and I stand by them as opinions – but this is a team forum. I thought that offering opinions was kinda what we do here. Your opinion that the Phillies rotation is clearly better is definitely a viable position as well, and one that I can respect. And when I was writing the post, I really wasnt think about whether some guy named “GiantPain” would “like” me better or wag his genitals (WTF man?) or whatever if I had not referenced the media. I wasnt thinking about you at all. I was thinking about my favorite baseball team.
5. My post was about how the media perceives pitchers. I care about the media, because I work in it, and I care about our pitchers, because I’m a Giants fan. This topic interests me. Which is why I wrote about it. That’s all.
6. I do think that the fans who participate in MCC are very self aware and critical of Giants players and their flaws. I still think that this forum, as a whole, has a very reserved and detatched eye compared to other team forums that I read across all sports.
It’s all good, and thanks for the apology.
The only thing I would add is that as someone who has been a member and reader of this site for three plus years – and as someone who is pretty thickskinned and confident in my writing – I still think twice before posting because I am sure that someone is going to perform sarcastic surgery on any thought that I offer to the conversation. It makes me wonder how many people read this site but are reticent to take part because they quite simply don’t want their every word to be PUT IN BOLD and then ridiculed out of context.
Again, it’s all good, and if you need someone to pick on, you can always dig up one of my comments and have at it – I can take it. Although I might call you a douchebag again – which is kinda a backhanded term of endearment anyway.
Go Giants. And sorry for the typos, I’m writing this on the phone.
Don't play a dangerous game.
by Hul10 on Dec 15, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
its over and done with now, no need to rebut his rebuttal.
he’s sorry, and it’s all good
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 15, 2010 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
Go Giants.
On this we can all agree!!
And sorry for the typos, I’m writing this on the phone.
Whoa.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 15, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
WHERE IS CIVILITY ON THE INTERNET?!?!?
Let’s talk about Barack Obama and Luke Scott.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on Dec 15, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
Better can still be a tough term
Better in 2011? Better position over next 3-5 years? Better in last 5 years? Better over their careers?
co-dad w/AfDC of
Ishikawa, the Topps Rookie All Star Team's First baseman. Does he get a chance in 2010?
"Because I don’t know what it means anymore, in the PCL. It’s almost like years ago."
"That’s not to say Buster isn’t fully committed or all-in. He is. He’s smart and he’s got the advance reports. Anybody who said he’s not ready to catch in the big leagues is crazy because he’s a pretty good catcher, especially throwing." - Sabean 7/11/10
I'd keep our rotation over the Phillies too
But if you’re talking about whose rotation will most likely be better than the other’s for the 2011 season, then the Phillies have the edge there and it’s not even close. Not. Even. Close.
Aaron King, please pitch better.
McC Wiki - for all you newcomers out there.
I'm propellering, not wagging
I’m also not sweating the Phillies staff just yet. I’m a “get to the post-season and anything can happen” guy.
I also see lots of guys on that staff who are on the wrong side of 30 and lots of guys on our staff who have yet to fully reach their potential. Not saying the Giants’ rotation is better, but when you factor in bullpens, I think we can hang with them.
The thong is, it happened.
Why?
Uhh... what just happened?
Ask me about my... Machine.
/auto-anti-defenestrates?
by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Dec 14, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
You must have missed Goofus’ performance at the McC Christmas party last year.
Kruk: "and the Giants, the San Francisco Giants…"
Kuip: "They got one…"
Kruk: "World Champs."
- November 1, 2010
sigh
I wish I did. I had nightmares for weeks after that performance.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Pics or it didn't . . .
uh . . . maybe never mind.
by mrs. owlcroft on Dec 14, 2010 6:22 PM PST up reply actions
It’s a penis thing.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 14, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, Lars, I believe
Something about “propellering your penis wildly”
LOL spellcheck wants to change it to “propelling”
/detachable penis
The thong is, it happened.
Watch where you propel that thing!
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 14, 2010 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
About this bullpen thing...
We can argue all day about the potential of our starters versus theirs, age difference, et al.
But if we account for the entirety of both pitching staffs…I’m not sure the Phillies come out ahead.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Yup
As good as the starters were last season, the bullpen pitched about 30% of the innings for the Giants. That’s pretty significant.
The thong is, it happened.
I haven't crunched numbers yet...
But I’m going go ahead and say that I’m pretty sure we still have the best complete pitching staff in the league. Amidst the insanity I think people are forgetting that the pride of the team last year wasn’t just the starters…it was everyone. Romo, Lopez, Wilson, etc.
The Phillies don’t have that. And I don’t care how good H20 + L are…they can’t pitch 162 complete games.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Halladay and Lee come damn close a lot of the time.
Not disputing your point, just sayin’ not sayin’ just sayin’
Close enough, enough of the time to never get burned by the bullpen?
I doubt it. I see your point too, I just don’t think its enough.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
this is a good point
of course, there are no guarantees that our bullpen in 2011 will pitch as well as our bullpen in 2010. I’m confident in Wilson, Romo, and (oddly) Casilla. But as for any of the rest of those guys I have no idea whether they’ll be able to sustain their performances next year.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Dec 14, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
well, in post-2009 offseason we said we shouldnt expect the bullpen in 2010 to pitch like 2009’s did. Now we’re saying that about the 2011 ’pen.
When you have consistent relievers like Romo, Wilson, Lopez, etc you will still have a great bullpen. It’s just guys like Affeldt, that far exceed their career norms, that you don’t expect to hold the lines again.
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
To be fair
The 2010 bullpen wasn’t as good as the 2009 bullpen.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
no, it was not. but relative to what people said it would be like, it sure was good.
How about that stretch in Aug/Sep when the ’pen gave up 3 runs in 52 IP?
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
How do you figure Lopez is consistent?
His performance as a Giant was insane, and exceeded his career average by more than Affeldt’s 2009 exceeded his.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
honestly, i think Lopez exceeded his norms because he was used by SF in the way that he is supposed to be used- as a situational guy who pitches to LH hitters.
who knows what PIT was using him for?
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 6:10 PM PST up reply actions
There's something to that
As a Pirate he had slightly more ABs against RHB than LHB, and averaged over 3 PAs per appearance, so they certainly weren’t using him as a strict LOOGY.
in 2007 he was terrible against lefties and very good against righties. It’s so striking that it almost makes me think the splits got flipped.
His numbers for the Giants this year, though, were off the charts even compared to his career split vs. LHP (.233/.323 /.332 batting-against, 1.81 K/BB). For the Giants he posted a .164/.188/.179 batting-against line with 8.0 K/BB. You can’t expect him to repeat that.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
yes and no. No, I probably can’t expect him to completely repeat that, but yes, I think that what he posted as a Giant is close to his true talent as a situational LOOGY only.
I’d still be happy with around a .200/.230/.250 line though. The walks look like they are gonna be the key- as a Giant, he knows he can’t walk people because anyone can walk a guy, the Giants bring him in to pitch to certain batters, make them make contact. That said, I see him having a great year for the Giants.
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 7:37 PM PST up reply actions
What's funny about this
is that the season will probably come down to one or two games for us decided by an error that kept Panda from grounding into a double play, or some unlikely player hitting a bomb in Denver to knock the Rockies out (or the reverse, and we could miss the playoffs)
And, if we get to the playoffs against the Phils it would be awesome but here’s guessing it’s decided by some weird twist like Cody Ross being the hero, or a player with a torn biceps ripping it up after hardly playing.
Etc.
# 24
by tinkerstoeverstochance on Dec 14, 2010 11:32 PM PST up reply actions
Renteria
While his play may have been unexpected, it’s not a given that the Giants wouldn’t have won the WS without him.
When you win in 5, it’s not like the whole series turned on one play
The thong is, it happened.
OMG
the last half of your first sentence is a triple negative! My head is swimming – what have you done, I’ll never be able to think again!
# 24
by tinkerstoeverstochance on Dec 15, 2010 12:08 AM PST up reply actions
yeah!
But didn’t Oswalt hit a double against us?
# 24
by tinkerstoeverstochance on Dec 14, 2010 11:28 PM PST up reply actions
Lee hit one
That bastard!
Aaron King, please pitch better.
McC Wiki - for all you newcomers out there.
Based on the last 90 days of the season...
Sanchez isn’t the #3 anymore. Bumgarner is.
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
I thought Sanchez was pretty good the last 3 months of the regular season
but i have no stats to fortify
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
by slackersphere17 on Dec 14, 2010 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
Look at his 2nd half splits
The only game I recall going poorly was the game he guaranteed against the Padres
The thong is, it happened.
at the only reason he gave up 2 of the 3 runs in that game was cause Rowand fell on his ass running down a fly ball near the CF track, letting 2 runs score, IIRC
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
Next time Sanchez is pitching well...
opponents should just flip a baseball near his direction…he’ll EXPLODE!!!
It will be really interesting to see how the Giants array their starters next year.
By talent I’d go: Tim, Matt, Jon, Madison, Barry.
But you might have a worn-out pen by the time to you get to Zito. And baseball minds like Boch like to mix up the handedness of the pitchers.
So who will it go: Tim, Jon, Matt, Madison, Zito? Or does it go: Tim, Barry, Matt, Jon, Madison?
In the end it doesn’t matter much, but I like Sanchez and Madison at the end of the rotation, to help them limit their innings and maybe skip a couple of starts depending on the schedule. Actually, it wouldn’t be bad to have some sort of 6th man/swing man to grab a start now and then and cut down on the top-5’s pitches thrown.
co-dad w/AfDC of
Ishikawa, the Topps Rookie All Star Team's First baseman. Does he get a chance in 2010?
"Because I don’t know what it means anymore, in the PCL. It’s almost like years ago."
"That’s not to say Buster isn’t fully committed or all-in. He is. He’s smart and he’s got the advance reports. Anybody who said he’s not ready to catch in the big leagues is crazy because he’s a pretty good catcher, especially throwing." - Sabean 7/11/10
If it goes Tim, Barry, Matt, Jon, Madison, I might kill someone…I do not want to see Zito before the fifth game. I actually think the first order is by far the most likely.
That said, the inning count is a problem. I’m really hoping they’re working with Runzler as a swing-man right now.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Either I have been enchanted by Bumgarner's NLCS clincher or
everyone here is underestimating what this guy could do over a full season with an improved slider and a FB that sits at 93 and touches 95.
I think he could easily be the third best pitcher on the team and give Tim and Matt a run for their money.
Looking at Fangraphs it looks like a lot of his negative metrics correlate with a temporary jump in BABIP.
"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."
by Cody_ransom on Dec 15, 2010 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
I don't disagree...
But I think, at least to start with (and assuming they go right/left/right/left) Sanchez will get the nod. It’ll a) keep the pressure off of MadBum, and c) honor experience/seniority and all that.
I do think that MadBum is going to be very, very, very good though.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
I can’t call him Madison. I’m sorry.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on Dec 15, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
The way I always saw it, the Phillies rotation had maybe the tiniest little edge in terms of the front-line starters, but the Giants won out in terms of the depth of their rotation – the Giants had probably the best 4 and 5 starters out there, combined with excellent 1 and 2 men and a very very good number 3.
Now, that’s obviously not true. There’s just no way that the Giants or anyone else could have a rotation better than the Phillies. This shit is just unheard of.
GIANTS GIANTS GIANTS GIANTS
by J. Frank Parnell on Dec 14, 2010 2:11 PM PST reply actions
This shit is just unheard of?
1971 Baltimore Orioles wave HELLO!! (4 20 game winners)
and the 1972 Athletics had a starting rotation that posted a combined 2.73 ERA..
and the early 90’s Braves rotations were amazing and (other than Maddux) mostly homegrown.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 14, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, the 90s Braves rotation was probably better, but that’s because Greg Maddux is like unto a god amongst pitchers. And I don’t think their fourth starter was as good.
The other two teams a) were 40 years ago and b) pitched in a dramatically different environment. By ERA+ the 2010 Phillies + 2010 Lee are much better than the 72 Athletics.
GIANTS GIANTS GIANTS GIANTS
by J. Frank Parnell on Dec 14, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
re Braves: Steve Avery did a nice job in the 4th spot in ’93 before his arm fell off….but, yes, looking back through some other years…Charlie Liebrandt was not the answer.
It will be interesting to watch the ‘11 Phillies rotation in action to see if they can live up to the hype and deliver a ’historic’ performance like the 90’s Braves, ‘71 Orioles, or ’72 A’s…..and if they manage that in that bandbox – more power to them!
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 14, 2010 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
i keep seeing the ‘71 Orioles brought up, but i’m guessing that was a 4 man rotation? if so, think that would equate to 16-game winners today…
by repeat_in_2011 on Dec 14, 2010 5:03 PM PST up reply actions
Well, comparing our two pitching staffs is pretty pointless when it comes down to a Phillies vs. Giants matchup. Because the better the pitcher, the better the chance our hitters have of beating them. Clayton Richard, Wade LeBlanc, and Jon Garland pitched a lot better against the Giants last year than Halladay, Hamels, Oswalt, or even Lee :)
I remember being very surprised when I found out that Wade LeBlanc isn’t actually that good.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Hahahaha.
Me too.
I had to do a doubletake when I saw his FIP numbers.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Dec 14, 2010 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
The thing is that even after all these years of watching him, I’m still never sure which (as Kruk would say) “between the ears” Jonathan Sanchez will show up. It’s patently unfair to call him a head case, but if things aren’t going his way he gets very frustrated, rattled, loses his cool, and loses his focus. Sometimes it’s obvious from the first pitch; other times he sails through three innings and then hits a speed bump in the fourth that he never recovers from. We’ve all seen it.
So while Jonathan Sanchez when he’s on is a great number three starter and can have ace-like stuff, the trouble comes from his inconsistency. I don’t think you can really say that about either Halladay, Lee, Oswalt or Hamels.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
Increasingly he’s begun to do the opposite, (that is, get off to a bad start and recover later on) which is encouraging.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
True...
But isn’t that the reason why Torres got so much better recently, solving his frustration issues? It also seems to me, that he’s been getting better at dealing with it in the middle of games, seeing as how now he may get rattled, but he doesn’t explode. I think the point is that the dude has so much reachable potential, that it’s a factor when comparing our rotation to other teams.
I had some other text here but then the San Francisco Giants won the World Series
I don't remember hearing about Torres having frustration issues
He mainly got better by completely reworking his swing, taking medication for his ADD, and becoming more selective at the plate.
speaking of his ADHD medication, MLB is starting to have a problem with players who are “diagnosed” as having ADHD, and therefore get, essentially, PED’s- ADHD is treated with a form of amphetamines. Players, according to MLB, have been abusing this loophole (not saying Torres is one of them) in order to get PED’s
I’ll search for the article
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-stimulants120209
here we go. if you type “ADHD MLB players” into google, you’ll get a ton of articles.
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
yep, its supposedly becoming a big issue, Dr cert’d PEDs
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
I thought that meds for ACTUAL ADHD patients didn’t have that performance enhancing effect for the afflicted.
Hey, do you want to know the real, horrifying truth, or do you wanna see me sock a few DINGERS?
"Campeones." - Andres Torres
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Dec 14, 2010 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
Did ya all see the bit on Torres’ movie?
I’m sure it’s a fanshot/post/thing somewhere but I’m busy cutting out 42 gingerbread people and I don’t have time to look…
Willie Mays
used to say that there were just bowls full of pills in the locker room, like candy, they could get anything they wanted and take them with impunity.
Not approving of drugs, but are we going to place a limit on how many cups of coffee or how many guarana pills a player can take X hours before a game or an at-bat or between innings?
# 24
by tinkerstoeverstochance on Dec 14, 2010 11:38 PM PST up reply actions
You can pry my rhino horn from my cold dead hands.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 15, 2010 6:35 AM PST up reply actions
IDK about that last part
Each of the Phantastic Phour, except for maybe Oswalt, have had stretches and even seasons of mediocre, if not down right bad pitching back in the day.
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
by slackersphere17 on Dec 14, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
Isn’t it possible that his delivery is difficult to repeat, leading to periods of wildness? There’s really no evidence that his control problems have anything at all to do with his mental makeup.
THE THING IS, IT HAPPENED - 11/1/10
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Dec 14, 2010 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
didn’t give up an earned run.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
....
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
by slackersphere17 on Dec 14, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
He’s actually been disqualified from contention for that award in order to allow other people a realistic shot at winning.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 14, 2010 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
this one is a life time achievement award
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
by slackersphere17 on Dec 14, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
Neither did Matt Cain
"You think someone that big would be more well endowed" Aubrey Huff's mother on Pat Burrell
I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
Follow me: Twitter.com/gobroks
by Gobroks on Dec 14, 2010 7:26 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Wait, what happened to Cain?
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Dec 14, 2010 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
who?
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
3rd starter at best.
My Photo Blog: http://eyeprints.tumblr.com
SIGN UP :D http://www.swagbucks.com/refer/ch3zyp00fs
I didn't choose to be a Giants fan, I was born into it. November 1, 2010 World Champions.
Instead of comparing rotations
What we should do is compare the Giants’ 2010 World Series Championship to the Phillies’ 2010 World Series Championship.
Edge: Giants
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
by Kitspool on Dec 14, 2010 2:37 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
wrecked
needs cranky-forgot-to-swing-oops-game-over-series-over-Ryan-Howard
if I might humbly suggest.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 14, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
Seconded.
Including the wreck.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Greatest image ever posted on MCC.
"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."
I like it a lot
… rec’d.
If I may make a suggestion, though, I think it’s a bit overcrowded. Maybe it doesn’t need Renteria (creepy Zito of course, must stay).
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Dec 14, 2010 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
IDAWTC
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
by slackersphere17 on Dec 14, 2010 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
Well, Renteria was awesome, but he didn’t really haunt the Phillies… he came alive agains the Rangers. Plus I feel like he detracts from the awesomeness of Cody Ross holding the cross, which is very appropriate for the image and the message it’s trying to send. (By which I mean it’s a Christmas image, but lurking in the background of the image about Jesus’ birth is a reminder of his death. Just like lurking in the background of a Cliff Lee signing for Philadelphia is the realization that they still got pwned by Cody Ross).
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Dec 14, 2010 7:55 PM PST up reply actions
Jesus vs C.Ross
We all know how well that turned out.
by BusterHomerun on Dec 15, 2010 2:14 AM PST up reply actions
oh no
that’s fo real, fo sho
# 24
by tinkerstoeverstochance on Dec 14, 2010 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
Who’s the guy behind baby Cliff Jesus?
"What’s that, Buster? You asked for a bicycle? Well, sorry. Santa brought butt floss instead."
It looks just like Al Michaels from Sunday Night Football.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 14, 2010 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
Well played Mauer
According to Eric Holder, Giants Baseball is NOT torture. OK, it is, but followed by a big bowl of ice cream.
Tim Lincecum: He's a biracial angel.
I want next season to start so fucking bad
"I dont always hit home runs, but when I do, I prefer World Series winning home runs"
fucking bad won’t accelerate opening day, man.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
But I want to come to the ball park!
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I thought the playground is open daily!
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
it would help if I could root for something other than a good draft pick for the 49ers
Pitchers and catchers can’t report soon enough so far as I’m concerned.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Dec 14, 2010 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
Why would they release it now?
It looks awesome, but they could do a better job of timing the release. It’s really amazing what Nike has done to the idea of the athletic “uniform.” It’s not uniform at all.
"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."
I guess that makes lots o cents
"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."
I hate all of Oregon’s ridiculous costumes.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Say what you want about the individual looks
but they have succesfully changed the perception of “uniform.” And it presents a growth opportunity for them in the market. I believe Nike has teh NFL contract in 2011-2012, so brace yourself.
I am generally in favor of traditional unis, like Penn State or what the Giants have now, but when you take it so far that you redefind it and you do it well, you’ve got to recognize that as a success—at least strategically.
"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."
I believe they have it beyond, it just kicks in next year.
"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."
They have successfully worn a wide variety of Halloween costumes.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 14, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
How many different unis do the Ducks have?
Do they have some superstition about never wearing the same one twice?
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
nah, its about Nike. their headquarters are in Oregon, and i believe the Ducks have a deal with Nike to wear new unis as part of a Nike promotion of the new materials and designs.
it’s all a marketing gimmick. but its sick
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
LOLsocks
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Dec 14, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
i think the uniform, socks and all, look sick. the socks go really well with everything else
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
Okay we trade for Blanton...... Hear me out.
To eat Pablo’s food. Someone photoshop Blanton into the Sundae picture.
there was a funny picture of Blanton snoozing in the stands before the playoffs…
by repeat_in_2011 on Dec 14, 2010 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
Cliff Conchran of SI is not impressed
Since the four pitchers we’re dealing with all have a fairly well-established level of performance, I’ll base my projections on their last few seasons. Roy Halladay, for example, has been consistently among the best pitchers in baseball the last three years, so I’ll simply average his last three seasons to get his 2011 projection. Lee’s Cy Young award-winning 2008 campaign was a bit above the level of his last two seasons, which were still excellent, so I’ll base his projection on an average of his last two seasons only. Hamels’ 2008 season, in which he led the Phillies to just their second World Series title, and 2010 season were very similar. Thus, given that he’s just 27, I’m going to toss out his 2009 season as something of a Verducci Effect (and batting-average-on-balls-in-play-inflated) hangover from 2008 and average his 2008 and 2010 seasons, because there’s little reason to expect regression from him at this point in his career.
Oswalt is a bit more of a puzzle. His ERAs the last three years have been 3.54, 4.12, and 2.76. That middle mark owed some to his struggles with a degenerative disk in his back, but the thing about degenerative conditions is that they don’t get better. They can only be managed effectively, as Oswalt did last year. Also, his 2.76 mark this past season owed some to good luck on balls in play, particularly in his two months with the Phillies. Oswalt’s opponents had just a .258 BABIP in 2010 compared to a league average (and Oswalt’s career mark) of around .300. For those reasons, I’ll average those three seasons, but knock a little bit off the resulting SNLVAR.
Besides, the only wins that really matter in the above lines are the wins above replacement in those SNLVAR totals, and the above projections give my projected version of the Phillies’ four aces a total value of 26.6 wins above replacement. By way of comparison the top team SNLVAR total in the majors in 2010 was 25.5 by both the Phillies and Giants, the two NLCS combatants. If the Phillies manage to get anything positive out of the fifth spot in their rotation — which is difficult to project right know given that the Phillies are actively shopping Joe Blanton in an effort to help pay for Lee’s new contract, —they should beat that by a comfortable margin.
As for the historic place of the Phillies 2011 rotation, Baseball Prospectus has only calculated SNLVAR back to 1954, but in those 67 seasons, a total of 26.6 wins above replacement would only get the Phillies up to 71st on the all-time list, tied with the rotation of the 2001 world champion Diamondbacks led by Randy Johnson and Curt Schilling. The most recent rotation to beat that 26.6 SNLVAR by more than a win was the 2005 Astros of Oswalt, Roger Clemens and Andy Pettitte, which came in at 29.6 wins above replacement.
The greatest rotations since 1954, according to SNLVAR, were those of the 1997 Braves and 1966 Dodgers, both of which were worth 33.6 wins above replacement. That shouldn’t come as any great surprise. The Dodgers of 1966 were the last team to feature Sandy Koufax and Don Drysdale and the first to include rookie Don Sutton. That’s three Hall of Famers to match the ’97 Braves trio of Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine, and John Smoltz, all of whom are Cooperstown-bound. Here are the top four pitchers by SNLVAR in those two rotations alongside my projected totals for the 2011 Phillies:
Where the Phillies four fall short is not on the back end, but up top. As great as Halladay is, he has never dominated over a full season the way Koufax or Maddux did, and it would take a season greater than his just-completed Cy Young award-winning campaign, plus an award-worthy season from either Lee or Hamels, to get the 2011 Phillies into the neighborhood of the ‘97 Braves or ’66 Dodgers. Given that Halladay will be 34 in May, that seems unlikely, but it’s no shot against the 2011 Phillies that their top four will be merely great rather than the greatest.
All good commentary,
but what I think people are really saying, even if they aren’t saying it is “This rotation has the most established, veteran big name pitchers I can remember.” And that is probably right only excepting the Maddux/Glavin/Smoltz/Neagle Braves.
"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."
Yes, but it’s asking too much at this point, with this excitement, manipulated or not, for people to take the most prudent view and wait until November 2, 2011, to see who the best rotation was in 2011. :D
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
it would be nice
for Philly if they are historically good, but I’m guessing they’d be willing to settle for winning a world series.
# 24
by tinkerstoeverstochance on Dec 14, 2010 11:45 PM PST up reply actions
Pitching is the most streaky aspect of the game.
One year a guy has got the goods, the next he’s struggling to find the strike zone or he’s lost velocity off his fastball. Injuries also have ways of damaging a pitchers goods. The problem is you don’t know when things like this will happen. If you look at the best NL pitchers in the game 4 to 5 years ago, you’ll see exactly what I’m talking about. Peavy, Carpenter, Webb, Willis, etc. Or how about that WhiteSox staff that won a title, people thought that they would dominate for years but never did. Josh Beckett anyone? Pitching is streaky, that’s all there is to it.
The Phillies starting rotation is a rotation that has avoided these issues for the most part and consistently bring it year after year. This is why they’re are going to be deadly because they are reliable.
The Giants starting rotation is a bit of a mystery to me. Grant is right, you can’t trust Sanchez, he’s too streaky and gets rattled easily. Bumgarner pitched terrific last season, but he has no track record to prove he’s gonna be great next year. Zito can give you about a dozen good starts, so he’s certainly not a guy you can count on for a whole season, especially not in the post. Lincecum has been stellar, but I do worry about his longevity. Cain? He’s a horse, not really too concerned about that guy. This staff can either be phenomenal or start to breakdown, it’s really tough to say, but it is inb no way as good as the Phillies staff is.
thing is, when it gets down to the playoffs, i'd rather have Lincecum start than ANY of the Phils Big 4...
by repeat_in_2011 on Dec 14, 2010 5:16 PM PST up reply actions
Add Cain to that.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Yeah,
SSS but you kind of have to with the 0.000000 ERA and all.
"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."
Needs more zeroes!
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
TWHS
He being Admiral Yamamoto.
According to Eric Holder, Giants Baseball is NOT torture. OK, it is, but followed by a big bowl of ice cream.
Tim Lincecum: He's a biracial angel.
Yankees strike back!
…sign Mark Prior.
I’m suddenly tempted to re-download OOTP and start simming from 2002 on to see what happens if Prior doesn’t get injured.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
LOL
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I thought Prior was out of baseball? or have i fallen in?
Prior+Wood=why the Cubs thought 2002 was their year
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
He hasn’t pitched in the big leagues since August of 2006, but he threw an inning in Oklahoma City last year.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Wood and Prior both blew out their arms, but wasn’t it just Tommy John surgery for both? What’s been keeping Prior back?
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 3:47 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t even know if the Phillies won in the Cliff Lee race.
They lost a 5 WAR player in Werth to gain a 7 WAR player in Lee. Considering their rotation was already damn good, I would have kept Werth over Lee. Needs balance
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 8:06 PM PST up reply actions
This.
They’re rotation is now crazy good, but I think the money could have been better spent on either offense or their bullpen.
But if crazy rich owner says “Oooh! Throw money at that on!” what are you supposed to do?
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
But how good will Brown/Fransisco be? I think you plug back in 2 at least WAR between the two of them taking Werths spot. But maybe I’m overvaluing Brown’s rookie season.
co-dad w/AfDC of
Ishikawa, the Topps Rookie All Star Team's First baseman. Does he get a chance in 2010?
"Because I don’t know what it means anymore, in the PCL. It’s almost like years ago."
"That’s not to say Buster isn’t fully committed or all-in. He is. He’s smart and he’s got the advance reports. Anybody who said he’s not ready to catch in the big leagues is crazy because he’s a pretty good catcher, especially throwing." - Sabean 7/11/10
And the Rangers can't really sign Beltre either
No room with Young and Kinsler. If the Angels sign him, AL West could get interesting.
They’re talking about signing Beltre and moving Young to DH.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I think they would have been better off just signing Dunn to DH.
Why is Young signed to all that money? He’s not that good.
I dunno. Beltre will probably age better than Dunn, and provides a massive defensive upgrade over Young, who is a butcher.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
overreaction to a popular homegrown player
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Heed the warning Giants...Heed the warning.
"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."
I'm sure Young would be fine with that
He’s never complained after being moved off a position he had no business at
"You think someone that big would be more well endowed" Aubrey Huff's mother on Pat Burrell
I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
Follow me: Twitter.com/gobroks
There is something wrong this argument
Lee, the 32-year-old left-hander with a Cy Young Award and string of sterling postseason performances, is back with the team that traded him 364 days ago. His five-year, $120 million deal is worth nearly $30 million less in guaranteed money than the Yankees offered and almost $20 million less than the Texas Rangers’ proposal. Though the $24 million annual salary is higher than the contracts from New York and Texas and a vesting sixth-year option could push the overall package close to their overall value, Lee defied convention by not following the path paved with the most green.
ow, don’t make me read jeff passan
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
Better than Jeff Pearlman….
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Course, that’s a bit like saying “Better than contracting syphilis in the 1800s”.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I don’t know, man.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Old Hoss Radbourn deals with it just fine
"You think someone that big would be more well endowed" Aubrey Huff's mother on Pat Burrell
I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
Follow me: Twitter.com/gobroks
by Gobroks on Dec 14, 2010 7:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I don’t know why, but I read the middle of that first sentence as “sterling post-steroid performances”. Perhaps less coffee would work for me.
by shaggingflyballs on Dec 15, 2010 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
fuck the phillies
fuck the braves
fuck the rangers
and fuck the dodgers
that is all
P.S. The San Francisco Giants won the 2010 World Series
by 49erEmpire on Dec 14, 2010 3:33 PM PST via mobile reply actions 3 recs
well thought out. please, tell us more
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
Heck no. And invite a GiantPain point-for-point takedown?
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
that was gnarly.
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
by fuck
is that like in that George Karlin routine?
“Alright Sheriff, I’m gonna fuck you now…and I’m gonna fuck you good”
“Oh, Mom…yeah, mom, fuck you too…yeah, tell Dad I fuck him too”
# 24
by tinkerstoeverstochance on Dec 14, 2010 11:51 PM PST up reply actions
Oh man
2011 NLCS. Gonna be good.
Lincecum v. Halladay
Cain v. Lee
Bummer v. Oswalt
Sanchez v. Hamels
First I got a stiffy, then I got a pool-penis. Man, that team has a spectacular rotation. Course, we have one thing they don’t…. MATT CAIN.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
ZITO VS. BLANTON
Sucky former A vs. sucky former A
"Campeones." - Andres Torres
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Dec 14, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
The next day to look forward to is February 13th.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces strained obliques
by Giant among Angels on Dec 14, 2010 6:55 PM PST up reply actions
Let's get WAY ahead of ourselves
because the Giants are 2010 World Series Champions. Best team in baseball for another 3.5 months.
# 24
by tinkerstoeverstochance on Dec 14, 2010 11:53 PM PST up reply actions
i think Cain vs. Lee would be the key
Oswalt, Hamels not too scary to me in big game situations.
by repeat_in_2011 on Dec 14, 2010 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
he did it against the Dodgers.
’nuff said?
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 6:41 PM PST up reply actions
I have no idea how a guy with as solid a postseason resume as him has acquired a rep as a wilting nancy-boy.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
goes back to some years before the Phils were good, he and Rollins got into in publically for awhile, Hamels didnt exactly make himself look good there.
least thats the story i heard. or maybe it was Utley in the story, not Hamels. i dunno
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 7:18 PM PST up reply actions
My philly fan friends think he's a little willy
His nickname is ‘Hollywood Hamels’.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Zito should hook him up with his friends
They can be a dynamic lefty duo. Modeling Jeans. Being considered wilty nacy boys because they are handsome. (well Zito has wilted a bit.)
co-dad w/AfDC of
Ishikawa, the Topps Rookie All Star Team's First baseman. Does he get a chance in 2010?
"Because I don’t know what it means anymore, in the PCL. It’s almost like years ago."
"That’s not to say Buster isn’t fully committed or all-in. He is. He’s smart and he’s got the advance reports. Anybody who said he’s not ready to catch in the big leagues is crazy because he’s a pretty good catcher, especially throwing." - Sabean 7/11/10
They also call him cup cakes.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2010 8:14 AM PST up reply actions
wat
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Hey how about we call the Phillies staff the Fantastic Four?
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2010 8:14 AM PST up reply actions
Hey how about we call the Phillies staff the Phantastic Phour?
Phixed.
; )
by Chutley's Impressed by Mac's Speed on Dec 15, 2010 7:11 PM PST up reply actions
The commercials he does out here. Also during the 2009 WS he said something along the lines of “This has been a horrible season for me I can’t wait for next season” and the Philly media took it as a sign that he is weak and not a leader.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2010 8:15 AM PST up reply actions
See: 2009
2010, however, buried that perception.
by Chutley's Impressed by Mac's Speed on Dec 15, 2010 7:10 PM PST up reply actions
I, for one, am glad that Lee didn't go to NY or TEX
he would have set a huge precedent for pitchers getting PAID and since I’m already a little worried about not getting to keep our Timmeh, or Sanchy, or Cain, or Wilson, this is a good thing that he chose his heart over the money.
Either way, the Giants pitchers are getting huge paydays their way soonish- good to see someone, esp like Lee, set a precedent that playing where you are happy still counts
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
And, of course, the amazing Pat Burrell. Setting a precedent for playing where you’re happy, I mean.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
he would have set a huge precedent for pitchers getting PAID
I think that precedent has been set a long time ago and just fortified by Sabathia and even Lee. Dude still got paid. Just for less years.
Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.
I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog
THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
Slightly less overall money, though, no? I know the yearly is higher.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
But the less overall money is tied to the years.
His annual value is really what sets precedents.
Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.
I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog
THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
i think most big name pitchers are going to get either 7 years/140mil or 5 years/115mil
it’s either annual value or overall guaranteed- not many get the highest annual value with the most years too.
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions
OH MAN WHERE ARE WE GONNA COME UP WITH 300-400 MILLION DOLLARS FOR TIM, MATT, AND BUMMY? DOES SABEAN HAVE A RICH UNCLE OR SOMETHING?
"Campeones." - Andres Torres
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Dec 14, 2010 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
I was hoping NY so that they would be tapped out with cc and lee and wouldn’t be able to go after lincecum/cain.
by haroldansivakumar on Dec 14, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
This.
They’re going to desperate for pitching now…
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Which pitchers are in the pipeline over teh next two years?
hmmm….
Mark Buehrle CWS
Chris Carpenter STL *
Aaron Cook COL *
Kyle Davies KC
Zach Duke ARI
Edwin Jackson CWS
Scott Kazmir LAA *
Paul Maholm PIT
Jason Marquis WAS
Gil Meche KC
Scott Olsen PIT *
Roy Oswalt PHI *
Oliver Perez NYM
Joel Pineiro LAA
Wandy Rodriguez HOU
Brian Tallet STL
Tim Wakefield BOS
C.J. Wilson TEX
Hopefully Oswalt hits the market and they go after him and or Wilson. Other than those guys, it’s not all that attractive, I would be surprised if they don’t sign at lest one pitcher next year.
Regardless even if they make some dumb moves, you know Boston or NYM will be ready to drop 150 mil on Tim or 125 mil on Cain. Maybe even Philly again, especially if Oswalts spinal column explodes.
"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."
by Cody_ransom on Dec 15, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
BTW that was only next years FA pitchers.
"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."
by Cody_ransom on Dec 15, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
FUCK THAT NOISE
WE WON THE GODDAMN WORLD SERIES AND THE PHILLIES CAN GO FUCK OFF AND STUFF.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, WORLD CHAMPION SAN FRANCISCO GIANT
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
11/1/10
by bondslegend on Dec 14, 2010 3:55 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
WHY DONT YOU GO FUCK OFF AND STUFF. FUCK :)
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
THAT’S THE BONDSLEGEND I HAVE COME TO KNOW ON THIS SITE! FUCK YEAH!
"A 1-0 Loss is the fault of our pitching staff" Bruce Bochy/Brian Sabean
by Cant_buy_a_run on Dec 14, 2010 8:50 PM PST up reply actions
MCC SPIRIT!
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
third most spirited at best…
"A 1-0 Loss is the fault of our pitching staff" Bruce Bochy/Brian Sabean
by Cant_buy_a_run on Dec 15, 2010 9:48 AM PST up reply actions
So when can we ship Zito and Rowand to the Bronx?
Yanks missed out on Werth, Crawford and Lee after all. 100M must be burning a hole in their pockets.
Just Rowand please
Yeah Zito’s contract sucks, but we really do not have another starter that could produce what he is likely to produce.
Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.
I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog
THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
But with the money the Giants saved in that deal, they could sign Todd Wellemeyer!
"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat
they may even have enough left over for guillen
by haroldansivakumar on Dec 14, 2010 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
Fangraphs
Probability of going on the DL in 2011:
Oswalt – 49.4%
Halladay – 43.5%
Lee – 42.8%
Blanton – 40.4%
Hamels – 31.3%
Sanchez – 38.1%
Zito – 37%
Lincecum – 30.2%
Cain – 30%
Bumgarner – NA
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
Oswalt’s back is that risky? I had no idea.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
he’s got degenerating discs. very serious. Lee had back problems last year too
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 5:02 PM PST up reply actions
Degeneratign discs basically means
he will sometime, in the future and it is impossible to determine when, have a ruptured disc. This will, if he is still playing, put him on the DL for a minimum of two months and more likely 3 or 4 and it has the potential to knock him out longer than that.
"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."
Fusion
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
Isn’t that sort of a career ending procedure? Are there players who have successfully played after fusion?
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 14, 2010 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
Fusion is what keeps you from being in a wheelchair.
baseball is the last thing you think about in a procedure like that
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 6:13 PM PST up reply actions
I have refused fusion surgery myself… my point is that fusion is not a good option for an active player.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 14, 2010 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
Doctor to Oswalt :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_C_fuV9Jtek
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
Johnny Disaster: Active Player
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
by slackersphere17 on Dec 14, 2010 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
how many fucking shirts is this dude wearing? i count 5 total, 4 of them collared with a t-shirt under it all.
thats one way to make yourself look bigger, lol
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 15, 2010 1:51 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It's all about the coolness
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
What the…
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 15, 2010 8:25 AM PST up reply actions
yeah, when that disc ruptures, that may be the end of his career.
they wouldn’t even operate on it last year i think it was because it could have left him unable to even throw a ball ever again
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 6:13 PM PST up reply actions
I have fully recovered from a disc rupture
I am 35 and played basketball daily. I have recently returned to play without pain and with full strength in my legs. However I am way out of shape and limit my movements on the court to the detriment of my performance. While I can play basketball recreationally there is no way I could see myself playing at a competitive let alone professional intensity.
And to say I have fully recovered is not totally accurate because the hole in my disc will never go away, it will always be structurally weak with a potential of re-injury.
"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."
im sorry to hear about that
i dont think Oswalt could even pitch again, ever after the 1-2, maybe more, years of rehabbing his back, if it happened.
good to know you’re feeling alright and can still move around… back stuff is scary
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 6:49 PM PST up reply actions
I am actually very happy that I am pain free
with full strength again. Disc problems not only cause pain but they can limit strength in the lower half.
All that said, Robin Lopez returned to play after a herniated disk last year. He sat out for a couple of months but I was surprised how well he played after coming back. Granted a herniated disk is not a ruptured disk, but the effects, at least while the disc is herniated are esentially the same.
"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."
But Lincecum's mechanics! dey're scuree
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
by slackersphere17 on Dec 14, 2010 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
I likes da list.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
there seem to be an inordinant amount of SFG-related articles over on FanGraphs
even considering they’re WS champs.
by repeat_in_2011 on Dec 14, 2010 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
Lincecum = violent delivery
co-dad w/AfDC of
Ishikawa, the Topps Rookie All Star Team's First baseman. Does he get a chance in 2010?
"Because I don’t know what it means anymore, in the PCL. It’s almost like years ago."
"That’s not to say Buster isn’t fully committed or all-in. He is. He’s smart and he’s got the advance reports. Anybody who said he’s not ready to catch in the big leagues is crazy because he’s a pretty good catcher, especially throwing." - Sabean 7/11/10
I keep hearing McCarver say this in my nightmares!
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
by WilliamVanLandingham on Dec 15, 2010 9:40 AM PST up reply actions
MLB Network giving some love to the Giants rotation
From Mike Matheny and Bill Ripken.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Mike Matheny has to have a soft spot for the Giants. Cain, especially.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
Light TheLetter2 beacon!
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I could make a terrible joke about where Matheny's soft spot is
but even thinking about it makes me feel bad.
Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.
I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog
THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
/fondly reminisces on a terrible Matheny joke I made on MCC once
Good times!
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
Sweet! Out of curiosity since I don’t get MLB Network…what are they saying?
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Don’t automatically say the Phillies have the best rotation in baseball. They were mentioning the Giants staff.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Good to hear.
I for one would like to see the season played out before anyone hands out trophies.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
I think this is the first time I've seen the Giants listed on one of these in the preseason:
"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat
Red Sox nation, mdr
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Even the oceans are for the Phillies!
"Campeones." - Andres Torres
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Dec 14, 2010 4:55 PM PST up reply actions
LOL MONDALE
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
by rotorueter on Dec 14, 2010 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
meh
The Red Sox got more states than Walter Mondale.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
SOCIALIST AMERICA!!!
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
New England: last bastion of… the Green Party???
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Dec 14, 2010 7:58 PM PST up reply actions
MYSTERY TEAM
Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.
I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog
THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
__________nd Athletics
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 15, 2010 6:38 AM PST up reply actions
ESPN always does this. They post a poll the day after something notable happens for a team.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces strained obliques
by Giant among Angels on Dec 14, 2010 6:58 PM PST up reply actions
ESPN Market demand cycle.
1. Tell them to believe our most profitable information
2. Broadcast more of our most profitable information
3. Broadcast analysis of our most profitable information down the most finite minutia
4. Show them that they agree with our most profitable information
5. Return to step 1
"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."
TWSS
"A 1-0 Loss is the fault of our pitching staff" Bruce Bochy/Brian Sabean
by Cant_buy_a_run on Dec 14, 2010 8:52 PM PST up reply actions
So you’re saying there’s a chance?
"A 1-0 Loss is the fault of our pitching staff" Bruce Bochy/Brian Sabean
by Cant_buy_a_run on Dec 14, 2010 8:52 PM PST up reply actions
Phillies will not win the world series in 2011
you heard it here first
by kezargiants on Dec 14, 2010 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
They've got Poseidon on their side
Sound the alarms!
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
by slackersphere17 on Dec 14, 2010 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
Them having Poseidon means that we have Zeus!
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2010 8:17 AM PST up reply actions
Wait
the oceans and seas get a vote?
co-dad w/AfDC of
Ishikawa, the Topps Rookie All Star Team's First baseman. Does he get a chance in 2010?
"Because I don’t know what it means anymore, in the PCL. It’s almost like years ago."
"That’s not to say Buster isn’t fully committed or all-in. He is. He’s smart and he’s got the advance reports. Anybody who said he’s not ready to catch in the big leagues is crazy because he’s a pretty good catcher, especially throwing." - Sabean 7/11/10
You bet your ass they do.
by Chutley's Impressed by Mac's Speed on Dec 15, 2010 7:16 PM PST up reply actions
Wow, the 2003 Cubs are exciting
Corey Patterson! Hee Seop Choi! Matt Clement!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Trade Hee Seop Choi for Derrek Lee. I hear the Marlins are going to fire-sale everyone again.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
my starting LF is currently Tom Goodwin
I’m shopping around.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Tom Goodwin
I forgot about him until I rewatched the 2002 World Series.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
WTF do you mean you won't take Bobby Hill, Matt Bruback and Jose Hernandez for A-Ram and Kenny Lofton!!!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
oh my God Junior Spivey
anyone else remember him?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
The Callix Crabbe of yesteryear!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 14, 2010 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
I was actually surprised to see that he debuted at like 26 and his one good year was at 27. But then, I didn’t know anything back then.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I hit post on this and then cancelled, and I completely expect a double post.
I actually checked before I posted that because I was curious how true it was, and they have like the exact same career slash line (though Spivey did it in a slightly higher run scoring environment, so he gets dinged on OPS+ and actual value for that)
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
that must have been weird for Leon Lee. His top scouting find traded for his son.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
Buster Olney said yesterday that don’t anoint the Phillies rotation as being a lock to win in 2011. He mentioned the 1989 Mets rotation as an example when they had David Cone, Sid Fernadez, Dwight Gooden, Ron Darling, Bob Ojeda and added Frank Viola midseason.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
The 1997 Braves rotation was the late night last night comp, and I don’t see how that’s comforting, considering EDGAR MF RENTERIA’s WORLD CHAMPION FLORIDA MARLINS.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
IF YOU WANNA CROWN THEIR ASS, CROWN ’EM.
"Campeones." - Andres Torres
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Dec 14, 2010 5:30 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah,
I could imagine the entire Phillies’ clubhouse being overtaken by a three-year cocaine party and them never living up to their potential.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 15, 2010 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
OT
Anyone try to purchase “Magic Inside” DVD from Best Buy? None of the Bay Area stores are available for pickup according to the website. For the heck of it, I used random states and it wasn’t available for pickup in New York, Boston, MA nor Little Rock, AR.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Bought it here in Sac last week. There were still about 10 on the shelf at that time. (The one on Arden)
Looks like they are out but the one near sunrise has it.
Citrus Heights CA
6110 Birdcage Centre Ln, Citrus Heights, CA 95610
Birdcage eh? I thought that thing was closed. Or did they just pave it over and build a best buy.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 15, 2010 6:39 AM PST up reply actions
OT - Ugh...finals.
Anyone else still not done? I’m so sick of studying…
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
I'm done
My students have two more days though.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
by jponry on Dec 14, 2010 5:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
So how was your first semester teaching?
I LOVE YOU BASEBALL GODS!!!!!
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
I think it went well!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
How did it make you feel to complete your first semester?
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 14, 2010 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
:)
Hooray!
I LOVE YOU BASEBALL GODS!!!!!
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
rec’d for displaying gruntled teacher status at such an early career point!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 15, 2010 6:40 AM PST up reply actions
Writing a final now. For students! Haha torture comes tomorrow! Tell me about social contracts and the state of nature! And who the f is John C Calhoun!?
co-dad w/AfDC of
Ishikawa, the Topps Rookie All Star Team's First baseman. Does he get a chance in 2010?
"Because I don’t know what it means anymore, in the PCL. It’s almost like years ago."
"That’s not to say Buster isn’t fully committed or all-in. He is. He’s smart and he’s got the advance reports. Anybody who said he’s not ready to catch in the big leagues is crazy because he’s a pretty good catcher, especially throwing." - Sabean 7/11/10
OT
Ted Robinson will be doing baseball again. He will be doing 25 Twins games on radio in 2011.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Neat. I haven’t heard anything from that guy in while. Used to check his blog every now and again.
co-dad w/AfDC of
Ishikawa, the Topps Rookie All Star Team's First baseman. Does he get a chance in 2010?
"Because I don’t know what it means anymore, in the PCL. It’s almost like years ago."
"That’s not to say Buster isn’t fully committed or all-in. He is. He’s smart and he’s got the advance reports. Anybody who said he’s not ready to catch in the big leagues is crazy because he’s a pretty good catcher, especially throwing." - Sabean 7/11/10
He pops up on KNBR fairly often as a fill-in, especially during holidays. I don’t know if they “advertise” that on the website, but he stands in for Ralph or Tolbert or both a few times per year.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 15, 2010 8:31 AM PST up reply actions
I've always liked him.
He was “Flem: the Prequel.”
I liked his broadcasting in the last to Winter Olympics. Since I was fascinated with short track I heard a lot of him.
"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."
Ted Robinson is really good.
Placeholder.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2010 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
I think he’s fine, I got the impression there was a lot of haterade here for him.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 15, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
I hated him! Me! Me!
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on Dec 15, 2010 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
But the third spot in the rotation belongs to a guy whom I don’t quite trust. The Giants don’t make the playoffs in 2010 if Jonathan Sanchez doesn’t pitch as well as he did last season.
I hate to disagree with The Man, but I don’t think that there’s any way that Dirty wiil be pitching in the #3 spot- either in the regular season or the playoffs(if we make it that far). I’m 99% positive that the regular season rotation will be:
Timmy-Dirty-Cainer-MadBum-Zito
If we make it to the playoffs I think we’ll see that MadBum has overtaken Dirty as the #3 guy, in which case we’d go with:
Timmy-Cainer-Madbum-Dirty
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
But I do agree with the overall gist of what Grant was saying.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
I agree with your gist too, if Bumgarner pitches all season like he ended it Guapo becomes the best 4th pitcher in the league. And Hamels can suck it.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 15, 2010 6:44 AM PST up reply actions
I was more thinking in the broad sense. Cain wast the #2 starter last year and everyone knew it from the beginning of the season, so it was just semantics that Zito started the second game of the season to get to the lefty/righty thing.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 15, 2010 9:48 AM PST up reply actions
MLB Network is doing a 20 greatest games and people could vote on it
Two nominees for the 2000s: Game 6 of the 2002 World Series, Game 4 of the 2003 NLDS: Giants at Marlins.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
uh
neither of those games were great.
Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.
I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog
THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
No kidding, it seems like to get nominated the game had to either
- Bullpen meltdown
- Walkoff HR
- Playoff game
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2010 5:42 AM PST up reply actions
It wasn’t really a very good decade, all told.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
I don't know what you're talking about.
Best decade in SF Giants’ history.
Nope. That’s this decade.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
You’re confusing decades and centuries.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Oh, come now. This battle was fought and lost a long time ago. People count the way they count and if it’s a year off, well, you can just feel quietly superior. Trying to convince someone the twenty teens begin a few weeks from now is a futile gesture.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Not necessarily. The 1900s (the century, that is) started in 1900, as would make logical sense. The 20th century started in 1901, however, because there is no year zero. The 211th decade would start in 2011, but the 2010s logically start in 2010.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Didn’t really read the argument way abovethread, but the year ’10 is the final year of a decade, and the year ’11 is the first year of the next.
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
For the purpose of the MLB Network poll
They use 0-9. BTW, here is the link to the poll:
http://mlbnetwork.mlb.com/network/greatest_games/index.jsp
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
There are two pro Giants on that poll
July 2, 1963 – Marichal outduels Spahn and October 3, 1982 – Giants end Dodgers season (the Morgan homer).
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I just explained why that doesn’t make sense.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
you said there is no year 0, but there is. 2000 was a year 0, going by the final digit/
‘01-’10, 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10, if you count each number, that’s 10 years.
if you go by your math, ‘00-’10, 0-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10, that’s 11 years.
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
No, what I mean is that there was no year 0, as in the year before 1 AD. For that reason, the first century begins with the year 1, the second with the year 101, and the twenty-first with the year 2001.
I never claimed that 2010 was part of the 2000s. Why would it be? 2010 is part of the 2010s, and 2000 is part of the 2000s. That makes intuitive sense.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
did anyone look it up?
its not that big a deal, if thats what you’re sure it is, then that’s what it is
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 6:51 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t see any two ways about it.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
ok cool
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 7:19 PM PST up reply actions
Lol, Neal.
TdaddyNeal
@CarlCrawford_ Yo u and my man Darren Ford need 2 race str8 up to find out who the fastest in the League
I for one, would love to see this.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Does he think Crawford is going to be demoted? Because it’s not that likely they will be in the same league otherwise.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 14, 2010 6:03 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe Neal is being traded to the Yankees that would send Barry Zito to NY.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I would be sad.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Depends on how much of the contract they'd take.
But the sad was more referring to the fact we’d be losing our favorite twitter-er to the Yankees.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Runzler as our 5th starter?
No thanks.
by BustaTheRippa on Dec 14, 2010 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
This too.
Who replaces Zito? He has a bad contract, yes. But he’s not a bad pitcher.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
If we unloaded Zito to the Yanks...
I’d immediately call the Rays about Matt Garza
by BustaTheRippa on Dec 14, 2010 6:13 PM PST up reply actions
If Zito is unloaded, and they were to take his full contract, I’d be ecstatic.
If we have to pay anything more than $5M/yr, its not worth trading Zito because we’d have to sign another 2-3 WAR pitcher in his place for $10-12M/yr
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 6:36 PM PST up reply actions
Sadly, I don’t think even NY is quite that desperate yet…
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
they will be, if Pavano signs elsewhere
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
Ny hates Pavano
There’s no way they bring Pavano back.
by BustaTheRippa on Dec 14, 2010 6:48 PM PST up reply actions
This.
But I have no idea what their plan is. Especially if Petite retires. So far it seems like everything that’s come out via the press/Twitter is just massive backpedaling and BS.
They’re running out of options. And if they trade teams are going to hold them over the fire because they’ll know it.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
yep, they’re not getting Greinke, that’s for sure- it’ll cost them everything in their farm because they have no leverage. KC could walk away at any moment, and force NY to give them more.
Business is all about leverage to get the best deals
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 6:52 PM PST up reply actions
And Greinke has a no trade clause. NY is on the list.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I don’t think they even want Greinke.
But who’s left at this point? Pavano? Webb? A trade for Matt Garza?
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
The media says the Yankees have doubts about how Greinke will handle pitching in NY and look at his bad record in Yankee Stadium. I assume this is lying and obfuscation and expect them to be attempting to get him right now.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
I wouldn’t do it. Neal’s real.
Also known to haunt as theghostoftravisdenker and theaccidentalghostofsergioromo.
Adopted parent of good old Wendell, he tries so hard. You'll get a hit someday son!
by theghostofjasonellison on Dec 14, 2010 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
I wanna see Brown and Ford race in ST
"You think someone that big would be more well endowed" Aubrey Huff's mother on Pat Burrell
I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
Follow me: Twitter.com/gobroks
by Gobroks on Dec 14, 2010 7:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
toss in Burriss, Ford, and Schierholtz as comps. Maybe add a water buffalo for the lols.
co-dad w/AfDC of
Ishikawa, the Topps Rookie All Star Team's First baseman. Does he get a chance in 2010?
"Because I don’t know what it means anymore, in the PCL. It’s almost like years ago."
"That’s not to say Buster isn’t fully committed or all-in. He is. He’s smart and he’s got the advance reports. Anybody who said he’s not ready to catch in the big leagues is crazy because he’s a pretty good catcher, especially throwing." - Sabean 7/11/10
McBryde is supposed to be fast too
Though in ST he should be working with Dick Tidrow.
"You think someone that big would be more well endowed" Aubrey Huff's mother on Pat Burrell
I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
Follow me: Twitter.com/gobroks
I ended up deciding to rebuild the Royals
And the Giants won the WS.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I took over the 07 Giants
…That wasn’t a good team. Justin Leone, Starting LF!
"You think someone that big would be more well endowed" Aubrey Huff's mother on Pat Burrell
I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
Follow me: Twitter.com/gobroks
by Gobroks on Dec 14, 2010 7:37 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Ive tried several times unsuccessfully to download it, but can someone link me to the free version?
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 14, 2010 7:49 PM PST up reply actions
Apologies for completely changing the subject, but does anyone else here think that Jaymee Sire’s hair probably smells really really good?
this guy
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Dec 14, 2010 7:58 PM PST up reply actions
in yr closet waitin
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
Like “man, what the fuck is going on?”
Placeholder.
by howtheyscored on Dec 14, 2010 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
This board needs more R. Kelley fans.
Placeholder.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2010 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
I am a fan of urinating.
Does that count?
Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.
I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog
THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
I guess I can't knock it until I try it...
Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.
I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog
THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
Then you can be a preliminary member of the club.
Placeholder.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2010 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
FINE. UR GETTING PEED ON
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
UH
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
uh
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
It smells great because AmyG shared with it an amazing diet!
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 15, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
I just remembered that this gif exists
And I think it just about sums up all my feelings on the Giants vs Phillies issue.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
by GiantPain on Dec 14, 2010 8:23 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Also this one
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
by GiantPain on Dec 14, 2010 8:34 PM PST up reply actions 7 recs
gotta swing it to hit it howie
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
The best he could have done is a chip shot foul.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 15, 2010 8:28 AM PST up reply actions
Well, yes, I’m just hooting.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on Dec 15, 2010 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
I love the person collapsing above the woman in the middle
doan worry, poplo loe he team, he wan get berry good for body to play the beisbol
Proud Aussie father of Roberto Kelly
by Tim LinCyYoung on Dec 14, 2010 9:16 PM PST up reply actions
rec'd 'em both.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
LOL fan reactions
Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.
I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog
THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
LOL Umpire strikeout call
Dude literally did a 180
"You think someone that big would be more well endowed" Aubrey Huff's mother on Pat Burrell
I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
Follow me: Twitter.com/gobroks
..
Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.
I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog
THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
Also, including the clinching game against the Padres, the series was against the Braves was the only time that Wilson didn’t K the final batter. And even there, he K’d Infante for the 2nd out. Crazy.
30% K-per-PA in 2010
Around tenth in the league, depending on where you set your IP minimum.
Real outliers were Carlos Marmol with 42% (!!!) and Billy Wagner with 39% (!!).
So intense that he had to close his eyes
"You think someone that big would be more well endowed" Aubrey Huff's mother on Pat Burrell
I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
Follow me: Twitter.com/gobroks
PLEATED
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Random fact
Miguel Tejada hit .268/.317/.413 for the Padres after being traded, good for a 111 wRC+. Juan Uribe only had a 100 wRC+ last year.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
But what was Uribe’s wRC during his best stretch of 250 plate appearances?
Placeholder.
by howtheyscored on Dec 14, 2010 8:42 PM PST up reply actions
Point taken
File this under the ‘fun with useless microsplits’ category.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I'm sorry guys.
We offered more than the Yankees! :( kill me now.
Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.
All isn't lost
FWIW, I wouldn’t want Cliff for six or seven years. Dude has back problems. You’d be better off trading for Greinke.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I know, it's just we had such an amazing year, and he was THE reason we were in the WS
in the first place. I can’t fault the guy for taking less money. It just stings that you’re the one he spurned. You guys saw first hand how good Feliz is, and scouts have wanted to see him as a starter.
In the long run, it was probably a good thing, but it’s still depressing. I’m still fucking pissed off that the fucking Angels got Haren for basically Nick fucking Blackburn and a couple of shitty prospects.
I still think they’ll win the West, but they need Greinke. CJ and Colby pitched like #1’s last year, but they are just really good #2s.
Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 14, 2010 9:03 PM PST up reply actions
I’d be worried about the A’s if I was you guys. They are one Adrian Beltre away from being a legit playoff contender in a division that is pretty much only the Rangers and A’s (Mariners aren’t a worry, Angels haven’t improved themselves at all)
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 9:14 PM PST up reply actions
I would bet a large sum of cash that Beltre would play poorly in Oakland.
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 14, 2010 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
they are in need of an Eric Chavez replacement to waste the few resources they have
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Dec 14, 2010 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
All the stories (inevitably) are about him hosing the Yankees, but it’s the Rangers who get hurt both by losing him and because he was the guy in the WS run. Everyone was sad to lose Uribe (even those glad SF didn’t sign him to a big contract); if Lincecum or Cain left this winter… that would really be a gut-punch.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 15, 2010 6:50 AM PST up reply actions
What I don’t understand is, if Lee didn’t want to go back to the Rangers, why did his agent (as reported by CEO Chuck Greenberg) say he would sign if Texas gave him the 7th guaranteed year? Does this mean that Lee actually did have a price to keep him out of PHI? And that the Yankees really never had a chance?
"It'll break your heart. It's designed to break your heart."
- A. Bartlett Giamatti
Anyone know where I can get a decent Arsenal jersey for under $100 dollars?
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 14, 2010 9:04 PM PST reply actions
As opposed to €100 dollars?
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
How did you even make that symbol?
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 14, 2010 9:12 PM PST up reply actions
pulled it out of jcb9’s ass
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 14, 2010 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
In a year it won’t matter! /speculators
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
In a year we’ll all be using it.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
No way. Europe will collapse. /fervently
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
What, do you have a dresser-drawer full of punts or drachmas or something? A euro collapse would be a pretty big mess.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 15, 2010 6:51 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe he owns millions of lire and is hoping they’ll be worth something again.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
I am geopolitically committed to fighting the further unification of Europe! AHAHAHAHAHA!
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on Dec 15, 2010 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
Haha, then they'll all use deutsche marks!
Haha!
Hmmm.
Oh dear.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I have an old "library of essential information"...
…basically a one volume encyclopedia, written in the late 1920s or early ’30s. The entry on Germany concludes with the sentence: “The old warlike spirit, however, has definitely disappeared.”
So it turns out that YouTube commenters were not the first to invent stupid.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
by EliminateMe on Dec 16, 2010 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
What about...
http://www.arsenalstoreusa.com/departments-home-kit.html ?
But seriously, support a more interesting team. (although anyone’s better than Man Utd)
Debating Giants and Phils rotations
Watch neither team make the playoffs.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
If we were to rank the teams, right now, in order of record we expect next year, how would it go?
And are the Pirates at the bottom of the NL?
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
d’oh i just realized some numbers-person could probably whip up this list based something numerical. NVM and just let me know when it happens.
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
Here's my hunch based analytics
1. Phillies 96-66
2. Giants 95-67
3. Reds 93-69
4. Rockies 90-72
5. Padres 88-74
6. Cardinals 88-74
7. Braves 87-75
8. Marlins 82-80
9. LOL Mets 81-81
10.Brewers 79-83
11. Natinals 78-84
12. Cubs 76-86
13. DLOLdgers 75-87
14. Diamondbacks 75-87
15. Houston 68-94
16. Pie Rats 60-102
"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."
Holy shit
http://www.ecouterre.com/smart-textile-shirt-protects-baseball-pitchers-from-elbow-injuries
This is the first step to robots playing.
Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.
I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog
THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
I'm on episode 5 of Parks & Rec
I liked the 4th one the best so far. I’m starting to get into it, though it hasn’t totally hooked me. I’m going to keep the faith that S2 is as good as everyone says it is.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
April in particular is very underused in Season 1.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Yeah she hasn't done much but roll her eyes so far
I think Ron is the funniest character so far.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I was just coming back on here to tell you to skip season one altogether.
by Every6thDay on Dec 14, 2010 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
only one episode to go
I think I can make it through
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Last episode is the best.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
I am actually laughing out loud a pretty good amount.
It’s weird, I never actually laugh out loud at Community, but I do find it funny and I like the show a lot.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Honestly I don’t think that there’s a single episode of P&R which is bad. Some are much better than others, but they’re all reasonably funny.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
I thought the second episode “Canvassing” was one of the worst episodes of that style of mockumentary TV I’ve ever seen. It made me hate watching P&R. But I couldn’t stay away forever. I had to check it out come the second season and it is not a disappointment. So much better.
by Every6thDay on Dec 14, 2010 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, but nobody can do an eyeroll like April.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 14, 2010 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
Natto should sue.
Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.
I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog
THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
I love how that was the best pic of Oswalt they could find.
Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.
I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog
THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
Halladay’s face makes me laugh too.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
I think they took most of the photos from moments when they realized the Giants were outpitching them
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 14, 2010 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
Cole Hamels as played by James Van Der Beek?
by Every6thDay on Dec 14, 2010 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
So open up your morning light
And say a little prayer for I
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on Dec 14, 2010 11:33 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I DOHWANNAWAIT
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
eeeew why did they use those uniforms?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
My first thought too.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 15, 2010 6:53 AM PST up reply actions
RED WHITE AND BLUE!!!
America’s new team!
Helps to validate all the extra coverage that ESPN spends on the Phillies
Staunch Defender of Cake
We love 'em, too.
They’re throwbacks to the ’50s “Whiz Kids” Phils team.
My lucky jersey is that version of Chase Utley’s.
Also doesn’t hurt that our ticket plan is the Sunday package, and that’s when they wear this one – day games.
by Chutley's Impressed by Mac's Speed on Dec 15, 2010 7:36 PM PST up reply actions
I hope that GM dramatically removed his glasses before saying “Oh…my…God.”
I mean, if you’re going to go for it, you may as well go all the way.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
That National League GM?
Amaro.
Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.
I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog
THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
sl
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
by slackersphere17 on Dec 14, 2010 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
Looks like “Mother of Fred”.
Placeholder.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2010 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
Why are they so confounded?
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
They were all playing the Giants
Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.
I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog
THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
Confundus!
Stupefy!
EXPELLIARMUS!
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on Dec 15, 2010 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
Currently I am reading this instead of studying for my final exam in Physics. My life will never amount to anything.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Wow
the Troy/Annie shippers were really excited about that one scene, huh.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
It was the first move at all in that direction since like halfway through Season 1, so yeah.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
it was just funny to open up the link and see like 10 entries in a row with variations of the same picture.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Shippers gonna ship
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Troy & Abed bromance for life
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Community has really grown on me. I kinda tuned out midway through season one, loved the paintball episode (obviously) but then that was sorta it. I started watching from this season and have really started to like it more and more. I got the season one DVD and rewatched the whole season about a month ago and just the whole thing is solid. That episode in particular was a great change of pace. I really enjoyed it. That, and seeing some under-utilized LA-based comics finally get some TV time.
by Every6thDay on Dec 14, 2010 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
What the leaping hell is that?
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Random Tumblr discovery...
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/3195/timmyt.jpg
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
This is awesome
http://fakecriterions.tumblr.com/
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Bob Howry's #1 (and only) fan!!!
The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
LOL my friend made this and I uploaded it here
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
WTF
I got an A+ in one of my classes. I didn’t know that could happen.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I think you are jumping the gun here.
Your grade is obviously infected with something. Wait for the rest of the test results to come out.
Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.
I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog
THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
It's infected with my awesomness
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
It might be too late for you.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
OH GOD UNDO UNDO
I love you xFIP
I love you xFIP
I love you xFIP
I love you xFIP
I love you xFIP
I love you xFIP
I love you xFIP
I love you xFIP
I love you xFIP
I love you xFIP
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
IT’S NOT WORKING I STILL REALLY LIKE THE NATIONAL
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
MOST COOL PEOPLE DO
/laughs at Grant
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
SO YOU HATE MATT CAIN HUH
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
GIANTS BLOG LINKED TO FEMALE INFECTIONS
Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.
I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog
THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
the gift that keeps on giving
The ultimate curse of the man who eventually invents the time machine is that it will only be able to make one trip, and when he gets back EVERYONE will have a better idea for what to do with that one trip than what he actually did.
Proud Parent of the palm tree outside of AT&T Park. Yeah, that palm tree.
by giant4life83 on Dec 15, 2010 1:57 AM PST up reply actions
I’ve never seen it before ever. I’m pretty sure I got over 100% in one of my classes at BC, but it was still just an A.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
by jponry on Dec 14, 2010 11:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I know a couple of undergrads at Stanford who had > 4.00 GPAs. Not even kidding. Most of them were CS or EE majors, and they really rocked their classes.
WHY NOT A++?
doan worry, poplo loe he team, he wan get berry good for body to play the beisbol
Proud Aussie father of Roberto Kelly
by Tim LinCyYoung on Dec 15, 2010 1:54 AM PST up reply actions
My university recently went to this as well
Cheese ball.
What I heard was too many 4.0’s
It’s bush league
"Do you smell that Kenny? That's hard news. Notice the lack of fornicating horses."
Well done +
At some of the universities I’ve taught at, I’ve been allowed to give A+s, but they carry no special weight in GPA calculations. I’ve given them to students that earned a high A and stood out in their efforts/attitude in class. At other universities, I wasn’t allowed to give (or earn) A+s.
co-dad w/AfDC of
Ishikawa, the Topps Rookie All Star Team's First baseman. Does he get a chance in 2010?
"Because I don’t know what it means anymore, in the PCL. It’s almost like years ago."
"That’s not to say Buster isn’t fully committed or all-in. He is. He’s smart and he’s got the advance reports. Anybody who said he’s not ready to catch in the big leagues is crazy because he’s a pretty good catcher, especially throwing." - Sabean 7/11/10
..
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
by jctGamer on Dec 15, 2010 9:19 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I done got an A+ in my grammar class. But that’s because I probably deserved an A, and the rest of the class was in D territory, so she needed to adjust the curve on the fly to avoid a riot.
Grammar and SJSU didn’t get along, apparently.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 15, 2010 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
I received a %140 once upon a sometime. They still didn’t give me an A+. That’s fucked up.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Also
So Stanfurd has fake grades?
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
by Alex_Lewis on Dec 15, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
lol recced by a butthurt cal fan
the truth is that grades aren’t really important for the program I’m in. but it’s still cool to be over a 4.0
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
LOL JUNIOR UNIVERSITY
"Campeones." - Andres Torres
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Dec 15, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
Don’t I get any credit for not making the joke? I even typed and deleted.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 15, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
I am proud of you
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
An A+ for this display of holiday pride!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Dec 15, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
I’m still waiting on grades, but I’m fully expecting two A’s and one B.
Placeholder.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2010 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
UC Santa Cruz class of 1997 here....
what are these letter grades you mention?
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 15, 2010 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
And you get a SMILE+!!!
:)
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
That smiley looks a little too delighted.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
permagrin
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 15, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
You get a crocodile in English!
"Campeones." - Andres Torres
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Dec 15, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
/blames the engineers
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 15, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah
:(
Mr. F! | comics | art | New Nattowear | Unofficial McImage Directory | Confused? Check the McWiki
We kissed slugs when we walked at graduation.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 15, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
Like that’s the only time…
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 15, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
LOL PHILLIES PITCHERS R OLD
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 15, 2010 8:33 AM PST reply actions
propellering!
co-dad w/AfDC of
Ishikawa, the Topps Rookie All Star Team's First baseman. Does he get a chance in 2010?
"Because I don’t know what it means anymore, in the PCL. It’s almost like years ago."
"That’s not to say Buster isn’t fully committed or all-in. He is. He’s smart and he’s got the advance reports. Anybody who said he’s not ready to catch in the big leagues is crazy because he’s a pretty good catcher, especially throwing." - Sabean 7/11/10
Agent Ned signs replacement level reliever
for $12 million over 3 years.
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
lol dodgers
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Awesome.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Why does it say San Diego behind them?
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2010 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
Because San Diego will constantly be chasing the Giants.
Proud Adoptive Parent of no one, cause my son left me.
I still think Obi-wan wanted them to hook up & raise some genetic freaks with midichlorians firing out of their ass. - ResDog
THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES
Mercenaries!
’cept Posey
"It'll break your heart. It's designed to break your heart."
- A. Bartlett Giamatti
The development studio is in San Diego. CONSPIRACY!
Mr. F! | comics | art | New Nattowear | Unofficial McImage Directory | Confused? Check the McWiki
If I win my fantasy team I am so buying a PS3 and The Show
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2010 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
That’s a fine HD butt he’s got going.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
You noticed too?
someone with more free time than sense.
Itaque, in anno MMX Gigantes San Francisconis Seriem Mundi vicerunt.
Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on Dec 15, 2010 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
FTFSony
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
Oh my god the Dodgers...
If was any other team but the Dodgers their stupidity would be painful. Thankfully, it is the Dodgers…so we can all laugh.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
OT: Lunch
omg omg, a client just brought in home made spring rolls. So, lunch. God, they are good.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Leftover sloppy joes.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Jesus.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Jesus, gross? Jesus, amazing?
They were delicious. I put mustard, sauerkraut, and a spicy pickle on them.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
It doesn’t make for a good mental image.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
It had a lot of inner beauty.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
poop
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
The “previously on” segments for this show get more and more lengthy and hard to follow with every episode.
Placeholder.
Niiiiiiice fake yawn, Sackhoff.
Placeholder.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2010 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
With any luck, we’ll actually get the Starbuck explanation here.
Placeholder.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2010 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I don’t really get why they’re dredging back up the Tyrol/Boomer stuff, but okay.
Placeholder.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
OMG, this episode. Hahahaha, indeed.
"Campeones." - Andres Torres
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Dec 15, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
They have been furiously writing Boomer back into this show in the last two episodes. Not necessary, to my mind. Why ignore her completely for nearly three full seasons if she was going to be worth this much time at the end?
Placeholder.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2010 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah!
Why write badly when you can write well? Answer me that, Battlestar!
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
At least… why highlight the fact that you underwrote this character into insignificance? Just lay in the bed you made. Don’t try to make the bed look better by throwing paint on the bedsheets.
Placeholder.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
Producers and agents. LOLART!
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
And what the fuck this Helo scene?
Placeholder.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
If I had one more complaint about this show, it would be the occasional steps it takes into Soap Opera territory.
Placeholder.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
Battlestar Dramatica.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I’ll never understand the urge they seemed to feel to artificially dramatize a show about THE END OF HUMANITY.
There really isn’t enough drama inherent to the premise?
Placeholder.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
Complaints about the show:
1. Brother Cavil
2. Starbuck
3. Cally
4. Stupid ending
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
Not at the ending. Don’t care for Brother Cavil. Starbuck’s cool. The Cally thing pissed me off.
Placeholder.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
Cally’s only contribution to Battlestar was being told to fuck off by Adama when he decided to go get his men. I’m pleased that she was the one that fucked off.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
What about being adorably cute?
"Campeones." - Andres Torres
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Dec 15, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
Cally getting hers led to Tyrol having by far one of the worst character turns of anyone in the show.
Placeholder.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
Wait, nonexistent pianist?
Placeholder.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
I’ll continue this somewhere in the next thread.
Placeholder.
by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
yawn fetishist?
"Campeones." - Andres Torres
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Dec 15, 2010 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
Brother Cavil:
In Top-10 of worst TV characters ever…?
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
I really did not need to see gross old man sex from Dean Stockwell.
"Campeones." - Andres Torres
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Dec 15, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
content fail
Anyways:
Yankees are not in trouble because they don’t have Lee…proof: Hughes won 18 games…
I wouldn’t mind the Giants working the Yankees over on a trade for an SP…
CAIN FOR HUGHES
We need proven winning pitchers on the Giants. How are we ever gonna win a championsh….
"Campeones." - Andres Torres
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Dec 15, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
Can the press stop talking about how Lee left money on the table?
The wait is over. In a surprising development that leaves two top American League teams empty-handed, Cliff Lee has signed a five-year, $120MM deal with the Phillies, the team announced today. The contract includes a $27.5MM vesting option for 2016 with a $12.5MM buyout, plus partial no-trade clause.
MLB.com’s T.R. Sullivan first reported the deal, ESPN.com’s Jerry Crasnick reported on the terms and vesting option (on Twitter). Agent Darek Braunecker represents the left-hander.
After months of rumors that suggested he’d sign with the highest bidder, Lee turned down tens of millions in guaranteed money to sign in Philadelphia. Crasnick hears the Yankees offered a deal that guaranteed Lee $132MM over six years, plus a $16MM player option for a seventh year (Twitter link). At $148MM guaranteed, that was the highest bid. The Rangers offered $138MM over six years, and their proposal included a vesting option that could have brought the value of the deal to $161MM, according to Yahoo’s Tim Brown (Twitter links). That offer included huge deferrals, tweets SI’s Jon Heyman.
My calculation:
Philly: $120 million over 5 years ($24 million a year) or 147.5 million over 6 years (assuming the options vests)($24.58 million a year)
NYY: $132 million over 6 years ($22 million a year) or $148 million over 7 year ($21.14 million a year)
Texas: $138 million over 6 years ($23 million a year) or $161 million over 7 ($23 million a year)
Lee did not take less money…in fact if the option for the Phillies vest…he would get Yankee money in one less year!
The press is just butthurt
Cliff Lee as a Yankee is a way bigger story than Cliff Lee as a Phillie.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
The true story is why the Yankees didn’t try to blow the phillies/rangers out of the water…go 6 year for $175 million with a vesting option for the 7 year at $25 million…
That's an easy one
Hal Steinbrenner is running things, not Hank. Thank God for Hal Steinbrenner.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
I understand the need to be “reasonable” but the Yankees really needed another top line pitcher like Lee…especially after Boston went out and got Gonzalez and Crawford…
Can you image the revenue loss if the Yankees is third in their division and 10 games out of the playoffs? It will be way more than $6-7 million a year…
Isn’t the buyout included in the overall value of the contract? So his 27.5 million dollar salary is more 15 million.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
No the way I read it…$120 million for 5 years with a vesting option for year 6 or a 12.5 million buyout…
Thats how they do all the contracts, look at Zitos 7-126
10+14.5+18.5+18.5+18.5+19+20= 119 + 7 (buyout) = 126
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Dec 15, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
I think you’re right…
And with that, the Phillies officially have the best front four in all of baseball. Lee, 32, will earn $11 million next season, $21.5 million in 2012 and $25 million from 2013-2015. His option for 2016 would vest if he reaches 200 innings in 2015 or 400 innings between 2014 and 2015. He would also have to avoid ending the 2015 season on the disabled list due to an injury to his left shoulder or elbow. With a $12.5 million on the buyout, he is guaranteed $120 million. If his option vests, he could make $135 million over the life of the contract. Lee could be a big burden on the team’s payroll in the long run, but it’s hard to argue with the Phillies trying to win while they still have a window with their core group of players.
11+21.5+25+25+25+12.5=120
What if I came here for shoes?
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Very funny.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Best rotation...who cares
I think it is laughable how much “ink” and gnashing of teeth is being spent on whether the phillies (or giants) now have the “best” rotation. Or best ever or…who cares; it is all theoretical at the moment
Sure, sure, the Phillies have a nice looking rotation now and I am glad that they Yankees were spurned (a nice side benefit, since it happens so rarely).
But more to the point is that the Giants handily proved that a team perceived to be weak hitting can also regularly beat these “unbeatable” studly pitchers. Just how many times last year did our crappy, scrappy hitters beat Oswalt, Halladay, Lee, etc…?
Likewise, our incredible rotation had a really yucky month or more, before looking great again. On paper and in theory…is just that.
It will be an interesting season, for sure.
Dirty = The man
13-9, one of the three best lefties in the game, no doubt, HATERS GONNA HATE!!!!
WORLD CHAMPS., SUCK IT LA!!!!
Trade Sabean...
This is hilarious to me
I’m glad that even after winning the world championship you can’t get the Dodgers out of your head. Love it.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
it's not about who has the best rotation
it’s about who wins the last game of the year…humm baby, GO GIANTS
I WOULDN’T TRADE ANY ONE OF OUR GUYS FOR OSWALT, HAMELS, LEE, AND HALLADAY, TOGETHER,,,,,
Trade Sabean...
Hmm, I dunno. Both your rotations are fantastic, but I would have to say that right now, the Phillies are a bit better:
Halladay vs. Lincecum: Halladay is better. Not by a lot, Lincecum is one of the best pitchers of the past 3 years, but Halladay has been one of the best over the last decade, and hasn’t slowed down yet. In the coming years, it might shift to Lincecum, but for 2011 I think Halladay will still be better.
Lee vs. Cain: Gotta give this one to Lee. Again, not by a wide margin, if this was Lee vs. Lincecum I’d probably say a draw or maybe give it to Timmy, but I think Cain right now is a notch below Lincecum, putting him slightly below Lee. Once again, might change in the coming years.
Oswalt vs. Sanchez: Going to Oswalt. I like them both, but Oswalt is an established ace, and Sanchez isn’t. This isn’t as close as the first two.
Bumgarner vs. Hamels: This one is too close to call. Hamels is more proven, but I think Bumgarner has more potential. I could easily see this one going either way.
Zito vs. Phillies 5th: I’m assuming Zito will be your 5th starter, and I think he’ll be better than whatever the Phillies put 5th. Word is they will move Blanton, so they’ll probably have a lesser quality 5th starter.
Looking at all 5, it’s very close, but the slight nod would go to the Phillies. If you’re asking which rotation I want for the next 5-10 years, it’s easily the Giants, but for 2011, the Phillies. Congrats again on your WS win!
Montero will be our savior in 2011.
Welcome!
Congrats again on your WS win!
Thanks! Wasn’t really following you there, but you really nailed it with that last sentence.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 16, 2010 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
Related FanPosts on McCovey Chronicles
Related FanShots on McCovey Chronicles
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recommended FanPosts
Recent FanPosts
In Association With
Big League Stew - MLB - Yahoo! Sports
- College player makes impossible over the fence catch to save tournament game (Video)
- Security!: Camden Yards guard collides with Royals’ Mike Moustakas
- The Juice: Nelson Cruz matches career high eight RBIs, Pujols stays hot in Seattle
- Benches clear at Fenway as Red Sox-Rays rivalry heats up
- Keeping good company: Albert Pujols becomes fourth-youngest player to hit 450 home runs
