A Gold Glove hope...
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 9, 2010 4:56 PM PST
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| Year | Tm | Pos | G | GS | Inn | Ch | PO | A | E | DP | Fld% | Awards |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1999 | TEX | DH | 135 | AS,MVP-5,GG,SS | ||||||||
| 1999 | TEX | 1B | 28 | 28 | 246.1 | 275 | 261 | 13 | 1 | 23 | .996 | AS,MVP-5,GG,SS |
There it is. The only thing you'll ever need to know about the Gold Gloves. That's the defensive ledger for Rafael Palmeiro in 1999. He played twenty-eight games at first, and he earned his third consecutive Gold Glove. By this point, it's almost a cliche to trot out the Palmeiro example, but it's still amazing enough to mention every time the Gold Glove awards come up.
The Gold Gloves are ridiculous. They're the subjective opinions of people who would rather use astrology charts than defensive stats to judge players they watched for seven to 18 games this year. Not that I'm a huge UZR zealot, but there has to be a better way to award these things than coaches and managers voting for the names they know. Derek Jeter actually played shortstop for most of the season, so he isn't as bad of a choice as Palmeiro, but I wouldn't be surprised if Palmeiro has better range.
The Gold Gloves. Pfffft.
And yet it's impossible to describe how badly I want Andres Torres to win the Gold Glove.
It's an award that I don't care about, yet I so, so desperately want to validate the ridiculous center field defense I watched all season. Of all the center fielders for the Giants over the past two decades, only Tsuyoshi Shinjo, World Series DH, came close to Torres. I feel comfortable even saying that Torres had better instincts, first steps, and range than Marvin Benard. Seriously. No joke.
It's obvious to note that without Torres's bat, the Giants wouldn't have made the playoffs. It's probably true, though, to say the same thing about his defense. He had, uh, 21.2 UZRs, which, uh, extrapolates out to 24.8 UZRs over 150 games played, which means he saved a certain number of games with his glove, and he's responsible for a few extra wins...let's see...carry the two...circle the numerator...divide everything...
Fine. So I don't really know my way around defensive stats. But they agree with my perception and anecdotal evidence in this specific situation, so the stats are obviously right. The Giants made the playoffs for a variety of reasons. Andres Torres's defense was one of them. Without Torres playing as well as he did in center, it's possible, if not probable, that the Giants are still looking for their first championship in San Francisco. Which they aren't. Because the Giants won the World Series in 2010.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_Series_champions
So I want Torres to be rewarded. He deserves it, and even though the award is sub-Grammy in terms of importance outside of baseball, it still means something within the game. It would probably mean a lot to Torres. If a relatively unknown player like Michael Bourn could win one last year, Torres has a shot this year. I'm actually optimistic.
I also want the Giants to win everything because I'm greedy. I want Torres to win a Gold Glove and Buster Posey to win Rookie of the Year because I'm greedy. The championship was like that first bite of human flesh. There's no turning back. I want more championships, and I want my favorite players to win all the awards, and I want to invade other ballparks when the Giants play, just so the rest of baseball knows that it's Giants Nation all up in their yahd, and I...
That's odd. I didn't mean to drop that last "r" in "yard." It just happened. Hmm. Curious. Also, Andres Torres should win a Gold Glove. He's wicked good.
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I think Andres hit well enough to get the Gold Glove. The lack of national exposure is the main problem.
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damn, i got chopped
i think his playoff and esp WS showing got him the exposure for the award.
if they were voted on before the playoffs, i dont think he is known-enough, at all
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by slackersphere17 on Nov 9, 2010 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
i agree
i am merely pointing out he will win it probably because hes won it in the past and plays FOR THE PHILLIES
Torres definitely deserves it
Had pretty darn good range in the outfield as a defensive outfielder, and had some damn good plate appearences
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either way, he hadn't made an error in FOREVER
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Pretty sure that whenever there was a fly ball to center
i never panicked, since i always figured that Torres wouldn’t screw up
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Pretty sure that whenever there was a fly ball to center or to Right Center, or to Left Center, and sometimes even Left Field, i never panicked, since i always figured that Torres wouldn’t screw up
Fixed.
Dude was just nails. It will be a travesty if he does not win it.
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I remember feeling the same way about Cruz
and look what happened—I was shocked when the voters were astute enough to vote for him.
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Cruz Jr could play some outfield…most of time. I think that’s why the 2003 “incident” was so shocking. The G’s have had some pretty outstanding OF’s over the years.
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I like the fact that we can have this discussion about Cruz’s generally excellent D without anyone* breaking into incandescent, frothing rage. Because, you know, the Giants won the World Series.
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by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 9, 2010 5:28 PM PST up reply actions
It really is unfair that Jose Cruz Jr. is forever remembered by Giants fans for one horrible defensive screw-up, because for most of that year he was like Roberto Clemente out in RF (and a tough RF at that).
The Cruz Jr. "incident" is way underrated in it's historical perception outside of SF
If Cruz makes that catch, worst case scenario, Schmidt who was as automatic and dominant as anyone on this years staff would be on the mound in PBP for game 5. Instead the Marlins went on to win the WS.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
THIS! So very much this!
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-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Nov 9, 2010 6:01 PM PST up reply actions
But Snow was really slow and there’s no reason he should have been able to do that.
Also, that would have just tied the game.
Also also, it’s not really comparable to dropping an easy fly ball.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
as if that wasn’t bad enough, we got another Cruz a few years later, named Velez, who does the same shit.
/werth chalk game
right, but velez was in left and dropped a routine fly that would have ended the inning, but instead werth scored, putting PHI up by 2, then SF scored 1 in the bot 9th which would have tied it. velez then came up with 2 on, 2 out, and grounded out to end the game
Still…. Cruz catches that ball and history is different and MAYBE the Giants don’t win the World Series in 2010.
Maybe they win in 2003.
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we just lived it!!
and it was great. if we had only won in 2002 or 2003 or any of the Bonds era, everyone would just say we only won because Bonds cheated. It’s better this way.
by giant4life83 on Nov 9, 2010 11:43 PM PST up reply actions
yeah but Sidney Ponson
and Jerome Williams were in the rotation. and Sidney Ponson. how is that possible on a 100 plus win team?
Ignoring Tim Mccarver since 2002.
Nobody seemed to notice, but Cruz had a really nice career. 8 years of solid hitting with good defense.
Was just looking at his fangraphs page
and his 2000-2001 were incredible but must seemed less impressive at the time do to the inflated offensive numbers. With SF in 2003 he hit 20 HR in that park with a .366 OBP and bonkers defense.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
He didn’t just make that error though. In the top half of that inning after the Giants had gone ahead, he hit into a DP with the bases loaded and one out. I wonder if he took that at bat out to the field with him.
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by rxmeister on Nov 9, 2010 6:26 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Kruk and Kuip basically said as much on the radio broadcast. He’d been flailing pretty badly in the series up until then, and I think it did affect his defense.
Maldonado'd
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Even better, and that's truth, i always felt comfortable if he was under the ball or around the ball
he’d always make the play
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Hiw many times dud we see Torres run behind Pat as he made a catch?
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by say hey nation on Nov 10, 2010 5:25 AM PST up reply actions
Torres gave me heart attacks in CF all year
He has a very unique style in chasing down fly balls. Rather than catching routine balls in stride like most OFs, he prefers to run to the spot and catch it standing.
Since judging a flyball is often tricky from the stands, I usually watch the outfielder tracking to the ball. Several times this year, Torres fooled me by taking off like bat out of hell for a fly ball. He’d make it look like the ball must be headed for the wall, but in fact he was just racing to the spot so he could get there early and camp out under it.
His style makes total sense. He’s in better position to make a throw and there’s less risk of the ball bouncing out of his glove if he’s catching it while running, but it took me a while to get used to it and avoid panick attacks.
I’ve never seen this mentioned here before. Anyone else experience this watching Torres?
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In fact, after a while I realized that Torres is really that fast – he’s fast, but he’s not Carl Crawford. It’s just that he always runs at full speed.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 10, 2010 8:38 AM PST up reply actions
Torres used to run the 100M in a tick under 10 seconds, which is why I scout saw baseball in him when he was a track star in high school.
by giant4life83 on Nov 10, 2010 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
there’s no way thats true. The world record is 9.78. If he was that fast he would not be playing baseball. I seem to remember him being in the 10.6 range. Also, you seem to say a lot of things without checking your facts
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by GloomyGoose on Nov 10, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
Might have been a 100 yd dash. 9.9 is a decent high school time for that.
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by gallo del cielo on Nov 10, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
that’s what it was, yards not meters, i just looked it up.
and according to this, he ran the 100M in 10.37sec
I read this article about Giants outfielder Andres Torres. A 10.37 second 100 meters is pretty fast for a high school guy. I would guess that would project to a sub 10 second 100 meters in his 20’s if Torres stayed with track? I’d like to confirm that time , though. Torres was born on January 26, 1978. This would put his high school years from 1992-1996 most likely.
http://mb.trackandfieldnews.com/discussion/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=40045
by giant4life83 on Nov 10, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
Choose Goose!
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 10, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
I’m sorry I don’t live up to your standards, Goose.
If I had facts for every single thing I ever typed, it would be pretty fucking annoying. Kinda like someone who tells other people they are wrong all the time.
by giant4life83 on Nov 10, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
Having facts to back up your arguments is not annoying. WRONG AGAIN.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 10, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
Reading it back, it sounds much harsher than intended.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 10, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
The problem is
You stated it wasn’t annoying without backing it up with facts.
I, on the other hand, offer proof for the preceding point:
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2010/11/9/1804162/a-gold-glove-hope#51627663
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 10, 2010 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
look, its all good, i probably shouldnt have said that, im sorry. we’re all learning here, myself especially in the sabermateic sfuff, where most of my debates stem from.
came out worse than i intended, like JohnnyDisaster said
by giant4life83 on Nov 11, 2010 12:12 AM PST up reply actions
I stopped learning 23 years ago. It set me free, except when it did’t. Capital, it was.
When I was young, I believed three impossible things before lunch. Now, I believe six impossible things before breakfast. And I don’t even sweat, except when asked to believe that the Giants will win a second WS in a row.
Then I become exorcised an admit that I just don’t know . . . .
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by gallo del cielo on Nov 11, 2010 12:30 AM PST up reply actions
You’re sweating when asked to believe we’ll repeat the championship? weak.
I’m sweating just thinking about HOW we’re gonna have a chance to repeat, with Huff, Uribe and Pat still not resigned.
by giant4life83 on Nov 11, 2010 12:35 AM PST up reply actions
i know the pitching will carry us, but damn, we still managed to have a league average offense by the end of the year, after 3 months without our best hitters.
by giant4life83 on Nov 11, 2010 12:37 AM PST up reply actions
/Apologizes for careless drunken post . . . Gallo should stay off computer after going out . . . pledges to do so/
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by gallo del cielo on Nov 11, 2010 7:19 PM PST up reply actions
NEVER APOLOGIZE, NEVER EXPLAIN
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 12, 2010 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
This could be true at 100Y, not 100M
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
that why i said that he used to run the 100M in a tick under ten. turned out to to be 100Y that he was pushing the 10sec barrier at.
we’ve seen how freakin fast he is now, so i dont think its tough to see he probably had a damn good future in sprinting if he so chose.
Stoked to see he would up with a huge presence on a WS-winning team. What a success story, seriously. I got big time respect for guys that stick with it that long, because for a game that is primarily based on failure, it doesnt last too long for many. Just another story in the 2010 SF Giants.
by giant4life83 on Nov 11, 2010 12:18 AM PST up reply actions
That's the way you're supposed to make catches.
Torres has been very well trained and does it right. We’re just used to seeing Rowand out there catching the ball on the run because his speed and ball-judgement aren’t as good as Andres’.
by mrs. owlcroft on Nov 10, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
I agree
As I said above, it’s very smart. it’s just unusual to see pro players actually do it. When watching him live, it’s a trip.
The thong is, it happened.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 10, 2010 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
It's beautiful to watch.
“Run to the spot, then catch the ball” is classic textbook outfielding. We exclaimed on it with Torres probably three times a game.
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it's good to be back on here during the day
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especially since the regularrs are back on here and all
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Thank GOD we’re somewhat busy, couldn’t stand being here every waking minute
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slightly! i can't tell you how busy i've been
away from home, just with schoolwork, LOLME with my senior thesis
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haha, i dunno
got about 14 pages done, just starting on the discussion, so i got until December 6th or so to have everything done, and have a presentation… WOOHOO
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Intro's done, Research is done, Discussion is meh
so basically i got 3/4ths of the thesis done
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OT
Dude, Fernando Torres was nails against Chelsea. How’s Juve looking?
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Last I checked they passed Milan for 2nd, but I’m not sure if that stood.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 9, 2010 9:52 PM PST up reply actions
Theyre fourth. Lazio?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 9, 2010 9:54 PM PST up reply actions
You should have at least mentioned his awesome and oh-so-dreamy jeans.
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by kdl on Nov 9, 2010 5:31 PM PST up reply actions
Darren Lewis
Sorry, I couldn’t read this without at least mentioning his name. He was a pretty damn great center fielder. Granted, he had far better outfielders flanking him than Torres did.
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I'll nominate Torres as the best CF since Mays
Didn’t see them all, but have we had a better all-around CF in-between?
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For what iti is worth...
The other canidates would be Gary Maddux, Chili Davis and a couple seasons of the afermention Darren Lewis & Darryl Hamilton in my opinion. Out of that group Chili was probable the most well rounded.
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Let's take a look...
The candidates (guys who had good years in center for the Giants):
Marvin Bernard: Hit for moderate (given the context) power, some speed, I don’t remember him being especially good with the glove (as a CF – obviously rates better in the corners). BB-Ref gives him a 2.8 WAR for his best year in 1999 (110 OPS+).
Von Joshua: Had exactly one good year in his career, when he batted .318 in 1975. That’s also where most of his value came from – he didn’t hit for real power or walk much, and BB-Ref considers him below average in CF. It was just his special year, and BB-Ref pretty much considered him as just average with 2 WAR. (120 OPS+)
Bill North: Speed and walks. BB-Ref doesn’t think he was a good fielder by the time he got to SF.
Willie McGee: He of the empty average and good glove. His only good year as a CF in SF he hit .312, which managed to get his SLG to a lofty .408. It was still a punchless era compared to most of the 90’s but Willie never had no power at that point, plain and simple. His days of 10 HRs in a single season were far behind him.
Garry Maddox: Not a bad player, but he mostly hit his stride in Philly. Did have a very nice year in 1973 with a .810 OPS (119 OPS+) some speed, and good defense.
Chili Davis: 5.3 WAR in 1985, pretty much all with the bat. The beginning of a very nice career.
Brett Butler: OBP, speed, and a glove. The best of that group, when it comes to Giants center fielders. Also, his 1988, according to Baseball-reference, was epic. Like, seriously. League-wide, the average OBP was .317, and Butler’s was .393. He also slugged 28 points above the league average. BRETT BUTLER HAD ABOVE AVERAGE POWER THAT YEAR. What the heck! BB-ref gives him 7.2 WAR for 1988, and most of that is for his bat. That seemed weird, so I looked at Fangraphs – they give him 6 WAR. Best year in CF for SF since Willie by that measure. So…yeah, 1988 was a weird year.
Darren Lewis: Career batting line with the Giants: .310 OBP, .320 SLG. Wow.
Marquis Grissom: Middling power, poor OBP, and declining glove.
Andres Torres: Hit for better power than everyone but Chili. Better speed than all but Butler and North. Good but nothing special on OBP. Better than the scrubs, but doesn’t even sniff what Butler did, especially when considered in context. Glove: best since Willie Mays. I actually have very little confidence in the defensive metrics, especially historically, but Torres gets lots of love for this year, and has the best dWAR on baseball reference since Willie in 1966 for the Giants. At least, as far as I found.
Its funny – I remember a lot of those guys with fondness. Some more, some less, of course. But I would’ve defended Darren Lewis to the death. I had no idea he was such a bad hitter. Likewise, I loved Brett Butler as a Giants, but I had no CLUE his contributions were so valuable. All I knew is that he was short, and could bunt, and that was fun. Anyway. I’d probably go with daveinexile when he says the other most well rounded CFer would be Chili Davis. It would be a close call between him and Torres, and would entirely come down to how you define “well-rounded.”
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by Ott on Nov 10, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I only saw Davis before being a Giants fan
But I’ll go with Torres since he really was able to ignite the offense.
If Torres could become a better base stealer and bunter, I think he’d provide even more value next year.
The thong is, it happened.
going on single season I have agree with you.
I just ws trying to quickly give younger fans my runner ups. Really scicne the Sey Hey kid giants Cf has been a couple great glove men ( Maddux & Lewis) a young guy not as good as Mays ( Davis) with the occasional season of lofton, or North types to break things up tell this year.
This year …./ big goofy grin
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Vey nice run down.
Only quibbles I can see is McGee pretty muched played RF in Sf. B-R has him listed playing a total of about 107 innings in Cf while here.
And like Lewis, Maddux value was almsot all in his glove. I saddly don’t have any “hard” numbers to back it up but my gut reaction was maddux’’s glove as better than Lewis’.
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Sanchez should get consideration too
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Game 2
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by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 9, 2010 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
That's a good point
Seems like so long ago. Utley probably will win it (deservedly)
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Yeah
Utley is consistantly one of the best 2Bs in baseball defensively.
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He's probably the best 2B in baseball.
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He’s probably one of the top five players in baseball.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 10, 2010 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
And of course, Torres deserves the GG
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And sorry to OT it so early in this thread, but there was a prospects chat today and KG had some interesting notes about Giants prospects
Aaron (YYZ): How much more rope would you give a guy like Michael Main who has always been high on athleticism but long on health/results? Does he even sniff the Giants Top 11?
Kevin Goldstein: No sniff. His stuff was WAY down this year. WAY, way down.
EricJ (SF): Oh prince of all things prospecty do the Giants have any shortstops in the system that project as a regular?
Kevin Goldstein: He doesn’t fill up a stat sheet, but don’t forget about Ehire Adrianza. That kid is a down right special defender who will have value just as an every day plus-plus defender who bats eighth.
Josh G (Stockton): I believe it was you who really defended the Giants taking Gary Brown-Is he their CF of the future or do you prefer the toolsy Francisco Peguero?
Kevin Goldstein: I’d take Brown over Peguero for sure.
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Right now, that's basically what he is
But he has a lot more upside than Bocock
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And a cooler, less offensive name.
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When I saw Adrianza this past year
He didn’t look that bad. In his last two AB he actually had awesome PA’s. Worked a walk in his last plate appearance after fouling off a bunch of pitches and struck out but it was still a long AB. I hope he figures it out with the bat.
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Screw you Flannery.
If he could up his average he'd be a really good player
He probably has no power, but has a decent walk rate
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The last time I saw him
It’s kind of funny that he was having a good day at the plate but a pretty bad day defensively
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Post your favorites!
UZR Porn right here, folks
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=11786893
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=11021103
BEST OF THE YEAR
(Note: This clip contains a Cody Ross hop AND an awesome Torres catch)
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=10306067
My Son
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Beautiful
This one might be the best pure CATCH of the season:
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=8778055
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Some beardless guy.
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by Soulbrother16 on Nov 9, 2010 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
I love the one off Drew’s bat. It’s not flashy or anything, but it’s an amazing play – he runs at full speed, in a completely straight line, and times it perfectly.
Is that Burrell in left . . . the one who is not already in full stride?
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Nov 9, 2010 6:01 PM PST up reply actions
LOL Torres in LF.
Bork’d…
Wait cant say that anymore.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
I miss him already :(
Bruce Bochy: Leave him alone, he's the Manager Man and his BORK is much worse than his bite.
by zodiac_chiller on Nov 9, 2010 9:07 PM PST up reply actions
Taken from a different Torres highlight
by Natto on Nov 9, 2010 9:10 PM PST up reply actions 16 recs
Wow
This amazing and should be green.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
We need the Zito .gif of when Rowand botched the catch.
"What’s that, Buster? You asked for a bicycle? Well, sorry. Santa brought butt floss instead."
which catch did Rowand botch? you mean that game vs SD, Rowand fell on his ass and dude got a 2 run triple? no, that was the prediction game…
maybe that game in COL towards the end of the season? Rowand fell on his ass there too.
by giant4life83 on Nov 9, 2010 11:45 PM PST up reply actions
OK, this might be the best one
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=7992037
Matt Cain’s BABIP approves.
someone told him chicks don’t dig the basket catch
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 9, 2010 6:02 PM PST up reply actions
If this is the one I’m thinking of, it was interesting because Torres did something like a “double-clutch” as he was running — raising his arm as if preparing himself to catch the ball, then bringing it back down, then raising it again, then bringing it back down, then finally catching it.
Ah. This was the first play linked to above. He may have been calling off Burrell, although if he was it must have been for appearance’s sake. With Andres in center, Burrell knows that his zone of responsibility is everything to his right and maybe ten feet to his left. Anything else, GET THE FUCK OUT OF TORRES’ WAY.
by non sequitur on Nov 9, 2010 6:50 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
If Pat rejoins the team next year, we’re eventually going to get a play where a fly ball is hit right at him, and instead of catching it, he takes a couple steps back and holds up a hand to high-five Andres Torres as the latter streaks in for the ball.
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 9, 2010 6:51 PM PST up reply actions
Already happened. Torres roamed almost to dead center left field and caught one over his shoulder during the ATL series. It didn’t seem like anything special because he read it so well and had the speed to get there. Burrell looked over, raised his eyebrows and just let Torres take it
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by nvsfg on Nov 9, 2010 7:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I love it when the shortstop or second baseman catches a pop-up just beyond the infield and looks up to find Torres standing next to him.
by non sequitur on Nov 9, 2010 7:13 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I think he’s my favorite outfielder since Lofton & D-Lew.
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 9, 2010 7:15 PM PST up reply actions
you remember what game # it was? you talking NLDS, right? I dont remember that catch, but can check the compressed games and make a gif of it
I’ll look through and try to find it. I think it was in Atlanta, but I’m not sure. Not very much was made of it because it was just sop for Andres.
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let me know if you find it and i can get a gif cut out for ya
by giant4life83 on Nov 9, 2010 11:46 PM PST up reply actions
holy crap
Torres really did have a great year… which probably means he gets some votes next year. I’m pretty convinced this is the way it works— coaches vote either for the guys they got bitched at for not voting for the previous year or a popular Yankee. Thus, the cycle repeats ad nauseum.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 9, 2010 7:17 PM PST up reply actions
My favorite is the one against the Marlins. Also, LOLCody – the MLB caption for the video:
7/26/10: Andres Torres falls while making the catch in center field, robbing Dan Uggla of a base hit in the sixth inning
48 years after his heart was broken by a Willie McCovey line out to Bobby Richardson, Charlie Brown finally has his championship.
by j14 on Nov 9, 2010 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
imagine that
Cody Ross learning his lesson about hitting it toward the deepest part of the yard.
[site decorum]
I think that kid has a future in parkour.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 10, 2010 8:44 AM PST up reply actions
Torres for GG and Posey for ROY
That’s all I ask for. It’s only fair.
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"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
I could see it, but don’t care about it.
Your 2010 World Series Champion San Francisco Giants
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Nov 9, 2010 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
someone tweeted earlier in the year
"And with that home run, Robinson Cano locks up the Gold Glove."
@jdbranno
Jason
by robneyer
RT again! For prescience! @robneyer And with that home run, Robinson Cano locks up the Gold Glove.
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His only problem
was he made it look too easy. On balls that others wouldn’t even sniff or would have to dive to attempt to make the catch, he’d be waiting for it or just running it down. Needs more Jim Edmonds fake highlights.
Not sure what to do about my screen name at this point...
That’s how Buehrle did it.
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by Soulbrother16 on Nov 9, 2010 5:28 PM PST up reply actions
byrnesy-style
Bruce Bochy: Leave him alone, he's the Manager Man and his BORK is much worse than his bite.
by zodiac_chiller on Nov 9, 2010 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
As much as possible Andres always did his catches by the fundamentals book
He’d go to the spot and wait for it. he’d use two hands, the whole book. He never tried to make it look flashy or “hard”. He never faked it. And he still had some catches that looked amazing. He learned how to climb the wall pads too. Burrell said a LOT of nice things about Andres.
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
I distinctly remember a week or two where he had an amazing play almost every night
I can’t quite remember when that was though… I’m pretty sure they were @Col for part of it, and it was just a few weeks after he really cemented his spot as the everyday CF.
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2010/11/9/1804162/a-gold-glove-hope#51573186
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When were the GGs voted on?
if before the playoffs, then i hate to say it, but he isnt well known enough.
if after the playoffs, the national exposure probably gets him the award. he showed some sparkling D out there in Oct
FWIW
Boch talked to other coaches a lot about Torres during the season, and Torres is mentioned on MLB.com’s writeup about the NL GG awards.
by Natto on Nov 9, 2010 5:47 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Just saw this too
I was shocked Torres was mentioned. Props to mlb.com for once. rec’d so people notice this.
damn!! least errors, highest UZR (no idea how they measure that)
Michael Bourn, Astros: 3 errors, 8 assists, 17.6 UZR;
Matt Kemp, Dodgers: 5 errors, 3 assists, -24.0 UZR;
Shane Victorino, Phillies: 2 errors, 11 assists, 2.6 UZR;
Jay Bruce, Reds: 3 errors, 7 assists, 20.2 UZR;
Andres Torres, Giants: 1 error, 7 assists, 21.2 UZR;
Angel Pagan, Mets: 5 errors, 10 assists, 15.1 UZR.
Highest SMR (Spider-Man Rating) among all qualified outfielders, too.
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 9, 2010 5:55 PM PST up reply actions
(Seriously, I know it’s camera fodder to an extent, but the wall climb might be my favorite thing outfielders do ever.)
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 9, 2010 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
You can say that again!
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 10, 2010 8:50 AM PST up reply actions
Highest SMR (Spider-Man Rating) among all qualified outfielders, too.
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 9, 2010 6:00 PM PST up reply actions
ffffffff
how did i post that twice four minutes apart
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 9, 2010 6:01 PM PST up reply actions
LOL Kemp
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t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Not Really a Bless
Because he deserves it so much. It’s More Like a Cherry on top that won’t make the ice cream of Awesomeness taste any better, but you deserve it damnit!
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
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by slackersphere17 on Nov 9, 2010 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
(you may have missed the reference )
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 10, 2010 8:50 AM PST up reply actions
We should be higher than the Dodgers
2010 is more recent than 1988!
by Murray, Present on Nov 9, 2010 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
The Giants are ahead if you include 1904, LOL McGraw
The Giants under McGraw famously snubbed their first ever modern World Series chance in 1904—an encounter with the reigning world champion Boston Americans (now known as the “Red Sox”)—because McGraw considered the new American League as little more than a minor league.
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Apropos of nothing
A video of Tsuyoshi Nishioka, the Japanese SS we’re reported to have interest in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSviDB6s_qo
Very Ichiroian swing.
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by GiantPain on Nov 9, 2010 6:19 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
This guy has a much better hitting track record than Shinjo ever did.
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HATERS GONNA HATE!!!! still got the dude's wristbands
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Whoops
No question mark meant. He has a .790, but his best 3 years have been his last 3.
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Aren't we theoretically entering his peak years right now?
My impression was that late 20s was the best time.
And he’s a plus defender.
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Yes.
One problem is that he didn’t add any walks or power this year – it was just a huge increase in AVG (presumably BABIP), which makes it look much more like a fluke than like real improvement.
Looking at some other Japanese players:
- Shinjo lost ~80 points of OPS when he moved to the majors from NPB
- Ichiro lost ~150
- Iwamura lost ~170
- Kazou Matsui lost ~200
- Fokudume lost ~230
- Hideki Matsui lost ~250
- Johjima lost ~250
An notable exception is So Taguchi, who basically wasn’t affected by the move.
It seems that power hitter are hurt the most – Taguchi, Shinjo, and Ichiro didn’t hit for too much power in Japan, and the others did, which bodes well for I’d expect Nishioka. He’s also younger than most of the other were when they moved. Still, even if he just loses 100 points of OPS, he’s basically Mike Fontenot.
Kaz Matsui
One of his best years was 2002, when he had a .332 batting average with 36 home runs, 87 RBI, 193 hits, 119 runs, 46 doubles, 6 triples and 33 stolen bases.
You know how that translated into the Majors.
There's a First for Everything:
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He was going to get the Giants back to the World Series. I was sure of it.
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 10, 2010 8:47 AM PST up reply actions
I seriously tabbed into Chrome and thought “WTF is that uniform Timmy’s wearing?” for a split second.
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 9, 2010 6:23 PM PST up reply actions
Same
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
by slackersphere17 on Nov 9, 2010 6:27 PM PST up reply actions
very ichiro-ish swing indeed.
i wonder how nishioka’s swing would translate to MLB, because Ichiro isn’t a power hitter, he’s more of a slapper, yet nishioka looks like he’s got some power
Ichiro has more power.
There's a First for Everything:
Edgar Renteria, The First World Series MVP in Giants History.
Alot people that have played with Ichiro say that if he wanted to hit for power he could hit 20-30 homers a year
Ichiro can basically do anything he wants to.
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 9, 2010 8:09 PM PST up reply actions
If Ichiro wanted to reverse the Earth’s rotation, he’d make it happen.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 10, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
I heard the same thing
But he prefers to hit for a higher average
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
like i said above, Ichiro is a once-in-a-generation or longer talent.
i doubt we’ll see another player come over from Japan and have the success he’s had.
by giant4life83 on Nov 9, 2010 11:48 PM PST up reply actions
hmm
I also want the Giants to win everything because I’m greedy. I want Torres to win a Gold Glove and Buster Posey to win Rookie of the Year because I’m greedy. The championship was like that first bite of human flesh. There’s no turning back. I want more championships, and I want my favorite players to win all the awards, and I want to invade other ballparks when the Giants play, just so the rest of baseball knows that it’s Giants Nation all up in their yahd, and I…
That’s odd. I didn’t mean to drop that last “r” in “yard.” It just happened. Hmm. Curious. Also, Andres Torres should win a Gold Glove. He’s wicked good.
So this is gradually going to become the new zeitgeist of this site, eh. We’re all going to become greedy, Red Sockian-level assholes. Ah well. It was worth it.
I get it now even more than I did before the BoSox won and became annoying douches...
…perhaps, like us, they’ve had plenty of solid unsung talent but little to show for it. Over 80 something years Boston had its fair share of excellent players who deserved better but never saw it. I’ m finding I get increasingly frustrated when some new bandwagon turdface claims that Burrell sucks because he couldn’t get anything done in the WS and Guillen had that six run game and blah blah blah and I find myself asking “Do you and I even follow the same team?”
The answer is, actually, no.
And I don’t think it’s wrong to think that this should be seen as a beginning, rather than an interruption before another five decades of quiet Novembers. Will we repeat/threepeat/etc? I have no clue. But we’ve got a team that legitimately earned this title, and much of the younger talent that helped make it happen is signed for the short to medium term. If we can continue to fill holes left by departing veterans/free agents the way we did this season, there’s no reason to think we shouldn’t be contending again for awhile. It’s not arrogant on our part to expect as much.
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
Question about UZR
It seems to me that fielders playing in larger parks would have an advantage as they are able to get to more balls. Specifically AT&T where right fielders shade heavily to triples ally and can appear to be covering more ground. Even if they adjust the zones for the right field, AT&T seems like it would be favorable to a right fielders UZR because of the fact they shade to right center and have little ground to cover down the line.
DOUBLE SWITCHES AND MATCH-UPS, THAT'S WHAT BRUCE BOCHY DOES!
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by slackersphere17 on Nov 9, 2010 6:50 PM PST up reply actions
Best Post season pitcher EVARRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Is the award voted on before the playoffs?
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Jeremy Affeldt induces strained obliques
by Giant among Angels on Nov 9, 2010 6:35 PM PST reply actions
I sadly have no hope for Torres winning the gold glove
Dicktorino will probably win
OT: This 30 for 30 on Marcus Dupree is really good
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Was watching Ice Road Truckers instead.... kinda wanted to watch that 30 for 30
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I would recommend catching a replay
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if not that, i'll probably get that on itunes
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
I remember his stint with the Rams.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
This
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
by slackersphere17 on Nov 9, 2010 7:03 PM PST up reply actions
That’s odd. I didn’t mean to drop that last “r” in “yard.” It just happened. Hmm. Curious. Also, Andres Torres should win a Gold Glove. He’s wicked good.
Yeah, that would be a wicked pissah if those bassterds down in NYC stole it from him.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
How many of you have seen this?
http://www.pitchershiteighth.com/2010/10/29/2010-nl-gold-glove-predictions/
I got a response to a response I left saying this:
“As for UZR and ZR, I believe that both are useful evaluation tools and both suffer from inherent assumptive flaws that are naturally present for most compilative statistics. That’s completely a sabermetric issue and a completely different story, and it’s not even relevant to this particular discussion. For this discussion, I simply determined that ZR has been a better predictor of GG awards for outfielders for the past 3 years than UZR when combined with a few other stats. It’s not an exact science, but it’s better guesswork than one might imagine.”
Anybody want to post another comment to this person? Like maybe “Torres better win, buddy, or you’re toast”?
Doesn't that hurt the case for ZR if it is predicting GG?
Personally I think the methodology behind FSR is the quite sound when you consider what you are trying to measure. Assuming the sample sizes are robust, it should be the best measure for defense.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Ethier??
I thought he was awful
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He take strange routes to the ball
Which for me is why some of his catches look “good”. Any other outfielder would make those plays routine. Ethier is however the best OF for the bums though I guess it’s not saying much.
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t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
pitcher shit eighth
am i the only one reading the url that way
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Does this mean catcher shits ninth?
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 10, 2010 8:54 AM PST up reply actions
Considering that Torres has ADHD, winning a GG would be that much more amazing.
Warning, angry Giants fan on the loose.
Why Pablo is going to have a bounce back season next year:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/kung_fu_panda_the_kaboom_of_doom/trailers/11126222
Kung-Fu Panda sequel.
the last thing he needs is anyone calling him the kung fu panda or any references made.
he was too young to market as heavily as the giants did, they put too much pressure on him
I know Sabean helped us win a championship
But you don’t need to believe every piece of bullshit that comes out of his mouth.
There may be a kernel of truth in the B.S.
Not what Sabes said . . . but the fact that the G’s pushed Panda-mania limits their options in dealing with him. How do you trade or send to the minors the guy who sells all those Panda hats?
by NiceGuysFinishEtc on Nov 9, 2010 7:59 PM PST up reply actions
exactly. the marketing scheme was genius, yes, but not for a kid with 1 year under his MLB belt.
by giant4life83 on Nov 9, 2010 11:49 PM PST up reply actions
my favorite Sabean Moment
His post “i had to trade Armando Benitez” KNBR interview because Ralph Barbieri, according to Sabean, forced his hand. It just happened to coincide with Benitez, who was a bad signing to begin with, blowing multiple games.
[site decorum]
if benitez doesnt blow those games, we dont get posey. draft effect
by giant4life83 on Nov 9, 2010 11:50 PM PST up reply actions
So what you’re saying is, is Brian Wilson is ruining this team.
by The Double Deuce on Nov 10, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
Wilson was drafted in 2003, waaaay before Benitez balks in that run.
by giant4life83 on Nov 10, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, that is going to happen.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 10, 2010 8:54 AM PST up reply actions
It’ll happen as soon as they stop using Aerosmith’s “Dude Looks Like a Lady” for any movie where a guy dresses in drag.
or
“Takin Care of Business” for every montage involving building or fixing or practicing something.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 10, 2010 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t wanna dampen the mood or anything, but it kinda saddens me to think about what Andres could have accomplished if he’d been properly diagnosed and straightened out his swing early in life. Think about it – he’s a guy with plus speed, plus power, and incredible defensive range. If he started developing plate discipline and hitting for power at 22 instead of 32, he’d have been on a mind-blowing career path.
Obviously, if that had happened he wouldn’t have been on the Giants and then the 2010 World Series would have gone to the God Damn Dodgers, with series MVP SIRM. (That’s how it works, right?) It’s just a little sad to contemplate, looking at the unbelievable dollars-per-WAR value he gave us this season, what he could have been if someone had helped him out a decade ago.
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 9, 2010 7:33 PM PST reply actions
True, but...
How much more amazing must it be for him to have this all happening now? To spend about a decade grinding in AAA, right on the fringe between the bigs and minor league obscurity and watching your chances of really making it grow smaller as the years go on.
Then to have every aspect of your game come together so wonderfully at the same time, and for that time to be a year where you help lead a team to an unexpected world series victory for the first time in over half a decade… How awesome must that now feel with the perspective gained from his experiences? We can ponder these kind of what-ifs, but I’d bet it’s never even crossed Torres’ mind this season.
This is exactly why I want Andres to win basically everything.
He won’t get the free agency opportunities the rest will, because of the bizarre arbitration rules that are intended to release players to their full earning potential at their peak, but in fact are about to restrict Andres for potentially his entire useful career – even after he was released by what, 3, 4 teams?
Posey will visit the WS again, win GGs, and make a buttload of money. For Torres – without diminishing the silly amount of money even an unlucky ball player makes – there could have been so much more but for bad coaching early in his career. He worked his butt off for years to get this far, and I’m happier for him more than anybody else. Now, he deserves a golden glove, simply to say “you didn’t just make the major leagues, for at least one year you were the very best centre fielder in the National League”
by sarf_london_niner on Nov 9, 2010 8:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Technically, one of the three very best outfielders in the National League.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Yeah but everybody knows golden glove are half given for the bat. And it’s not really the literal meaning of the award – he was the best all round centre fielder by WAR in the NL, and he deserves an(y) award for that. Something to look back on when he’s old and grey, with his shoulder slumping several inches due to the sheer weight of jewellery he worse round his neck his whole life.
by sarf_london_niner on Nov 10, 2010 4:24 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
How is this awesomeness not green?
The Giants are 2010 World Series Champs. … And in other news the forecast calls for a rain of toads, heavy at times, with moderate to strong swarms of locust and a high likelihood of a world quake. Details at 11.
Beautifully put.
Sabean delendus est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
my understanding is that he was properly diagnosed, but choose to not accept that he had ADHD and didnt take the meds, then when his career was reaching a point where you either gotta make it or move on to something else, he started taking them, reworked his swing, and ended up with us.
part of me wishes what you said, but the other part of me sees this as a complete success story, an inspiration. that, and we def DO NOT have Torres if he is that good from 22.
by giant4life83 on Nov 9, 2010 11:53 PM PST up reply actions
He was also told to be a slap hitter because he was quick, all the way through his time in the majors – he didn’t spend time learning to drive the ball until 2008. He had a bit of an Ichiro swing at first, leaving the batters box almost before he hit the ball.
There’s a summary here, with excellent pictures half way down.
by sarf_london_niner on Nov 10, 2010 4:38 AM PST up reply actions
I hope Posey wins the inaugural Buster Posey Award
- awarded to the most ass-kicking rookie catcher who leads his team to World Series title while dreamy
Proud adopted parent of the ball dudes, who have grounded into 109 fewer double plays than the Giants.
There will only be one ever handed out.
No one will ever do that again.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
On the subject of gold glove defense..
San Francisco Giants 2010 World Series Champions
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for !Matt Downs .
Freddy's on Lopez tonight!!! OMG!!!
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
by PiKAgiant on Nov 9, 2010 8:01 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
my favorite freddy play of the regular season
To close out the Rockies on September 1st.
Oh snap
That was the Darren Ford game.
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=11623747
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Probably. He did make a very similar play to that the day before, also against the Rockies.
I never realized
When we signed Freddy how good his defense actually was. He definitely plays GG defense. Too bad he won’t get one though.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Darren Ford’s peak as a major leaguer right there. Also, UbLOLdo.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 10, 2010 9:01 AM PST up reply actions
Ubaldos like man, I gotta get off this team and play for the Giants
by giant4life83 on Nov 10, 2010 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
WTF the Giants won the World Series.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
by jponry on Nov 9, 2010 7:56 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I’ve been using that as my “calm down” mantra when work gets too shitty or friends bring the drama. Between “The Giants won the World Series” and “Edgar Renteria” whenever I feel like I’m too sore/lazy/hungover to do something I really need to do, I think I’m set.
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 9, 2010 7:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I never get tired of seeing that...
How R this realz??
by Artimus Clyde on Nov 9, 2010 8:03 PM PST up reply actions
WOO HOO!!
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 10, 2010 9:00 AM PST up reply actions
i think you may have been drunk
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
The Legend of the Giants fans
They’re gonna love this back east.
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
Was it Roy Halladay?
http://dailyphiladelphian.com/2010/04/11/halladay-a-true-horse-for-red-hot-phillies/
His first loss...
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=7676993
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
LOL Bill Simmons
The movie poster if Judd Apatow ever made a baseball film: http://www.montrealgazette.com/sports/3773205.bin?size=620×400
http://www.montrealgazette.com/sports/3773205.bin?size=620×400
Cain=Seth Rogen
Lincecum=Paul Rudd
Wilson=Zach Galifanakis with a mohawk
I’d watch that.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 9, 2010 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
We ought to completely re-imagine these characters.
Cain: Kevin Spacey
Lincecum: Michael K. Williams
Wilson: Ian McShane
by non sequitur on Nov 10, 2010 12:30 AM PST up reply actions
still looks shopped
can’t possibly be real. the giants winning the world series? LOLWUT
"Reynolds struck out as many times as I did in high school, and I’m not talking about baseball." - Duane Kuiper.
Nate woulda had that.
by MonochromeGarden on Nov 10, 2010 1:26 AM PST up reply actions
Seth Rogen as Matt Cain
Jay Baruchel as Tim Lincecum
Jason Segel as Brian Wilson
I can see it.
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 9, 2010 8:41 PM PST reply actions
REPLY FAIL
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 9, 2010 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
Zach Galifinakis as Pablo Sandoval. (Before you object, I submit Royce Clayton as Miguel Tejada in Moneyball.)
by Murray, Present on Nov 9, 2010 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
as far as OF GG's go
It’s worth mentioning that the outfield GGs are not pursuant to individual positions- could very well be 3 CFs/LFs/RFs. I can’t really think off the top who else is out there that would give Torres a run for it, but there seems to be a lot of love for Jason ‘looks-like-a-meth-head-i-hope-the-giants-dont-sign-him’ Werth; Michael Bourn (pshhh); and Matt Kemp (i wish he wasn’t a Dodger).
I dont know – i think he’s got a solid chance.
[site decorum]
Matt Kemp
Was shit with the glove, no way he wins one this year. Had a UZR of like -24
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Well in fairness
Jeter’s UZR is nowhere near as bad as Kemp’s. His UZR is -4.7.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
According to this guy
Jeter is really not good defensively.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 10, 2010 9:07 AM PST up reply actions
No I don’t think he really is good defensively I just don’t see him being as bad as Kemp.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
but you also said, "he was shit with the glove, no way he wins it"
which means people who are bad defensively wont win it.
then i countered with jeter.
Ok
That didn’t come out the way I intended it to be read I guess. Jeter is a pretty bad defender, he isn’t as bad as Kemp. Should Jeter have won? No way but of course Jeter won because he’s Derek Jeter. I don’t see Kemp getting it because he was so horrible and doesn’t have the reputation Jeter has. All I was saying was that in terms of UZR Jeter’s isn’t as bad as Kemp’s.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
It's still bad
but he is not on the same level of suckage as Kemp is with the glove.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
True, but there were public comments about Kemp’s poor defense from dear ol’ Ned, so I doubt managers and coaches gave Kemp much favor this year.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 10, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
dylanohernandez Dylan Hernandez
Japanese IF Tsuyoshi Nishioka wants to play on the West Coast: http://tinyurl.com/24ff3x6 #Dodgers #SFGIants #SDPadres #Diamondbacks
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
NOTHING COMES CLOSE TO THE GOLDEN COAST
LOL Mariners.
Diamondbacks WUT.
by Murray, Present on Nov 9, 2010 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
The Mariners do love them some Japanese players.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Don’t we have a big Japanese following?
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Nov 9, 2010 9:50 PM PST up reply actions
It ain't Shinjo's dang fault that he was forced to DH in the World Series!
He was a weak bat and a brilliant fielder at a time when we could afford to stomach a few weak bats. (See Pedro Feliz – 2008 Phillies)
Look at my website. Look at it. || I had some other text here but then the San Francisco Giants won the World Series
Man, i finally sobered up from the parade.
And now it is time for awards. Also hot stove league. What a time.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Nov 9, 2010 9:48 PM PST reply actions
My opinion on UZR...
I certainly believe its a useful stat, but I think some people put way too much weight on it. Personally, I don’t see how you can really differentiate between a +2 defender and a -2 defender. There is a good amount of subjectivity involved with UZR, and it requires a huge sample size in order to properly be used, so anytime I see a player with a UZR in the range of -3 and +3 I don’t think much of it. However, anytime I see a player with one extreme or the other, such as -15 or +15, I definitely make note of it. So in my book, Torres and his 21.2 UZR definitely deserves a Gold Glove
I agree with most of what you said, except for the part:
There is a good amount of subjectivity involved with UZR
There is ambiguity in it, but there’s really not much subjectivity. That’s the whole point of TZ, UZR, ZR, and other defensive metrics: they more or less take the subjectivity out of the equation.
Are they not all . . .
. . . ultimately based on someone’s eyeballs? Gridded video screen, reviewed judgements, care taken, all that—but in the end literally subjective. Not so? Is that not why so many people are wetting their pants over FIELDf/X? (Which still has some issues.)
Sabean delendus est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
The real problem with UZR...
Small sample size.
More Torrgasms!!
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=11790433
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=11617859
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=11220715
(Randy Winn!)
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=9716947
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=9397993
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=9564223
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=9662923
(VROOM motherfucking VROOM)
Mas Torrgasmos!!
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=8804599
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=8833867
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=9002003
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=8992307
(What a strike)
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=8631351
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=8089991
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=8686147
(My favorite second favorite)
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=7991299
(Close favorite)
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=7675857
(NVM this is my favorite)
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=7665615
(Even pigeons cannot distract Torres)
BRAAIIIIIIIINNNNNSSSSSSS
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 10, 2010 7:52 AM PST reply actions
TWSS
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 10, 2010 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
This post reminded me of Yamid Haad.
Not a lot of things in the world remind me of Yamid Haad.
by The Double Deuce on Nov 10, 2010 10:21 AM PST reply actions
I love this glorious quote on Jeter from mlb.com:
“It has all come up to a very high level,” Yankees infield coach Mick Kelleher said of New York’s longtime captain. “Whether he’s fielding ground balls right at him, a slow roller going to his right on the backhand, popups into the outfield, balls to his left, the double-play pivot. Break it all down — whatever you want on defense — and try to find somebody better. I haven’t seen any.”
Yep, Jeter is the best at balls hit right at him.
*past a diving Jeter*
Look at my website. Look at it. || I had some other text here but then the San Francisco Giants won the World Series
LOL's about how Jeter desereved the vote.
“In my opinion I think he’s well-deserving,” the scout said. "I know his range is not as good as a lot of other guys, but aside from that, I still think he’s above average."
"You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to see that his range is declining, but that’s age," the scout added. "He’s still very good. He’s not able to move left and right as well as he used to, but he always seems to be standing in the right place at the right time."
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/yankees/2010/11/scout-jeter-deserved-gold-glov.html
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Nov 10, 2010 10:46 AM PST reply actions
Lateral range isn’t important with rocketry.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 10, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
notice how torres's picture is him crashing?
they just want to tease you
by Wreckonized on Nov 10, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
Oh man
Since I became a Giants fan, the main CFs have been:
Darryl Hamilton
Marvin Benard
Calvin Murray
Tsuyoshi Shinjo
Marquis Grissom
Jason Ellison
Steve F******
Dave Roberts
Aaron Rowand
…and Andres Torres.
We deserve this Gold Glove, ye baseball gods.
They could be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
Darren Lewis was really, really good out there.
He was smooth, fast, and caught just about everything.
by mrs. owlcroft on Nov 10, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
Sadly
He was already a Dodger by the time I started following the Giants. :(
They could be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
And we traded him for...
…for a few months of Deion FUCKING Sanders.
by haemaker on Nov 10, 2010 12:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Don’t forget Kenny Lofton for several gloriously mercurial months.
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 10, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
I know I feel more stressed out now than I did during Game 5.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Nov 10, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
HORRIBLE
NL Gold Gloves: Y. Molina ©, Pujols (1B), Phillips (2B), Tulo (SS), Rolen (3B), CarGo/Victorino/Bourn (OF), Arroyo (P) #MLBAwards
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
The year of disappointment continues...
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Nov 10, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
>:(
Look at my website. Look at it. || I had some other text here but then the San Francisco Giants won the World Series
ROLEN!!!!!! PHILLIPS!!!!!!!
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Nov 10, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
Yes! And in fact this list includes mostly people who are top 4/5 in UZR/150 for the position.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Nov 10, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
From Neyer
Colorado’s Carlos Gonzalez pretty obviously won the Gold Glove with his bat. He deserves some credit for playing all three outfield positions, but there’s not much evidence that he played any of them particularly well. Let alone brilliantly. Maybe Gonzalez would have been more impressive if he’d stayed in one place long enough to get comfortable. But they probably shouldn’t hand out Gold Gloves based on maybes.
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
Colorado’s Carlos Gonzalez pretty obviously won the Gold Glove with his bat the humidor.
by kingofthacove on Nov 10, 2010 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
I'm starting to really dislike Shane Victorino.
by mrs. owlcroft on Nov 10, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
Welcome! We have some cookies.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 10, 2010 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
Especially since he is a horrible fielder. I go to like 20-40 Phillie home games a year and Victorino’s only good thing about his defense is his speed. He takes the wrong first step 99 out of 100 times. He probably would have got that ball at the fence in the LCS if he could learn to take the right first step.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Nov 10, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
cargLOL
GITP:: Rowand The Renteria Game Logs!
by coolandtough on Nov 10, 2010 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
The Molinas have copyrighted their last name now?
by kingofthacove on Nov 10, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
Is Yadier trying to force Bengie to disassociate by copyrighting the last name?
by kingofthacove on Nov 10, 2010 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
That’s some bullshit. I know the Gold Glove awards are silly, but I wanted Torres to win one. He deserved it. Whatever, he won the Gold Glove of my heart.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 10, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
this is bullshit. the GGs are a fucking crock
by giant4life83 on Nov 10, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
Well, can't win everything
Apparently Giants won it all via pitching and magic. Defense not necessary.
/Win the inning
//Renteria - Still not a VD but I crush a lot
///Willism is Realism
Buster Olney laughs.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 10, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
UGH terrible
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Gold Gloves are a joke
At this point, when someone mentions them, they’re usually saying “Player X plays gold glove caliber defense”— no one even bothers with whether you’ve won or not, because I think everyone realizes the award has a pretty terrible track record at this point. So I will be perfectly content to say that Andres is providing “Gold Glove type defense” next season, and I’m pretty sure no one will question me on that.
Awards are generally kind of stupid and arbitrary in a sport that’s based so heavily on stats— the gold glove is the worst of them.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 10, 2010 12:49 PM PST reply actions
when someone mentions them, they are basically saying “he caught a few balls and hit some home runs”.
It never has much to do with the actual fielding stats
by giant4life83 on Nov 10, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
Most of the MLB awards are jokes. There’s really no reason getting bent out of shape about them anymore. The talent evaluation of the game has evolved, the voters have not.
I can't fight this feeling anymore!
except that elusive Triple Crown. someone ever wins that someday, ill be goddamned. if its ever broken, it butter go to someone who deserves it, like Pujols. it just better not be some player with “odd” home/road splits that plays 81 games at Coors, like Tulo.
Hell, the 500-500 club of Bonds, I don’t think will be broken for a very, very long time. No one has even hit 400-400 yet. Alex Roriguez is close, but he may never steal another base. Players that steal mass bases and hit mass HRs seems nearly extinct. Big time superstars like Bonds and Griffey Jr, those are couple of the best players we may ever see in our lifetime.
by giant4life83 on Nov 11, 2010 12:28 AM PST up reply actions
I think Andres will be happy with the gold World Series ring on his finger
Something CarGo and Bourn know nothing about. Go fuck yourself Gold Glove voters.
Ricky Martin second coming?
aww, just when i was starting to like him :(
by giant4life83 on Nov 11, 2010 12:30 AM PST up reply actions
He could do it too!
Ah well, here’s to next year. WE all know how good he is. Its nice to have secret weapons.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
ballssssssss
Andres: most underrated OFer in the majors?
I had to move 3,000 miles away for the Giants to make the postseason.
Nah.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Nov 10, 2010 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
Probably. He’s top 5 in WAR among OF. How many people do you think would name him if they were asked “Who were the top 10 outfielders in baseball this season?”
by kingofthacove on Nov 10, 2010 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
Joe Posnanski has an interesting take on the GGs
I was talking with an editor about how the Gold Glove voting works, and something struck me that I had not thought about before. You probably know that the Gold Gloves are voted for by managers and coaches. And really … this is the only award they’ve got. They don’t vote for the MVP, for Rookie of the Year, for Cy Young, for Manager of the Year, for the Hall of Fame, for almost anything. They vote for the Gold Gloves. That’s it.
And I think that, in many of their minds, the Gold Gloves probably take on a larger meaning. Sure, it’s about defense. But I wonder if for many it really is about rewarding those players who PLAY THE GAME RIGHT. The advanced stats always suggested that Ken Griffey Jr. was overrated defensively, but he won the Gold Glove every year, in part, I think, because the way he played appealed to managers and coaches. There are a lot of guys like that. And if you look at the Gold Gloves that way — not as the best defensive players, exactly, but as the players who most appeal to managers and coaches for the way they play — it starts to make a whole lot more sense.
That doesn’t explain Shane.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Nov 10, 2010 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
Someday Torres will learn how to play the game right
I hear you can take classes for that. It’s where Matt Cain took courses on learning how to win.
Those paid off!
can someone post that picture of andres staring up at the world series trophy.
How prophetic was that?
Hmmm
Torres CF
Sanchez 2B
Huff RF or 1B depending
Posey C
Burrell LF
Belt 1B or RF depending
Uribe SS
Sandoval 3B
Cody is 4th OF, making spot starts for all three outfielders.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
The point was more about fitting Belt into the lineup
And I’d bet Uribe returns, and I hope Pat does.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Very much hope Pat does . . .
. . . because that is an offensive force not readily replaced on a team that has other holes to worry about.
Sabean delendus est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Nope
No GG for Torres, just announced: Rectum Face, CarGo and Bourn.
"I signed up for this job, the day I was born" - Brian Wilson, Ninja
What if I came here broke?
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 10, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
That's awesome
How did they find all those Giants look-alikes and get them to pose with a replica trophy?
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below .500
"You never wake up the baby." - E. Renteria, 01 August 2010
Lowering the Quality of Internet Discourse Since 1985™
by S.F. Giangst on Nov 10, 2010 6:13 PM PST up reply actions
YYEEESSSS!
/ does snoopy happy dance
The Giants are 2010 World Series Champs. … And in other news the forecast calls for a rain of toads, heavy at times, with moderate to strong swarms of locust and a high likelihood of a world quake. Details at 11.
Let us take a moment
And remember the year the voters got it (mostly) right: 1993.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Don't get chopped, y'all
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2010/11/10/1806338/wednesday-afternoon-nonsense
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I'LL GET 'CHOPPED IF/WHEN I WANT TO GET 'CHOPPED
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 10, 2010 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
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