Eric Hacker flies the coop?
Jerry Crasnick is reporting on ESPN.com that Fresno starting pitcher Eric Hacker, he of the 16 win record this past season, has signed a major league deal with the Minnesota Twins. Apparently Hacker was a FA due to his 6 year minor league service time. Smart move for him in terms of opening up a possible major league career. With our pitching staff, he wasn't going to get an opportunity to pitch in SF in the near future, barring a big spate of injuries. We've seen the success that some of our older castoffs like Matt Palmer and Kevin Correia have been able to attain away from SF in recent years, so it will be interesting to watch Hacker's progress.
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Good for him.
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by Smotheredinhugs on Nov 9, 2010 10:39 AM PST reply actions
Hope he gets a shot somewhere.
Our upper minors are bereft of starting pitchers now. You can see this year’s Fresno stats here:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/team.cgi?id=41859
Look at the top pitchers by IP: Bumgarner’s in the majors, Pucetas is gone, Martinez is gone, now Hacker. Our AAA rotation now consists of Yourkin and Sosa. Time to stockpile some journeymen arms?
I feel kind of like Yourkin is a better pitcher than people are giving him credit for. I’m not sure why he’s being so roundly ignored (including by myself.)
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This is the first time I’d ever really given him any thought. He’s 28 and this is his first year starting. His numbers are pretty similar to Joe Martinez. So, it’s helpful to have an extra Joe Martinez around in case of injury, but is he worth any consideration beyond that?
by Monkeyking42 on Nov 9, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
AAA Rule V pick!
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Yikes. At least we have that big-league rotation to fall back on…
Without any additions, what does the AAA rotation shape up to be? Yourkin, Sosa, Maday, Willis, Mixon? Oliver Odle? Craig Westcott? Hmm, maybe Tanner starts at AAA?
Perhaps a young Fresno blogger starts “Waiting for Surkamp” this offseason.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Nov 9, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
Without a doubt Sabes will sign some AAAA vetrean pitchers to minor league contracts. He can’t just hang the Fresno affiliate out-to-dry. They’ll probably also put at least 1 prospect in AAA that shouldn’t be there. I would guess Tanner or Westcott, but who knows.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Eh, I don’t know why Tanner doesn’t deserve to be there (anymore than say Pucetas didn’t or Hacker for that matter). He doesn’t have the stuff to be a major leaguer, but he was successful in his own fashion in the EL. I don’t see that his performance there necessitated sending him back, anyway. He can go be mediocre in the PCL just as easy as he can go back to being mediocre in the EL.
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Yeah, I didn’t meant that they didn’t deserve to be there, just that it would be better for their development if they weren’t there. As you noted, though, if you have no faith in their ability to develop into major league contributors then it really makes no difference if they’re at Fresno or Richmond.
Of course, in the past decade the Giants have seemed to me to be an organization that tries to provide their minor league affiliates with players that are playing below-level rather than the reverse. Other things being equal, they sure seem to like to give them a chance to compete for titles and draw more fans.
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That is definitely true. Even with the relatively peach-fuzzed Tanner on the staff I think the Richmond rotation still had an average age of about 26, and SJ and SK’s rotations were both significantly old for their leagues as well.
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maybe Fitzgerald could skip AA and go straight to Fresno like Pucetas did.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 9, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
Don’t forget about Runzler.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
This
Best of luck to him, hope he turns in to the next Liriano, oops, that one still kind of hurts.
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by Giant Torture on Nov 9, 2010 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
Also extending my best wishes to Hacker.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 9, 2010 11:25 AM PST reply actions
good for Hacker
kinda surprised he got a major league deal, though.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 9, 2010 12:16 PM PST reply actions
Why didn't they trade Hacker?
If someone else was interested in Hacker being a part of their big-league rotation, why wasn’t he dealt before the end of the season? I know something like this can be somewhat hard to see coming, but even if you only get a bag of balls and the other team only gets the inside track on signing him, why not?
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+1
Maybe they looked into it, but I doubt it. It seems like BS & Co. neglected a lot of long- and short-term planning due to their attention being focused mainly on getting the Giants into the postseason and then winning it all. There really was no excuse for them not to be ready with contract offers and offers to negotiate with their FAs the day after the WS ended. It’s not as if BS & Co. didn’t have any free time during the playoffs and WS to sit down together and work on their plans. The FO really seemed to be mind-wandering during the postseason. There were many IFAs that were signed while the Giants were playing. I’m not saying that the Giants should have signed any of them, just that they shouldn’t have seemingly gone into slumber mode during the postseason.
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Oh c'mon
You’re really speculating when you try to guess what the front office is doing. Just because something doesn’t go the way you think it should.
Take Huff. For all we know, both the team and Huff agreed that they both wanted to a deal, but Huff didn’t want the distraction during the post-season and the team wanted to address other priorties first. From Huff’s comments I think this is a very realistic scanrio.
There really was no excuse for them not to be ready with contract offers and offers to negotiate with their FAs the day after the WS ended.
And this is just flat out wrong. The correct thing to do is not get caught up in the emotion of the WS win and presume your FAs are the only out there. If they’re taking they’re time to evaluate all their FA options, that’s a prudent strategy.
People here have ripped Sabean for being too quick to hand out contracts ( like Renteria’s), now you’re on him for not being quick enough. Geez.
As for Hacker, I HGIHLY suspect there wasn’t much of a market for him. Doesn’t his 6 years of service time carry over to whoever would have traded for him? If so, why would team trade for him when he could just walk as a FA like he did with the Giants? Just because the Twins signed him doesn’t mean they would have been willing to give up player(s) for him.
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I'm not enamored of this tone when I get it
it looks worse here. I don’t disagree with what you’re saying but “geez” and “c’mon” is unnecessary.
IMO. YMMV.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 9, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
You misrepresented my point. I didn’’t write that Sabes and his minions should have been handing out contract offers immediatlely after the season ended to every FA. I wrote that they should have been ready with a plan on what they were going to do as soon as the season ended. What exactly were they doing during all the free time that they had during the playoffs? The World Series took 6 calendar days, what was BS doing during that time that didn’t allow him to meet with his employees and hammer out a plan that took in all contigencies? It’s not as if he had to be working the phone lines to work out a trade for a player that he could plug into The WS roster. The Giants knew way back in September that the deadlines for FA and arb had been changed, yet BS was not ready for it.
And I’m not just speculating that BS was not up to speed. Here’s excerpts of 2 posts from after the WS clincher by Baggs where BS confirms that he’s behind in his planning:
FROM NOV 3rd (2 days after the WS ended):
In most years, the Giants would be further along in negotiations with their own free agents before their window of exclusivity closed. But they didn’t sit back and watch the World Series on television this year, and under new rules, players now become free agents five days after the final out – reduced from the customary 15 days.
Vice president Bobby Evans said the front office held meetings Tuesday, but they did not expect to announce any deals before 9:01 p.m. Sunday, when free agents are free to sign with any club.
But the Giants might not have all those answers ready for us tomorrow. For obvious reasons, club officials are waaaaay behind where they usually are at this time. They’ve barely held any kind of organizational meetings, and Sabean alluded to that during his TV appearance.
"In the next couple days we’ll have a series of conference calls what we should do internally, what we want to do with our own people free-agent wise before looking to the outside world," Sabean said.
FROM NOV 4th (3 days after the WS ended):
But the Giants might not have all those answers ready for us tomorrow. For obvious reasons, club officials are waaaaay behind where they usually are at this time. They’ve barely held any kind of organizational meetings, and Sabean alluded to that during his TV appearance.
"In the next couple days we’ll have a series of conference calls what we should do internally, what we want to do with our own people free-agent wise before looking to the outside world," Sabean said.
What was keeping BS and his minions from having those meetings and conference calls in the past few weeks?
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
I for one, could barely function at work or home during the month of the post-season. Every day was just a countdown until the next game. I don’t think it’s that extraordinary to think the front office didn’t have the desire or focus to really go through the hours and hours of meetings necessary to assess players and needs top to bottom.
Do we really think they were in state to or should have been making cold eyed personnel decision on players who were at the very same time actively involved in trying to bring the season’s endeavors to their ultimate success? Nor do I think it’s all that harmful that they weren’t ready to make offers to their FAs during the 5 day negotiating period as I would guess the players certainly weren’t ready to hear them yet anyway.
As the old saying goes, you should never make an emotional decision, and the post-season was certainly a time of high running emotions.
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by FluLikeSymptoms on Nov 10, 2010 8:43 AM PST up reply actions
I really love the honesty on this site.
I got some stuff done because there were deadlines. But I was blathering much of the time, and obsessing about getting somewhere by 5 p.m., and setting the recorder and all.
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by foothillsfan on Nov 10, 2010 9:51 AM PST up reply actions
You’re misreading my point. My point is not that BS & Co, needed to have all of their final decisions on who they would retain, who they would re-sign, and which FAs they would target the minute the WS was over. Obviuosly you want to be able to have all of what happens during the postseason as data points. However, they should have had the preliminary meetings and phone conferences where you plan for all of the contingencies that you can think of. BS is getting paid a considerable salary to get these types of things done.
All teams were notified back in the middle of September that the deadline dates had been changed.
1. Players would automatically become FAs (without even filing) 5 days after the WS ended, in place of the previous 15 days. That mean teams only had 5 days after the end of the WS to exclusively negotiate with their own FAs.
2. The arb tender deadline date was moved back from Dec. 1st, to Nov. 23rd.
3. The arb acceptance deadline date was moved back from Dec. 7th to Nov. 30th.
4. The Rule V draft would likely be moved back from Dec. 7th to Nov. 20th.
BS & Co, should have been prepared for this.
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Rule 5
has anyone worked up a list yet or seen one on the net for SFG eligible minor leaguers?
by repeat_in_2011 on Nov 10, 2010 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
Well I believe that would include all the college players drafted in 2007, so guys like
Jackson Williams
Brock Bond
Craig Clark
Daniel Turpen
Michael Ambort
Steve Edlefsen
Joe Paterson
Shane Jordan
Kyle Nicholson
Johnny Monell
Oliver Odle
Dan Otero
Chance Corgan
Andrew Reichardt
David Mixon
TJ Brewer
Andy D’Alessio
I’d say Brock Bond is the guy most likely to be nabbed out of that group. I suppose Jax could be nabbed by somebody as a backup catch and throw guy, except I wouldn’t be surprised if the Giants add him to the 40 man before we get there. And I suppose somebody could take a flyer on Monell or Edlefsen or even Turpen.
We should maybe include Wendell Fairley on that list, who was a HS draftee, but he was 19 when they signed him which puts him on the 4 year side of the divide.
Then you get the HS players from 2006. That would be
Clayton Tanner
Matt Klimas
Some of the UDFA who’ve been around for 5 years:
Jose Casilla
Kelvin Marte
Jose Valdez
Eliezer Zambrano
Jose Medina
Wilmin Rodriguez
Julio Izturis
Edward Concepcion
Ehire Adrianza
Jose Flores
Jose Medina
Wilbur Bucardo
A few live armed possibilities from that group. Obviously Jose Casilla and Ehire Adrianza would be at risk. I’m sure Adrianza will be added to the 40 man. If I were a team I think I’d sue a Rule 5 pick on Wilmin Rodriguez. I think he could stick in a team’s bullpen for a year easily.
And lastly of course you have all the guys who were eligible last year and weren’t picked, college guys from 2006 (Mike McBryde, Tyler Graham, Brad Boyer etc) and HS of other players signed at 18 or younger from 2005 and earlier.
I’m sure I missed a few, but that’s a decent start. I’m guessing they add Jax, Ehire, and maybe Clayton Tanner and Jose Casilla to the 40 man, drop Brett Pill and perhaps Alex Hinshaw. At greatest risk to be gone are I think Brock Bond, Wilmin Rodriguez, and Tanner and Jose Casilla (if not added).
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
by Roger on Nov 11, 2010 7:05 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
As for Hacker, I HGIHLY suspect there wasn’t much of a market for him.
I agree with this.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
God damn this team for being so focused on winning a World Series that they didn’t spend time ensuring they got maximum value for Eric Hacker!
by FluLikeSymptoms on Nov 10, 2010 12:06 AM PST up reply actions
I think the true answer to GT’s question is: a) because this is the kind of transaction teams do in November – February to increase their inventory going into ST, not the kind of transaction teams do in July – September; and b), because Hacker is the kind of guy you might spend a little money on, but not the kind of guy you spend talent on.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
well said
that pretty much sums it up
by FluLikeSymptoms on Nov 10, 2010 8:43 AM PST up reply actions
Usually I would agree with that
However, the way that the Twins pounced on him, makes me think that there was some sort of market out there, even if that market was simply a warm body to sit on the bench in Richmond. It’s pure speculation on my part, but pitching is, was and will continue to be at a premium if the Giants can get something of value for guys like Joe Martinez, why not Hacker?
*Also, this should not be construed as complaining, pursuant to my commitment to never complain about the FO again since they won the WS.
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by Giant Torture on Nov 10, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
Brute could probably speak a little more authoritatively on the topic, but the more I think about it the less I can come up with any examples of mid-season trades involving only minor league players. I’m really wracking my brains to come up with even a single example of the phenomenon in my memory. They aren’t terribly common even in the offseason, but in-season I think they might be a serious rarity.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
I was a little surprised they did not call up Hacker in Sept. I guess he was not on the 40 man roster?
I would have liked to see what he could do.
And who would you have cut from the 40-man roster to get Hacker in for that inning or two? (Okay, Jose Guillen, fair enough, but there’s no way the Giants were cutting him.)
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by EliminateMe on Nov 10, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
Congrats, Eric
Although I do worry a little about the immediate depth at starting pitcher. Currently, the Giants don’t have a sixth starting pitcher on the roster. The closest things are the oft-injured and recent reliever Henry Sosa, or Waldis Joaquin, who hasn’t started double-digit games in any one season.
If anyone might get added, I’d see Clayton Tanner, although more for Rule 5 protection if my math is right. Possibly Maday.
It’s not the end of the world. There are more Todd Wellemeyers and Eric Hackers out there. But it’s one thing that the team should address in the offseason, so they don’t scramble if something happens, whether bad (injury) or good (Zito trade).
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by BruteSentiment on Nov 10, 2010 12:46 AM PST reply actions
Zito trade… Maybe mid-season 2013.
But we really do need another starter, just somebody to take the ball 2 or 3 times, if a starter goes on the 15-day DL. Any longer than that and a trade is going to be needed.
Maybe the Runzler-as-starter thing will pan out at least well enough to keep him in the mix.
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by S.F. Giangst on Nov 10, 2010 1:56 AM PST up reply actions
I agree that I worry about the depth. And certainly, the baseball world is full of Todd Wellemeyers and Eric Hackers. But in the end, I think the way this team is constructed, they can’t afford to have a Wellemeyer or Hacker taking turns in the rotation for any substantial length of time. Another month of Wellemeyer last year might well have been the difference between just making it and just not making it to post-season.
So something, essentially, needs not to happen. Which is unfortunate, because something really does like to happen.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
then there’s 26 year old David Mixon and 30 year old Felix Romero, both Flying Squirrels last year and eating some innings.
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by foothillsfan on Nov 10, 2010 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
Surprised he got a major leauge dealB
But good for him, especially considering he didn’t even crack SF at all.
But yeah,
I wouldn’t be surprised if the giants pick up a lot of SP depth for Fresno. I’m sure there are alot of Matt Kinneys or even Pucetases out there that can do the job.

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