Mea Culpa
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 8, 2010 2:23 PM PST
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One of the best parts about the Giants winning the World Series: going back and laughing at the steaming piles of wrong. It wasn’t nearly as funny to do the same after the Giants finished an awful year. Going back and revisiting posts that suggested that, oh, Lance Niekro was the best option for the organization at first wasn’t funny. It hurt. Well, it did before the Giants won the World Series. Now it’s funny again. That’s another fringe benefit of a championship – Dan Ortmeier references just aren’t as bittersweet as they used to be.
But back to those steaming piles of wrong. It’s funny to go back into the archives, start at the beginning of the year, and just roll around in the wrong. You might have already read this one today:
Any scenario in which the Giants contend is a scenario in which Sandoval has another outstanding season.
Whoops. Turns out Sandoval can be dreadful for most of the season, and the Giants can still come out with a division title and a shiny, shiny trophy.
The Giants' offense isn't saved. The finality of this move probably stings the most. DeRosa's ability to play the infield and the outfield allowed the Giants one more substantial move, and they blew that flexibility on a commitment to Aubrey Huff? That kind of stinks. There were better players out there.
Heh. Ahem. The lesson I’ll take away from Huff this year is that if a player has had a couple of All-Star caliber seasons in the past, and he isn’t on the wrong side of 35, maybe he deserves a little more trust. Like Edgar Renteria.
Edgar Renteria might be the worst starting position player in baseball. He’s at least in the discussion.
Well, that aged well. Though I could always counter with this post. Maybe I should edit that one and change the year to 2010. Maybe I should edit all of these and just delete this post. I can do that, you know. But I realize it would be intellectually dishonest to go back and edit a post after the fact...
I’m trying to think of a happy ending to the Bumgarner-lost-his-velocity story, but I really can’t. Not in the short-term, at least.
Wait! I thought of a happy ending! Is it too late? Is it too late to share? Because I totally thought of one. Bumgarner could get his velocity back, turn into an above-average starter down the stretch, and make four appearances in the playoffs that range from good to dominant as the Giants win their first championship in San Francisco. It’s a great endi…
Yeah. Kind of far-fetched. Just ignore that ridiculous ending.
Brian Sabean has built a terrible offensive team for the sixth-straight season, yet he has all kinds of job security. Bruce Bochy has absolutely no idea what makes a good offense good and a bad offense bad, so even in the off chance that Sabean stumbles into some offensive talent, Bochy has no clue how to use it. Pablo Sandoval ate Eugenio Velez, and now Velez is controlling Sandoval like Kuato from "Total Recall." The once-magic starting pitching is looking tired and ineffective every...single...freaking...night now.That's not magic inside, and I demand a refund. At least hook me up with a free thing of garlic fries, please.
Maybe that was a little strong. I still don’t trust Sabean’s offensive philosophy, but I can’t hear myself complain over the sound of the World Series trophy twinkling in the sunlight.
Wrong. It was all wrong. I used logic and reason to predict that Aubrey Huff was, if anything, going to have a pleasantly mediocre year at best. I figured that Aaron Rowand had a $12M death-grip on his job, and that there wasn’t any way there would be a 119 OPS+ with Gold Glove defense coming from center field. When the Giants re-signed Bengie Molina, I thought, well, there goes any chance of the Giants getting good production from the catcher’s spot this year. And I was wrong. Beautifully, wonderfully wrong.
Of note, though, is that I didn’t have to sit in a special section as I watched the parade. They didn’t give special t-shirts to the fans who refused to be critical. I enjoyed it just as much as the blind optimist, but I can sleep at night under a warm blanket of smugness, self-satisfaction, and intellectual honesty. It’s really, really warm under here.
Comment starter: Your turn to find the stupid things you wrote. There’s a search function here. You can dig through the archives here. It took me, like, twenty seconds to find something stupid I wrote. Try to beat my record, except with stupid things you wrote!
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""I’d like to be a crossword clue one day. I want to be in The New York Times’s Sunday edition. Right now, the clue ‘Giants great’ is always Mel Ott. I want my clue to be down, not across. The down ones are usually harder. And when I’m the clue, I’ll fill it in — just that one — and frame it. " - Brian Wilson.
Mrs. Disaster will be surprised.
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“Guess what, honey, you’re a lesbian!”
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
JD’s dangly parts are fake?
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2010 5:43 PM PST up reply actions
It’s the weight of the secrecy that’s the biggest burden.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2010 5:50 PM PST up reply actions
This, my friends,
is the circle jerk we’ve been waiting for. Just follow giant4life to the logical conclusion.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Nov 8, 2010 11:21 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
I'm still in the old thread.
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Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Nov 8, 2010 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
I resemble that remark
I'm feeling...I feel like I want to rage. Right now. - B. Wilson
by fjm on Nov 8, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
ESPN ended its 20-year association with Jon Miller and Joe Morgan as the voices of "Sunday Night Baseball" on Monday. They declined to renew Morgan’s contract and have asked Miller if he wants to stay on as the radio voice of the Sunday night games.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
Good
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 8, 2010 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
Good News Everyone ?
San Francisco Giants 2010 World Series Champions
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for !Matt Downs .
I have mixed feelings on this. More Miller on Giants games is good, but if he liked doing the ESPN work then I feel bad because I like Miller and I want him to get to do what he wants.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 8, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
It kind of sucks because he was just about the only good announcer on national tv, but it’s hard to get upset as a Giants fan cause, you know, more for us.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
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I do like that part very much. Screw ESPN, Jon, hang with the Giants.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 8, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
IMO Morgan ruined it
Miller was good but those broadcasts were bad. If he wanted to keep working for ESPN then I’m sad for him, but selfishly I’d be happy if we Giants fans could have him all to ourselves.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 8, 2010 7:56 PM PST up reply actions
agree
Morgan was definitely on my nerves by the end of the year, maybe because he seemed to think that he knew way more about baseball than Jon, the non baseball player. the only bad part about this is that I kinda liked Jon’s national presence: it was kinda cool to say, “oh yeah, I hear him on the radio 4 times a week. No big deal.”
Heard via Schulman’s twitter that Miller was souring on ESPN SNB. He was getting sick of the travel.
"What’s that, Buster? You asked for a bicycle? Well, sorry. Santa brought butt floss instead."
I can imagine
Jon Miller must be exhausted after six or seven months of basically non-stop travel. Just the work he did to be there for both ESPN radio playoff games and Giants playoff games in October would have killed mere mortals.
A more relaxed Giants-only schedule will be better for his health and better for our ears.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
Not to mention all of the behind the scenes man hours he put in trying to
get to the bottom of the Colorado Rockies Humidor controversy.
I don't mind JT so much
I’d much rather have Miller, but I think it would be kind of interesting to have a different ex-Giant in the booth on Sundays. JT, Richie, Will Clark, whoever is around.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 8, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
especially given the incredible prevalence of east coast teams on Sunday Night Baseball
that must’ve added up to a lot of coast to coast flights.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 8, 2010 7:58 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, weekends without Miller weren’t as fun.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces strained obliques
by Giant among Angels on Nov 8, 2010 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
Now that Miller doesn’t have a contract, here’s a dream scenario: Fox dumps Buck and McCarver in the post-season and replaces them with Miller and a less annoying color analyst. Lou Piniella, maybe.
When McCarver did one season in San Francisco...
he constantly screwed up Pedro Feliz’ name, he called him Pedro Felix.
Oh God not Lou Piniella.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
It’s not often you hear “Lou Piniella” and “less annoying” used in the same sentence.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
That sucks
As much as i’d like Jon to do all Giants home games, the national broadcasts are just going to suck even more now. probably will be Orel.
Dan Shulman is really good. I wouldn’t mind Shulman/Orel.
"What’s that, Buster? You asked for a bicycle? Well, sorry. Santa brought butt floss instead."
Neither would Shulman, amirite?
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I believe JD was playing off of the 1st name of Hershiser
I don’t care how his name is spelled
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It’s a good thing that Steve Sax favorite player wasn’t Hershiser and named his son after him or else his son would be Orel Sax.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Orel’s sister Anal is the one you really gotta look out for.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 9, 2010 9:48 AM PST up reply actions
Probably should have gone with Anel there.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2010 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
apparently this is a joke that only works when spoken orally.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 9, 2010 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
If the joke is that Orel sounds like Oral, the extension of that should be that something sounds like Anal. Anal does not sound like Anal. Anal IS Anal. Anel would be the appropriate Orel analogue.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
I once knew a guy named Anil.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 9, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
WOW! The jokes… so many… so little time…
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 9, 2010 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
PLEASE STAY WITH THE GIANTS ALL THE TIME NOW JON
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I thought the Lance Niekro thing was pretty funny.
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I can’t get hoppin mad if they cut Torres. I’m pretty sure we saw the best year of Andre’s career last year. I’ll be surprised if he lasts all of 2010 with the Giants.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. “The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played.”
by ResDog on Apr 20, 2010 3:55 PM CDT reply actions
I can't fight this feeling anymore!
by ResDog on Nov 8, 2010 2:31 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
I no longer get frustrated with losses, in fact I was cheering for San Diego to try to make a comeback so we can be further out and give up before the deadline.
Once you stop caring about the wins and losses, it makes it much more enjoyable. I can look at Madbum’s location and see how he approaches CarGone the second time, I saw the way Posey approached his 2nd and 3rd at bat, and I actually was pleased with this game.
I mean, once Madbum was out, there was only one reason left to watch, and that is to see if Posey can get another hit.
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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
GTFO Cornball!
Say it ain’t so!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 8, 2010 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
I miss Lars already.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2010 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
Wait, what?
What happened to Lars? Did we ban him on accident for something?
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
He’s back!
Yay!
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
D'awwww
Agreed, if the giants win 90+ xanthan goes.
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Shouldnt' sfoakbay have been the one to bring all this back up.
And Lars did vanish for that short bit.
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s ---
Bochy: WHO GIVES A SHIT? IT'S WHATEVER I SAY IT IS BECAUSE I WON A WORLD SERIES.
ADIOS LA COMPUTADORA
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Nov 8, 2010 5:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
UNPLUG HIM NAO
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LOL ME
The Dodgers are Rockies are, I think, still better than us. I think the Diamondbacks will improve with Webb healthy and because they generally underperformed last year, but I don’t know if they’ll be better enough to be better than us. If that makes sense.
“Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?” – sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Jan 30, 2010 2:33 PM PST actions
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
I do miss my “banger stud” sig, though!
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
Lol
“Any scenario in which the Giants contend is a scenario in which Sandoval has another outstanding season.”
if Pablo returns to form, it’s like we got a better Werth for free. or at least the offensive side of him
by giant4life83 on Nov 8, 2010 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
In the playoff rosterbation thread, everyone kept saying Ford was ineligible unless someone got injured. My response:
“Punches Renteria in the face
GUESS WHO’S ELIGIBLE NOW!”
I suppose I picked the wrong person to punch in the face.
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
You were onto something, but Kuiper described it better with his "torture" remark.
“It’s pure, unfiltered frustration to watch this team. "
/skims old threads …
Man, everything I ever wrote is brilliant. I CALLED A BOUNCEBACK FOR RENTERIA! CALLED IT!
A few years ago I wrote a couple thousand words about how we should sign Andruw Jones to a five-year contract, and then he immediately turned into the worst player in baseball. But in my defense, he outplayed Aaron Rowand this year!
I’ll refrain from linking to my Cody Ross/Javier Lopez post again…
was with you on Rent's bounceback
I won’t link to numerous posts where I said Javier Lopez was “basically Geno Espenelli”
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--Daisy Owl
@Viliphied
Renteria had bad luck ever since he clotheslined Mike Fontenot in June of 2007. When the Giants got Fontenot this year, he got to apologize and make amends. He then proceeded to win the WS MVP. This is why he wants to come back for another season. He feels as though the curse has been lifted, and wants to see if he can make a real comeback.
what happened now? I don’t remember this
by giant4life83 on Nov 8, 2010 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
I had no idea either, but here it is...
at the end of the day it's all about kicking the tires
by duke_diligence on Nov 9, 2010 9:03 AM PST up reply actions
shocking graphic violence
i am vapored
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
is there a link for anymore of the back story on this?
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 9, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
Hilarity!
Torres sucks.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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Join my club.
“I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs.” – Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Apr 19, 2010 8:09 PM PDT up actions
What’s the first rule?
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond.
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP’s
by Giant among Angels on Apr 19, 2010 8:13 PM PDT up actions
The first rule is that Andres Torres is fucking terrible at baseball.
“I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs.” – Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Apr 19, 2010 8:15 PM PDT up actions
I would love to see Torres win the Gold Glove. He’s deserving.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 8, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
This
It would be a shocker though, because he’s actually the best defender at his position and they rarely win.
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by Giant Torture on Nov 8, 2010 6:53 PM PST up reply actions
How did Nyjer do this year?
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
He had a deeply awful year. Disastrous at the plate, UZR way down. Didn’t hit 1 WAR for the season.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
Yikes
Neal Huntington: still pretty smart.
Though the prospect he chose to gamble on didn’t turn out so well.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
Got clotheslined
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
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His photoshopability skyrocketed though.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, he's like Aubrey Huff, but can't hit as well or field his position.
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s ---
Bochy: WHO GIVES A SHIT? IT'S WHATEVER I SAY IT IS BECAUSE I WON A WORLD SERIES.
404. Ball not found.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
At least I didn’t mince words.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
Well, I figure that I can always mince them later if I need to eat them. But I can’t unmince them if I decide I’m not hungry.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 6:17 PM PST up reply actions
That’s when you stuff them into a sausage casing and cure them.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2010 6:17 PM PST up reply actions
Oh Yes
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 9, 2010 7:27 AM PST up reply actions
After a brutal 9-0 loss to the Cardinals.
Grant = modern day Nostradamus?
Don’t worry. Cody Ross will fix everything.
He's not retired...THANK YOU!
by baybruin415 on Nov 8, 2010 2:50 PM PST reply actions 6 recs
Surprisingly, I am less of an idiot on McC
But Facebook:
Predicting which MLB teams will make the playoffs this year: Red Sox, Yankees, Mariners, White Sox, Phillies, Cardinals, Braves, Rockies.
March 30 at 10:40pm
The thing is, it happened.
You got 3/8! That’s not horrible.
Welcome to McCovey Chronicles: Calm down
From now on, every day is Thong Thursday!
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I'M A GIRL
by Prussian Creole on Nov 8, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
Okay, here's a fun one
Rockies
Dodgers
Giants
Dbacks
Padres
“I never watched baseball on TV. It’s slow and boring. I’m not a fan. Never was.” – Jeff Kent
by Yoyo on Jan 30, 2010 8:09 PM PST reply actions
The thing is, it happened.
The search function isn’t working on my computer right now, but I think I called something like 85 wins and a third place finish behind the Rockies and Dodgers. I may have even said fourth behind the Diamondbacks. Hot damn, me.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 8, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
From the end of July's 7-game losing streak:
Looking forward to watching the second half with no expectations of any success. Liberating, in a way.
I know it’s natural to lose a lot of hope after a skid like that, but I was completely convinced that they would not be able to pull themselves out of 4th place at that point. The idea of climbing to third for more than a day or two seemed like a a wild dream. My biggest worry was that they would try to add anyone by the trade deadline, as it all seemed like a waste. Enjoy the rest of the year leisurely and hope for better luck next year.
Let it be known
that I predicted a World Series matchup between the Giants and Rangers. 100% accuracy, thank you very much.
That I’ve been making the very same prediction, a la Chris Berman and his Niners/ Bills Super Bowl, is immaterial. The upshot of it all is that I’m probably psychic and you people should be giving me money. I can be reached privately for PayPal instructions.
er...
should read “been making the very same prediction for 20 straight years”
by biff pocoroba on Nov 8, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
Psychic but poor at constructing sentences…I’ll keep my money, thank you very much!
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 8, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
Damn this word putting together unability!
by biff pocoroba on Nov 8, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
Huff’s trade value is the highest it has been in years and is likely higher than it will ever be for the rest of his career…. This is the perfect sell-high opportunity for Huff, and should be used to net prospects from a contender starving for power at the corners.
by dregarx on Jun 23, 2010 2:48 PM PDT
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
as proud co-conductor of the "Sell! Sell! Sell!" train
I will be lazy and admit to this right here.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 8, 2010 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
I probably backed this idea too. I really thought the Giants were 2 years from seriously contending, so that’s how I was thinking. Silly me.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 8, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
It turned out to be wrong, but it was a very reasonable position to take.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
I think a lot of the incorrect statements were fairly reasonable. Most people predicted Huff to not be very good, seeing the Giants re-sign Molina was discouraging, it was reasonable to expect the pitching to regress a bit. Happily, baseball enjoys toying with reality.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 8, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
in August it looked like a good idea
fortunately the trade deadline had already passed.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 8, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
Did anyone predict that MIller and Morgan would no longer do ESPN games?
If so, it looks like you were right.
finally, our long national nightmare is over
Hershiser will save us from Jon Miller!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 8, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
I was just about to post this.
As not-great as Morgan is, I’m shocked to see them get rid of Miller. Dan Shulman isn’t terrible, but he’s no Jon Miller.
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Nov 8, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
I’m sure it’s a cost saving measure.
Sucking up to Grant for a mod position since 2009
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
I hope he says no to radio and can do Giants games on Sundays.
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Nov 8, 2010 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
It may be a travel related thing for Jon… in addition to the cost of having a Hall of Famer in the booth.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
Looks like.
hankschulman
Rumor has Jon Miller not returning to Sunday Night Baseball on ESPN. I heard during playoffs he was tiring of the travel
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Nov 8, 2010 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
Ironic....
with the Giants winning the WS, it would stand to reason that the Giants would get more air time on ESPN Sunday Night Baseball, that is of course if the Yankees/Red Sox/Phillies/Mets/Cardinals aren’t on that night.
You forgot
/Rays/Cubs/Dodgers/White Sox/Angels/Braves
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Nov 8, 2010 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
I think Joe Buck’s got 8 more years
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Nov 8, 2010 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
Uh, I believe it's for the rest of my life
If that witch I pissed off a few years back is to be believed.
"I signed up for this job, the day I was born" - Brian Wilson, Ninja
by Giant Torture on Nov 8, 2010 6:56 PM PST up reply actions
yeah
it’s two extra flights every single week. That would get tiring, even though he’ll still do plenty of travelling.
Sucking up to Grant for a mod position since 2009
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
I have a feeling I could start my own blog with how wrong I have been this season.
For starters GRANT STOLE MY IDEA
But lets see
I mean can’t you just imagine Sabean sitting his office talking to this puppet on his hand about "Oh-Beep" and "slug"?
From here
LOL ME
Zito’s offseason discovery: Portal to 2002.
why do I get the feeling there is some strange groin rituals going on in the Giants locker room?
/blames Huff signing.
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2010/4/30/1453346/gamethr3ad#36476593
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, he's like Aubrey Huff, but can't hit as well or field his position.
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s ---
Bochy: WHO GIVES A SHIT? IT'S WHATEVER I SAY IT IS BECAUSE I WON A WORLD SERIES.
LOL Duanel Jones
Especially in the wake of the Molina signing, I am willing to lampoon the offseason as a disaster…. if you gave me a choice between these free agents and signing 10 Duanel Jones-type players using the same money, I’d take the Duanel Jones’s.
by dregarx on Jan 23, 2010 4:24 PM PST
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
speaking of Duanel
Whatever happened to…ah shit. I’m drawing a blank here. The Dominican player a lot of McCoven wanted us to get, and then he signed with the Cardinals, and then he had a degenerative eye condition so they revoked the contract, and then there were rumors we might sign him for a lot less. Did he ever end up anywhere?
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
He signed with the Padres
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
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Wagner Mateo Signs With Arizona
Mateo, one of the top prospects to hit the international free agent market last summer, completed a deal with the Diamondbacks for $512,000.
The signing ends a nearly year-long saga for Mateo, who had agreed to terms with the Cardinals for a $3.1 million bonus last year that was announced on July 2, the first day of the 2009 international signing period. But Mateo, now 17, did not pass his physical with the Cardinals after the club discovered an issue pertaining to his vision, and the deal fell apart in September, putting Mateo back on the market.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
Oh, I didn't read JCB's comment
I thought he was asking about where Duanel Jones signed
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
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Oh, I didn’t read [poster]’s comment
I think your experience accurately reflects a great deal of internet communication.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
by Ott on Nov 8, 2010 7:36 PM PST up reply actions
I usually read them
but I just saw “Duanel Jones…Where’d he end up?” and answered
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
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Wagner Mateo
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
La la. nothing to see here
Torres is loosely translated in English to: I blow donkey cock
by DFARowand on Apr 23, 2010 8:24 PM PDT reply actions
I’m sorry Andres!
Andres blows donkey cock and you eat crow. Nice.
"Thank you, Coach (Theus). I'm about to kill y'all this half." --DeMarcus Cousins
I'm willing to admit that I stuck up for Jose Guillen on more than one ocassion. And on only two ocassions did he do me proud...the rest of the time
he made it extremely difficult to want to justify his playing time over Ross/Nate.
Don't normally do projections
But this year I did one for Sandoval:
AB: 524
AVG: .318
OBP: .368
SLG: .546
HR: 28
That’s why I don’t normally do projections.
Anagram of "SF Giants World Series Champs" = SHARP, ORGASMIC, ENDLESS SWIFT
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Nov 8, 2010 3:15 PM PST reply actions
Oh man, I've got a great one
I’m going to break out a little math
Let’s say Burrell hits like he did during his last season in Philly (not that I expect him to, but I feel like this is the absolute best he’ll do). According to Statcorner park-adjusted wOBA, he would be worth 16.7 runs above average per 600 PA’s. Let’s also say that Nate hits at a conservative -5 per 600 PA’s. That’s a difference of about 22 runs.
Now for defense: Burrell’s career UZR/150 is -7.8. Ignoring aging (oldjacket, help me out!), let’s call Burrell -8. Now, Nate’s career UZR/150 is 23.1. I have a hard time believing Nate is one of the greatest defensive outfielders of all time, and he’s only had about 1290 innings (or its equivalent) out there. I’ll regress him about 50% of the way toward average to about 11 runs. That’s a difference of about 19 runs.
So: basically, the difference between the best case scenario for Burrell and a conservative estimate of Nate is about 3 runs in Burrell’s favor. Nate please.
Aaron King is still my homeboy… iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
by baetown415 on Jun 9, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 8 recs
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
After much searching I have concluded that I offer pretty much nothing of substance to this site. I searched and searched and found almost no comments that related to the actual San Francisco Giants Baseball Club and its players. It’s almost embarrassing.
All I found was this little gem:
I should probably note that I’m not against Sandoval moving to the 3 slot (I agree with that), but Huff as a "legitimate cleanup presence" just sounds depressing. I have my doubts that he can outperform Bengie in this role.
I guess this means I’m not an optimist when it comes to Huff making a comeback. And I tried so hard to avoid pessimism this offseason.
I’m as tall as Mel – why can’t I hit 500 home runs?
by Ott on Jan 13, 2010 3:06 PM EST actions
Just happens to be from my own fanshot on Huff being announced as the new cleanup hitter. It was the first reply. To my own fanshot. I AM PATHETIC.
However, since my lack of meaningful comments has clearly led to a Giants world series victory, I hereby resolve to be even less useful and on topic in the future.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
What’d you have for lunch?
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 8, 2010 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
Leftovers! But that happened to include awesome homemade enchiladas, so it was tasty!
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
by Ott on Nov 8, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
I somehow missed the 2 World Series homeruns, but otherwise was pretty close
270/310/370
His power is gone, bone spurs be damned. Hr: 4
but at least, well, no, there are no bright spots with Edgar, except that he’s Colombian and probably keeps the clubhouse well stocked
by Mrbasepaul on Feb 22, 2010 8:40 PM PST reply
Edgar’s 2010
276 .332 .374 .707
After the 7-game losing streak
You know, at the end of the season, we probably will have forgotten all about this stretch of games. We’d chuckle and think, “I don’t remember that happening. How about that.” I envy our future selves. The Giants will probably win a game some time in the near future. Maybe. In the meantime, we can wallow in self-pity and despair. Hey, it’s something we’re all good at! I think I’ll eat this box of ice cream sandwiches.
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2010/7/2/1550459/post-game-thread-giants-drop-7th
haha, I said this
So hooray for series loss.
There is no way this team in beating Jimenez the way they are playing right now.
The Giants proceed to hang 7 runs on Jimenez in the 3rd inning including the Ishikawa GS.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, he's like Aubrey Huff, but can't hit as well or field his position.
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s ---
Bochy: WHO GIVES A SHIT? IT'S WHATEVER I SAY IT IS BECAUSE I WON A WORLD SERIES.
WE HAVEN’T EVEN HIT THE ALL STAR BREAK YET!
WHO KNOWS WHAT WE WILL GET IN A TRADE!
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
by scout6 on Jul 2, 2010 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, he's like Aubrey Huff, but can't hit as well or field his position.
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s ---
Bochy: WHO GIVES A SHIT? IT'S WHATEVER I SAY IT IS BECAUSE I WON A WORLD SERIES.
Hey!
I made an accurate prediction in that thread!
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
IT WAS A CHORE!
Man, it’s really a chore to watch the Giants right now.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Jul 2, 2010 9:25 PM PDT reply actions
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
we should have an entire we're-sorry-Andres thread
I detect an utter lack of withering contempt directed at the noodly bats of Torres, Velez and Renteria.
by wcw on Mar 16, 2010 4:13 PM EDT
only since Bumgarner’s arm fell offby wcw on Apr 17, 2010 5:36 PM EDT
did Sabean mix [Lopez] up with Sean Marshall?by wcw on Aug 12, 2010 6:36 PM EDT
This was easy for me
But Lopez is pretty bad, even against lefties. I’m not looking forward to seeing him face Gonzalez (SD and COL version) or Ethier late in a close game.
Ladder? No thanks, I’ll keep digging.
A trade that not only gave up useful pieces, but it might also cause our team to lose games because of the way Lopez will be deployed.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
HA! I was on the Lopez bandwagon from day 1
One of the few things I predicted well this year.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
Bochy lulz
If we throw out Bochy, the Giants would be undefeated.
“I never watched baseball on TV. It’s slow and boring. I’m not a fan. Never was.” – Jeff Kent
by Yoyo on May 14, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
The thing is, it happened.
The pitching was historically good last year.
Expecting that kind of performance every year is far fetched.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
by scout6 on Jul 2, 2010 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, he's like Aubrey Huff, but can't hit as well or field his position.
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s ---
Bochy: WHO GIVES A SHIT? IT'S WHATEVER I SAY IT IS BECAUSE I WON A WORLD SERIES.
I definitely expected pitching regression. Just how historically good can the Giants pitching be? Apparently there are no limits.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 8, 2010 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
they are levels above other teams, at this point. closest i would see is Philly, but they don’t have that great 4th starter, nor the rock-solid ’pen that we have.
On top of that, our front 3 pitchers are better than “h2o”
Yeah, we’re streets ahead of Philadelphia in every way.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Nice Community reference
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
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"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Do it.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
If you don't know, your street's fine.
... with spicy club sauce.
by withclubsauce on Nov 8, 2010 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
Bochy
Bochy shouldn’t you be managing?
by fjm on Jul 19, 2010 10:36 PM MDT up actions
What do you think the odds are that he wins manager of the year?
I'm feeling...I feel like I want to rage. Right now. - B. Wilson
I think Black has it in a landslide.
They were not even supposed to sniff .500 this year.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, he's like Aubrey Huff, but can't hit as well or field his position.
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s ---
Bochy: WHO GIVES A SHIT? IT'S WHATEVER I SAY IT IS BECAUSE I WON A WORLD SERIES.
Black will definitely get votes
I’m not sure if the post season is taken into account—hard to imagine Bochy not getting some writers’ votes. Then again, these same writers gave the Giants no chance whatsoever to win the World Series. Their argument, as it turns out, was invalid.
I'm feeling...I feel like I want to rage. Right now. - B. Wilson
by fjm on Nov 8, 2010 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
I’m not sure if the post season is taken into account
I’m assuming it’s not taken into account, because that’s how all the postseason awards seem to work.
Also, the last three times a Giants manager won the award:
1993 (didn’t make playoffs)
1997 (swept in three games)
2000 (lose the NLDS 1-3)
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
also
How the hell Roger Craig didn’t ever win the award is beyond me. Best Giants manager of my lifetime, bar none.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
Should have been MVP in 1985, too.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
YEAH EXCEPT HE FUMBLED IN THE NFC CHAMPIONSHIP COSTING THE 49ERS A THREEPEAT!!!
by JSing on Nov 8, 2010 4:22 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Roger knew how to manage a pitching staff as well as anyone. He hated rookies unless their last names were Clark or Thompson in other words, rookies who played like season veterans
"I always knew I was going to be thrown at. I was old-school, so I didn't care, as long as they hit me from the neck down.'' Hac-Man One Flap down Jeffrey Leonard
by Penitentiary Face on Nov 9, 2010 9:19 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t know that that’s fair. For one the team took a huge leap of faith bringing Clark and Thompson up to start ‘86, as Thompson hadn’t played above AA and Clark hardly played in the minors at all (and not above A ball).
In addition, other rookies who received significant PT under Craig over the years included Mike Aldrete, Charlie Hayes, Matt Williams, Kurt Manwaring, Steve Decker, Darren Lewis, Mark Leonard, and Royce Clayton. Even Mike Benjamin (not a Hit King) was kept around as a UT player by Roger. You could probably also add to the list Chris Brown and Jose Uribe — he inherited them both from Davenport, but at least Uribe was having a rookie year that didn’t necessarily inspire confidence to keep him there. And Bob Melvin came to Craig with 87 major league PA on his resume.
It’s not surprising given how long Craig had been there by that time, but it deserves repeating that the great 1993 team had 6 everyday starters whose major league careers had been nurtured under Roger Craig’s watch.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
Bruce Bochy: Manager of the 2011 NL All-Star team.
Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!
nailed it
Freddy Sanchez will hit for a high average b/c he’s a high average hitter
He will also be injured b/c he’s an injury prone player.
Bonds stands alone.
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 11, 2010 2:01 PM EST up actions
"There was no torture in the end. Only rapture." - Mike Krukow
2010 Giants: World Series Champs
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 8, 2010 3:33 PM PST reply actions
Does anyone know how Exec of the Year voting works?
I know all player-related voting is due in by the first playoff game, and I think Manager of the Year voting works the same way, but what about Exec? I’m still not a big fan of Sabean, but I can’t think of any other GM that did anything close to what Sabes did this year, though the playoffs really showed his great work.
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
This was in the how the season will end thread. Not sure what I meant here.
Sabean is like McNulty, always trying to do the right thing, but the way the organization is structured, he can’t do it and has to go outside of normal channels to get his work done. Sabean will probably be arrested any day now
by Mrbasepaul on May 25, 2010 7:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Bochy is Freamon??
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Nov 8, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
Bochy would be Daniels in that scenario, right?
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
I think that there needs to be more Wire related reference in this world.
by VigilanteSteve on Nov 9, 2010 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
Okay, I'll go next
Winning the World Series is even more awesome than 154, but let’s hope it doesn’t take 8 years until the next one.
Did I do it right?
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
Baseball is the best sport in the world, and this thread is a good example of why.
San Francisco Giants ***GLORY ACHIEVED 11/01/10***
by Skaldheim on Nov 8, 2010 3:46 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Wow
This thread is full of fail from me.
I like Looper he’s gotten about as much time on MLBTR as Ryan Garko. Another guy who I wouldn’t hate would be Todd Wellemeyer but Looper is the better pitcher.
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
by Gobroks on Jan 28, 2010 5:02 PM PST up reply actions
.Utility infielders for $3M are luxury items
It’s a shame we don’t have 3 ML ready utility infielders,like Frandsen, Rohlinger and Downs, that would be making the league minimum this year.
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
by Gobroks on Jan 28, 2010 4:54 PM PST reply actions
And yes, you can include my Frandsen sig in my wrongness
.
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
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I repeatedly predicted rowand was gonna be a postseason hero.
he did get that one triple…
"Life is like a grapefruit. It's orange and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
Ted Williams: .406 1941
Gary Brown: .438 2010
by operation carrot on Nov 8, 2010 3:52 PM PST reply actions
also: missed the cutoff man and threw out that Phillie at home plate!
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 8, 2010 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
There was gold at the end of that rainbow!
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2010 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
Hey, all this Mea Culpa’ing seems to have broken the Search function (“Sorry Sports Fans, but something went wrong”), thus saving me from finding all of the idiocies I spouted this year. I do know I thought Andres Torres was likely to fade back into minor league journeyman obscurity, predicted Huff to hit something like .210/.211/.212, and ripped my proverbial hair out in ST 2009 that they kept Uribe over Frandsen. Also, I was one of the charter members of the “Use Wilson for Trade Bait” school of thought a couple years ago. That’s enough stupidity for now.
Oh, and I hated the Franchez trade and excoriated the Renteria signing for two solid years.
I take mild solace in always being a supporter of Dirty, though (as opposed to a Dirty supporter — EW!)
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
Oh man. I don’t know if I ever said so here, but I was definitely on the trade Wilson bandwagon as recently as last year.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
by Ott on Nov 8, 2010 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
I supported that idea too. As a ninja, Wilson knows it too. Thankfully he hasn’t visited to pay me back yet.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 8, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t know that I ever posted it, but down the stretch I thought if the Giants made it to the postseason, Zito should be in the postseason rotation instead of MadBum, because of the Verducci principle. Even after the NLCS, I thought Bochy should have found a way to smuggle Zito onto the roster — but as insurance for Dirty rather than MadBum.
my only mistake all year:
Molina had a cheesy gordita crunch injection in his ailing left elbow last Wednesday …
And the worst part, those fukin’ douchenozzles over at the MCC get to lord this over us.
search is down but im pretty sure i was against bringing uribe back. too much hack
"Life is like a grapefruit. It's orange and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
Ted Williams: .406 1941
Gary Brown: .438 2010
by operation carrot on Nov 8, 2010 3:58 PM PST reply actions
I think Im in this line
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, WORLD CHAMPION SAN FRANCISCO GIANT
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
11/1/10
FUCK NO
Don't Trade Monta
Bush is on Fire!
Huff likes it raw
by JohnnyDangerously on Nov 8, 2010 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
I remember predicting that both Garko and Ishikawa would be worth more WAR than Aubrey Huff this year. Not because I loved them that much, but because I hated Huff that much.
And honestly, I still think they should probably let Huff walk, barring a one-year hometown discount deal. 34-year olds coming off career years are rarely a good investment. But hey, maybe I can post this on 2011’s equivalent of this thread!
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I disagree strongly with all the McCoven posts that want a 2-3 year deal for Huff.
The Giants should give him a fat 1 year contract for next year and take a couple of nice draft picks next offseason.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
Pay him more in the one year. Also, we’ve already offered arbitration.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
I’ve forgotten the arb rules again. He’s a free agent now, but we can still offer him arbitration? And if he declines it and signs somewhere else, we get a pick?
Yes. And yes. In this case it will be a sandwich pick. I’d really like to have him for exactly one more year though because he’ll probably be a Type A next offseason.
And my first sentence is a little off (“Pay him more in the one year”). Obviously I can’t assume that more money on the one year deal will overpower longevity of contract from the other bidder. So more specifically, I mean that if we can outbid them with a one year deal, do it, and if not, yes, I would let him go.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
If he’s a Type A free agent and signs elsewhere, we get that team’s pick, plus a comp pick. If he’s a Type B, we just get the comp pick. He he’s neither, we get jack shit.
Have they announced who’s type a and type b yet? I’ve been crazy busy since the World Series ended, so I may have missed it. Actually, I was even busier DURING the World Series, I just had more motivation to kill myself from sleep deprivation then.
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Actually, they have. He’s Type B.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
do we have any other type a or type b guys?
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Just Uribe.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
The system, it does not work.
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Hit for the cycle!
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 9, 2010 7:30 AM PST up reply actions
Where'd you get the info
that they’ve already offered arbitration? I haven’t seen anything in the news.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
As much as it might hurt
Yes, 34 year olds are not typically good bets. I’ll be okay either way though.
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by Giant Torture on Nov 8, 2010 7:02 PM PST up reply actions
Huff and Burrell, as both for the most part leaders of the clubhouse, are valuable beyond the numbers. yes, im one of those people who believe in clubhouse chemistry, because I’ve played alot of baseball in my life.
And it’s easier to trust the man behind you and keep the line moving (as opposed to selfish, numbers-oriented players) when the clubhouse factor is good. So yeah, I’d like to see Pat and Aubrey back next year. Aubrey apparently signed with the agent that reps Pat, too, probably in an effort to get the Giants to sign them both. IMO, it’s a win-win for both sides.
yes, im one of those people who believe in clubhouse chemistry,because I’ve played alot of baseball in my life.
Yes, I’m one of those people who believe that believing in things that affect major league baseball players and teams should be a process independent of your own non-professional baseball experience, because I’ve never played major league baseball in my life.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
You realize
That “numbers orientated player” is just another word for “good player”, right?
When you step in to that batters box, you don’t bring anyone in the clubhouse with you. I’d rather have a selfish bastard with a good OBP than a David Eckstein-style gritmeister who can’t hit to save his life.
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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I think he means “numbers-oriented player” to be a player who only cares about his own numbers. That mindset can belong to terrible and great players alike.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 9:31 PM PST up reply actions
I suppose
But my point still stands. Winning makes a good clubhouse – no one has fun losing.
Above all, front offices should not be making decisions based on intangibles when there are so many wonderful tangibles around.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
yes, that's what i meant about #'s oriented players, thanks howie
sure, winning makes a good clubhouse fun, but how do you get to the winning part? when you’ve got a good clubhouse going, egos get put aside and the singular goal becomes winning. its a self-sustaining – and fulfulling entity. now, ive never played actual professional ball, college was the highest level for me, but we were a close team and that translated to a looser feeling on the field. It’s easier to not worry about making an error when you know your teammate has got your back and will pick you up.
Sometimes tangibles and intangibles are connected in that they can both be wonderful. And when they are already options you are considering (Huff and Burrell, in this instance), it just makes the whole package all the better
by giant4life83 on Nov 8, 2010 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
sure, winning makes a good clubhouse fun, but how do you get to the winning part? when you’ve got a good clubhouse going, egos get put aside and the singular goal becomes winning.
Hey, remember the LAST time the Giants were in the World Series? You know, when clubhouse chemistry was so good that the team’s two main stars were physically fighting each other in the dugout, in full view of the camera?
Clearly, chemistry is key to winning!
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I also got to see some of the 1986 World Series on MLB Network last offseason...
the announcers kept talking about how great clubhouse chemistry and character had really carried the Mets to the World Series.
Uh….
1) Darryl Strawberry
2) Keith Hernandez
3) Wally Backman
4) Dwight Gooden
5) Kevin Mitchell
Chemistry and character wins championships!
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so... i drink chemicals when i have liquid cocaine at the bar?
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
read "The Bad Guys Won"
for all the information you will need on that subject.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 9, 2010 8:18 AM PST up reply actions
That actually supports his argument – they didn’t like each other but put their egos aside and concentrated on winning. Good clubhouse chemistry isn’t a circle jerk.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 9, 2010 8:39 AM PST up reply actions
Great clubhouse chemistry can lead to them though.
Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!
How is fist fighting in the dugout putting your ego aside or focusing on winning!?
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They weren’t fist fighting. They were actually punching their egos aside. It was just bad luck that they were in each other’s way.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
I’d characterize that as more of a shoving match than a fist fight… shit happens. The acrimony didn’t continue and there wasn’t a long drawn out soap opera resulting in one of them demanding a trade. They never got along. They also put those feelings aside on the field – for the most part – and basically never rose to the bait of reporters asking about their rift. Each of them always stated publicly how much they respected the other as a professional… that is putting your ego aside and playing together as professionals.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 9, 2010 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
Bonds actually WAS being a good teammate in that instance, which as we may recall started when Kent went after David Bell in the dugout because of Kent’s own mental lapse (Bell had made a brilliant play to start what should have been an inning ending double play, but Kent, assuming Bell would go to first for the sure out was taken by surprise by the throw and dropped it, opening the door to a big inning).
Kent went after Bell who had a serious deer in the headlights look about him and Bonds stepped in to protect Bell, no doubt saying something to effect of don’t blame him for your own bonehead play. It’s your fault all those runs scored, not his.
Of course the story on ESPN was Bonds Bad Teammate, Fights Goody Good MVP Kent.
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by Roger on Nov 9, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
2 rec-worth posts in one day
Roger’s on fire!
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
I would consider that 2002 team the exception rather than the norm. They were probably the most talented team as a whole that I’ve seen play over the last 10-15 years.
and also, like someone said above, they still put their egos aside and focused on winning, it just wasnt enough.
pitching : both starting & relieving.
As JT Snow said: with this (2010) staff the 2002 team would’ve won it in 4.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 9, 2010 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
No they would have swept.
Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!
Precisely.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 9, 2010 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
if you guys think about it, Sabes has done a hell of a job. he put together the best offense in baseball in the early 2000s, then just 5 years later, he’s put together the best pitching staff in baseball.
dudes rebuilding is very fast- we can go from a offensive team to a pitching team in a matter of years, and still pretty much win WS with each (since we won the WS this year, im gonna pretend we won in 2002 as well)
To be fair he did have a Barry Bonds gifted to him.
Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!
to be also fair: Jeff Kent!
to be a realist: Edgardo Alfonso!
but since we won the WS: Grissom!
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 9, 2010 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
didnt he trade Williams to Cleveland for Kent, Nen and Liriano, was it?
Barry was the only one gifted to him, iirc
Nen was traded to the Giants in the great fire sale of ’97 for a bunch of nobodies.
Liriano was signed by the Giants as an amateur free agent and then was gobbled up by aliens.
Yep: Matt Williams was the centerpiece of the"I am not an idiot" trade that netted Kent, Vizcaino, and Taverez. Still a great trade.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 9, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
Just imagine this.
What if Bonds, Kent, and Williams were in the same line-up? That would make any pitcher shit their pants with a 3-4-5 order like that.
Warning, angry Giants fan on the loose.
that would have been badass. too bad Williams was traded for Kent…
Why couldn’t we just give Cleveland a few of teh gays for Kent?
by giant4life83 on Nov 10, 2010 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
I fucking loved me some Marquis Grissom.
by The Double Deuce on Nov 9, 2010 6:31 PM PST up reply actions
Hopefully, once we start developing great hitting to complement our godly pitching, we’ll be consistently in the top 5 in hitting and pitching like back in the old days.
Warning, angry Giants fan on the loose.
i dont know that the Giants know how to develop great hitting.
other than Posey, who’s the last serious threat to come out of our system? 20 years ago, Clark? Williams?
by giant4life83 on Nov 10, 2010 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
Clubhouse chemistry has it's place.
Having played and been paid to play baseball, I truly believe that good clubhouse chemistry can help, but not in the way you’re suggesting. Good clubhouse chemistry isn’t about being friends or hanging out together it’s about guys who love the game, and more importantly, understand the game helping one another out. Case in point is Edgar Renteria mentioning to Cody Ross that he wasn’t getting his foot down soon enough, it’s an extra set of eyes and guys who know when to speak up to help someone else out and when not to get involved.
On the flip side, a bad clubhouse where everyone hates each other’s guts or the clique’s get out of hand, I do believe it can harm performance by becoming a distraction, but just liking each other and having each other’s back is bullshit.
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by Giant Torture on Nov 10, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
I’ve never been paid to play ball (did you go pro?), just played from little league through college, so your experience most definetely differs from mine.
I’ve never been on a team where guys were paid to be there, but I would imagine it changes the dynamic quite a bit.
by giant4life83 on Nov 10, 2010 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
There are many options at first base. I like Huff but I would only give him a 1 yar deal at $6million or a 2 year deal at $9-$10 million.
Hell, there are first basemen in the FA pool that can actually hit AND move to their right to field a ground ball.
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by Penitentiary Face on Nov 9, 2010 9:23 PM PST up reply actions
Aye matey, one yar for $6 million.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 10, 2010 8:33 AM PST up reply actions
Talking about how you were wrong?!
What if I came here for the news?!
In awe of his adopted dad: equipment manager Mike Murphy, who has been with the club since their move to San Francisco in 1958!
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
Seriously
I’ve been looking for news for weeks and haven’t found any here.
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by Giant Torture on Nov 8, 2010 7:02 PM PST up reply actions
LOL SBN
search isn’t working for some reason, but I remember being like “LOL WTF” about freddy, though that was a pretty common belief
Other than that, I was pretty much right about everything, as usual (when search is working again I’ll try to find a wrong statement, but let’s face it- it’s gonna be tough)
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
11/1/10
Actually, I still believe re-signing Freddy was the wrong move…
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on the other hand
I also thought this dude would’ve been a better option…so there’s that.
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HOLY SMOKES 6 WAR?!?!?!?
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
Part of that is BABIP, but still, dude’s a good player – and would’ve been a great pick-up over the offseason. Oh well: all’s well that ends well, etc.
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God damn
if we had that production at 2B all year, good chance it doesn’t take until the last game to get in. But this way world series…so there’s that I guess.
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
11/1/10
This link is only tangentially related to "mea culpa",
but I think you’ll all enjoy it anyway. Fox is the entity that ought to be apologizing all over the place, after all. There’s an email link at the end of the article if anyone else wants to get back to this guy and thank him for his comments.
This is how I felt after winning the world series
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UIdI8khMkw
FUCKING TRICKED
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
I wrote alot of stupid things
but i dont think any of it matters anymore now that we’ve won the World Series.
damn. never thought I’d say those words in April 2010. Let’s start over, shall we?
Right . . .
and the divorce nullifies all my infidelity.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Nov 8, 2010 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
my divorce nullified my infidelities… who’s been selling you your goods?
by giant4life83 on Nov 8, 2010 11:15 PM PST up reply actions
ummm . . .
. . . no one special, but thanks for asking.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Nov 9, 2010 12:27 AM PST up reply actions
kingofthacove
isn’t it funny how we’ve managed to downgrade two positions this offseason? lewis would probably out-produce derosa and garko would probably out-produce huff
Well, he was 50% right (even though Lewis ended up having a disappointing year with the Jays).
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err
Well, YOU were 50% right, that is.
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I’m a glass half wrong guy.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2010 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
I’ve never met a glass half wrong that I didn’t like.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Nov 8, 2010 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
also, speaking of being wrong!
Your comment made me realize that, in all my rosterbation thus far, I’ve forgotten to account for the existence of Mark DeRosa. D’oh.
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I don’t even know what we would expect out of him next year. He’s kinda like a Pablo in the sense that I think they should play their hand as if he isn’t expected to contribute, and if he does, it’s icing on the cake.
I would be very happy with his career averages: 272/.341/.419
by kingofthacove on Nov 8, 2010 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
Edgar said he would prefer returning to the Giants
I’m kinda scared now. Sabes probably got hard hearing that. However, I guess I wouldn’t mind having Edgar back on a 1-year/$2 million contract.
I’d actually be fine with Edgar returning for a one-year, low-dollar deal and then becoming a Giants hitting or bench coach in 2012.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
Let him go. Best to say goodbye on a positive note, I think.
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I’d prefer Fontenot as the cheap backup middle infielder
Thing A
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Fontenot can’t really play anything besides second.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
that’s why we have utility DeRosa, he can play 2B and 3B (among OF positions). then you have Renteria who can cover SS if needed.
so that makes Fontenot expendable if Renteria is resigned for a smallish figure (2mil or less)
I’d rather have Fontenot on the roster than Ishikawa, and probably over Schierholtz too.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Why?
Fontenot’s not really good at anything besides second base defense, and we already have one of those.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
He's got pretty well above average range at 2B
And anecdotal viewing suggests to me that he could handle SS, even if he doesn’t have the arm for 3B.
Fontenot’s a better bench bat than either Travis or Nate.
Travis is utterly expendable. Nate is less so, but if it came down to Nate or Fontenot…
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Font's bat is not significantly better than Ishi's
Career .270/.337/.411 playing mostly in Chicago vs Ishi’s .265/.327/.400 in SF.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
when it comes down to Ish vs Fonte, i dunno. Ish put up some damn good PH numbers this year, but if Huff comes back, and Belt comes up, Ish is expendable while Fonte still has value, and given his PH numbers, Ish can be trade bait as part of a package at the deadline.
Fontenot's arm is terrible
There I said it.
by PocketfullofPoseys on Nov 9, 2010 8:08 AM PST up reply actions
That's why he is a backup and why is a low paid roster filler. Great guy off the bench, knows the strike zone and can adequately play a couple of positions.
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by Penitentiary Face on Nov 9, 2010 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
Disagree on both accounts.
Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!
BA-ZING!
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 6:09 PM PST up reply actions
Nobody?
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 6:57 PM PST up reply actions
I can’t believe I’m the only one who noticed that.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 6:57 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think I did.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
SINCE FONTENOT IS SHORT, HE CAN PLAY THAT WAY COMPETENTLY
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 8:21 PM PST up reply actions
Still don’t get it.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
He’s short.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
Nope, not ringing any bells.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
/Quasimodo joke
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, he's like Aubrey Huff, but can't hit as well or field his position.
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s ---
Bochy: WHO GIVES A SHIT? IT'S WHATEVER I SAY IT IS BECAUSE I WON A WORLD SERIES.
No. He just looks short.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
/Oddjob from Goldeneye joke
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, he's like Aubrey Huff, but can't hit as well or field his position.
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s ---
Bochy: WHO GIVES A SHIT? IT'S WHATEVER I SAY IT IS BECAUSE I WON A WORLD SERIES.
Apparently the new Goldeneye game is really good.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 10:13 PM PST up reply actions
I am debating if I should get it or not.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, he's like Aubrey Huff, but can't hit as well or field his position.
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s ---
Bochy: WHO GIVES A SHIT? IT'S WHATEVER I SAY IT IS BECAUSE I WON A WORLD SERIES.
Goldfinger, not Goldeneye.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
YOU FAIL
BADLY.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, he's like Aubrey Huff, but can't hit as well or field his position.
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s ---
Bochy: WHO GIVES A SHIT? IT'S WHATEVER I SAY IT IS BECAUSE I WON A WORLD SERIES.
And Devito.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
I can’t think of a way to say I enjoyed your BA-ZING without it sounding dirty.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 9, 2010 7:35 AM PST up reply actions
He doesn’t have much experience at short, but he could probably do well there if he got more exposure to the position. He tends to mess up at new positions at first, but then settles down and fields well. Moving him to third seems to mess up his hitting. Infield positions are different, and a player needs to adjust to the different angles and distances. Also, he seems to work well with Sanchez .
Is everyone really OK with deciding he can’t play 3B just because he had some errors there in a 3-game stretch? He’s not Adrian Beltre, but I don’t think there’s any reason to conclude that he can’t at least be an acceptable defensive 3B. Pablo, for the record, was just as bad defensively in the playoffs, if not worse.
i think it was his arm strength people were iffy about, not his errors… though his errors did seem to always be of the throwing variety, he scooped the ball well, just didnt throw on target
It’s definitely a problem, but it doesn’t mean he wouldn’t survive as a backup infielder who has to play 3B once in a while.
he'd be fine if he has to play 3B once in a while, but...
when you have DeRosa who can man 2B and 3B, and possibly Renteria (wants to return and can prolly be had on the cheap) who can man SS (both as backups), Fontenot becomes expendable.
I don’t really have reason to believe we need a utility IF with DeRosa already on the team. And with Belt on his way, that will make Ish expendable too. So the choice is between Ish and Font for PH duties. And given Ish’ success this year at PH, I’d keep him, but really, it’s a 50-50 who they keep. I just think Ish is the better bet.
Realistically, because of the versatility of 80% of the position players, until the Giants make some moves, there are too many combinations to start worrying about small things like Ish and Fontenot. Giants need to make their big moves before a picture of the bench/backup/PH/spot starter duties are rosterbated on. Yeah I know I got a little OT here
But Fontenot is definitely better at 2B
and probably better at 3rd
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his marginally superior defensive prowess at 2B and 3B may not even be an important factor because his offense most likely will not offset that of DeRosas.
by giant4life83 on Nov 8, 2010 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
Mark DeRosa career OPS: .760
Mike Fontenot career OPS: .749
Mark DeRosa will be 36, Mike Fontenot will be 31. Fontenot has been healthy the last few years, Mark DeRosa has barely played at all the last 18 months and played fairly poorly when he has played. Fontenot probably won’t cost much at all financially, has a lefty bat that would complement some of our other infielders very well, fields 2B very well and can probably be serviceable at SS and 3B. Mark DeRosa can play almost anywhere but doesn’t really field any position well. Mike Fontenot is a really useful player, I don’t know why so many people seem ok with letting him go.
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Fontenot benefits from a significant career-long platoon split, which is why his career OPS is near DeRosas. We don’t really know what we’re gonna get from DeRosa though. Personally, I’m gonna wait and see what the team does with resigning Uribe, Huff, and Renteria before throwing my opinion out on whether Fontenot should stay.
Fontenot and DeRosa are under team control or contract for 2011, so I would imagine the Giants will wait to see how Uribe and Huffs contracts play out before making a decision on Fontenot, Nate and Ish. Gotta know who your starting IF is before making those smaller decisions.
I do know that I don’t want Fontenot to end up being either the starting SS or 3B next year, though.
I don’t WANT Fontenot to be the starting shortstop, but if they aren’t going to spend much money on the position I think he’s a nice value for the price. Most pitchers are right handed, so you can point to his split stats all you want, but they still just say that he’s a very good hitter against most of the pitchers in the league. Yes, he’ll struggle mightily in a lot of matchups, but most of the options at shortstop that you’ll get for less than 5 mil a year will, and he’ll be a lot cheaper than that. If it comes down to Fontenot or Renteria, I don’t want either one starting, but I’ll take Fontenot and he’ll probably be cheaper too.
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Fontenot is not marginally better than DeRosa
Fontenot is probably 15 runs better than DeRosa at 2nd
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door to the DL. No thanks. He’s my starter and I’ll pay him $4-$5mm a year for 1 year or I cut him loose.
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by Penitentiary Face on Nov 9, 2010 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
I didn’t want Torres on the 25-man in April.
I was wrong.
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The bench would have been on the 25-man.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
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by JohnnyDangerously on Nov 8, 2010 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
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Really?
In contrast to my very wrong Huff-hating, I was always very pro-Torres. (Of course, it was not so much that I really liked Torres, but simply that I liked him much better than Velez, so putting Torres on the roster reduced the chance that Velez would make it, because you only need so much VROOM.)
I had a Rowand/DeRosa/Lewis/Bowker/Schierholtz outfield. No Velez to speak of.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 6:09 PM PST up reply actions
Ah, I see. So your OF required that the FO would keep Lewis. I guess I just realized that ship had sailed, to use the parlance of the times. Had I thought there was some chance they would keep Lewis, I probably would have been on board with your program, but it required a belief that Nate could back up CF, one that I’m pretty sure the org did not (and still does not) share.
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by gallo del cielo on Nov 8, 2010 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
Also, I made passionate comments about the superiority of Ramon Ramirez to Javier Lopez.
Whoopsie.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 6:13 PM PST up reply actions
I wasn't a user here until like July
So I don’t have much to work with. But in some other forums I said I wanted Torres to start over Rowand last year and earlier this year.
I was pretty down on the Giants at some point this year where my emotions got the best of me and said I quit on the Giants (I really didn’t, I watched the next day) but it was a crazy season and I’m glad they won the World Series. If you told me all the changes the Giants made and that Huff and Torres were both excellent, that Bengie would be gone etc, I would’ve said you’re crazy.
Hella.
Sabes really turned a page in my view of him. While I’m on it, Bochy did too.
Dumping Rowand off the starting CF was bold, Row and Zito off the playoff rosters. After seeing what Sabes&Boch did the last few years, I never thought they’d turn it around and actually make sensible decisions, playing hot hands and whatnot. But they did
I hate to be a negative nelly
Sabean and Bochy were pretty much Sabean and Bochy this year. Sabean assembled a gang of spare parts to surround the talented core, which he’s been doing since 1997. 1997-2003, he had good luck with that strategy; 2004-2009, not as much. In 2010, he did the same thing he’d been doing all these years, but he had a much higher success rate.
For all the talk of Bochy as postseason genius, he did plenty of questionable stuff: repeatedly using Ramon Ramirez in tight games, repeatedly letting Santiago Casilla pitch in tight games with the bases loaded, loading the bases with IBBs, dumb hit-and-run calls, sacrifice bunting with the top of the lineup, etc. He also did the usual stuff that he does pretty well: namely managing the pitchers.
Their results were better this year, but in terms of process, they were the same guys they always were.
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get out of here with that sort of naysaying
Sabean acquired spare parts, yes, but he acquired GOOD ones this time instead of the crappy ones he normally gets.
Guillen who?
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Mark DeRosa didn’t work out too well, either!
For the most part, though, his spare parts this time being GOOD is really hindsight talking. Nobody had any reason to expect Ross to go nuts in the playoffs, or Huff to be so good all year – prior to 2010, Huff had hit 1.5 WAR twice in six seasons. Sort of like Jeff Kent and J.T. Snow in Sabean’s early years.
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well in all fairness
If we expected them to be GOOD, they wouldn’t really be spare parts at all, now would they?
And that isn’t fair to DeRosa. His tendons needed an attitude adjustment.
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I def agree that Sabes did what he always does, just had super luck doing it, but I’m looking more at the things I don’t think he would have done a couple years ago. Bench Rowand, $12 million man? Leave Zeets off the playoff roster, 18mil man? But also remember that this year Sabes aquired COMPETENT players, every positional player made his contribution this year, while in past years, his “spare parts bin” technique hasn’t worked because there haven’t been enough competent role-players to begin with. I do agree that while he doesn’t put together a great lineup, with our pitching, we don’t need a whole lot.
I remember Ramon Ramirez being used in the NLCS Game 2, which he blew, but other than that, I don’t remember him in a tight game- he blew his audition in the NLCS, and again in the WS with a 7 run lead. I agree that bringing in Casilla with the bases juiced is not a recipe for success, neither are IBBs- they increase run expectancy.
While no manager is perfect, I think Bochy did bounds and leaps better than I expected him to do. His lineup tweaking worked everytime, every pitcher he brought into situations seemed to work out (ala Game 6, NLCS). I mean, you can’t win ’em all, and the players do control the outcome, but overall I think he put everyone in positions to succeed far more often than not.
Ramirez also lost us game 2 of the NLDS.
I don’t think benching Rowand is completely out of character. He did DFA Dave Roberts when we still owed him several million dollars a couple of years ago, for example.
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youre right, he did lose us Game 2, but at that point, Bochy doesnt know any better than not to use him. We’d already burned through the better relievers iirc, and Ramirez had shown to be very dependable during his time in SF (think Game 162, Miguel Tejada strikeout with the season on the line, and despite us all knowing compared to his career stats, he was due for regression).
personally, given his love for vets (i know Torres is 32 or whatever, but still, Rowand is “gritty vet” to him) benching him was out of character. Torres’ performance forced his hand, yes, but i was still surprised that Rowand stayed in the doghouse as long as he did once benched. We didnt see him play for quite awhile.
but at that point, Bochy doesnt know any better than not to use him.
That’s not really a defense of Bochy, though. Most of MCC already knew that Ramirez was actually not very good.
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yes, we all knew he actually wasn’t very good, but at the same time, given how he had performed with SF up until that point, there isn’t alot of reason to not use him- his regression could likely have held off until next season.
what im saying is, no stat will tell us when he is due to start regressing, so at that point you gotta use him (because he’s doing a great job) until he shows he can’t be trusted, otherwise, what’s the point in riding the hot hand?
Riding the hot hand is always a worse idea that playing players who’re actually good.
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Also, the ones that whore good.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2010 5:58 PM PST up reply actions
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by gallo del cielo on Nov 8, 2010 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
In the absence of good players, you gotta ride the hot ones (speaking from a perspective of the bullpen when the top guys are already used). Would you rather have had Denny Bautista (not good) or Ramon Ramirez (not good, but pitching lights out) in the 11th inning of Game 2 NLDS?
Riding the hot hand is how we got offense going vs Philly and TEX at times. I agree that it’s better to play the good players over the hot ones, but sometimes you don’t always have that choice. We were desperate for offense in the PHI and parts of TEX series, so Boch used the hot players over the better ones who were slumping.
that's not really true, though
It wasn’t just Ramirez available; they had Affeldt, Casilla, Mota, AND Ramirez available. Bautista is a total red herring here, because he wasn’t even on the postseason roster.
By your own logic here, though, Bochy shouldn’t have used Ramirez in game 2 of the NLDS. He was no longer the “hot hand,” and every reliever was available: Ramirez was the first guy Bochy went with in what was then a one-run game.
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the Bautista/Ramirez was a comparison in that you have two not-good pitchers, one pitching great while the other is not even on the roster. you made my point for me. they’re both not good, but how did Ramirez get on the roster then? because ever since he came from BOS, he hadn’t shown any reason not to be.
and how was Ramirez not still the hot hand in Game 2 of the NLDS? the last time he pitched, he struck out Tejada with 2 runners on in the 7th inning of Game 162
typo
I meant “by game 2 of the NLCS,” actually.
I would argue he wasn’t that in the NLDS, either, but that’s a more conceptual argument related to predictability and being “hot” versus being lucky.
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ramirez, even being 'hot', still wouldn't have been my choice out of the 'pen with those pitchers still left
he wasn’t ‘hot’ in the NLDS, but my point was how are we to know when he has suddenly gone ‘cold’ unless he pitches? he probably should not have been used in such a leveraged situation (extra innings), but hey, we won the WS so it’s all good.
i didnt want to start switching terms, i should have just said lucky to begin with, but since we were already talking in the hot hands terms, didnt want to make it confusing.
I would have used Casilla in that spot myself, since he was the best remaining reliever. I think maybe Bochy had tricked himself into thinking Ramirez was actually good. That, though, was one of the very few poor moves the ol’ Cabeza Grande made in the whole playoff run.
i wonder how much Casilla out-performed his career stats this year, cause he was the only non-DFA’d member of gasoline alley, iirc, and he pitched great, minus a few spots that were more the fault of boch for sticking him in than of his own doing.
dont throw a guy with a high k/bb ratio in a bases-loaded jam
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by gallo del cielo on Nov 8, 2010 11:09 PM PST up reply actions
going by FIP
Casilla: 3.15
Mota: 3.86
Affeldt: 3.98
Ramirez: 4.23
So I’d argue that Ramirez was the worst of the four pitchers available by a not insubstantial margin.
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i dont even know what FIP is; I’m not into sabermetrics. i remember that Ramirez had a super-low BABIP, so is FIP basically ERA-BABIP?
thanks
that’s alotta HRs. sounds about right for Ramirez
by giant4life83 on Nov 8, 2010 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
I believe the numbers up there in the numerator are weighting for the various pitcher-controlled outcomes.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 9, 2010 7:41 AM PST up reply actions
and for some reason Mota really seemed to be in the doghouse (dont remember why, though), yet somehow his numbers are better than Affeldt’s which doesn’t make sense to me.
Affeldt wasn’t particularly good this year. His FIP was slightly worse, but mostly his luck went from very good (.244 BABIP in 2009) to very bad (.349 BABIP in 2010). Part of that increase in BABIP was not actually luck, though; his GB% dropped quite a bit.
BABIP tells one almost nothing without the LD% and GB% accompanying it.
Affeldt had that oblique strain right as he was getting back into his groove, too, IIRC. But for a sinkerballer, I don’t like seeing GB%s go down. That, and the HR to Eckstein. Eckstein. Dude hit 1 HR in his last 1000PAs.
BABIP tells one almost nothing without the LD% and GB% accompanying it.
That’s…not true. At least not for pitchers. I’m not even sure what you mean by that.
ill leave out the GB% to make it simpler
say you have a BABIP of .285, and a 20%LD (assuming team fielding % and UZR are constants as well).
then the following year you have a BABIP of .200 and the LD% stays the same. That indicates that you are getting lucky as a pitcher, as you are giving up the same % of line drives, but the balls in play are finding gloves. its pure luck.
then the next year, your BABIP is .350, and your LD% is 28. One might look at the BABIP, and say wow, he’s unlucky, but in reality, the pitcher is giving up a ton more line drives, which causes the BABIP spike. This indicates that the pitcher is not performing like he did- not that he is lucky/unlucky.
See what I’m saying?
I see what you’re saying, but it’s just not true. Yes, theoretically, if a pitcher has a silly high line drive rate of 28%, maybe he wasn’t getting lucky. But in real life, it just doesn’t happen; or, at the very least, it’s extremely rare. The vast majority of pitchers post, over long periods of time, a BABIP somewhere between .290 and .310, and the year to year correlation in BABIP is extremely weak.
If a pitcher with a career BABIP of .300 posts a .250 BABIP one year, you can – with 99% certainty – say that he got lucky. There’s no need to look at LD% for that.
i know the 28%LD that I was saying isn’t realistic, it was just for example purposes.
i know that the vast majority of pitchers post a .290-.310 BABIP over their careers, but yearly variation can be attributed to not just luck, but other causes. Timmys August BABIP was around .375 IIRC, but he wasn’t getting unlucky- his game was all screwed up. poor conditioning, bad mechanics, etc those things all combine to fluctuate BABIP as well.
also, as pitchers get old, their LD%s tend to go up, as they lose heat off their fastball or cant locate as well any longer, thus the rise in their LD% and resultingly, BABIP.
I was just saying that BABIP is not independent of LD%, in fact, they are very much connected.
If a pitcher with a career BABIP of .300 posts a .250 BABIP one year, you can – with 99% certainty – say that he got lucky. There’s no need to look at LD% for that.
this is true. however, LD% for that year with lower or higher BABIP can give a more comprehensive look at the story behind it. sometimes, its not always luck- some just pitchers do decline without warning.
Timmy was off, most definitely, but I recall him getting ducksnorted to death several times. His game log only shows 11 LDs total in five August games; I’m not going to do the math, but I’d wager that points to a normal to small LD%. Weird things happen in small samples sizes. Also, I’d like to see data that BABIP increases with age.
Zito might be a good example of BABIP increasing with age. He’s lost quite a few ticks off his FB, which more often than not results in a higher LD%, which usually leads to a higher BABIP. I would wager that as age increases, velocity decreases, thus LD% and BABIP go up (increased BABIP being a function of LD%)
I’ll have to look that up for a solid example
i know that the vast majority of pitchers post a .290-.310 BABIP over their careers, but yearly variation can be attributed to not just luck, but other causes. Timmys August BABIP was around .375 IIRC, but he wasn’t getting unlucky- his game was all screwed up. poor conditioning, bad mechanics, etc those things all combine to fluctuate BABIP as well.
If those things really influence BABIP that much, how could it be that the the vast majority of pitchers post a .290-.310 BABIP over their careers? Some pitchers have good mechanics, some bad mechanics. Some have good conditioning, some bad conditioning. Why isn’t this affecting their BABIP in a meaningful way?
also, as pitchers get old, their LD%s tend to go up, as they lose heat off their fastball or cant locate as well any longer, thus the rise in their LD% and resultingly, BABIP.
I don’t know that that’s true. If it is, I’m sure the change is very small.
however, LD% for that year with lower or higher BABIP can give a more comprehensive look at the story behind it. sometimes, its not always luck- some just pitchers do decline without warning.
Well, that’s not the same as saying that “BABIP tells one almost nothing without the LD% and GB%”. It’s more “BABIP tells one almost everything without LD% and GB%”.
Also, is it really true? Pitchers sometimes decline without warning, but do they do it by starting to post higher BABIPs? They usually stop striking people out. Sometimes they also start giving up more home runs. In rarer cases they also start walking more. But they don’t, as far as I know, start posting higher BABIPs.
first of all, im like the last person to jump on the saber-train so I’m still working to understand the correlation of basic values better.
If those things really influence BABIP that much, how could it be that the the vast majority of pitchers post a .290-.310 BABIP over their careers? Some pitchers have good mechanics, some bad mechanics. Some have good conditioning, some bad conditioning. Why isn’t this affecting their BABIP in a meaningful way?
i think it does affect their BABIP in a meaningful way over the short run, but over an entire career, those pitchers who do post the average BABIPs already have everything worked out. Like the point I was making about Timmeh, his BABIP was impacted while his mechanics were poor, but then he hit a fantastic stretch run, and it reverted back to the norm. Like I said, BABIP doesn’t mean a whole lot to me without accompanying LD%, because a pitcher could just be getting lucky or unlucky unless you can see if he is giving up more harder hit balls than usual.
A small change in LD% is probably all it takes. Like you said yourself, LD%s don’t jump 8% all of a sudden- but a small steady increase as velocity slows could make all the difference.
Also, is it really true? Pitchers sometimes decline without warning, but do they do it by starting to post higher BABIPs? They usually stop striking people out. Sometimes they also start giving up more home runs. In rarer cases they also start walking more. But they don’t, as far as I know, start posting higher BABIPs.
You make a good point. all the things you mentioned are part of how pitchers decline, and a higher BABIP isn’t the first sign, or the last. It may not even come at all for some. I think pitchers decline in many different ways, but posting higher BABIPs if their LD%s are up is another avenue in which they could be showing signs of declining.
The thing that got this whole debate kicked off was that I believe that BABIP (for any given period of time) won’t tell you if a pitcher has been JUST lucky or not, but an accompanying LD% will give you a better overall view of whether it is luck or not.
He pitched in game 162, and I cringed when he came into the game, but he did okay. His melt down didn’t kick into high gear until the playoffs got going.
…and what a meltdown it was. how many HRs did he give up? 3? plus couldn’t get through the 9th with a 7 run lead in the WS.
Game 162, 7th inning, considering the choices, I actually felt good about him. He hadn’t given me reason not to yet, though I knew an implosion was coming, I was hoping it would hold off until the end of the year. Looking back, glad it happened when it did, or he might have pitched in the PHI series in a critical spot.
Sabean impressed me a little more than usual, but for the most part I agree. In the end, results are fantastic and the flag shall fly forever, as they say, but I’m still skeptical of Sabean. I’m very curious to see what Sabean does this offseason. The Zito/Rowand contracts leave him financially limited, but there are some options out there for relatively cheap (and maybe even a run at Werth?). I’m not sure Sabean’s approach will yield consistent results, but maybe he’s learned something and will competently build around the young talent.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 8, 2010 5:58 PM PST up reply actions
For all the talk of Bochy as postseason genius, he did plenty of questionable stuff: repeatedly using Ramon Ramirez in tight games, repeatedly letting Santiago Casilla pitch in tight games with the bases loaded, loading the bases with IBBs … He also did the usual stuff that he does pretty well: namely managing the pitchers.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
More people should start just quoting what I say. It’ll improve your post quality by up to and including 100%.
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I just liked the way your comment went from “Bochy did some pretty weird things like making totally mindless moves with the pitchers” to “But he managed the pitchers well” all in the time that it took me to insert an ellipses.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 6:19 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, I kind of failed to say what I actually meant there
I meant to say he managed the STARTING pitchers pretty well.
Though there are quibbles to be had there, too: a lot of folks were apoplectic about setting up Sanchez for the possible game 7 start.
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I don’t even think it’s a real contradiction. He largely did manage even the bullpen well. I just liked the contrast in the isolated comment.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 6:56 PM PST up reply actions
I did have some gripes with bullpen management. Ramirez and Casilla, as mentioned above. I was also not crazy about all the multi-inning saves from Wilson, but that, at least, worked out in the end.
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I missed the issues with how he used Casilla. I thought Casilla was used as he should have been…
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In one game of the NLCS, he had the previous reliever (I forget which one) intentionally walk a guy to load the bases for Jimmy Rollins, then brought in Casilla. Casilla fell behind, then threw a fat pitch and Rollins hit a bases-clearing double.
I think it was the very next game where he used Casilla again; Casilla was struggling with control, because he is who he is. He loaded the bases, and Bochy left him in. He eventually struck the next batter out, but not before allowing a key run to score on a wild pitch.
I like what Casilla did this year as much as anyone, but never, ever, ever use a guy with his control problems with the bases loaded if you can avoid it.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
IIRC it was Affeldt in Game 2 of the NLCS, he had Jeremy walk Werth (?) so Casilla would face Rollins. Dumb move, both on the IBB and on using Casilla there. That’s not putting him in a position to succeed and the IBB is increasing run expectancy. Casilla has this wierd thing where he walks a guy on 4-5 pitches, then K’s the next 3, so yeah, i agree with you there.
Then Casilla relieved Bumgarner in Game 4, came in with 2 on, 1 out, got a quick out, then was one strike from getting out of the inning when he hung a slider down the middle to Polanco for a 2 run double, then a BB, WP that scored a run, then K’d the batter. I didn’t have an issue with using Casilla in that case, as it was the 4th or 5th inning and a very key moment in the game. The following runs that scored were more a result of Casilla not executing his pitches than Boch making the wrong call on the ’pen.
Casilla tends to do best in fresh innings, but he throws hard enough that so long as the bases arent already loaded and there’s at least 1 out, he is a good bet to get out of it.
In the last few days . . .
I’ve said to various Giant fan friends that the MVP of the season and the post season was the cumulative bullpen. Not Rent, not Huff, not U, not even Buster. The cumulative bullpen.
And I say it again now.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Nov 8, 2010 11:15 PM PST up reply actions
well, other than the starting pitching
but that’s to be expected of the starting pitchers.
other than Game 2, NLDS, i can’t really think of the last time the ‘pen blew a game (@ COL last week of the season wasn’t really “blown”, I’m talking like a serious blown lead of 4+ runs).
probably have to go all the way back to late August to find a serious meltdown
by giant4life83 on Nov 8, 2010 11:30 PM PST up reply actions
I agree with most of what you say. Sabes is Sabes. Worked wonders in mid-year acquisitions and THANK GOD for Dick Tidrow and the past 8 drafts recognizing pitching wins championships. Let's be honest, we had some luck with the abolition of the juice era.
We are back to pitching and defense.
"I always knew I was going to be thrown at. I was old-school, so I didn't care, as long as they hit me from the neck down.'' Hac-Man One Flap down Jeffrey Leonard
by Penitentiary Face on Nov 9, 2010 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
If
I was to go looking on this site for all the times I posted something that turned out wrong, I’d be here, collecting links and screen shots until Valentine’s Day at least.
So instead, I present my finest hour of prognostication.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
79 WINZ!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2010 4:50 PM PST reply actions
IS THIS A PREDICTION?
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2010 5:19 PM PST up reply actions
To be honest
Even if they win only 79 games next year, I am good.
I have a lot of happy.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2010 5:20 PM PST up reply actions
wait, what happened to you, Lars?
In the past, I remember you saying that, even if the Giants won the World Series, you’d still complain about them the next day. Or something like that.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
No really, jcb
My happy is overflowing with fruit flavor.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2010 5:24 PM PST up reply actions
mmmmm, fruit happy…
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2010 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
I was a genius...
I don’t know if I think "decent upside" is the same as "best option," but I basically agree. The Huff signing is obviously 109,000 times better than other "veteran" signings Sabean has made in the last few years.
To be fair, though, I think I was only talking about how cheap the deal was.
This is from 2009:
I totally missed the Torres HR (work is interrupting my fandom, damn it!), but I just wanted to rub it in the face of whoever was making fun of me for being excited that Torres was in the lineup.
I’m the Juggernate, bitch.
by kdl on Sep 9, 2009 1:42 PM PDT reply
(LOL sig.)
But, then there was this:
LOL Burrell starting in the 2nd game with the team. So effing typical.
I was really pissed about the whole Burrell thing. It was pretty much the only thing I was really mad about all season, I think.
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
"Things I never thought I'd see #47783: Schwarzenegger applauding Ryan Rohlinger" -- Your mother, Nov. 3, 2010.
Also, I called the Rockies to win the West pretty late in the season (August or September). Chris Lincecum did too, though, so I didn’t feel so bad.
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
"Things I never thought I'd see #47783: Schwarzenegger applauding Ryan Rohlinger" -- Your mother, Nov. 3, 2010.
by kdl on Nov 8, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
I was pissed that they signed him to a minor league deal. I knew they were full of crap when they said he was going to sit on the bench (I was right about that part). Even so, I was irritated that they insisted on starting him right away despite what they’d said. (That’s what the quoted comment was about.)
I also threw a fit about the D-Train signing, but thank goodness he never got called up. He couldn’t even pitch in AAA.
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
"Things I never thought I'd see #47783: Schwarzenegger applauding Ryan Rohlinger" -- Your mother, Nov. 3, 2010.
by kdl on Nov 8, 2010 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
the plan might have originally been for him to be a spot starter and bench player, but I think he forced the hand with his offense. I don’t think we make the playoffs without all his huge HRs (dodgers) and that one week he had like 3 walk-off hits alone (braves, cubs)
I’m not gonna lie, I would have loved to see the D-Train get it together and for him to become the pitcher he was, but thats pushing the envelope in expectations.
I think he forced the hand with his offense.
His offense in AAA? He was starting his second game with the Giants. That wasn’t anyone’s hand being forced by anything he did in the majors.
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
"Things I never thought I'd see #47783: Schwarzenegger applauding Ryan Rohlinger" -- Your mother, Nov. 3, 2010.
by kdl on Nov 8, 2010 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
no, his offense when he came up. Pat is very streaky, and when he joined the team, he was in one of his hot streaks, IIRC. His start in his 2nd game might have just been a spot start so someone could get rest, but I honestly dont remember the circumstances, and my guess is he hit well enough to warrant another start. I’d have to go back and look at the game logs to tell ya for sure though.
I dont think anyone can say with any authority what their real intentions for Pat were in the first place, but i think Sabes was hoping he’d return to form with SF and gave him the opportunity to do so.
Even if their intentions were strictly that they hope he returns to form when acquired, what else would you expect the front office to say about the signing other than “we got him as an extra player”, yknow? There’s not much else you can say without looking stupid if he doesn’t perform.
When he first came up, he played in 11 straight games. 2 of them were pinch-hitting opportunities, the rest starts. The PH appearances came in the 2nd and 6th games. He batted .355/.400/.645 with 2 HRs during that time.
Looking at the trends…he got a sac fly in both PH plate appearances, and he had a hit in every start except two. The first was in his fifth game with us when he went 0-2 with 2 walks. That’s the day before his second PH appearance. The next time he oh-for’d was the last game of that stretch (0-4, 2Ks), and then he sat out the last game against Baltimore.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
by Ott on Nov 8, 2010 5:45 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, so it was his bat forcing the issue. I can’t see any manager in their right mind benching a guy hitting .355 with .645 SLG upon his first 10 games with the team.
as for what the front office said of his signing, that’s exactly what I’d say if I were taking a shot on a player that could be a waste- don’t make yourself look stupid by saying anything other than “extra players”. the FO already had it played out in case Pat didnt work out.
Well, to quote yourself:
I dont think anyone can say with any authority what their real intentions for Pat were in the first place, but i think Sabes was hoping he’d return to form with SF and gave him the opportunity to do so.
It worked, but that process reeks of small-sample size madness, which has turned out poorly more often than not. Well, Sabean might call it “good scouting” or something, and there may be something to that. I don’t know. At any rate – it looks upon first glance like Sabean just closed his eyes and wished really, really hard that Burrell would return to form and, this time, it worked. It may be that he had reasons to believe that, and they were based on information (from scouts, etc) that we didn’t have. I don’t know. But that process shouldn’t be repeated too often.
Then again, a World Series victory covers many sins. Go get ’em, Sabes, you little goofball!
/chucks Sabean on the chin
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
by Ott on Nov 8, 2010 7:07 PM PST up reply actions
yep. half of me thinks Sabes just “closed his eyes and wished upon a star” and the other half found out after he was released that Pat didn’t like DH’ing and felt that he could do much better if playing in the field.
it’s not a process that should be relied upon for success, however, in light of his recent success in doing this, here’s to hoping his luck continues since he won’t change his ways.
by giant4life83 on Nov 8, 2010 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
Just to reiterate, I was talking about how I was mad that they signed him and that they started him his second game up. THAT WAS WHERE THE MAD ENDED.
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
"Things I never thought I'd see #47783: Schwarzenegger applauding Ryan Rohlinger" -- Your mother, Nov. 3, 2010.
by kdl on Nov 8, 2010 5:52 PM PST up reply actions
IT NEVER ENDS
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2010 5:55 PM PST up reply actions
HIS ZUCCHINI IS JEALOUS
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
"Things I never thought I'd see #47783: Schwarzenegger applauding Ryan Rohlinger" -- Your mother, Nov. 3, 2010.
by kdl on Nov 8, 2010 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
/sad trombone
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2010 5:59 PM PST up reply actions
I HAVE A LOT OF HAPPY!!
A LOT!!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2010 6:02 PM PST up reply actions
A REALLY LARGE AMOUNT OF HAPPY!!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2010 6:03 PM PST up reply actions
DENIED
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions
Hey, nice sig
It nicely combines mild wit with even milder wit.
after getting swept in oakland
I said that this team could never make a run at the playoffs with Bochy as manager and we might as well fire him and see what Wotus can do.
After the Wilson blow save against Colorado with Cody Ross taking a bad route to the ball, I said the season was over and that we should just start all the kids, go home and that playoffs were yet again just a dream.
I think i said something similar after the Kershaw one hitter game, and we were pretty much unstoppable after that.
I was at the game against Colorado when Wilson blew that save. It’s hard to fault Ross on that line drive off a broken bat. Despite the bat shattering, that ball was lined really hard and fooled everyone in the stadium.
i thought it had something to do with the ‘controversial’ maple bats, in that they dont act like other bats (they would shatter on balls that were are squared up), but someone said the bat was just like the rest of them.
it was just a freak occurence.
by giant4life83 on Nov 8, 2010 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
I wanted Burrell but not Huff, but everything about Huff changed me.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
ooh
It’s fun reading the GRM comments in these old posts.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces strained obliques
by Giant among Angels on Nov 8, 2010 5:01 PM PST reply actions
Oh dear
My first Giants game of the season was opening night against the Braves. I live in Reno, so the night before I drove down I attended the Aces vs. Grizzlies in Reno. The battery that night was Bumgarner and Posey. What I saw next was shocking.
Bumgarners line: 3 IP, 11 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 2BB
Posey: 2/4, 2 K, 1 RBI
I left the stadium that night absent the swagger I had whilst entering. It may or may not be important to note that Posey’s two singles were both unimpressive seeing eye singles.
The next night at AT&T I was explaining to my girl friend just how disappointed I was with what I saw, mainly concerning Bumgarner. Unknown to me at the time, several people directly in front of me were also from Reno, and had also attended the aforementioned sporting contest. After coming to an agreement that, yes, Bumgarner is awful, our observation went viral and soon our whole section was discussing how our once promising prospect was flamming out.
And the rest is history. And I’m pretty sure I’m not allowed within 500 feet of the stadium.
by JSing on Nov 8, 2010 5:01 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Uh oh
According to Enrique Rojas of ESPNDeportes.com, Edgar Renteria is willing to move to second base.
VERSATILITY
" TAKE ME BACK"
Don't Trade Monta
Bush is on Fire!
Huff likes it raw
by JohnnyDangerously on Nov 8, 2010 5:41 PM PST up reply actions
we're good at 2nd base w/ Freddy and Fontenot (and in a pinch, De Rosa)
but, Rent could be a useful bench utility type guy if he could play 2nd base (and maybe 3rd base)
"There was no torture in the end. Only rapture." - Mike Krukow
2010 Giants: World Series Champs
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 8, 2010 5:52 PM PST up reply actions
KDL and I had a ritual to ensure Giants victories
It obviously worked and supersedes any bad prediction I may have made on this site. =)
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2010 5:04 PM PST reply actions
pics or you are really GRM sock puppet
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 8, 2010 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
Your Lars Bias Is Obviously Standing In The Way Of The Truth
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2010 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
Nice Subject Line
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
"Things I never thought I'd see #47783: Schwarzenegger applauding Ryan Rohlinger" -- Your mother, Nov. 3, 2010.
by kdl on Nov 8, 2010 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks. I work out. =p
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2010 5:16 PM PST up reply actions
TWSS
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
"Things I never thought I'd see #47783: Schwarzenegger applauding Ryan Rohlinger" -- Your mother, Nov. 3, 2010.
by kdl on Nov 8, 2010 5:17 PM PST up reply actions
Don’t make me flex my subject line. I wouldn’t want you to faint! =p
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2010 5:19 PM PST up reply actions
It's been fun scouring the McCovery Chronicles this past year...however...
did anyone here happen to look at any other sites on the night of our World Series win? I looked at Purple Row, Athletics Nation and Lone Star Ball only. They were, as you might guess, decidedly against the Giants. Were there any other blog sites that were on our side or impartial?
I checked (and still check) LL everyday
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
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Same here
Love those guys
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
I was delighted by Pinstripe Alley. I guess when you have 27 championships
you can appear to be magnanimous and charitable with comments towards other teams.
Really? I’ve got to go check them out.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
Two of my favorites from Pinstripe Alley during the WS
During game one: “Forget Cliff Lee, let’s sign this Freddy Sanchez character.”
After game five: “Well, what do we do now?” “Buy the San Francisco Giants.”
"My father's name is art, and my name's pride, and while my destiny reads a recipe for confusion I'm looking for whoever writes, so empty inside." -Slug
SANCHEZ 4 CANO
GITRDUN
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
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no thanks. i like my skinny, silly little animated 2B too much.
one of my old high school baseball buddies said Freddy totally reminds him of me, how he stomps off after a K like an angry little kid, lol.
Keep Freddy!!
by giant4life83 on Nov 8, 2010 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
LOL No
As much as I love mole I’d trade for Cano in a heartbeat.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
i know, Cano is vastly superior, but…
im attached to freddy. love that little guy
by giant4life83 on Nov 8, 2010 10:57 PM PST up reply actions
It may be that the "stomping"
is just the way he was taught to walk, after being born with the foot problems. I remember we always wondered why he seemed to place his feet so deliberately, even when running all-out, and it must be the early training, don’t you think?
by mrs. owlcroft on Nov 8, 2010 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
yeah i heard about his early troubles, not sure of the overall effect training as a youth has on his walking. ive seen him jog out to/from his position a million times, and he seems to be ‘normal’ (if there is such a thing), so im inclined to believe he’s just another character on this team.
but when you consider how animated he is in all other facets of the game (that huge O face on Huffs HR in Game 4 WS) it may just be that Freddy is just an animated, lovable little guy.
by giant4life83 on Nov 8, 2010 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
also
he looks like a bird in the batter’s box
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--Daisy Owl
I have no regrets
WORLD SERIES HERE WE COME!!!!!!!!
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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by groug on Jan 12, 2010 12:15 PM PST reply actions
I knew that Aubrey Huff would save us.
You doubt me? Fine, here’s another taste.
THE STEALTH REBUILD IS OVER
WORLD SERIES HERE WE COME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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by groug on Jan 12, 2010 6:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
No sarcasm there! Just pure grade-A knowledge about the future.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
I’m thinking ESPN has an opening for a Sunday night gig…
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2010 5:27 PM PST up reply actions
I would like to subscribe to the Grougthink newsletter
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 8, 2010 5:53 PM PST up reply actions
I heard you need McC Premium for that.
Guess I’m out…
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Not a post, but
after the all star break, I second guessed Bochy 42,371 times, and I was wrong 53,455 of those times.
I’m still watching the series replays on MLB Network and sitting on the edge of my seat, fearing that the outcome will somehow change.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
I really didn't like the Aubrey Huff signing
Just an example:
One-year contracts are very rarely "bad" but they can be pointless and wasteful. I’m pretty sure the Huff deal fills the bill there.
My community projection for Huff--Yeah....
Huff will have one of his patented horrible starts, gets benched by the start of May and the Gnats impose a round-robin at first base starting with Bowker, then Sandoval, then DeRosa and eventually settling on Ishikawa to end the season.
AB: 250
AVG: .245
OBP: .305
SLG: 385
HR: 7
I am the adopted son of Willie...Willie McCovey.
On the other hand,
I believe I was the first person to request adding Brandon Belt to the community prospect list ballot. So I got that going for me.
I am the adopted son of Willie...Willie McCovey.
i hope that kid turns out to be all we think he will be. saw a few AFL clips, and he looked skinnyish for a potential MLB player with power
He found this a couple of months ago and hasn’t been heard from since
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
TWIN PEAKS
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Look at my website. Look at it. || I had some other text here but then the San Francisco Giants won the World Series
The way I see it
We are making these predictions using the results of the previously completed seasons, rather than the results of the upcoming one. So, our predictions are bound to be off by some. We’re using the wrong data, everyone!
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
If you don't stop being rational . . .
I’ll send the gallinas to your house to peck your cerebrum out from the backside.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Nov 8, 2010 11:34 PM PST up reply actions
Irrational Dirtbag Love
Seriously. wtf? I am not really a fan of Torres, and I don’t dislike him, but Bowker needs to be in there. It has gotten to the point where it is just silly that he isn’t playing. This infuriates me.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP’s
by Giant among Angels on May 11, 2010 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2010/5/11/1467966/giants-padres-series-preview#37293237
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces strained obliques
by Giant among Angels on Nov 8, 2010 5:33 PM PST reply actions
Oh man
I was in favor of a Bowker/Scott/Schierholtz OF while Freddy wasa gone having DeRosa play 2B and Rent at SS.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Remember when this happened..
That was awesome..
the best of many excellent photos
Carlos Avila Gonzalez= my hero.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 8, 2010 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
Velez looks like Michael Jackson from Thriller
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Nov 8, 2010 10:58 PM PST up reply actions
anyone ever notice how Velez is kinda like Waldo, in that he always seems to be popping up randomly in game pictures or live game feed? like, he won’t even be in the game, but he’s always in the background with a blank look on his face or something. then he gets hit in the forehead with a foul ball, its like, only you, Velez… only you.
I’d like to meet that guy. i wonder what he’s like.
by giant4life83 on Nov 8, 2010 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
Tres Agaves. Midnight. Tomorrow. Bring cash.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Nov 8, 2010 11:36 PM PST up reply actions
I win
I said nothing worth retracting because I never write anything remotely related to the actual playing of baseball.
The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!
which is why
you have found a perfect home on teh interwebs!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 8, 2010 5:35 PM PST up reply actions
I’m just here for the Simpsons references.
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I’m here for the drunk karaoke during pre/post-game threads
"It is not enough that we win; all others must lose" -Larry Ellison
I’m here for lunch. And the acute observations.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Nov 8, 2010 11:39 PM PST up reply actions
We need to learn a new song. That one by Queen? How does that go again??
Oh yeah:
We are the CHAMPIONS my friends…
Green Day did an awesome cover of it, youtube it. Green Day at Reading, PA show. ‘green reading champions’ are the search terms.
its dope.
by giant4life83 on Nov 8, 2010 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
I’m pretty sure Green Day has never done anything awesome. Ever.
Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!
by jhiat00 on Nov 9, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Maybe not lately, but ever is wrong.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
UR NOT THE BOSS OF WHAT I'M HYPERBOLIC ABOUT!
Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!
Only because I haven’t hired you yet.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2010 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
No I like them. They have John Frusciante and Flea. Oh and the drummer who looks like Will Ferrell.
Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!
Frusciante actually left the band, last i heard they were doing another album with Dave Navarro.
Chad Smith is the drummer who looks like Ferrell.
i’d have to say BloodSugarSexMagik is my fav
I agree with your taste in music
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what do you think? song was written for us!!
I’ve paid my dues (im just a fan)
Time after time (54 years of no WS)
I’ve done my sentence (tortured)
But committed no crime (after all, I’m just a fan)
And bad mistakes (zito and rowand)
I’ve made a few (ha, try 30mil worth)
I’ve had my share of sand kicked in my face, (cancelled 2002)
But I’ve come through (2010 Giants!!)
We are, we are, we are, we are (MCC)
We Are The Champions (SF Giants)
by giant4life83 on Nov 8, 2010 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
High Five!
Same here. Though i vaguely remember jinxing us in a game thread once…. /shudders
"It is not enough that we win; all others must lose" -Larry Ellison
I was trying to find my incredibad predictions. But I think the offseason depressed me so much that I didn’t even post here until September.
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Nov 8, 2010 5:37 PM PST reply actions
That and being 12 hours different time zone. But I think I can’t find terribad predictions because I’m just never wrong.
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Nov 8, 2010 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
okay, dinner talk, y'all
I made beef with broccoli.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
tomato soup
BBQ tofu
garlic bread
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 8, 2010 5:41 PM PST up reply actions
great minds
and humble educators eat alike!
Your soup is probably better because the tomatoes were probably better in the first place. Ours seemed to be hothouse-type.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 8, 2010 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
Steamed jasmine rice
sauteed onions and bell pepper
teriyaki chicken
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces strained obliques
by Giant among Angels on Nov 8, 2010 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
ooh, and add some jalapeños, too.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces strained obliques
by Giant among Angels on Nov 8, 2010 6:00 PM PST up reply actions
I’m more of a serrano or habanero fan, but still, mmm.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
The wife doesn’t like habanero’s. We usually use jalapeños or yellow chilis. Serranos are excellent as well.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces strained obliques
by Giant among Angels on Nov 8, 2010 6:07 PM PST up reply actions
How did the bells turn out. I have always had trouble with those.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces strained obliques
by Giant among Angels on Nov 8, 2010 6:13 PM PST up reply actions
I call them pepperoncinis. I didn’t even know the term “banana pepper” existed until about a year ago.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
Wait, I think I’m confusing one thing with something else.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
Or wait… stupid brain.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
You can pickle banana peppers and
have something akin to pepperoncini, if you like them really spicy. We got about 48 peppers this year (all bells except for 6 Anaheims) but they didn’t have time to turn red/yellow/orange before the frosts were imminent.
by mrs. owlcroft on Nov 8, 2010 10:58 PM PST up reply actions
For a second there I thought you said
“This year I grew BALLS…”
"It is not enough that we win; all others must lose" -Larry Ellison
It takes balls to watch Giants torture?
/ducks
"It is not enough that we win; all others must lose" -Larry Ellison
Not yet you don’t young padawan. But in time you will.
"It is not enough that we win; all others must lose" -Larry Ellison
mine are still hidden above from the playoffs. ill let you know when they drop.
by giant4life83 on Nov 8, 2010 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
I might eat a mushroom.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 6:14 PM PST up reply actions
hobbitheyscored
for elevensies?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 8, 2010 7:24 PM PST up reply actions
Actually, I had half a mushroom. But it was tasty.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 8:23 PM PST up reply actions
becareful with those things. you gotta do them with a clear mind, cause if they turn on you…
an old college roommate of mine ended up in the psych ward after freaking out.
by giant4life83 on Nov 8, 2010 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
It was a portobello, you guys.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
Try grilling a portobello
then sprinkling the gill side with just a tiny bit of balsamic vinegar and melting some blue cheese in it. Yummy!
by mrs. owlcroft on Nov 8, 2010 10:59 PM PST up reply actions
portobello? I always preferred button mushroom or whatever they’re called. Easier to eat and not as chewy
"It is not enough that we win; all others must lose" -Larry Ellison
Portobello is roughly 18x more delicious than standard grocery story white mushrooms. I could give you more exact numbers, but I already turned off my science machines for the night.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 11:52 PM PST up reply actions
I could give you more exact spellings too, but my brain is also already turned off for the night.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 11:53 PM PST up reply actions
beware the flys with battery packs!!
oh, a portobello? no fun
by giant4life83 on Nov 8, 2010 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
Clark Kerr had pancit and adobo.
:)
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
/jealous
Foothill gets shafted with no quantity and no quality.
Somewhere in the minor leagues, Joe Paterson is pitching.
Pizza.
I'm still in the old thread.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Nov 8, 2010 8:30 PM PST up reply actions
Just the same ol’ Bungles. Which is too bad, because they have some good talent there.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions
I downloaded the winning postseason games from iTunes and have been re-watching
Cody Ross just hit an awesome no-outs double against the Phillies in Game 4 with the Giants down 4-3 in the bottom of the 6th.
Still awesome the second time around!
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Last I checked, our clinching game was the ONLY one not available on iTunes. :(
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
The Giants didn’t actually make the playoffs.
LOL NL WEST
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Wait until next year.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Nov 8, 2010 11:44 PM PST up reply actions
I set my DVR to tape Game 5 just in case they won. The recording ends right as Brian Wilson is staring in for the last pitch. WTF.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Our Comcast dvr is ridiculous, it does shit like that all the time. We now set it to record at least 30 minutes past the time. We’d dvr Big Bang Theory and not have the last 3 minutes of the show. Uh-noying
ProTip
Comcast: fucking terrible.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
yeah, we have no “window” for directv… damn nature growing and stuff. I think when we move that’ll be the first thing the Mr. looks for in a house: Can I get directv?
all you need is a clear view of the southern sky!
If you have a yard you can put the dish on a tripod, it doesn’t just have to be on the house/unit.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 8, 2010 7:26 PM PST up reply actions
the only float booed at the parade!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 8, 2010 7:25 PM PST up reply actions
And now Sandoval just gave us the lead with a kick-ass at bat and a kick-ass double. Actually, he probably hit two doubles in that at bat, but one was called foul.
I really hope he can lose some weight and rebound next year. Then, next year, we can have a thread like this but about people giving up on Pablo, and I can be like, “Suck it suckers! I defended him!”
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
Still on Team Panda!
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2010 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
OP
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2010 5:57 PM PST up reply actions
It kind of amazes me that so many people are ready to declare he is, and always will be, totally worthless.
I mean, so far, he’s played 2.5 years. 0.5 years of being very good, 1 year of being great, and 1 very disappointing year. And even in that disappointing year, he was pretty much league average. C’mon, guys.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
What? I haven’t seen one person who has said something like that.
Though I was in favor of benching him for the defensive upgrade in the playoffs.
by kingofthacove on Nov 9, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t think it’s so common here, but I’ve seen it a lot in real life.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
I hold out hope for Panda 2.0 – but I was also someone who wanted Uribe/Rent on the left side of the infield throughout the playoffs and I’m pleased that’s what we had.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 9, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
The only thing about the playoff run that I felt less than wonderful about was that Sandoval was given so few opportunities, even to pinch hit. There was one game where Bochy pinch hit in Rowand with one out and the bases loaded, a classic “just make contact and run like hell” scenario. And he looked at his bench. And he saw a guy who makes nothing but contact and a guy who makes less contact than anybody else on the team, and he thought, “Yeah, I should go with that second guy.”
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
I forgot to mention that Rowand, predictably, struck out there.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
NLDS Game 4, right? IIRC, tie game, loaded with 1 out, he sent up Rowand instead of the GIDP machine that Pablo had been at the time. I’d rather have Rowand strike out than risk Pablo hitting into a DP.
That said, I look forward to 2011 and what it brings for pablo. I never really got off Team Pablo, but during the playoffs I just didnt feel comfortable with him starting. He didn’t seem to slow the game down in the sense he let it get to fast on him, and he rushed plays and ABs.
I’d rather have a ball in play than a guaranteed strike out. You never know when Brooks Conrad will Brooks Conrad one of those pesky ground balls. It’s a contact only situation. You risk the double play on any batted ball. But you have to take that risk. You just have to. Because you absolutely need that batted ball.
Letting Rowand strike out because you’re afraid of not scoring is backward thinking.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2010 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
I’m actually not sure if Conrad was playing in that game, but it’s fun to verb him.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
*
Actually I think Conrad did pinch hit in that game, so “didn’t play” s/b “didn’t play in the field.”
conrad PH in the 9th, and K'd, iirc
yeah Conrad was out after Game 3 i think. anyhow, you’ve got a LHP on the mound, Venters, iirc, and that would switch Pablo to the right side.
I’d take a Rowand over a RH hitting Pablo at that point. The idea is to put up a good AB, and sadly, at that point Rowand would be putting up the better AB
The idea is to make contact.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
which, vs a LH pitcher, Rowand is more likely to do than Pablo.
If it were a RH pitcher, then you go with Pablo
I don’t think that’s true. Pablo has great contact numbers. Rowand is terrible. I could be wrong, and maybe there is a funky platoon contact split, but I need to see it in graph form if I’m going to change my tune.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2010 10:43 PM PST up reply actions
i wouldnt even know where to find a graph of something like that, maybe B-R?
by giant4life83 on Nov 9, 2010 11:35 PM PST up reply actions
I would say vs a LH pitcher, Rowand is more likely to make contact vs a 2010 RH Pablo.
I can look up their splits vs LH pitching to get an idea of BA. Remember, though, Rowand is not a bad hitter against LH pitching, its just the RH pitching that he has failed so miserably against
by giant4life83 on Nov 9, 2010 11:37 PM PST up reply actions
Well, as a rough measure…
For his career, Pablo strikes out about 12% of the time against lefties. In 2010, that number was about 16%.
For his career, Rowand strikes out about 19% of the time against lefties. In 2010, that number was about 14%.
Sample size applies to both 2010 samples, of course. I’m not sure where to find contact numbers.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 10, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
so it sounds like Pablo/Rowand is a wash (rowands slight edge is ever so slight), but Pablos GIDP #s, his lesser speed, and his numbers hitting with the bases loaded (1-7, 2K, .286 SLG), factored with the slight edge Rowand has over him in less overall K’s, probably makes Rowand the better choice, but by so little that it’s still mostly a wash.
Also, Ross was up next :)
by giant4life83 on Nov 10, 2010 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
Verbing weirds language.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Verbing awesomes language.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2010 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
Awesoming languages weird verbs.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 10, 2010 8:34 AM PST up reply actions
That whats she said!
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 10, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
Neither did I.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
DOUBLE
No.
DOUBLE
Yes!
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Blech
Came out bad.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Here, just link to it!
Some Thoughts On Game 4 Of The NLCS
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 21, 2010 12:25 AM PDT in Game Recaps
That guy is awesome.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
Never turn your back on a Kung-Fu Panda. And never give up on Pablo.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 8, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe he should consider liposuction.
Then again, I don’t know if that’s cheating or not.
Warning, angry Giants fan on the loose.
heh
Edgar Renteria just came up. At this point, he was batting .091 in the NLCS.
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I don't put much out there
Mainly because I have no fucking idea. But I did move to Camp Panda from Camp Fontenot, only to take a bullet for my troubles.
Little did anyone know the answer was Camp Renteria y Uribe.
One of my favorites was a GDT against the Dbacks where about 40 people were saying that we should trade MadBum for Reynolds.
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
I can’t stop myself from pronouncing that in Jar-Jar Binks’ voice.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2010 5:57 PM PST up reply actions
Could not believe today that it’s only been a week since Game 5. Crazy.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
ive been watching condensed games in my spare time to get my baseball fix.
i didnt tape any playoff games because i taped a regular season game once, and we lost.
by giant4life83 on Nov 8, 2010 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t like condensed games. Even after you put the water back in, their never really the same.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
Oof, they’re.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
they microwave well. water? that’s old school!!
by giant4life83 on Nov 8, 2010 11:08 PM PST up reply actions
Interesting
The Chiba Lotte Marines are posting the Pacific League’s most recent batting champion, according to Tim Kurkjian of ESPN The Magazine. The Marines are posting Tsuyoshi Nishioka this week and teams in the market for middle infielders will surely take notice; the 26-year-old switch hitter can play second and short.
Nishioka batted .346 with 22 steals and more hits (206) than any Pacific Leaguer since Ichiro Suzuki. ESPN analyst Bobby Valentine, who managed Nishioka in Japan, says he thinks the infielder has the tools to be "an outstanding shortstop," but suggests most organizations will consider him a second baseman.
Teams will soon be able to place bids for Nishioka through a blind auction. The organization with the winning bid will have 30 days of exclusive negotiating rights to reach a deal.
The free agent market for second basemen and shortstops is relatively thin and the trade market offers few alternatives. It appears that Japanese shortstop Hiroyuki Nakajima will not be posted, though he hasn’t given up on playing in the major leagues in 2011.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
Ah here it is:
NAGOYA, Japan — The Chiba Lotte Marines defeated the Chunichi Dragons 8-7 Sunday to win the Japan Series in seven games. Lotte won the series four games to two with one tie for its first championship since the team was managed by American Bobby Valentine in 2005.
/picture of Valentine in ridiculous disguise
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2010 6:01 PM PST up reply actions
What Americans know about Japanese baseball
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
because I'm me
When I saw “Nishioka,” I immediately thought of this guy.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
this is the guy the Giants were rumored to be interested in, right?
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
So they think he's a SS?
Or they’d move Sanchez to SS? Or 3B? /sad Panda
I’m down.
He needs to stay at SS for it to be worthwhile though.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
was buried in a Hank Schulman notebook during the series I think, was also another similar article somewhere that pretty much said the same exact thing. Here is the fanshot BruteSentiment posted
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
It's illegal
for any U.S. team to have had more than one Tsuyoshi on the team in the same century.
by mrs. owlcroft on Nov 8, 2010 6:56 PM PST up reply actions
Thank god Shinjo played for us in 2002, not 2000, or we’d be in for a never ending debate on what constitutes a century.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
OH NO YOU DIDN'T
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
this might make sense for us
FA shortstop market is thin… just hope that one way or another the Giants international scouts did their homework
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 8, 2010 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
I'd go pretty hard after him
Young guy, just 26. Won’t hit your socks off (career .293/.364/.426) but good enough for the SS position. Our coast is probably an attraction for an asian player.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Back in September, I wrote the following. Let's hope it doesn't become completely true.
Giants win pennant and sweep to a World Series win. . .
. . . in part because they seem to follow FanBlog advice, specifically the advice given on The McCovey Chronicles. In the days after the championship, both Bochy and Sabean sarcastically declare on national media that the turning point was when they began reading and believing the posts of "the Cove guys," though in private they called us "fuckwads" and "gays" and never realized that many are in fact "gals."
Nonetheless, the National media, eager for crackpot pundits to spout publicly about stories of the moment, seize upon this notoriety and cluelessly solicit a variety of posters to give opinions in print, on radio, and on soundstage.
Sports Illustrated hires Grant to become their West Coast Voice in the magazine and occasional on-screen presence for the new SI-USA channel. After a few months he is "re-assigned" because he makes too many arcane references in his articles and cuts too small a figure on the screen. "Viewers," say the survey analysts, "give his sarcasm too much credibility."
Goofus accepts frequent invitations to give phone commentary on morning zoo talk shows around the country and is briefly popular for his references to his "best friend and frequent consultant," which all understand to be his penis. This amuses the 12-25 suburban audience for a month, at which point the calls stop as suddenly as they started. Alya Sinchee’s vagina has become much more interesting.
Alex_Lewis becomes spokesfigure for the National Zucchini Advisory Board, until they realize that the many faces on the Zucchini have not been trademarked, at which point they drop Alex and keep the characters, daring him to get legal with them and their team of Philadelphia lawyers.
November in San Francisco. Local interest in this grass roots influence on the World Champion Giants is at its height given that the 49ers and Raiders have each won two games and lost over ten. Talk on the sports shows focuses on whether those teams should listen to amateur clowns rather than lifelong professionals. In order to find out "what exactly happened" back in September, KQED, in an attempt to appear contemporary, arranges a gathering of cognoscenti to analyze "the role of the fanblog in sports today."
On stage live at the Herbst, a panel will discuss this new force in sports. Michael Krasny agrees to moderate for both TV and radio. George Will agrees to sit, as do Ken Burns, Roger Angell, Ken Auletta, and Jim Bouton.
Unfortunately, Grant is still dreaming of national stardom and is in Atlanta. Goofus is busy playing with himself, jponry has to grade papers, Natto demands actual money to appear, Howie insists on an uninterrupted closing speech, and the other people with official titles simply can’t be reached, if they exist at all. So KQED invites owlcroft and BondsLegend. Both agree.
The evening starts calmly enough with an introductory survey of the issue by Krasny. Auletta then speaks for a few minutes about the historical evolution of media in America and how it always changes in ways the mainstream can’t predict. He gives thoughtful examples regarding the early "reporting" mission of radio news that subsequently yielded to its role in "shaping public opinion." Angell speaks of meeting Babe Ruth and advising him to lay off the fast ball "nipples up, and the Babe had some substantial nipples." Will natters on about how things aren’t like they used to be, and Bouton offers some illustrative anecdotes about various great and ungreat players who were assholes or alcoholics or both, but were admired by fans. Bouton continues by wondering if the public is better served by unverifiable information on the internet published by unaccountable fans rather than by honest reporters who simply omit negatives because they must work with the players regularly.
His bowtie and eyebrows wiggling in unison, George Will then praises the old indicators: BA’s and RBI’s. "Over time, these play out. And we can’t forget this thing called ‘heart.’ " Krasny turns to owlcroft, who is wiggling in his seat. "Do you agree with Mr. Will?"
The following is from the official transcript.
oc: I do not. You’re a fossil, Will. If "heart" were valuable, Don Hoak would be in the Hall. You’d have traded Chuck Klein for Carl Reynolds.
GW: I’d have traded anything for Reynolds. He fought Bill Dickey.
oc: Yes, and Elio Chacon fought Willie Mays. It doesn’t make him great. You’d have rejected Albert Belle as a player because you reject his manners. Did you bring your straw hat, Mr. Will?
MK: Mr. Legend?
BL: GODDAM GUILLEN SHOULD BE HITTING IN THAT SLOT. AND WHAT THE FUCK? WHY ISN’T TORREZ IN CENTER FOR THE WHOLE GAME? WHAT GENIUSES ARE IN CHARGE HERE. WILL, YOU’RE A MORON. OWL, I DON’T KNOW WHO YOU’RE TALKING TO.
oc: Whom.
BL: FUCK YOU. WHY STAY SO LONG WITH ZITO?
RA: I like Zito. He’s a clever lefty.
BL: FUCK CLEVER. CHRIS RAY IS A CLEVER RIGHTY. I GOT YOUR CLEVER RIGHT HERE.
MK: (to crowd) Thank you for coming. If you’d like to meet the panelists, please wait in the lobby. They will be there to sign or to talk in about twenty minutes.
Ken Burns: I think I understand.
(egress all)
He is the World’s Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Sep 25, 2010 7:30 PM PDT reply actions 12 recs
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Nov 8, 2010 5:59 PM PST reply actions 14 recs
tl;dnr
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 8, 2010 6:00 PM PST up reply actions
This was awesome then. It’s still awesome now.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 8, 2010 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
We should give this exactly 12 recs.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
lulz
Is it rec-whoring if you include the rec total from the original post when you re-post?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 8, 2010 7:28 PM PST up reply actions
Only one more to go!
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
still funny
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I missed this the first time and I will be nearly eternally grateful for you posting this here, now.
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Nov 8, 2010 8:20 PM PST up reply actions
Likewise.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
by Ott on Nov 8, 2010 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
I'll label myself a one-eyed optimist and continue to be happy...
…yet humbled enough to not throw around “I-told-you-so” comments. I had enough public doubts here like anyone else that I have little to no room to scoff.
Being wrong never felt so good, eh, gentleMcCoven? (is that an appropriate blanket term for all the guys and non-guys that post here?)
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
I think the proper gender neutral form of address
is “you idiots”.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
“you fucking idiots’ . . . at least in my neighborhood.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Nov 8, 2010 11:56 PM PST up reply actions
Bingo!
My buddies and I have a Giants email group, I wrote this on may 19th.
I was thinking about how much better Gerald Posey would be than our mediocre catchers. I found some hope in the good book:
“And the lord spoke unto Moses, ‘The man child shall be called upon to replace the graying backstop. In the six month of the year 5770, in order to obtain Super Two status, he shall arrive. Whereas his predecessors refused to walk, he shall take many, not unlike the Hebrews leaving the land of Mitzryim. And he shall also hit for power…’”
Leviticus 22:22
I don’t think I’m on the record about anything particularly dumb-looking. If I didn’t write anything it’s not for lack of thinking it, though. I didn’t think Huff would be a big deal, despite thinking he would bounce back some offensively. I was cautious about Burrell, but certainly not opposed to the signing.
The Lopez trade was the major one that threw me. His numbers seemed so pedestrian, and I remember him flaming out kinda brutally in Boston. Javier Lopez is the clear cut winner of the semiannual Randy Winn Mid-season Acquisition Award for making me say “Holy shit, that’s not what that looked like in the catalog.”
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
That should be a real award. And it is also an excellent analogy. Randy Winn and Javier Lopez – peas in an unanticipated pod.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
by Ott on Nov 8, 2010 7:29 PM PST up reply actions
he missed Free Agency by like 4-6 days or something. so we get him cheap for another year, woohoo!!
then we should sign him for the rest of his life. what a weapon he is, and he proved he can pitch to RH hitters too if there is a RH break between two leftys, like in PHI
by giant4life83 on Nov 8, 2010 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
I seem to have been measured in my comments
This one turned out differnt:
In the TWSS! thread
This team
will eventually get us in the end.
In the Giving Sabean Credit thread
Credit
Let’s see how the offense shakes out in the next 90 games before we start anointing BS the coveted "average GM" title.
His cheap moves have paid big dividends, and his big moves have been dog shit. All his moves were rightfully panned (with the possible exceptions of the Juan Uribe and Pat Burrell aquisitions).
I admit, he is looking pretty reasonable right now, but he still has time for guys to cool off and make some dopey trade.
TEMPORARY SIG AWAITING FINAL SABEAN APOCALYPSE
-——
PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game in development
by zenbitz on Jun 21, 2010 12:14 PM PDT reply actions
Turns out this one was on the pessimisitic side
In this thread be-careful-what-you-ask-for
Bad Offense
is still Bad.
No matter who you bench or what order you bat them in.
Even Anointed Savior Buster Posey won’t make this offense average.
NL average wOBA is ca. .330. Giants is .315. Note this includes pitchers…. so assuming our pitchers will hit a league average .175 wOBA (note: they are currently hitting .110!) the rest of the lineup has to put up a .340.
Guys hitting over .340:
Andres Torres
Edgar Renteria
Huff/Ishikawa
Nate Churros
Guys within spitting range of .340
Sandoval
Uribe
Sucks:
Molina
Very Sucks:
Rowand
Bowker
DeRosa
Sanchez
I left off Whiteside/Downs/Velez because they are not likely to get more that sporadic PAs. Downs is probably not better long term than De Rosa or Sanchez.
No matter how you slice it you have:
1) Only 2 OFs carrying their weight
2) Panda not performing to expectations
No one hitting well enough to counteract the dead weight in the order
by zenbitz on May 26, 2010 11:00 AM PDT reply actions
OK, I bored. I bet I made numerous comments mocking the the Giants offense and GM. Thing is, It happened.
Brian Sabean: Greatest GM in the history of history
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game totally stalled and basically dead at this point
bah format fail
Brian Sabean: Greatest GM in the history of history
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game totally stalled and basically dead at this point
wheeeeeeeeeeee
Rumor has it the Yankees will offer Jeter a 3-year deal in the range of $15-$20 million per year.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
PER YEAR?!!
they must be hoping that milestone he’s about to hit pays his salary in revenue
by giant4life83 on Nov 8, 2010 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
Cal Band great...
prepared to march in the WS parade on 1.5 days’ notice.
We got essentially front-row seats for the rally, and were probably only 100 feet away from Aubrey Huff when he pulled the rally thong out of his pants.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
OT - ELEVASIAN SENSASIAN
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
Freakin' Canada
Land of Faux Hawx and hater-ade
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
by slackersphere17 on Nov 8, 2010 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
From a chat log with my friend
me: "With Huff, DeRosa, Sandoval, Uribe, and Sanchez, Bruce Bochy has a lot of guys who can play different positions. This means that Bochy is free to play games with “the hot hand” and craft lineups that are based in a player’s six-at-bat history against a particular pitcher. It’s going to be awful."
we’re made up of utilitymen!
friend: WOOT.
me: http://www.fangraphs.com/comparison.aspx?playerid=1213&playerid2=6319&playerid3=&position=3BDH&page=8&type=full
garko v huff
LOL GIANTS
friend: Your team is so awesome.
me: we’re paying 2 million more for essentially the same production
garko probably would’ve been better
since he’s a righty
Somewhere in the minor leagues, Joe Paterson is pitching.
Continued into November....
friend: SHUT THE EFFFFFFFF UP!
me(you): That reminds me, Bumgarner is soooo good! Did you Know the Giants had a guy named Wellemeyer as the Fifth guy over my little country bumpkin! ZOMG!
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
by slackersphere17 on Nov 8, 2010 8:11 PM PST up reply actions
LOL!
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Nov 8, 2010 8:13 PM PST up reply actions
More gems
me: WAIT WHAT
the giants are talking to Burrell about a AAA deal
0_0
what
oh god
watch them sign him, and then bochy trots him out there everyday
see you later, nate, bowker
we hardly knew ya
friend: YEAH
considering he’s downgrading leagues
expect a 120+ OPS
And Pat did post a 119 OPS+ combined for 2010.
Somewhere in the minor leagues, Joe Paterson is pitching.
At one point I had to step back from the ledge...
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2010/5/24/1485671/what-can-we-do-as-fans
Somebody please tell me the future is brighter, because after hitting .144 over the last 5 losses, I want to pull my hair out. I don’t know how much longer I can see Rowand retired on 2 pitches or Molina only get to first on a ground rule double. There’s no good free agents out there either. If Dye or Burrell are added, we will still suck. Nothing makes me optimistic right now, which is sad for a team with 4 Cy Young candidates.
LOL i <3 ME
If Burrell is added, we will still suck!
That’s why Sabean is in the drivers seat!
Bill James projections are out
Some notables:
Aubrey Huff: .269/.348/.453
Juan Uribe: .253/.307/.434
Pat Burrell: .237/.351/.443
Pablo Sandoval: .308/.363/.492
Cody Ross: .265/.321/.444
Carl Crawford: .300/.350/.453
Jayson Werth: .275/.375/.493
They’re all up on players Fangraphs pages.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
god i hope pablo hits that next year
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I’m almost just hoping that he’s even on the major league team next year.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
he’s got his ultimatum, and he seemed to play better for a game or two after being benched this year (though that may have been pitchers just being stupid enough to throw him fastballs).
he WILL be in AAA if things don’t change, from what I gathered Sabean saying
by giant4life83 on Nov 8, 2010 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
yo how’s ya doin Monta? what’s the status of your back?
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
how are you feeling after that fall tonight?
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
That projection is almost exactly in line with his career walk rate…
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
so this was pretty much a breakout year for Huff
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
I wouldn’t say that. He walked more often than he ever did before, but he’s brought similar value a few times in the past. He’s a good player.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 8:30 PM PST up reply actions
Yea… considerably better than he was last year, wonder what spurred his walk rate, just patience?
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Maybe he just really dislikes Dunston.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 8:33 PM PST up reply actions
haha, that could be the case, Dunston is poo
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
I would almost think he walks less with Buster batting behind him. Then again, I actually saw the Phils walk Huff to get to Posey with a LHP on the mound, so who knows
by giant4life83 on Nov 8, 2010 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
He’s a good player.
Except for 2000, 2001, 2005, 2006, 2007, and 2009.
I’m not entirely sure what to make of him, really.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
Speaking offensively:
Eh… 2000 and 2001 were his first two seasons in the league, and he wasn’t really bad in either 2006 or 2007. I mean, if his entire career was made up of 2002, 2003, 2004, 2008, and 2010s, I wouldn’t be calling him a good player. I’d be calling him a great player. His bat has rarely been below average, and it’s occasionally been elite. I’d call that a good player.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
That was pretty offenisve
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
by slackersphere17 on Nov 8, 2010 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
howie's a repeat offender
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 9, 2010 6:42 AM PST up reply actions
he seemed to play better when he was happy, this year, for whatever that’s worth. 2010 wasn’t about stats to him, it was about the team, so maybe that loosened him up.
by giant4life83 on Nov 8, 2010 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
Those are impressive stats for Pablo, very average for Huff, and Cody
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
You forgot one
Buster Posey: .308/.370/.506 w/ 21 HRs
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
by Ott on Nov 8, 2010 9:17 PM PST up reply actions
Oof.
I’m significantly more bearish on Buster, but I’d love to be wrong.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I’m more goatish on Buster.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
I'm more sheepish on Buster
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
Follow me: Twitter.com/gobroks
Porcine . . .
on Posey.
/turns to faceoff fangirls/
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Nov 9, 2010 12:02 AM PST up reply actions
Has this entire post of Grant’s and the ensuing comments taught you nothing?
Pessimism, reason, rational assumptions – a Jedi craves not these things.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
by Ott on Nov 8, 2010 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
Yes please
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Mmmm Pablo Sandoval…
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
well, COL wavied him off (pun intended) so he’s right up our alley.
wasn’t Sabes actually looking at picking him up instead of Ross? and Hawpe went to TB?
by giant4life83 on Nov 8, 2010 11:17 PM PST up reply actions
not sure if sabes was looking at him before, but i think he would have more upside than pat to be honest… i guess pat’s a great locker room presence, and i only after this year have realized what locker room chemistry does for a team
after watching the giants me and steph are best friends because i want to have good chemistry with my teammates
that’s fantastic. I’m still close with all of my teammates from over the years- we had a Giants-type atmosphere, but with a whole lot more losing, hahha.
teammate relationships last forever.
by giant4life83 on Nov 8, 2010 11:32 PM PST up reply actions
Shift-A cuz i can
Hello everyone
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Hi.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
Hello Pika
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Nov 8, 2010 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
SUP PIKA
I'm still in the old thread.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Nov 8, 2010 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
Lookin at what peeps been sayin here on this forum of late
and damn, lots of talk about food!
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
I ate my food and now I’m turning it into poop.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
THAT IS PRETTY INTERESTING, never knew about the process really
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
You put food in one hole, and it comes out another hole. What’s there to know?
"It is not enough that we win; all others must lose" -Larry Ellison
Technically, you can put it in either hole and have it come out the same one. If you want to put it in one hole and have it come out the other, you have to be more picky, though.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 8:42 PM PST up reply actions
Dude, that might be too much information
but that is pretty interesting to know Howie, you teach this stuff to your students?
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
I don’t have students yet.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 8:46 PM PST up reply actions
Wonder why.... with that kinda material
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
You put it in. It goes down a tube. Lands in a pot of stuff that melts it down a bit. Goes through some more tubes that takes the useful stuff out. Then comes out another hole where the sun don’t shine. So yep. One continuous hole in your body.
SCIENCE!
"It is not enough that we win; all others must lose" -Larry Ellison
The sun is perfectly capable of shining there.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 8:47 PM PST up reply actions
If the sun is out, that’s one possibility.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 8:49 PM PST up reply actions
Does the Sun ever shine on Ocean Beach?
"It is not enough that we win; all others must lose" -Larry Ellison
Yes?
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
/blinks
You realize it’s foggy there like all year around right?
"It is not enough that we win; all others must lose" -Larry Ellison
Yes?
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 8:53 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, that was taken the day the Giants won the World Series?
"It is not enough that we win; all others must lose" -Larry Ellison
I’m not crazy. I SWEAR! I saw the troph and EVERYTHING. I t was shiny
"It is not enough that we win; all others must lose" -Larry Ellison
/sits back with notepad . . . tilts head . . . “tell me more” . . ./
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Nov 9, 2010 12:07 AM PST up reply actions
LOL, I don’t know. I’ve had the threads open whenever there’s a new one, but I haven’t been reading.
I'm still in the old thread.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Nov 8, 2010 8:39 PM PST up reply actions
Grant's been a busy bee here, there's a new thread every day
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Eh, yeah. I’ve been pretty busy, too. Not as much time for the interwebs aside from twitter and tumblr.
I'm still in the old thread.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Nov 8, 2010 8:43 PM PST up reply actions
Whatever you do, don’t look behind you.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
uh oh... i don't like those words...
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
HAHAHAHA
I'm still in the old thread.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Nov 8, 2010 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
Also. Tomorrow. Expect a high five.
I'm still in the old thread.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Nov 8, 2010 8:44 PM PST up reply actions
/lotions hands.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 8:47 PM PST up reply actions
Because they’ve been really, really dry lately, I mean.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 8:47 PM PST up reply actions
And I find that to be embarrassing.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
mhm…of course that’s what you meant Howie. We believe you buddy
"It is not enough that we win; all others must lose" -Larry Ellison
No, it’s true.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 8:50 PM PST up reply actions
Cool.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
Yep
/puts a glove on before shaking Howie’s hand
"It is not enough that we win; all others must lose" -Larry Ellison
Like your hands don’t get dry sometimes.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 8:53 PM PST up reply actions
They do, but the callouses help me not form blisters when swinging the bat around. I was serious when I said I knew what you were talking about. It’s just that it would be a bit counter-productive for me to try and…not have dry skin.
"It is not enough that we win; all others must lose" -Larry Ellison
Wooooooooow.
Well, okay, then.
I mean, I was gonna try to stalk you last Tuesday and give you a high five cause of the Giants’ victory, but I got too busy with homework and stuff, so I’m going to stalk you tomorrow, but then you said that.
I'm still in the old thread.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Nov 8, 2010 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
You see, I’m also skilled in anti-stalking techniques.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 9:00 PM PST up reply actions
At least, that’s what you think.
I'm still in the old thread.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Nov 8, 2010 9:02 PM PST up reply actions
Yo
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
It seems that this year alone, in at least 63 different posts I referred to Brian Sabean and/or Bruce Bocy as:
Idiots
Fucking idiots
Dumber than a bag of hammers
Inept fucking idiots
Etc.
Etc.
And my favorite:
Bochy tries, he really tries, but in the end he’s just a fucking idiot. Not really his fault. Blame the even bigger fucking idiots who keep him around.
by Sabean’s_Folly on Apr 18, 2010 4:57 PM PDT on Post-Game Thread: Unkempt, dreadlocked hobo makes children cry on McCovey Chronicles
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
NO WAY!!! YOU SAID THAT??!?! YOUR USERNAME LEADS ME TO BELIEVE OTHERWISE
by giant4life83 on Nov 8, 2010 10:36 PM PST up reply actions
Yet . . .
in each case, he had valid reasons. Yet I noticed no attempt to distance himself from his statements.
I admire that.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Nov 9, 2010 12:12 AM PST up reply actions
Zzzzzzz
OKay…. moving on now… let’s talk about Free Agent and Off Season already! Let the Dynasty Begin!!!
Not bloody likely.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Nov 9, 2010 12:12 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks for the input!
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 9, 2010 7:59 AM PST up reply actions
mcc should organize competition on predictions of Giants' performance for next season
winners get badges on their avatars, or shiny stickers, or at least bragging rights…
Proud adopted parent of the ball dudes, who have grounded into 109 fewer double plays than the Giants.
OT: Bengals fans are absolutely stupid
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Wait...
Terrell Owens’s middle name is Eldorado? Ferreals?
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 8:56 PM PST up reply actions
YEZZIR!!! apparently that's what they think here
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Okay, well I have to go write some stuff about Yasunari Kawabata. Lates.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
good deal, let me know how it goes!
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Frankly, I think I should probably eventually read the longer stuff that got him the Nobel and everything. These palm-of-the-hand stories that we were assigned, though, are not up my alley.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 9:02 PM PST up reply actions
Joey Votto GIF
Anyone have the gif of Javier Lopez befuddling Joey Votto. I was pretty down on the Lopez trade, but that one swing made me it seem like it was all worth it.
"Pablo Sandoval, coming around third like a runaway beer truck." - Kruk
LOL VOTTO
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 8, 2010 10:00 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
I like Buster’s reaction. It’s not one of those enthusiastic strikeout-throw-to-third moments. It’s almost like he feels bad that he was even a part of making somebody looks so foolish. “I guess I have to throw it to third now… poor guy.”
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
"Javi, you dick..."
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
by slackersphere17 on Nov 8, 2010 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
I think Votto may have hurt himself on the swing, too.
Just as the pic cuts away, you can see him out a hand on his side. Was that the most ridiculous swinging third strike this year?
by mrs. owlcroft on Nov 8, 2010 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
I believe Aaron Rowand holds the “Most Ridiculous Swinging Third Strike” award
"It is not enough that we win; all others must lose" -Larry Ellison
Aaron Rowand holds the “Most Ridiculous Swinging Third Strike” award only because he’s been nominated so many times.
/accumulated points
by giant4life83 on Nov 8, 2010 11:11 PM PST up reply actions
That was one of the worst swings i've ever seen
very close to the Vlad swing during game 4 vs. MadBum
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
OT: Jon Miller Got Fired By ESPN
Probably already mentioned, but WTF?
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
by slackersphere17 on Nov 8, 2010 10:04 PM PST reply actions
“Wait, he’s a Hall-of-Fame broadcaster now? We don’t need that kind of high-class trash cluttering our airwaves.”
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
Enter: Dennis Miller, Tony Kornheiser, and Frank Gifford!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 9, 2010 6:45 AM PST up reply actions
Not- renewed, but I don't see much of a difference
I guess not renewed is more of a proper sports term, but, still, they’re letting the guy go.
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
by slackersphere17 on Nov 8, 2010 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
He may well not have wanted to return but it sounds like he wasn’t offered to stay on, on the TV side, either.
I like Dan Shulman, but this isn’t going from Conan to Jimmy Fallon. I’d never confuse Shulman for Miller, but if ESPN’s intention is to go for a different feel with play-by-play — e.g., to appeal to a different generation — well then I don’t think Shulman is all that radically different stylistically from Miller. In fact, in some ways, I think Shulman even has a more old-schoolish straight man vibe than Jon.
If they’re simply promoting from within, then maybe it was just a case of mutually parting ways before familiarity bred contempt.
by non sequitur on Nov 8, 2010 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
makes sense. after all, what are the Giants without a misfit, castoff announcer too?
by giant4life83 on Nov 8, 2010 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
There is a vast difference. Perhaps they felt they could no longer afford his services or maybe he is tiring of the relentless travel… in either case, much different than canning a guy mid-contract.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 9, 2010 8:01 AM PST up reply actions
Collateral damage for firing Joe Morgan
It’s like NBA trades nowadays. Beyond the Lakers and Celtics, every team is all about clearing cap space. Joe Morgan is the cap space.
by Murray, Present on Nov 9, 2010 12:28 AM PST up reply actions
Anyone know if we get the traditional Sunday Night Baseball opener?
or will ESPN do Yanks/Sox because that’s all that matters?
I’m actually betting they do the Giants on the first SNB
I completely underestimated the performance Burrell put in this year.
I’m now officially off the “Let Pat leave” bandwagon. I want the Giants to sign him for $4-6 mil this offseason.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
Wait
There’s no space on the roster for him though.
This is one of those things that I bet I could argue with myself on for a really long time.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
like a smegol from Lord of the Rings type conversation?
by giant4life83 on Nov 8, 2010 11:11 PM PST up reply actions
No, I wouldn’t be as sophisticated as Smeagol.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
Silence of the Lambs type sophistocation?
by giant4life83 on Nov 8, 2010 11:19 PM PST up reply actions
actually, I see you as having a “One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest” type schizophrenic conversation.
by giant4life83 on Nov 8, 2010 11:21 PM PST up reply actions
Sounds about right.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
SHIFT A
SHUT UP ALL OF YOU IT’S TIME FOR CONAN
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, he's like Aubrey Huff, but can't hit as well or field his position.
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s ---
Bochy: WHO GIVES A SHIT? IT'S WHATEVER I SAY IT IS BECAUSE I WON A WORLD SERIES.
I wasnt impressed at all
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
meh
like the other network, but on a different network.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 9, 2010 6:47 AM PST up reply actions
It probably won’t happen, but Fontenot would be a good idea at shortstop. Lack of playing time, and moving around are not good for any player. The Cubs did not use him well. After a great year in ‘08, he was the starting second baseman in ’09, and then lost his job by being moved to third, a position at which he had no experience. He messed up once or twice, and then played pretty good defense, but his hitting took a hit. In 2010, he was again told he was the starting second baseman, but didn’t even start the first few games, and, thereafter, was platooned with Jeff Baker, who wasn’t hitting at all. When he was benched in May, he was hitting over .300, and was error-free. Ryan Theriot played over him, and was doing a lousy job, but the Cubs were showcasing him for a trade. Bochy made the comment that he was probably pretty rusty due to lack of playing time, so he knew what he was getting. Bochy is a saavy manager, and he may have plans for Mikey.
there’s a reason he wasn’t a starter for the Cubs
i wouldnt want his bat in the lineup every day. no power. not a great arm, what what people have been saying. and I know it’s SSS, but he made a whole lot of errors while with SF this year considering the actual opps he had. his fielding % has gotta be pretty low.
by giant4life83 on Nov 8, 2010 11:14 PM PST up reply actions
Fontenot has a career wOBA of .327 and wRC+ of 96. That would play just fine hitting-wise at the shortstop position- in fact, it would be quite good.
He’d need to bring his SS defense to at least 5 runs below average, but would be an asset as a starting shortstop if that were accomplished.
He shouldn’t be written off immediately for the starting lineup.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
there’s a reason he wasn’t a starter for the Cubs
Whats the reason? He’s basically a left handed Freddy Sanchez.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
no, he’s not. Freddy is a gold glove caliber fielder, Fontenot is not, not by a long shot.
Freddy has a batting title, fluky as it may be, he still hit .344 vs RH and LH pitching. Fontenot has been a platoon player all his career. Take a look at their splits, and you’ll see why Fontenot’s career OPS is a tick over .700
all great points.... if they were true
Freddy Sanchez career slash line-.298/.335/.414
Mike Fontenot career slash line-.270/.337/.411 (I’d say a career .749 OPS is more than “a tick over .700”)
Yes, Freddy was a batting champion…. 4 years ago. Unfortunately that means absolutely nothing at all about his current value. Do you really expect Freddy to come anywhere near a .344 batting average ever again? If so, why? If not, why use that as an argument? His batting average will probably be quite a bit better than Fontenot’s but thats pretty much meaningless because of Fontenot’s much better walk rate that produces a slightly higher OBP and their slugging %s are almost identical.
Freddy Sanchez career vs righties-.281/.318/.385
vs lefties-.350/.387/.500
Mike Fontenot career vs righties- .276/.345/.422
vs. lefties- .230/.284/.338
Yes Fontenot struggles a lot vs lefties, but Freddy isn’t really a very good hitter against righties. Because most pitchers in the league are right handed I think this is just another argument FOR Fontenot to be on the team not against him.
Freddy Sanchez career UZR/150 at 2B- 5.1
Mike Fontenot career UZR/150 at 2B- 7.4
Both are pretty great at 2B defensively. Yes, I’d prefer Freddy there, but I dont think its unreasonable to think that if Fontenot had BABIP’ed his way to a batting title playing for a miserable team and gained the All-Star label and Freddy was given the utility infielder handle and moved from position to position Fontenot might be the better defensive 2B right now.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
There are many things wrong with your argument and it is self-contradictive
No, I don’t expect Freddy to ever hit .344 again, but my point is that as a former batting champ, fluky as it may be, still means he can full-on hit.
Fonte is a dead pull hitter, Freddy has bat control and can spray the ball everywhere.
Freddys power > Fontenots power
Freddy vs RH pitching > Fontenot vs RH pitching. Not by much, but Fonte vs RH is supposed to be his strength, yet Freddy already has the edge. Then throw in the other half of their splits, and they are seperated by .120 in Freddys favor. Massive difference.
I’m not sure what to make of their career UZRs, because Freddy has shown to be a much more competent fielder than what I’ve seen on Fontenot, not to mention their fielding %s for this year alone and widely gapped. 2 errors for Freddy, like 10 for Fontenot.
Your argument was that Fontenot is essentially a LH Freddy, yet Freddy outperforms him in every statistic. Even Freddys RH splits are better than Fontenots RH splits, which is supposed to be the big advantage Fonte has over him.
again, most of that just isn't true
No, I don’t expect Freddy to ever hit .344 again, but my point is that as a former batting champ, fluky as it may be, still means he can full-on hit.
I still don’t really see how this means anything at all. I’m not arguing that Freddy Sanchez is a bad hitter, I’m just arguing that he’s never gonna hit anywhere near .344 ever again. Fontenot never has approached that level, but their career OBPs are almost identical, so why does the batting title factor in at all?
Freddys power > Fontenots power
Except their career slugging %s are almost identical. Yes Fontenot’s PAs have come mostly against RHP, but most pitchers are RH.
Freddy vs RH pitching > Fontenot vs RH pitching. Not by much, but Fonte vs RH is supposed to be his strength, yet Freddy already has the edge.
Thats not true in any way. I’ll post this again because it seems you missed it above.
Freddy vs RHP-281/.318/.385
Mike vs RHP-.276/.345/.422
At this point it seems like you’re pretty hung up on batting average. the .005 advantage Freddy has in batting average in completely meaningless when you consider his OBP and SLG% are both significantly lower. Mike Fontenot is the better hitter vs. RHP. Any argument that says otherwise is just flat out wrong. I get that Fontenot has been pretty miserable in his limited PAs against LHP. I get that Freddy completely rakes LHP and isn’t completely terrible vs RHP. But Freddy just isn’t better against RHP.
I’m not sure what to make of their career UZRs, because Freddy has shown to be a much more competent fielder than what I’ve seen on Fontenot, not to mention their fielding %s for this year alone and widely gapped. 2 errors for Freddy, like 10 for Fontenot.
I’m no stat expert but I do know fielding % is a very flawed statistic. Both guys looked great at 2B to me. A lot of Fontenot’s errors this year came playing away from his natural position of 2B.
Your argument was that Fontenot is essentially a LH Freddy, yet Freddy outperforms him in every statistic. Even Freddys RH splits are better than Fontenots RH splits, which is supposed to be the big advantage Fonte has over him.
Thats just not true.
My argument that Fontenot is basically a left-handed Freddy Sanchez was based on their extremely similar career slash lines and excellent fielding at 2B. That still holds true.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
Their extremely similar career slash lines have a huge benefit towards Fontenot as a platoon player
Fontenot’s career slash line is irrelevant because most of his career he has been a platoon player. And the slash line that Fontenot does have against LHP is horrible, while Freddy is the more balanced player.
So Freddy has the more balanced overall RH/LH slash line, is a better fielder, has better bat control (hits to all fields), has more power.
Fontenot has the higher walk rate.
ugh
Fontenot’s career slash line is irrelevant…
You couldve just stopped right there, because thats just gonna be wrong. Yes, he gets some benefit from facing a vast majority of RHP. However, the majority of MLB pitchers are RH. Yes he’d probably be a little worse if he faced more LHP, but we also don’t know that his terrible numbers vs. LHP aren’t in part a product of small sample size. If you wouldn’t dismiss a guy like John Bowker after 157 PAs why are you so quick to dismiss Fontenot vs lefties that way? Yes Freddy is probably the more balanced hitter vs RH and LH pitching, but because his splits are poorer vs RHP than Fontenot’s and because most pitchers are RH their total slash lines will even out a bit. I don’t know if you keep missing the fact that their slugging percentages are almost identical or what, but you keep insisting Freddy has more power when thats not really true. The numbers don’t really show that Freddy is a significantly better fielder than Fontenot at 2B. Yes, if I had to pick I’d want Freddy out there every day. I haven’t been arguing otherwise. But if Freddy comes anywhere close to earning his 6 million per why would you not want a younger, left handed, and slightly worse version of him for much, much cheaper than that on the bench?
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
I wrote a really long response, but just deleted it.
I thought you were arguing that Fontenot was a better player overall than Freddy, but I see in your post that you said you’d take Freddy any day over Fontenot. With that said, if Freddy comes close to earning his $6 million pay, then we’re seeing a very good Freddy for an entire year, and that is to our benefit.
Because Fontenot has been used as a platoon player all his career, I don’t think we know enough about him to consider him as a starter. His numbers vs LHP are pretty brutal, particularly AVG and SLG. On the flip side of that, I don’t think Fontenot is someone the Giants would consider as an upgrade to Freddy, and if Freddy is not with the team come 2012, I expect we will see a fresh face in the 2B slot, not Fontenot. But, we will see how it plays out.
I hope Freddy earns his $6 mil, cause that means we’ve got a solid player for 2011, one less position to worry about.
Doesn’t the fact that Fontenot’s home park for most of his career has been Wrigley Field affect the interpretation of the numbers? Font and Sanchez have nearly identical OPSes (.749 to .750) but Sanchez has a 97 OPS+ to Fontenot’s 92, which suggests park factors.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
eh, theriot was the better of the two, and that’s not saying much. honestly theriot might be a better fit for the giants, he has a lower K rate… they both are not vital though
It’s not probable that Fontenot will be able to make the necessary defensive adjustment to be a league average SS, but with so many midseason pickups this year, anything to alleviate the several logjams we have in the field would be appreciated. To give Fonty orders to work extensively at that position this offseason would be a worthwhile endeavor.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
it all depends on what SF does with Uribe
because if Uribe is signed, then you look at the options:
If pablo makes a return, you’ve got SS/3B/2B covered, with DeRosa as 3B/2B utility. Then you’d need a backup SS, which Renteria makes perfect sense for, esp if he can play 2B too. That way if Pablo goes down for a bit, then Rent/Uribe SS/3B, or Uribe/DeRosa SS/3B. If Uribe is signed, Fontenot becomes expendable.
I don’t think they go into the season with the full expectation that Fontenot can be an everyday SS, not when you consider the production they got from SS in 2010 and the difference in arm strength you get from Uribe/Rent to Fontenot
by giant4life83 on Nov 8, 2010 11:27 PM PST up reply actions
If Fontenot can play SS as well, there is no reason for Renteria to be signed in your scenario. Fontenot is under team control, younger, and similar in current value.
There really is no reason for the Giants not to work on Fontenot at SS, given that DeRosa is not capable of playing the position but is capable of playing 2B and 3B.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
Is Renteria’s arm really any better than Fontenot’s? It sure didn’t seem like it to me. Fontenot is younger, healthier and I would bet he’ll even be a little cheaper than Renteria. He’s also left handed (which makes him a nice fit to spell Freddy against righties occasionally) and I would think he’s likely to outhit Renteria. As a backup middle infielder I’d be very happy with Fontenot.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
Not one to wax poetic..
When the Giants won the World Series all I could think of was this quote from Almost Famous.
“They don’t even know what it is to be a fan. Y’know? To truly love some silly little piece of music, or some band, so much that it hurts.”
That’s how I feel about the Giants. I’m the guy posting the same depressed facebook status in game 74 loss as I did after the Ankiel game in the Braves series. And for them to win the World Series turned all those years hurt into pure unadulterated joy. Not sure why I posted this now. Maybe them winning just hit me.
/we no return to our regularly scheduled rosterbation programming
Thanks, DFA. I don’t think the winning has hit me even yet. During game 3 of the Braves series, I knew something different about this team. They could score 3 or 4 against anybody. And they could hold anybody to 1 or 2. I felt that it would come from unexpected sources. It did.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Nov 9, 2010 12:21 AM PST up reply actions
Well, I have not contributed enough to McC Ch to have left any clinkers here...
…however, in other forums, I guess that I could find a fair amount of wrong.
As a Fresno resident, I’m a big fan of the AAA team. In fact, since the AAA team had never broken my heart — and, in particular — had never broken my heart by blowing a 5-run lead in a deciding World Series game, I might have assigned more value to the success of the Grizzlies fan than to the success of the Giants.
Oh, was I upset earlier in the year when the Giants called Bumgarner and Posey up to the Show.
“Raidng our roster!”, I fumed. “And for what? We’re fighting with Sacramento for the right to get into the PCL playoffs, and we NEED those guys. What good are Bumgarner and Posey going to do for the Giants? The Giants are a lost cause anyway!”
Then too, I just chalked up the acquisition of Pat Burrell as more useless Sabeanish bottom-feeding, figuring on Burrell as another Garko, another Hillenbrand. But this was the year when the blind pig found an acorn. Found several acorns.
And John Bowker. Make no mistake about it, against AAA competition, Bowker is Ted Williams himself. And besides which, it was really cool to hear the Chukchansi Park PA system play “Bow Wow Wow” every time he came up to the plate.
And they traded him (and Joe Martinez) away for a goddamn situational left-handed reliever???? Where was the sense in that?
The Giants absolutely decimated the Fresno Grizzlies roster, causing them to blow a 12 1/2 game lead to Sacramento and costing them a PCL playoff spot. And what good did it do the Giants in the end?
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Nov 8, 2010 11:37 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Throws back head . . .
. . . and understands that it’s real.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Nov 9, 2010 12:23 AM PST up reply actions
found this in the open letter to renteria ........
lol!
more like “mr. october,” sabes.
"He'll need a rocket up his ass to catch that one .... that baby's out of here!"
I did find something good, apart from some Huff-whining in the preseason
from the day Posey was called up:
If this is all done simply to have someone on hand to take Bengie Molina’s job over the next few weeks, then I will tip my cap to Brian Sabean. THat would mean that they had a plan, saw that Molina had looked into the ark, and decided to sacrifice future financial considerations for WIN NOW.
WIN NOW is a trademark of satyricrash industries.
Just get the damn surgery, Mark DeRosa.
by oldjacket on May 29, 2010 1:29 PM EDT actions
I’m still kinda weirded out by the fact that Pat Burrell broke the story of Buster’s call-up.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
/tips cap to Sabes
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 9, 2010 8:07 AM PST up reply actions
I remember being convinced they wouldn’t trade or bench Bengie because of the PA-related incentives in his contract.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
me too, kinda
convinced they wouldn’t bench him, but that they couldn’t trade him because of said contract. I would say LOL Texas, but he was a freaking upgrade for them. That’s yet another surprising turn of events.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 9, 2010 6:52 AM PST up reply actions
I’m pretty sure I never thought that’d play into it (/waits for someone to prove me wrong after a 10-second search). I figured they’d never trade Bengie because they thought he was too important to the team.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
Well
I guess it’s more that I thought they’d never trade Bengie for the reason you stated and that, while he was a Giant, they’d never bench him because of the PA incentive.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I really wonder what Bochy would have done if Sabean hadn’t made that trade. There’s a nontrivial chance the Padres would be champs right now.
yes, and even more miraculously
Texas doesn’t go to its first world series!
I don’t know what Molina would have had to do to end up on the bench.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 9, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
i remember wanting Ted Lilly
so that way Madbum could be shut down before throwing too many innings. and i still love Todd Linden
Ignoring Tim Mccarver since 2002.
OT: Because it needs to be said again, LOLCOWBOYS, LOL JERRY JONES
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Shift-A: Don't know if it's been posted
Heyman’s list of 15 overrated and underrated FAs
From the worst list:
5. Jose Guillen. On top of the fact that he’s a nightmare in the clubhouse, he’s got an HGH investigation to worry about now.
I don’t think anyone is eager to sign Guillen right now…
8. Pat Burrell. He helped the Giants tremendously in the regular season but looked lost in the World Series. That’s a small sample size, but no one should be fooled by a good regular season to match his $8 million salary.
Definitely not worth $8 million…3-4 million maybe..
From the bargain list:
This intrigues me:
5. Hideki Matsui. Not sure how under-the-radar the 2009 World Series MVP can ever be, but while he didn’t have the best of seasons in Anaheim, he still has tremendous drive (word is, he made it a goal to hit higher than Derek Jeter, and he did beat Jeter, .274 to .270). Also quietly hit 21 home runs with 84 RBIs. Would never bet against him.
He made $6 million last year and is a clank on defense but his oWar was 2.4…
If both Burrell and Matsui ask for the same contract ($3-4 million)…I think I rather have Matsui…
Bad as Burrell is on defense
Matsui is worse. At least Burrell’s knees work.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
SCRAPPY
Underrated
8. David Eckstein. A two-time World Series champ, this all-time scrapper is a big plus for any clubhouse.
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 9, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
Shift A
I was on Team Fontenot.
Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!
The Conclusion of that first post is about dead on though…
Conclusion
…yet they still have a small chance of riding this pitching staff deep into the summer months. Unlkely? Maybe. Impossible? Nah. It’s a pretty sweet front of the rotation, and maybe the Giants will accidentally find some offense from an unexpected source. It’s a scenario worthy of spring fanboy optimism, at least, no matter how irrational. It’s not science fiction to think the Giants can contend, and even win the NL West. It’s just not as likely of a scenario as it should be.
Buster won over the nerd demographic
Internet Baseball Awards results:
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=12404
So much to own up to...
Starting here, and continuing here. Lots of tl;dnr. I can summarize with this:
I always thought the goal was to win the World Series. I just don’t see this happening with Sabean running things.
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
Of course, ultimately we all have to own up to only one thing: this championship was unexpected, almost completely unexpected, and none of us could have reasonably foreseen it.
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
This is an eye-opener
I don’t have the time of patience to search for my past injudicious remarks, but I do remember several incendiary comments back in the dog days of August where I stated that the Giants had no chance to make the playoffs, much less win the WS, so they should start to make trades and unload players with an eye towards competing in 2011 and 12. Boy, was I wrong.
The main reason for this post, though, is that I came across a thread started by xanthan right before the 2008 draft. In this thread all but 1 poster disparaged Buster and hoped that his reported $12M bonus demand didn’t make him fall to us. All I can say is thankfully John Barr and BS stuck to their guns, and thank the heavens that Buster really didn’t want Tampa Bay to pick him at #1.
Below is the link to the thread and selected posts. It’s short, so be sure to read it all. Some people just shouldn’t be trusted when it comes to talent evaluation and the draft.
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2008/6/5/546307/posey-dropping-because-of
LYLE: …if, as xanthan alludes, in fact KC or Baltimore had wanted Posey but now feels they can’t afford him, and instead takes our guy, Smoak. I, personally, would still want Gordon Beckham over Posey in that case, but I really think Smoak is the best choice for us at #5.
WCW: The problem is that, scuttlebutt has it, 2009 is not going to be a strong class. In that case, you want to pick and sign here. While I like Posey, I don’t like him $12M worth. But the thing is, he’s not the next perennial-All-Star catcher. He’s a good player, with good athleticism, and a good bat, but you can live without. I’d pick whichever on my board is available, pay slot + 10%, and be happy.
SoFa King Mike: Publicity Stunt Just like him playing all 9 positions. IMO, he wants to be drafted by a large market team, like Boston or New York. Sabean seems to have a fetish with catchers. Please, someone gag him and thow him in a locked broom closet today.
BaronVon: Yeah $12 mil is not going to push me towards the selection. I was iffy on Posey to begin with.
Tyrannoman: Gotta call BS on the $12 mil bonus. According to the outline provided by wcw, the Rays would be smart to draft him and offer him $5 mil. Then they could pull off the other shennanigans up there. I’m still hoping for Smoak.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
No one should be trusted when it comes to talent evaluation and the draft. Especially not a bunch of obsessive fans shooting the shit on the internet.
LOL
Even the vast majority of guys that get paid to evaluate draftees for a living don’t have a great track record – it’s all a crap-shoot.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Yep. It’s kind of amazing that we have such strong opinions about amateur players. Hopefully we’re all dimly aware, even while throwing ourselves down the stairs about a given draft pick, that we don’t really know what we’re talking about and it’s a crapshoot anyway.
this is why
I just generally stay away from the DRAFTRAGE stuff. Not only because projecting a player is a crapshoot for nerbs and for FO types, but because it’s so likely injury or just plain weird happenstance will mean the player taken, or the 500 or whatever not taken, may or may not ever make it anywhere.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 9, 2010 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think you’re getting into the spirit of mea culpa…
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 9, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
You're right
Allow me to issue a mea culpa because of that.
I merely wanted to point out that people weren’t going back far enough. We had some long-time Buster heretics posting openly on the McCoven that have never fully fessed up to it. The dirty blasphemers need to come clean now.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
On 9/25/09 I wrote this:
Mythical Firstbaseman comes from a place where quality of life matters more than money. The place he is from values a strong fanbase and an elite pitching staff. People there like to walk, and they want their players too do so as well. There are unicorns there too.
With Zito seeing unicorns earlier this year, I think I pretty much nailed this one.
Uhh... what just happened?
Ask me about my... Machine.
/auto-anti-defenestrates?
by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Nov 9, 2010 11:37 AM PST reply actions
also wrote this:
For better or worse
I’ve been calling him "Brain" for a little while now because I like the immature wordplay/irony of it. Also, he’s a fucktard. Now if somebody would just draw a cartoon of a brain kicking a tire…
I still contend that Sabean mostly stumbled into a Championship. But that’s January talk.
Uhh... what just happened?
Ask me about my... Machine.
/auto-anti-defenestrates?
by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Nov 9, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
Wow...the anger is strong with this one...
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;ylt=As95q4J4aigoS_VRGMm7asRvLYF?slug=jp-freeagenttracker110810
22. Juan Uribe, IF: Pop and ability to play all infield positions makes up for his status as foremost on-base suckhole among top players.
23. Aubrey Huff, 1B: Inconsistency makes anything beyond a one-year commitment too much
both ranked below:
15. Carlos Pena, 1B: Try to ignore the .196 average and absurd strikeouts. Pena hits for power, has tremendous plate discipline and is an asset at first base and in the clubhouse. Bargain shoppers: Meet this year’s blue-light special.
Do I see an internal contradiction in that sentence?
And below:
19. Orlando Hudson, 2B: At 32, he may be forced to take another one-year deal. Shame. Hudson is too good to be an annual mercenary.
and
18. Manny Ramirez, OF: He’s an unapologetic narcissist limited to DH duties. He also gets on base 40 percent of the time. If he’ll accept an 80 percent pay cut, he’s an excellent signing.
In Manny’s defense, he did hit .298/.409/.460 in 320 PAs last year…but I can totally see Manny taking a 80 percent paycut…it’s just the type of guy he is…
I wouldn’t bring up Manny’s defense if I were you, amirite?
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 9, 2010 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
Who cares where free agents are ranked though?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I want 10 minutes of my life back
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 9, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
padrea culpa
Hi Buster, just a reminder, you can’t hit at AT&T
(That’s why you’re going to leave SF as an FA)
Ehhhh, I don’t deserve a signature…
by sdchicken on Oct 3, 2010 3:47 PM PDT
Fuck you, Posey
Ehhhh, I don’t deserve a signature…
by sdchicken on Oct 3, 2010 3:48 PM PDT
More...
I’m super sad
But I love the Padres for taking it all the way to the last day.
Also, nothing changes the fact that the Giants are TERRIBLE. They are not as good as the Padres. They will get destroyed in the first round of the playoffs.
NYC padres fan.
by Clemenko on Oct 3, 2010 4:17 PM PDT
AL Gold Glove Winners
Catcher: Joe Mauer, Twins
First base: Mark Teixeira, Yankees
Second base: Robinson Cano, Yankees
Third base: Evan Longoria, Rays
Shortstop: Derek Jeter, Yankees
Outfield: Carl Crawford, Rays
Outfield: Ichiro Suzuki, Mariners
Outfield: Franklin Gutierrez, Mariners
Pitcher: Mark Buehrle, White Sox
Jeetah.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
GlobeChadFinn Chad Finn
by ARevill
Jeter’s newest Gold Glove trophy will have considerably better range than he does.
by Natto on Nov 9, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
lol Jeter
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
the other choices don’t seem bad though.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Yep. Though Upton is better than Crawford, so it’s a little weird … Do they always give a separate award for each outfield position, or do they give it to two or three centerfielders sometimes?
Guys who hit .230 don’t win Gold Gloves.
You’d think maybe the GG voters would wonder why the .230 hitters were in the lineup if they couldn’t hit and couldn’t play defense either.
how do you “quote” someones text? like how you have the “guys who hit .230 dont win GG” with the grey background?
are you hitting the little icons above the text box? there’s on for bold, one for italic, on for strikethrough, one for
quotes, a link, and one for posting images.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
I don’t watch a lot of AL baseball, but I wonder how many of Buehrle’s votes were influenced by that play he made on Opening Day.
He did win it last year too. He’s a very good defensive pitcher.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I guess this is as good time as ever to bring this up (regarding Crawford)
i’d trade my left nut he won’t see free agency if he’s with tampa at the end of the year
by locutus on Nov 9, 2009 4:35 PM PST up actions
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
I think they just use the same ballots every year
MLB cost-cutting
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 9, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
Jeetah.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2010 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
Nice
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces strained obliques
by Giant among Angels on Nov 9, 2010 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
But... Only 6 Erruhz!!
And besides, Fielding Runs Above Average doesn’t factor in Calm Eyes Quotient.
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
Those bars are lying!
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 10, 2010 8:58 AM PST up reply actions
The thong turned this analysis upside-down
Huff is a black hole in the middle of the batting order; a power hitter who doesn’t hit for power. Huff is where rallies go to die. And his defense is so awful that he has to be replaced late in close games by an even worse hitter to man the cleanup spot in the order.
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
It's not letting me filter my comments by date in the power search
But here are some gems I remember:
- Pablo will have an MVP caliber season and hit for higher than a 1.000 OPS
- The Giants will finish with 85 wins and third in the division
- Mark DeRosa will be a useful addition
- Freddy Sanchez was a stupid acquisition
- Juan Uribe won’t be nearly as good as last year
- Gahhhhh why Aubrey Huff and not Adam LaRoche!?!?!?
- NICK JOHNSON!!!! OBP!!!!
- Aaron Rowand is still a useful player
Anyone use MLB At-Bat? Got some questions...
so I’m gonna have some downtime at the FD at times next season, and I’ve been doing some research on paying the $100 or so bucks and getting the Giants games on my iPhone, but they say that the games will be blacked out since I’m within the SF area?
Any way around that? or am I missing something here?
No way around it
The app uses GPS to determine where you’re at and whether or not the games will be blacked out for you. I actually did get a lot of use out of the mlb.tv on my iphone this year because I watched a ton of Padres and Rockies games on it. The MLB At-Bat app itself sans mlb.tv login is still great and gives you video highlights a few minutes after they happen.
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you're gonna see some serious shit!
-Doc Brown, Zito fan
is there any other form of watching the games either on my phone or laptop (other than illegal streams)? is there a CSNBA TV app or feed that I can pay for to stream it through my phone or laptop? i know im kinda grasping at straws now, hahha
i have CSNBA at home (but won’t be home for 3 days straight every week) so I’m trying to figure out a way to be able to stay tuned into the games in my downtime without resorting to radio.
slingbox?
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you're gonna see some serious shit!
-Doc Brown, Zito fan
by jordanovich on Nov 9, 2010 6:45 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
ill google slingbox and see what i find
by giant4life83 on Nov 9, 2010 11:38 PM PST up reply actions
ooo thats some cool technology. $250 plus probably monthy charges for the wireless transmissions from a glance. I’ll look into it more but that sounds interesting.
thanks for the info
by giant4life83 on Nov 9, 2010 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
yeah i just skimmed over it real quick and bookmarked it, looked like something that would be a monthly charge for sending the tv signal transmissions (some kind of airwaves/FCC charge) but I guess not. Sweet.
by giant4life83 on Nov 10, 2010 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
now that you say that, it does ring a bell, but I honestly never would have thought of Flemming/Slingbox if you hadn’t said anything.
If it’s good enough for Dave, its good enough for me!!
by giant4life83 on Nov 10, 2010 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
I got plenty wrong this season too
But got the one thing right that matters most: The Giants with this rotation will win a World Series Series championship, and they did. With this great defense – pitching and fielding – the 2010’s will be known as the Decade of the Giants.
- Thought Pablo would continue hitting (but who can predict a divorce, child custody battle, and mother near death)
- Thought Torres would get exposed (but who knew he actually changed his batting philosophy over one year)
- Thought Wellemeyer would be adequate most of the season, thus MadBum would relieve like K-Rod for us in playoffs (but he just sucked…)
- Thought Renteria would have a great season (but at least he had post-season)
- Thought they would keep Molina (but in fairness, Sabean never did that before, trade someone like that)
- Thought Posey would be mostly playing 1B this season, with 2 starts/week catching
- Thought Affeldt would have a great season (not like 2009, but good; not what he did…)
- Thought Bochy was not the manager to lead us to World Series Championship (but he never showed this ruthlessness before this season, you need to step on a lot of egos to win it all, and he finally did)
- Thought Timmy was a machine that could churn out Cy Young seasons one after another (I think he can start again in 2011)
I wish people would stop complaining about the offense, though. When the pitching is this good, you don’t need much of an offense to win a division.
Adoptive parental unit of Ehire Adrianza.
Godfather of Travis Ishikawa.
"Be a lot of happy" - Juan Uribe
"We deserve this" Sabean
"Not here to make friends, I'm here to win games" - Bruce Bochy
Q: "This doesn't happen every year." Posey: "Why not?"
"Do it again Baby!" Huff
"Let's get back to work and make another run at it" Posey
2010's will be known as "Decade of the Giants"
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Nov 9, 2010 4:55 PM PST reply actions
You don't absolutely need much of an offense to win a division
It does, however, really help.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
You don’t absolutely need much of an offense to win adivision
World Series!!
by giant4life83 on Nov 9, 2010 11:41 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, hi.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 9, 2010 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
There's one thing I just noticed
is that Zito and Rowands contracts may turn out to be a blessing in disguise. Rowand comes off the books in 2012, when Cain will hit FA and need a new contract. Zito comes off the books in 2013 when Timmy (along with Sanchez and I think Wilson) will hit FA and need a new contract.
With the two combined $30mil albatross contracts preventing SF from opening up the checkbook on a 4-5 year committment for, say, a Crawford type player that would run through 2015 (which would take $15mil a year away from SF for a declining player in their 30s by that time), we will have the extra funds it will require to retain Timmeh, Cain and others.
So basically, signing those payroll-sucking big deals prevents us from engaging in another big deal, freeing up the money for our pitchers who we will want to keep.
I’m sure someone has already said this at some point, but if not, there we go.
I got plenty wrong, but this is what I got most wrong
It wasn’t in writing on this blog or anywhere else, but it was a conversation I had with my wife sometime in August.
Wife: “So are the Giants still in it? Are they going to make the playoffs?”
Me: "No. They’re just not good enough. They have good pitchers, but they just don’t hit nearly enough. And lately, they’re not even pitching.
“I just don’t think they’ll catch the Padres. Best we can hope for is maybe the wild card.”
I was pretty wrong. As you may have heard, the San Francisco Giants are the 2010 World Series champions.
Yes, I am an Old Blue. Now get off my lawn.
everyone says “ooh, if the padres hadn’t choked you wouldn’t even be in the playoffs”, totally forgetting that we still would have been tied with ATL for the WC spot and forced to play a one-game playoff in ATL, then IF we won that, we’d have to play PHI in the NLDS.
And also if the Pads hadn’t folded, think about this- we only would have had to play that one-game playoff in ATL because, why? Phil Cuzzi.
by giant4life83 on Nov 10, 2010 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
LET IT GO
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 10, 2010 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
nah, im done with the Phil Cuzzi thing.
I’ve been over that ever since we got into the playoffs.
You guys are misinterpreting what I said. How can I be mad about that when we won the World Series? maybe if Phil Cuzzi makes the right call, we don’t win the WS either. Butterfly effect, who knows?
by giant4life83 on Nov 11, 2010 2:13 AM PST up reply actions
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